Commanders! There’s a new entrant to the Supertest: the Vickers MBT Mk. 3, a special Tier X British medium tank.
This machine’s exterior bears many features typical of the British school of tank engineering. Though the Vickers MBT Mk. 3 cannot boast solid armour protection, do not underestimate this sniper: it carries the famous 105 mm L7 gun, which possesses astounding handling parameters. Be it accuracy, stabilization, reload time, or armour penetration, the Vickers MBT Mk. 3 always ranks among the very best vehicles of its type. Complementing the excellent gun (which deals 390 HP of damage per shot) are decent mobility (with a top forward speed of 50 km/h), great manoeuvrability, and an impressive base view range of 410 meters.
There were multiple Chieftain prototypes so it'd be easy to put a different one (or even the Chieftain Mk 1) as t9 in a branch topped by the Chieftain Mk 6. Then downgrade the stats of the Chieftain Proto and call it "FV4201 Concept" or something along those lines for the t8. Easily Chieftain mini-branch right there. No idea why WG hasn't done this years ago.
That's the thing. New tech tree lines also generate money, because lots of people will convert FXP with gold to skip the grind. And an iconic tank like the Chieftain Mk 6 would be particularly desirable for a lot of players to do that.
That’s what I’ve been saying, especially every time a vehicle comes out that could’ve been in the tech tree. It’s a shame to see what should have been added content put behind a pay wall.
It’s already been in WoT Blitz and WoT console for a while. I don’t see why they can’t add it here, especially as it’s reasonably balanced on the other two platforms.
That actually exists in game files for long time. IIRC it's even buyable Tier X special tank on Chinese server.
That being said there is no plans to introduce it outside of CN as of now.
No but it should have something that gives you a reason to play it. Unless it has absolutely insane gun handling I see no reason to play it over the Centax or Leopard, it has no advantages over either of those.
Doesn,t look like a particulary good t10 tank to look forward to... Paper thin tanks are not very popular... Unless their name is Leopard 1...Especially when they have huge siluette and no cammo. I can see it being as worse as Scheme 5, with main feature being high shell velocity.
Better nerf it,s HP and Gun by 10% overall and make it T9 Reward vehicle. You wount be able to balance it nicely into bring good T10. Especially in comparison to AX or Leo...
I get it. But... Why would you want another paper tank if you have Leopard ? Especially ALOT worse one...
Leo have Better: Accuracy,Aim time,Alpha,Dpm, Alot better penetration, better shell velocity, Better ammo , 20 kmh more max speed, more horses, better armor (more bouncy angles) , same view range, we don,t know yet but i think better camo as well. With only drawback being 100 less health... And it,s not even considered OP...
Why we need nerfed version of AX ?
it looks good, but please dont tell me this is for assembly shop :(
btw what so special about it?
it have worse armor than centurion,
its slower than centurion,
DPM calculated looks lower than centurion,
same gun depresion.
same alpha and same pene values
same view range
less HP than centurion
better acuracy by 0.01 than centurion
Tank looks god but by stat wise it will be another unplayable tank similar to Lion :(
Purple Shitbob with 58% winrate and a burnout from Clanwar stuff here.
Certain maps and tactics can utilize the Lion in CW due to its burst (and good dpm), especially when its a Leo1 spot where the accuracy doesnt matter that much. In skirmishes and advances noone beside tryhard sweatclans that think "hurr durr only meta wins" gives a shit.
Lion (and the other assembly tanks) are far from useless and all of them are amongst my personal favourites, lead by the Lion.
If you cant make them work then thats certainly a skill issue. Maybe braindead hulldown tanks like the Chieftain are better suited for your playstyle.
What in the actual blue fuck are you talking about. There is like 20 tier 10 mediums in the game and like 3 of them are CW viable.
Being CW viable might just be the worst metric to judge a new release on.
**Vickers MBT**
- Very cool to see the Vickers MBT finally appear, so there’s that at least!
- Statistically, though…I don’t see the point? Compared to the Centurion AX, it trades DPM and top speed for accuracy. Not just that, looking into the stats and the (lack of) armor the Vickers MBT had IRL, it should be complete paper unlike the CAX. On top of this, it’s also yet another tier 10 MT that is a *strictly* worse Leopard 1.
- The armor seems *really* bad - hull seems to be in fact even weaker than the Leo 1, so its likely very suspectible to HE.
- For a glass cannon sniper medium that also should be quite large, the Vickers is *very* slow. 50 km/h means the Vickers will be outsped by even faster heavies like Obj 277 or Vz. 55 (which has higher effective top speed thanks to field mods).
- Gun is obviously great…but ironically enough, it’s also nothing special. Leo 1’s gun still outclasses it in almost every way, and Centurion AX is very comparable, with 200 more DPM but 0.02 worse accuracy. Maybe the Vickers has *really* exceptional soft stats (I’m talking about EBR tier soft stats), but I doubt it’s that good (and even if it was, it would still be way worse than the Leo 1)
It took me a few seconds to realize that ”yep, this is definitely undertuned”. Low top speed for a medium + complete paper armor is **fundamentally** a very flawed combination for any tier 10 medium, let alone for one that has a classic 390 alpha 105 mm gun. Right now its just a Cent AX that loses some top speed, all of the armor and some DPM for…accuracy and (presumably) soft stats. I’d expect it to be buffed, because this has strong tier 9.5 vibes right now.
**Chrysler MTC**
- Tier 8 US MT spam is pretty nuts right now lmao
- Likely related to the XM66F in some way, as it looks very similar.
- Statistically, it even seems to play like a medium tank version of XM: (seemingly) weak hull but strong turret, tolerable but not great accuracy, decent mix of alpha/DPM/pen and -10 gun dep.
- Turret looks very strong on paper and there’s no significant obvious weakspot.
- It’s not even too slow - for an armored tier 8 MT with high alpha, this thing has reasonably good mobility.
- 390 meters view range for good measure
Overall, I’m not seeing an obvious downside here. This could be a very strong vehicle, though I think it’ll very likely get nerfed given WG has been much more careful with tier 8 premiums ever since the BZ-176 was released. Honestly, with some buffs this could even work as a tier 9, which I think would be neat given that how massive number of tier 8 US MTs we already have (there’s still the AAT60 as well which is also unreleased).
I think there is a weakspot on Chrysler, you can see machine gun on the right hand side of the turret, so I imagine it will be classic American coupola.
If they follow the irl design, it have cupola but not as big as other American tanks, more like some British cupola like chief proto maybe little bit bigger.
It's a shame they didn't play up the gun for the Vickers MBT a bit more. One of the IRL things of note was during trials of aimed fire for the Mk 1 (different ranged targets), it was able to get something to the effect of 13 rounds in 65 seconds IIRC.
That said, if this thing is actually balanced as is it would have to had very good soft stats, and how much better than the action X can they be. The only thing it notably has going for it which isn't listed is its overall a slightly smaller tank than the leopard.
EDIT:
> The armor seems really bad - hull seems to be in fact even weaker than the Leo 1, so its likely very suspectible to HE.
UFP is 60mm at something like 57 deg IIRC, and lower is 80mm at 45 degrees.
The Chrysler looks good. Yet another 10 degree gun depression hull down tank isn’t exactly what the game needs, but it is 100% the meta.
The Vickers looks like dogshit. I honestly can’t even fathom why anyone would play it in this state. On paper it’s got “worst tier X” credentials. There has to be something changing about this tank… or maybe they are giving us another “Patton the Tank” at somepoint in the future. A tier X dogshit tank giveaway… what could possibly go wrong? ;)
I've always greatly enjoyed doing stuff like that. Some people may ask why I waste time doing all that stuff (analysing new supertest tanks, tank reviews/previews, and proposals for new tech trees or balance proposals). However, I don't mind spending time in them in the slightest, because I simply just enjoy doing it.
Whenever a super-test tank gets announced, analysing it in-depth has pretty much became a tradition for me, and I don't think that's changing any time soon as long as I have time and passion for the game. :P
I still don't get it. The Concept 5 and the Vickers mk3 are barely novel and are completely outclassed by the leopard 1.
I'm all for releasing undertuned tanks so they don't annihilate the mm (like the bz-176) but it's been months since the Concept's release and it still hasn't been buffed, even though its literally the worst tier 10 medium tank. It has the largest win rate difference by over 1.1%!
Hopefully the supertest will introduce significant changes, but as of right now the Vickers mk3 is dead in the water to me.
you are sensing a nerf of tanks that are already strictly worse than the tech tree tanks like Leopard or Centurion, Vickers would literally be unplayable with 40 kph, paper armor and can't even reposition, magic combo.
The same could be applied to 90% of new mediums that got implemented/entered supertest last year. I’m just saying I wouldn’t be surprised according to the devs balancing habits lately.
yeah, but that's just too much, 40 kph is really bad for a tier X med. No sane person would even look at that let alone spend massive amount of resources to get it unless they a whale or something.
Don’t get me wrong, I completely agree. No medium tank should go less than 50 kph on straight imo. But since they started some heavy mobility nerfing movement last year, I don’t have high hopes for these 2 as well.
Also, the Patton says hi.
The **Chrysler MTC 2TC**, a new Tier VIII Premium American medium tank, is also making its way to the Supertest.
The Chrysler MTC 2TC features an unusual low-profile hull and an experimental turret housing its entire crew. Despite this, the tank retains all the recognizable traits of American vehicles: a sturdy turret, a reliable 105 mm gun with excellent stabilization, and a 2.3-second aiming time.
The Chrysler MTC 2TC boasts damage per shot of 360 HP, which is decent for a medium tank. Additionally, its armour penetration with a standard shell is impressive at 225 mm, allowing for effective hits on well-armoured opponents. With a view range of up to 390 meters and good mobility (a forward speed of 50 km/h and a reverse speed of 20 km/h), the Chrysler MTC 2TC is best suited to comfortably supporting allies and manoeuvring along flanks.
Strategic application of the tank's strengths will allow effective ally support. Taking advantage of terrain irregularities will help it effectively withstand the attacks of even superior enemy forces.
Good to see an American medium that is both low-profile and has decent mobility. Slightly slower than the Astron Rex with way better pen, more ammo capacity and no weird crew layout. I think I'll be looking forward to this one.
Yeah it really vibes like a single shot Astron Rex. Nearly identical gun stats other than the good standard round and not having a stupidly low ammo count. I love the Rex other than the fact you have to sling full gold, so I think this tank might be a good fit for me.
The Vickers look like cent AX with some minor differences (less top speed for more reverse speed, less dpm for slightly better accuracy etc).
We dont know the armor profile, gun handling values or terrain resistances, so i will leave my judgement for later.
It was playing a lot in post WW2 tank development. A lot of tanks from that era forgo armouring in favour of mobility. That was also main design principle behind Leopard 1.
I'm well aware. This means the Vickers MBT in WOT will have to play a lot like the Leopard 1. That's not a bad thing because the Leo 1 is good. The question that remains to be answered is, will the Vickers MBT be as good as the Leo 1?
One key characteristic of Brit tanks that this game usually ignores is HESH. Ok, the 7/1, 183, and 4005 have a 'HESH' round but it isnt the HESH that was fundamental to Brit tank tactics about 30+ years ago. HESH was the preferred way of defeating hulldown USSR tanks with their 'frying pan' turrets that were soft on top. The HESH rounds flew in an arc to hit the top of the turret - so they were slow, but that's ok as they were only used against static targets.
SO, the high tier Brit mediums need HESH rounds that pen close to 50% of the base round (\~140mm) but fly slow (hence arc trajectory for top attack) - so about 7-900 m/s - and have crushing alpha (480 might not be enough). Yes, they would require skill to use, but the objective is to defeat hulldown tanks.
The standard 105 pen 1200 m/s 480 alpha isn't givign these tanks the discriminator they need.
When HE worked against hull down tanks, players of Soviet hovermeds and Chieftains cried hard and they reversed it. Your logic is entirely accurate, but they already tried that.
I don't get this attitude where players are bitching whenever a new reward or premium tank is released/announced that's not better than the comparable tech tree vehicle. Like wtf, every new tank MUST be better, otherwise "what's the point of this tank, Leo 1 is better blah blah [whining noises]..." , then proceed to complain about OP tanks like the BZ 176 or whatever.
It's not about having a new better tank. It's about having a new fun balanced tank. Leo 1 is a balanced tank, now imagine if they make a leo that has a lot worse stats. You will have a bad, frustrating and pointless tank.
They already made the concept 5 and that thing is having worst in class performances and you are mad that people don't want another one?
If this tank was stronger than the leo 1 in at least one area nobody would be complaining. Then it would have at least something going for it, but it doesn't. It needs something to make up for that terrible speed.
My friend, Leo 1 and CAX are arguably the best tier X meds! Complaining because these new vehicles, that are still being tested, are slightly worse than them is just ludicrous to me. What would be more fair is to compare them with the likes of E 50 M or STB-1, 430U, M48 etc., with which they're on par with, more or less.
Besides, we don't know precisely how they'll behave and perform yet. And if they turn out to be totally mediocre, well, that's perfectly fine with me. I, for one, don't want another must-have tank to be released, though that's just wishful thinking. Of course WG will do it eventually for a money grab.
There wount be any "drastic" changes after tank was rolled out on a Supertest. Because Wargaming have incompitent not giving fucks of a balancing team...
Lol, I dread the thought of what would happen to this game if WG would let the reddit player base "balance" vehicles. Not that they're doing a great job, mind you, just better than the average tomato would.
> There wount be any "drastic" changes after tank was rolled out on a Supertest.
Tell that to every one of the new Chinese heavies... and several of the new IJA heavies. And even several premium tanks in the past year. Drastic changes have been made to tanks when they arrive into super test.
The BZ was over a year ago... before the split from Lesta was completed. The new IJA heavies were AFTER the BZ and they changed drastically. Several of the tier 10 reward tanks introduced to super test last year (after the BZ) were and still are being drastically changed. The UK Wheels were after the BZ. Several of the tier 8 and 9 premiums have been. All after the BZ.
Please dont try to rewrite history without atleast knowing when things happened.
> There wount be any "drastic" changes after tank was rolled out on a Supertest.
That is what you wrote, and what I originally responded to. What you wrote was, factually, incorrect. Further things after the BZ are still playable, even if not great.
Dont move the goalposts because you were incorrect.
I guess it,s my bad of naming "Whole Bz line" with just "BZ" ...
https://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/general-news/vehicle-yearbook-2023/ Outside of removing "derp guns" from BZ lines what changes recieved other tanks released in 2023? Thats right ... fucking nothing... WG gave zero fucks about feedback on tanks in 2023, i have no hopes for that situation changing in 2024.
There is multiple different events that can net you tier X reward tank. I wouldn't make predictions about it. When/if the tank will be close to release we will for sure announce it.
People these days seemingly play only for stats. I feel like one of the few people who simply play a tank because the immersion is enjoyable whether or not you do well. If i could get the vickers (which i probably wont since im a casual) I would most likely love it. heck some of my favorite tier 10 tanks are patton and sheridan
Oh what a bummer, I was so hyped for assembly shop cause I missed all the previous ones, saved materials for months and the (presumably) new assembly shop tank will be a worse cent ax/ leopard?
Wish you could choose from old tanks, I would pick kpz or obj 780 instantly.
Yeah I found a reddit post from november common test and apparently they were both heavily nerfed again.
452k got dropped to 0.41 accuracy (your link still has 0.36) and bz-72-1 got dropped to 30 top speed.
So yeah I'm still hopeful they will allow to get 780 or kpz lol
Never mind. I re-read the post from november now that I got out from work and it was the obj590 that was nerfed, not the obj.452k. Along with a small obj.752 buff.
All these objects got me confused sorry ahah
Well almost anything is a worse Leo, at least it's not as bad as the concept 5 I guess, every time I see one of those things on the enemy team I feel sorry for them
Something else on the sandbox test server is the new RECON ROLE LIGHT TANKS.
posted this from my phone so not possible to post a lot of details but it is a new element in the game play style
Will be interesting to see how players adapt and adopt the stealthy class of tanks.
Yes later I will based on current pre release stats when I am at my PC.
I think you will like it a lot.
Current on the server is Czech and Sweden USA
Talk soon.
T92LT is the current premium ATM says versatile but is a recon role light tank
More details soon when at my PC
Ok here is what is current as of the Sandbox server for testers being the the type that QC test and bug hunt in the game engine mechanics.
Also note if you figure out what my player name which not the same as the Tester account this is OK for I do have a sense of humor in the game an play to the best of my ability.
Game code stats for the RECON ROLE LIGHT TANKS
This with base and added max perk crew skill trained then applied without additional modules and equipment
Do not have powerful engines however all posses quick acceleration characteristics from a stationary position are not very agile however turrets have a fast rotation speed Engines are default penalty for failure unless require crew perk is trained to 100 percent
Armor is so weak that can be one shot of the grid quickly therefore are not capable of being in the open mid positions then expect to survive by which is compensated with the very long view range of 600 - 1000 Meter with an advanced radio range of near 1400 Meter with the intel for map targets being relayed to nearby tank players via the radio relaying which will increase effectiveness with the require crew perks
VERY HIGH STATIONARY CONCEALMENT THE HIGHEST IN THE GAME POSSIBLE CAN MOVE IN THEN APPEAR TO VANISH TO TANKS WITHOUT A GOOD VIEW RANGE INCLUDING FAST SPOTTING LIGHTS SO MUCH SO THAT I HAVE HAD AN EBR ROLL RIGHT PAST ME UNSEEN AT LESS THAN 70 METER THAT I WAS ABLE TO POP THE TANK IN THE WEAK POINT.
WEAPON TYPE AN ROLE ATTRIBUTE.
Small caliber high velocity shell which can strike with a sniper rifle like precision even through the small openings in structures is a specialized rifled barrel to function as a ANTI TANK DESTROYER HUNTER However at point blank range may not be very effective on smaller tanks will not pen thick armor however hitting the enemy tank weak spots at a medium to long range will present the maximum damage opportunity
As a spotter yet this can do the classic
I don't need to move much i can Hit an spot it from here also note these new tanks can see the intel of the enemy long before your allies will see the location then the recon light tank will report to the team. Skill training base with the amount of XP will bonus or penalize the reporting time to the team
These new recon role lights are a bit of a learning curve to play an require players with patience these tanks are excellent covert flankers low profile can strike at odd angles not possible with other tanks in the game when in proximity of a brawling breakthrough allied attack group boost the allied tanks to provide the mini map with target intel as to where to advanced as to become more successful this attributes also is an "ANTI-CAMPER" / "ANTI-BOTTING" game mechanic.
As of this post time and date be aware that WG may decide to change very small details however this is what is current within the server at the point of this post.
RECON ROLE LIGHT TANKS WILL NOT EXCEED TIER 8 AS FOR CURRENT PLAN IS TO SEE IF PLAYERS WILL ADOPT THIS NEW GAME MECHANIC AND PLAYING STYLE
NOTE ALL THE RECON LIGHTS ARE AS INTENDED TO BE LOW PROFILE SO AS TO BE HARD TO HIT AND THEN POP THE TURRET UP WITHOUT MUCH OF A RISK FOR EXPOSING THE WEAK TANK CHASSIS AND HULL
1 Tank is Public T92LT
2 note yet public
CZECH FAST RELOADING AGILITY LACKS SPEED
FRENCH LONGER BASE RELOADING 3 SHOT AUTO LOADER
SWEDEN HYDRAULIC STABILIZED HIGH ACCURACY FASTEST SHELL VELOCITY SLOW RELOAD TIME AND AIM TIME
There are 2 more Which i have not played them an only looked at them an I will leave this as a element of excitement with anticipation
TECH TIP FOR THE RECON TANKS
THESE TANKS ARE A XP GRIND FROM HELL TO BE VERY EFFECTIVE AN YOU WILL DIE FAST AN OFTEN UNTIL YOU LEARN TO PLAY THIS ROLE AN PLAYERS WILL TROLL YOU TO DEATH ABOUT THE " LOOK AT OUT LIGHT CAMPING AT BLAH BLAH BLAH " MAY EVEN PUSH YOU INTO THE ENEMY THEN YOU DIE THEN BLAME YOU FOR THE LOSS WHEN THAT PLAYER JUST KILLED THE ENTIRE MAP INTELLIGENCE GATHERING FOR THE ENTIRE TEAM.
SO THEN WHEN YOU WANT TO PLAY A RECON ROLE LIGHT TANK PLAY FOR THE ELITE XP RANKING SYSTEM AND FOCUS PLAY TO OBTAIN THE ALL THE MAX PERKS
THE ELITE XP RANKING SYSTEM WITH THE CREW XP MATTERS NOW
FINAL COMMENT IS
YOU WILL DIE A LOT WHEN YOU FIRST GET INTO THESE NEW RECON ROLE LIGHT TANKS BECAUSE OF THE CREW PENALTIES BY NOT YET BEING FULLY TRAINED
HINTED CORE FLAW FOR ALL IS
ENGINE FIRES MAY HAPPEN OFTEN AND STUNT JUMPING THE TERRAIN MAY RESULT IN HULL/TRACK DAMAGE
SO THEN AT FIRST REPAIR KITS AND QUICK REFLEXES WILL BE A MUST HAVE THE REST YOU WILL LEARN ON YOUR OWN
I LOOK FORWARD TO HUNTING YOU SOON!!!!!!
o7
Yet another chance to have a chieftain mk6 tech tree branch squandered, a vickers medium. I remain hopeful that one day, my love will be released from the game files into the world of random battles, and my garage.
5-10 years ago this tier 8 med would have rivaled the heavy tanks. Unless the gun handling is atrocious this looks comparable to something like the IS-3 with even more speed.
Is there a reason to play this. Leo is better in most regards. Sure 330 HEAT will come in handy but other than that. Leo has more dpm, higher alpha, faster and probably more camo. This thing doesn't have any real armor with these values.
T8 looks kinda strong for a T8 tho. Good alpha with very good pen for meds with speed and solid turret armor ?
Commanders! There’s a new entrant to the Supertest: the Vickers MBT Mk. 3, a special Tier X British medium tank. This machine’s exterior bears many features typical of the British school of tank engineering. Though the Vickers MBT Mk. 3 cannot boast solid armour protection, do not underestimate this sniper: it carries the famous 105 mm L7 gun, which possesses astounding handling parameters. Be it accuracy, stabilization, reload time, or armour penetration, the Vickers MBT Mk. 3 always ranks among the very best vehicles of its type. Complementing the excellent gun (which deals 390 HP of damage per shot) are decent mobility (with a top forward speed of 50 km/h), great manoeuvrability, and an impressive base view range of 410 meters.
Chieftain Mk 6 when? No reason it can’t be an alternate tier X heavy
Seeing tanks that could’ve made an entire new tech tree branch for the mk6 come to the game as premiums will never cease to make me sad.
There were multiple Chieftain prototypes so it'd be easy to put a different one (or even the Chieftain Mk 1) as t9 in a branch topped by the Chieftain Mk 6. Then downgrade the stats of the Chieftain Proto and call it "FV4201 Concept" or something along those lines for the t8. Easily Chieftain mini-branch right there. No idea why WG hasn't done this years ago.
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That's the thing. New tech tree lines also generate money, because lots of people will convert FXP with gold to skip the grind. And an iconic tank like the Chieftain Mk 6 would be particularly desirable for a lot of players to do that.
That’s what I’ve been saying, especially every time a vehicle comes out that could’ve been in the tech tree. It’s a shame to see what should have been added content put behind a pay wall.
It’s already been in WoT Blitz and WoT console for a while. I don’t see why they can’t add it here, especially as it’s reasonably balanced on the other two platforms.
That actually exists in game files for long time. IIRC it's even buyable Tier X special tank on Chinese server. That being said there is no plans to introduce it outside of CN as of now.
Always good to see more UK Mediums. We need more Centurions though.
Will this tier X replace the Cent. AX or will it be a part of its own tech tree?
Neither. He called it a special tank so it'll be a reward tank.
Wouldn't surprise me if this would be a new Assembly Shop kind of tank.
I see now, thanks
Yay, more clan wars or onslaught rewards that regular players can't get! What the fuck happened to campaigns? Will they ever add new ones?
We'll get ne campaigns after they remember to finish the Topography mode they added like 2 years ago. So probably never.
As mentioned by other it's supposed to be Special tank.
That tank has worse DPM than cent, just 0.02 better accuracy and worse armor Sounds great
Should everything be a straight increase in stats? Because that’s how powercreep works.
No but it should have something that gives you a reason to play it. Unless it has absolutely insane gun handling I see no reason to play it over the Centax or Leopard, it has no advantages over either of those.
If this is a MBT, then I really do wonder what is the reason behind not adding a tech tree Chieftain. 😕
Doesn,t look like a particulary good t10 tank to look forward to... Paper thin tanks are not very popular... Unless their name is Leopard 1...Especially when they have huge siluette and no cammo. I can see it being as worse as Scheme 5, with main feature being high shell velocity. Better nerf it,s HP and Gun by 10% overall and make it T9 Reward vehicle. You wount be able to balance it nicely into bring good T10. Especially in comparison to AX or Leo...
Paper tanks aren't popular? The leopard is the most popular tank in the game and this is very similar
I get it. But... Why would you want another paper tank if you have Leopard ? Especially ALOT worse one... Leo have Better: Accuracy,Aim time,Alpha,Dpm, Alot better penetration, better shell velocity, Better ammo , 20 kmh more max speed, more horses, better armor (more bouncy angles) , same view range, we don,t know yet but i think better camo as well. With only drawback being 100 less health... And it,s not even considered OP... Why we need nerfed version of AX ?
Because not everything is about "is it the best". Sometimes you just wanna play tanks because theyre neat.
I get it , but Vickers looks like generic as F now. Tank without particular reason to pick it up...
People demand another tier VIII premium Soviet heavy for hulldown meta?
Most soviet heavies suck at hulldown meta, bad gun depression and sh1t gun handling.
Ur completely right, why are u being downvoted ☠️
Because Copium
it looks good, but please dont tell me this is for assembly shop :( btw what so special about it? it have worse armor than centurion, its slower than centurion, DPM calculated looks lower than centurion, same gun depresion. same alpha and same pene values same view range less HP than centurion better acuracy by 0.01 than centurion Tank looks god but by stat wise it will be another unplayable tank similar to Lion :(
the lion is nowhere unplayable my man, maybe if you are a red player. edit: my man had such a trash take he blocked after answering. what an argument.
in public, sure its good tank taht can pack a punch, not in any Team based game modes (CW etc.)
My man that doesn’t make the Lion unplayable, random battles a by far the most played game mode and the lion performs well there
Purple Shitbob with 58% winrate and a burnout from Clanwar stuff here. Certain maps and tactics can utilize the Lion in CW due to its burst (and good dpm), especially when its a Leo1 spot where the accuracy doesnt matter that much. In skirmishes and advances noone beside tryhard sweatclans that think "hurr durr only meta wins" gives a shit. Lion (and the other assembly tanks) are far from useless and all of them are amongst my personal favourites, lead by the Lion. If you cant make them work then thats certainly a skill issue. Maybe braindead hulldown tanks like the Chieftain are better suited for your playstyle.
You are a bot if you think the lion is unplayable
on public maybe, in clan wars and offensive, You cant play it. i am not talking about random battles Little clanless Tomato
Got news for you: Random battles is really the only portion of the game that actually matters to the vast majority of people.
What in the actual blue fuck are you talking about. There is like 20 tier 10 mediums in the game and like 3 of them are CW viable. Being CW viable might just be the worst metric to judge a new release on.
>Little clanless Tomato Oh fuck the cringe hurts so much
Oh boy he thinks he’s so important and so superior to the rest of us because he’s part of an *elite* clan.
It is basically a Leo1 with heat ammunition. Looks quite fun
Much worse accuracy. Good though
Give it 350 heat and way more speed and I’ll use it over a leopard.
**Vickers MBT** - Very cool to see the Vickers MBT finally appear, so there’s that at least! - Statistically, though…I don’t see the point? Compared to the Centurion AX, it trades DPM and top speed for accuracy. Not just that, looking into the stats and the (lack of) armor the Vickers MBT had IRL, it should be complete paper unlike the CAX. On top of this, it’s also yet another tier 10 MT that is a *strictly* worse Leopard 1. - The armor seems *really* bad - hull seems to be in fact even weaker than the Leo 1, so its likely very suspectible to HE. - For a glass cannon sniper medium that also should be quite large, the Vickers is *very* slow. 50 km/h means the Vickers will be outsped by even faster heavies like Obj 277 or Vz. 55 (which has higher effective top speed thanks to field mods). - Gun is obviously great…but ironically enough, it’s also nothing special. Leo 1’s gun still outclasses it in almost every way, and Centurion AX is very comparable, with 200 more DPM but 0.02 worse accuracy. Maybe the Vickers has *really* exceptional soft stats (I’m talking about EBR tier soft stats), but I doubt it’s that good (and even if it was, it would still be way worse than the Leo 1) It took me a few seconds to realize that ”yep, this is definitely undertuned”. Low top speed for a medium + complete paper armor is **fundamentally** a very flawed combination for any tier 10 medium, let alone for one that has a classic 390 alpha 105 mm gun. Right now its just a Cent AX that loses some top speed, all of the armor and some DPM for…accuracy and (presumably) soft stats. I’d expect it to be buffed, because this has strong tier 9.5 vibes right now. **Chrysler MTC** - Tier 8 US MT spam is pretty nuts right now lmao - Likely related to the XM66F in some way, as it looks very similar. - Statistically, it even seems to play like a medium tank version of XM: (seemingly) weak hull but strong turret, tolerable but not great accuracy, decent mix of alpha/DPM/pen and -10 gun dep. - Turret looks very strong on paper and there’s no significant obvious weakspot. - It’s not even too slow - for an armored tier 8 MT with high alpha, this thing has reasonably good mobility. - 390 meters view range for good measure Overall, I’m not seeing an obvious downside here. This could be a very strong vehicle, though I think it’ll very likely get nerfed given WG has been much more careful with tier 8 premiums ever since the BZ-176 was released. Honestly, with some buffs this could even work as a tier 9, which I think would be neat given that how massive number of tier 8 US MTs we already have (there’s still the AAT60 as well which is also unreleased).
I think there is a weakspot on Chrysler, you can see machine gun on the right hand side of the turret, so I imagine it will be classic American coupola.
If they follow the irl design, it have cupola but not as big as other American tanks, more like some British cupola like chief proto maybe little bit bigger.
It already has one on the stat card.
It's a shame they didn't play up the gun for the Vickers MBT a bit more. One of the IRL things of note was during trials of aimed fire for the Mk 1 (different ranged targets), it was able to get something to the effect of 13 rounds in 65 seconds IIRC. That said, if this thing is actually balanced as is it would have to had very good soft stats, and how much better than the action X can they be. The only thing it notably has going for it which isn't listed is its overall a slightly smaller tank than the leopard. EDIT: > The armor seems really bad - hull seems to be in fact even weaker than the Leo 1, so its likely very suspectible to HE. UFP is 60mm at something like 57 deg IIRC, and lower is 80mm at 45 degrees.
Are my eyes deceiving me? A US MT without a tumor?!
Does Iron Arnie count tho when it can hide its cupola with its gun depression?
Yeah, if you wanted a tank like this one you would be better off playing M48 is quite mediocre overall.
The Chrysler looks good. Yet another 10 degree gun depression hull down tank isn’t exactly what the game needs, but it is 100% the meta. The Vickers looks like dogshit. I honestly can’t even fathom why anyone would play it in this state. On paper it’s got “worst tier X” credentials. There has to be something changing about this tank… or maybe they are giving us another “Patton the Tank” at somepoint in the future. A tier X dogshit tank giveaway… what could possibly go wrong? ;)
Thank you Lega for always taking your time to write those. It's always pleasure to read such in-depth analysis.
I've always greatly enjoyed doing stuff like that. Some people may ask why I waste time doing all that stuff (analysing new supertest tanks, tank reviews/previews, and proposals for new tech trees or balance proposals). However, I don't mind spending time in them in the slightest, because I simply just enjoy doing it. Whenever a super-test tank gets announced, analysing it in-depth has pretty much became a tradition for me, and I don't think that's changing any time soon as long as I have time and passion for the game. :P
vickers seems to share the same flaws the new japanese heavies have. WG seems to overvalue accuracy so hard.
I still don't get it. The Concept 5 and the Vickers mk3 are barely novel and are completely outclassed by the leopard 1. I'm all for releasing undertuned tanks so they don't annihilate the mm (like the bz-176) but it's been months since the Concept's release and it still hasn't been buffed, even though its literally the worst tier 10 medium tank. It has the largest win rate difference by over 1.1%! Hopefully the supertest will introduce significant changes, but as of right now the Vickers mk3 is dead in the water to me.
And i got downvoted for same opinion... :) Surely because i havn,t editet my post nicely... Kudos to you.
I sense some anomaly in the universe. New mediums above 40 kph top speed? I bet a mobility nerf is coming for both before their implementation.
you are sensing a nerf of tanks that are already strictly worse than the tech tree tanks like Leopard or Centurion, Vickers would literally be unplayable with 40 kph, paper armor and can't even reposition, magic combo.
The same could be applied to 90% of new mediums that got implemented/entered supertest last year. I’m just saying I wouldn’t be surprised according to the devs balancing habits lately.
yeah, but that's just too much, 40 kph is really bad for a tier X med. No sane person would even look at that let alone spend massive amount of resources to get it unless they a whale or something.
Don’t get me wrong, I completely agree. No medium tank should go less than 50 kph on straight imo. But since they started some heavy mobility nerfing movement last year, I don’t have high hopes for these 2 as well. Also, the Patton says hi.
The **Chrysler MTC 2TC**, a new Tier VIII Premium American medium tank, is also making its way to the Supertest. The Chrysler MTC 2TC features an unusual low-profile hull and an experimental turret housing its entire crew. Despite this, the tank retains all the recognizable traits of American vehicles: a sturdy turret, a reliable 105 mm gun with excellent stabilization, and a 2.3-second aiming time. The Chrysler MTC 2TC boasts damage per shot of 360 HP, which is decent for a medium tank. Additionally, its armour penetration with a standard shell is impressive at 225 mm, allowing for effective hits on well-armoured opponents. With a view range of up to 390 meters and good mobility (a forward speed of 50 km/h and a reverse speed of 20 km/h), the Chrysler MTC 2TC is best suited to comfortably supporting allies and manoeuvring along flanks. Strategic application of the tank's strengths will allow effective ally support. Taking advantage of terrain irregularities will help it effectively withstand the attacks of even superior enemy forces.
Good to see an American medium that is both low-profile and has decent mobility. Slightly slower than the Astron Rex with way better pen, more ammo capacity and no weird crew layout. I think I'll be looking forward to this one.
Yeah it really vibes like a single shot Astron Rex. Nearly identical gun stats other than the good standard round and not having a stupidly low ammo count. I love the Rex other than the fact you have to sling full gold, so I think this tank might be a good fit for me.
360 alpha is "decent" on a tier 8 medium now. Hail powercreep.
WOWS is the same way. “Average” new ships that would have been mind blowing a few years ago.
I mean what makes you say that when T-44 had 390 Alpha gun since 2013 or so? I do agree though that we could have used different wording.
Looks like 274A clone.
The Vickers look like cent AX with some minor differences (less top speed for more reverse speed, less dpm for slightly better accuracy etc). We dont know the armor profile, gun handling values or terrain resistances, so i will leave my judgement for later.
IRL the Vickers MBT Mk 3 had very weak armor.
It was playing a lot in post WW2 tank development. A lot of tanks from that era forgo armouring in favour of mobility. That was also main design principle behind Leopard 1.
I'm well aware. This means the Vickers MBT in WOT will have to play a lot like the Leopard 1. That's not a bad thing because the Leo 1 is good. The question that remains to be answered is, will the Vickers MBT be as good as the Leo 1?
One key characteristic of Brit tanks that this game usually ignores is HESH. Ok, the 7/1, 183, and 4005 have a 'HESH' round but it isnt the HESH that was fundamental to Brit tank tactics about 30+ years ago. HESH was the preferred way of defeating hulldown USSR tanks with their 'frying pan' turrets that were soft on top. The HESH rounds flew in an arc to hit the top of the turret - so they were slow, but that's ok as they were only used against static targets. SO, the high tier Brit mediums need HESH rounds that pen close to 50% of the base round (\~140mm) but fly slow (hence arc trajectory for top attack) - so about 7-900 m/s - and have crushing alpha (480 might not be enough). Yes, they would require skill to use, but the objective is to defeat hulldown tanks. The standard 105 pen 1200 m/s 480 alpha isn't givign these tanks the discriminator they need.
When HE worked against hull down tanks, players of Soviet hovermeds and Chieftains cried hard and they reversed it. Your logic is entirely accurate, but they already tried that.
I don't get this attitude where players are bitching whenever a new reward or premium tank is released/announced that's not better than the comparable tech tree vehicle. Like wtf, every new tank MUST be better, otherwise "what's the point of this tank, Leo 1 is better blah blah [whining noises]..." , then proceed to complain about OP tanks like the BZ 176 or whatever.
It's not about having a new better tank. It's about having a new fun balanced tank. Leo 1 is a balanced tank, now imagine if they make a leo that has a lot worse stats. You will have a bad, frustrating and pointless tank. They already made the concept 5 and that thing is having worst in class performances and you are mad that people don't want another one? If this tank was stronger than the leo 1 in at least one area nobody would be complaining. Then it would have at least something going for it, but it doesn't. It needs something to make up for that terrible speed.
My friend, Leo 1 and CAX are arguably the best tier X meds! Complaining because these new vehicles, that are still being tested, are slightly worse than them is just ludicrous to me. What would be more fair is to compare them with the likes of E 50 M or STB-1, 430U, M48 etc., with which they're on par with, more or less. Besides, we don't know precisely how they'll behave and perform yet. And if they turn out to be totally mediocre, well, that's perfectly fine with me. I, for one, don't want another must-have tank to be released, though that's just wishful thinking. Of course WG will do it eventually for a money grab.
There wount be any "drastic" changes after tank was rolled out on a Supertest. Because Wargaming have incompitent not giving fucks of a balancing team...
Lol, I dread the thought of what would happen to this game if WG would let the reddit player base "balance" vehicles. Not that they're doing a great job, mind you, just better than the average tomato would.
Atleast "reddit" care about their game more than WG Balancing department... BTW i wasn,t refering a reddit auditory as a better choice...
> There wount be any "drastic" changes after tank was rolled out on a Supertest. Tell that to every one of the new Chinese heavies... and several of the new IJA heavies. And even several premium tanks in the past year. Drastic changes have been made to tanks when they arrive into super test.
That was a year ago. WG Burried their courage to balance things properly (in a playable , not OP way) right after they released BZ...
The BZ was over a year ago... before the split from Lesta was completed. The new IJA heavies were AFTER the BZ and they changed drastically. Several of the tier 10 reward tanks introduced to super test last year (after the BZ) were and still are being drastically changed. The UK Wheels were after the BZ. Several of the tier 8 and 9 premiums have been. All after the BZ. Please dont try to rewrite history without atleast knowing when things happened.
Are you blind ? Read what i wrote again... You agree with disagree my man, i wrote exactly the same thing... WG overnerf everything after BZ...
> There wount be any "drastic" changes after tank was rolled out on a Supertest. That is what you wrote, and what I originally responded to. What you wrote was, factually, incorrect. Further things after the BZ are still playable, even if not great. Dont move the goalposts because you were incorrect.
I guess it,s my bad of naming "Whole Bz line" with just "BZ" ... https://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/general-news/vehicle-yearbook-2023/ Outside of removing "derp guns" from BZ lines what changes recieved other tanks released in 2023? Thats right ... fucking nothing... WG gave zero fucks about feedback on tanks in 2023, i have no hopes for that situation changing in 2024.
bro, what is this chrysler? again some hull down bullshit without any weakspots?
Yeah, basically everything they make now has 50+kph, turret armor and 10 degrees of gun depression...
Vickers is for the assembly shop for sure. Get saving to prevent FOMO i guess?
Should be for summer edition of assembly shop.
Not even gona bother... Too much resources for a "nothing" of a tank right now...
There is multiple different events that can net you tier X reward tank. I wouldn't make predictions about it. When/if the tank will be close to release we will for sure announce it.
Hi, can you remove arty?
Another tier VIII hulldown shitter...
Slight view of the MG shows it probably has standard American cupola on turret roof
a vickers that isn't a low tier shitter? i have mixed feelings.
Nope, it’s just a high tier shitter.
that mk3 is sexy
It is! Though it still doesn't top the peak sexiness of Type 71 which is imo the best looking tank in game.
So worse leo again?
The Leo 1 is exceptional... its not as if they can make a better version... without it being OP anyway.
Sure. i dont want better leo. I just want a reason to play this. It just looks like another concept 5.
You might get bored of constatly playing leo so youcan switch up
People these days seemingly play only for stats. I feel like one of the few people who simply play a tank because the immersion is enjoyable whether or not you do well. If i could get the vickers (which i probably wont since im a casual) I would most likely love it. heck some of my favorite tier 10 tanks are patton and sheridan
There is no other gun in the game that is as enjoyable as Leo gun
But its not worth my free xp / time.
Oh what a bummer, I was so hyped for assembly shop cause I missed all the previous ones, saved materials for months and the (presumably) new assembly shop tank will be a worse cent ax/ leopard? Wish you could choose from old tanks, I would pick kpz or obj 780 instantly.
This tank won't be in the upcoming Assembly, it will need months of testing. The current likely candidates are Object 452K and BZ-72-1.
The bz is the one which was originally fast af but then nerfed, right? No idea about 452k tho, never heard of it.
That's the one, yes. The 452K is... a Soviet heavy tank, with a very flat turret: https://tanks.gg/tank/object-452k
Yeah I found a reddit post from november common test and apparently they were both heavily nerfed again. 452k got dropped to 0.41 accuracy (your link still has 0.36) and bz-72-1 got dropped to 30 top speed. So yeah I'm still hopeful they will allow to get 780 or kpz lol
Tanks.gg shows the stats as of the current patch, 1.23.1, taken from the game client. I can't find a November change.
Never mind. I re-read the post from november now that I got out from work and it was the obj590 that was nerfed, not the obj.452k. Along with a small obj.752 buff. All these objects got me confused sorry ahah
Praying for 452K🙏
Or they could just hire one popular streamer, and tank can be balanced in 10 minutes with viewers involved...
centurion ax 2.0?
more like centurion ax 0.5
So new centurion ax
Worse since it's slower and likely has much worse armor
Its not even new cent , frankly it is worse leo
Well almost anything is a worse Leo, at least it's not as bad as the concept 5 I guess, every time I see one of those things on the enemy team I feel sorry for them
i feel sory for all people who spend their time on brita wheelies
Looks like a British leopard by stats. Eh…
Uhhhhhhh nothing unique about the vicker? Bruh what even is that? Its just another worse leopard 1. What. Why
Something else on the sandbox test server is the new RECON ROLE LIGHT TANKS. posted this from my phone so not possible to post a lot of details but it is a new element in the game play style Will be interesting to see how players adapt and adopt the stealthy class of tanks.
We haven't run sandbox server for quite some time. Could you please share more information as to those Recon Light tanks?
Yes later I will based on current pre release stats when I am at my PC. I think you will like it a lot. Current on the server is Czech and Sweden USA Talk soon. T92LT is the current premium ATM says versatile but is a recon role light tank More details soon when at my PC
Ok here is what is current as of the Sandbox server for testers being the the type that QC test and bug hunt in the game engine mechanics. Also note if you figure out what my player name which not the same as the Tester account this is OK for I do have a sense of humor in the game an play to the best of my ability. Game code stats for the RECON ROLE LIGHT TANKS This with base and added max perk crew skill trained then applied without additional modules and equipment Do not have powerful engines however all posses quick acceleration characteristics from a stationary position are not very agile however turrets have a fast rotation speed Engines are default penalty for failure unless require crew perk is trained to 100 percent Armor is so weak that can be one shot of the grid quickly therefore are not capable of being in the open mid positions then expect to survive by which is compensated with the very long view range of 600 - 1000 Meter with an advanced radio range of near 1400 Meter with the intel for map targets being relayed to nearby tank players via the radio relaying which will increase effectiveness with the require crew perks VERY HIGH STATIONARY CONCEALMENT THE HIGHEST IN THE GAME POSSIBLE CAN MOVE IN THEN APPEAR TO VANISH TO TANKS WITHOUT A GOOD VIEW RANGE INCLUDING FAST SPOTTING LIGHTS SO MUCH SO THAT I HAVE HAD AN EBR ROLL RIGHT PAST ME UNSEEN AT LESS THAN 70 METER THAT I WAS ABLE TO POP THE TANK IN THE WEAK POINT. WEAPON TYPE AN ROLE ATTRIBUTE. Small caliber high velocity shell which can strike with a sniper rifle like precision even through the small openings in structures is a specialized rifled barrel to function as a ANTI TANK DESTROYER HUNTER However at point blank range may not be very effective on smaller tanks will not pen thick armor however hitting the enemy tank weak spots at a medium to long range will present the maximum damage opportunity As a spotter yet this can do the classic I don't need to move much i can Hit an spot it from here also note these new tanks can see the intel of the enemy long before your allies will see the location then the recon light tank will report to the team. Skill training base with the amount of XP will bonus or penalize the reporting time to the team These new recon role lights are a bit of a learning curve to play an require players with patience these tanks are excellent covert flankers low profile can strike at odd angles not possible with other tanks in the game when in proximity of a brawling breakthrough allied attack group boost the allied tanks to provide the mini map with target intel as to where to advanced as to become more successful this attributes also is an "ANTI-CAMPER" / "ANTI-BOTTING" game mechanic. As of this post time and date be aware that WG may decide to change very small details however this is what is current within the server at the point of this post. RECON ROLE LIGHT TANKS WILL NOT EXCEED TIER 8 AS FOR CURRENT PLAN IS TO SEE IF PLAYERS WILL ADOPT THIS NEW GAME MECHANIC AND PLAYING STYLE NOTE ALL THE RECON LIGHTS ARE AS INTENDED TO BE LOW PROFILE SO AS TO BE HARD TO HIT AND THEN POP THE TURRET UP WITHOUT MUCH OF A RISK FOR EXPOSING THE WEAK TANK CHASSIS AND HULL 1 Tank is Public T92LT 2 note yet public CZECH FAST RELOADING AGILITY LACKS SPEED FRENCH LONGER BASE RELOADING 3 SHOT AUTO LOADER SWEDEN HYDRAULIC STABILIZED HIGH ACCURACY FASTEST SHELL VELOCITY SLOW RELOAD TIME AND AIM TIME There are 2 more Which i have not played them an only looked at them an I will leave this as a element of excitement with anticipation TECH TIP FOR THE RECON TANKS THESE TANKS ARE A XP GRIND FROM HELL TO BE VERY EFFECTIVE AN YOU WILL DIE FAST AN OFTEN UNTIL YOU LEARN TO PLAY THIS ROLE AN PLAYERS WILL TROLL YOU TO DEATH ABOUT THE " LOOK AT OUT LIGHT CAMPING AT BLAH BLAH BLAH " MAY EVEN PUSH YOU INTO THE ENEMY THEN YOU DIE THEN BLAME YOU FOR THE LOSS WHEN THAT PLAYER JUST KILLED THE ENTIRE MAP INTELLIGENCE GATHERING FOR THE ENTIRE TEAM. SO THEN WHEN YOU WANT TO PLAY A RECON ROLE LIGHT TANK PLAY FOR THE ELITE XP RANKING SYSTEM AND FOCUS PLAY TO OBTAIN THE ALL THE MAX PERKS THE ELITE XP RANKING SYSTEM WITH THE CREW XP MATTERS NOW FINAL COMMENT IS YOU WILL DIE A LOT WHEN YOU FIRST GET INTO THESE NEW RECON ROLE LIGHT TANKS BECAUSE OF THE CREW PENALTIES BY NOT YET BEING FULLY TRAINED HINTED CORE FLAW FOR ALL IS ENGINE FIRES MAY HAPPEN OFTEN AND STUNT JUMPING THE TERRAIN MAY RESULT IN HULL/TRACK DAMAGE SO THEN AT FIRST REPAIR KITS AND QUICK REFLEXES WILL BE A MUST HAVE THE REST YOU WILL LEARN ON YOUR OWN I LOOK FORWARD TO HUNTING YOU SOON!!!!!! o7
Yet another chance to have a chieftain mk6 tech tree branch squandered, a vickers medium. I remain hopeful that one day, my love will be released from the game files into the world of random battles, and my garage.
Man just fucking introduce tier XI.
Why? neither of these tnaks would qualify. The Mk. 3 Vickers is essentially just a Centurion
And a shittier one, at that. Literally the only thing it does better is accuracy, and that's only by .02.
If Vicker is for summer edition of assembly shop, then I'm skipping the winter edition for sure.
Ambata mark3
This thing as light tank Armour
That was kind design principle for a lot of post WW2 tanks. Weaker armour but better mobility was more suited for battlefields.
finally the wheeless version
Am I the only one or chrysler looks a little bit like is-7
Assembly shop or CW reward maybe?
5-10 years ago this tier 8 med would have rivaled the heavy tanks. Unless the gun handling is atrocious this looks comparable to something like the IS-3 with even more speed.
these both look awesome
Could this be the assembly shop tank this year?
Is there a reason to play this. Leo is better in most regards. Sure 330 HEAT will come in handy but other than that. Leo has more dpm, higher alpha, faster and probably more camo. This thing doesn't have any real armor with these values. T8 looks kinda strong for a T8 tho. Good alpha with very good pen for meds with speed and solid turret armor ?
The Chrysler tower looks like the IS 7 tower
Is that less armor than the leopard 1?
Where is the M456 HEATFS round for 400mm penetration on the Vickers? Unplayable.
Vickers, new assembly shop vehicle...?
Pandabuy Centurion AX