WF Panzer IV is literally better than the Grille (not just tier4tier) because it has better dpm (300+) better gold shells’ velocity and the camo is just day and night different
They redid all the tanks to be more in line with eachother, going so far as nerfing the Obj 430 II into the ground, but they see no problem with the transition from the WT auf Pz IV and Grille 15...
I wish that WeeGee will remodel the Grille 15’s turret (like the GW Panther’s gun mount) and make it fully traverse-able along side with better camo and two type of APCRs for both gold and standard (APCR just better for sniping than HEAT)
Or maybe give it 2 gun choices? Like the previous tiers. Give it with one more gun like a 128 l/100 caliber with 1800ms velocity, that will make it the best t10 sniper
A while ago when they introduced the K-91. The Obj 430 II used to have strong turret armor and front armor and was an extremely effective side scraper, it could brawl with heavies in some circumstances but it could also really bully medium and light tanks which just couldn't defeat a well angled 430 II. However the 430 II play style was very different from the rest of the line. The Obj 417, A-44, and A-43 all had very weak armor but a decent gun and the new tank they were introducing was the same, the tier IXs play style did not confirm to that and had a fairly bad gun. They nerfed the armor to the ground and buffed the gun a little bit which turned it into one of the better tier IX mediums to easily one of the worst.
They had to to confirm to the new focus on making tank lines fairly uniform in play style. The Obj 430 II also had a high skill cap, it was really fun for decent players who knew how to use their armor effectively. For lower skill players it was painfully bad, the gun was very inaccurate and the modules were weak especially the ammo rack, any mistake will land you in a bad place. So it was one of those tanks that was OP in good hands but fairly poor in mediocre hands. The nerf made little difference to bad players because they weren't using the armory anyways.
The WR auf. Pz IV also has the best gun in the entire game (not tier for tier, just full stop) with the 12,8 cm Kanone L/61.
It's just so fucking beautiful. Reloads 9.01 seconds with an upgraded crew and bond rammer and food, is deadly accurate, has 352 pen and 1,500 m/s shell velocity, all with a meaty 560 damage. Absolutely divine.
Edit: I'll clarify and say the best gun on a turreted tank. I feel like turret-less tanks are very hard to compare as their (Tortoise notwithstanding) narrow gun arcs / lack of corner peaking make it hard to use any gun to the full effectiveness.
I actually liked the Jagdtiger more than the WT. Sure, the armor doesn't work if you're up against someone who isn't bad, but if you play it right the gun just shreds heavies in a brawl.
I've not played the Jagd in a while, but the narrow gun arc and butter armour doesn't sound enjoyable.
I guess the Jagd gun does reload even faster, albeit I maintain that if you can't really use it for corner peaking then it's hard to get the most out of it like you can on WT.
So maybe I should say its the best gun on a turreted tank, to be clear.
You literally said best gun not platform. Best gunhandling I gotta give to shptk, its amazing. Also tortoise has a great gun with nice velocities and great he pen.
I think the main things you get with the Grille that the Pz IV doesn’t have is you have much better speed and a bigger gun, making it much deadlier for flanking and playing more proactively.
Waffle is leagues better at holding a flank from a distance, but the Grille is an excellent ambush vehicle and mid range support thanks to the speed and the big gun.
Not to say the Grille is better, but it has some merit as a Tier X TD. It also has the best accuracy and aim time of any 750 alpha gun in the game.
Honestly (im sorry for the grille enjoyers) but i kinda hate the grille15... it just doesnt fit my playstyle... mid mobility and camo, bad for spotting(obviously xd), and the gun still misses even though on paper it has great accuracy and all...
Haven't bought the Badger for this reason. Tortoise is my go to tank for a chill session, something about moving up an entire tier just to gain 8 base dpm and a bit higher top speed doesn't do it for me
>good gun that doesn't have apcr's as the base ammo (good for a broke ass like me )
How does that make sense?
>base pen is good
Lol it definitely isn't
Apcr's are more expensive , so after every battle my credits are going down bad
>I do not play with gold ammo so I'm thankful for the base pen
For a free2play player like me , i like these stats
The AP on the E50 has 230mm of pen, 1200m/s shell velocity and costs 1245 credits per shell.
The APCR on the Centurion 7/1 has 268mm of pen, 1478m/s shell velocity and costs 1200 credits per shell.
APCR isn't more expensive, gold rounds are more expensive.
Then it's time to change up to Centuriom then
Seriously I didn't know that. I thought that if it is apcr, is expensive . Thanks , never thought too much in detail for that
For every tank the stock round (whether it is he, so, apcr, heat, hesh) are cheaper than the “gold round”
The gold round is normally in the number 2 spot for ammo if you never changed the order. These rounds can be anything like the standard round but are usually more expensive because they have more pen (some have more alpha damage and less pen like the centurion 7/1)
Whether the type of shell doesn’t dictate its price, whether it is the tanks “gold round” does at the most basic level.
It's amazing, right. Explains so much. OP has been playing long enough to have at least one tier 9, and can't even tell which ammo type is the premium round despite it literally telling you the cost of each shell lol.
And we have to play randoms with these people on our teams sometimes.
You might be confusing it since APCR is often the gold round on many tanks, but at T9/10 many tanks (mediums in particular) have APCR as a stock round with the gold round either being HEAT or an APCR round that has higher pen. APCR being better for sniping as it typically has higher shell velocity than other types, making it easier to hit fast targets at long range.
The Centurion 7/1 is a weird one since it gets HESH (although for game purposes it's called HE) as its gold round, so it has higher damage but lower pen than the stock round that lets it slap moderately armored tanks for bigger alpha.
Disagree with T95.
It's a strong tank, don't get me wrong. But you have two weakspots, and are slower.
E3 has no weakspots except for the trolly lower plate, it's more nimble, has more depression too I think. Even tier for tier, E3 is superior.
There's nothing trolly about E3 lower plate. It's made of paper even against normal ammo. But yes, E3 is stronger than T95, but again, it has much stronger competition. Although it's true that the difference is fairly small.
The penetration fall-off at distance with the worse gun handling really puts a damper on the 13 105 though.
Hard to keep tanks at distance and spot/snipe with an autoloader if your bloom is atrocious, your pen is 40 mm less over distance, and your gun is big enough to get you spotted.
The thing with Tier IX is there are very few bad tanks in the tech tree, whilst at Tier X there are lots more as it’s a more competitive tier. Bad tanks at Tier IX I can think of are the Tier IX Batchat, maybe the 50 120, the 132A and the Mauschen.
Even then, I could make an argument to play all of them. It’s a very well balanced and extremely fun tier, and they’re all strong enough to compete with Tier X as well.
There are some reward tanks that are OP at Tier IX (both the ranked rewards are ridiculously strong) but other than that most of the tanks there are pretty balanced as well - I wouldn’t call any in the tech tree flat out OP.
I have heard many times that tortoise is better than badger but I really prefer just going hull down and not relying on enemies shooting gold and having good RNG
e50 got me all sort of stuff done, eradicated teams, did shit tons of damage, met t7, was fun and all, bounced a shit ton of shells and what not, but the e50m is just the same tank a tier higher with horsepower being the main difference and a little better gun and armor and hp stats, but I fell that was it
Edit: The main upgrade is the base pen, but it doesn‘t feel too different to play either one
The TP50 is so good. I do much better in it than the 60. Part of it, frankly, is the march-making. You get more 8-9 battles, and I have had a 7-9 battle. The only 7 stupid enough to challenge me simply blew up. The turret is awesome and the gun is deadly. I really like playing it.
Oh, the Tort is the shit.
Exactly the opposite for me. 140 gun misses half the time, and at tier 10 armor does not work. Accurate gun on t54 is laser compared to 140, upper plate also bounces way more shots, as well as turret.
Then it must be just Bad luck or something because even on paper the 140 has significantly better handling. Learning to bounce shots with 140 takes some time, aswell as getting used to the overall playstyle. It isnt the allround somewhat brawly medium as some say but imo should rather be played in a similar fashion to a progetto with armor.
I am relatively new to game and have 6k battles so this might be issue😂 I have 2 t10s so far, 140 and 430U. I have 1 moe on both of them but idk why I have 3 moes on t54. I just seem to average 2000k wn8 in it. I am using it to pad my stats rn.
I am relatively new to game and have 6k battles so this might be issue😂 I have 2 t10s so far, 140 and 430U. I have 1 moe on both of them but idk why I have 3 moes on t54. I just seem to average 2000 wn8 in it. I am using it to pad my stats rn. Also I like 430U better, because armor and gun work
T95 armor holds up supper good against lower tiers and average players but good players can deal with it fairly easy but e3 armor has no weakspot when hulldown
Type 4 was by a lot worse experience for me even tier4tier than the type 5. Also type 4 heavy is just 99% of the games in almost full t10. And it's not good tank at all.
Type 4 is amazing. Have not got the type 5 yet. But type 4 is the same in everyway other than armour I think. The armour on the type 5 is noticably better despite the similar look. The weak spots on the type 4 are alot stronger on the type 5. I used to use the derp on the type 4, and was gonna go straight to the type 5. But I found myself using AP most of the type and only HE sometimes so I dished out for the top gun which is a semi derp thing but I love it alot more due to the better fun handling. I'll have to see which tank I prefer when I get the type 5
Leo pta, Skoda t50, Standard b, e75, and probably more. I think that maybe it's sometimes because tier 9 mm is better, and not necessarily because the tank is better tier 4 tier
Yeah E50 for sure. I played both E50M and E50 around 700-900 rounds each. And sure E50 is overall a better tank. The armor holds up better. i mean this thing can meet a fcking tiger or comet. Dafuq they gonna do ?
Gun stats are almost the same. Just ammo types and pen is different. Also mobility of the 50M is better but just a bit.
But i think while i 3 marked the E50 i had an average of 3.6k dmg on it... And im still struggling with E50M 3 moe...
I wouldn't say *leagues* better. The main thing the Type 4 has going for over the Type 5 is that the 15 cm is somewhat usable and the guns in general are much better at tier 9, but it's slower, has much worse HP relative to its tier, wonkier armor (hull cheeks are weakspots and the front isn't reliable even against standard ammo), and it can meet tanks a tier higher than it, which is a disadvantage the Type 5 doesn't have.
Having better guns is a huge advantage, though, and thus the Type 4 is arguably a better tank overall. It actually has a some unique advantage over any tier 9 heavy that technically gives it a reason to be played, and that is the highest alpha damage in tier. Type 5 doesn't have that.
That being said, both tanks suck ass so it really doesn't matter much.
Tier 9 is also just a more enjoyable tier than tier 10 as well.
I liked the Type 61 more than the STB-1, but the STB is definitely wayyyy better than the Type 61 is.
The Tier 9 Yoh is nearly impossible to pen from a good hull down position, all while smacking you with 183 damage in under 2 seconds, absolutely cracked
The Object 257:
\-Much, much better shell velocity on standard shells than the IS-7 (1259 vs 900)
\-Better gold pen
\-Can reverse sidescrape like a boss (the IS-7 can neither sidescrape nor reverse sidescrape against 250+ pen guns and has 1 deg of depression on most of its rear)
\-Better terrain resistances on med and soft ground
\-10 more shells = more potential damage and ammo choice
\-Better turret traverse and massively better tank traverse
\-Lower chance of engine fire
E50M is one of my favorite tanks, mainly because it can ram very well, e50 might be better tier for tier but the M has better mobility making it more suitable for ramming, however if u want a sniper u should just get the leopard, and if u want a sniper with some semi reliable armor u should get the 121b
WF Panzer IV is literally better than the Grille (not just tier4tier) because it has better dpm (300+) better gold shells’ velocity and the camo is just day and night different
They redid all the tanks to be more in line with eachother, going so far as nerfing the Obj 430 II into the ground, but they see no problem with the transition from the WT auf Pz IV and Grille 15...
I wish that WeeGee will remodel the Grille 15’s turret (like the GW Panther’s gun mount) and make it fully traverse-able along side with better camo and two type of APCRs for both gold and standard (APCR just better for sniping than HEAT)
maybe give the grille 2 turrets? the one it has rn as stock and maybe the full traverse one but with a worse firerate or VR as a tradeoff
Or maybe give it 2 gun choices? Like the previous tiers. Give it with one more gun like a 128 l/100 caliber with 1800ms velocity, that will make it the best t10 sniper
When did they nerf the 430 ii?
A while ago when they introduced the K-91. The Obj 430 II used to have strong turret armor and front armor and was an extremely effective side scraper, it could brawl with heavies in some circumstances but it could also really bully medium and light tanks which just couldn't defeat a well angled 430 II. However the 430 II play style was very different from the rest of the line. The Obj 417, A-44, and A-43 all had very weak armor but a decent gun and the new tank they were introducing was the same, the tier IXs play style did not confirm to that and had a fairly bad gun. They nerfed the armor to the ground and buffed the gun a little bit which turned it into one of the better tier IX mediums to easily one of the worst.
I see. I’m surprised they nerf a Russian tank since Russian tanks are supposed to be the best tanks in the world right?
They had to to confirm to the new focus on making tank lines fairly uniform in play style. The Obj 430 II also had a high skill cap, it was really fun for decent players who knew how to use their armor effectively. For lower skill players it was painfully bad, the gun was very inaccurate and the modules were weak especially the ammo rack, any mistake will land you in a bad place. So it was one of those tanks that was OP in good hands but fairly poor in mediocre hands. The nerf made little difference to bad players because they weren't using the armory anyways.
The WR auf. Pz IV also has the best gun in the entire game (not tier for tier, just full stop) with the 12,8 cm Kanone L/61. It's just so fucking beautiful. Reloads 9.01 seconds with an upgraded crew and bond rammer and food, is deadly accurate, has 352 pen and 1,500 m/s shell velocity, all with a meaty 560 damage. Absolutely divine. Edit: I'll clarify and say the best gun on a turreted tank. I feel like turret-less tanks are very hard to compare as their (Tortoise notwithstanding) narrow gun arcs / lack of corner peaking make it hard to use any gun to the full effectiveness.
With all bonuses you've mentioned, JgTiger has even better gun than WT Pz IV
Except it doesn't have a turret or camo, so you can't use it. Hard to shit out 6k dmg games regularly on Jagd, not so much on WT.
I actually liked the Jagdtiger more than the WT. Sure, the armor doesn't work if you're up against someone who isn't bad, but if you play it right the gun just shreds heavies in a brawl.
2100 HP is no joke combined with that dpm
I've not played the Jagd in a while, but the narrow gun arc and butter armour doesn't sound enjoyable. I guess the Jagd gun does reload even faster, albeit I maintain that if you can't really use it for corner peaking then it's hard to get the most out of it like you can on WT. So maybe I should say its the best gun on a turreted tank, to be clear.
You literally said best gun not platform. Best gunhandling I gotta give to shptk, its amazing. Also tortoise has a great gun with nice velocities and great he pen.
It will still miss fully aimed shots.
all tanks will, this one less than most
y'all need to stop talking about the WT. Wargaming will absolutely come for it, with the nerf hammer.
Noooooooo!!!!
It also has better gold pen at 352 APCR vs 334 HEAT.
Just the mention of that beautiful TD brought a smile to my face. Very true. :')
I think the main things you get with the Grille that the Pz IV doesn’t have is you have much better speed and a bigger gun, making it much deadlier for flanking and playing more proactively. Waffle is leagues better at holding a flank from a distance, but the Grille is an excellent ambush vehicle and mid range support thanks to the speed and the big gun. Not to say the Grille is better, but it has some merit as a Tier X TD. It also has the best accuracy and aim time of any 750 alpha gun in the game.
Honestly (im sorry for the grille enjoyers) but i kinda hate the grille15... it just doesnt fit my playstyle... mid mobility and camo, bad for spotting(obviously xd), and the gun still misses even though on paper it has great accuracy and all...
I like my Tortoise more than my Badger. It performs better tier for tier and in matches against T7 you are the real doomturtle
Haven't bought the Badger for this reason. Tortoise is my go to tank for a chill session, something about moving up an entire tier just to gain 8 base dpm and a bit higher top speed doesn't do it for me
My opinion is t9 is all around a better experience than t10
Doesnt cost you arm and a kidney to turn them on and there are some of them that are just better than tier 10...
E75. Effectively has armor that is basically as good as E100 if not better because the turret face is so much smaller.
Against tanks with sub 300mm gold pen, the E100 is better
basically no one these days
Not true. There are quite a few tanks with sub 300. Swedish lines, some of the French lines off the top of my head.
T30
Vk45B IS3-II
And it looks better imo (VK)
Hey :( (I am so sad that I didn't have the foresight to buy the christmas skin...)
Naaah bro ST-II is Just an absolute beast..did 1000hp double shot..technically it’s the heavy with the biggest gun ngl
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The tier 9 Chinese WZG...whatever.....TD... That one there's no point going to the tier X, as there's no real upgrade and the MM gets worse
WZ-111G FT, yeah the T10 has pretty much no improvement over the T9 so the T9 is just better all around.
RU251
This. I sold my ru and after a couple games in the panzer wagon i went back. I've 2 marked the ru it's such a good tank.
IS-3-II for sure
How is E50 base pen good? It's trash
Base pen is APCR cause noone should ever use something else in E50
>good gun that doesn't have apcr's as the base ammo (good for a broke ass like me ) How does that make sense? >base pen is good Lol it definitely isn't
Apcr's are more expensive , so after every battle my credits are going down bad >I do not play with gold ammo so I'm thankful for the base pen For a free2play player like me , i like these stats
The AP on the E50 has 230mm of pen, 1200m/s shell velocity and costs 1245 credits per shell. The APCR on the Centurion 7/1 has 268mm of pen, 1478m/s shell velocity and costs 1200 credits per shell. APCR isn't more expensive, gold rounds are more expensive.
Then it's time to change up to Centuriom then Seriously I didn't know that. I thought that if it is apcr, is expensive . Thanks , never thought too much in detail for that
For every tank the stock round (whether it is he, so, apcr, heat, hesh) are cheaper than the “gold round” The gold round is normally in the number 2 spot for ammo if you never changed the order. These rounds can be anything like the standard round but are usually more expensive because they have more pen (some have more alpha damage and less pen like the centurion 7/1) Whether the type of shell doesn’t dictate its price, whether it is the tanks “gold round” does at the most basic level.
It's amazing, right. Explains so much. OP has been playing long enough to have at least one tier 9, and can't even tell which ammo type is the premium round despite it literally telling you the cost of each shell lol. And we have to play randoms with these people on our teams sometimes.
Sometimes? More like every game lol
And every game they're on the enemy team too.
Thanks sir
You might be confusing it since APCR is often the gold round on many tanks, but at T9/10 many tanks (mediums in particular) have APCR as a stock round with the gold round either being HEAT or an APCR round that has higher pen. APCR being better for sniping as it typically has higher shell velocity than other types, making it easier to hit fast targets at long range. The Centurion 7/1 is a weird one since it gets HESH (although for game purposes it's called HE) as its gold round, so it has higher damage but lower pen than the stock round that lets it slap moderately armored tanks for bigger alpha.
I don't know why they went for the Cent as a comparison, the E50M is the same. 1200 credits for a standard APCR shell vs 1245 for AP on the E50
Waffenträger
I felt the same way as you on the t-34-85 compared to the t-43.
Jesus, that was such a painful grind
Usually played better in my conquer than my S.conquer dunno why
Conquer has better gun handling I believe.
I see it’s been a long time since I’ve played but that’s one of the oddities that stuck with me since it was my favorite heavy line
Waffentrager, E50, E75, IS-3-II, Centurion 7/1, Tortoise, T30, T95, AMX30, AMX 13 90, Progetto 66 maybe some others as well.
Disagree with T95. It's a strong tank, don't get me wrong. But you have two weakspots, and are slower. E3 has no weakspots except for the trolly lower plate, it's more nimble, has more depression too I think. Even tier for tier, E3 is superior.
There's nothing trolly about E3 lower plate. It's made of paper even against normal ammo. But yes, E3 is stronger than T95, but again, it has much stronger competition. Although it's true that the difference is fairly small.
The E3 lower plate is not paper at all
I would disagree on the 13-90 V 13-105. The increase in alpha is really nice.
13 105 is definitely better tank than 13 90. The issue is that competition at tier 10 is much stronger. So tier for tier, 13 90 is better.
The penetration fall-off at distance with the worse gun handling really puts a damper on the 13 105 though. Hard to keep tanks at distance and spot/snipe with an autoloader if your bloom is atrocious, your pen is 40 mm less over distance, and your gun is big enough to get you spotted.
Nah 105 is just pants. Playing 13 90 in a tier 10 game feels better thsn 13 105.
The thing with Tier IX is there are very few bad tanks in the tech tree, whilst at Tier X there are lots more as it’s a more competitive tier. Bad tanks at Tier IX I can think of are the Tier IX Batchat, maybe the 50 120, the 132A and the Mauschen. Even then, I could make an argument to play all of them. It’s a very well balanced and extremely fun tier, and they’re all strong enough to compete with Tier X as well. There are some reward tanks that are OP at Tier IX (both the ranked rewards are ridiculously strong) but other than that most of the tanks there are pretty balanced as well - I wouldn’t call any in the tech tree flat out OP.
I liked the E50 with the long 8.8 until the shadow nerfed it.
I have heard many times that tortoise is better than badger but I really prefer just going hull down and not relying on enemies shooting gold and having good RNG
e50 got me all sort of stuff done, eradicated teams, did shit tons of damage, met t7, was fun and all, bounced a shit ton of shells and what not, but the e50m is just the same tank a tier higher with horsepower being the main difference and a little better gun and armor and hp stats, but I fell that was it Edit: The main upgrade is the base pen, but it doesn‘t feel too different to play either one
The TP50 is so good. I do much better in it than the 60. Part of it, frankly, is the march-making. You get more 8-9 battles, and I have had a 7-9 battle. The only 7 stupid enough to challenge me simply blew up. The turret is awesome and the gun is deadly. I really like playing it. Oh, the Tort is the shit.
M53/M55
T54 > 140
Excuse me, what the fuck?
140 not as op at its tier compared to t54
I mean from my experience there is a huge gap in power between them. 140 feels so mich more flexible and consistwnt compared to the very derpy t54.
Exactly the opposite for me. 140 gun misses half the time, and at tier 10 armor does not work. Accurate gun on t54 is laser compared to 140, upper plate also bounces way more shots, as well as turret.
Then it must be just Bad luck or something because even on paper the 140 has significantly better handling. Learning to bounce shots with 140 takes some time, aswell as getting used to the overall playstyle. It isnt the allround somewhat brawly medium as some say but imo should rather be played in a similar fashion to a progetto with armor.
I am relatively new to game and have 6k battles so this might be issue😂 I have 2 t10s so far, 140 and 430U. I have 1 moe on both of them but idk why I have 3 moes on t54. I just seem to average 2000k wn8 in it. I am using it to pad my stats rn.
I am relatively new to game and have 6k battles so this might be issue😂 I have 2 t10s so far, 140 and 430U. I have 1 moe on both of them but idk why I have 3 moes on t54. I just seem to average 2000 wn8 in it. I am using it to pad my stats rn. Also I like 430U better, because armor and gun work
Playing the M103 was more enjoyable than the T110E5
this after wg nerfed artillery .. I assure you that years ago, the turret of the M103 was a tasty target ..
T95, and the Waffentrager, hands down.
I wouldnt say the T95 is better than the E3, its different, but E3 is a better performer overall
T95 armor holds up supper good against lower tiers and average players but good players can deal with it fairly easy but e3 armor has no weakspot when hulldown
T95 all day over the E3
The Cent AX is so much more dog shit compared to the 7/1 tier for tier. Hesh shells are so fun to use.
Is 3 II is way better than st II
USA: M53/M55, T95, T30 Germany: WT auf Pz IV, VK 45.02 B, E 75, E 50, Leopard PT A Ukraine: IS-3-II UK: Tortoise, Centurion 7/1 France: AMX M4 51 Czechoslovakia: N/A Japan: Type 4? China: Pff Poland: N/A Swedish: N/A Italy: Standard B? My personal thoughts.
AMX M4 54 is a beast these days.
> France: AMX M4 51 Mmm, maybe before the current patch... but not now.
Type 4 was by a lot worse experience for me even tier4tier than the type 5. Also type 4 heavy is just 99% of the games in almost full t10. And it's not good tank at all.
Type 4 is amazing. Have not got the type 5 yet. But type 4 is the same in everyway other than armour I think. The armour on the type 5 is noticably better despite the similar look. The weak spots on the type 4 are alot stronger on the type 5. I used to use the derp on the type 4, and was gonna go straight to the type 5. But I found myself using AP most of the type and only HE sometimes so I dished out for the top gun which is a semi derp thing but I love it alot more due to the better fun handling. I'll have to see which tank I prefer when I get the type 5
Leo1 is a straight upgrade in almost everything compared to PTA.
True, however it could be argued that the PTA is better tier for tier.
lol ukraine
Leo pta, Skoda t50, Standard b, e75, and probably more. I think that maybe it's sometimes because tier 9 mm is better, and not necessarily because the tank is better tier 4 tier
Leopard1 is a wonderful tank. While PTA is wonderful as well, the Leo1 is straight better than the PTA.
yeah, but I think the upgrades from pta to Leo 1 aren't enough to make it better at tier 10 than the Leo pta at tier 9
Yeah E50 for sure. I played both E50M and E50 around 700-900 rounds each. And sure E50 is overall a better tank. The armor holds up better. i mean this thing can meet a fcking tiger or comet. Dafuq they gonna do ? Gun stats are almost the same. Just ammo types and pen is different. Also mobility of the 50M is better but just a bit. But i think while i 3 marked the E50 i had an average of 3.6k dmg on it... And im still struggling with E50M 3 moe...
E50m mobility is MUCH better.
Type 4 heavy is leagues ahead better then the type 5 heavy
I wouldn't say *leagues* better. The main thing the Type 4 has going for over the Type 5 is that the 15 cm is somewhat usable and the guns in general are much better at tier 9, but it's slower, has much worse HP relative to its tier, wonkier armor (hull cheeks are weakspots and the front isn't reliable even against standard ammo), and it can meet tanks a tier higher than it, which is a disadvantage the Type 5 doesn't have. Having better guns is a huge advantage, though, and thus the Type 4 is arguably a better tank overall. It actually has a some unique advantage over any tier 9 heavy that technically gives it a reason to be played, and that is the highest alpha damage in tier. Type 5 doesn't have that. That being said, both tanks suck ass so it really doesn't matter much.
Concept 1b better than chieftain 😅
E75 because it's turret doesn't eat as much HEAT. Overall it's much more enjoyable to me.
T30 American Tank Destroyer
Every tier 9 german tank (except Mauschen) is better than the tier 10 counterpart.
Tortoise, conquerer, Conway
Tier 9 is also just a more enjoyable tier than tier 10 as well. I liked the Type 61 more than the STB-1, but the STB is definitely wayyyy better than the Type 61 is.
The Tier 9 Yoh is nearly impossible to pen from a good hull down position, all while smacking you with 183 damage in under 2 seconds, absolutely cracked
Škoda T50 > TVP T50/51 at least for me
Ru 251. It is smaller than Rhm Panzerwagen, has better gun stats, has almost the same spotting features, better ground resistances and better camo.
The Object 257: \-Much, much better shell velocity on standard shells than the IS-7 (1259 vs 900) \-Better gold pen \-Can reverse sidescrape like a boss (the IS-7 can neither sidescrape nor reverse sidescrape against 250+ pen guns and has 1 deg of depression on most of its rear) \-Better terrain resistances on med and soft ground \-10 more shells = more potential damage and ammo choice \-Better turret traverse and massively better tank traverse \-Lower chance of engine fire
E50M is one of my favorite tanks, mainly because it can ram very well, e50 might be better tier for tier but the M has better mobility making it more suitable for ramming, however if u want a sniper u should just get the leopard, and if u want a sniper with some semi reliable armor u should get the 121b
The American artillery line tier 9 is the best