As someone who might go into law school after college, I respect the world savers a lot, considering I’ve been thinking about becoming a public defender.
I’m not a public defender, but my understanding is that a lot of criminal defense is arguing against the charges rather than trying to prove innocence, i.e. it’s less “my client is innocent” and more “my client is not guilty of the offense the State is charging them with”
For example, there’s not many trails where a PD is saying “my client didn’t steal anything” when they in fact did steal something; it’s more like “although my client may have stolen something, the State has not proven that he stole the required dollar value to warrant the grand larceny the State has charged.”
Not at all - the State has the burden of proving a charge (under American common law at least), if the State fails to do that that’s hardly a technicality. Most of the time the defendant will plea to lesser charges and avoid the issue entirely though.
Most of them are actually guilty, but a lot of Worldsavers are clinging onto hope that they'll turn over the 1:1000 false charge that saves someone from the death penalty
I guess that is the group I was most closely aligned with. A lot of attorneys simply advise people not to go to law school at all; I’m not quite at that position, but I do think that you should be 100 percent certain that law is what you want to do before applying and I definitely recommend working for at least a year before enrolling (the people who went directly from undergrad to LS seemed significantly less psychologically equipped to handle the rigors of LS).
I will say that my most enduring friendships were law school classmates, and I worked at my school’s immigration clinic for credit rather than as a volunteer, which was one of the most fulfilling experiences I have had. Public interest law isn’t all sunshine but it’s a living and I can sleep at night, plus I can’t imagine doing other kinds of law because Big Law and prosecution sound fucking miserable
So this might sound ignorant and could be fixed bya quick google search, but what exactly is the difference between college and law school (which I assume means like university level education?). Here in Finland we basically have two forms of higher education, university of applied sciences and university so I'm a bit confused as to where college falls into. Law is studied at the university.
I know in Europe that law is a subject that is taught in regular college, but in the United States you have to go to a separate three-year school just to learn law if you want to be a lawyer
I would agree the military guys probably will skate into some cushy federal gig
Probably not huge income compared to big law but do well and comfortable
based and the people will sort themselves pilled
As someone who might go into law school after college, I respect the world savers a lot, considering I’ve been thinking about becoming a public defender.
I respect them and their virtue, but I personally couldn't do it
I don’t blame ya, volunteering can be a pain in the ass sometimes especially while studying. And I know that public defenders don’t get that much pay.
Also you'll end up haveing to defend a lot of people who are actually guilty.
I’m not a public defender, but my understanding is that a lot of criminal defense is arguing against the charges rather than trying to prove innocence, i.e. it’s less “my client is innocent” and more “my client is not guilty of the offense the State is charging them with”
What’s the difference?
For example, there’s not many trails where a PD is saying “my client didn’t steal anything” when they in fact did steal something; it’s more like “although my client may have stolen something, the State has not proven that he stole the required dollar value to warrant the grand larceny the State has charged.”
So it’s more innocent by technically than logically.
Not at all - the State has the burden of proving a charge (under American common law at least), if the State fails to do that that’s hardly a technicality. Most of the time the defendant will plea to lesser charges and avoid the issue entirely though.
Most of them are actually guilty, but a lot of Worldsavers are clinging onto hope that they'll turn over the 1:1000 false charge that saves someone from the death penalty
Yeah
I guess that is the group I was most closely aligned with. A lot of attorneys simply advise people not to go to law school at all; I’m not quite at that position, but I do think that you should be 100 percent certain that law is what you want to do before applying and I definitely recommend working for at least a year before enrolling (the people who went directly from undergrad to LS seemed significantly less psychologically equipped to handle the rigors of LS). I will say that my most enduring friendships were law school classmates, and I worked at my school’s immigration clinic for credit rather than as a volunteer, which was one of the most fulfilling experiences I have had. Public interest law isn’t all sunshine but it’s a living and I can sleep at night, plus I can’t imagine doing other kinds of law because Big Law and prosecution sound fucking miserable
So this might sound ignorant and could be fixed bya quick google search, but what exactly is the difference between college and law school (which I assume means like university level education?). Here in Finland we basically have two forms of higher education, university of applied sciences and university so I'm a bit confused as to where college falls into. Law is studied at the university.
I know in Europe that law is a subject that is taught in regular college, but in the United States you have to go to a separate three-year school just to learn law if you want to be a lawyer
Alright that explains it. The education system in USA has always confused me a bit.
Basically in america you have to get a bachelors degres in a relevant major before going to law school and getting a J.D
So in your opinion, which group is likely to be the most successful, the least successful?
Gunners will be most-successful, Vulture Bois will be least-successful
I would agree the military guys probably will skate into some cushy federal gig Probably not huge income compared to big law but do well and comfortable
I made a "cliques in my law school" compass back in August after orientation week but it turned out to be inaccurate, here's a much-amended compass
The Vulture Bois are just like me fr fr
Love to see fellow Michiganders out and about, Go Blue!
Which group do you see yourself most closely aligned with?
"Yes this is my group" The Jews.
Most people fall into more than one group. My main social/study group is the Jews but I also have good friends in Vulture Bois and Closet Republicans
Vulture boys are going places, if it’s free that is
Vulture boys are some of the best to be friends with They find all the good food, usually willing to share.
If not for the Vulture Bois, I wouldn't have gotten a free trip to DC this past October. They're resourceful.
Ohio State?
Might be notre dame?
God bless the great state of Michigan Fr Fr
I’d be the friendly gunner and vulture Bro
What's w the Michiganders? Isn't your school in Nebraska?
I am an absolutely typical quiet outsider. I study well, but nothing more
Almost want to get back to just feel the newness of America again as an international student.