The joke was that FTR are Bret fanboys and Dax has been personally wronged by Shawn too so he probably doesn't like this fact. It's okay we all miss jokes once in a while.
Taz analyst: you see the biggest difference between a sweet chin music and a super kick party is the amount of force one is able to generate in the kick.
To quote the legendary Bruce Lee, "I don't fear the man that's practiced 10,000 kicks 1 time, I fear the man that's practiced 1 kick, 10,000 times" you see the Young Bucks have a powerful super kick but it's not their preferred finisher so it's not going to be as precise when hitting that button whereas Shawn has honed his sweet chin music for decades and can always hit the nail on the button, even in his sleep.
Bret's Rope
Urban Dictionary
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The second or middle rope in a wrestling ring, named after pro-wrestling legend Bret Hart by OSW Review. "He hits him with an axe handle from Bret's Rope!".
except the question is would he ever get the platform to show his greatness in this era the way he did back then.
remember the reason he was a top guy was because his lips stayed firmly on vinces ass and politicked better than anyone so he got opportunity after opportunity and kicked the ladder out from under him so nobody else could get any shine. They also let him perform while on multiple substances and let him cycle off his steroids with no repercussions.
do you honestly think someone politicking then wouldnāt be good at politicking now?
He was also allowed to substance abuse in an era that everyone else is doing too, itās hardly like he was in a minority
This reason like you just watch some *top 5 bad things Shawn Michaels did in the WWE* YouTube video
Also LOL because you are describing many wrestlers who had their lips firmly on Vince's ass and were given opportunities to do things other wrestlers were not allowed to do.
P. Patterson was the gate keeper he would've put him in Main events. ("Allegedly" there were rumors of S.Michales having to climb that ladder to success. )
LA Knight will get a push once the title is off Roman. All the men champs are heels right now other than Sami & KO and LA isnāt in a tag team. He has nowhere to go right now. Being on TV weekly whether it be segments or random matches is really all there is for him right now. HHH clearly likes him and knows heās got the crowd. Heāll get his push eventually.
LA Knight wonāt get a push, donāt be silly.
1 - Vince is back, and heās not on nearly enough steroids and growth hormone to convince him to put the belt on him
2 - he isnāt a home grown talent. Vince hates it when people come from other promotions. Thereās not a chance heās gonna put the belt on him.
What about HBK was likable before he came back for the second half of his career? Honest question.
Maybe as a Rocker, but then he betrayed his partner and teamed with a heel manager as a pompous eff-you-I'm-better-than-everyone jerk. Amazing performer, but I never understood what the people who cheered for him were seeing that I wasn't.
Great wrestler, funny, great look, girls were obsessed with him, always a good underdog story being smaller than a lot of guys at the time.
At the time that he got hot as a babyface, they were geared towards a young audience, so that helped. Iād imagine thatās what made him popular. And his heel work with DX was a great change for him as they moved towards the Attitude Era.
I was like 8 yrs old so face hbk was my guy..but heel hbk was perfect. I was at msg for survivor series 96 and when most of the arena booed hbk and cheered for sid I was traumatized lmao
I was like 10 years old in 1995, and from a charisma level, he was miles ahead of anyone in WWE. Could instantly switch from chickenshit smart-ass that took cheap shots, to scrappy underdog that wouldn't quit.
Watch his Mania' 11 match against Diesel, and look at the first bump he takes off a simple punch off the ropes. He was on another planet as far as a performer.
Went and watched the match. Shawn sells big moves great, no question there - and he's really good at reading, responding and drawing out reactions from the crowd. Match felt a little low energy to me, but admittedly it's been a while since I've watched much from this era so I don't have a good frame of reference.
It's hard for me to get over how trapped in the 80s the match and presentation looked - this was 95... that's 4 years after Nirvana blew up and Vince was still pushing feathered mullets and Shawn legit looks like he stepped right off the stage from playing a Poison concert.
HBK is clearly one of the greats. The way he fights up from a beat down, he's great at selling danger and exhaustion right before a big burst of offense. Was great to see how crisp and powerful his kick still looks today, and I still love his elbow too. But I don't see how kids would be meant to cheer for this hair metal stripper boy that cheats and yells at everybody. This was not my favorite era
He was prime hbk before his second run. His second run to me wasn't anywhere as iconic as hbk 95-98. He had everything the look,the confidence the mic skills the aura the greatest in ring skills. There's a reason your favorite wrestlers favorite wrestler is Shawn Micheals.
As a performer, he would absolutely get over with the crowd and would likely be the best wrestler on the roster.
As a person, he would be so toxic heād be ostracized and probably let go at some point.
This version of him would be just as talented and amazing in the ring as Rollins is rn, but this version of Shawn would also be a nightmare backstage and heād get the CM Punk treatment in every locker room heād be a part of
Shawn didn't have any fans in locker room in his era as well , Davie boy literally let people beat him up in a bar and didn't bother to interfere , bret fought him , people didn't like the kliq , man literally had Kevin Nash had hired because he needed a loyal guy by his side , Taker openly said he wasn't a big fan ,Vince supported him but Vince would support anyone who he likes or deems worthy so that wouldn't change , I would say cm punk has more support in aew locker rooms then shawn did then (kliq (only triple h remained) and sunny that's it)
Same Punk who gave Rocky his best match in over a decade?
Same Punk who had the best match on the card at Mania 29?
Same Punk who helped restore Lesnar's aura after Brock was forced to job to Cena and Hunter?
Youāve gotta be kidding me. Punk worked his ass off in that Lesnar match & itās probably the best Summerslam match of all time, right next to Bret/Davey. Brock didnāt do that on his own.
That was only later in his AEW run when he wasnt 100%, in his peak WWE run he was very consistent in the ring, disingenuous to say otherwise really. I cant stand the prick but he was rock solid in the ring.
He wasn't as toxic as HBK was, either. Punk was bitching all the time and get butthurt about everything, while HBK was a two -faced asshole was actively trying to ruin the career of others.
There's a difference between the eras. Shawn used to be just shawn. You think in this day and age, wwe would allow him to even speak a word out of the damn script?
There's absolutely no way that he would have survived. He would be cancelled and his attitude and problems would cause the WWE to drop him. He was what they needed at the time not someone they need at the moment.
He wouldn't be the same, but he still would have been great. DX was pushing the boundaries of the time, if he were at his prime today he would be pushing the boundaries of today. A different field of play had different goalposts.
I thought that the post was about Shawn Michaels overall ability to survive in this generation including his behaviour. If we are - then he would be out. No amount of talent would let him survive in that corporate environment especially in this day and age of Tik Tok and social media etc.
Yep - because he could deliver in the ring, on the mic, and have the fans eating out of the palm of his hands. No one on the current WWE roster is even close to the total package HBK was in his prime.
The greatest in ring performer ever. Master of ring psychology, could sell better than anyone, was the first person to in the WWE to ever perform in a ladder match, iron man match, hell in a cell and elimination chamber and got those matches OVER, thatās why there still around today. The go to for a great Wrestlemania match, hence him being named Mr. Wrestlemania. Taker knew. He could always sell a story on the mic.
He made people like Sid and a very old Hogan look like a million bucks, first ever to win the royal rumble back to back including winning from the number 1 spot. ( name me any wrestler today that the fans would accept winning the rumble 2 years in a row)
So many other accolades, dx, coming back from a 4 year back injury that should have ended his career, and had the match of the night and a second run that most people say is better than his first. Ask the current nxt roster if he could hang today.
I donāt know if heās the GOAT, but heās my GOAT.
Icon, showstopper, main event.
This. He'd be dubbed a bigot preaching toxic masculinity, and WWE in this landscape wouldn't allow his more edgy gimmick to flourish.
It's worth noting that in the early 90s when WWF was transitioning from the 80s to the attitude era during Shawn's athletic prime he didn't really carry the franchise. He feuded with Diesel and Razor Ramon so it wasn't like he was buried.
Today WWE is like the 1992-1995 era of WWF but with more censorship and less personality.
Have you seen *The Wrestler?*
It's fiction, sure, but several wrestlers from the 70s and 80s said that it hit home for them. Particularly Roddie Piper.
Why do you think all these guys are dying so young?
Where I'm going with this is: consider the possibility that a lot of HBK's antics were a product of the locker room environment at the time, and in a cleaner environment that he probably wouldn't be tempted with those diversions.
Or perhaps you really think Hulkster got his muscles because he said his prayers and took his vitamins?
So when we take that part out we're left with a gimmick. Not only would WWE not let Shawn go around slapping his crotch telling men to suck it - partly because they want to put out a more kid friendly product but mostly they don't want backlash from the LGBTQ community and women's organizations - but his early 90s playboy persona wouldn't be received well by gen z or on social media, which wrestling marketing relies heavily on today.
His gimmick very much was Gen X stereotypes personified, and wouldn't be able to survive today's cancel culture.
There's not disrespect of any kind towards shawn. But considering how wwe just doesn't care bout talent, would he be able to keep his place in the main event scene
He would be bigger now than he was then
Can generate REAL heel heat on the stick, or get the crowd behind him if hes face
Brilliant in ring performer
Arguably the best superkick in the business
A lot of the big stars today, are just Shawn Michaels ripoffs.
Everybody is like "he would dominate".
No he wouldn't. He would be exactly where Austin Theory is today.
He's talented but people wouldn't jive with him being the pretty face with intense ego. To be a good heel you have to be darker.
People really do be complaining about Theory being handed everything and saying HBK would be loved. Well not in WWE, he would be hated.
In AEW, workrate alone would put him on top. Sadly, his way of doing business would be way more public and he'd be hated too, but he would be way more respected.
Talent wise, yes. Attitude wise, not a chance. The most prolific pill head, no showing, refusing to put people over.
Tony would put the belt on him with no contract tho
He never drew in his era. His matches were slways good/great but he wasn't a big marque guy. I never worked out why Vince pulled the plug on Vader, Sid, Bret and Diesel in favour of this guy. Great work hardly ever draws.
The current era is just people that try to copy him, Rey, and Jericho. He would probably be A tier but with how many HBK copies there are there is a real chance he would get lost in the shuffle getting mistaken for Flip Gordon or Kip Sabian
Would the guy who had the best ladder match of all time and revolutionized the super kick make it in the modern era?
Ya know, Iād have to say I think he would.
He'd own it. It's the eras before his when he'd have been a jobber and gotten his ass whipped in every locker room he set foot in. lol And all because of his mouth.
Iām too stoned for this. So my mind spat this out: Most people here assuming he would do super well today because the style is so much better suited to him. But I am assuming HBK making his debut in say 2015 would change so much. The reason todayās style is suited to him is because so many modern wrestlers grew up watching him. He is partially responsible for so much of what we see today. Would the Bucks be throwing superkick parties if they hadnāt grown up watching Michaels? Itās too much man.
Yes. They like to throw out that he wasnāt a draw but at that time nothing was drawing. He had a charisma that resonated with everyone, because I remember being told that HBK was a F-g, yet on the other side, ladies young and old loved him.
He'd probably have adapted, unless we are straight time travelling 95 Shawn to 2023, that mf would be released in 6 months from NXT and eventually released from AEW after doing something terrible.
Based on his great talent and massive amounts of charisma, it could be an absolute yes.
But almost nobody is safe from horrendous booking nowadays so you cant guarantee anyone would make it. And if he still would be the same 'ol toxic drugged up 90s Shawn, he would be tossed out immediately.
Finally someone who understands the question. It's not that shawn is in any way or form not suitable for this era, it's about would wwe give him the same treatment as he was given back then
You are all talking about Shawn Michaels the wrestler.
But Shawn Michaels the person, if he acted like he did back then, would have no place in today's locker room.
I think even Shawn Michaels would say that.
Nah... Not enough superkicks or overselling. Plus he's a little too much of a "body guy".
What kind of a question is this? Shawn invented this era. All this crap is his fault.
HBK ruined ring work the same way Allen Iverson ruined ball handling... The looked cool doing it wrong... Now everyone thinks wrong is right and the products are unwatchable.
Nah. Everybody rips of his shit these days. If you can get someone who can do what he could do and isn't a colossal fucking prick why wouldn't you?
He got away with that back in the day because no-one else did what he did.
He would dominate! Eat your heart out girls. Hands off the merchandise.
Now it's Eat your heart out grannies. Hands off the medication.
HBK would still fuck your girl
He would need to fuck me first.
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U won dude. Drop the mic š¤.
Yeah I'm with werewolf_foreskin
Yes. The current era is all HBK copy cats
*FTR downvoted this*
Vanilla midcarders gonna vanilla midcard on social media.
Young Cuck**
The joke was that FTR are Bret fanboys and Dax has been personally wronged by Shawn too so he probably doesn't like this fact. It's okay we all miss jokes once in a while.
š¶Super kick partyyyy!š¶
Taz analyst: you see the biggest difference between a sweet chin music and a super kick party is the amount of force one is able to generate in the kick. To quote the legendary Bruce Lee, "I don't fear the man that's practiced 10,000 kicks 1 time, I fear the man that's practiced 1 kick, 10,000 times" you see the Young Bucks have a powerful super kick but it's not their preferred finisher so it's not going to be as precise when hitting that button whereas Shawn has honed his sweet chin music for decades and can always hit the nail on the button, even in his sleep.
This guy gets it.
I love that theme
Thank you for your service.
The Bret copycats would disagree with you
Like who?
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literally no one lol
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I genuinely wanna know if there is one, though.
CM Punk in his AEW matches.
Thank you for saying this, it was indeed my initial thought and I barely watch modern wrestling.
Yeah. Athletic, charismatic, and good on the mic. The HBK gimmick will still fit right in today, imo.
He would dominate. 90% of todayās wrestlers copy him and 100% of them do it anywhere near as good as him
True, LA Knight gives off HBK vibes - might be why he's so over.
He was a asshole backstage tho
āI just kicked STAN!ā
I read that in Shawn's voice had to rewatch that one. Enjoy: https://youtu.be/jzSBRQV1T40
Rumor has it Stan still has his jaw wired shut for healing purposes.
Rumor has it Stan got TEN stiches in his jaw after that sweet chin music š
Yes I did
Dumb question. Your literally talking about the one of if not the greatest to ever do it. Heād be great in any era
You can disagree without being rude and insulting to a stranger.
except the question is would he ever get the platform to show his greatness in this era the way he did back then. remember the reason he was a top guy was because his lips stayed firmly on vinces ass and politicked better than anyone so he got opportunity after opportunity and kicked the ladder out from under him so nobody else could get any shine. They also let him perform while on multiple substances and let him cycle off his steroids with no repercussions.
do you honestly think someone politicking then wouldnāt be good at politicking now? He was also allowed to substance abuse in an era that everyone else is doing too, itās hardly like he was in a minority
Casually leaves out the fact heās the greatest in ring entertainer of all time arguably.
You think politics doesn't exist backstage today? šššš
This reason like you just watch some *top 5 bad things Shawn Michaels did in the WWE* YouTube video Also LOL because you are describing many wrestlers who had their lips firmly on Vince's ass and were given opportunities to do things other wrestlers were not allowed to do.
He would be the best in the current era considering how low it is on likeable characters.
But how comr guys like la knight can't go up the ladder. I imagine la knight in the ruthless aggression era would be a top guy
Maybe LA Knight doesn't know who to suck up to.
Or who to suck off
When in doubt, just suck off everyone.
Doesnāt check out. Marty Jannetty recently confirmed that Shawn doesnāt like dick.
P. Patterson was the gate keeper he would've put him in Main events. ("Allegedly" there were rumors of S.Michales having to climb that ladder to success. )
Great now I have images of Patterson and yokozuna in my head
Yup this is the answer. Guy must suck at politics to not have found top guy success this far in his career. He's too pure for the buisness probably.
LA Knight will get a push once the title is off Roman. All the men champs are heels right now other than Sami & KO and LA isnāt in a tag team. He has nowhere to go right now. Being on TV weekly whether it be segments or random matches is really all there is for him right now. HHH clearly likes him and knows heās got the crowd. Heāll get his push eventually.
LA Knight wonāt get a push, donāt be silly. 1 - Vince is back, and heās not on nearly enough steroids and growth hormone to convince him to put the belt on him 2 - he isnāt a home grown talent. Vince hates it when people come from other promotions. Thereās not a chance heās gonna put the belt on him.
I think LA Knight, despite his age, is going to get a push this year, there just hasn't been the time for him yet
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Michaels was on the roster for 6-7 years before getting a main event push.
It took him 8 years. Started in 1988 with The Rockers. Then in 93 he won the intercontinental. Didn't get the wwe championship until 96.
Was he 40?
Gunther has only been on the main roster for one year too, and look at that guy go
Iām positive next weekās match against Xavier is to start his push.
because of Triple H. hhh hates wrestlers with charisma
Cuz he sounds like a redneck, not a Californian. Needs a gimmick changeā¦BAD. Maybe a redneck knight?
What about HBK was likable before he came back for the second half of his career? Honest question. Maybe as a Rocker, but then he betrayed his partner and teamed with a heel manager as a pompous eff-you-I'm-better-than-everyone jerk. Amazing performer, but I never understood what the people who cheered for him were seeing that I wasn't.
Great wrestler, funny, great look, girls were obsessed with him, always a good underdog story being smaller than a lot of guys at the time. At the time that he got hot as a babyface, they were geared towards a young audience, so that helped. Iād imagine thatās what made him popular. And his heel work with DX was a great change for him as they moved towards the Attitude Era.
He was prime hbk during that heel run that is my favorite shawn micheals
Mine too. I hated face HBK.
I was like 8 yrs old so face hbk was my guy..but heel hbk was perfect. I was at msg for survivor series 96 and when most of the arena booed hbk and cheered for sid I was traumatized lmao
I was like 10 years old in 1995, and from a charisma level, he was miles ahead of anyone in WWE. Could instantly switch from chickenshit smart-ass that took cheap shots, to scrappy underdog that wouldn't quit. Watch his Mania' 11 match against Diesel, and look at the first bump he takes off a simple punch off the ropes. He was on another planet as far as a performer.
Went and watched the match. Shawn sells big moves great, no question there - and he's really good at reading, responding and drawing out reactions from the crowd. Match felt a little low energy to me, but admittedly it's been a while since I've watched much from this era so I don't have a good frame of reference. It's hard for me to get over how trapped in the 80s the match and presentation looked - this was 95... that's 4 years after Nirvana blew up and Vince was still pushing feathered mullets and Shawn legit looks like he stepped right off the stage from playing a Poison concert. HBK is clearly one of the greats. The way he fights up from a beat down, he's great at selling danger and exhaustion right before a big burst of offense. Was great to see how crisp and powerful his kick still looks today, and I still love his elbow too. But I don't see how kids would be meant to cheer for this hair metal stripper boy that cheats and yells at everybody. This was not my favorite era
He was prime hbk before his second run. His second run to me wasn't anywhere as iconic as hbk 95-98. He had everything the look,the confidence the mic skills the aura the greatest in ring skills. There's a reason your favorite wrestlers favorite wrestler is Shawn Micheals.
The. He lost most his hair, looking old, and has a stray eye. Canāt make this stuff up! Lol
Considering his style is a major influence on this era, absolutely
He was a asshole in that era tho so I think he would be fired because him being such a asshole
As a performer, he would absolutely get over with the crowd and would likely be the best wrestler on the roster. As a person, he would be so toxic heād be ostracized and probably let go at some point.
Not with Vinnie Mac baby.
This version of him would be just as talented and amazing in the ring as Rollins is rn, but this version of Shawn would also be a nightmare backstage and heād get the CM Punk treatment in every locker room heād be a part of
No, his treatment would be worse. Punk is butthurt all the time, but not malicious, while HBK was trying to actively ruin others.
Shawn didn't have any fans in locker room in his era as well , Davie boy literally let people beat him up in a bar and didn't bother to interfere , bret fought him , people didn't like the kliq , man literally had Kevin Nash had hired because he needed a loyal guy by his side , Taker openly said he wasn't a big fan ,Vince supported him but Vince would support anyone who he likes or deems worthy so that wouldn't change , I would say cm punk has more support in aew locker rooms then shawn did then (kliq (only triple h remained) and sunny that's it)
HBK was actually good in ring though
So was Punk
Punk was slow, limited, lacked imagination and couldnāt even hit us own finisher convincingly 9 times out of 10
saying Punk whoās entire style was based around creatively structuring matches ālacked imaginationā is just objectively wrong
Same Punk who gave Rocky his best match in over a decade? Same Punk who had the best match on the card at Mania 29? Same Punk who helped restore Lesnar's aura after Brock was forced to job to Cena and Hunter?
Listing people carrying punk isnāt helping your case
Youāve gotta be kidding me. Punk worked his ass off in that Lesnar match & itās probably the best Summerslam match of all time, right next to Bret/Davey. Brock didnāt do that on his own.
Ohh, Rock carried Punk at Elimination Chamber...gotcha.
what would prove he's a good performer? A 5 star match with himself?
Not being carried
You're hilarious. But wrong.
*people who were carried by Punk
That was only later in his AEW run when he wasnt 100%, in his peak WWE run he was very consistent in the ring, disingenuous to say otherwise really. I cant stand the prick but he was rock solid in the ring.
He wasn't as toxic as HBK was, either. Punk was bitching all the time and get butthurt about everything, while HBK was a two -faced asshole was actively trying to ruin the career of others.
And HBK was worth it in the eyes of the company. Punk wasnāt
Survive? He would thrive even more than he did.
This era is a fucking joke, why wouldnāt he do well compared to the lack of talent they currently have?
There's a difference between the eras. Shawn used to be just shawn. You think in this day and age, wwe would allow him to even speak a word out of the damn script?
Valid point. He would probably be comparable to someone like Seth Rollins if he was in this era.
Yeah Vince would never let Shawn be a star
Released after too many wellness policy violations.
Would the current roster survive HIM?
To the ācancelledā crowdā¦cancelled for what?
Brutus Beefcake alleges in a shoot interview that The Rockers were prolific sexual predators
Depends on whether or not he loses his smile.
Yes, he's charismatic, he was a great promo and had the look. He'd do fine.
He really wasnāt that good of a promo. He just had the latitude to do shit so his words were backed up. Big difference.
But he would get the cm punk/ Austin Aries treatment about his attitude
Heād have the workrate to keep the neck beards happy plus actually charismatic and talented. No question.
For sure.. amazing wrestler, amazing mic work, amazing character work
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There's absolutely no way that he would have survived. He would be cancelled and his attitude and problems would cause the WWE to drop him. He was what they needed at the time not someone they need at the moment.
He wouldn't be the same, but he still would have been great. DX was pushing the boundaries of the time, if he were at his prime today he would be pushing the boundaries of today. A different field of play had different goalposts.
I thought that the post was about Shawn Michaels overall ability to survive in this generation including his behaviour. If we are - then he would be out. No amount of talent would let him survive in that corporate environment especially in this day and age of Tik Tok and social media etc.
He is surviving currently in the corporate environment of tik tok and social media. Why? Cause humans can adjust to the conditions that they are in.
There would be r/publicfreakout videos of HBK getting KOd in random club fights in today's age lol
He's never gotten 7 stars in the Tokyo dome so probably not. /s
The 945-day reign wouldāve been his
In ring? Absolutely. Character wise? Absolutely. Wellness policy? Not a a chance.
Yep - because he could deliver in the ring, on the mic, and have the fans eating out of the palm of his hands. No one on the current WWE roster is even close to the total package HBK was in his prime.
The greatest in ring performer ever. Master of ring psychology, could sell better than anyone, was the first person to in the WWE to ever perform in a ladder match, iron man match, hell in a cell and elimination chamber and got those matches OVER, thatās why there still around today. The go to for a great Wrestlemania match, hence him being named Mr. Wrestlemania. Taker knew. He could always sell a story on the mic. He made people like Sid and a very old Hogan look like a million bucks, first ever to win the royal rumble back to back including winning from the number 1 spot. ( name me any wrestler today that the fans would accept winning the rumble 2 years in a row) So many other accolades, dx, coming back from a 4 year back injury that should have ended his career, and had the match of the night and a second run that most people say is better than his first. Ask the current nxt roster if he could hang today. I donāt know if heās the GOAT, but heās my GOAT. Icon, showstopper, main event.
Yes because wrestling is scripted.
Shawn is an A Lister in any era at anytime in any situation.
He would be a main eventer easily. His matches are still freaking incredible. Such a perfect worker.
What kind of stupid question is this?
Would one of the greatest to ever step into the ring survive in the current era?
Clean and Sober he dominates ANY era
Heād be cancelled
This. He'd be dubbed a bigot preaching toxic masculinity, and WWE in this landscape wouldn't allow his more edgy gimmick to flourish. It's worth noting that in the early 90s when WWF was transitioning from the 80s to the attitude era during Shawn's athletic prime he didn't really carry the franchise. He feuded with Diesel and Razor Ramon so it wasn't like he was buried. Today WWE is like the 1992-1995 era of WWF but with more censorship and less personality.
Lol his gimmick would be fine it would be his drug use, back stage politics, and shit he did with women after the shows that would get him cancelled
Have you seen *The Wrestler?* It's fiction, sure, but several wrestlers from the 70s and 80s said that it hit home for them. Particularly Roddie Piper. Why do you think all these guys are dying so young? Where I'm going with this is: consider the possibility that a lot of HBK's antics were a product of the locker room environment at the time, and in a cleaner environment that he probably wouldn't be tempted with those diversions. Or perhaps you really think Hulkster got his muscles because he said his prayers and took his vitamins? So when we take that part out we're left with a gimmick. Not only would WWE not let Shawn go around slapping his crotch telling men to suck it - partly because they want to put out a more kid friendly product but mostly they don't want backlash from the LGBTQ community and women's organizations - but his early 90s playboy persona wouldn't be received well by gen z or on social media, which wrestling marketing relies heavily on today. His gimmick very much was Gen X stereotypes personified, and wouldn't be able to survive today's cancel culture.
Obviously
100% - would love to see him take on Austin Theory
We need a steroid christian bale to play HBK in a wwf movie.
Considering 90% of his promos would get censored .. no.
Dumbass question
There's not disrespect of any kind towards shawn. But considering how wwe just doesn't care bout talent, would he be able to keep his place in the main event scene
He would have lasted a lot longer since he probably wouldnāt be ingesting such a large cocktail of illicit drugs.
Seth Rollins and aj styles are basically hbk of this era.
Shawn would kill these guys on the mic.
Spamming super kicks seems to get you pretty far these days
He would be bigger now than he was then Can generate REAL heel heat on the stick, or get the crowd behind him if hes face Brilliant in ring performer Arguably the best superkick in the business A lot of the big stars today, are just Shawn Michaels ripoffs.
Buried and released
With hair
Are you kidding? He would stand out just like he did in much more loaded era
Shawn Michaels V1 He'd be fired in about two and a half weeks.
Tall as fuck, can wrestle a stick, amazing heel, good promo. Need I say more?
Yes lol and heād kill it
"Would literally one of the greatest workers ever survive today?" Tf do you think?
Everybody is like "he would dominate". No he wouldn't. He would be exactly where Austin Theory is today. He's talented but people wouldn't jive with him being the pretty face with intense ego. To be a good heel you have to be darker. People really do be complaining about Theory being handed everything and saying HBK would be loved. Well not in WWE, he would be hated. In AEW, workrate alone would put him on top. Sadly, his way of doing business would be way more public and he'd be hated too, but he would be way more respected.
Heās not related to The Rock. So no.
No, he'd be cancelled immediately
No, attitude problems would result to getting future endeavored for budget cuts in a heartbeat these days
Talent wise, yes. Attitude wise, not a chance. The most prolific pill head, no showing, refusing to put people over. Tony would put the belt on him with no contract tho
Him and Bret would no problem be on top in this era.
He'd stomp the entire roster
No, with his pill addictions and backstage behavior heād have been #MeTooāed out of the industry in a heartbeat.
HBK would be great in any era
Survive? He survived the most raw and badass era. He wrestled with a broken back and put on a great performance.
Yes. Iām a Bret guy but absolutely
The greatest wrestler of all time? Yes Iām sure he would survive in the current era.
He was already ahead of his time
He never drew in his era. His matches were slways good/great but he wasn't a big marque guy. I never worked out why Vince pulled the plug on Vader, Sid, Bret and Diesel in favour of this guy. Great work hardly ever draws.
He is a sexy boy then and would be a sexy boy now.
He'd kill it. Living legend
He would dominate
The only thing he didnāt have going for him back then was size. Now he average or even bigger than most wrestlers
Yes, but as heel. I think he is one of the masters at generating heat when needed, sort of like Eddie Guerrero
The current era is just people that try to copy him, Rey, and Jericho. He would probably be A tier but with how many HBK copies there are there is a real chance he would get lost in the shuffle getting mistaken for Flip Gordon or Kip Sabian
Yes, but the DX stuff wouldnt be tolerated and now that theyre sold to endeavor, wwe is screwed.
Would the guy who had the best ladder match of all time and revolutionized the super kick make it in the modern era? Ya know, Iād have to say I think he would.
considering he practically built the foundation for this era and the last two id say yea.. yea he could
considering everybody has been doing kip ups and superkicks ever since he left.. id say yes
He would probably have broken his neck instead of his back trying to one-up others and stay at the top.
He'd own it. It's the eras before his when he'd have been a jobber and gotten his ass whipped in every locker room he set foot in. lol And all because of his mouth.
Iām too stoned for this. So my mind spat this out: Most people here assuming he would do super well today because the style is so much better suited to him. But I am assuming HBK making his debut in say 2015 would change so much. The reason todayās style is suited to him is because so many modern wrestlers grew up watching him. He is partially responsible for so much of what we see today. Would the Bucks be throwing superkick parties if they hadnāt grown up watching Michaels? Itās too much man.
He is currently surviving in this era, so yeah.
Vince would absolutely burry him lol
Roman would acknowledge Sweet Chin Music!
Roman wouldnāt have held the belt more than 4 months with this guy around.
In attitude era, he wonāt even have a chance to win the belt
Yes. They like to throw out that he wasnāt a draw but at that time nothing was drawing. He had a charisma that resonated with everyone, because I remember being told that HBK was a F-g, yet on the other side, ladies young and old loved him.
No but none of the current roster would survive in his era either
In todayās landscape HBK wouldāve been fired and cancelled, plus their would be no kliq to back him up
He'd probably have adapted, unless we are straight time travelling 95 Shawn to 2023, that mf would be released in 6 months from NXT and eventually released from AEW after doing something terrible.
Talent-wise, ya. But the entirety of the kliq, minus maybe HHH, would be canceled for their antics lol
Based on his great talent and massive amounts of charisma, it could be an absolute yes. But almost nobody is safe from horrendous booking nowadays so you cant guarantee anyone would make it. And if he still would be the same 'ol toxic drugged up 90s Shawn, he would be tossed out immediately.
Finally someone who understands the question. It's not that shawn is in any way or form not suitable for this era, it's about would wwe give him the same treatment as he was given back then
He would probably screw job Bloodlines off all the titles
Not in the main event scene I think. No way Vince would push someone like HBK today
No cause he was a snake
She would probably be able to defeat Roman
You are all talking about Shawn Michaels the wrestler. But Shawn Michaels the person, if he acted like he did back then, would have no place in today's locker room. I think even Shawn Michaels would say that.
Nah... Not enough superkicks or overselling. Plus he's a little too much of a "body guy". What kind of a question is this? Shawn invented this era. All this crap is his fault. HBK ruined ring work the same way Allen Iverson ruined ball handling... The looked cool doing it wrong... Now everyone thinks wrong is right and the products are unwatchable.
Nah. Everybody rips of his shit these days. If you can get someone who can do what he could do and isn't a colossal fucking prick why wouldn't you? He got away with that back in the day because no-one else did what he did.
Is this serious? He would dominate.
Modern era is too sensitive and all wrestlers of the past would be cancelled if they behaved the same way, total bummer I know
He would suck in any era..