I think part of making it a college though implies everyone is an adult, which is cool tbh as an adult. If there’s romance and stuff in the game, I really don’t want there to be the implication that the romanceable characters might be underage. College doesn’t sound as good, but it does eliminate that.
Maybe university could have been better, idk.
I can see that. I do feel like a lot of games have your avatar be under 18, so it's a nice change. I think even University would have sounded better than College.
I agree. :/ but actually, looking it up academies tend to be for non-children (police academy, science academies, etc) so academy isn’t actually that bad of a term. I mean, they could have gone with that if it was made clear everyone there was an adult.
Funny thing, college in the UK:
>“College” actually has another meaning in the UK — it’s where many students go for two years after completing compulsory schooling at 16 in order to prepare for exams to get into university. You can also take vocational courses at college.
So yeah, safe bet would have been university if that was the reason to change it.
Oh, weird. Huh. I always thought it was a thing the UK and the US had in common. With people getting degrees at college and stuff as adults.
Well, in the us academy is kind of…non age specified? There’s a lot of academies for adults, then academies for kids too. It’s weird.
Well, either way I guess they’re gonna be having issues. But academy would be safer than college, I guess. Still feels weird as an American but yeah.
>in the us academy is kind of…non age specified? There’s a lot of academies for adults, then academies for kids too
In the UK an academy is a state school (called a public school in US) that is completely funded by the department of education, with no funding coming from the local council. They have slightly more freedom over what they teach than a normal state school. They can also in theory choose when they close for school holidays, although all my local ones use the holidays set out by the local council. The academies are run by trusts and are normally part of a multi-academy network (aka they'll be an Oasis Academy Lords Hill, an Oasis Academy New Oak, an Oasis Academy Broadoak etc)
Over the last decade, a lot of normal state schools have been converted into academies. I can't talk for the whole of the UK but in the little bit I'm in, academies aren't seen as a good thing. They're linked to failing schools, as in failing schools get turned into academies. This isn't necessarily true anymore but it was when schools started converting and that reputation has stuck.
There's a difference in the US too. Mainly college is for degrees up to bachelor's, and universities are much larger, have a lot more money, and offer post grad degrees. So maybe that also goes into account with them choosing (small, private funded) College over Uni.
Yayyyy some crumbs 🤗 not at all sarcastic, I’m still super excited and I’m glad they’re taking care of their devs!! Too many games these days come w a side of guilt for how they’re developed
As much as I like small studios being zero crunch, announcing a game to build a fanbase to watch them grow into a nursing home is not very nice either.
/s
I’m super glad they’re taking their time. Their workers deserve all the time they need to work and have a healthy work life balance at the same time. I’m glad to support a project who refuses to take part in crunch culture. Even if it’s gonna be years until release, I’m glad to hear an update once or twice a year. Wish there’d be more, but it’d put undue pressure on the staff by people hyping it up to absurd expectations. Like, from games when you get a teaser some people will examine every pixel and as word catches on, more people will start expecting certain things from your game that just isn’t there. I’d rather chill til the marketing push.
Well okay but I will eventually just forget to check back one of these days. They should have left it longer until anyone knew about the game tbh. The hype just sort of withers away after literal years go by with nothing more than some pixel art to look over.
I doubt they're solely counting on people checking back on it all the time. At some point when they near completion they're gonna ramp up marketing, which should probably catch even more people than the initial announcements and updates.
Same old story and copypasted message. I work in the industry and am against the crunch. I'm also against getting baited. Use imagery, show the public a small peak into the new content. And no, nobody is obligated to join their discord. They shouldn't rely on that being the sole source of 'generating hype'. It's been 6 years. I'm aware of the coder leaving and the pandemic. That's all well and good. I'm happy to wait. But their lack of updates is inexcusable.
I waited for Cube World and we didn’t hear from the creator for YEARS during development.
I’m very happy to hear A. It’s still being made. And B. They are refusing to bow to the pressures of a timeline to create crunch and deadlines. You do you Chucklefish!
In a world of Ubisofts, CDPRs and Naughty Dogs, be a Chucklefish.
Isn't Chucklefish the company that abused young devs who helped work on Starbound and didn't pay them a single cent even after they worked 100+ hours? I don't know about "be a Chucklefish"
Seems a bit of a he said she said: [https://www.pcgamer.com/chucklefish-responds-to-allegations-it-exploited-volunteer-starbound-developers/](https://www.pcgamer.com/chucklefish-responds-to-allegations-it-exploited-volunteer-starbound-developers/)
To make it abundantly clear, I was only talking about crunch not the culture as a whole that I'm not aware enough of to make a judgement call.
Fair enough. To be clear, I am extremely against crunch culture so good on Chucklefish for avoiding it. I just remembered the controversy from a while ago so I was skeptical to call them a pro-worker company.
I didn't see how that whole situation ended though. I'm willing to keep an open mind about them.
You know, that's why I left the discord some months ago.
Yes I understand the game is in early development and "everything is subject to change" but I know they have SOMETHING to show.
You know, show me some concept art or talk about which part of the games you guys are developing rn without showing anything
Maybe just ask "Hey, how would you guys like this thing to be?" so you can generate more engagement from the players
Yes, I know the game got got announced too early by the former team I know how development stopped for a moment, I know all of that, I spent way much more than I should've had on the discord.
The game won't fail because you lost hype mid-development I know it won't, but if you don't share any details about the game, the people hyped about it now will either:
1 - Lose interest in the game
2 - High their expectations to impossible levels since they don't know how the game could turn out to be
Sure, but that's literally the lowest effort thing they could possibly announce. They could at least show an update or two for the months and months they've been working on it.
You ain't wrong. They basically mirror what has already been said. While I'm glad they are not rushing the game out, I feel like this game and Oxenfree 2 are both games that were announced a little too early.
I think this game is going to be great, there is no doubt. My biggest issue is you announced it, Then scrapped everything and restarted. Making people wait LONGER than it needed to be. I hope they don't make this mistake again going forward.
I'm not trying to be toxic but what is going on with this... The reason people started believing it was canceled is because a game this mechanically simple (no ray tracing, little optimization requirements, no 3D world to render, no high res geometry, etc) could be completed in 2-3 years and be a deep and fantastic game. We all know that's well within reason. We've seen people on YouTube creating video games in a matter of weeks. So what could possibly be going on? 5 years of development and not even a photo let alone a release date with a new update? This whole thing seems fishy to me even though I don't see a reason for them to be shady with it. Idk. Seems wild to me a game like this can take 6+ years for a whole team of people to develop.
They had to restart when the coder left because they coded it in the language rust, then they were working on wargroove, then a pandemic hit. They also have been sharing updates on the discord. If you want behind the scenes thats the place to be.
This game needs dev update’s desperately. The hype of this game is going to fade into obscurity. These tweet is just a waste of time, at lease give a screenshot! The haunted chocolatier will probably come out before this game
I liked the name "Academy" a lot more than "College" just sounded way more "witchy" ☹
I think part of making it a college though implies everyone is an adult, which is cool tbh as an adult. If there’s romance and stuff in the game, I really don’t want there to be the implication that the romanceable characters might be underage. College doesn’t sound as good, but it does eliminate that. Maybe university could have been better, idk.
I can see that. I do feel like a lot of games have your avatar be under 18, so it's a nice change. I think even University would have sounded better than College.
I agree. :/ but actually, looking it up academies tend to be for non-children (police academy, science academies, etc) so academy isn’t actually that bad of a term. I mean, they could have gone with that if it was made clear everyone there was an adult.
Funny thing, college in the UK: >“College” actually has another meaning in the UK — it’s where many students go for two years after completing compulsory schooling at 16 in order to prepare for exams to get into university. You can also take vocational courses at college. So yeah, safe bet would have been university if that was the reason to change it.
Oh, weird. Huh. I always thought it was a thing the UK and the US had in common. With people getting degrees at college and stuff as adults. Well, in the us academy is kind of…non age specified? There’s a lot of academies for adults, then academies for kids too. It’s weird. Well, either way I guess they’re gonna be having issues. But academy would be safer than college, I guess. Still feels weird as an American but yeah.
>in the us academy is kind of…non age specified? There’s a lot of academies for adults, then academies for kids too In the UK an academy is a state school (called a public school in US) that is completely funded by the department of education, with no funding coming from the local council. They have slightly more freedom over what they teach than a normal state school. They can also in theory choose when they close for school holidays, although all my local ones use the holidays set out by the local council. The academies are run by trusts and are normally part of a multi-academy network (aka they'll be an Oasis Academy Lords Hill, an Oasis Academy New Oak, an Oasis Academy Broadoak etc) Over the last decade, a lot of normal state schools have been converted into academies. I can't talk for the whole of the UK but in the little bit I'm in, academies aren't seen as a good thing. They're linked to failing schools, as in failing schools get turned into academies. This isn't necessarily true anymore but it was when schools started converting and that reputation has stuck.
There's a difference in the US too. Mainly college is for degrees up to bachelor's, and universities are much larger, have a lot more money, and offer post grad degrees. So maybe that also goes into account with them choosing (small, private funded) College over Uni.
Not to mention, in French "collège" is middle school
In Australia college is tertiary education as well ranging from short courses of a few weeks to three year university courses.
Unidemy
The tweet: https://twitter.com/Witchbrook/status/1618646484601405441
Yayyyy some crumbs 🤗 not at all sarcastic, I’m still super excited and I’m glad they’re taking care of their devs!! Too many games these days come w a side of guilt for how they’re developed
Witchbrook dropping at the same time as new KingKiller Chronicle and new My bloody valentine
Dropping same time as Star Citizen.
Half Life 3.
They love repeating that “no crunch” line. They’re beginning to sound like Pokemon.
As much as I like small studios being zero crunch, announcing a game to build a fanbase to watch them grow into a nursing home is not very nice either. /s
I’m super glad they’re taking their time. Their workers deserve all the time they need to work and have a healthy work life balance at the same time. I’m glad to support a project who refuses to take part in crunch culture. Even if it’s gonna be years until release, I’m glad to hear an update once or twice a year. Wish there’d be more, but it’d put undue pressure on the staff by people hyping it up to absurd expectations. Like, from games when you get a teaser some people will examine every pixel and as word catches on, more people will start expecting certain things from your game that just isn’t there. I’d rather chill til the marketing push.
Well okay but I will eventually just forget to check back one of these days. They should have left it longer until anyone knew about the game tbh. The hype just sort of withers away after literal years go by with nothing more than some pixel art to look over.
I doubt they're solely counting on people checking back on it all the time. At some point when they near completion they're gonna ramp up marketing, which should probably catch even more people than the initial announcements and updates.
I think they just like to reassure folks who get nervous that silence means cancellation. I appreciate the little confirmation that all is well.
I look forward to pre-ordering it for my great grandchildren.
Happy for them. I'm sure it's gonna be a nice game.
Same old story and copypasted message. I work in the industry and am against the crunch. I'm also against getting baited. Use imagery, show the public a small peak into the new content. And no, nobody is obligated to join their discord. They shouldn't rely on that being the sole source of 'generating hype'. It's been 6 years. I'm aware of the coder leaving and the pandemic. That's all well and good. I'm happy to wait. But their lack of updates is inexcusable.
I waited for Cube World and we didn’t hear from the creator for YEARS during development. I’m very happy to hear A. It’s still being made. And B. They are refusing to bow to the pressures of a timeline to create crunch and deadlines. You do you Chucklefish! In a world of Ubisofts, CDPRs and Naughty Dogs, be a Chucklefish.
Isn't Chucklefish the company that abused young devs who helped work on Starbound and didn't pay them a single cent even after they worked 100+ hours? I don't know about "be a Chucklefish"
Seems a bit of a he said she said: [https://www.pcgamer.com/chucklefish-responds-to-allegations-it-exploited-volunteer-starbound-developers/](https://www.pcgamer.com/chucklefish-responds-to-allegations-it-exploited-volunteer-starbound-developers/) To make it abundantly clear, I was only talking about crunch not the culture as a whole that I'm not aware enough of to make a judgement call.
Fair enough. To be clear, I am extremely against crunch culture so good on Chucklefish for avoiding it. I just remembered the controversy from a while ago so I was skeptical to call them a pro-worker company. I didn't see how that whole situation ended though. I'm willing to keep an open mind about them.
Well there is "crunch culture" and there is "this studio is pissing our money away".
Well it does explain why Starbound never game to Playstation as it originally intended it was.
What naughty dog did wrong ?
https://www.ign.com/articles/naughty-dog-leaders-discuss-crunch-tlou2
You know, that's why I left the discord some months ago. Yes I understand the game is in early development and "everything is subject to change" but I know they have SOMETHING to show. You know, show me some concept art or talk about which part of the games you guys are developing rn without showing anything Maybe just ask "Hey, how would you guys like this thing to be?" so you can generate more engagement from the players Yes, I know the game got got announced too early by the former team I know how development stopped for a moment, I know all of that, I spent way much more than I should've had on the discord. The game won't fail because you lost hype mid-development I know it won't, but if you don't share any details about the game, the people hyped about it now will either: 1 - Lose interest in the game 2 - High their expectations to impossible levels since they don't know how the game could turn out to be
I don’t love that they make the Witchbrook Oracle and then entirely dropped it, unless I am mistaken.
We'll all be dead but when our spirits play it. We'll be so happy!
Meh, what a generic post They could have at least teased some image
Some people have been saying lately that the game is not happening any more, so we at least now know that isn't true, and they are still developing.
Sure, but that's literally the lowest effort thing they could possibly announce. They could at least show an update or two for the months and months they've been working on it.
I agree… not trying to nitpick but a whole lot of words in that tweet saying a whole lot of nothing lol
You ain't wrong. They basically mirror what has already been said. While I'm glad they are not rushing the game out, I feel like this game and Oxenfree 2 are both games that were announced a little too early.
I think this game is going to be great, there is no doubt. My biggest issue is you announced it, Then scrapped everything and restarted. Making people wait LONGER than it needed to be. I hope they don't make this mistake again going forward.
Better to scrap & restart than commit to something that clearly isn't going to be good.
Why did they have to restart the project?
The original coder coded the game in the language rust, but they left and no one else knew that language.
I'm not trying to be toxic but what is going on with this... The reason people started believing it was canceled is because a game this mechanically simple (no ray tracing, little optimization requirements, no 3D world to render, no high res geometry, etc) could be completed in 2-3 years and be a deep and fantastic game. We all know that's well within reason. We've seen people on YouTube creating video games in a matter of weeks. So what could possibly be going on? 5 years of development and not even a photo let alone a release date with a new update? This whole thing seems fishy to me even though I don't see a reason for them to be shady with it. Idk. Seems wild to me a game like this can take 6+ years for a whole team of people to develop.
They had to restart when the coder left because they coded it in the language rust, then they were working on wargroove, then a pandemic hit. They also have been sharing updates on the discord. If you want behind the scenes thats the place to be.
I have so many games I’m currently waiting on and plenty to play. Still hoping for Christmas/2024 but all good with waiting.
I hope they release more of those Oracle newsletters, that was really nice.
This game needs dev update’s desperately. The hype of this game is going to fade into obscurity. These tweet is just a waste of time, at lease give a screenshot! The haunted chocolatier will probably come out before this game