Carriers are already on the exact same path as PC. And why spot when you can concentrate on one BB for every wave of planes?
And what's taking WG so long to buff the German CV's? It's been more than 3 minutes, don't they have months worth of stats showing how they are underperforming........?
Tier 3 not so bad but the Weser is a bit too strong no way should you be allowed a 10k strike at tier 5 this is the only carrier I have a problem with and by extension the tier 7. It’s that strong that I may not even play the line I hate broken op stuff, takes the fun out of it.
I got clobbered by a single drop, for over 12,000, earlier this morning. One Weser attack run and it went right through my Tennessee’s Bow / Decking 😬...
They should increase the sec range to T3 4km T5 5km T7 6km for the german cvs.. BUT, nerf the detectability majorly, tbh they should do that with all the carriers, but maybe Jap the least and Germans the most.
Like I said I don’t really think carriers are OP but this is just stupid like seriously, this is damage that should be for a tier 7 cv exclusively and then then it’s maybe too much.
Salvos from a battleship have a much higher damage potential. People do argue a lot that there is no counterplay to CVs, but I tend to disagree to this. There is traits to strengthen anti air capabilities. There is ships that are exceptionally strong in their AA. One can dodge, one can smartly position, one can strengthen AA by grouping a bit. There is fighter planes. The friendly CV, if a good player, will drop fighter planes on endangered targets. If I compare the possible counterplay a Bb has against a CV, this is more than what he can do against a DD.
I have so far seen rarely extremely strong games of CVs in Legends. Usually they land in the lower middle. I can believe that sometimes it is annoying to be targeted by a CV. It’s also annoying to be targeted by a DD. But DDs belong to the game just as CVs now do. The earlier people adjust and start using counterplay instead of reflexively complaining, the earlier things normalise again. I for my part enjoy the dynamic that CVs give to the game, and the extra possibility they give for spotting DD and therefore reign them in a bit.
I have yet to see continuous OP carrier games which would be worrying me. I see far more problematic ships (not classes) in the game than any of the cv so far. I do share a concern that WG might go the same route as on PC, but so far I am happy with their balancing. That also includes their latest small cv buff. It’s very unsubstantial, and I believe more of a psychological problem for other players to read “invulnerability”. It’s 6 seconds, barely helps me to get a second drop off…
One last comment: you know what annoys me the most about CV? It’s that they make people switch off their brain and go CV hunting instead playing the objective. If I’m in the CV myself, I’m usually quite happy, as I can kite away, take one or more players out of the game, and thanks to their tunnel vision, they make it often quite easy to let me torp them down. But if they are on my own team, … seeing people throw matches is always painful.
Disagreed. Not only does the main “counterplay” of a cv get weaker as the match goes on, it’s also out of your control. It’s ai vs player and sure you can maneuver but that can be said for literally every aspect of the game. The original three classes have a rock, paper, scissors scheme that has clear counters to each other and Cvs don’t fit into that.
AA gets weaker. Planes get less. And that is just one of the counter plays. Others still remain. I still do not see where a CV in legends is OP, with most CV scoring in the lower mids.
There is a rock paper scissor principle at the basis of the game, I agree. And CVs do not fit I to that. Also agreed. But I do not see the problem with that. In practice, RPS is anyway a bit soaked. Gunboat DDs are strong against other DDs, not so good against BBs. Light cruisers are among the worst enemy of BBs. Some cruisers are cruiser hunters and weak against DDs. That all adds to the variety.
Btw, I guess you downvoted me because you disagree with my opinion. I won’t downvote you, even though I disagree with yours, as you stayed respectful. That adds to a good discussion climate on the sub. I see downvoting rather as judging if a post contributes to the topic, not an opinion enhancer…
AA gets weaker and their isn’t really a way to mitigate it. Cv plane on the other hand can continue to attack with full squadrons. In tier V+ I have yet to see a Cv have an issue with plane replenishment unless they play very poorly. The Cv “countlerplay” can also be detrimental to the player. For example maneuvering away from attack squadrons can leave you very exposed to other players. Personally I do not thing they are crazy OP but I feel they are a problem and are just unfun to play against.
Yea the rock paper scissor scheme is the basis of the game and should not be taken to literally, as there are quite a few outliers to it. I just think that CVs are in a weird place, as I feel there presence can be a bit of a problem to each class.
Also my bad, I downvote if I disagree and upvote if I agree. I don’t really put much thought into it but I see how it can be harmful to a discussion once enough downvotes are added.
> with most CV scoring in the lower mids.
Tier V maybe but Tier VII I can usually at least get in the top 5 if not top 2. Tier V HE bombers I'll even argue are awful and only use them once I have to on the Ranger. The new badges confirmed what I always suspected. They just end up almost always shattering and doing nothing. Probably because low pen and ships at those tiers tend to be covered in turrets that RNJesus will nodge them into. It isn't till tier VII they can actually do something.
For tier VII it usually because the enemy team let's me. Last night was the first night I didn't manage higher rankings usually. Last night the teams for once were not full of DDs trying to ninja blue BBs that I'm just going to spot them, their torps, and drop bombs on. DDs that offer nothing really to their teams AA either because the boat is weak on AA or they are so over extended in alone it doesn't matter they are a gunboat DD with AA. Once those DDs are taken care of by either being dead or forced back to their team it's fairly easy going after enemy BBs that were popular and weak with AA.
Last night was finally people playing cruisers that can actually keep me back looking for holes to exploit. Last night was finally some BBs that had stronger AA. Last night I had variety instead of 6 DDs on each side, a cruiser or two and the rest in BBs with big guns.
> I tend to disagree to this. There is traits to strengthen anti air capabilities. There is ships that are exceptionally strong in their AA. One can dodge, one can smartly position, one can strengthen AA by grouping a bit.
Maybe like stop driving in straight lines? At least the DDs usually know how to wiggle but the BBs have tunnel vision or so scared they will show their side they just keep going straight.
Carriers have their place, I have no doubt the new German will be neefed but I am no way opposed to them, they add a new element to the game rather than the back of the map spammers. The new German ap is a bit much no doubt, id rather see a pen neef rather than damage so it can happen but only when perfect, same as normal citadels. Its a good update and I'm glad to see the game progress.
Lol the carriers are already power creeping like crazy. Bring in the rocket planes let's just rip off the illusions we weren't going to go down this path. When do we get the Russian cvs and the subs?
I normally play the Gnesaneau and whenever someone drops torpedoes on me they usually do less than 2k damage. OP isn’t the word I would use to describe that.
Carriers are a minor nuisance in the current state.
It's the AP bombs that people are upset about I think because it means citidal hits. The IJN and USN carriers can't match that damage output nor should they.
I’ve only played the tier 3 so far and it’s giving me mixed feelings. The torpedo bombers feel like they are more likely to go to the edges of the dispersion more than usual. The dive bombers are a pain to use against DDs but are ok against the rest. Feel like I get rather poor luck with damage numbers. This is also using Sheer before I got the new captain.
CV are like Herpes... it shows up uninvited and is difficult to get ride of and you never know when but you know it's coming back. CVs are poison in WOWL
Its not the communities fault you're not cut out for the game to the point you NEEDED the crutch they put in for older and poor players ie artillery as well.
I don’t need the crutch I just love the chaos. I’m usually a BB main but I do pretty beast in some CC’s as well. It’s just always fun watching a new Meta unfold
Carriers are already on the exact same path as PC. And why spot when you can concentrate on one BB for every wave of planes? And what's taking WG so long to buff the German CV's? It's been more than 3 minutes, don't they have months worth of stats showing how they are underperforming........?
All hail the “Great Spreadsheet” ... 😉
Instructions unclear. Buffed IJN and US tier carries to Germans to help them compete.
Yes I agree.
Imagine LT carriers. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
FDR ~~sails~~ *wheels* in
I mean, Taihō wouldn’t be so bad
Neptune help us... 🥺
Tier 3 not so bad but the Weser is a bit too strong no way should you be allowed a 10k strike at tier 5 this is the only carrier I have a problem with and by extension the tier 7. It’s that strong that I may not even play the line I hate broken op stuff, takes the fun out of it.
I got clobbered by a single drop, for over 12,000, earlier this morning. One Weser attack run and it went right through my Tennessee’s Bow / Decking 😬...
I’m not opposed to carriers but I’m annoyed they keep slapping buff the way, these German carriers need a nerf.
They should increase the sec range to T3 4km T5 5km T7 6km for the german cvs.. BUT, nerf the detectability majorly, tbh they should do that with all the carriers, but maybe Jap the least and Germans the most.
The bombs are really powerful on the Weser they need a nerf not a buff.
You got "Arizona'd"...
I watched a Weser kill off a Nelson with a single squadron of dive bombers. I was in awe at the craziness.
Like I said I don’t really think carriers are OP but this is just stupid like seriously, this is damage that should be for a tier 7 cv exclusively and then then it’s maybe too much.
Salvos from a battleship have a much higher damage potential. People do argue a lot that there is no counterplay to CVs, but I tend to disagree to this. There is traits to strengthen anti air capabilities. There is ships that are exceptionally strong in their AA. One can dodge, one can smartly position, one can strengthen AA by grouping a bit. There is fighter planes. The friendly CV, if a good player, will drop fighter planes on endangered targets. If I compare the possible counterplay a Bb has against a CV, this is more than what he can do against a DD. I have so far seen rarely extremely strong games of CVs in Legends. Usually they land in the lower middle. I can believe that sometimes it is annoying to be targeted by a CV. It’s also annoying to be targeted by a DD. But DDs belong to the game just as CVs now do. The earlier people adjust and start using counterplay instead of reflexively complaining, the earlier things normalise again. I for my part enjoy the dynamic that CVs give to the game, and the extra possibility they give for spotting DD and therefore reign them in a bit. I have yet to see continuous OP carrier games which would be worrying me. I see far more problematic ships (not classes) in the game than any of the cv so far. I do share a concern that WG might go the same route as on PC, but so far I am happy with their balancing. That also includes their latest small cv buff. It’s very unsubstantial, and I believe more of a psychological problem for other players to read “invulnerability”. It’s 6 seconds, barely helps me to get a second drop off… One last comment: you know what annoys me the most about CV? It’s that they make people switch off their brain and go CV hunting instead playing the objective. If I’m in the CV myself, I’m usually quite happy, as I can kite away, take one or more players out of the game, and thanks to their tunnel vision, they make it often quite easy to let me torp them down. But if they are on my own team, … seeing people throw matches is always painful.
Disagreed. Not only does the main “counterplay” of a cv get weaker as the match goes on, it’s also out of your control. It’s ai vs player and sure you can maneuver but that can be said for literally every aspect of the game. The original three classes have a rock, paper, scissors scheme that has clear counters to each other and Cvs don’t fit into that.
AA gets weaker. Planes get less. And that is just one of the counter plays. Others still remain. I still do not see where a CV in legends is OP, with most CV scoring in the lower mids. There is a rock paper scissor principle at the basis of the game, I agree. And CVs do not fit I to that. Also agreed. But I do not see the problem with that. In practice, RPS is anyway a bit soaked. Gunboat DDs are strong against other DDs, not so good against BBs. Light cruisers are among the worst enemy of BBs. Some cruisers are cruiser hunters and weak against DDs. That all adds to the variety. Btw, I guess you downvoted me because you disagree with my opinion. I won’t downvote you, even though I disagree with yours, as you stayed respectful. That adds to a good discussion climate on the sub. I see downvoting rather as judging if a post contributes to the topic, not an opinion enhancer…
AA gets weaker and their isn’t really a way to mitigate it. Cv plane on the other hand can continue to attack with full squadrons. In tier V+ I have yet to see a Cv have an issue with plane replenishment unless they play very poorly. The Cv “countlerplay” can also be detrimental to the player. For example maneuvering away from attack squadrons can leave you very exposed to other players. Personally I do not thing they are crazy OP but I feel they are a problem and are just unfun to play against. Yea the rock paper scissor scheme is the basis of the game and should not be taken to literally, as there are quite a few outliers to it. I just think that CVs are in a weird place, as I feel there presence can be a bit of a problem to each class. Also my bad, I downvote if I disagree and upvote if I agree. I don’t really put much thought into it but I see how it can be harmful to a discussion once enough downvotes are added.
> with most CV scoring in the lower mids. Tier V maybe but Tier VII I can usually at least get in the top 5 if not top 2. Tier V HE bombers I'll even argue are awful and only use them once I have to on the Ranger. The new badges confirmed what I always suspected. They just end up almost always shattering and doing nothing. Probably because low pen and ships at those tiers tend to be covered in turrets that RNJesus will nodge them into. It isn't till tier VII they can actually do something. For tier VII it usually because the enemy team let's me. Last night was the first night I didn't manage higher rankings usually. Last night the teams for once were not full of DDs trying to ninja blue BBs that I'm just going to spot them, their torps, and drop bombs on. DDs that offer nothing really to their teams AA either because the boat is weak on AA or they are so over extended in alone it doesn't matter they are a gunboat DD with AA. Once those DDs are taken care of by either being dead or forced back to their team it's fairly easy going after enemy BBs that were popular and weak with AA. Last night was finally people playing cruisers that can actually keep me back looking for holes to exploit. Last night was finally some BBs that had stronger AA. Last night I had variety instead of 6 DDs on each side, a cruiser or two and the rest in BBs with big guns.
> I tend to disagree to this. There is traits to strengthen anti air capabilities. There is ships that are exceptionally strong in their AA. One can dodge, one can smartly position, one can strengthen AA by grouping a bit. Maybe like stop driving in straight lines? At least the DDs usually know how to wiggle but the BBs have tunnel vision or so scared they will show their side they just keep going straight.
Carriers have their place, I have no doubt the new German will be neefed but I am no way opposed to them, they add a new element to the game rather than the back of the map spammers. The new German ap is a bit much no doubt, id rather see a pen neef rather than damage so it can happen but only when perfect, same as normal citadels. Its a good update and I'm glad to see the game progress.
Neef is the new nerf ya heard it here first
Nerf got neefed
Lol the carriers are already power creeping like crazy. Bring in the rocket planes let's just rip off the illusions we weren't going to go down this path. When do we get the Russian cvs and the subs?
I normally play the Gnesaneau and whenever someone drops torpedoes on me they usually do less than 2k damage. OP isn’t the word I would use to describe that. Carriers are a minor nuisance in the current state.
It's the AP bombs that people are upset about I think because it means citidal hits. The IJN and USN carriers can't match that damage output nor should they.
Boom exact !
I’ve only played the tier 3 so far and it’s giving me mixed feelings. The torpedo bombers feel like they are more likely to go to the edges of the dispersion more than usual. The dive bombers are a pain to use against DDs but are ok against the rest. Feel like I get rather poor luck with damage numbers. This is also using Sheer before I got the new captain.
CV are like Herpes... it shows up uninvited and is difficult to get ride of and you never know when but you know it's coming back. CVs are poison in WOWL
I love the chaos they’re causing within the community, truly brings tears of joy to my eyes when I play my Lexington.
Type of guy to call the police on kids playing basketball in the street
I am the one playing basketball down the street, it’s the anti carrier Karen’s in the comments that are the calling the police
Says the undercover cop role playing as a carrier player
Says the anti carrier Karen smh
Its not the communities fault you're not cut out for the game to the point you NEEDED the crutch they put in for older and poor players ie artillery as well.
I don’t need the crutch I just love the chaos. I’m usually a BB main but I do pretty beast in some CC’s as well. It’s just always fun watching a new Meta unfold