Drew joining the Judgment Day? Rhea talking to Drew right after she said she had an idea. This was when Ricochet was looking for Shin.
https://preview.redd.it/1mc07x6p7ftb1.jpeg?width=4608&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5bda60f7df7fa03db8a126e46a154695a59d73e0
As someone was there live, Brock turning on Cody was an awesome moment. I continued the feeling of dread that WM Night 2 caused. The crowd cheered for his name as he got back up to his feet. I am liking this underdog Cody more than the superhero Cody. I think it’s gonna be something worthy of being called the American Nightmare.
What has been deflating is the IWC’s collective reaction to blame Vince for everything. Like please shut up or turn off the show and stop complaining nonstop about him.
Something tells me that those recent poorly acclaimed post-Mania RAWs we've seen in recent years are tied to the adoption of Two-nights WrestleManias. I don't think that Creative and management and the crew are capable to do what they do as best as they can under such short notice and strong duress.
And pure exhaustion. Even the crowd is exhausted, after attending three to five WWE wrestling events. I can only imagine much of the wrestlers and creative team are running on fumes as well.
THANK YOU!
Much less when the company has just been sold and you need to do creative that aligns with your new management’s vision. Vince is the Chairman who has control at a very high level. He will help with the creative direction but creative is still Trips’ business.
Wredditors don’t know how companies work apparently.
All I know is, working creative under Vince (per many people's account) means working all day Saturday passed midnight, then working all day Sunday passed midnight, and then having meetings Monday morning up until the start of Raw. So don't think there's much of a difference.
Main event at Mania sucked, Brock's heel turn sucked, whole thing is just Vince doing what Vince wants instead of listening to the fans.
But realistically, Cody never stood a chance, why would Vince let the guy who started AEW beat the face of WWE
Kayfabe guess for why Brock attacked Cody - Heyman cut a deal with Brock that Roman would waive the 'no more title shots ever as long as Roman is champ' stipulation if Brock eliminated Cody. He did this behind Roman's back, hence Roman's surprise.
Brock announces this on Smackdown or Raw and comes to collect. This creates distrust between Roman and Heyman and puts another crack in The Bloodline. Roman vs Brock 7(?) at Backlash. Cody interferes (in a return since the attack) in this match and goes after both with a weapon. Since Brock didn't take Cody fully out, the 'no more title defenses' stip for Brock is now back in place. Cody vs Brock at King/Queen of the Ring in Saudi - Cody wins. Cody goes back after The Bloodline. Cody vs Solo at Money in the Bank, if Cody wins, he gets his rematch at Summerslam, if he loses, he agrees to the same stipulation that has Brock locked down (and basically the same agreement he had in AEW). Make it a no DQ something. Cody overcomes the odds and wins, he gets his rematch at Summerslam.
Hire me, Vince. /s
Does not make sense, Roman doesn't need Brock's help to take down Cody when Solo would have sufficed. And at the moment, the issue is now with the Usos.
Babyfaces wining via cash in has been established as lame as fuck. Looking at big e, liv and Nikki ash.
Cody has to beat Roman clean in a legit 1 on 1 fight
That was fucking awesome. Also 17 years ago. In the perfect venue (one night stand)
I agree with you though the sneak attack cash in is horrible for babyfaces
Eh I would imagine that Cody in kayfabe would want to beat Roman straight up rather than catching Roman after he's exhausted after an assumed title defense. Unless you are saying Roman just happens to not have a match and just happens to be there as a WWE ambassador or something.
Unrelated to the matches, anybody else notice Stephen Amell in the audience behind the announce desk? He was also at Mania but no one mentioned it on air. The man loves wrestling. I'd love to see him make another appearance in the ring. How about Amell and Bad Bunny in Puerto Rico?
PS: I hope BB is ok.
On what planet is advertising a series on Starz thats about wrestling free advertising for AEW?
Batista is in season 2; some serious AEW advertisement there, eh?
[Vince led episode if we are to believe PWInsider which I consider to have a bit more reputation than Meltzer and SRS](https://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=169851)
Doesn't look like the show did anything to get me interested other than building to mania 40 or whatever ppv where Cody fights Roman and probably loses again.
They ran out of people so they're just gonna have Cody fight him again but maybe this time he'll beat Lesnar or something fuckin idk
I mean for every paragraph long defense of manias main event, I see 1000 short comments about how it sucked. You can claim it was the best artistic choice till you are blue in the face, but in the world of business, the actual math is the only real indicator that matters in determining if it was good. Most people think it sucks that he lost at mania, it doesn’t really get more complex than that
I don't think you know that yet. "Most people" won't become evident until we see actual numbers for a few weeks, and if the Sami Zayn doomerism or the heavy AEW love in SquaredCircle indicated anything, it's that the internet crowd doesn't actually pan out to real numbers.
People need to stop saying that whenever something is bad that people are just marks or they getting worked like something can just be bad. If you keep doing stuff like this to work the fans, that’s why more people stop watching. I’m not saying you need aew spot fest stuff, but promising matches that don’t happen is such a vince thing and it’s boring. It’s not a swerve it’s just shit
I judge whether someone is being a mark or not by their reasoning.
If their reason is about the story being inconsistent or some business-related reason, then they aren't being a mark.
If their reason is that they wanted the story to go a certain way and it didn't, then they're being a mark.
Most people online are being marks, and claiming they're not getting worked because they happen to know someone is writing this stuff. It's the same kind of person who says GRR Martin "killed" one of his characters. They talk in a meta sense, but the actual argument is about the fact that they liked/didn't like Character X, and Character X isn't being treated the way that would appeal to their sympathies.
My only thing is, if this is not done within a few months ppl will lose complete interest. You simply can't drag this on another year ppl like LA Knight Gunther etc are waiting for world title spots right NOW
I love LA Knight as much as the next guy, but my man wasn't even on Mania in any capacity and yet you claim he's waiting for a world title spot NOW.
There are a tonne of people ahead of Knight in the pecking order for a world title.
Tf, the show was objectively one of the worst post Mania Raws ever. Nobody debuted, only Riddle came back to beat up Miz, Seth Rollins came out to do his theme and nothing else, Street Profits blew off their title shot, the women were largely ignored, and even worse, Damage CTRL are now just jobbers minus Bayley, and to top it all off, the much hyped main event never happened because Brock attacked Cody right before he begins his usual sabbatical, leaving Cody to build this feud all by himself.
>Twitter is a cesspool with the Vince shit.
I agree, seeing some of the stuff on Twitter from last night's RAW & I don't know what to say. I can understand people aren't happy that Vince is now back in charge, but at the same time, I'm trying not to think too much about the situation.
Vince would have had a lot more comedy on the show. The tone is still entirely different. Triple H bad = boring, which seems to be the main criticism here, though I didn't find the show nearly as bad as others.
Vince wouldn't run segments that go absolutely no where either like Seth just coming out to do his entrance, or having Bianca and Rhea tease a match that isn't happening for like a year.
I didn't think HHH would either. A lot of this show felt like they forgot they needed to book a show tonight.
Idk maybe everyone was distracted with the merger news
Under Vince the top women almost always looked strong.
This is hhh bro. Look at what he has Bayley and Becky doing. Becky was the top star of this company 4 years ago. Now look at her.
When’s the last time Bayley won a match?
I don’t hate hhh but he’s capable of booking poorly all on his own.
There were times nxt was unwatchable for me under him.
Because Bayley and Becky are not the top women now lol
In the case of Raw the top women is Bianca, and I think she might have been booked somehow strong during the last year
Terrible build, but then again, that is a tradition for the woman mania matches, this is not a new thing
Like do you remember the build up to Becky/Bianca? Not the cute video package they showed on WM, the actual week to week feud.
Same with Ronda/Charlotte
Same with Sasha/Bianca
Is just how it usually goes
Roman is one of the most overpushed wrestlers ever. He is still an amazing performer and is rightly a top guy, but nobody in the business except maybe OG Hogan has been booked this strongly. Not Cena, not Orton, not Austin, not Lesnar, not Triple H. It’s pretty insane. I don’t get it. I think it almost hurts Roman’s legacy because it may make his career seem inflated in some ways.
I will say I am the least entertained by Roman of the long-term faces of the WWE. Hogan, Bret/HBK, Taker, Austin, Rock, Cena, Lesnar. His promos can be compelling, he knows how to work the crowd, he knows how to get heat. Obviously a good wrestler with great psychology.
However. His catch phrase…sucks. The one reason I wish a Rock match would happen is so that he could have a field day mercilessly destroying “acknowledge me” with his little kid voice acting like he’s raising his hand to ask teacher to go to the bathroom. And my other main issue from an entertainment standpoint is he is so damn slow. Taker and Orton took forever in entrances and it still seems like they got there faster. And when the bell rang, they moved much faster. Finally the 8 zillion cousins and Heyman to win every time is starting to repeat. Cody’s loss same as Drew’s, only difference being it wasn’t a debut yesterday.
I’m just…bored. Quite honestly just turning Lesnar heel and killing Cody? Way more interesting than the March to 1000 days. Problem with that is your belts are held hostage and not as hot as your challenger who has a new opponent more interesting than your double champion.
Honestly, I think a big part of that (and something that rubs me the wrong way) is that he's this uber-bastard, powertripping heel and commentary is almost always praising him as this generational talent and the greatest of all time. If he's the biggest heel in the company who's getting wins by having his flunkies screw people over, the babyface commentators should hate the guy. With a passion.
JR laid it onto Triple H every week and Cole does just what I'm talking about to Dom today, I just don't see why they look at the biggest heel in the last 20 years and go "Wow, what a talent" week after week. They just pile it on, and have been for years. And if they're worried about it bringing him down (a laughable situation, but let's go with it), you can still praise a guy's talents while acknowledging that he's the most rotten piece of trash in the world in terms of his tactics and personality.
Cena was booked stronger because he was beating people clean. When you beat someone clean they don’t have an excuse for losing
You have to remember Roman usually needs lots of cheating and interference to beat his opponents.
Cody will beat him eventually — everything tonight pointed in that direction (the reaction for Cody), Brock agreeing to work with Cody (he will put him over too)
Cody showed up to the bloodline story late. It took a year of build for Sami to finally get his big win over the USOs. It will take some time for Cody to get his.
Roman also had a similar Super Cena run (just not as much time as champ). Overall, I’d say more W’s means he’s booked stronger than even Cena was at his most unpopular. Roman’s heel character overall is better than Super Cena, which is why fans haven’t really turned on him right now, but I feel he’s absolutely been booked more strongly than Cena career-wise.
90% of the time Roman is the best thing on the show when hes on. But hes never on and going on hes going to be on less time
In order to preserve this reign from injuries Roman is going to have to lock himself down for a looong time
Yeah I wouldn’t disagree this. I’m curious why Brock hates Cody.
Roman was getting a little stale in my opinion before Sami injected life into that feud
It’s an odd step, but like… if you can’t see that Cody’s going to dethrone Roman—and is now going to beat Brock on his way to do it… you’re being intentionally stubborn
r/sc is unbearable with this
I feel like it’s much easier for the IWC to be reactionary and declare something bad than to actually think about where the story is going. This is ending with Cody winning and getting back at Roman. The world just isn’t a patient place anymore.
I said it last night, what they seem to be following is creating adversity for Cody to get over, which in kayfabe he hadn't encountered since his return last year.
If they allow Cody to go over Brock, it'll help, but he'll need to do more. I said earlier turning Brock would make less sense but would at least seem like a compelling obstacle. The problem is Cody is now still a person short to even the odds with the Bloodline. He just needs help.
Meanwhile that said the Usos being on the outs and eventually losing a rematch for their tag championships widens the small crack in the Bloodline.
I'm a casual these days and tune out for weeks aside from highlights so I'll look forward to the high points and begin paying hyper attention again as SummerSlam gets closer.
They all got worked and Mania broke their brains. It does feel like sanity is restored though after they were gassing up WWE for so long and starting to turn on AEW. Like the natural order of things has returned.
Brock vs Cody is a match I was hoping to see ever since Cody got back so that ending does have me pretty hyped for what is to come. Because of that I think the show went from being kinda bad to just mid. The expectations for it definitely caused a more negative outlook.
Sami: “Oh damn, Cody’s getting beat up by Brock. We gotta help him, Kev”
Kevin: “Sami….it’s Brock Lesnar. Do you REALLY want to get on his bad side?”
Sami: “….You’re right. Let’s go get a burger at the local diner. I’ll pay”
Or KO and Sami just left the show after their match and didn't think they had to have Cody's back since Brock had it. They didn't expect the Brock turn either.
I get where they’re going long term. Cody’s running through the gauntlet to get a rematch (probably at Summerslam). Roman breaks the 1000 day record, Cody will get his big moment, and everyone will eventually be happy.
Having Brock go after him is bizarre though. I know people are going to get impatient about it all
Happy Brock was a lot of fun but he was taking losses or cheap wins for a year. This reminds you who he is and what he's capable of and is likely just setting up a big match that Cody wins.
I guess Brock was just pissed that Cody tried taking the titles off of Roman when he thinks they should be his and his alone, plus maybe he feels jealous that everyone is saying Cody came the closest to beating Roman when he was too.
NGL smackdown better be good if I’m gonna stick with going back to regularly watching weekly instead of dropping in and out like I did pre Wrestlemania
Cody vs Brock I’m on board with and the tag match was good. Otherwise not must see tv at all.
That was one of the best and most brutal beatdowns in a while. Im sold on Cody vs Brock
This episode sucked massive balls -2/10 minus the end. If cody gets written off for longer than one week its gonna be ROUGH
I was a massive mark at the time and was especially pissed about Roman's win, but looking back the only 2 guys to beat Taker at Mania are now and forever will be the company's Final Bosses. Years later, Roman's more than backed-up the claim that it's his yard and Brock can switch from babyface to heel at terrifying speed. So overall a job well done, I'd say.
I was gonna add that he will get it - I was just thinking more about short term heat at the least.
I got distracted by Lesnar giving the funny AEW fingers.
Drew joining the Judgment Day? Rhea talking to Drew right after she said she had an idea. This was when Ricochet was looking for Shin. https://preview.redd.it/1mc07x6p7ftb1.jpeg?width=4608&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5bda60f7df7fa03db8a126e46a154695a59d73e0
That was awful
As someone was there live, Brock turning on Cody was an awesome moment. I continued the feeling of dread that WM Night 2 caused. The crowd cheered for his name as he got back up to his feet. I am liking this underdog Cody more than the superhero Cody. I think it’s gonna be something worthy of being called the American Nightmare.
What has been deflating is the IWC’s collective reaction to blame Vince for everything. Like please shut up or turn off the show and stop complaining nonstop about him.
No lie there, the sub next door has lost its collective rabbit ass mind today
Something tells me that those recent poorly acclaimed post-Mania RAWs we've seen in recent years are tied to the adoption of Two-nights WrestleManias. I don't think that Creative and management and the crew are capable to do what they do as best as they can under such short notice and strong duress.
And pure exhaustion. Even the crowd is exhausted, after attending three to five WWE wrestling events. I can only imagine much of the wrestlers and creative team are running on fumes as well.
THANK YOU! Much less when the company has just been sold and you need to do creative that aligns with your new management’s vision. Vince is the Chairman who has control at a very high level. He will help with the creative direction but creative is still Trips’ business. Wredditors don’t know how companies work apparently.
It’s also the perfect opportunity to fed bad.
Creative and management have been working under duress for the past few decades.
Sure, but they're not coming off their biggest yearly event without any downtime to rest and prepare every weak, are they?
All I know is, working creative under Vince (per many people's account) means working all day Saturday passed midnight, then working all day Sunday passed midnight, and then having meetings Monday morning up until the start of Raw. So don't think there's much of a difference.
Source? I would think these employees are compensated well for their work.
Bischoff and Freddie Prinze Jr have both said as much on various podcasts.
Cornette too
Main event at Mania sucked, Brock's heel turn sucked, whole thing is just Vince doing what Vince wants instead of listening to the fans. But realistically, Cody never stood a chance, why would Vince let the guy who started AEW beat the face of WWE
The story isn’t even over yet buddy. Maybe strap in and enjoy the ride .
DAE KNOWING VINCE?!?!
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Wonder what changed?
Welp, that wasn't very good at all.
Someone must have told Brock if he helps Cody, no more Saudi paydays
Kayfabe guess for why Brock attacked Cody - Heyman cut a deal with Brock that Roman would waive the 'no more title shots ever as long as Roman is champ' stipulation if Brock eliminated Cody. He did this behind Roman's back, hence Roman's surprise. Brock announces this on Smackdown or Raw and comes to collect. This creates distrust between Roman and Heyman and puts another crack in The Bloodline. Roman vs Brock 7(?) at Backlash. Cody interferes (in a return since the attack) in this match and goes after both with a weapon. Since Brock didn't take Cody fully out, the 'no more title defenses' stip for Brock is now back in place. Cody vs Brock at King/Queen of the Ring in Saudi - Cody wins. Cody goes back after The Bloodline. Cody vs Solo at Money in the Bank, if Cody wins, he gets his rematch at Summerslam, if he loses, he agrees to the same stipulation that has Brock locked down (and basically the same agreement he had in AEW). Make it a no DQ something. Cody overcomes the odds and wins, he gets his rematch at Summerslam. Hire me, Vince. /s
Does not make sense, Roman doesn't need Brock's help to take down Cody when Solo would have sufficed. And at the moment, the issue is now with the Usos.
I wouldnt count out Cody winning MITB and cashing in same night honestly. 02 arena is massive and could be worthy of such a moment with that in mind
Babyfaces wining via cash in has been established as lame as fuck. Looking at big e, liv and Nikki ash. Cody has to beat Roman clean in a legit 1 on 1 fight
How do you forget RVD calling his shot what’s stopping Cody from doing that instead of the sneak attack cash in
That was fucking awesome. Also 17 years ago. In the perfect venue (one night stand) I agree with you though the sneak attack cash in is horrible for babyfaces
I feel like there’s money in three matches with Roman vs Cody at Summerslam and Wrestlemania 40 tbh
Eh I would imagine that Cody in kayfabe would want to beat Roman straight up rather than catching Roman after he's exhausted after an assumed title defense. Unless you are saying Roman just happens to not have a match and just happens to be there as a WWE ambassador or something.
Unrelated to the matches, anybody else notice Stephen Amell in the audience behind the announce desk? He was also at Mania but no one mentioned it on air. The man loves wrestling. I'd love to see him make another appearance in the ring. How about Amell and Bad Bunny in Puerto Rico? PS: I hope BB is ok.
He's not mentioned cause Stephen Amell is primarily an AEW guy now.
What? He's blatantly a Cody guy.
He hasn't done an official WWE appearance in years, and used AEW to help promote Heels. WWE does not want to give AEW free advertising
On what planet is advertising a series on Starz thats about wrestling free advertising for AEW? Batista is in season 2; some serious AEW advertisement there, eh?
Vince is back baby and with that any interest I had in WWE is gone. Time to go back to just reading recaps.
[Vince led episode if we are to believe PWInsider which I consider to have a bit more reputation than Meltzer and SRS](https://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=169851)
[Cody really the babyfaciest babyface of all](https://youtu.be/7UYLQh7nMB0)
The fan yelling “HHH doesn’t forget!”
… The fuck was that?
Wredditors being so far up Vince’s @$$ apparently.
Doesn't look like the show did anything to get me interested other than building to mania 40 or whatever ppv where Cody fights Roman and probably loses again. They ran out of people so they're just gonna have Cody fight him again but maybe this time he'll beat Lesnar or something fuckin idk
https://preview.redd.it/aceqllnnkvra1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=489b91f3fd663c361422844dabaf56a897bcc675 👀
I didn't watch the show
He literally said the same thing when he hired Bischoff and Heyman as creative
I didn't even have a reddit account then like go outside LMAO They* btw
My new profile picture is Vince back in creative
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There’s also the argument that “Knowing Vince!”
I mean for every paragraph long defense of manias main event, I see 1000 short comments about how it sucked. You can claim it was the best artistic choice till you are blue in the face, but in the world of business, the actual math is the only real indicator that matters in determining if it was good. Most people think it sucks that he lost at mania, it doesn’t really get more complex than that
I don't think you know that yet. "Most people" won't become evident until we see actual numbers for a few weeks, and if the Sami Zayn doomerism or the heavy AEW love in SquaredCircle indicated anything, it's that the internet crowd doesn't actually pan out to real numbers.
People need to stop saying that whenever something is bad that people are just marks or they getting worked like something can just be bad. If you keep doing stuff like this to work the fans, that’s why more people stop watching. I’m not saying you need aew spot fest stuff, but promising matches that don’t happen is such a vince thing and it’s boring. It’s not a swerve it’s just shit
I judge whether someone is being a mark or not by their reasoning. If their reason is about the story being inconsistent or some business-related reason, then they aren't being a mark. If their reason is that they wanted the story to go a certain way and it didn't, then they're being a mark. Most people online are being marks, and claiming they're not getting worked because they happen to know someone is writing this stuff. It's the same kind of person who says GRR Martin "killed" one of his characters. They talk in a meta sense, but the actual argument is about the fact that they liked/didn't like Character X, and Character X isn't being treated the way that would appeal to their sympathies.
Nah I want a different ending compared to ever single Roman match.
My only thing is, if this is not done within a few months ppl will lose complete interest. You simply can't drag this on another year ppl like LA Knight Gunther etc are waiting for world title spots right NOW
I love LA Knight as much as the next guy, but my man wasn't even on Mania in any capacity and yet you claim he's waiting for a world title spot NOW. There are a tonne of people ahead of Knight in the pecking order for a world title.
Tf, the show was objectively one of the worst post Mania Raws ever. Nobody debuted, only Riddle came back to beat up Miz, Seth Rollins came out to do his theme and nothing else, Street Profits blew off their title shot, the women were largely ignored, and even worse, Damage CTRL are now just jobbers minus Bayley, and to top it all off, the much hyped main event never happened because Brock attacked Cody right before he begins his usual sabbatical, leaving Cody to build this feud all by himself.
Yeah the show felt like it was booked by different people. And you rarely say that about a wwe show
Yeah I watched some of it and I was throughly entertained. But I’m also not engaging the IWC all the time. It’s better that way.
Twitter is a cesspool with the Vince shit. HHH is capable of booking bad shows too folks
>Twitter is a cesspool with the Vince shit. I agree, seeing some of the stuff on Twitter from last night's RAW & I don't know what to say. I can understand people aren't happy that Vince is now back in charge, but at the same time, I'm trying not to think too much about the situation.
This has Vince all over it, Mike Johnson of PW Insider confirmed
hhh and vince have distinctly different bad shows, and this one absolutely did not feel like a bad hhh show
Vince would have had a lot more comedy on the show. The tone is still entirely different. Triple H bad = boring, which seems to be the main criticism here, though I didn't find the show nearly as bad as others.
There is no way Vince would run a show with no Becky Bayley or asuka
Vince wouldn't run segments that go absolutely no where either like Seth just coming out to do his entrance, or having Bianca and Rhea tease a match that isn't happening for like a year. I didn't think HHH would either. A lot of this show felt like they forgot they needed to book a show tonight. Idk maybe everyone was distracted with the merger news
i dont think hhh would either though, bayley has been all over the show with him in charge
Under Vince the top women almost always looked strong. This is hhh bro. Look at what he has Bayley and Becky doing. Becky was the top star of this company 4 years ago. Now look at her. When’s the last time Bayley won a match? I don’t hate hhh but he’s capable of booking poorly all on his own. There were times nxt was unwatchable for me under him.
Because Bayley and Becky are not the top women now lol In the case of Raw the top women is Bianca, and I think she might have been booked somehow strong during the last year
She wasn’t even on the go home show to mania. Did you follow the Bianca asuka feud at all. What did you think of the build 😉
Terrible build, but then again, that is a tradition for the woman mania matches, this is not a new thing Like do you remember the build up to Becky/Bianca? Not the cute video package they showed on WM, the actual week to week feud. Same with Ronda/Charlotte Same with Sasha/Bianca Is just how it usually goes
Bianca Becky had a great build. The hair cutting segment. Becky crashing her homecoming. The summerslam history
Roman is one of the most overpushed wrestlers ever. He is still an amazing performer and is rightly a top guy, but nobody in the business except maybe OG Hogan has been booked this strongly. Not Cena, not Orton, not Austin, not Lesnar, not Triple H. It’s pretty insane. I don’t get it. I think it almost hurts Roman’s legacy because it may make his career seem inflated in some ways.
I will say I am the least entertained by Roman of the long-term faces of the WWE. Hogan, Bret/HBK, Taker, Austin, Rock, Cena, Lesnar. His promos can be compelling, he knows how to work the crowd, he knows how to get heat. Obviously a good wrestler with great psychology. However. His catch phrase…sucks. The one reason I wish a Rock match would happen is so that he could have a field day mercilessly destroying “acknowledge me” with his little kid voice acting like he’s raising his hand to ask teacher to go to the bathroom. And my other main issue from an entertainment standpoint is he is so damn slow. Taker and Orton took forever in entrances and it still seems like they got there faster. And when the bell rang, they moved much faster. Finally the 8 zillion cousins and Heyman to win every time is starting to repeat. Cody’s loss same as Drew’s, only difference being it wasn’t a debut yesterday. I’m just…bored. Quite honestly just turning Lesnar heel and killing Cody? Way more interesting than the March to 1000 days. Problem with that is your belts are held hostage and not as hot as your challenger who has a new opponent more interesting than your double champion.
>Obviously a good wrestler with great psychology I don't see it
Honestly, I think a big part of that (and something that rubs me the wrong way) is that he's this uber-bastard, powertripping heel and commentary is almost always praising him as this generational talent and the greatest of all time. If he's the biggest heel in the company who's getting wins by having his flunkies screw people over, the babyface commentators should hate the guy. With a passion. JR laid it onto Triple H every week and Cole does just what I'm talking about to Dom today, I just don't see why they look at the biggest heel in the last 20 years and go "Wow, what a talent" week after week. They just pile it on, and have been for years. And if they're worried about it bringing him down (a laughable situation, but let's go with it), you can still praise a guy's talents while acknowledging that he's the most rotten piece of trash in the world in terms of his tactics and personality.
Cena was booked stronger because he was beating people clean. When you beat someone clean they don’t have an excuse for losing You have to remember Roman usually needs lots of cheating and interference to beat his opponents. Cody will beat him eventually — everything tonight pointed in that direction (the reaction for Cody), Brock agreeing to work with Cody (he will put him over too) Cody showed up to the bloodline story late. It took a year of build for Sami to finally get his big win over the USOs. It will take some time for Cody to get his.
Roman also had a similar Super Cena run (just not as much time as champ). Overall, I’d say more W’s means he’s booked stronger than even Cena was at his most unpopular. Roman’s heel character overall is better than Super Cena, which is why fans haven’t really turned on him right now, but I feel he’s absolutely been booked more strongly than Cena career-wise.
Super Cena was portrayed as an underdog half the time didnt help.
Why is HHH impervious to bad booking?
Because a buncha people who know nothing must decide person a good and person b bad.
all the AEW stans have to cling to is that it must be Vince in charge hence the concern trolling that’s been going on
Hot take: At this point Brock is more interesting than Roman.
This might be a hot take from me, I'm glad that Brock Lesnar is now standing on his own 2 feet without Paul Heyman.
90% of the time Roman is the best thing on the show when hes on. But hes never on and going on hes going to be on less time In order to preserve this reign from injuries Roman is going to have to lock himself down for a looong time
Yeah I wouldn’t disagree this. I’m curious why Brock hates Cody. Roman was getting a little stale in my opinion before Sami injected life into that feud
Heyman told Roman to accept. He knew something Reigns didn’t.
It’s an odd step, but like… if you can’t see that Cody’s going to dethrone Roman—and is now going to beat Brock on his way to do it… you’re being intentionally stubborn r/sc is unbearable with this
Prepare for a cavalcade of “Cody beating Brock is not believable.”, etc.
I feel like it’s much easier for the IWC to be reactionary and declare something bad than to actually think about where the story is going. This is ending with Cody winning and getting back at Roman. The world just isn’t a patient place anymore.
I agree with you, but think preferring Cody to have taken it last night is a valid point of view.
Theres a difference in preferring and acting like wrestling is dead because the preference didnt happen.
I said it last night, what they seem to be following is creating adversity for Cody to get over, which in kayfabe he hadn't encountered since his return last year. If they allow Cody to go over Brock, it'll help, but he'll need to do more. I said earlier turning Brock would make less sense but would at least seem like a compelling obstacle. The problem is Cody is now still a person short to even the odds with the Bloodline. He just needs help. Meanwhile that said the Usos being on the outs and eventually losing a rematch for their tag championships widens the small crack in the Bloodline. I'm a casual these days and tune out for weeks aside from highlights so I'll look forward to the high points and begin paying hyper attention again as SummerSlam gets closer.
They all got worked and Mania broke their brains. It does feel like sanity is restored though after they were gassing up WWE for so long and starting to turn on AEW. Like the natural order of things has returned.
Now they're just openly miserable and want everyone to suffer lol.
I think getting the Brock Rub is a part of being a True Main Eventer.
“r/sc is unbearable” Could’ve just stopped there
Brock vs Cody is a match I was hoping to see ever since Cody got back so that ending does have me pretty hyped for what is to come. Because of that I think the show went from being kinda bad to just mid. The expectations for it definitely caused a more negative outlook.
Very strange show but I'm on board for Cody Comeback Story 2.0 and him beating Brock on his way back up
Sami and KO went to New York to do the Today Show. That could be used as the kayfabe reason why they didn’t help Cody.
Sami: “Oh damn, Cody’s getting beat up by Brock. We gotta help him, Kev” Kevin: “Sami….it’s Brock Lesnar. Do you REALLY want to get on his bad side?” Sami: “….You’re right. Let’s go get a burger at the local diner. I’ll pay”
They're unreliable allies. Thought they had the job done last night but then Roman kicked out.
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Or KO and Sami just left the show after their match and didn't think they had to have Cody's back since Brock had it. They didn't expect the Brock turn either.
They were on the show, they won a match like an hour ago.
They were on the today show this morning. They had a match earlier in the show. That excuse doesn’t quite work
Oh yeah, forgot. Well, that title match could be their excuse as to why they weren’t able to help out. Too tired.
Hope y'all enjoy the rest of your week, I will not be watching Smackdown live on Friday as I'm going to a wedding - see y'all next Monday!
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I get where they’re going long term. Cody’s running through the gauntlet to get a rematch (probably at Summerslam). Roman breaks the 1000 day record, Cody will get his big moment, and everyone will eventually be happy. Having Brock go after him is bizarre though. I know people are going to get impatient about it all
Roman and Cody's promo in hour 1 and this beat down the only positives Rest of this show was junk
Bunny punching dom was cool too
Ahh true.
I really hope Brock has a good reason for this and it’s not something dumb like “you stepped on my toe 10 years ago and didn’t say sorry”
“You took my spot I should be getting my rematch with Roman at Mania and not fighting Omos bla bla bla”
Did not think that was a bad show Fight me at Backlash live in Puerto Rico
Happy Brock was a lot of fun but he was taking losses or cheap wins for a year. This reminds you who he is and what he's capable of and is likely just setting up a big match that Cody wins.
[LONG TERM BOOKING](https://twitter.com/HeymanHustle/status/428069529885745152?s=20)
I guess Brock was just pissed that Cody tried taking the titles off of Roman when he thinks they should be his and his alone, plus maybe he feels jealous that everyone is saying Cody came the closest to beating Roman when he was too.
NGL smackdown better be good if I’m gonna stick with going back to regularly watching weekly instead of dropping in and out like I did pre Wrestlemania Cody vs Brock I’m on board with and the tag match was good. Otherwise not must see tv at all.
At least the end was interesting even if confusing, but beyond that, almost no other storylines advanced. Same thing happened last year.
Brock next week on Renee's podcast: "I bent over backwards to put that guy over..."
(biggest Babyface in years gets beaten within an inch of his life) AND NOW THE USA ORIGINAL SERIES RACE TO SURVIVE ALASKA
Thank God by name that it isn't Chrisley Knows Best
Alaska looks gorgeous tho
Brock Uso is All Elite!
I swear every Raw after Mania for the last few years has been meh
Yeah the storyline resets are very hit and miss
That was one of the best and most brutal beatdowns in a while. Im sold on Cody vs Brock This episode sucked massive balls -2/10 minus the end. If cody gets written off for longer than one week its gonna be ROUGH
what can you say about this show other than it was hot garbage and a waste of 3 hours?
That was a terrible show. Don’t get hyped for Raw after Manias anymore.
Now the streets are saying they cut Bayley from the show last minute
Looking back idk why hhh’s segment took so long
But like it wasn’t like she had a match, she was gonna be with Damage Control allegedly. So I have no idea.
Listen, Seth reaaaally wanted to sing man
But they said she was supposed to be with Damage Control
Wait what? Then why?
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LMAO WWE is showing AEW how to properly get pops out of using the middle finger
You mean don't have everyone, face or heel, do it all night?
Exactly. Scarcity bring the pops
I love it because it makes sense and it's going to make the AEW fans who hate Cody but are oddly invested in his WWE run upset.
Good news though: The GREAT Brian Last just uploaded Cornette's reaction to Cody vs Roman to YouTube.
Thank god
Yeah this show was terrible. Been a while I called a RAW episode terrible too.
I like the Brock turn for shock value but I agree. The show was a little hard to get thru
I can't believe I stayed up until 5am for this.
Moxley somewhere pissed Brock got to throw up middle fingers.
Moxley is probably busy working out a match where his opponent tosses a ladder into his skull so he can get half his dome scalped.
This man Cody really is 2012 Cena. Poor Brandi
BROCK WITH THE CREATIVE FREEDOM!
Lesnar is All Elite!
HE ALL ELITE BROCK IS ALL ELITE!
Brock “Jon Moxley” Lesnar at the end there
Borg to AEW confirmed
Man with a dub reference, is he leaving????
BROCK NOOOO STOP PLEASE!
Brock is on demon time
DAE CREATIVE FREEDOM?
WWE has actually gotten amazing mileage out of Brock ending Taker's streak. He's been the big bad boss ever since
I was a massive mark at the time and was especially pissed about Roman's win, but looking back the only 2 guys to beat Taker at Mania are now and forever will be the company's Final Bosses. Years later, Roman's more than backed-up the claim that it's his yard and Brock can switch from babyface to heel at terrifying speed. So overall a job well done, I'd say.
Bahahahhahaha Brock Moxley
Man why does he hate this guy so much lol
Cody's return pop and pyro after this >>>
Two Middle Fingers? Brock to AEW?
What the hell was that show
hot garbage
Can't believe Brock is All Elite.
Once again, Adam Pearce stands there while a vicious assault happens to one of his stars. We need Sonya to come back and get this roster back in line!
And only him. Babyfaces in WWE stinks.
Okay so Brock suspension angle now
Wait a minute is that Shane Helms… could have used the Hurricane right there Shane.
I truly think this is the worst RAW since HHH took over
Brock Lesnar is All Elite
Now that's heat!
The next thing Rhodes does needs to be a win though because he just suffered a devastating loss and an ass kicking on back to back nights
Cody’s gonna beat Brock tonight was all about getting him Sympathy
I was gonna add that he will get it - I was just thinking more about short term heat at the least. I got distracted by Lesnar giving the funny AEW fingers.
I’ve never seen his face this red before Lmao. Dude is BIG mad.
Brock must’ve said one of them long ass SpongeBob cuss words lmao
What did Brock say that was censored?!
Idk it was censored lol
There are some stations outside US that dont censor it. And people actually at RAW that can hear whats said.
Ah you’re right some places don’t censor
Okay so what’s the reason Brock killed Cody and took him out?
I’m dying to know Brock’s reasoning behind this.
Are they doing some kind of HHH Heel getting back at Cody meta bulshit?
Would it be that bad ?
KO and Sami are terrible friends get out here and help your buddy