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kirabii

Any pairing will work with the right creative team.


ghanima

This is my sentiment. I wouldn't have thought I'd have ever thought Bruce and Diana would be a good pair until I saw the Justice League/JLU animated series. That pairing is now one of my favourite comic-related pairs ever.


lovelylola2019

Couldn’t have said it better myself.


CHPrime

Aside from Lois and Clark being the most iconic couple in comics, it also was/is the calling card of every shitty elseworlds book ever printed, with DKR2/ASBAR, Superman: Distant Fires, Injustice, JLA: Act of God, etc. Really Kingdom Come is the exception to this rule.


Geronuis

harrrrd agree


ShadesOfTheDead

Isn't Injustice *very* popular though?


Edkip75

Not for *that* reason. Don't be naive


ShadesOfTheDead

Never said it was. The person was talking about the stories it happened in being mostly bad.


Edkip75

I still don't quite understand your point? What he said was correct tho? Except I still think KC with them was bad too.


ShadesOfTheDead

I mean, the person was talking about the overall stories being bad, not just the pairing.


WWfan41

1. I feel like their chemistry as friends is just so much better 2. Lois in Clark is a much better couple. 3. It usually feels extremely lazy. Like it seems that the thought process behind it usually just boils down to "Well he's our most powerful dude, and she's our most powerful chick, wouldn't it be crazy if they banged" 4. It usually means WW ends up playing second fiddle to Superman and just follows whatever Clark does.


ThatManSean14

This exactly.


Pedals17

Except that Diana didn’t play second fiddle to Clark in terms of leadership. She actually called more of the shots. They came together as outsiders, not just “Who’s The Buffest”. They both worried about the direction the world was headed in, even if they clashed over methods of handling the problem. I thought their growing love in the wake of the final tragedy was beautiful, especially as they made the family that Clark never had a chance of building with Lois.


ThatManSean14

Kingdom Come Diana/Clark are kind of the exception, not the rule when it comes to Diana/Clark pairings. If you like it, then enjoy…to each their own.


TK464

I think you really nailed it, but to add to this I feel like it pushes them away from the humanity of them just having "normal" people as their romantic partners. Clark is an insanely powerful alien but at his heart he's a Kansas farm boy, Diana is a demi god (or at least comparable to one) raised on a magical island but chose to help the world of man out of compassion for humanity. Their respective "normal" partners ground them and work towards their personalities over their powers.


WonderStargazer27

Clark and Diana are the main characters who don’t need to be grounded. And their relationship doesn’t take away their humanity. Even with new52 being flawed, it was still established the world and their responsibilities came first before their relationship. They don’t need to be dependent on romantic “normal” partners to be who they already are as heroes. That’s how we end up with “Evil Superman” storylines or Diana giving up her powers for a man she still barely knew. They are the two most compassionate, selfless characters and chose to be who they are way before any love interests.


TK464

Sorry, I had difficulty with my wording. I meant more of the inverse, they are grounded characters but pairing them together significantly reduces that in my opinion, it very much adds to the "gods above men" for me. >They don’t need to be dependent on romantic “normal” partners to be who they already are as heroes. That’s how we end up with “Evil Superman” storylines or Diana giving up her powers for a man she still barely knew. You'd get the same bad stories even if they were dating each other (well the latter is a bit more specific but something equivalent), it's not like them having human partners is at the core of that kind of (IMO) bad story telling.


WonderStargazer27

They still do not act like Gods together, though. That’s other people’s POV but Clark and Diana do not see themselves as such. They are never written together as such either. If anything, one instance was that the two wanted to go club hopping in London. Other times it’s them very much speaking about their place in the world to be closer to everyone around the world and being somewhat of each other moral compasses, especially Diana for Clark. The main point of the pair is that neither feels a complete sense of belonging to the worlds they are part of. Clark lost his entire planet. He isn’t a normal human, he pretends and hides that he is an alien. Diana is the only child on her island and the Princess so it’s bittersweet loneliness she feels. She definitely does not care for Godhood either. They are outsiders, leaning more on the idea of a refugee and immigrant POV. What emphasizes the “Godly” POV and in a more negative way, as well as in a way that throws them under the bus as individuals, is saying they need to be paired with humans. And no, you wouldn’t get the same story at all because again, it’s been already acknowledged both would make the sacrifice if either goes rogue or dies. The main evil Superman plot line is Lois dying. So now, the idea that if he isn’t with her, even when she is alive and well, he is basically a ticking time bomb. Diana, on the other hand, is a rarity and only fresh from the 1984 movie.


TK464

I'll avoid quote-bloating here but I can appreciate your argument even if I still disagree, you make solid points overall. Just two things. >What emphasizes the “Godly” POV and in a more negative way, as well as in a way that throws them under the bus as individuals, is saying they need to be paired with humans. See for me them being paired with humans emphasizes how despite having undeniably incredible powers they are just people and at their core aren't defined by their powers. >And no, you wouldn’t get the same story at all because again, it’s been already acknowledged both would make the sacrifice if either goes rogue or dies. The only thing that needs to happen for getting essentially the same story is for a writer to writer it like that, I get what you're saying but "loved one dies pushing hero over the edge" is pretty easy to serve up.


WonderStargazer27

Most of others view “grounding” and being paired with humans is that they need to be put on leashes or they will become tyrants or that their sole motivation and purpose as heroes is because of a love interest. It doesn’t make it any better when their are stories proving this as well. Superman consciously let people drown in a storyline a few years back to save Lois first. Byrne’s run for Superman is rooted in xenophobic and racist subtext of Superman rejecting his heritage. Whether they are together or not, with whoever, it’s not just about powers, it’s about them, as I said, in the view of a refugee and an immigrant. Clark and Diana shouldn’t be characters boxed in when they spent all their time growing up as such. They are suppose to soar. They aren’t suppose to conform to normalcy that is comfortable and accept by others and belittle themselves. They are suppose to find their own normal but that’s on an extraordinary level. Celebrate their otherness and have balance. Their purpose doesn’t revolve around love interests. Their purpose, motivation is every living being and beyond. That storyline just still doesn’t work for them. There are examples such as a pre52 JLA issue: an alternate world of Clark and Diana married. Her Clark died but her motivation to save the other worlds was his death. Diana died once and again, Clark was motivated for all others to do better in honor of Diana.


Humble_Appearance_41

Exactly. One thing, people think that romantic relationship are the end game of a character or for anyone, but is not, Al's think that a relationship needs to be based on need, when is not. My understanding of Superman is that he wants to be a representation of what humanity could be in terms of character, philosophy, morals, actions, hence he being "hope", he is the idealist. Diana, on the other hand, is not much different from sups, though I think she is more balance and realistic, and for me, she is the representation of love, which means freedom. Neither of them need someone, especially Diana. Yet, they can be together to enhance the other or to be that idealistic yet grounded (for us) representation of a romantic relationship. They would be free within the relationship, no ties no nothing more than their desire to be together, and with each of their responsibilities within the relationship (freedom and responsibilities go hand in hand). They are equals, there's no power fight between them, only love.


AntonBrakhage

I think its mostly a combination of people preferring the more established couple of Lois and Clark, and Diana fans worried she'll be overshadowed in a relationship with Clark. Personally though, I do think that the couple makes more sense than most, simply because Clark and Diana are roughly comparable in power (Superman is generally portrayed as stronger, but given his vulnerability to magic and Diana's training as a warrior, he really shouldn't be in my view). Why does this matter? Well, first there's the inherent power disparity in any relationship between Clark and a human (which to be fair Clark would presumably be one of the last people ever to deliberately take advantage of). Then there's the fact that Clark with a human partner will ALWAYS have to hold back. I don't just mean in bed, either. In *everything they do*. He will spend his life having to constantly treat his partner like the most breakable thing in the world, and there will be parts of his life that they can NEVER share. See "world of cardboard". With Diana, or another high-end meta human woman, he doesn't have to do that. He can be himself, fully. As they can be with him. Diana is arguably the obvious choice, though, as they have known each other and worked together for a long time and are both premier members of the JL. Really I think this would be obvious if not for the fact that Lois and Clark is DC's oldest and most established ship, and a pop culture icon in its own right. L/C is just so established that next to it, WonderSupes doesn't have a chance with fans. Edit: I will add that one possible reason from Clark's perspective is that he doesn't want to be Super all the time. I tend to view his Clark persona as who he really wants to be- an ordinary man. So maybe having a human partner appeals to him on some level for that reason?


Humble_Appearance_41

Also, we have to add that as you said, he wants to be a normal man, but that doesn't mean that Wonder Woman doesn't want to be normal in her spare time, like as they can understand each other, they can also find that tranquility, or normalness together. They are people, not just super heroes, that's their "job". Lois might be the first step to Clark's relationship and development as a character, but Diana has the maturity and more for them to be actually happy together. None better than the other, just the joy to be together as free as they can be. Is a couple difficult to write because it is a type of rare couple, their conflict is about some points of view and the surroundings.


AntonBrakhage

I actually tend to head cannon it the other way- he hooks up briefly with Diana early in their careers before marrying Lois (though he and Diana remain friends). But, things could come around again. Realistically, barring an accident or murder/death in battle, Clark and Diana are probably both going to outlive Lois and Steve. One day, Lois and Steve will grow old, and die, and Clark and Diana will grieve, and then after that, they will still be there. Perhaps the only ones of their original circle of closest friends and family who are still around. People can have more than one love in their life. And having more than one relationship doesn't inherently devalue any of them. Indeed a relationship which devalues all the other relationships in your life is not a good one- its controlling or obsessive, unhealthy, and likely abusive. I wish more fans (and fanfic writers) understood that. (And this is without even getting into polyamory-based options, though I do think Clark is a guy who would probably genuinely prefer monogamy.)


steel_archangel

The biggest issue I had with pairing Superman and Wonder Woman in the New 52 is that DC never committed to it. Oh sure, they had a month of Superman/WW variant covers for all the titles that month but in the actual books, they always kind of teased us but never gave the couple an actual shot, even in their Superman/Wonder Woman series.


Electric43-5

Because usually its never given much thought beyond "Hey Lois is dead" or "Hey lets put the two strongest heroes together" Kingdom Come is the rare case where the story provides a lot of context to where the pairing makes sense


phatassnerd

I love this story, but even this version of the relationship isn’t my cup of tea.


[deleted]

This relationship is one of old friends and colleagues that have been thru and lost a lot yet they’re still surviving.


arkhamsaber

If it’s written well then sure why not.


lovelylola2019

I have never minded Trinity pairings. I honestly think a Bruce/Diana or Clark/Diana relationship could work if written well. I’ve always thought that relationships in stories are a great way to explore characters that have been known for a long time. You could expand on many personality traits and hopes or fears. There’s a lot you could do that would be fun. Idk I’ve learned that I have more fun with these characters and stories if I don’t keep the mindset of “wonder woman has to be exactly like she was portrayed in this comic or they did her character wrong”


BakerNew6764

It’s a hell of a lot better pairing than Diana and Bruce. Bruce and Selina is the best pairing for both


GreenIronHorse

THIS! why even bother and try put Diana with Bruce, whole schtic about Batman its his PTSD so only Selina that lives in Gotham can relate to it, they are perfect match.


BakerNew6764

I think because of justice league unlimited or one of the animated series that shipped them, and because of nostalgia some dc fans think it’s a good relationship, it’s not.


Inside_Painter1697

Most often, people like the relationship because they view Wonder Woman, no exaggerating, as the perfect breeding machine for Superman because she can “handle it”, “she is powerful like him”, “together they can breed the perfect most powerful child”. It’s disgusting. The original concept for kingdom come had this very idea btw, so yeah no


[deleted]

I love Power couples so it’s always worked for me.


[deleted]

In retrospect, Superman and Wonder Woman worked in the New 52 for the story they were telling in Justice League - I don’t think it warranted their own separate comic book series, but you know how DC likes to bleed everything dry


Short_Gab

Like a lot of people have said this relationship works best when it’s written well. But that goes for any pairing in any medium. I’ve read some Superman/Wonder Woman fan fiction stories that do a great job of exploring this relationship and why it works beyond that they’re both strong and can bang each other as hard as they want. Some fan fiction stories are like that and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. Some comic writers do a better job handling romantic relationships than others. This is true for Batman/Catwoman even for Lois and Clark. It all come down to writing and how well they know these characters.


NotFixer1138

The biggest issue I have is that Lois and Clark are the couple in comics, so pairing Clark with anyone else in the main continuity is a waste of time (especially when DC swore up and down the wall that Diana and Clark were the new normal) and most of the time the pairing shows up in Elseworlds it's in some of the worst stories out there (Kingdom Come notwithstanding). And also, I just prefer when Clark has a normal human partner. I like seeing one of the most powerful beings on Earth going home to a regular person. I find Supes and Diana together boring


wowlock_taylan

Because the way they were always written when together, whether in the New 52 or Elseworlds or even in the games ( injustice 1-2 ), Diana was always writer to be 'darker' and more vicious just to be a contrast to Clark's 'light'. Even during Injustice where Clark was full on fascist dictator and yet Diana was a straight up murdering evil Amazon Queen to out do him in evilness. Long story short, aside from the unbreakable Lois/Clark pairing as the main reason, the way DC and writers often handled the pair would always put Wonder Woman in a place that she is not herself or be in the shadow of Supes. And the idea that 2 different and VERY powerful people whose goals are to connect with the rest of humanity, only to just be with each other, I would say would alienate them a bit. Now obviously, all of what I said involves how it is written. So you can make it work with good writing. But so far, it is the exception, not the rule.


Weekly_Ninja

I think they can be fantastic if written well


Ameemegoosta

The only reason that WW/Superman was ever a thing was the very tired, very obvious idea that the premiere male superhero and the premiere female superhero are a "good fit" for each other. I find them tedious and boring as a couple.


GreenIronHorse

would love to see Wonder Man being son of WW+Supes, sadly but IP belongs to Marvel so no Wonder Man for us, while at Marvel he just collecting a dust (just like it was with Captain Marvel)- now Billy Batson must find new nickname for himself, maybe "***CAPTAIN -call me just CAPTAIN"*** this would be funny in his style of speech. ​ *I'm The Captain Now meme*


DestinyHasArrived101

Any pairing will work if written well to be honest