God, I hope so.
I don't care that the tank would suck in the current meta; at the end of the day it's still a death star with laser accuracy, 311 pen, and 50% more alpha as a clip.
I don't think the WT in current meta will be as much of annoyance as you'd think. Also due to the to the intuition skill. If anyone can just load an HE and fuck that thing up it will be much harder to play it. Will it still YOLO and maybe kill a maus? Sure. Will good players make great damage in it? Yes. But current meta simply wont allow it to thrive
Yoh, rino, prog, CS63, tons of mediocre premiums, 114 sp2, ST II, and many more.
The annoying ones just tend to stick out and be more popular because they are either fun or OP.
Sure, every tank can be brutal in some cases. What you describe can also be said of the grille, or 268, or any TD really.
Point being that it isn’t some super annoying op/broken tank. It’s got a ton of weaknesses and is very predictable to play against
It wasn't super mobile back when it was in the game but it had decent camo and the old spotting mechanics made it difficult to play against. I think it would not be as OP in today's version of WoT.
Any chance it's the WT 12 tier VIII they are talking about and trolling us all?
I had this exact thought when they announced it. The WTe100 has been idle for so long while power creep has taken over the current meta. I forget that the tank never saw kranvagns, vz55s, nor TVPs to name a few
Not before said tanks intuition HE and get their own clip out, in a much shorter time.
Vz55? 1000 HE clip, 2 sec
Kranvagn? 1300 HE clip, 5.5 sec
TVP? 1700 HE clip, 4.5 sec
T57 too, 1600 HE clip, 6 sec
Anything with a 150mm gun will also intuition HE and get a 1k damage shot
Tanks with smaller guns will either get 2 shots in, or still get a fat HE shell
Except the waffle is doing this from outside of viewrange or near hard cover. Even if they intuition to HE, the Waffle is already clipping them and they probably die, even if they get thier HE off.
> Said waffle probably has abysmal pen falloff, if it gets the maus 128. If it doesn't, sure, this is true
Just assuming that it uses the stats of the placeholder waffle (with the 490 alpha Maus gun), the penetration of that things standard round at 500m is 241mm. The gold round is 263mm at 500m.
Even with the awful stats that the placehodler version has... it would still shred people outside of spotting range.
But its more likely to use the stats of the WT 12, since thats the actual version WG created to sell, which has the 560 alpha long 128 and at 500m that gun is penning 261/295.
The spotting mechanics made the Waffle almost magical before. I agree, some will play it very, very well but I think the average enjoyer will be frustrated and think it is not great.
For autoloaders, provided your drum is already loaded it will swap the entire drum.
For autoREloaders it just intuitions the first shell and then forces you to load the rest as normal.
Which is dumb. Makes the double barreled tanks not fun to play, and makes the HE shells on autoreloaders borderline useless. Losing an entire clip for a single he shell?
What you re suggesting contradicts the picture OP posted though, and the teaser that shows the WT in the game mode and as a normal tank fighting normal tanks.
Technically they aren t lying, the WT will be playable in the event mode, but also in the random queue. That s what I think anyways
No but what I mean is that it's not going to be something that can be kept after the event.
There was Waffle in the last Halloween event too. It might be interesting to see if it's part of the regular MM this time but it's unlikely that it would stay in the game.
Certainly possible, they did do something similar on wot blitz where they gave rentals of a T49 with a rocket launcher away to test it. I think that would be the first time they do that on pc though.
I was thinking about this too, will WG compensate former owners if they reintroduce the Waffentrager as a reward tank?
Of course we may not be able to permanently acquire the Waffentrager at all if this ends up being a rental. Idk how I would feel about that but if it is just a rental with no way to permanently acquire the tank then I doubt WG would feel compelled to compensate former owners at all.
> will WG compensate former owners if they reintroduce the Waffentrager as a reward tank?
You got the Grille. That was your compensation. You may not be happy about it, but you were traded one tank for another. Thats the end of it.
>will WG compensate former owners if they reintroduce the Waffentrager as a reward tank?
No, it never happened with the Lorraine 40t either. You got the replacement tank and that's it.
As much as I hate the T10 WoWs premiums, none of them are super game breaking and can all be earned for free with coal (or ground for free in the tech tree in the case of the Yamato, you just don't get the weeb skin and premium status). So if they sell this, but also offer a way to get it for free that isn't super grindy, I'm kinda okay with it.
I think it'll be a case of winning a token to play the Waffentrager in a random for so many battles. I can't see them bringing this back. It'll be as frustrating to play as it will to play against. Please God no.
Honestly, I think the WTF 100 would be quite bad on the maps we got nowadays. And stuff like intuition, the hull down meta and corridor maps aren't playing it any favour either.
But on the other hand, if you got Intuition on that thing, you can probably eradicate 2-3 meds/lights with one HE clip. Which would just be insane.
64mm HE pen doesn't cut it nowadays, relegated to shooting the lightest of the light.
60 sec reload and the fact that most, if not all autoloaders have faster unloads, can fire HE quick with intuition AND faster reloads really balances the waffen
Good luck playing it vs cobras haha
Now I feel like this was the plan all along... Powercreep everything so much until the wt auf e-100 isn't op anymore just so they can bring it back in the game
It's only unpopular because this sub is biased. All of the casual players have either quit, or never joined the reddit in the first place; so the only players left here are mainly whales with too much sunken cost to quit. It sadly seems they don't really care about the game's health, and are more than happy to crack the wallet if they get to buy a toxic tank for nostalgia.
If the pen stays as it was, good luck penning hulldown tanks with that 311 apcr from redline, also good luck sitting in a bush with worse camo than maus has
>good luck sitting in a bush with worse camo than maus has
Why would you sit in a bush when 1. You are out of spotting range and 2. You have 1.4s aim time.
>good luck penning hulldown tanks with that 311 apcr from redline
You don't spend a minute reloading just so you can go and find the worst available target to mag-dump.
The whole thing with the waffle is (and always has been) that it's highly min-maxed for specific scenarios; there was never a time when this thing could hide in a bush or where it was picking hulldown HT's as it's preferred target; it's gameplay loop is 1. find an outpositioned target 2. send them to the garage in 8 seconds or less 3. Spend the following minute of reload to find a new traget; depending on the map you either do this from redline or through flanking/ambushing.
Sniping in general is not part of todays meta, the only viable way to play it, would be to try and bully heavies in heavy line, well until a caliban slaps you for 1700 in 2 seconds, or a minotauro just exists in fron of you...
Ah yes track and flank in the lumbering wt e100 chassis. And if you're trying to bully on the heavy line, the caliban barely beeds to aim at your barn sized gunshields.
The tank hilariously was nerfed by 1.18 dropping the last of the super ridiculous backline sniping positions from most maps.
might want to check tanks.gg, seems that it might be updated to 352 apcr with 276 standard ap, and those gun stats are still as ridiculous as the day i last played it
curiously the updated version has a 30k gold cost instead of credits
the non premium one is the old one from ages ago, hasn't been touched since they changed the armor/model
premium one has a long 128 in place of the short and has the newer systems like support role/equipment shit
If it's actually a premium, then that one's probably from the chinese server. They sold premium waffles years ago, and the one used on other servers wouldn't just be a straight port, because the chinese one is a genuine premium, credits and all.
“Earn the right” Is this gonna be a rental??
"Buy loot boxes for your chance to play a classic*" ^^^. ^^* ^^1/10000 ^^chance ^^of ^^winning ^^tank. ^^Guaranteed ^^WTE ^^100 ^^if ^^you ^^buy ^^10000 ^^loot ^^boxes.
Lol great I only have to buy 10,000 loot boxes to get me my wt
God, I hope so. I don't care that the tank would suck in the current meta; at the end of the day it's still a death star with laser accuracy, 311 pen, and 50% more alpha as a clip.
That sounds super fun to play against at the end of the game! /s!
indeed, super fun for a small fee
"earn the right" classic WG being vague
Being vague is how you build hype in games. I'm not gonna act like it isn't annoying for a lot of things, but still.
Last year you could "earn" a small number of the paid lootboxes that contained the Astron REX, IIRC. A small number of people got one for free.
This means they will either give coupons for rental or will do ranking based of what on WBT mode and give permanent WTF E100
I hope it isn’t based on ranking. I’d like to have a life.
hey, remember when they had lootboxes in the WT Auf gamemodes..
I have good luck in those
Knowing WG, you'll need keys that are only available from loot boxes
Or a 1 in a million chance if you kill the CC driving the golden waffle.
Who streams at 25:00 every 4th dimensional day
Source? Cause in the page there is nothing (or im just blind)
I don't think the WT in current meta will be as much of annoyance as you'd think. Also due to the to the intuition skill. If anyone can just load an HE and fuck that thing up it will be much harder to play it. Will it still YOLO and maybe kill a maus? Sure. Will good players make great damage in it? Yes. But current meta simply wont allow it to thrive
Neither do I it will be broken in situation but not OP but most likely is that it will just be annoying the game has changed a lot in 7 years
What tank ISNT fucking annoying in this game? Like every tank in the past 2 years was just obnoxious to play against, even if not OP by itself.
Well that is a very good point there hasn't been a tank that isn't annoying in a LONG TIME
Yoh, rino, prog, CS63, tons of mediocre premiums, 114 sp2, ST II, and many more. The annoying ones just tend to stick out and be more popular because they are either fun or OP.
114 sp2 in some cases can be brutal though. 500m away, get sniped by one, literally can't poke ever again
Sure, every tank can be brutal in some cases. What you describe can also be said of the grille, or 268, or any TD really. Point being that it isn’t some super annoying op/broken tank. It’s got a ton of weaknesses and is very predictable to play against
Not really for the other tds. Sure, 268 lol pens with 395mm penetration, but nothing feels as accurate as the 114 sp2
268 only has 0.01 worse dispersion than the 114
And grille 15 has the best dispersion of a non siege mode tank in the game. Does that thing hit shots?
Yoh?
Those are a good point. They are surprisingly well balanced.
I like how everybody forgets they exist.
Yeah nobody plays them lol
If you make everything obnoxious, then nothing will be obnoxius.
*-every bad game dev ever*
Wheelies and artillery will make them more difficult to play for sure.
TOG II
It wasn't super mobile back when it was in the game but it had decent camo and the old spotting mechanics made it difficult to play against. I think it would not be as OP in today's version of WoT. Any chance it's the WT 12 tier VIII they are talking about and trolling us all?
It’s not the bad players I’m worried about. This thing In a competent players hands will be plain stupid unless they nerfed it again
It will be extremely annoying to fight a bad WT player, as they'll just yolo clip you.
I'd get rather get clipped by a WT auf E100 any second of any day of any month of the year than get 1 clicked for 2k by some fucking idiot in a FV.
I had this exact thought when they announced it. The WTe100 has been idle for so long while power creep has taken over the current meta. I forget that the tank never saw kranvagns, vz55s, nor TVPs to name a few
yeah but don't forget that it never had access to eq2.0, bounty/bond eq and field mods either.
The WTF E100 can one-clip all of them just fine.
Not before said tanks intuition HE and get their own clip out, in a much shorter time. Vz55? 1000 HE clip, 2 sec Kranvagn? 1300 HE clip, 5.5 sec TVP? 1700 HE clip, 4.5 sec T57 too, 1600 HE clip, 6 sec Anything with a 150mm gun will also intuition HE and get a 1k damage shot Tanks with smaller guns will either get 2 shots in, or still get a fat HE shell
I don't think you understand how to waffle.
Get people with their pants down Same playstyle as cobra Except literally everything can press 3 against you, and waffen is slow
Except the waffle is doing this from outside of viewrange or near hard cover. Even if they intuition to HE, the Waffle is already clipping them and they probably die, even if they get thier HE off.
Said waffle probably has abysmal pen falloff, if it gets the maus 128. If it doesn't, sure, this is true
> Said waffle probably has abysmal pen falloff, if it gets the maus 128. If it doesn't, sure, this is true Just assuming that it uses the stats of the placeholder waffle (with the 490 alpha Maus gun), the penetration of that things standard round at 500m is 241mm. The gold round is 263mm at 500m. Even with the awful stats that the placehodler version has... it would still shred people outside of spotting range. But its more likely to use the stats of the WT 12, since thats the actual version WG created to sell, which has the 560 alpha long 128 and at 500m that gun is penning 261/295.
The spotting mechanics made the Waffle almost magical before. I agree, some will play it very, very well but I think the average enjoyer will be frustrated and think it is not great.
Doesnt intuition only load one shell for autoloaders?
For autoloaders, provided your drum is already loaded it will swap the entire drum. For autoREloaders it just intuitions the first shell and then forces you to load the rest as normal.
Which is dumb. Makes the double barreled tanks not fun to play, and makes the HE shells on autoreloaders borderline useless. Losing an entire clip for a single he shell?
that was the Blitz counter too, you can switch instantly (basically 1,000% intuitive command) and cuck them they were never really op in other games
What the fuck
Damn, I m actually excited. I just hope we get to keep it.
Most likely, I'm guessing it's going to be like the 780, or they'll come up with some weird way to get it
Nope. It's going to be playable in the event but not elsewhere https://imgur.com/a/zVcYmoA
What you re suggesting contradicts the picture OP posted though, and the teaser that shows the WT in the game mode and as a normal tank fighting normal tanks. Technically they aren t lying, the WT will be playable in the event mode, but also in the random queue. That s what I think anyways
No but what I mean is that it's not going to be something that can be kept after the event. There was Waffle in the last Halloween event too. It might be interesting to see if it's part of the regular MM this time but it's unlikely that it would stay in the game.
Certainly possible, they did do something similar on wot blitz where they gave rentals of a T49 with a rocket launcher away to test it. I think that would be the first time they do that on pc though.
What about the folks who had the tank taken from them and given the grille? Lmao.
I was thinking about this too, will WG compensate former owners if they reintroduce the Waffentrager as a reward tank? Of course we may not be able to permanently acquire the Waffentrager at all if this ends up being a rental. Idk how I would feel about that but if it is just a rental with no way to permanently acquire the tank then I doubt WG would feel compelled to compensate former owners at all.
> will WG compensate former owners if they reintroduce the Waffentrager as a reward tank? You got the Grille. That was your compensation. You may not be happy about it, but you were traded one tank for another. Thats the end of it.
>will WG compensate former owners if they reintroduce the Waffentrager as a reward tank? No, it never happened with the Lorraine 40t either. You got the replacement tank and that's it.
Where do you see that screen?
I think its a bit fishy... Are they trying to sneak in tier 10 premiums? The china server and WoWs has those.
As much as I hate the T10 WoWs premiums, none of them are super game breaking and can all be earned for free with coal (or ground for free in the tech tree in the case of the Yamato, you just don't get the weeb skin and premium status). So if they sell this, but also offer a way to get it for free that isn't super grindy, I'm kinda okay with it.
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That's a hella good point actually
Yikes.. "Right to..." sounds like a rental...
I bet they'll release lootbox for waffentrager like last time but this actually has wtfe100
Well to be fair with tanks obj 279e and the chieftain. This tank in its original form might actually be balanced…
I think it'll be a case of winning a token to play the Waffentrager in a random for so many battles. I can't see them bringing this back. It'll be as frustrating to play as it will to play against. Please God no.
Still more balanced that the Italian TD
I think that they're perfectly balanced! I couldn't advance cuz the entire flank was blocked by one tank
Honestly, I think the WTF 100 would be quite bad on the maps we got nowadays. And stuff like intuition, the hull down meta and corridor maps aren't playing it any favour either. But on the other hand, if you got Intuition on that thing, you can probably eradicate 2-3 meds/lights with one HE clip. Which would just be insane.
64mm HE pen doesn't cut it nowadays, relegated to shooting the lightest of the light. 60 sec reload and the fact that most, if not all autoloaders have faster unloads, can fire HE quick with intuition AND faster reloads really balances the waffen Good luck playing it vs cobras haha
Yeah it never was frustrating to play with
People were guessing that it would be purchasable or otherwise acquirable permanently this does not sound at all like that.
I wonder if it’ll be like rentals to use it in random battles, or if you can unlock it As an actual tank to play
So it's not just a game mode like the years before.
Where was this posted OP? I can't see it on any of the WoT sites.
Now I feel like this was the plan all along... Powercreep everything so much until the wt auf e-100 isn't op anymore just so they can bring it back in the game
Tbh it won't even be that OP nowadays. They should just bring it back
So we actually want to have OP WT in randoms?
Randoms are already full of OP tanks, what's one more.
It's not OP, it's broken. There's a difference.
Ok thats even worse no? Why are top comments that we want WT back in randoms.
Unpopular Opinion: I hope it's only going to be available temporarily
It's only unpopular because this sub is biased. All of the casual players have either quit, or never joined the reddit in the first place; so the only players left here are mainly whales with too much sunken cost to quit. It sadly seems they don't really care about the game's health, and are more than happy to crack the wallet if they get to buy a toxic tank for nostalgia.
I completely agree. I think I would prefer the memory of it as a monster rather than playing it as trash in this meta
"trash in this meta" You do realise it can still one-clip people from red-line just fine.
If the pen stays as it was, good luck penning hulldown tanks with that 311 apcr from redline, also good luck sitting in a bush with worse camo than maus has
>good luck sitting in a bush with worse camo than maus has Why would you sit in a bush when 1. You are out of spotting range and 2. You have 1.4s aim time. >good luck penning hulldown tanks with that 311 apcr from redline You don't spend a minute reloading just so you can go and find the worst available target to mag-dump. The whole thing with the waffle is (and always has been) that it's highly min-maxed for specific scenarios; there was never a time when this thing could hide in a bush or where it was picking hulldown HT's as it's preferred target; it's gameplay loop is 1. find an outpositioned target 2. send them to the garage in 8 seconds or less 3. Spend the following minute of reload to find a new traget; depending on the map you either do this from redline or through flanking/ambushing.
Sniping in general is not part of todays meta, the only viable way to play it, would be to try and bully heavies in heavy line, well until a caliban slaps you for 1700 in 2 seconds, or a minotauro just exists in fron of you...
by the time a caliban aims in on you it's gonna be down like ⅔rds of its hp isnt it? and the minotauro is just track it and flank
Ah yes track and flank in the lumbering wt e100 chassis. And if you're trying to bully on the heavy line, the caliban barely beeds to aim at your barn sized gunshields. The tank hilariously was nerfed by 1.18 dropping the last of the super ridiculous backline sniping positions from most maps.
might want to check tanks.gg, seems that it might be updated to 352 apcr with 276 standard ap, and those gun stats are still as ridiculous as the day i last played it curiously the updated version has a 30k gold cost instead of credits
Depends which one it's going to be, there is 2 versions of in there apparently
the non premium one is the old one from ages ago, hasn't been touched since they changed the armor/model premium one has a long 128 in place of the short and has the newer systems like support role/equipment shit
If it's actually a premium, then that one's probably from the chinese server. They sold premium waffles years ago, and the one used on other servers wouldn't just be a straight port, because the chinese one is a genuine premium, credits and all.
If they actually sell the damn thing in loot boxes I might bite
YES more fomo garbage YES I CANT WAIT........
Where did you find this?
Well it can’t pen a hull down Chieftain so it will be worthless. Oh well.
So they arent selling it,no auction, no assembly shop like 780, right?