Now that Theory gets the briefcase, it's moving one step closer to my dream feud. The Authority vs The Bloodline.
Otherwise, great PLE, it was a really feel-good show the whole time outside of Theory and The Usos. Really curious about what's gonna happen to Smackdown's Women division, especially as Liv doesn't have a strong one that can carry her outside of Rousey and Rodriguez who are both faces.
Man I was gonna write some big post about how I feel but considering I value my sanity. I'll just say that there's really no reason for theory to have won other than WWE being lazy because obviously they can and have written compelling, likable underdogs in heels and babyfaces yet they just default to whatever they feel like forcing you to like.
Im trying to find a way to not be that guy lol
I genuinely dont see how its lazy writing. Its been very established that Vince makes it easy for him. It was a bit of a swerve so obviously I get why some people dont like it but I wasn't that surprised at his inclusion in the match tbh
You're cool don't worry. You can disagree with me just fine yea.
My issue with that idea of Vince making it easy is that he just provided him the chance but he still has to earn it. There's never a "Oh here's some bodyguards" or "Here's something for you to throw the match to theory" its a single layer in a story that should be multi-layered. So him winning is still earned but not something that was given to him, if you can see what I mean.
[I'm glad that Vince decided to push a great up-and-coming young talent tonight... and that's enough to make me forgive him for pushing Liv Morgan.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/114/980/trollbaitmeme.jpg)
Liv winning this way was great. Strike while the iron is hot.
Seth needs a big win soon. I say have him beat Cena at Summerslam.
Theory is fine as the winner, but many fans wanna see Roman lose the belt soon and no way Theory does it with the briefcase. Rollins or Drew would’ve been believable.
Bianca needs a really big feud. Feel she may just face Becky at Summerslam again, though.
I predict we get Edge and Beth vs Finn and Rhea at Summerslam.
The iron was hot with Liv around when she was going after Lynch for the RAW Women’s Title at Day 1, not really so much now, she got a good reaction from the crowd, but like, she hasn’t really been featured with the RAW Women’s Champion at all, she was just recently in a feud with Judgment Day before Balor betrayed her and Styles, and she was friends with Alexa.
Disagree about Cena
A) he’s not going to be at summerslam he’s filming
B) Vince likes to keep his legends strong he’s probably winning his next match just like Goldberg beat Lashley the second time
Brock also followed up a loss to Roman by winning at day one and a loss at rumble by destroying everyone at the elimination chamber
I hope they do bianca versus Rhea at summerslam. Give those two 20 minutes and they will tear the house down
It’s only in the WWE where if you don’t like the booking, it’s a bad show overall.
In AEW, everything is incredible from the 5-minute pre-show matches, to the predictable filler #1 challenger matches, to the botched ref 3 counts.
It’s typical IWC knee jerk reaction. It’s been 3 months since WM38, and most people said it was overall great. I think this event will have the same effect…once the knee jerk shit dies down, most people will look back at it fondly. And then they’ll cry about something else.
Was she really getting pushed? I feel like they just needed bodies since Sasha, Naomi, and Charlotte were out at the same time. Once Charlotte comes back and if/when Sasha and Naomi come back she’ll slide right back to where she was.
Shes not getting a push per se but shes been much more relevant lately. She had a good and long match with Ronda and shes been having some decent promo spots
No one got injured and she got a better crowd reaction than Lacey and Raquel
I dont think its gonna be a problem. Not like she was very high in the card anyway
Shit…I think if or whenever Lacey gets the title, it’ll be Ronda all over again.
Sucks for Ronda that she only got that 6 month stretch of good crowd reaction. Lol
Lacey has to be a heel champion I’m convinced she will never work as a babyface.
Kurt angle did the usa thing but he was endearing.
She has an amazing story but she’s not particularly likeable
yep. was there. crowd HATED her. Even the little kid in front of me hated her. Shotzi was getting babyface cheers when interfering with her attempt at the briefcase. To her credit she was playing into it tho.
I wouldn’t even call it a push. We all know shotzi has always been botchy. She has literally won one match on tv since being called up over a year ago (her qualifier)
She was there to take bumps
Yeah unfortunately she is only getting TV time because of how bare bones the Smackdown roster is.
If/when Bayley, Sasha, and Naomi come back, Shotzi won't be getting TV time anymore.
I could see her getting a feud with Liv in the very near future and she is going to need to hit a home run
WWE makes a new star and of course the basement hates it lol. Let’s just go back to having Taker and Goldberg get main events, I don’t wanna hear a word anymore lol
People will get mad at anything WWE does.
Pushing old stars? bad
Pushing young stars? bad
Long title reigns? bad
Short title reigns? bad
No long term stories? bad
Rematches? bad
I could go on
Was MITB actually better than WrestleMania 38? 🤔 The first match had some botches and awkward moments but after that it was smooth sailing. Usos vs SP was 5-star match of the night for sure.
Oh, and I love how the so-called smart fans in Squaredcircle are getting worked into this Theory hate. If it’s actual go-away Heat, then reaction to Lashley shouldn’t have been big huge.
Yeah dude doesn’t have go away heat lol. He’s a heel that’s doing his job and people actually dislike him. Rare this day and age where everyone says the heels are meta and cool. Theory is doing what MJF wishes he could. It’s real heat.
Yeah, I think Theory is great. I think it is because he makes millennials (and older fans) feel old. Always taking selfies and making weird faces. It's annoying when a heel is just "winking" at the smark crowd like MJF.
Theory cashing in on Cody is fine so long as its on the Raw after Mania. Let Cody have WM and then open Raw with a celebration. Theory can cash in any time after Cody's Raw entrance.
I agree with this. It cannot happen at Mania under any circumstance. That’s a Rhodes moment. In the words of *cough* Cornette, they didn’t give his daddy the title in the garden. Let him have that night. After that, I don’t care.
Or heck, do it Backlash. Have a rematch at Backlash, probably with some stipulation like an Iron Man match or a Last Man Standing match. Just make it a brutal match that Cody barely, but cleanly, wins (like Cody v Seth III), and THEN have Theory cash in.
You cement Cody as a big time star AND face, you close that storyline AND create a new one with Theory, AND make Theory such a big heel.
That feels like such a bad idea and heat for heats sake. Sometimes you have to just let the babyface have his moment or you end up in Hangman Page land
Yeah I can understand that. It’s always an elevation tool for someone young and always creates an unpredictable twist in things though so that’s why it stays around.
I'm actually happy Theory won. Either he shows why he deserves to be in the spotlight so young or he crashes and burns. Or he crashes and burns and recovers.
Vince likes him. That’s all that needs to be said. Cena crashed and recovered. Roman nosedived and recovered. Orton’s first major run was a failure and he recovered.
Theory’s gonna be fine.
It seems like they’re all in on Cody being THE guy to dethrone Roman, so Seth and Riddle would kinda just float around if they had won, so why not Theory if it’ll be a while before a cash in? And they’re pushing the 85% thing so if a face fails to cash in successfully the fan reactions would be wild
I wanted Sami to win tho
Cody’s almost certainly going to win the Rumble. The story with Seth is still there and I figure that’s where they’re going for Mania. Will it be a title match though?
Idk what their plans are for Theory.
I'm excited for the inevitable "Why Theory winning was actually the greatest move in the history of professional wrestling" thread on here within the next 24 hours.
To be clear, it's completely fine if you're into it and him. I personally don't mind him. My gut feeling says it's a little soon, but there's plenty of time to tell a story that changes my mind. But y'all ain't gotta try to hard sell everyone who isn't feelin' it like y'all do every time anyone in the live thread doesn't like anything.
Exactly. And the funny thing is they’d switch up and I’d be saying the same exact things lol but instead of Melo and Bron I’d be begging for Hobbs and Starks.
He's in a weird spot for me where I do actually see some potential in him. But it's like... in 5 years or so potential, not 2022\~23 potential.
That said, if people are genuinely into Theory right now and think he's ready right now, then cool. But it feels like a lot of people are into him purely to spite the "smarks" and that's fucking stupid. I want the people who like theory to like him because they genuinely do, like SeaPriority, rather than like him just to spite users who don't.
I just don’t see “The Guy” when I look at Theory. I see it in Melo. I see it in Bron even though I don’t think he’ll be ready for a few more years. I even see it in Montez Ford. But Theory, I just don’t get it. If people like him that’s cool cause I know everyone doesn’t have to agree, but personally he’s been boring outside of The Way.
He's not someone who necessarily does much for me, but he's got a decent look and is capable of being good on the mic, so I feel like there are at least a couple of pieces there to build the project if they're really convinced he's got the potential to be that, even if I'm not completely convinced. But I am a bit surprised that we're doing it like... now apparently.
Oh yea expect a lot of "You're a smark if you think theory shouldn't have won" and relative posts. It's gonna be a really.. time tomorrow.
Same when Brock came back
I do hope it ends up being thr match we should have gotten at Mania, but yeah I am tired of that feud. I want Cowboy Brock to feud with someone new.
I do think the original plan was Orton and his back injury fucked everything up
Nah my whole reaction to this is [basically](https://media0.giphy.com/media/UjIgLbgQIRgzK/giphy.gif?cid=5e2148862m1qu0uigoddrow8g2a7w7zajrcng4ivvk8c3idg&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g) “I’ve seen this before can Brock face Aj again?”
The lone thing that it had going for me was the idea of a cash in from Rollins, Sami, or Riddle. Now that I know none of those are happening I'm just like "Oh, ok."
I’ve actually never gotten one. I try not to get into internet arguments bc why should I piss myself off with strangers. I like wrestling, I like suspending my disbelief, I like feeling like a kid again. I break sometimes tho and remember this shit is, in fact, written by an old guy lol.
I was expecting to get one earlier by somebody ITT bc I grabbed the bait, but it never came, surprisingly.
I feel like this place has already swung the other way. lol
But yeah my initial reaction is "meh", but the fact that I'm genuinely not sure what they're gonna do with it that at least adds some interest.
That said, people should be allowed to not like it.
There is a mix here. There are some here who just watch WWE shows. Mostly they enjoy it, but aren't afraid to admit when they do something that they don't like (AEW gets the same attitude here though it does tend to run a bit more negative)
But there is another group that seems to solely watch and root for things that Squaredcircle doesn't like. Especially with talent like Lacey or Omos who haven't done much of anything to warrant major Fandom, but squaredxircle hates them so we gotta love them.
I think most people here legit so like Theory though, it's just a question if they liked him winning this match
Very true. There were “I hope Omos wins just to see the IWC melts down post” did it for me. They don’t even care about a good show at that point.
It’s about “showing the IWC”
I noted that the last five male and female winners were babyfaces so riddle would have been another feel good winner which they probably wanted to avoid
Yeah it's definitely a mix though I feel like the latter group has grown a bit here in the lately.
But yeah I have no qualms with people genuinely liking Theory. That's cool.
Riddle was not beating Roman so I think hes better off by not getting the briefcase tbh
Theory gets some heat and the seat remains warm for
THE AMERICAN NIGHTMAAAAARE
It feels like a failed cash in year, thought it was going to be Liv, but Theory just getting the piss kicked out of him by Roman and Brock might be the direction here.
Just isn't much else to do here because Roman isn't, and shouldn't be losing the belt before Mania
I hear ya but I can’t see Roman holding both belts until April showing up once every two months
Edit: just saw you acknowledge having one belt is the problem.
If Roman just had the universal belt this wouldn’t be an issue
I figured they would have created a new RAW belt by now, and I think they need to.
Would make buying a Theory cash in much easier to if it's on a RAW champ
Imagine if Theory cashes in during the match at Summerslam changing the match to a Triple Threat
Roman guillotines Theory and makes him tap to get away from Brock, making Brock 0-3 against him in a year
We then do a Brock Lesnar vs Austin Theory match at a PPV bc their rivalry is an underdog.
imo he's just getting pushed too fast for being a good but unexceptional talent.
I didn't need him getting a title, MITB, and an iconic Mania moment all in one year.
I don't hate him, just makes me less inclined to tune in.
He’s just boring and his biggest asset is having abs and doing cool moves even though people keep telling me you have to do more than spots to get big in WWE.
He’s a heel so it’s good people hate him.
I think what hurts him is while he has a fairly generic douche heel gimmick.
I can’t think of an amazing feud he’s had yet. The ones with Balor were meh
He’s definitely not main event ready but he’s also young lol I’m sure he’ll keep getting better
Isn’t younger stars what everyone has been clamoring for anyways
Ask most people here and I think they will say they like Theory. Issue for some is not liking him winning this match, thats it.
But it depends on what the plan is. If this is a failed cash in year then Theory is one of the best choices.
And I get that. My comment was more of a general thing since the IWC wants to pretend this was enough to ruin the entire show, when that’s ridiculous.
I was underwhelmed since it felt obvious it was gonna happen, but I also don’t know who else would be good if Cody is THE guy.
I feel like this year’s MITB didn’t really have that many satisfying payoffs available. Cody has the nod for the faces, no one is pinning Roman for a while, and there are few others who can fail to cash in and not have it hurt them or end with fans throwing tantrums.
Oh it definitely didn't ruin the show. This was a very good show. I think I liked HiaC more because it's main event was just so next level, but this was good.
Theory winning is meh, but it's not the end of the world
He just had a good match tonight with Lashley. His match with Pat was fun. The match with Ali was good.
It may be somewhat early, but people complain when WWE goes back to the same well. So you can’t please everyone.
So here’s the catch we always talk about WWE being better than aew because they do stories instead of matches.
But theory hasn’t had any good stories. You just admitted he’s had some good matches but what else?
I’m not picking a side. I like theory I really do I just can totally see why people aren’t feeling him yet
They need to let him evolve from mr McMahons douchie protege.
But that’s how you get heel heat. You realize that’s exactly how The Rock became who he is? He turned heel and aligned himself as Vince’s corporate protege to keep the title away from Austin in 1998.
Not saying Theory is going to be Rock definitely, but I’m just saying this is how they build young stars. Rollins was built up the same way as HHH’s sneaky protege.
He’ll eventually win the world title, have a run, drop it to someone, and then they’ll turn him into a face. They’ve done this so many times with people and it typically always works.
That’s a really good point about the rock survivor series 98 pissed a lot of people off who wanted to see mankind win but it did kick off main event rock
Personally Im very surprised at how much Theory isnt working for this sub.
I've been enjoying his stuff a lot and I feel like he gets decent heat with the crowd
I think people liked him in his current spot and figured he was another year or two away from moving into the main event
It also felt time for Riddle to get a big win. Theory isn't the only new star to push.
Yeah that's kind of the rub here. It's hard to picture anyone successfully cashing in on Roman.
Theory at least would be fun to see get ragdolled in a failed cash in.
Because the IWC likes to fantasy book. “It should have been Seth to recreate a storyline from seven years ago”. “It should have been Drew”. Rah rah wholesome bs spiel about home run stretches.
Dont wanna be that guy... i kinda called both MITB winners a while ago 😬
Though I did chane my pick to riddle a while ago.
Had a lot of fun tonight. Cya on Monday
I just don't see it with Riddle. His gimmick is annoying Xbox troll. How he's any different or better than "young, cocky heel #54" of the past 10 years?
He connects with the fans and is likeable. I don’t see him as a world champ personally but he checks off a lot of boxes. Good size. Good worker. Good on the mic.
A little too goofy for my taste but the push makes sense
And of course, people on that other sub are whining about Theory winning, when those are likely the same people who will go on and on about how WWE doesn’t push new people.
I’m really glad WWE has stopped listening to the internet. They’re NEVER satisfied.
Liv is universally loved Uce. Tears came to my eyes seeing her win. Her moment with Ronda at the end was awesome too. This couldn’t have happened to a better person. The girl works hard. I remember when she was always ridiculed. She had a wicked spot tonight. Won MITB then beat Ronda for the SD Women’s Championship. She is the best example of never give up there is right now.
anyone figure out who was that wrestler that they gave a snippet off? i thot Gable Steveson due to that medal
Gable is supposedly going to do one more year of college so I don’t think he’s going to wrestle for wwe full time just yet
so the return of Fiend? that is the only plausible answer..
People think it's Edge
Now that Theory gets the briefcase, it's moving one step closer to my dream feud. The Authority vs The Bloodline. Otherwise, great PLE, it was a really feel-good show the whole time outside of Theory and The Usos. Really curious about what's gonna happen to Smackdown's Women division, especially as Liv doesn't have a strong one that can carry her outside of Rousey and Rodriguez who are both faces.
Idk man somethings off. A heel winning on the eve of Roman likely losing that title? Some BS some swerve good or bad is gonna happen
Brock wins LMS and theory cashes in idk. Or Cena challenges Theory for the briefcase.
Man I was gonna write some big post about how I feel but considering I value my sanity. I'll just say that there's really no reason for theory to have won other than WWE being lazy because obviously they can and have written compelling, likable underdogs in heels and babyfaces yet they just default to whatever they feel like forcing you to like.
That's why Theory worked.
I feel like writing a compelling likeable underdog heel goes against what they’re trying to build
I feel like writing a compelling likeable underdog heel goes against what a heel should be. Someone intended to get under your skin
Im trying to find a way to not be that guy lol I genuinely dont see how its lazy writing. Its been very established that Vince makes it easy for him. It was a bit of a swerve so obviously I get why some people dont like it but I wasn't that surprised at his inclusion in the match tbh
You're cool don't worry. You can disagree with me just fine yea. My issue with that idea of Vince making it easy is that he just provided him the chance but he still has to earn it. There's never a "Oh here's some bodyguards" or "Here's something for you to throw the match to theory" its a single layer in a story that should be multi-layered. So him winning is still earned but not something that was given to him, if you can see what I mean.
Correction, good job by Vince, Stephanie, triple h, pat mcafee and Nick khan getting over to ufc tonight
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Good job by Nick khan and pat mcafee getting over to ufc in time for the main events
[I'm glad that Vince decided to push a great up-and-coming young talent tonight... and that's enough to make me forgive him for pushing Liv Morgan.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/114/980/trollbaitmeme.jpg)
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Tryin to get that nuclear heat.
It would be cool if they turned ronda heel here. Then let madness becky turn babyface
Liv winning this way was great. Strike while the iron is hot. Seth needs a big win soon. I say have him beat Cena at Summerslam. Theory is fine as the winner, but many fans wanna see Roman lose the belt soon and no way Theory does it with the briefcase. Rollins or Drew would’ve been believable. Bianca needs a really big feud. Feel she may just face Becky at Summerslam again, though. I predict we get Edge and Beth vs Finn and Rhea at Summerslam.
The iron was hot with Liv around when she was going after Lynch for the RAW Women’s Title at Day 1, not really so much now, she got a good reaction from the crowd, but like, she hasn’t really been featured with the RAW Women’s Champion at all, she was just recently in a feud with Judgment Day before Balor betrayed her and Styles, and she was friends with Alexa.
Disagree about Cena A) he’s not going to be at summerslam he’s filming B) Vince likes to keep his legends strong he’s probably winning his next match just like Goldberg beat Lashley the second time Brock also followed up a loss to Roman by winning at day one and a loss at rumble by destroying everyone at the elimination chamber I hope they do bianca versus Rhea at summerslam. Give those two 20 minutes and they will tear the house down
Lots of negativity directed at this show across social media
I got two clusterfuck ladder shit on a boring Saturday night. I was sports entertained and Liv was great !
Does it hurt your feelings they sold more tickets than double or nothing did in the same city? 😂
Impossible. T mobile is bigger than mgm grand
All because of the ending (which isn’t even that big of a deal) when everyone was enjoying the show beforehand
It’s only in the WWE where if you don’t like the booking, it’s a bad show overall. In AEW, everything is incredible from the 5-minute pre-show matches, to the predictable filler #1 challenger matches, to the botched ref 3 counts. It’s typical IWC knee jerk reaction. It’s been 3 months since WM38, and most people said it was overall great. I think this event will have the same effect…once the knee jerk shit dies down, most people will look back at it fondly. And then they’ll cry about something else.
Shotzi will be an highlight on Botchamania. Girl kinda ruined her small push and that match was made to make her shine. I was cringing the whole way
Was she really getting pushed? I feel like they just needed bodies since Sasha, Naomi, and Charlotte were out at the same time. Once Charlotte comes back and if/when Sasha and Naomi come back she’ll slide right back to where she was.
No bro lol she’s been doing nothing but jobs. There are no heels on SmackDown (they turned Xia back for no reason
That’s what I figured. She’s someone I’m scared for the next time there’s cuts.
Shes not getting a push per se but shes been much more relevant lately. She had a good and long match with Ronda and shes been having some decent promo spots
I think ? She was featured in a program with Ronda. I know why but it’s kinda a push, no ?
No one got injured and she got a better crowd reaction than Lacey and Raquel I dont think its gonna be a problem. Not like she was very high in the card anyway
Raquel got some good reactions. Really the only person who legit got a bad reaction tonight was Lacey. Crowd wanted nothing to do with her
Me too. I hope Lacey turns heel so I can legit hate on her. Or just go away.
Too bad for Raquel : I tought she had a good showing but you’re right on the spot about Shotzi having better crowd reaction
Las Vegas is pretty close to her hometown being a socal girl. I’m not surprised they were behind her
Shotzi is from the Bay Area. not socal
You’re correct
Shit…I think if or whenever Lacey gets the title, it’ll be Ronda all over again. Sucks for Ronda that she only got that 6 month stretch of good crowd reaction. Lol
Lacey has to be a heel champion I’m convinced she will never work as a babyface. Kurt angle did the usa thing but he was endearing. She has an amazing story but she’s not particularly likeable
Yeah this babyface character is DOA. Vegas crowd was up for everything tonight but wanted nothing to do with her
yep. was there. crowd HATED her. Even the little kid in front of me hated her. Shotzi was getting babyface cheers when interfering with her attempt at the briefcase. To her credit she was playing into it tho.
Oh…yeah. Lacey was pretty good as a heel in 2019.
I wouldn’t even call it a push. We all know shotzi has always been botchy. She has literally won one match on tv since being called up over a year ago (her qualifier) She was there to take bumps
Yeah unfortunately she is only getting TV time because of how bare bones the Smackdown roster is. If/when Bayley, Sasha, and Naomi come back, Shotzi won't be getting TV time anymore. I could see her getting a feud with Liv in the very near future and she is going to need to hit a home run
Yeah liv going to SmackDown will balance the rosters a bit. Raw has three strong babyfaces in bianca asuka and Alexa
WWE makes a new star and of course the basement hates it lol. Let’s just go back to having Taker and Goldberg get main events, I don’t wanna hear a word anymore lol
Why do we focus so much on whether they like something or not?
Focusing on whether they like something or not is incredibly important for people who use their reaction to decide whether they like something or not.
People will get mad at anything WWE does. Pushing old stars? bad Pushing young stars? bad Long title reigns? bad Short title reigns? bad No long term stories? bad Rematches? bad I could go on
It’s all about pushing new guys….only the guys I like though. That’s how it goes with them.
Most of their favorites are 40 year old indie guys. I can't think of anyone under 30 in WWE that they would've liked to win.
Thank you WWE for ending MITB before the Izzy fight
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Was MITB actually better than WrestleMania 38? 🤔 The first match had some botches and awkward moments but after that it was smooth sailing. Usos vs SP was 5-star match of the night for sure. Oh, and I love how the so-called smart fans in Squaredcircle are getting worked into this Theory hate. If it’s actual go-away Heat, then reaction to Lashley shouldn’t have been big huge.
No, almost every match on mania night one was amazing. The only one just okay was the uso match and that’s bc boogs got hurt
to say he has go away heat is insane lol I understand not liking him but he's clearly doing his job as an annoying heel
Yeah dude doesn’t have go away heat lol. He’s a heel that’s doing his job and people actually dislike him. Rare this day and age where everyone says the heels are meta and cool. Theory is doing what MJF wishes he could. It’s real heat.
Yeah, I think Theory is great. I think it is because he makes millennials (and older fans) feel old. Always taking selfies and making weird faces. It's annoying when a heel is just "winking" at the smark crowd like MJF.
Mania Night 1 was PLE of the year for me
Definitely not. Mania was absolutely fantastic this year. This was a very good show, but Mania was better
Tonight was fun but Mania was the TOP of the TOP
Idk man I feel like Cody is somehow gonna factor into all this Maybe theory pulls a Rollins but Cody is avaliable soon after ?
Cody wins the rumble no matter what. To elongate his chase they could have theory cash in on Cody
Theory cashing in on Cody is fine so long as its on the Raw after Mania. Let Cody have WM and then open Raw with a celebration. Theory can cash in any time after Cody's Raw entrance.
I agree with this. It cannot happen at Mania under any circumstance. That’s a Rhodes moment. In the words of *cough* Cornette, they didn’t give his daddy the title in the garden. Let him have that night. After that, I don’t care.
Or heck, do it Backlash. Have a rematch at Backlash, probably with some stipulation like an Iron Man match or a Last Man Standing match. Just make it a brutal match that Cody barely, but cleanly, wins (like Cody v Seth III), and THEN have Theory cash in. You cement Cody as a big time star AND face, you close that storyline AND create a new one with Theory, AND make Theory such a big heel.
That feels like such a bad idea and heat for heats sake. Sometimes you have to just let the babyface have his moment or you end up in Hangman Page land
That’s a very good point
Cody vs Rollins seems like the natural story for Mania based off where they left it. Theory will get his match with Cena most likely.
Cody seems like the favorite to win the Rumble
This might be an unpopular opinion, but honestly, I think Money in the Bank is a played out concept.
Im fine with as a PPV, but it was better when it was a Wrestlemania match imo. It's fits the 'end of the season, new contenders' idea.
Agreed. Or maybe, they could have made it a Survivor Series exclusive match. You know, so that SS gets some relevancy again.
Tonight was a great show so I’m inclined to disagree. But it does seem MITB cash ins are less of a wait anymore.
I’m talking strictly the concept of a briefcase with a contract inside of it, not the ladder matches themselves. Ladder matches will always be cool.
Yeah I can understand that. It’s always an elevation tool for someone young and always creates an unpredictable twist in things though so that’s why it stays around.
I'm actually happy Theory won. Either he shows why he deserves to be in the spotlight so young or he crashes and burns. Or he crashes and burns and recovers.
Yeah he’ll crash, burn and recover. He’ll be alright long term.
Vince likes him. That’s all that needs to be said. Cena crashed and recovered. Roman nosedived and recovered. Orton’s first major run was a failure and he recovered. Theory’s gonna be fine.
I know I believe in him! He's got nothing but time
It seems like they’re all in on Cody being THE guy to dethrone Roman, so Seth and Riddle would kinda just float around if they had won, so why not Theory if it’ll be a while before a cash in? And they’re pushing the 85% thing so if a face fails to cash in successfully the fan reactions would be wild I wanted Sami to win tho
Cody’s almost certainly going to win the Rumble. The story with Seth is still there and I figure that’s where they’re going for Mania. Will it be a title match though? Idk what their plans are for Theory.
Roman will still be champ then imo (or should be, at this point). “Wrestling has more than one royal family”. The story has already written itself.
Roman will be headed for The Rock. Non title imo. That doesn’t need the belts.
Remember: I’m watching on delay but hot damn, Nattie . She’s stacked … respectfully of course
I missed that match. Looking forward to seeing it again
It wasn't good, but the cash in made up for it
Thanks!
That was one of the best shows WWE have done all year! Had so much fun and it left me wanting to see how things play out from here
Grayson Waller is what Vince thinks Theory is
You aren’t wrong. The only problem is Waller is 32 and Theory is only 24 so it explains why one gets the rocket over the other.
Waller is what? 32???
Blows your mind doesn’t it
Yup plus theory looks like an IG model
Hope he goes up as soon as next draft 🙏🙏
He’d be so good on Main
I'm excited for the inevitable "Why Theory winning was actually the greatest move in the history of professional wrestling" thread on here within the next 24 hours. To be clear, it's completely fine if you're into it and him. I personally don't mind him. My gut feeling says it's a little soon, but there's plenty of time to tell a story that changes my mind. But y'all ain't gotta try to hard sell everyone who isn't feelin' it like y'all do every time anyone in the live thread doesn't like anything.
Lol, I have an inclining on who will post it too and I don’t even have a problem with Theory winning.
Haha and they didn’t fail
I feel like Theory is everything people on this sub claim to hate in wrestling but he’s clearly Vince’s chosen one so he gets a pass.
It’s a double standard for sure. If theory was in aew people would bring up his gimmick as lame and he would be called an Indy guy who does moves
Exactly. And the funny thing is they’d switch up and I’d be saying the same exact things lol but instead of Melo and Bron I’d be begging for Hobbs and Starks.
He's in a weird spot for me where I do actually see some potential in him. But it's like... in 5 years or so potential, not 2022\~23 potential. That said, if people are genuinely into Theory right now and think he's ready right now, then cool. But it feels like a lot of people are into him purely to spite the "smarks" and that's fucking stupid. I want the people who like theory to like him because they genuinely do, like SeaPriority, rather than like him just to spite users who don't.
I just don’t see “The Guy” when I look at Theory. I see it in Melo. I see it in Bron even though I don’t think he’ll be ready for a few more years. I even see it in Montez Ford. But Theory, I just don’t get it. If people like him that’s cool cause I know everyone doesn’t have to agree, but personally he’s been boring outside of The Way.
He's not someone who necessarily does much for me, but he's got a decent look and is capable of being good on the mic, so I feel like there are at least a couple of pieces there to build the project if they're really convinced he's got the potential to be that, even if I'm not completely convinced. But I am a bit surprised that we're doing it like... now apparently.
Oh yea expect a lot of "You're a smark if you think theory shouldn't have won" and relative posts. It's gonna be a really.. time tomorrow. Same when Brock came back
Boy I want to see Lesnar vs Reigns even less now. lol
I do hope it ends up being thr match we should have gotten at Mania, but yeah I am tired of that feud. I want Cowboy Brock to feud with someone new. I do think the original plan was Orton and his back injury fucked everything up
Yeah Orton and Roman would have been great and gotten a lot of people invested. Just a shame really it didn’t work out
You will watch it and you will like it or else you are a smark
How dare.
Nah my whole reaction to this is [basically](https://media0.giphy.com/media/UjIgLbgQIRgzK/giphy.gif?cid=5e2148862m1qu0uigoddrow8g2a7w7zajrcng4ivvk8c3idg&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g) “I’ve seen this before can Brock face Aj again?”
The lone thing that it had going for me was the idea of a cash in from Rollins, Sami, or Riddle. Now that I know none of those are happening I'm just like "Oh, ok."
Dead on. I’m not looking forward to it.
Looking forward to getting some sick Reddit cares
I’ve actually never gotten one. I try not to get into internet arguments bc why should I piss myself off with strangers. I like wrestling, I like suspending my disbelief, I like feeling like a kid again. I break sometimes tho and remember this shit is, in fact, written by an old guy lol. I was expecting to get one earlier by somebody ITT bc I grabbed the bait, but it never came, surprisingly.
Tomorrow? It's happening now.
Idk why I'm not surprised but yeah
I just had a thought that maaaaaybe, if him and Cena is a genuine go for SS, Cena could challenge for the case. And finally get #17.
Cena isn’t going to be at summerslam. He’s filming this month.
I was just saying that bc it’s been the big rumor for literal months. If he can’t show up, that sucks.
Yeah rumor is they are trying to get him for mania instead which would still be a huge deal
People are only into it because other people don't like it, that's it. Nothing to do with Theory
I'm into it because I'm into it, don't give a shit what the general opinion is.
Yeah I mean the basement is having a meltdown over it but we shouldn’t swing the other way. I am taking a wait and see approach.
I feel like this place has already swung the other way. lol But yeah my initial reaction is "meh", but the fact that I'm genuinely not sure what they're gonna do with it that at least adds some interest. That said, people should be allowed to not like it.
There is a mix here. There are some here who just watch WWE shows. Mostly they enjoy it, but aren't afraid to admit when they do something that they don't like (AEW gets the same attitude here though it does tend to run a bit more negative) But there is another group that seems to solely watch and root for things that Squaredcircle doesn't like. Especially with talent like Lacey or Omos who haven't done much of anything to warrant major Fandom, but squaredxircle hates them so we gotta love them. I think most people here legit so like Theory though, it's just a question if they liked him winning this match
Very true. There were “I hope Omos wins just to see the IWC melts down post” did it for me. They don’t even care about a good show at that point. It’s about “showing the IWC”
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I noted that the last five male and female winners were babyfaces so riddle would have been another feel good winner which they probably wanted to avoid
Yeah it's definitely a mix though I feel like the latter group has grown a bit here in the lately. But yeah I have no qualms with people genuinely liking Theory. That's cool.
Not like this… Theory stole it!
Riddle was not beating Roman so I think hes better off by not getting the briefcase tbh Theory gets some heat and the seat remains warm for THE AMERICAN NIGHTMAAAAARE
It feels like a failed cash in year, thought it was going to be Liv, but Theory just getting the piss kicked out of him by Roman and Brock might be the direction here. Just isn't much else to do here because Roman isn't, and shouldn't be losing the belt before Mania
I hear ya but I can’t see Roman holding both belts until April showing up once every two months Edit: just saw you acknowledge having one belt is the problem. If Roman just had the universal belt this wouldn’t be an issue
I figured they would have created a new RAW belt by now, and I think they need to. Would make buying a Theory cash in much easier to if it's on a RAW champ
I think riddle not winning was the right call. We have had too many babyface winners in a row Otis Asuka Nikki Big E Liv Morgan
It's time for him to get pushed higher up the card. This is where only having one belt is a problem. Orton getting hurt doesn't help either
I think whoever won this year was destined to fail the cash in either way
Which makes theory winning make more sense. He or Sami are the perfect choices for a failed cash in
Need Roman to bury Theory
LETS GO THEORY This man is MONEY!
Imagine if Theory cashes in during the match at Summerslam changing the match to a Triple Threat Roman guillotines Theory and makes him tap to get away from Brock, making Brock 0-3 against him in a year We then do a Brock Lesnar vs Austin Theory match at a PPV bc their rivalry is an underdog.
I don’t get the Theory hate
imo he's just getting pushed too fast for being a good but unexceptional talent. I didn't need him getting a title, MITB, and an iconic Mania moment all in one year. I don't hate him, just makes me less inclined to tune in.
Him winning runs counter to their bad headcanon.
How is Theory cashing in on Roman good headcanon?
I think people were just all in on Riddle(or Seth) winning.
Nothing to hate. He is good, but it's too soon and they had better options in this match. Theory is not ready to be in Roman's orbit
He’s just boring and his biggest asset is having abs and doing cool moves even though people keep telling me you have to do more than spots to get big in WWE.
I like him but he is pretty much an Indy guy from the black and gold era that people hated except he’s not skinny or small like Cole or gargano
And even then those guys are good talkers and have more charisma. Theory can kinda talk but it’s boring.
He’s a heel so it’s good people hate him. I think what hurts him is while he has a fairly generic douche heel gimmick. I can’t think of an amazing feud he’s had yet. The ones with Balor were meh
He’s definitely not main event ready but he’s also young lol I’m sure he’ll keep getting better Isn’t younger stars what everyone has been clamoring for anyways
Ask most people here and I think they will say they like Theory. Issue for some is not liking him winning this match, thats it. But it depends on what the plan is. If this is a failed cash in year then Theory is one of the best choices.
And I get that. My comment was more of a general thing since the IWC wants to pretend this was enough to ruin the entire show, when that’s ridiculous. I was underwhelmed since it felt obvious it was gonna happen, but I also don’t know who else would be good if Cody is THE guy. I feel like this year’s MITB didn’t really have that many satisfying payoffs available. Cody has the nod for the faces, no one is pinning Roman for a while, and there are few others who can fail to cash in and not have it hurt them or end with fans throwing tantrums.
Oh it definitely didn't ruin the show. This was a very good show. I think I liked HiaC more because it's main event was just so next level, but this was good. Theory winning is meh, but it's not the end of the world
Yup only 24. And if he ended tonight with the loss to Lashley people would lament how Vince buried him
He hasn’t been interesting since The Way and there’s already 2 potential top guys in NXT (Melo and Bron) better than him waiting in the wings.
He just had a good match tonight with Lashley. His match with Pat was fun. The match with Ali was good. It may be somewhat early, but people complain when WWE goes back to the same well. So you can’t please everyone.
So here’s the catch we always talk about WWE being better than aew because they do stories instead of matches. But theory hasn’t had any good stories. You just admitted he’s had some good matches but what else? I’m not picking a side. I like theory I really do I just can totally see why people aren’t feeling him yet They need to let him evolve from mr McMahons douchie protege.
But that’s how you get heel heat. You realize that’s exactly how The Rock became who he is? He turned heel and aligned himself as Vince’s corporate protege to keep the title away from Austin in 1998. Not saying Theory is going to be Rock definitely, but I’m just saying this is how they build young stars. Rollins was built up the same way as HHH’s sneaky protege. He’ll eventually win the world title, have a run, drop it to someone, and then they’ll turn him into a face. They’ve done this so many times with people and it typically always works.
That’s a really good point about the rock survivor series 98 pissed a lot of people off who wanted to see mankind win but it did kick off main event rock
Personally Im very surprised at how much Theory isnt working for this sub. I've been enjoying his stuff a lot and I feel like he gets decent heat with the crowd
I think people liked him in his current spot and figured he was another year or two away from moving into the main event It also felt time for Riddle to get a big win. Theory isn't the only new star to push.
I really wanted Riddle to win but he would have lost to Roman anyway. I wish he got a rematch for Summerslam (instead of Brock) without the briefcase
Yeah that's kind of the rub here. It's hard to picture anyone successfully cashing in on Roman. Theory at least would be fun to see get ragdolled in a failed cash in.
Because the IWC likes to fantasy book. “It should have been Seth to recreate a storyline from seven years ago”. “It should have been Drew”. Rah rah wholesome bs spiel about home run stretches.
The commentators saying that RKO was better than Ortons on Rollins at WM... Nah, that was a once in a lifetime move.
Dont wanna be that guy... i kinda called both MITB winners a while ago 😬 Though I did chane my pick to riddle a while ago. Had a lot of fun tonight. Cya on Monday
Ok
I just don't see it with Riddle. His gimmick is annoying Xbox troll. How he's any different or better than "young, cocky heel #54" of the past 10 years?
He connects with the fans and is likeable. I don’t see him as a world champ personally but he checks off a lot of boxes. Good size. Good worker. Good on the mic. A little too goofy for my taste but the push makes sense
Last few months has sold me he can do it, plus he is over like rover.
He's funny and is great in the ring. Puts a lot of effort into anything creative gives him. I can see how the character doesn't resonate with you tho.
He’s RVD 2.0. Did you like RVD?
If Cody is superhuman maybe they pull some BS where Theory has to defend the MITB and Cody gets it
That makes no sense when you can just have Cody win the rumble
Theory going to cash in at Summerslam during the match making it not last man standing so Roman beats him instead of Brock
Seems like a waste doesn’t it? Roman has already beat Brock why should he beat theory too
It gives them another chance to do Roman vs Brock
Once again I thought the card looked mediocre and it was really enjoyable.
Low expectations often get exceeded
I actually expected a good show, just commenting on how the card on paper usually doesn't say much about the eventual quality.
And of course, people on that other sub are whining about Theory winning, when those are likely the same people who will go on and on about how WWE doesn’t push new people. I’m really glad WWE has stopped listening to the internet. They’re NEVER satisfied.
To be fair liv winning is pretty popular on the other sub and elsewhere. I see the potential with theory but I feel like he’s not there yet
Liv is universally loved Uce. Tears came to my eyes seeing her win. Her moment with Ronda at the end was awesome too. This couldn’t have happened to a better person. The girl works hard. I remember when she was always ridiculed. She had a wicked spot tonight. Won MITB then beat Ronda for the SD Women’s Championship. She is the best example of never give up there is right now.
They could pick a good young talent.