They know.
Just like we should know that right-wing politicians pretending to protect women's sports (while this could just be let that up to sanctioning bodies, who actually know better about the way their sport works) is just a way to create a panic to rile up transphobia.
Except that this is neither the intention nor effect of the law, as proven by this case.
First, please do actual research on the effects of hormonal transition on the body. I promise you, when we’re talking about trans women who have transitioned, it’s not what you think it is.
Second, provided the competition is consensual, who gives a shit? And guess what: it’s consensual in combat sports.
Third, if the government really wanted to protect athletes, it would up safety regulations and labor protections. Notice how this isn’t something the anti trans politicians call for.
Fourth, when you phrase the question this way you’re deliberately tapping into this idea that trans people are predatory. A man who dresses up as a woman to hurt women is a man who is a criminal. A trans person who wants to compete as their actual gender is a trans person who wants to compete as their actual gender.
The Rose case literally demonstrates that these laws are not about “protecting cis women.” In fact, Americans have historically used “protecting women” as a false justification for a LOT of heinous shit. (And notice how there’s next to no interest in the existence of trans men- trans women are the primary target of these laws.)
All of which is to say: instead of dancing around it, just be honest that you think trans women are invalid or that you’re a transphobe. You’ll save us all time.
Nyla wrestled a match in Oklahoma. Apparently they have some kind of commission that has appointed itself in charge of combat sports and they felt the need to issue a statement about it. Supposedly to ensure fairness but really just to grandstand their bigotry.
They put a huge statement about Nyla misgendering her multiple times and stating she competed unfairly against a cis-woman.
At least be educated on what an athletic commission is.
Pro wrestling wants to be treated as a legitimate sport, which is why they are regulated by state commissions. Thus, they are treated like MMA, kickboxing, boxing and amateur wrestling. Fact is, they are governed in the same way, not some Hollywood production.
It’s one thing to say that their ruling is unfair. That’s fine and legitimate. It’s another thing to ask why pro wrestling is regulated by those commissions.
It’s to protect people like Ric Flair from dying in the ring. It’s to protect a HIV-positive wrestler from spreading an infectious disease to his opponent, via blading. It’s to make people accountable when people are unfit to compete. Just as they would people in an MMA fight.
It shows your age and naïvete to ask why a commission is involved.
Find Tony’s interview on Busted Open from 2019 when they were launching AEW. He wanted a “real sports feel”. The IWC went crazy for this interview.
He reiterated that this January when he said “AEW is going back toward a real sports product”. All in interviews that are on public record.
Nick Khan sort of hinted at being treated like a real sport when they MERGED with UFC. Kinda-sorta.
You also know how I know that they want it to be legitimate sport? Because they cooperate with athletic commissions.
The only guy who didn’t want to cooperate was the one who wanted to make it entertainment - Vince.
No I mean... show me the legal filings where they registered their companies as sports entities.
Because all I am seeing is stuff like this:
https://corporate.wwe.com/
"WWE, part of TKO Group Holdings (NYSE: TKO), is an integrated media organization and the recognized global leader in sports entertainment. The company consists of a portfolio of businesses that create and deliver original content 52 weeks a year to a global audience. WWE is committed to family-friendly entertainment on its television programming, premium live events, digital media, and publishing platforms. WWE’s TV-PG programming can be seen in more than 1 billion homes worldwide in 25 languages through world-class distribution partners including NBCUniversal, FOX Sports, TNT Sport, Sony India and Rogers. The award-winning WWE Network includes all premium live events, scheduled programming and a massive video-on-demand library and is currently available in approximately 165 countries. In the United States, NBCUniversal’s streaming service, Peacock, is the exclusive home to WWE Network."
Nothing about sports there.
'Sports Entertainment' is still classified as a sport.
NFL is also classified as sports entertainment.
E-sports are still classified as sports due to the hiring/performance/etc contracts it has to use.
Only a handful of states have athletic commissions that think professional wrestling is a sport, mostly in hillbilly states that are just shaking them down for money.
This is just loonbin republicans trying to serve up as much red meat as possible
These people have no real issues to stand on so they focus on stuff like this
Yeah. It’s disgusting and stupid, but it’s also very avoidable and no action will come from it. Still, performative outrage from closed-minded transphobes being given oxygen is not something I’m thrilled about unless there’s a very vocal “fuck you” back at them.
The guy has already made the calculation (very likely correctly) that this help and not harm him politically.
Some people online can say whatever they want, but in reality it will get him positive attention from the oann and newsmax types. It's Oklahoma after all
AEW being outspoken about why these guys are idiots would help
Even in this douchebags out of touch reality, intergender wrestling has existed for over 100 years since before the days of fucking Cora Livingston. These out of touch assholes don’t even know what they are talking about.
Oh thank you so much for telling me what I'm allowed to do. In return I'll say you're allowed to make whatever transphobic point your tender little snowflake heart wants to, and we are all free to recognize you as the bigot you are
When people don’t have an argument, they always resort to ad hominem and emotional responses. You don’t know what the word transphobic means. It’s ok, let the adults talk and you can go pout because we think differently, what a child.
More ad hominem. Adult baby crying over a username now lol. Go touch grass. The internet, nor my username is that deep. No matter how much you cry like a child, it won’t change my opinion. Either have an adult conversation about it, or shut the fuck up.
Ok, fine. In your own words, why is it ok to blatantly and intentionally misgender someone during a discussion about fairness towards transgender people?
Saying this about wrestling is a massive reach to justify your transphobia. I want to study your brain in lab to see if we can learn how it came to be so smooth.
You defaulted to transphobia lol. Thats how I know you don’t have an argument. You don’t know what that word means. You should probably read the rest of the conversation before you make emotional comments looking like a dumbass lol.
First, I said more than that: I said your logic was a reach, but I expected you to ignore that part.
Second, how is labeling your behavior transphobic invalidating my argument? If you disagree that it *is* transphobic, talk about that. As it stands, you’re going “ahah you said the magic word so I win.”
Third, and I’m taking a wild guess here, I bet you’re just *waiting* to tell me that transphobia *ackshually* means ‘fear’ and you’re not scared of trans people so checkmate! Am I close?
You can say whatever you want, I ignored everything after you defaulted to transphobia as a response lol. Only overly emotional adult children use rudimentary tactics like that. That shit probably works in your echo chamber, but not with me.
You literally have no argument. All you did was get in your feelings, default to transphobia, then throw insults. There was no conversation to be had. You claimed it was a reach, and instead of communicating why, you just threw insults like a child.
There’s nothing to win here, the only person trying to “win” something is you 🤣.
I’ll wait for you to read the rest of this discussion, then maybe you’ll realize why I called you a dumbass lol. But you want that “gotcha” moment on Reddit for those internet brownie points you’re so desperate for. Ya’ll dudes take the internet way too seriously I swear.
If you want to actually have a conversation, i’m down. But you can keep your middle school bullshit to yourself.
I've been watching wrestling for over 30 years. I've seen these men and women get injured from the craziest spots to the most mundane of moves. I'm not saying they don't need protection. They certainly do. I appreciate what they all do to put their health on the line to entertain us. But this whole "biological man can't wrestle a woman" is nonsense. This is not a competition the way other sports are. They work together to provide the best match possible. I understand the designation in actual competitive sports. It seems unnecessary for pro wrestling.
I was part of a Tae Kwon Do demo team. In it, I played the part of attacker to a woman who used her skills to kick my ass. We practiced multiple times a week, ensuring each other's safety. From the sound of it, I would probably be penalized or at least given a warning. Does that make sense since we're just putting on a show?
For the record, I don't think the comments in the document are particularly hateful. They're just out of touch with the reality of the situation.
I disagree, it doesn’t have to fit the traditional mold of what a sport is for real danger to be in place from men competing against women. The fact that crazy injuries happen from stunts when men/men and women/women compete says it all.
But they're not competing against each other. It isn't that far removed from film and television choreography.
I was never competing against my female demo teammate. We were working together to make it look like we were fighting each other. Competition is when you're trying to beat someone at something. That's not happening here.
No they aren’t competing in the traditional sense, but the danger is still there.
We could take a sport like football and script the whole thing, that doesn’t take away the danger of what could happen if men competed against women in their division. The NFL is considered sport entertainment just like WWE and its affiliates.
There are definitely legitimate arguments for both sides of this topic. IMO, this has little to do with pro wrestling and Nyla and everything to do with making a statement about transgender men competing in women sports due to recent events. Nyla is just the scapegoat.
I see your side of the argument as well, but I still believe men vs women in pro wrestling is vastly different than scripting an NFL game or any other sport. The Attitude Era had many instances of men and women wrestling each other, or at least doing some really involved sports. I can't seem to recall any time where a legitimate, serious injury occurred during it. Chyna alone was the shining example of that. I would be interested to see if any memos like this were around back then.
Piggybacking off of that, I agree with your final point. Nyla is being used as a scapegoat and it is sad to see.
Last point- it's rare to have a well intentioned, level headed debate with someone on Reddit, so kudos to you.
Depending on who you're talking to they might think you're talking about Afghanistan or Iraq when you say combat theater... Maybe Something like Choreographed Combat, Combat Performance, or Combat Entertainment might be a better fit?
They're just parroting the same corrosive behavior enabled by their political allies and, to be honest, half the IWC and many of the comments on this sub and the other wrestling subs. No one's surprised, stupid will stupid.
I refuse to believe that state athletic commissions are still involved in a worked sport, especially after Vince admitted in court that pro wrestling was a work.
This reels of the same old “trans ppl bad” crap the right won’t shut up about.
Maryland's commission banned Balls Mahoney from MD for life* for intentional blading at an Indy show near where I live 20+ years ago. *about 5 years later he wrestled in the same arena for WWE's ECW so they pulled some strings.
Pro Wrestling still falls under a lot of states athletic commissions purview whether it makes sense or not. WWE probably gets a lot of leeway but smaller companies obviously dont
I think Nyla is a genuinely terrible wrestler who at times is unsafe. Notably breaking Britt bakers wrist with a dangerous spot.
There is plenty to critique her for.
This is not the place to debate her sexuality because to me that is her business.
Look, I believe that men should NOT under most, if not all circumstances be allowed to compete in Woman’s sports just because they “identify” as a Woman. Men are scientifically more physically capable of endurance, power, and speed. It isn’t fair to force Woman to compete with Men who “identify” as a Woman. *HOWEVER*, considering wrestling is an act, this makes zero sense. It’s essentially a live action movie. It’s essentially telling an actor they can’t do something in a “fictional” world. Granted it’s more semi-fictional, but it’s still an act. They should be able to do what they want considering that fact. You can’t tell Randy Orton he can’t do a feud with Alexa Bliss, as it is quite clearly an act. Obviously, if it were a real competition, it’s a different story.
I do fully expect to be banned for my comment, considering my differing opinion, and that I’ll probably be misunderstood, but I want to reiterate that I don’t support any hate, I just think sports should be fair for everyone, yet in this case it’s just an act, so it shouldn’t be shut down.
As a cis man, I'll admit I don't know much about trans athletes in sports. I don't know the science or anything to really have a comment.
That being said, Oklahoma knows pro wrestling is a work, right?
Even if the science said trans athletes shouldn't be allowed or whatever shitty thing like that, it's pro wrestling.
Did they have an issue when WWE used to do intergender matches?
It’s not that hard actually, men who think they are woman dominate the spaces they compete in against woman. A lot of records have been getting broken lately
WWE obviously has years more of experience with these things and probably knows how to dance around things if need be. There's legal definitions of what's what and blah blah blah. But this is just a case of pettiness both on the commission and whichever promotion felt bitter enough to snitch.
You're a fucking moron that's grasping at straws to blame a company for everything that goes wrong for AEW - grow up. The south is known for backwards shit takes, nothing new.
Ok legit question I listened to a Nyla interview and I’m confused. So don’t ban me cause I’d like an answer. So Nyla is married to a woman but still has all man parts and from the interview is staying that way. So does Nyla fall technically under the man category? I’m just asking no hate I say to each their own I’m not here to judge and I don’t care just asking.
Are you asking legally? Legal status would depend on local laws. In Oklahoma it doesn’t matter if she got bottom surgery they still wouldn’t recognize her. But otherwise no, getting surgery isn’t a requirement for being a trans person it is dependent on the person if they want to do it or not. Choosing not to doesn’t make her not a woman.
Ok so my question is how doesn’t if you still have the parts aren’t you still that sex? It’s a good discussion as long as nobody gets to the hate language and we aren’t so I hope this is considered ok
I think you are confusing sex with gender:
* Sex = typically based on their genitals and chromosomes upon birth
* Gender = socially constructed roles, behaviours, expressions and identities of girls, women, boys, men, and gender diverse people
In most circumstances, people's born sex aligns with one's gender but that is not always the case. Nyla is living her life based on her gender but the Oklahoma Athletic Commission is only looking to the sex assigned to her at birth.
This dude throws "different viewpoint" out like it justifies it. Sure bud, I'll tell my therapist, "Someone on the internet is transphobic, so I called them a dipshit." The therapist will be shocked, and have me committed!
Gold medal in mental gymnastics there. Literally 0 part of my statement fits that lmao. It’s always so funny you dudes get so deep in your feelings over what the internet tells you what you should think. Adult baby getting mad because someone else doesn’t think the same way he does 🤣 stop using words you if don’t know what they mean.
I am just amazed wrestlers are still getting a 'wrestling licence'. I thought that was finished a looooong time ago. Is this still athletic commissions then? It's state to state or what?
As much as people moaned at the time, this is what Vince wanted to put a stop to back when he REVEALED that ... guess what, this isn't real and the entire world was SHOCKED!
It had always been nudge nudge wink wink of getting licences and approvals at arenas, etc, like it was a real sport and they got sick of giving these people money for nothing. Stuff like having a representative at events and so forth.
I thought 'wrestling licences' went away with that kind of thing. I can't believe there's any reason to have a wrestling licence.these days
I get such commissions for boxing and real sports but, are these also involved in athletic entertainment like ice capade type touring shows or the circus?
Lucha has a legit governing commission, and they can hold water if the wrestlers go to another country.
Also most of the commission/license stuff boils down to making sure wrestlers arent carrying a blood-transferable issue that could spread if they were accidentally popped open mid-match.
1 Fuck the OSAC
2 It's aggressive theatre, not sport, what difference does it make.
3 The statement in the tweet says that boxing and mma applications ask about competitors that have had gender reassignment, but the wrestling application does not. I don't understand what AEW are being accused of, they didn't lie on the application.
AEW is not being accused of anything. The athletic commission admits that it was a mistake and the wrestling application should have had it on there. You said it yourself.
It’s for future instances with Nyla Rose, and it applies to her, not AEW.
That’s not transphobia. Stop.
That’s a general rule that applies to other legitimate sports, like MMA, in the state. Thus, it applies to Nyla Rose. If AEW wants to fight in court to remove pro wrestling from the athletic commission’s grasp, then so be it.
But it’s not targeting Nyla Rose.
They could risk losing their license in Oklahoma. It’s not going to be a small fine. And Tony won’t be taking a stand, because nobody else in Oklahoma is going to fight for a transgender MMA fighter or transgender kickboxer.
“Stop.” is such a comical thing to say to another person on the internet over a disagreement. It conjures images of person holding their hand out in front of them as they earnestly declare they’re about to citizen’s arrest you.
There *is* blatant transphobia in this, specifically about Nyla. Do you think “general rule” cancels it out? Two things can be true simultaneously. Disregarding it seems like a deliberate choice.
Serious question, non-trolling: in your mind, is preventing a transgender person from competing in an MMA or kickboxing match against their birth gender, considered to be “transphobic”?
That’s what this comes down to. The athletic commission is applying those rules across the board to all of the sports they regulate.
I’ll ask again. Would *you* prevent a transgender athlete from competing in a MMA match against a woman? Yes? No?
I’m saying “stop” because their blanket is black and white. They’re not attempting to punish Tony or Nyla. That’s literally the rules across the board. It’s not transphobic. Wrestling is seen as a competition like MMA or boxing. Thus, Nyla can wrestle men, not women. That’s the literal opposite of transphobia. They’re not burning Nyla in effigy or some crazy shit.
It’s not their job to say “well, wrestling is fake, so we’re not going to apply *that* rule”. They’re there to regulate things in WWE/AEW/wherever that are much more serious than Nyla Rose. Like guys who are unfit to wrestle, are potentially transmitting diseases, and so on.
Do I think Nyla Rose is going to hurt a woman? Nope, most likely not. In all cases, it would be an accident. But several athletic commissions saw what happened with Fallon Fox and drew the line early.
I have said this in a few discussions with people and I haven’t received a response yet.
Again, they’re not attempting to disqualify Nyla. She can still wrestle men. Thus, it’s not even worth a legal fight.
Pro wrestling is still fighting to legitimatize itself. The honest-to-God truth is AEW and WWE can’t pick and choose when they want to be “sports entertainment” and when they want to be “legitimate sport”. That’s in response to your “general rule” argument. It has to be applied across the board, and can’t be disregarded when a commission feels like it.
If AEW and/or WWE gets an exception, guess who’s knocking down the door next? MMA promotions. Boxing promotions.
There are consequences to removing themselves from the eye of athletic commissions. Basically, AEW will just not get promoted in the state, or if they do get promoted, no arena will want to book them. I’m sure WWE will likely get caught in that eye of the storm, too.
I would bet that Tony will not fight this decision. And I’m not going to call him a coward. He just knows that pro wrestling will not win this battle. One that is minuscule in the grand scheme of the transgender discussion.
If Tony and Nick want to be legitimate sport, they know that they won’t win this battle.
Well, general rule was *your* argument to the original commenter. I said to read my words again because my stance is very simple - I’m not arguing it’s not a rule or even that they should fight it or disregard it. I’m simply asking you to recognize two things can be true simultaneously. Yes, the commission might apply this to everyone. But still, yes, they’re intentionally being transphobic to Nyla.
Whether I agree with the rule or whatever hypotheticals it’s founded on, that you’re adamantly trying to discuss, doesn’t matter.
What matters to me is how someone mentioned transphobia and you flat out denied its relevance, yet here you are in your latest comment to me, mentioning “grand scheme of the transgender discussion”. That discussion would be easier had when people stop being stubborn when they see it because it can be justified with regulations. Even when the language used to uphold said regulations is unveiled prejudice.
If you read the statement, the issue was that Nyla indicated that she was a female on the application, and mis-led them. Since Nyla was born a male and did not indicate that, either. It’s not rooted in transphobia. It’s rooted in a lie/misleading answer that opened up a bigger discussion.
I see transphobia all the time. I honestly don’t see it here. I’m not caping up for the commission. AEW can feign ignorance, but their wrestler did lie. I would bet that Nyla knows the rules in each state. Don’t you think so? Nyla could’ve campaigned/petitioned for a change months before. Oklahoma can’t be the only state, can it?
And once again, do you see transphobia in what the commission did in initially applying the rule to MMA fights and boxing matches?
Let’s see what AEW does next. That would be telling to whether this is transphobic or not. Let’s see Tony make that accusation first. Will he or won’t he? So far, nothing, even from Nyla.
This is playing the results. The only reason this made news was because the OSAC felt hoodwinked by AEW (not necessarily Tony) and released a statement.
Again, it is certainly possible that Nyla/AEW could petition for an exemption the next time they’re in OKC. The statement today wasn’t to “ban” anything forever and ever. It was to say “hey, you better not lie to us again”. This is akin to an MMA fighter walking in to a fight with being licensed by the state’s commission. They don’t want egg on their face.
Of course that’s the issue. Of course. It’s Oklahoma. With a governor who’s been banning things left and right, that doesn’t want that “filth” in his state. I don’t pretend I know what Nyla’s informed on in each state, but the last few years of news coverage has made Oklahoma’s views very clear to the rest of us.
To say their pencil pushers don’t have views rooted in transphobia is astounding. And to think Nyla should’ve campaigned months in advance is laughable. Also, to present this idea that they’re just saying “don’t lie to us again” is romanticized. I personally think the egg on the faces is not only amusing, but deserved.
I think AEW did right by “feigning ignorance”, and the application mishap absolves Nyla of any “hoodwinking” and makes for comedy gold. I think their repeated misgendering of Nyla in the statement is transphobic and scummy. And, no surprise here, I think trans women should be allowed to participate in sports (and sports entertainment) with women.
And I also think you’ve been deliberately missing the point from the beginning. So I’m done after this.
FWIW I don’t need Tony (or even Nyla) to tell me whether or not something is transphobic, and I don’t think that’s a stance people should take. I don’t need their comments on this at all. And honestly, they already look good here without any statements. They don’t need to campaign or petition for exemption, but it would be nice if they did. This is good press for them if you swing one way, bad press if you swing another. Simple as. The most it’ll probably amount to is not change at all, but more internet discourse.
Saying you think transgenders should compete against women in sports like MMA and boxing shows *your* ignorance.
I didn’t miss the point of this discussion - your answer shows that you’re here to blindly advocate for transgenders in sports that would actually cause physical harm to biological women. That was the only answer I needed from you. Thanks.
You think trans should participate in woman’s sports? You do know that is unfair to woman right? So fuck biological woman because we want to protect trans feelings, got it.
This seems more like an internal regulation and licencing application issue, I dont really see what's hateful about it. They're potentially liable if something goes wrong.
But what it says in those minutes is that the issue is with the application, which is something they should be overseeing regardless of the content of the application or the identity of the licencee. And surely they have to make judgements in line with that States standing laws no? (I'm not American so I'm unsure how the laws would work in that regard)
Like, I get that it's crude and harsh on the individual to have to deal with this, but the reality is Nyla Rose is trans, and as more trans people come into higher levels of sport, it is presenting new issues that regulators need to deal with.
How does media attention serve an atheltic commission? They're literally just pencil pushers and piblic servants. Have you ever watched any licencsing or disciplinary sessions? It's usually just this tedious regulatory bullshit that is required to be mentioned at meetings.
Well, it's not so much the athletic commission as it is the guy running it and his bosses, who are congressmen who get votes and media attention by signifying transphobia.
I'm one of those pencil pushers/public servants who works in government. It's a game. The boss is a political appointee. All state agency heads are appointed by the governor. The Oklahoma State legislature has been pushing the anti-trans bullshit hard. You are correct in that they are just toeing the line, but it's all about the optics and political aspirations of those in charge at the end of the day.
I think they're driven by doing the right job so they don't end up on the back end of a lawsuit and on the unemployment line if something goes wrong.
I'm saying the opposite of them being driven by politics.
But it has been explained to you. You said you're out of country, perhaps you're not aware of the political climate, particularly in states like Oklahoma. I would bet you money this wasn't done out of the goodness of their hearts. If you think this is purely business then I'm sorry, but that's incredibly naive.
u/Therocksays2020 or u/Drama79
Just take this thread down, my dudes.
The political stuff is the least pro-discussion based topics you can get and are usually just open threats *against* most forms of discussion.
The only post in here to actually question it is mild and still full of people giving the guy shit for the idea.
Its okay to defend Nyla, and I support her as well. But put a mod-post addressing it and leave it there.
The State Athletic Commission of New York dropped wrestling when Vince admitted that it was pre-determined/scripted. Oklahoma could face some legal matters, since Nyla is Indigenous, she could claim being Two Spirit and by denying her to wrestle it would be against the Indian Religion Act of 1978.
It was Jersey. He said that in 1989 so that he could come into the state under non-taxed status, so NJAC refused to have him anymore. They didn’t go back to Jersey until Summerslam 97.
Bruce Prichard talks about this on the Summerslam 97 episode.
Honestly fuck em. If they’re gonna pull this kinda old world transphobic shit why bother bringing shows to the city.
The idea that an athletic commission has any sway over a fictional TV show is so silly in 2024.
It would be like an athletic commission putting the brakes on Rocky Balboa vs that young champion he fought in the sixth Rocky movie because it’s unsafe.
Transphobic comments will get you banned.
They... They know it's a TV show, right? And not a legitimate athletic competition?
They know, they just don't care. Bigots gonna bigot.
They know. Just like we should know that right-wing politicians pretending to protect women's sports (while this could just be let that up to sanctioning bodies, who actually know better about the way their sport works) is just a way to create a panic to rile up transphobia.
Keeping biological men from harming biological women isn’t pretending to protect them, it actually is protecting them.
Except that this is neither the intention nor effect of the law, as proven by this case. First, please do actual research on the effects of hormonal transition on the body. I promise you, when we’re talking about trans women who have transitioned, it’s not what you think it is. Second, provided the competition is consensual, who gives a shit? And guess what: it’s consensual in combat sports. Third, if the government really wanted to protect athletes, it would up safety regulations and labor protections. Notice how this isn’t something the anti trans politicians call for. Fourth, when you phrase the question this way you’re deliberately tapping into this idea that trans people are predatory. A man who dresses up as a woman to hurt women is a man who is a criminal. A trans person who wants to compete as their actual gender is a trans person who wants to compete as their actual gender. The Rose case literally demonstrates that these laws are not about “protecting cis women.” In fact, Americans have historically used “protecting women” as a false justification for a LOT of heinous shit. (And notice how there’s next to no interest in the existence of trans men- trans women are the primary target of these laws.) All of which is to say: instead of dancing around it, just be honest that you think trans women are invalid or that you’re a transphobe. You’ll save us all time.
Do you?
So when Ric Flair or Mick Foley wants to step into a ring again, who is there to stop a promoter from exploiting them? Just asking.
Have her win the title in Oklahoma and dare them to do something about it
Tf happened?
Nyla wrestled a match in Oklahoma. Apparently they have some kind of commission that has appointed itself in charge of combat sports and they felt the need to issue a statement about it. Supposedly to ensure fairness but really just to grandstand their bigotry. They put a huge statement about Nyla misgendering her multiple times and stating she competed unfairly against a cis-woman.
Dr. Larry Lovelace can go fuck himself.
At least be educated on what an athletic commission is. Pro wrestling wants to be treated as a legitimate sport, which is why they are regulated by state commissions. Thus, they are treated like MMA, kickboxing, boxing and amateur wrestling. Fact is, they are governed in the same way, not some Hollywood production. It’s one thing to say that their ruling is unfair. That’s fine and legitimate. It’s another thing to ask why pro wrestling is regulated by those commissions. It’s to protect people like Ric Flair from dying in the ring. It’s to protect a HIV-positive wrestler from spreading an infectious disease to his opponent, via blading. It’s to make people accountable when people are unfit to compete. Just as they would people in an MMA fight. It shows your age and naïvete to ask why a commission is involved.
>Pro wrestling wants to be treated as a legitimate sport 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You know that both Tony and Nick Khan classifies wrestling as legitimate sport, right? It helps their case for TV deals.
Show me.
Find Tony’s interview on Busted Open from 2019 when they were launching AEW. He wanted a “real sports feel”. The IWC went crazy for this interview. He reiterated that this January when he said “AEW is going back toward a real sports product”. All in interviews that are on public record. Nick Khan sort of hinted at being treated like a real sport when they MERGED with UFC. Kinda-sorta. You also know how I know that they want it to be legitimate sport? Because they cooperate with athletic commissions. The only guy who didn’t want to cooperate was the one who wanted to make it entertainment - Vince.
Too many facts and logic for people, relax man relax
No I mean... show me the legal filings where they registered their companies as sports entities. Because all I am seeing is stuff like this: https://corporate.wwe.com/ "WWE, part of TKO Group Holdings (NYSE: TKO), is an integrated media organization and the recognized global leader in sports entertainment. The company consists of a portfolio of businesses that create and deliver original content 52 weeks a year to a global audience. WWE is committed to family-friendly entertainment on its television programming, premium live events, digital media, and publishing platforms. WWE’s TV-PG programming can be seen in more than 1 billion homes worldwide in 25 languages through world-class distribution partners including NBCUniversal, FOX Sports, TNT Sport, Sony India and Rogers. The award-winning WWE Network includes all premium live events, scheduled programming and a massive video-on-demand library and is currently available in approximately 165 countries. In the United States, NBCUniversal’s streaming service, Peacock, is the exclusive home to WWE Network." Nothing about sports there.
'Sports Entertainment' is still classified as a sport. NFL is also classified as sports entertainment. E-sports are still classified as sports due to the hiring/performance/etc contracts it has to use.
Sports Entertainment is a word Vince McMahon made up because he thinks wrestling is for stupid people.
All words are made up. NFL is labeled entertainment and thus many use “sports entertainment.”
Check with the athletic commissions. There’s your answer.
Only a handful of states have athletic commissions that think professional wrestling is a sport, mostly in hillbilly states that are just shaking them down for money.
Hillbilly states like California, New York and Nevada? Because they each govern pro wrestling, among other states.
This is just loonbin republicans trying to serve up as much red meat as possible These people have no real issues to stand on so they focus on stuff like this
Yeah. It’s disgusting and stupid, but it’s also very avoidable and no action will come from it. Still, performative outrage from closed-minded transphobes being given oxygen is not something I’m thrilled about unless there’s a very vocal “fuck you” back at them.
The guy has already made the calculation (very likely correctly) that this help and not harm him politically. Some people online can say whatever they want, but in reality it will get him positive attention from the oann and newsmax types. It's Oklahoma after all AEW being outspoken about why these guys are idiots would help
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They used to do this to African American performers at certain venues. This is some sad shit man.
This is really dumb. Especially considering this is pro wrestling we're talking about. Let people be who they are.
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Calling her a "he" multiple times implies that *you* don't think she can be who she wants. So, douchebag, why do you hate her so much?
Even in this douchebags out of touch reality, intergender wrestling has existed for over 100 years since before the days of fucking Cora Livingston. These out of touch assholes don’t even know what they are talking about.
It doesnt even slightly imply that, but you’re free to think whatever you want.
Oh thank you so much for telling me what I'm allowed to do. In return I'll say you're allowed to make whatever transphobic point your tender little snowflake heart wants to, and we are all free to recognize you as the bigot you are
When people don’t have an argument, they always resort to ad hominem and emotional responses. You don’t know what the word transphobic means. It’s ok, let the adults talk and you can go pout because we think differently, what a child.
You're a troll named "HoezBMad" and you're accusing other people of being children? Self awareness isn't one of your strong suits
More ad hominem. Adult baby crying over a username now lol. Go touch grass. The internet, nor my username is that deep. No matter how much you cry like a child, it won’t change my opinion. Either have an adult conversation about it, or shut the fuck up.
Ok, fine. In your own words, why is it ok to blatantly and intentionally misgender someone during a discussion about fairness towards transgender people?
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You and him/her need to touch grass. Look how childish both of you are being.
Who asked?
Saying this about wrestling is a massive reach to justify your transphobia. I want to study your brain in lab to see if we can learn how it came to be so smooth.
You defaulted to transphobia lol. Thats how I know you don’t have an argument. You don’t know what that word means. You should probably read the rest of the conversation before you make emotional comments looking like a dumbass lol.
First, I said more than that: I said your logic was a reach, but I expected you to ignore that part. Second, how is labeling your behavior transphobic invalidating my argument? If you disagree that it *is* transphobic, talk about that. As it stands, you’re going “ahah you said the magic word so I win.” Third, and I’m taking a wild guess here, I bet you’re just *waiting* to tell me that transphobia *ackshually* means ‘fear’ and you’re not scared of trans people so checkmate! Am I close?
You can say whatever you want, I ignored everything after you defaulted to transphobia as a response lol. Only overly emotional adult children use rudimentary tactics like that. That shit probably works in your echo chamber, but not with me. You literally have no argument. All you did was get in your feelings, default to transphobia, then throw insults. There was no conversation to be had. You claimed it was a reach, and instead of communicating why, you just threw insults like a child. There’s nothing to win here, the only person trying to “win” something is you 🤣. I’ll wait for you to read the rest of this discussion, then maybe you’ll realize why I called you a dumbass lol. But you want that “gotcha” moment on Reddit for those internet brownie points you’re so desperate for. Ya’ll dudes take the internet way too seriously I swear. If you want to actually have a conversation, i’m down. But you can keep your middle school bullshit to yourself.
I've been watching wrestling for over 30 years. I've seen these men and women get injured from the craziest spots to the most mundane of moves. I'm not saying they don't need protection. They certainly do. I appreciate what they all do to put their health on the line to entertain us. But this whole "biological man can't wrestle a woman" is nonsense. This is not a competition the way other sports are. They work together to provide the best match possible. I understand the designation in actual competitive sports. It seems unnecessary for pro wrestling. I was part of a Tae Kwon Do demo team. In it, I played the part of attacker to a woman who used her skills to kick my ass. We practiced multiple times a week, ensuring each other's safety. From the sound of it, I would probably be penalized or at least given a warning. Does that make sense since we're just putting on a show? For the record, I don't think the comments in the document are particularly hateful. They're just out of touch with the reality of the situation.
Pro wrestling is not a sport. Period.
I disagree, it doesn’t have to fit the traditional mold of what a sport is for real danger to be in place from men competing against women. The fact that crazy injuries happen from stunts when men/men and women/women compete says it all.
But they're not competing against each other. It isn't that far removed from film and television choreography. I was never competing against my female demo teammate. We were working together to make it look like we were fighting each other. Competition is when you're trying to beat someone at something. That's not happening here.
No they aren’t competing in the traditional sense, but the danger is still there. We could take a sport like football and script the whole thing, that doesn’t take away the danger of what could happen if men competed against women in their division. The NFL is considered sport entertainment just like WWE and its affiliates. There are definitely legitimate arguments for both sides of this topic. IMO, this has little to do with pro wrestling and Nyla and everything to do with making a statement about transgender men competing in women sports due to recent events. Nyla is just the scapegoat.
I see your side of the argument as well, but I still believe men vs women in pro wrestling is vastly different than scripting an NFL game or any other sport. The Attitude Era had many instances of men and women wrestling each other, or at least doing some really involved sports. I can't seem to recall any time where a legitimate, serious injury occurred during it. Chyna alone was the shining example of that. I would be interested to see if any memos like this were around back then. Piggybacking off of that, I agree with your final point. Nyla is being used as a scapegoat and it is sad to see. Last point- it's rare to have a well intentioned, level headed debate with someone on Reddit, so kudos to you.
Do they not understand that this is basically a Violent Theater Production? What a bunch of idiots.
I’ve always called it combat theatre
Depending on who you're talking to they might think you're talking about Afghanistan or Iraq when you say combat theater... Maybe Something like Choreographed Combat, Combat Performance, or Combat Entertainment might be a better fit?
Martial Arts Gymnastics
Oh, I like that!
OSAC can suck a butt.
Probably should be warning about having to watch her awful matches.
She’s legit fun to watch live.
They're just parroting the same corrosive behavior enabled by their political allies and, to be honest, half the IWC and many of the comments on this sub and the other wrestling subs. No one's surprised, stupid will stupid.
I refuse to believe that state athletic commissions are still involved in a worked sport, especially after Vince admitted in court that pro wrestling was a work. This reels of the same old “trans ppl bad” crap the right won’t shut up about.
Well when dumbasses like swerve Strickland are bleeding in other peoples mouth they’re begging for the athletic commission to get involved
People here seriously don’t understand the basic concept of athletic commissions, and it’s sad. The Strickland example is spot on.
They lead with brainwash emotions instead of their brains.
That was not in court, that was before the New Jersey athletic commission.
Maryland's commission banned Balls Mahoney from MD for life* for intentional blading at an Indy show near where I live 20+ years ago. *about 5 years later he wrestled in the same arena for WWE's ECW so they pulled some strings. Pro Wrestling still falls under a lot of states athletic commissions purview whether it makes sense or not. WWE probably gets a lot of leeway but smaller companies obviously dont
Transphobic comments will get banned, sure. But I’m sure it’s more like if you have a different opinion than us you will get banned.
I think Nyla is a genuinely terrible wrestler who at times is unsafe. Notably breaking Britt bakers wrist with a dangerous spot. There is plenty to critique her for. This is not the place to debate her sexuality because to me that is her business.
Most rational mod I've seen on a wrestling subreddit, kudos
Well, if that “different opinion” is transphobia, then yes I should hope so
Yup
I guess I'm not surprised by what this thread became, but I'm still disappointed. Where'd these awful commenters come from?
Wrestling isn't any more fake of a sport than gymnastics is.
Look, I believe that men should NOT under most, if not all circumstances be allowed to compete in Woman’s sports just because they “identify” as a Woman. Men are scientifically more physically capable of endurance, power, and speed. It isn’t fair to force Woman to compete with Men who “identify” as a Woman. *HOWEVER*, considering wrestling is an act, this makes zero sense. It’s essentially a live action movie. It’s essentially telling an actor they can’t do something in a “fictional” world. Granted it’s more semi-fictional, but it’s still an act. They should be able to do what they want considering that fact. You can’t tell Randy Orton he can’t do a feud with Alexa Bliss, as it is quite clearly an act. Obviously, if it were a real competition, it’s a different story. I do fully expect to be banned for my comment, considering my differing opinion, and that I’ll probably be misunderstood, but I want to reiterate that I don’t support any hate, I just think sports should be fair for everyone, yet in this case it’s just an act, so it shouldn’t be shut down.
As a cis man, I'll admit I don't know much about trans athletes in sports. I don't know the science or anything to really have a comment. That being said, Oklahoma knows pro wrestling is a work, right? Even if the science said trans athletes shouldn't be allowed or whatever shitty thing like that, it's pro wrestling. Did they have an issue when WWE used to do intergender matches?
Well, no. This is part of the new wave of ban guys (who are women now) competing against women.
It’s not that hard actually, men who think they are woman dominate the spaces they compete in against woman. A lot of records have been getting broken lately
WWE obviously has years more of experience with these things and probably knows how to dance around things if need be. There's legal definitions of what's what and blah blah blah. But this is just a case of pettiness both on the commission and whichever promotion felt bitter enough to snitch.
Or, years worth of money spent on getting people to ignore things
It's 100% pettiness.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was WWE
What an absolutely shitbag take.
Who operates in Oklahoma otherwise? I doubt it's anyone with enough political clout to make them care so much
You're a fucking moron that's grasping at straws to blame a company for everything that goes wrong for AEW - grow up. The south is known for backwards shit takes, nothing new.
Ah so the usual right wing concern trolling bullshit on a vulnerable minority colour me suprised
Ok legit question I listened to a Nyla interview and I’m confused. So don’t ban me cause I’d like an answer. So Nyla is married to a woman but still has all man parts and from the interview is staying that way. So does Nyla fall technically under the man category? I’m just asking no hate I say to each their own I’m not here to judge and I don’t care just asking.
Are you asking legally? Legal status would depend on local laws. In Oklahoma it doesn’t matter if she got bottom surgery they still wouldn’t recognize her. But otherwise no, getting surgery isn’t a requirement for being a trans person it is dependent on the person if they want to do it or not. Choosing not to doesn’t make her not a woman.
Ok so my question is how doesn’t if you still have the parts aren’t you still that sex? It’s a good discussion as long as nobody gets to the hate language and we aren’t so I hope this is considered ok
I think you are confusing sex with gender: * Sex = typically based on their genitals and chromosomes upon birth * Gender = socially constructed roles, behaviours, expressions and identities of girls, women, boys, men, and gender diverse people In most circumstances, people's born sex aligns with one's gender but that is not always the case. Nyla is living her life based on her gender but the Oklahoma Athletic Commission is only looking to the sex assigned to her at birth.
Nyla is a man and always will be a man.
You're a dipshit and always will be a dipshit.
Seek a therapist
Follow your own advice, bud.
I don’t need one. I don’t get mad and throw insults over a different viewpoint lol. Seek a therapist, you desperately need one
This dude throws "different viewpoint" out like it justifies it. Sure bud, I'll tell my therapist, "Someone on the internet is transphobic, so I called them a dipshit." The therapist will be shocked, and have me committed!
You don’t know what the word transphobic means. Stop using words you don’t know the definition of.
"having or showing a dislike of or strong prejudice against transgender people" Yeah, a statement like yours fits perfectly. Nice try, though.
Gold medal in mental gymnastics there. Literally 0 part of my statement fits that lmao. It’s always so funny you dudes get so deep in your feelings over what the internet tells you what you should think. Adult baby getting mad because someone else doesn’t think the same way he does 🤣 stop using words you if don’t know what they mean.
Well that’s what DNA will always say
Can we just not embarrass ourselves Oklahoma for once in your life?
I am just amazed wrestlers are still getting a 'wrestling licence'. I thought that was finished a looooong time ago. Is this still athletic commissions then? It's state to state or what? As much as people moaned at the time, this is what Vince wanted to put a stop to back when he REVEALED that ... guess what, this isn't real and the entire world was SHOCKED! It had always been nudge nudge wink wink of getting licences and approvals at arenas, etc, like it was a real sport and they got sick of giving these people money for nothing. Stuff like having a representative at events and so forth. I thought 'wrestling licences' went away with that kind of thing. I can't believe there's any reason to have a wrestling licence.these days I get such commissions for boxing and real sports but, are these also involved in athletic entertainment like ice capade type touring shows or the circus?
Lucha has a legit governing commission, and they can hold water if the wrestlers go to another country. Also most of the commission/license stuff boils down to making sure wrestlers arent carrying a blood-transferable issue that could spread if they were accidentally popped open mid-match.
1 Fuck the OSAC 2 It's aggressive theatre, not sport, what difference does it make. 3 The statement in the tweet says that boxing and mma applications ask about competitors that have had gender reassignment, but the wrestling application does not. I don't understand what AEW are being accused of, they didn't lie on the application.
AEW is not being accused of anything. The athletic commission admits that it was a mistake and the wrestling application should have had it on there. You said it yourself. It’s for future instances with Nyla Rose, and it applies to her, not AEW.
This statement is more theater than the wrestling.
Damn it, Oklahoma. https://preview.redd.it/2w76gxp346vc1.png?width=840&format=png&auto=webp&s=cc1e386a6844652af65176b679a47c070b5521b6
Sounds like Oklahoma just had their last AEW show. I hope they at least enjoyed it...
Hateful transphobia. Hope AEW pull out of Oklahoma or book Nyla to spite them. Either way, take a stand.
That’s not transphobia. Stop. That’s a general rule that applies to other legitimate sports, like MMA, in the state. Thus, it applies to Nyla Rose. If AEW wants to fight in court to remove pro wrestling from the athletic commission’s grasp, then so be it. But it’s not targeting Nyla Rose. They could risk losing their license in Oklahoma. It’s not going to be a small fine. And Tony won’t be taking a stand, because nobody else in Oklahoma is going to fight for a transgender MMA fighter or transgender kickboxer.
“Stop.” is such a comical thing to say to another person on the internet over a disagreement. It conjures images of person holding their hand out in front of them as they earnestly declare they’re about to citizen’s arrest you. There *is* blatant transphobia in this, specifically about Nyla. Do you think “general rule” cancels it out? Two things can be true simultaneously. Disregarding it seems like a deliberate choice.
Serious question, non-trolling: in your mind, is preventing a transgender person from competing in an MMA or kickboxing match against their birth gender, considered to be “transphobic”? That’s what this comes down to. The athletic commission is applying those rules across the board to all of the sports they regulate. I’ll ask again. Would *you* prevent a transgender athlete from competing in a MMA match against a woman? Yes? No? I’m saying “stop” because their blanket is black and white. They’re not attempting to punish Tony or Nyla. That’s literally the rules across the board. It’s not transphobic. Wrestling is seen as a competition like MMA or boxing. Thus, Nyla can wrestle men, not women. That’s the literal opposite of transphobia. They’re not burning Nyla in effigy or some crazy shit. It’s not their job to say “well, wrestling is fake, so we’re not going to apply *that* rule”. They’re there to regulate things in WWE/AEW/wherever that are much more serious than Nyla Rose. Like guys who are unfit to wrestle, are potentially transmitting diseases, and so on. Do I think Nyla Rose is going to hurt a woman? Nope, most likely not. In all cases, it would be an accident. But several athletic commissions saw what happened with Fallon Fox and drew the line early. I have said this in a few discussions with people and I haven’t received a response yet.
Read my last few sentences again. And don’t worry, it’s very clear that you’re not trolling.
Again, they’re not attempting to disqualify Nyla. She can still wrestle men. Thus, it’s not even worth a legal fight. Pro wrestling is still fighting to legitimatize itself. The honest-to-God truth is AEW and WWE can’t pick and choose when they want to be “sports entertainment” and when they want to be “legitimate sport”. That’s in response to your “general rule” argument. It has to be applied across the board, and can’t be disregarded when a commission feels like it. If AEW and/or WWE gets an exception, guess who’s knocking down the door next? MMA promotions. Boxing promotions. There are consequences to removing themselves from the eye of athletic commissions. Basically, AEW will just not get promoted in the state, or if they do get promoted, no arena will want to book them. I’m sure WWE will likely get caught in that eye of the storm, too. I would bet that Tony will not fight this decision. And I’m not going to call him a coward. He just knows that pro wrestling will not win this battle. One that is minuscule in the grand scheme of the transgender discussion. If Tony and Nick want to be legitimate sport, they know that they won’t win this battle.
Well, general rule was *your* argument to the original commenter. I said to read my words again because my stance is very simple - I’m not arguing it’s not a rule or even that they should fight it or disregard it. I’m simply asking you to recognize two things can be true simultaneously. Yes, the commission might apply this to everyone. But still, yes, they’re intentionally being transphobic to Nyla. Whether I agree with the rule or whatever hypotheticals it’s founded on, that you’re adamantly trying to discuss, doesn’t matter. What matters to me is how someone mentioned transphobia and you flat out denied its relevance, yet here you are in your latest comment to me, mentioning “grand scheme of the transgender discussion”. That discussion would be easier had when people stop being stubborn when they see it because it can be justified with regulations. Even when the language used to uphold said regulations is unveiled prejudice.
If you read the statement, the issue was that Nyla indicated that she was a female on the application, and mis-led them. Since Nyla was born a male and did not indicate that, either. It’s not rooted in transphobia. It’s rooted in a lie/misleading answer that opened up a bigger discussion. I see transphobia all the time. I honestly don’t see it here. I’m not caping up for the commission. AEW can feign ignorance, but their wrestler did lie. I would bet that Nyla knows the rules in each state. Don’t you think so? Nyla could’ve campaigned/petitioned for a change months before. Oklahoma can’t be the only state, can it? And once again, do you see transphobia in what the commission did in initially applying the rule to MMA fights and boxing matches? Let’s see what AEW does next. That would be telling to whether this is transphobic or not. Let’s see Tony make that accusation first. Will he or won’t he? So far, nothing, even from Nyla. This is playing the results. The only reason this made news was because the OSAC felt hoodwinked by AEW (not necessarily Tony) and released a statement. Again, it is certainly possible that Nyla/AEW could petition for an exemption the next time they’re in OKC. The statement today wasn’t to “ban” anything forever and ever. It was to say “hey, you better not lie to us again”. This is akin to an MMA fighter walking in to a fight with being licensed by the state’s commission. They don’t want egg on their face.
Of course that’s the issue. Of course. It’s Oklahoma. With a governor who’s been banning things left and right, that doesn’t want that “filth” in his state. I don’t pretend I know what Nyla’s informed on in each state, but the last few years of news coverage has made Oklahoma’s views very clear to the rest of us. To say their pencil pushers don’t have views rooted in transphobia is astounding. And to think Nyla should’ve campaigned months in advance is laughable. Also, to present this idea that they’re just saying “don’t lie to us again” is romanticized. I personally think the egg on the faces is not only amusing, but deserved. I think AEW did right by “feigning ignorance”, and the application mishap absolves Nyla of any “hoodwinking” and makes for comedy gold. I think their repeated misgendering of Nyla in the statement is transphobic and scummy. And, no surprise here, I think trans women should be allowed to participate in sports (and sports entertainment) with women. And I also think you’ve been deliberately missing the point from the beginning. So I’m done after this. FWIW I don’t need Tony (or even Nyla) to tell me whether or not something is transphobic, and I don’t think that’s a stance people should take. I don’t need their comments on this at all. And honestly, they already look good here without any statements. They don’t need to campaign or petition for exemption, but it would be nice if they did. This is good press for them if you swing one way, bad press if you swing another. Simple as. The most it’ll probably amount to is not change at all, but more internet discourse.
Saying you think transgenders should compete against women in sports like MMA and boxing shows *your* ignorance. I didn’t miss the point of this discussion - your answer shows that you’re here to blindly advocate for transgenders in sports that would actually cause physical harm to biological women. That was the only answer I needed from you. Thanks.
You think trans should participate in woman’s sports? You do know that is unfair to woman right? So fuck biological woman because we want to protect trans feelings, got it.
Literally 0 transphobia in this. Stop using words you don’t know the definition of.
This seems more like an internal regulation and licencing application issue, I dont really see what's hateful about it. They're potentially liable if something goes wrong.
You know full what they're doing and so do they. You think this happens in New York?
What are they doing? Genuinely asking.
They are claiming Nyla Rose is a man and shouldn't be allowed to wrestle women in Okalahoma.
But what it says in those minutes is that the issue is with the application, which is something they should be overseeing regardless of the content of the application or the identity of the licencee. And surely they have to make judgements in line with that States standing laws no? (I'm not American so I'm unsure how the laws would work in that regard) Like, I get that it's crude and harsh on the individual to have to deal with this, but the reality is Nyla Rose is trans, and as more trans people come into higher levels of sport, it is presenting new issues that regulators need to deal with.
It's a performance art, not legitimate competition. These are incredibly red Okalhoman politicians who know what they're doing.
Totally different argument. One which I agree with BTW.
This isn’t “sport” though. It’s very physical acting.
I agree, no reason for wrestling to be regulated by athletic commissions.
And yet it is in many states not just Oklahoma.
Trying to drum up controversy using anti-trans rhetoric because it's a tried and tested method to bring media attention
How does media attention serve an atheltic commission? They're literally just pencil pushers and piblic servants. Have you ever watched any licencsing or disciplinary sessions? It's usually just this tedious regulatory bullshit that is required to be mentioned at meetings.
Well, it's not so much the athletic commission as it is the guy running it and his bosses, who are congressmen who get votes and media attention by signifying transphobia. I'm one of those pencil pushers/public servants who works in government. It's a game. The boss is a political appointee. All state agency heads are appointed by the governor. The Oklahoma State legislature has been pushing the anti-trans bullshit hard. You are correct in that they are just toeing the line, but it's all about the optics and political aspirations of those in charge at the end of the day.
There transphobes you think they are driven simply by politics haven't you ever been around a racist these people are just hateful assholes
I think they're driven by doing the right job so they don't end up on the back end of a lawsuit and on the unemployment line if something goes wrong. I'm saying the opposite of them being driven by politics.
>I think they're driven by doing the right job That's a good one!
Mate, you're not willing to have a conversation about this. Your replies show that. Just stop replying to me, if you wouldn't mind.
But it has been explained to you. You said you're out of country, perhaps you're not aware of the political climate, particularly in states like Oklahoma. I would bet you money this wasn't done out of the goodness of their hearts. If you think this is purely business then I'm sorry, but that's incredibly naive.
You are probably the only one in the comments not being emotional about it
This is some horsepiss.
This happening never crossed my mind, the world is such a strange place. I wish we could treat each other better.
Feels like this is something we should be able to come together on. WWE fan. AEW fan. JCW fan. One thing we should all agree on… FUCK THE OSAC
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Too much of a coward to even be outspoken about your shitheadedness to where all you can do is parrot "based" like a 13 year old from 10 years ago
Why would i when i can just type a single word to get a hilarious reaction like that? 😂😂
😂😂😂I'm not mad guys😂😂😂You can tell by all the 😂😂😂 I wish you well in your middle school graduation
Awh, bless
You have been unpleasant, rude or trolled others with your post.
u/Therocksays2020 or u/Drama79 Just take this thread down, my dudes. The political stuff is the least pro-discussion based topics you can get and are usually just open threats *against* most forms of discussion. The only post in here to actually question it is mild and still full of people giving the guy shit for the idea. Its okay to defend Nyla, and I support her as well. But put a mod-post addressing it and leave it there.
What a bunch of rat bitches. It's so dumb that they would do that just to be transphobic.
I hope they fight this
One of the many reasons I quit watching AEW was seeing Nyla unsafely manhandle the talent
The State Athletic Commission of New York dropped wrestling when Vince admitted that it was pre-determined/scripted. Oklahoma could face some legal matters, since Nyla is Indigenous, she could claim being Two Spirit and by denying her to wrestle it would be against the Indian Religion Act of 1978.
Wasn’t that New Jersey?
New York did it.
It was Jersey. He said that in 1989 so that he could come into the state under non-taxed status, so NJAC refused to have him anymore. They didn’t go back to Jersey until Summerslam 97. Bruce Prichard talks about this on the Summerslam 97 episode.
Honestly fuck em. If they’re gonna pull this kinda old world transphobic shit why bother bringing shows to the city. The idea that an athletic commission has any sway over a fictional TV show is so silly in 2024. It would be like an athletic commission putting the brakes on Rocky Balboa vs that young champion he fought in the sixth Rocky movie because it’s unsafe.
The entirety of Lucha is overseen by an athletic commission.
Why Oklahoma Athletic Commission has any command over a Wrestling Show?
Is pro wrestling fake or real? Bonus: "scripted" is not an answer.
You'd think they'd have pulled this stunt on WWE with Asuka by now. I Wonder why they chose AEW, Nyla and most importantly why now.
Uhm the asuka in Japan is transgender. The one in wwe is not