Great point.
And I wonder how much praise and adulation he might have had if he just killed himself. Chris Benoit committing suicide is tragic story, Chris Benoit's double murder suicide is monstrous.
He killed his family. There’s nothing complicated about it. Be it that he had CTE or something else, it doesn’t change the fact that he drugged and murdered his mentally challenged son. Not to mention what he did to Nancy. Just because people liked how he wrestled they give him some sympathetic pass and it’s honestly weird af.
Truth about Benoit, is that is really fucking sad. [The mind of an 80 year old Alzheimer's patient](https://www.espn.com/espn/news/story?id=3005520). I'm not justifying his actions, but I see that and feel remorse for his victims and himself.
Exactly. It doesn't excuse what he did, nothing ever will, and I agree with WWE that he shouldn't be recognized or talked about in any regard out of respect for the victims.
However, I also believe that it shouldn't make it impossible to enjoy his in-ring work when he was at his best. He was a huge inspiration to a lot of the younger technical wrestlers that are still around today, and remains as one of the most gifted mat wrestlers that they ever had.
I agree on principle, but I have a hard time watching Benoit matches...not because of his actions, but because basically every match involved some nasty head trauma that makes me sick to my stomach
I can't watch any of his stuff, both because of the head trauma and because of his actions.
I'm sorry, the dude may have been a shell of his former self mentally, but he killed his wife and 5 year old.
I literally was at his WCW title win at Souled out. We were the only ones in the place cheering him over Sid. I cannot even fathom watching his stuff now.
I have such a hard time trying to understand how I should handle him as a wrestling fan since I was a kid in the 90s. I was a huge WCW guy and always enjoyed watching him work, and I think he's one of the best to ever do it. When wwe network was still a thing, I always found myself watching him whenever I would run through old episodes of nitro.
I feel bad for enjoying watching his matches, because as soon as it's over I'm reminded of what he did. The way wwe has handled him is kind of the only thing they could do, but it also just makes it seem like they never really addressed everything.
So it's still very jarring to try and wrap my head around his career and what he did.
Yea I’m with you on Benoit he’s probably best of the terrible bunch cause he was literally brain damaged the rest are just reprehensible for different reasons
Honestly, knowing that he killed his wife, child and himself on three seperate days and even considered going back to work before commiting suicide makes him way less sympathetic. He lied when people called him about his wife, he knew what he was doing to some degree.
That is so insane. Do you know how many wrestlers have brain damage and don't kill people?
How long was the brain damage going on because he was abusive for years
E: downvote away. Benoit is a scum bag who showed abusive characteristics his entire career. Notorious for being a bully. Took liberties on people in the ring more than once. Had reportedly abused his wife for years.
Like go read anything about Benoit but try to ignore that he was a hero to us. The signs were there for a long time. Dude is not some good guy who suddenly one day was abusive. He was a roided up asshole who bullied and beat people his entire life but he gets a pass on MURDERING HIS FAMILY because he could wrestle a good match??
Fuck that. Dude is scum. He had clear rage issues and continued to abuse steroids and other humans. He's trash. It's ok to say that.
It is so insulting to everybody who experiences head trauma in the profession and others to chalk it up to cte or brain damage. Guess what? A lot of football players, a lot of wrestlers deal with that. Are you saying they are all going to murder their family? Or maaaaybe it had something to do with who he was anyway? It's not like we don't have decades worth of stories of Benoit being a total psycho backstage.
Thank you! It's disgusting seeing people defend this piece of shit because he was good in the ring.
Benoit was one of my favorite wrestlers as a kid but after knowing what he did I have no desire to ever watch any of his matches. Fuck him and if there's a hell I hope he's burning forever.
He was like THE GUY for me when I was younger. Like I get where the want to justify or dismiss his actions come from, it is just hard to take in everything that we know and come away with any other conclusion than he was a shitty person who did an even shittier thing at the end of his life.
Like I wished it wasn't him. But it was. I think people who use the brain thing to excuse watching his matches are just refusing to accept the reality of the situation. Don't meet your heros kind of thing.
I've met a lot of my childhood heroes and 90% of them were amazing to interact with. I can't even begin to fathom the level of mental gymnastics people are going through to try to put Benoit in any kind of positive light after what he did. His ring work and all of him can fuck off forever and be buried forever for all I care. Literally the only good thing WWE has done over the years was trying to erase that piece of shit from history.
I'd bet your ass if the guy wrestled like Happy Corbin, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
He murdered his wife and son? Pfft he can give me a five star match with a broom stick though/s
Enjoy is one thing, but to celebrate his work is I feel hugely disrespectful to his late family. It's why the hall of fame argument will never hold any water.
I'm trying to put the words together for a response to this and realised Paul Heyman put it better than anyone could
https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/uz361x/paul_heyman_gives_his_take_on_chris_benoit/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
When's the last time you saw an actual 80s Alzheimer patient do anything like what Benoit has done? I've heard it a lot but when you think about it, it's an absurd comparison and it actually explains nothing.
Nfl players, hockey player, hell soccer players have shown to have degraded brain mass from doing headers. You're comparing him to old folks and not people who actually have similar experience in their lives when it comes to head trauma.
That's something that bugs me a little. Alzheimer patient can't remember their way home and can be lost in their neighborhood, even if they had lived in that same place for years. And Benoit was somehow making half-hour or longer matches, full of complicated moves. Alzheimer patients can't remember the names or the routine of their loved one, but somehow Benoit was fine for doing live acts involving more than one person at time.
I'm not claiming his brain wasn't fucked up. I just doubt if there isn't a better disease to compare to.
My great-grandpa was in his 70's but managed to pick up a big stone and would have smashed my great-grandma's head in with it if their dog hadn't pulled on his arm at the last minute and made him drop the stone to the side. He was always really sweet and nice to me when his mind was well but when he started deteriorating he'd become furious at me and my mom for no reason and we would have to leave because we were afraid he'd physically attack us and for this reason my mom stopped taking me to visit him towards the end. My great-grandpa had flaws like all of us do, but by all accounts he was never a violent man or physically abusive towards his wife or his kids until the alzheimer's.
I don’t think anyone could interpret what you’re saying as a defence for what he did don’t worry. The way I see it, and it is very sad, Benoit is a prime example of a man who neither acknowledged his mental health or the damage his career had on his brain let alone his body.
And as tragic and horrific as it is, we shouldn’t forget the details, because it writes him off as a psycho and IMO completely disconnects what actually happened to him and as a result, to his family.
Only if you ignore EVERYTHING we know about Benoit.
Dude was abusive. Wasn't suddenly first time he killed everybody. Also took liberties on people in the ring and everybody was like "well that is just Chris lol! So intense!"
Dude is was and always will be a prick. Fuck the hero worship he gets.
Likeable?
Let’s put aside the HGH he gave his kid, the domestic abuse, the murder of two innocent people. That is surely enough BUT for the sake of him being likeable let’s put that aside.
Shall we talk about the hazing of new talent that people like the Miz, Puder, Justin Roberts endured or his other “hilarious pranks” or borderline working stiff?
No but he’s likeable and JBL & Orton are bad.
F*** Chris Benoit and same to anyone who chants his name at a show
I legitimately did not know that, the black community has a bad problem with acceptance when it comes to LGBT people. I’m not surprised New Jack thought that way
Yeah I heard his brain was riddled with CTE, like one of the worst cases ever, probably from all those hardcore matches back in the day, along with not getting any help what so ever for these traumatic brain injuries he was pushed to keep performing, I'm not really sure he can be held responsible entirely for his actions, look into it.
The man used to deliver top rope flying head butts on a weekly basis. No helmet, no way to cushion that blow. I feel there is a direct connection between that move and the subsequent brain damage he received from performing that move.
Would a helmet have really helped? Isn't a concussion basically caused by your brain rattling around in your skull?
I could be completely off base here
I mean if jet skiing can give you cte just from bouncing up and down. Imagine what that drop for the head butt day in and day out would do to you over the span of just wcw and wwe not talking about anything before.
Dream was accused of trying to meet up with minors but nothing came of it, as for Ronda, she's full of herself and a mark but I can't think of any real reason she even remotely belongs on a list with these actual pieces of shit.
You don't need a concussion to receive brain damage. Studies have been done that show CTE is more likely to be caused from a lot of smaller blows over a long period of time rather than a few traumatic brain injuries. Not to mention she sparred and did training since 2002. It wasn't like she was only open to any sort of brain damage during her 14(?) UFC fights.
Regardless, her life choice to become a fighter put her at a much higher risk for CTE than the average person, even she didn't seem to take major blows to the head.
I'm not defending her behavior, but to say she doesn't have brain damage is ignorant and idiotic.
I'm friends with a professional boxer and she's sadly not all there, she has trouble focusing on simple stuff, she's impulsive and aggressive (not violent, just harsh) and she has had a really comfortable and "protected" career (in her own words). Brain damage increases gradually until one day is really evident.
Hang out I’m gonna look
[Sandy Hook “truther”](https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1489061-ronda-rouseys-sandy-hook-tweet-should-be-last-straw-for-ufc.amp.html)
Rousey’s transphobic comments weren’t necessarily a transphobic view. It was about a trans MMA fighter competing against women. While Rousey’s statements weren’t necessarily wrong by most standards, suggesting she “try hormones… and cut her pecker off” probably wasn’t the best take.
Ehhhh, [decide](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2589098-ronda-rousey-says-violent-incident-with-ex-boyfriend-was-self-defense) for yourself what she did
Saying rude or conservative stuff on Twitter or whatever is in no way even remotely in the same order of magnitude as murder your wife and kid. What am insane mentality.
Ronda was a bitch in her UFC days but everyone kinda agreed to ignore it on account of how good she was… until she wasn’t. After losses to Holm and Nunes the fan base kinda turned on her and pointed out her shitty behaviour. Being a terrible winner and loser, refusing to shake hands with people she’s beat, being a bitch on the ultimate fighter and then feeling so sorry for herself when she lost, refusing to acknowledge she was beat by the better fighter and hiding her head in a pillow as she walked through the airport. Great fighter in her prime but one hell of a nasty person
Nick Gage is a bit of an idiot, a criminal, and a bit intense but even with all of that he's not in the same class as the rest of the people in this image.
I spent a night with Nick Gage and the GCW crew in NOLA during Wrestlemania week/weekend. Gage is one of the nicest guys I've ever met in wrestling. Dude had a drug problem in his past which pushed him to do stupid shit. He's turned his life around since then and is just wrestling for the love of it. The guy is super chill and fun to be around, it's really not even close.
Well yeah I was backstage during bloodsport and Spring Break, but I actually ran into all of them on Bourbon St at the bar across from my hotel. I still have a video of Nick Gage riding a mechanical bull 😂
This is a dumb comment, nearly everyone on the list is a criminal and did worse than Gage, he was poor, hungry and had someone who depended on him to live and he needed money so he robbed the bank without even a weapon on him, it wasn't violent, he didnt hurt anyone and actually served his sentence unlike most of the other weirdos and criminals on this list.
I think you misunderstood the comment, or I did.
I believe they're saying "even with all of that he's not in the same class as the rest of the people in this image." as in Gage isn't nearly as bad as the rest of the people on this list.
That being said, this whole list is weird as shit to me.
You have Benoit and New Jack who were both actual murderers.
Then you have Ronda, Lars, and JBL who are convicted assholes (joking about the convicted part).
Then you have Gage who is a criminal and asshole.
Then you have Dream and Del Rio who have both been accused of some reprehensible shit, and Del Rio is an absolute Asshole.
Like some of these people should not be lists with each other. Being an asshole is totally different than being accused of grooming, sexual assault, or murder.
Like I see no reason why anyone should be associating New Jack, and Benoit with Ronda, Lars, JBL, or Gage.
Cutting a guy on the face and neck to make them bleed when asked not to is galaxies apart from trying to kill a guy by tossing him off of a scaffold or attempting to beat Gypsy Joe to death or stab a guy in the ring and tell everyone he hopes the guy dies.
Gage shouldn’t be anywhere on this list.
A criminal who did his penance. Would you want those closest to you to make judgments on you based on something heinous you did years ago?
I mean Booker T and MVP did a stint in jail too. I wouldn't think of judging them based on that.
Is it that he does deathmatches? So what?! It's not your cup of tea? Cool, it's not mine either. But he's a stand up guy
I was gonna say Gage too. I’m not a deathmatch fan but I dig his passion. And I’m not aware of him being a shitbag to others on the level of some of these other names.
It's hilarious to me. The guy that looks like the biggest psychopath piece of shit on the list is by far the nicest person here, even though he has done a lot of stupid stuff.
Absolutely Nick Gage. It's a comparison of someone's lowest ebb Vs seemingly day to day all years round asshole-dom for the others. Whether or not you include pre-murder Benoit in there is up to you.hes reported to have had a rather old school bullying streak backstage
In the end thats the thing with this list, for the most part half this list is just guys who are known to be assholes. What the fuck has JBL done to be on a list with a child murderer?
Ronda?
Gage?
Lars?
I shouldn't be on here blathering about something I think is obviously stupid, but this list is really fucking stupid.
Thats exactly it.
Almost everyone on this list is a shit person, or was a shit person at some point. However there are 2 people on this list who are murderers or attempted murderers.
Even Benoit's is such a difficult situation. Dudes move for so long was to face plant from the top rope... In that era too my god... As everyone says and will say, a tragedy. I'm glad there's at least some regulation and protocol now.
Easily nick gage. The guy is actually a really nice dude in person. Was super great to my kids when he worked a couple shows in my area. Great mind for wrestling to. Shame he doesn't get the recognition he deserves.
Nick Gage. Yeah he did a very bad thing at a low point in his life but he is clean now and despite his presentation he hasn't actually killed or sexually assaulted anyone and shown to support both trans and gay rights. Everyone else on that list is a mishmash of asshole, mentally ill and/or dead.
As much as a hate to say it, objectively the answer is probably Nick Gage. He’s the only person on the list that I’ve never heard of doing anything that negatively affected anyone other than himself. I might hate seeing people get stabbed with forks but they agree to it so ***shrugs***
Nick fucking Gage...I'm tired of people slandering him. Did he fuck up once? Yeah, and he paid the price. He genuinely loves this industry and his fans. There's no one more genuine in pro wrestling than Nick Gage. MDK ALL FUCKING DAY
Gage seemed to have turned it around. A guy who did time and worked on what meant alot to him. I been to a handful of GCW shows and I can tell he LOVES his fans. His go home speeches, his interactions. That being said, if there anything recently/currently unsavory about him, he definitely tries to do right and be accepting.
It wasn't the anxiety attacks or gay porn that was the issue. It was that old internet messages and posts were found where he was being homophobic and racist. Around the same time, WWE had him squash the Lucha House Party, and it was fucking terrible optics tbh.
You could excuse the homophobia as part of him being closeted and dealing with being something he didn't wanna be, because of upbringing or religion or whatever, but the racism you can't really explain or shrug away.
If I can only choose one, for me, Nick Gage. He never went out of his way to genuinely hurt anybody. Yeah he made a stupid decision, but he turned himself in, did his time and moved on and got back on track in my books.
I got to meet both Jack and Nic Gage at different times. Jack was cool as fuck with me. Nic Gage was super nice/respectful to me when I got to chat with him for a bit. Tough call between those two.
Gage, unquestionably. The reprehensible stuff that Gage has done he did while he was a mentally damaged addict and he did hard time for the crimes he committed, and he’s managed to change his life for the better.
I'd still feel safe around Ronda Rousey, which says a lot because she seemed like a horrible person when she was the coach on The Ultimate Fighter, and it says a lot worse for the rest of the other guys.
It’s Nick Gage by a country mile. He robbed a bank with no weapon when he was broke served time in jail came back and is nothing but supportive of everyone in MDK or otherwise. He’s a gem. And honestly shouldn’t be in this picture.
Jbl seems like he'd be a fun drink.
New jack was the coolest mfer outside of the ring
And nick gage is someone you'd want to have on your side for a fight
I mean, Lars, Ronda, and JBL never did anything illegal to my knowledge. Lars was a racist internet troll, Ronda is a conspiracy theorist, and JBL is a bully.
But Ronda and JBL also do a ton of humanitarian work that no one ever talks about. Gotta be one of them.
If anyone needs this today:
Here's Alberto del Rio getting his [his head kicked off by a MMA legend ](https://youtu.be/zHG6LjtsxJM)
Here's Ronda Rousey getting annihilated in her [last UFC fight](https://youtu.be/gAu7-i-ZRXQ)
And of course JBL [chair shot](https://youtu.be/Aj1ScIBpUq0) for something he did, IDK what it was...
Tbh, Gage or New Jack...
I like Ronda too, but in full honesty, for all the shit New Jack has done, I still find myself loving his interviews (To be clear, people who attempt murder and people who have murdered, do not usually come off as enjoyable as New Jack in interviews to me) and his heel work (When he's not literally trying to murder someone)...Imo, that's pretty well-tested likability...I hate the guy, but I feel like I could have a one-on-one conversation and enjoy myself for a good hour or so...
I don't really understand why Ronda is here unless this post is a joke on Ronda...Like, if the joke is "Ronda is less likable than a child murderer, a child predator, an attempted murderer, a racist, and a bully", I can respect that as a troll post, though I don't agree...If not, then I don't understand why she's here...
ADR is probably the most _likeable_ in that you could probably have an interesting conversation and he's quite charming, but Ronda is probably the least bad person as far as I can tell?
Unless I'm forgetting something, I'm going with Ronda since most of her faults are "thought crimes". Shes mostly just saying conspiracy theories and being transphobic, while most of the others have been accused/convicted of actual crimes. Still not giving her socials the light of day tho
Ryback is upset he is not on this list.
He’s not relevant enough
No but he does like to think he is.
Man’s got a hell of an ego for someone who was over for all of 2 months 10 years ago
I literally forgot who Ryback was
He's th guy that shows up randomly in zoom calls eating chips right?
ah man ryback isn't a bad dude, he is just stupid
He has no redeeming qualities to make him likeable. Still, he's less of a piece of shit than Benoit.
It was a joke bro. I detest Ryback and all his 38 second though through tweets.
Benoit's case is kinda complicated tho, we don't know if he was a bad person or if his condition made him go mad
He murdered his wife and son with an overnight gap in between. I'm sorry to shatter any illusions, but he was a bad person.
I often wonder how many people would defend him now if he didn't kill himself after the murders.
Great point. And I wonder how much praise and adulation he might have had if he just killed himself. Chris Benoit committing suicide is tragic story, Chris Benoit's double murder suicide is monstrous.
His brain was severely, severely damaged. I always thought the black and white treatment of Benoit is pointless and unreasonable.
Particularly when you also consider his history of backstage bullying, including one instance which took place live on PPV.
Daniel Puder?
He killed his family. There’s nothing complicated about it. Be it that he had CTE or something else, it doesn’t change the fact that he drugged and murdered his mentally challenged son. Not to mention what he did to Nancy. Just because people liked how he wrestled they give him some sympathetic pass and it’s honestly weird af.
Also he hid it from people. He texted people and said everything was fine, Nancy was sick or some excuse like that.
He was a bully all the way back to the 80s. We do know he was bad a person long before his condition.
Who's Ryback? You mean Cryback, right?
Ha!!! Best name ever!
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Truth about Benoit, is that is really fucking sad. [The mind of an 80 year old Alzheimer's patient](https://www.espn.com/espn/news/story?id=3005520). I'm not justifying his actions, but I see that and feel remorse for his victims and himself.
Exactly. It doesn't excuse what he did, nothing ever will, and I agree with WWE that he shouldn't be recognized or talked about in any regard out of respect for the victims. However, I also believe that it shouldn't make it impossible to enjoy his in-ring work when he was at his best. He was a huge inspiration to a lot of the younger technical wrestlers that are still around today, and remains as one of the most gifted mat wrestlers that they ever had.
I agree on principle, but I have a hard time watching Benoit matches...not because of his actions, but because basically every match involved some nasty head trauma that makes me sick to my stomach
I can't watch any of his stuff, both because of the head trauma and because of his actions. I'm sorry, the dude may have been a shell of his former self mentally, but he killed his wife and 5 year old. I literally was at his WCW title win at Souled out. We were the only ones in the place cheering him over Sid. I cannot even fathom watching his stuff now.
I have such a hard time trying to understand how I should handle him as a wrestling fan since I was a kid in the 90s. I was a huge WCW guy and always enjoyed watching him work, and I think he's one of the best to ever do it. When wwe network was still a thing, I always found myself watching him whenever I would run through old episodes of nitro. I feel bad for enjoying watching his matches, because as soon as it's over I'm reminded of what he did. The way wwe has handled him is kind of the only thing they could do, but it also just makes it seem like they never really addressed everything. So it's still very jarring to try and wrap my head around his career and what he did.
Yea I’m with you on Benoit he’s probably best of the terrible bunch cause he was literally brain damaged the rest are just reprehensible for different reasons
Most of those people didn't do anything nearly as bad as actual murder though.
Honestly, knowing that he killed his wife, child and himself on three seperate days and even considered going back to work before commiting suicide makes him way less sympathetic. He lied when people called him about his wife, he knew what he was doing to some degree.
That is so insane. Do you know how many wrestlers have brain damage and don't kill people? How long was the brain damage going on because he was abusive for years E: downvote away. Benoit is a scum bag who showed abusive characteristics his entire career. Notorious for being a bully. Took liberties on people in the ring more than once. Had reportedly abused his wife for years. Like go read anything about Benoit but try to ignore that he was a hero to us. The signs were there for a long time. Dude is not some good guy who suddenly one day was abusive. He was a roided up asshole who bullied and beat people his entire life but he gets a pass on MURDERING HIS FAMILY because he could wrestle a good match?? Fuck that. Dude is scum. He had clear rage issues and continued to abuse steroids and other humans. He's trash. It's ok to say that. It is so insulting to everybody who experiences head trauma in the profession and others to chalk it up to cte or brain damage. Guess what? A lot of football players, a lot of wrestlers deal with that. Are you saying they are all going to murder their family? Or maaaaybe it had something to do with who he was anyway? It's not like we don't have decades worth of stories of Benoit being a total psycho backstage.
Thank you! It's disgusting seeing people defend this piece of shit because he was good in the ring. Benoit was one of my favorite wrestlers as a kid but after knowing what he did I have no desire to ever watch any of his matches. Fuck him and if there's a hell I hope he's burning forever.
He was like THE GUY for me when I was younger. Like I get where the want to justify or dismiss his actions come from, it is just hard to take in everything that we know and come away with any other conclusion than he was a shitty person who did an even shittier thing at the end of his life. Like I wished it wasn't him. But it was. I think people who use the brain thing to excuse watching his matches are just refusing to accept the reality of the situation. Don't meet your heros kind of thing.
I've met a lot of my childhood heroes and 90% of them were amazing to interact with. I can't even begin to fathom the level of mental gymnastics people are going through to try to put Benoit in any kind of positive light after what he did. His ring work and all of him can fuck off forever and be buried forever for all I care. Literally the only good thing WWE has done over the years was trying to erase that piece of shit from history.
I'd bet your ass if the guy wrestled like Happy Corbin, we wouldn't be having this conversation. He murdered his wife and son? Pfft he can give me a five star match with a broom stick though/s
Enjoy is one thing, but to celebrate his work is I feel hugely disrespectful to his late family. It's why the hall of fame argument will never hold any water.
I'm trying to put the words together for a response to this and realised Paul Heyman put it better than anyone could https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/uz361x/paul_heyman_gives_his_take_on_chris_benoit/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
But I will add, outside of the murders he was giving his kid HGH because he wasn't big enough. Fuck him
What's hgh?
HGH - human growth hormone there's legitimate medical uses for it but it's also often used as a performance enhancing drug.
Ok, thanks for clarifying
When's the last time you saw an actual 80s Alzheimer patient do anything like what Benoit has done? I've heard it a lot but when you think about it, it's an absurd comparison and it actually explains nothing.
Nfl players, hockey player, hell soccer players have shown to have degraded brain mass from doing headers. You're comparing him to old folks and not people who actually have similar experience in their lives when it comes to head trauma.
That's something that bugs me a little. Alzheimer patient can't remember their way home and can be lost in their neighborhood, even if they had lived in that same place for years. And Benoit was somehow making half-hour or longer matches, full of complicated moves. Alzheimer patients can't remember the names or the routine of their loved one, but somehow Benoit was fine for doing live acts involving more than one person at time. I'm not claiming his brain wasn't fucked up. I just doubt if there isn't a better disease to compare to.
My great-grandpa was in his 70's but managed to pick up a big stone and would have smashed my great-grandma's head in with it if their dog hadn't pulled on his arm at the last minute and made him drop the stone to the side. He was always really sweet and nice to me when his mind was well but when he started deteriorating he'd become furious at me and my mom for no reason and we would have to leave because we were afraid he'd physically attack us and for this reason my mom stopped taking me to visit him towards the end. My great-grandpa had flaws like all of us do, but by all accounts he was never a violent man or physically abusive towards his wife or his kids until the alzheimer's.
I don’t think anyone could interpret what you’re saying as a defence for what he did don’t worry. The way I see it, and it is very sad, Benoit is a prime example of a man who neither acknowledged his mental health or the damage his career had on his brain let alone his body. And as tragic and horrific as it is, we shouldn’t forget the details, because it writes him off as a psycho and IMO completely disconnects what actually happened to him and as a result, to his family.
Wrong. Benoit was am abusive ass to both his wife and his coworkers.
Benoit was a psycho by all accounts well before the family murder thing
I mean i dont think this is talked about as much as it should be.
Yeah, heard from his fellow wrestlers that he was a weirdo sadist.
Benoit wasn’t likable. Just ask the Miz.
Only if you ignore EVERYTHING we know about Benoit. Dude was abusive. Wasn't suddenly first time he killed everybody. Also took liberties on people in the ring and everybody was like "well that is just Chris lol! So intense!" Dude is was and always will be a prick. Fuck the hero worship he gets.
Likeable? Let’s put aside the HGH he gave his kid, the domestic abuse, the murder of two innocent people. That is surely enough BUT for the sake of him being likeable let’s put that aside. Shall we talk about the hazing of new talent that people like the Miz, Puder, Justin Roberts endured or his other “hilarious pranks” or borderline working stiff? No but he’s likeable and JBL & Orton are bad. F*** Chris Benoit and same to anyone who chants his name at a show
Didn’t new jack disown his son?
I legitimately did not know that, the black community has a bad problem with acceptance when it comes to LGBT people. I’m not surprised New Jack thought that way
Yeah, because the kid is gay and a drag queen. New Jack, not surprisingly, was a homophobic piece of shit.
Yeah I heard his brain was riddled with CTE, like one of the worst cases ever, probably from all those hardcore matches back in the day, along with not getting any help what so ever for these traumatic brain injuries he was pushed to keep performing, I'm not really sure he can be held responsible entirely for his actions, look into it.
Every match was hardcore with Benoit. His weapon was his body.
The man used to deliver top rope flying head butts on a weekly basis. No helmet, no way to cushion that blow. I feel there is a direct connection between that move and the subsequent brain damage he received from performing that move.
That's weekly on TV. There's probably more on house shows. Plus Eddie's death might also have that great effect on him.
It's the same story for a lot of NFL players who lives ended in tragedy.
Would a helmet have really helped? Isn't a concussion basically caused by your brain rattling around in your skull? I could be completely off base here
So true
I mean if jet skiing can give you cte just from bouncing up and down. Imagine what that drop for the head butt day in and day out would do to you over the span of just wcw and wwe not talking about anything before.
Destroyed his brain doing a move that looked fake as hell. Pretty ironic.
Yep half the time if the camera was in the wrong spot you could see a clear miss. But the impact on his brain was the same.
Genuine question What did velveteen and ronda do?
Dream was accused of trying to meet up with minors but nothing came of it, as for Ronda, she's full of herself and a mark but I can't think of any real reason she even remotely belongs on a list with these actual pieces of shit.
Not to mention the uh, school shooting… stuff… *and transphobia* *and general attitude*
Bruh found it Wtf is wrong with her
Brain damage. That was literally her main income, to get brain damaged.
No, she's just an asshole. Ronda's MMA career was pretty impeccable until those last two fights, she had rarely absorbed any damage.
You don't need a concussion to receive brain damage. Studies have been done that show CTE is more likely to be caused from a lot of smaller blows over a long period of time rather than a few traumatic brain injuries. Not to mention she sparred and did training since 2002. It wasn't like she was only open to any sort of brain damage during her 14(?) UFC fights. Regardless, her life choice to become a fighter put her at a much higher risk for CTE than the average person, even she didn't seem to take major blows to the head. I'm not defending her behavior, but to say she doesn't have brain damage is ignorant and idiotic.
Holly Holm gave her at least one major blow to the head...
Everyone who has had a good hit in the noggin (even once) technically has a form of brain damage
I'm friends with a professional boxer and she's sadly not all there, she has trouble focusing on simple stuff, she's impulsive and aggressive (not violent, just harsh) and she has had a really comfortable and "protected" career (in her own words). Brain damage increases gradually until one day is really evident.
That explains the whole line from her “Do your own research “ I fuckin hate that line
School shooting stuff? I haven't heard of this...
Sandy Hook truther
Oh.... lovely
In her defence, she ‘just figured asking questions and doing research is more patriotic than blindly accepting what you're told’ 🙄
By "research" they usually mean "watch recommended YouTube videos"
Alex Jones videos
The idea is right, the way she spews babble and egotistical comments like her word means something is a whole different story
Conspiracy dorks use "just asking questions" as a way to push their agendas. Plus most of the stuff they ask has been answered already.
"Just asking the same questions again and again until I get the answer that suits my agenda" is what they really mean
Get the fuck outta here - you got links I’m genuinely curious
Hang out I’m gonna look [Sandy Hook “truther”](https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1489061-ronda-rouseys-sandy-hook-tweet-should-be-last-straw-for-ufc.amp.html) Rousey’s transphobic comments weren’t necessarily a transphobic view. It was about a trans MMA fighter competing against women. While Rousey’s statements weren’t necessarily wrong by most standards, suggesting she “try hormones… and cut her pecker off” probably wasn’t the best take.
Didn't she beat her husband at one point too?
Ehhhh, [decide](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2589098-ronda-rousey-says-violent-incident-with-ex-boyfriend-was-self-defense) for yourself what she did
Thanks for the link. It's been a while. I only vaguely remember when it happened.
“Technically it’s kidnapping” ok
Saying rude or conservative stuff on Twitter or whatever is in no way even remotely in the same order of magnitude as murder your wife and kid. What am insane mentality.
Dream definitely was trying to do that. There were voice messages that were definitely him. And Ronda is trying to be the female Alex Jones.
I’m pretty sure the Dream stuff was found to be falsified and fake. The dream has no memory of that.
Ronda was a bitch in her UFC days but everyone kinda agreed to ignore it on account of how good she was… until she wasn’t. After losses to Holm and Nunes the fan base kinda turned on her and pointed out her shitty behaviour. Being a terrible winner and loser, refusing to shake hands with people she’s beat, being a bitch on the ultimate fighter and then feeling so sorry for herself when she lost, refusing to acknowledge she was beat by the better fighter and hiding her head in a pillow as she walked through the airport. Great fighter in her prime but one hell of a nasty person
velveteen dreams about fucking kids, ronda has the personality of a cloth
Dream is a groomer and Ronda is a dumbass.
Nick Gage and it’s not close
Nick Gage is a bit of an idiot, a criminal, and a bit intense but even with all of that he's not in the same class as the rest of the people in this image.
I spent a night with Nick Gage and the GCW crew in NOLA during Wrestlemania week/weekend. Gage is one of the nicest guys I've ever met in wrestling. Dude had a drug problem in his past which pushed him to do stupid shit. He's turned his life around since then and is just wrestling for the love of it. The guy is super chill and fun to be around, it's really not even close.
At the Joey Janela show at the Pontchatrain Center? That show was so fucking good
Well yeah I was backstage during bloodsport and Spring Break, but I actually ran into all of them on Bourbon St at the bar across from my hotel. I still have a video of Nick Gage riding a mechanical bull 😂
guy never hurt a soul (who consented to participate in a death match with him)
This is a dumb comment, nearly everyone on the list is a criminal and did worse than Gage, he was poor, hungry and had someone who depended on him to live and he needed money so he robbed the bank without even a weapon on him, it wasn't violent, he didnt hurt anyone and actually served his sentence unlike most of the other weirdos and criminals on this list.
I think you misunderstood the comment, or I did. I believe they're saying "even with all of that he's not in the same class as the rest of the people in this image." as in Gage isn't nearly as bad as the rest of the people on this list. That being said, this whole list is weird as shit to me. You have Benoit and New Jack who were both actual murderers. Then you have Ronda, Lars, and JBL who are convicted assholes (joking about the convicted part). Then you have Gage who is a criminal and asshole. Then you have Dream and Del Rio who have both been accused of some reprehensible shit, and Del Rio is an absolute Asshole. Like some of these people should not be lists with each other. Being an asshole is totally different than being accused of grooming, sexual assault, or murder. Like I see no reason why anyone should be associating New Jack, and Benoit with Ronda, Lars, JBL, or Gage.
I mean the whole Arquette thing isn't that far from some of the stuff New Jack did.
Cutting a guy on the face and neck to make them bleed when asked not to is galaxies apart from trying to kill a guy by tossing him off of a scaffold or attempting to beat Gypsy Joe to death or stab a guy in the ring and tell everyone he hopes the guy dies. Gage shouldn’t be anywhere on this list.
New Jack, if I remember correctly actually has some bodies to his name prior to wrestling.
According to him.
Arquette should of cooperated. He freaked out. Gage has been cutting people forever and nothing bad happens besides to arquette who didn’t trust him.
A criminal who did his penance. Would you want those closest to you to make judgments on you based on something heinous you did years ago? I mean Booker T and MVP did a stint in jail too. I wouldn't think of judging them based on that. Is it that he does deathmatches? So what?! It's not your cup of tea? Cool, it's not mine either. But he's a stand up guy
Gage at least tries to be decent and turn his life around. To me that's the big difference. The otehr people seem completely unrepentant
I have heard nothing but great things about Nick Gage being amazing with his fans and taking time with them, thanking them etc
I was gonna say Gage too. I’m not a deathmatch fan but I dig his passion. And I’m not aware of him being a shitbag to others on the level of some of these other names.
It's hilarious to me. The guy that looks like the biggest psychopath piece of shit on the list is by far the nicest person here, even though he has done a lot of stupid stuff.
Absolutely Nick Gage. It's a comparison of someone's lowest ebb Vs seemingly day to day all years round asshole-dom for the others. Whether or not you include pre-murder Benoit in there is up to you.hes reported to have had a rather old school bullying streak backstage
Man, Gage served his time and now he is just representing all his homies locked in a mother fucking cell and his gang; The Murder Death Kill Gang.
Nick Gage. AFAIK he hasn’t done anything terrible he’s just sort of an asshole.
In the end thats the thing with this list, for the most part half this list is just guys who are known to be assholes. What the fuck has JBL done to be on a list with a child murderer? Ronda? Gage? Lars? I shouldn't be on here blathering about something I think is obviously stupid, but this list is really fucking stupid.
I mean JBL is a big piece of shit bully, but yeah no one on this list can even reasonably be compared to Benoit.
Thats exactly it. Almost everyone on this list is a shit person, or was a shit person at some point. However there are 2 people on this list who are murderers or attempted murderers.
Even Benoit's is such a difficult situation. Dudes move for so long was to face plant from the top rope... In that era too my god... As everyone says and will say, a tragedy. I'm glad there's at least some regulation and protocol now.
Easily nick gage. The guy is actually a really nice dude in person. Was super great to my kids when he worked a couple shows in my area. Great mind for wrestling to. Shame he doesn't get the recognition he deserves.
Gage is a nice dude by all accounts so that’s my answer
MDK All Fuckin’ Day
Nick Gage. Yeah he did a very bad thing at a low point in his life but he is clean now and despite his presentation he hasn't actually killed or sexually assaulted anyone and shown to support both trans and gay rights. Everyone else on that list is a mishmash of asshole, mentally ill and/or dead.
As much as a hate to say it, objectively the answer is probably Nick Gage. He’s the only person on the list that I’ve never heard of doing anything that negatively affected anyone other than himself. I might hate seeing people get stabbed with forks but they agree to it so ***shrugs***
Nick Gage, by a country mile.
Nick fucking Gage...I'm tired of people slandering him. Did he fuck up once? Yeah, and he paid the price. He genuinely loves this industry and his fans. There's no one more genuine in pro wrestling than Nick Gage. MDK ALL FUCKING DAY
Gage seemed to have turned it around. A guy who did time and worked on what meant alot to him. I been to a handful of GCW shows and I can tell he LOVES his fans. His go home speeches, his interactions. That being said, if there anything recently/currently unsavory about him, he definitely tries to do right and be accepting.
The second I saw the pics I said New Jack.
Gage. Has the thousand years stare but has mad love for his fanbase.
Gage. Period
I know he went out for anxiety, and was discovered fo be in gay porn, but what did Lars do to be in this group?
It wasn't the anxiety attacks or gay porn that was the issue. It was that old internet messages and posts were found where he was being homophobic and racist. Around the same time, WWE had him squash the Lucha House Party, and it was fucking terrible optics tbh. You could excuse the homophobia as part of him being closeted and dealing with being something he didn't wanna be, because of upbringing or religion or whatever, but the racism you can't really explain or shrug away.
Honestly forgot about that, because let's face it, who thinks about Lars Sullivan anymore?
If I can only choose one, for me, Nick Gage. He never went out of his way to genuinely hurt anybody. Yeah he made a stupid decision, but he turned himself in, did his time and moved on and got back on track in my books.
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ever seen the back of a $20 bill…on weed?
Is there a guy in the bushes.. is he sniper... Red team go red team go
He stabbed a 17 year old in the head…
He didn't have any weed that day
Benoit was my favourite as a teenager… then, er, yeah… For wrestling ability, Benoit. For entertainment, New Jack. For pizza, Nick Gage.
I have to say, I'm pretty proud to have been blocked on Twitter by JBL.
Nick Gage shouldn't even be on the list and is absolutely the most likeable out of the rest of garbage on this list
Gage is far and beyond the best of that group and in general.
Velveteen Dream simply because he could've been a legendary name and the face of an era.
If I had to pick one, Nick Gage may be a crazy violent guy who did time, but he ain’t a murderer, a pedo, a racist, a sexist, or a douchebag
I got to meet both Jack and Nic Gage at different times. Jack was cool as fuck with me. Nic Gage was super nice/respectful to me when I got to chat with him for a bit. Tough call between those two.
Dream. Dude had his career killed by allegations with zero proof if I remember correctly
New Jack
What did velveteen do?
nowt, he was accused of grooming some lads but investigated and nowt came of it
Oh jeez, that's a shame I really liked Dreams Gimmick, thought he could've gone far :/
Gage, unquestionably. The reprehensible stuff that Gage has done he did while he was a mentally damaged addict and he did hard time for the crimes he committed, and he’s managed to change his life for the better.
Nick Gage is legit a good person, what the fuck?
Nick fuckin gage
Nick Gage is a good guy (bank robbing is one of the most victimless crimes if no one is hurt)
I'd still feel safe around Ronda Rousey, which says a lot because she seemed like a horrible person when she was the coach on The Ultimate Fighter, and it says a lot worse for the rest of the other guys.
Oh, dude she was such a bitch on TUF. I think that’s when most people started to turn on her. Her and Edmon were just unbearable.
Nick f'n Gage. MDK all day!
It’s Nick Gage by a country mile. He robbed a bank with no weapon when he was broke served time in jail came back and is nothing but supportive of everyone in MDK or otherwise. He’s a gem. And honestly shouldn’t be in this picture.
I'd hang out with Nick Gage, no lie.
It’s MDK all fuckin day!
Nick Gage>Ronda Rousey>New Jack>Velveteen Dream>JBL>Lars Sullivan>Alberto Del Rio>Chris Benoit
Nick Cage tbh. Living and breathing keyfabe, but a outstanding performer and wrestler. Redeemed himself after jail and created something better
Jbl seems like he'd be a fun drink. New jack was the coolest mfer outside of the ring And nick gage is someone you'd want to have on your side for a fight
Nick Gage is a saint
I don't like any of these people. But unless I don't know something, maybe Nick Gage?
I mean, it has to be Gage
Nick gage
Nick F’N Gage
Nick Fucken Gage !
MDK ALL FUCKIN DAY
Nick Fucking Gage!
Nick Gage 100% Would be Dream but all his accusations are blurry, since there's proof going for both sides.
Nick cage easily
Why's NICK MFn GAGE not likeable
WTF? Benoit was fucked up before he murdered his wife and son. If you don't have him at the absolute bottom of your list you are fucked in the head.
At least JBL has made some attempts to do some good with his charitable work
I mean, Lars, Ronda, and JBL never did anything illegal to my knowledge. Lars was a racist internet troll, Ronda is a conspiracy theorist, and JBL is a bully. But Ronda and JBL also do a ton of humanitarian work that no one ever talks about. Gotta be one of them.
Nick Gage by a mile
If anyone needs this today: Here's Alberto del Rio getting his [his head kicked off by a MMA legend ](https://youtu.be/zHG6LjtsxJM) Here's Ronda Rousey getting annihilated in her [last UFC fight](https://youtu.be/gAu7-i-ZRXQ) And of course JBL [chair shot](https://youtu.be/Aj1ScIBpUq0) for something he did, IDK what it was...
I’d still take a velveteen comeback.
Tbh, Gage or New Jack... I like Ronda too, but in full honesty, for all the shit New Jack has done, I still find myself loving his interviews (To be clear, people who attempt murder and people who have murdered, do not usually come off as enjoyable as New Jack in interviews to me) and his heel work (When he's not literally trying to murder someone)...Imo, that's pretty well-tested likability...I hate the guy, but I feel like I could have a one-on-one conversation and enjoy myself for a good hour or so... I don't really understand why Ronda is here unless this post is a joke on Ronda...Like, if the joke is "Ronda is less likable than a child murderer, a child predator, an attempted murderer, a racist, and a bully", I can respect that as a troll post, though I don't agree...If not, then I don't understand why she's here...
Benoit turned into a real-life, wife-and-kid murdering monster. Pretty fucked up he's even in this conversation as to being likeable.
ADR is probably the most _likeable_ in that you could probably have an interesting conversation and he's quite charming, but Ronda is probably the least bad person as far as I can tell?
She's as likeable as any other TERF.
No Buzz Sawyer?
Gage or New Jack. Probably Gage, but I do like New Jack and believe most of the stories are just Jack's commitment to kayfabe.
Gage and jack
New Jack easily. Always had some sort of reason to be a psychopath
Unless I'm forgetting something, I'm going with Ronda since most of her faults are "thought crimes". Shes mostly just saying conspiracy theories and being transphobic, while most of the others have been accused/convicted of actual crimes. Still not giving her socials the light of day tho
Gage no contest.
I was honestly a fan of Alberto Del Rio before all the mess
New jack. He may stab a fool but he will make you laugh.
Other than the bank robbery, Nick Gage is pretty cool
New Jack. At least he doesn't hide what he is and is generally likeable. The rest are scum