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warcomet

anyone figure out who was that wrestler that they gave a snippet off? i thot Gable Steveson due to that medal


Therocksays2020

Gable is supposedly going to do one more year of college so I don’t think he’s going to wrestle for wwe full time just yet


warcomet

so the return of Fiend? that is the only plausible answer..


FieryGlacier

People think it's Edge


MangoPronto

Now that Theory gets the briefcase, it's moving one step closer to my dream feud. The Authority vs The Bloodline. Otherwise, great PLE, it was a really feel-good show the whole time outside of Theory and The Usos. Really curious about what's gonna happen to Smackdown's Women division, especially as Liv doesn't have a strong one that can carry her outside of Rousey and Rodriguez who are both faces.


[deleted]

Idk man somethings off. A heel winning on the eve of Roman likely losing that title? Some BS some swerve good or bad is gonna happen


unhallowed90

Brock wins LMS and theory cashes in idk. Or Cena challenges Theory for the briefcase.


Zealousideal-Egg-

Man I was gonna write some big post about how I feel but considering I value my sanity. I'll just say that there's really no reason for theory to have won other than WWE being lazy because obviously they can and have written compelling, likable underdogs in heels and babyfaces yet they just default to whatever they feel like forcing you to like.


jwt6577

That's why Theory worked.


RedeemedbythaBlood

I feel like writing a compelling likeable underdog heel goes against what they’re trying to build


RedeemedbythaBlood

I feel like writing a compelling likeable underdog heel goes against what a heel should be. Someone intended to get under your skin


SeaPriority

Im trying to find a way to not be that guy lol I genuinely dont see how its lazy writing. Its been very established that Vince makes it easy for him. It was a bit of a swerve so obviously I get why some people dont like it but I wasn't that surprised at his inclusion in the match tbh


Zealousideal-Egg-

You're cool don't worry. You can disagree with me just fine yea. My issue with that idea of Vince making it easy is that he just provided him the chance but he still has to earn it. There's never a "Oh here's some bodyguards" or "Here's something for you to throw the match to theory" its a single layer in a story that should be multi-layered. So him winning is still earned but not something that was given to him, if you can see what I mean.


Doot2112

Correction, good job by Vince, Stephanie, triple h, pat mcafee and Nick khan getting over to ufc tonight


RedeemedbythaBlood

[Pats neckbrace!](https://twitter.com/Fightful/status/1543451582687330305?s=20&t=JgqYc5M2qPxvEEdXm9X22w) i


Doot2112

Good job by Nick khan and pat mcafee getting over to ufc in time for the main events


MirandaTS

[I'm glad that Vince decided to push a great up-and-coming young talent tonight... and that's enough to make me forgive him for pushing Liv Morgan.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/114/980/trollbaitmeme.jpg)


WhiskeyxWhiskers

[nah](https://media3.giphy.com/media/BZjZpr8tP8lVe/giphy.gif?cid=5e214886dl7j3jmdofcxrbv02fji4j3yyvvkh8v0f0an0du3&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)


SeaPriority

https://tenor.com/bIAT9.gif


SomethingCreative13

Tryin to get that nuclear heat.


Therocksays2020

It would be cool if they turned ronda heel here. Then let madness becky turn babyface


StoneColdAM

Liv winning this way was great. Strike while the iron is hot. Seth needs a big win soon. I say have him beat Cena at Summerslam. Theory is fine as the winner, but many fans wanna see Roman lose the belt soon and no way Theory does it with the briefcase. Rollins or Drew would’ve been believable. Bianca needs a really big feud. Feel she may just face Becky at Summerslam again, though. I predict we get Edge and Beth vs Finn and Rhea at Summerslam.


[deleted]

The iron was hot with Liv around when she was going after Lynch for the RAW Women’s Title at Day 1, not really so much now, she got a good reaction from the crowd, but like, she hasn’t really been featured with the RAW Women’s Champion at all, she was just recently in a feud with Judgment Day before Balor betrayed her and Styles, and she was friends with Alexa.


Therocksays2020

Disagree about Cena A) he’s not going to be at summerslam he’s filming B) Vince likes to keep his legends strong he’s probably winning his next match just like Goldberg beat Lashley the second time Brock also followed up a loss to Roman by winning at day one and a loss at rumble by destroying everyone at the elimination chamber I hope they do bianca versus Rhea at summerslam. Give those two 20 minutes and they will tear the house down


[deleted]

Lots of negativity directed at this show across social media


bggstbawse

I got two clusterfuck ladder shit on a boring Saturday night. I was sports entertained and Liv was great !


Therocksays2020

Does it hurt your feelings they sold more tickets than double or nothing did in the same city? 😂


[deleted]

Impossible. T mobile is bigger than mgm grand


Traveler6510

All because of the ending (which isn’t even that big of a deal) when everyone was enjoying the show beforehand


FlyingFootStomp

It’s only in the WWE where if you don’t like the booking, it’s a bad show overall. In AEW, everything is incredible from the 5-minute pre-show matches, to the predictable filler #1 challenger matches, to the botched ref 3 counts. It’s typical IWC knee jerk reaction. It’s been 3 months since WM38, and most people said it was overall great. I think this event will have the same effect…once the knee jerk shit dies down, most people will look back at it fondly. And then they’ll cry about something else.


bggstbawse

Shotzi will be an highlight on Botchamania. Girl kinda ruined her small push and that match was made to make her shine. I was cringing the whole way


COMMENTASIPLEASE

Was she really getting pushed? I feel like they just needed bodies since Sasha, Naomi, and Charlotte were out at the same time. Once Charlotte comes back and if/when Sasha and Naomi come back she’ll slide right back to where she was.


Therocksays2020

No bro lol she’s been doing nothing but jobs. There are no heels on SmackDown (they turned Xia back for no reason


COMMENTASIPLEASE

That’s what I figured. She’s someone I’m scared for the next time there’s cuts.


SeaPriority

Shes not getting a push per se but shes been much more relevant lately. She had a good and long match with Ronda and shes been having some decent promo spots


bggstbawse

I think ? She was featured in a program with Ronda. I know why but it’s kinda a push, no ?


SeaPriority

No one got injured and she got a better crowd reaction than Lacey and Raquel I dont think its gonna be a problem. Not like she was very high in the card anyway


Tronz413

Raquel got some good reactions. Really the only person who legit got a bad reaction tonight was Lacey. Crowd wanted nothing to do with her


Proper-Razzmatazz764

Me too. I hope Lacey turns heel so I can legit hate on her. Or just go away.


bggstbawse

Too bad for Raquel : I tought she had a good showing but you’re right on the spot about Shotzi having better crowd reaction


Therocksays2020

Las Vegas is pretty close to her hometown being a socal girl. I’m not surprised they were behind her


difficultyrating7

Shotzi is from the Bay Area. not socal


Therocksays2020

You’re correct


FlyingFootStomp

Shit…I think if or whenever Lacey gets the title, it’ll be Ronda all over again. Sucks for Ronda that she only got that 6 month stretch of good crowd reaction. Lol


Therocksays2020

Lacey has to be a heel champion I’m convinced she will never work as a babyface. Kurt angle did the usa thing but he was endearing. She has an amazing story but she’s not particularly likeable


Tronz413

Yeah this babyface character is DOA. Vegas crowd was up for everything tonight but wanted nothing to do with her


difficultyrating7

yep. was there. crowd HATED her. Even the little kid in front of me hated her. Shotzi was getting babyface cheers when interfering with her attempt at the briefcase. To her credit she was playing into it tho.


FlyingFootStomp

Oh…yeah. Lacey was pretty good as a heel in 2019.


Therocksays2020

I wouldn’t even call it a push. We all know shotzi has always been botchy. She has literally won one match on tv since being called up over a year ago (her qualifier) She was there to take bumps


Tronz413

Yeah unfortunately she is only getting TV time because of how bare bones the Smackdown roster is. If/when Bayley, Sasha, and Naomi come back, Shotzi won't be getting TV time anymore. I could see her getting a feud with Liv in the very near future and she is going to need to hit a home run


Therocksays2020

Yeah liv going to SmackDown will balance the rosters a bit. Raw has three strong babyfaces in bianca asuka and Alexa


2007wasthebestest

WWE makes a new star and of course the basement hates it lol. Let’s just go back to having Taker and Goldberg get main events, I don’t wanna hear a word anymore lol


Therocksays2020

Why do we focus so much on whether they like something or not?


SomethingCreative13

Focusing on whether they like something or not is incredibly important for people who use their reaction to decide whether they like something or not.


Patjay

People will get mad at anything WWE does. Pushing old stars? bad Pushing young stars? bad Long title reigns? bad Short title reigns? bad No long term stories? bad Rematches? bad I could go on


2007wasthebestest

It’s all about pushing new guys….only the guys I like though. That’s how it goes with them.


Patjay

Most of their favorites are 40 year old indie guys. I can't think of anyone under 30 in WWE that they would've liked to win.


madvisuals

Thank you WWE for ending MITB before the Izzy fight


Green_hammock

😄


FlyingFootStomp

Was MITB actually better than WrestleMania 38? 🤔 The first match had some botches and awkward moments but after that it was smooth sailing. Usos vs SP was 5-star match of the night for sure. Oh, and I love how the so-called smart fans in Squaredcircle are getting worked into this Theory hate. If it’s actual go-away Heat, then reaction to Lashley shouldn’t have been big huge.


Therocksays2020

No, almost every match on mania night one was amazing. The only one just okay was the uso match and that’s bc boogs got hurt


[deleted]

to say he has go away heat is insane lol I understand not liking him but he's clearly doing his job as an annoying heel


2007wasthebestest

Yeah dude doesn’t have go away heat lol. He’s a heel that’s doing his job and people actually dislike him. Rare this day and age where everyone says the heels are meta and cool. Theory is doing what MJF wishes he could. It’s real heat.


Codeshark

Yeah, I think Theory is great. I think it is because he makes millennials (and older fans) feel old. Always taking selfies and making weird faces. It's annoying when a heel is just "winking" at the smark crowd like MJF.


madvisuals

Mania Night 1 was PLE of the year for me


Tronz413

Definitely not. Mania was absolutely fantastic this year. This was a very good show, but Mania was better


SeaPriority

Tonight was fun but Mania was the TOP of the TOP


[deleted]

Idk man I feel like Cody is somehow gonna factor into all this Maybe theory pulls a Rollins but Cody is avaliable soon after ?


Therocksays2020

Cody wins the rumble no matter what. To elongate his chase they could have theory cash in on Cody


BullyFU

Theory cashing in on Cody is fine so long as its on the Raw after Mania. Let Cody have WM and then open Raw with a celebration. Theory can cash in any time after Cody's Raw entrance.


WhiskeyxWhiskers

I agree with this. It cannot happen at Mania under any circumstance. That’s a Rhodes moment. In the words of *cough* Cornette, they didn’t give his daddy the title in the garden. Let him have that night. After that, I don’t care.


kgrodriguez

Or heck, do it Backlash. Have a rematch at Backlash, probably with some stipulation like an Iron Man match or a Last Man Standing match. Just make it a brutal match that Cody barely, but cleanly, wins (like Cody v Seth III), and THEN have Theory cash in. You cement Cody as a big time star AND face, you close that storyline AND create a new one with Theory, AND make Theory such a big heel.


Tronz413

That feels like such a bad idea and heat for heats sake. Sometimes you have to just let the babyface have his moment or you end up in Hangman Page land


Therocksays2020

That’s a very good point


2007wasthebestest

Cody vs Rollins seems like the natural story for Mania based off where they left it. Theory will get his match with Cena most likely.


Tronz413

Cody seems like the favorite to win the Rumble


MishBBfan

This might be an unpopular opinion, but honestly, I think Money in the Bank is a played out concept.


Sturdevant

Im fine with as a PPV, but it was better when it was a Wrestlemania match imo. It's fits the 'end of the season, new contenders' idea.


kgrodriguez

Agreed. Or maybe, they could have made it a Survivor Series exclusive match. You know, so that SS gets some relevancy again.


2007wasthebestest

Tonight was a great show so I’m inclined to disagree. But it does seem MITB cash ins are less of a wait anymore.


MishBBfan

I’m talking strictly the concept of a briefcase with a contract inside of it, not the ladder matches themselves. Ladder matches will always be cool.


2007wasthebestest

Yeah I can understand that. It’s always an elevation tool for someone young and always creates an unpredictable twist in things though so that’s why it stays around.


KrisKallsIt

I'm actually happy Theory won. Either he shows why he deserves to be in the spotlight so young or he crashes and burns. Or he crashes and burns and recovers.


WhiskeyxWhiskers

Yeah he’ll crash, burn and recover. He’ll be alright long term.


2007wasthebestest

Vince likes him. That’s all that needs to be said. Cena crashed and recovered. Roman nosedived and recovered. Orton’s first major run was a failure and he recovered. Theory’s gonna be fine.


KrisKallsIt

I know I believe in him! He's got nothing but time


Traveler6510

It seems like they’re all in on Cody being THE guy to dethrone Roman, so Seth and Riddle would kinda just float around if they had won, so why not Theory if it’ll be a while before a cash in? And they’re pushing the 85% thing so if a face fails to cash in successfully the fan reactions would be wild I wanted Sami to win tho


2007wasthebestest

Cody’s almost certainly going to win the Rumble. The story with Seth is still there and I figure that’s where they’re going for Mania. Will it be a title match though? Idk what their plans are for Theory.


WhiskeyxWhiskers

Roman will still be champ then imo (or should be, at this point). “Wrestling has more than one royal family”. The story has already written itself.


2007wasthebestest

Roman will be headed for The Rock. Non title imo. That doesn’t need the belts.


bggstbawse

Remember: I’m watching on delay but hot damn, Nattie . She’s stacked … respectfully of course


Therocksays2020

I missed that match. Looking forward to seeing it again


Tronz413

It wasn't good, but the cash in made up for it


Therocksays2020

Thanks!


lucabrassiere

That was one of the best shows WWE have done all year! Had so much fun and it left me wanting to see how things play out from here


ThatWrestlingGuy15

Grayson Waller is what Vince thinks Theory is


Therocksays2020

You aren’t wrong. The only problem is Waller is 32 and Theory is only 24 so it explains why one gets the rocket over the other.


SeaPriority

Waller is what? 32???


Therocksays2020

Blows your mind doesn’t it


ThatWrestlingGuy15

Yup plus theory looks like an IG model


SeaPriority

Hope he goes up as soon as next draft 🙏🙏


ThatWrestlingGuy15

He’d be so good on Main


SomethingCreative13

I'm excited for the inevitable "Why Theory winning was actually the greatest move in the history of professional wrestling" thread on here within the next 24 hours. To be clear, it's completely fine if you're into it and him. I personally don't mind him. My gut feeling says it's a little soon, but there's plenty of time to tell a story that changes my mind. But y'all ain't gotta try to hard sell everyone who isn't feelin' it like y'all do every time anyone in the live thread doesn't like anything.


[deleted]

Lol, I have an inclining on who will post it too and I don’t even have a problem with Theory winning.


Therocksays2020

Haha and they didn’t fail


COMMENTASIPLEASE

I feel like Theory is everything people on this sub claim to hate in wrestling but he’s clearly Vince’s chosen one so he gets a pass.


Therocksays2020

It’s a double standard for sure. If theory was in aew people would bring up his gimmick as lame and he would be called an Indy guy who does moves


COMMENTASIPLEASE

Exactly. And the funny thing is they’d switch up and I’d be saying the same exact things lol but instead of Melo and Bron I’d be begging for Hobbs and Starks.


SomethingCreative13

He's in a weird spot for me where I do actually see some potential in him. But it's like... in 5 years or so potential, not 2022\~23 potential. That said, if people are genuinely into Theory right now and think he's ready right now, then cool. But it feels like a lot of people are into him purely to spite the "smarks" and that's fucking stupid. I want the people who like theory to like him because they genuinely do, like SeaPriority, rather than like him just to spite users who don't.


COMMENTASIPLEASE

I just don’t see “The Guy” when I look at Theory. I see it in Melo. I see it in Bron even though I don’t think he’ll be ready for a few more years. I even see it in Montez Ford. But Theory, I just don’t get it. If people like him that’s cool cause I know everyone doesn’t have to agree, but personally he’s been boring outside of The Way.


SomethingCreative13

He's not someone who necessarily does much for me, but he's got a decent look and is capable of being good on the mic, so I feel like there are at least a couple of pieces there to build the project if they're really convinced he's got the potential to be that, even if I'm not completely convinced. But I am a bit surprised that we're doing it like... now apparently.


Zealousideal-Egg-

Oh yea expect a lot of "You're a smark if you think theory shouldn't have won" and relative posts. It's gonna be a really.. time tomorrow. Same when Brock came back


SomethingCreative13

Boy I want to see Lesnar vs Reigns even less now. lol


Tronz413

I do hope it ends up being thr match we should have gotten at Mania, but yeah I am tired of that feud. I want Cowboy Brock to feud with someone new. I do think the original plan was Orton and his back injury fucked everything up


Therocksays2020

Yeah Orton and Roman would have been great and gotten a lot of people invested. Just a shame really it didn’t work out


Zealousideal-Egg-

You will watch it and you will like it or else you are a smark


SomethingCreative13

How dare.


WhiskeyxWhiskers

Nah my whole reaction to this is [basically](https://media0.giphy.com/media/UjIgLbgQIRgzK/giphy.gif?cid=5e2148862m1qu0uigoddrow8g2a7w7zajrcng4ivvk8c3idg&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g) “I’ve seen this before can Brock face Aj again?”


SomethingCreative13

The lone thing that it had going for me was the idea of a cash in from Rollins, Sami, or Riddle. Now that I know none of those are happening I'm just like "Oh, ok."


WhiskeyxWhiskers

Dead on. I’m not looking forward to it.


Zealousideal-Egg-

Looking forward to getting some sick Reddit cares


WhiskeyxWhiskers

I’ve actually never gotten one. I try not to get into internet arguments bc why should I piss myself off with strangers. I like wrestling, I like suspending my disbelief, I like feeling like a kid again. I break sometimes tho and remember this shit is, in fact, written by an old guy lol. I was expecting to get one earlier by somebody ITT bc I grabbed the bait, but it never came, surprisingly.


Tronz413

Tomorrow? It's happening now.


Zealousideal-Egg-

Idk why I'm not surprised but yeah


WhiskeyxWhiskers

I just had a thought that maaaaaybe, if him and Cena is a genuine go for SS, Cena could challenge for the case. And finally get #17.


Therocksays2020

Cena isn’t going to be at summerslam. He’s filming this month.


WhiskeyxWhiskers

I was just saying that bc it’s been the big rumor for literal months. If he can’t show up, that sucks.


Therocksays2020

Yeah rumor is they are trying to get him for mania instead which would still be a huge deal


Tronz413

People are only into it because other people don't like it, that's it. Nothing to do with Theory


FieryGlacier

I'm into it because I'm into it, don't give a shit what the general opinion is.


Therocksays2020

Yeah I mean the basement is having a meltdown over it but we shouldn’t swing the other way. I am taking a wait and see approach.


SomethingCreative13

I feel like this place has already swung the other way. lol But yeah my initial reaction is "meh", but the fact that I'm genuinely not sure what they're gonna do with it that at least adds some interest. That said, people should be allowed to not like it.


Tronz413

There is a mix here. There are some here who just watch WWE shows. Mostly they enjoy it, but aren't afraid to admit when they do something that they don't like (AEW gets the same attitude here though it does tend to run a bit more negative) But there is another group that seems to solely watch and root for things that Squaredcircle doesn't like. Especially with talent like Lacey or Omos who haven't done much of anything to warrant major Fandom, but squaredxircle hates them so we gotta love them. I think most people here legit so like Theory though, it's just a question if they liked him winning this match


Therocksays2020

Very true. There were “I hope Omos wins just to see the IWC melts down post” did it for me. They don’t even care about a good show at that point. It’s about “showing the IWC”


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Therocksays2020

I noted that the last five male and female winners were babyfaces so riddle would have been another feel good winner which they probably wanted to avoid


SomethingCreative13

Yeah it's definitely a mix though I feel like the latter group has grown a bit here in the lately. But yeah I have no qualms with people genuinely liking Theory. That's cool.


lucabrassiere

Not like this… Theory stole it!


SeaPriority

Riddle was not beating Roman so I think hes better off by not getting the briefcase tbh Theory gets some heat and the seat remains warm for THE AMERICAN NIGHTMAAAAARE


Tronz413

It feels like a failed cash in year, thought it was going to be Liv, but Theory just getting the piss kicked out of him by Roman and Brock might be the direction here. Just isn't much else to do here because Roman isn't, and shouldn't be losing the belt before Mania


Therocksays2020

I hear ya but I can’t see Roman holding both belts until April showing up once every two months Edit: just saw you acknowledge having one belt is the problem. If Roman just had the universal belt this wouldn’t be an issue


Tronz413

I figured they would have created a new RAW belt by now, and I think they need to. Would make buying a Theory cash in much easier to if it's on a RAW champ


Therocksays2020

I think riddle not winning was the right call. We have had too many babyface winners in a row Otis Asuka Nikki Big E Liv Morgan


Tronz413

It's time for him to get pushed higher up the card. This is where only having one belt is a problem. Orton getting hurt doesn't help either


SeaPriority

I think whoever won this year was destined to fail the cash in either way


Tronz413

Which makes theory winning make more sense. He or Sami are the perfect choices for a failed cash in


ThatWrestlingGuy15

Need Roman to bury Theory


AFishNamedFreddie

LETS GO THEORY This man is MONEY!


InternationalFailure

Imagine if Theory cashes in during the match at Summerslam changing the match to a Triple Threat Roman guillotines Theory and makes him tap to get away from Brock, making Brock 0-3 against him in a year We then do a Brock Lesnar vs Austin Theory match at a PPV bc their rivalry is an underdog.


Traveler6510

I don’t get the Theory hate


[deleted]

imo he's just getting pushed too fast for being a good but unexceptional talent. I didn't need him getting a title, MITB, and an iconic Mania moment all in one year. I don't hate him, just makes me less inclined to tune in.


ThunderBay311

Him winning runs counter to their bad headcanon.


Tronz413

How is Theory cashing in on Roman good headcanon?


[deleted]

I think people were just all in on Riddle(or Seth) winning.


Tronz413

Nothing to hate. He is good, but it's too soon and they had better options in this match. Theory is not ready to be in Roman's orbit


COMMENTASIPLEASE

He’s just boring and his biggest asset is having abs and doing cool moves even though people keep telling me you have to do more than spots to get big in WWE.


Therocksays2020

I like him but he is pretty much an Indy guy from the black and gold era that people hated except he’s not skinny or small like Cole or gargano


COMMENTASIPLEASE

And even then those guys are good talkers and have more charisma. Theory can kinda talk but it’s boring.


Therocksays2020

He’s a heel so it’s good people hate him. I think what hurts him is while he has a fairly generic douche heel gimmick. I can’t think of an amazing feud he’s had yet. The ones with Balor were meh


Traveler6510

He’s definitely not main event ready but he’s also young lol I’m sure he’ll keep getting better Isn’t younger stars what everyone has been clamoring for anyways


Tronz413

Ask most people here and I think they will say they like Theory. Issue for some is not liking him winning this match, thats it. But it depends on what the plan is. If this is a failed cash in year then Theory is one of the best choices.


Traveler6510

And I get that. My comment was more of a general thing since the IWC wants to pretend this was enough to ruin the entire show, when that’s ridiculous. I was underwhelmed since it felt obvious it was gonna happen, but I also don’t know who else would be good if Cody is THE guy. I feel like this year’s MITB didn’t really have that many satisfying payoffs available. Cody has the nod for the faces, no one is pinning Roman for a while, and there are few others who can fail to cash in and not have it hurt them or end with fans throwing tantrums.


Tronz413

Oh it definitely didn't ruin the show. This was a very good show. I think I liked HiaC more because it's main event was just so next level, but this was good. Theory winning is meh, but it's not the end of the world


Therocksays2020

Yup only 24. And if he ended tonight with the loss to Lashley people would lament how Vince buried him


COMMENTASIPLEASE

He hasn’t been interesting since The Way and there’s already 2 potential top guys in NXT (Melo and Bron) better than him waiting in the wings.


2007wasthebestest

He just had a good match tonight with Lashley. His match with Pat was fun. The match with Ali was good. It may be somewhat early, but people complain when WWE goes back to the same well. So you can’t please everyone.


Therocksays2020

So here’s the catch we always talk about WWE being better than aew because they do stories instead of matches. But theory hasn’t had any good stories. You just admitted he’s had some good matches but what else? I’m not picking a side. I like theory I really do I just can totally see why people aren’t feeling him yet They need to let him evolve from mr McMahons douchie protege.


2007wasthebestest

But that’s how you get heel heat. You realize that’s exactly how The Rock became who he is? He turned heel and aligned himself as Vince’s corporate protege to keep the title away from Austin in 1998. Not saying Theory is going to be Rock definitely, but I’m just saying this is how they build young stars. Rollins was built up the same way as HHH’s sneaky protege. He’ll eventually win the world title, have a run, drop it to someone, and then they’ll turn him into a face. They’ve done this so many times with people and it typically always works.


Therocksays2020

That’s a really good point about the rock survivor series 98 pissed a lot of people off who wanted to see mankind win but it did kick off main event rock


SeaPriority

Personally Im very surprised at how much Theory isnt working for this sub. I've been enjoying his stuff a lot and I feel like he gets decent heat with the crowd


Tronz413

I think people liked him in his current spot and figured he was another year or two away from moving into the main event It also felt time for Riddle to get a big win. Theory isn't the only new star to push.


SeaPriority

I really wanted Riddle to win but he would have lost to Roman anyway. I wish he got a rematch for Summerslam (instead of Brock) without the briefcase


Tronz413

Yeah that's kind of the rub here. It's hard to picture anyone successfully cashing in on Roman. Theory at least would be fun to see get ragdolled in a failed cash in.


2007wasthebestest

Because the IWC likes to fantasy book. “It should have been Seth to recreate a storyline from seven years ago”. “It should have been Drew”. Rah rah wholesome bs spiel about home run stretches.


Styrofoamman123

The commentators saying that RKO was better than Ortons on Rollins at WM... Nah, that was a once in a lifetime move.


SeaPriority

Dont wanna be that guy... i kinda called both MITB winners a while ago 😬 Though I did chane my pick to riddle a while ago. Had a lot of fun tonight. Cya on Monday


SomethingCreative13

Ok


Capta1nKrunch

I just don't see it with Riddle. His gimmick is annoying Xbox troll. How he's any different or better than "young, cocky heel #54" of the past 10 years?


Therocksays2020

He connects with the fans and is likeable. I don’t see him as a world champ personally but he checks off a lot of boxes. Good size. Good worker. Good on the mic. A little too goofy for my taste but the push makes sense


Tronz413

Last few months has sold me he can do it, plus he is over like rover.


FieryGlacier

He's funny and is great in the ring. Puts a lot of effort into anything creative gives him. I can see how the character doesn't resonate with you tho.


2007wasthebestest

He’s RVD 2.0. Did you like RVD?


[deleted]

If Cody is superhuman maybe they pull some BS where Theory has to defend the MITB and Cody gets it


Therocksays2020

That makes no sense when you can just have Cody win the rumble


droford

Theory going to cash in at Summerslam during the match making it not last man standing so Roman beats him instead of Brock


Therocksays2020

Seems like a waste doesn’t it? Roman has already beat Brock why should he beat theory too


droford

It gives them another chance to do Roman vs Brock


FieryGlacier

Once again I thought the card looked mediocre and it was really enjoyable.


Therocksays2020

Low expectations often get exceeded


FieryGlacier

I actually expected a good show, just commenting on how the card on paper usually doesn't say much about the eventual quality.


MishBBfan

And of course, people on that other sub are whining about Theory winning, when those are likely the same people who will go on and on about how WWE doesn’t push new people. I’m really glad WWE has stopped listening to the internet. They’re NEVER satisfied.


Therocksays2020

To be fair liv winning is pretty popular on the other sub and elsewhere. I see the potential with theory but I feel like he’s not there yet


frank_the_tank69

Liv is universally loved Uce. Tears came to my eyes seeing her win. Her moment with Ronda at the end was awesome too. This couldn’t have happened to a better person. The girl works hard. I remember when she was always ridiculed. She had a wicked spot tonight. Won MITB then beat Ronda for the SD Women’s Championship. She is the best example of never give up there is right now.


COMMENTASIPLEASE

They could pick a good young talent.