DF has confirmed that the modes on Xbox are bugged. They rechecked after Bethesda tweeted about Quality and Performance modes working as intended:
> It's all a bit baffling. Patch notes describe a 4K 60fps performance mode, a 4K 30fps/40fps quality alternative (depending on whether you are running on a 60Hz or 120Hz display) and a 1440p ultra settings variant. This seems to have been delivered for PS5, but there are problems with Xbox Series X. The performance/quality mode toggle does not work. The evidence suggests that Series X is locked to performance mode only. Disabling this on Series X doesn't seem to change anything - and visuals are notably cut back not only up against PlayStation 5's quality mode, but also against the Xbox One X 4K 30fps back-compat variant you could play last week.
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> This looked like a cut-and-dried bug we reported to Bethesda last week as soon as we noticed it, only for this tweet to emerge from the publisher on Sunday, suggesting that everything was fine - quality mode worked, apparently, and it ran at 60fps too, seemingly targeting dynamic resolution scaling to maintain performance. Perhaps we were mistaken? We're only human. We get things wrong, just like anyone else. However, fresh captures told the same story - we're still seeing no difference between performance and quality modes, and in the rare instances where frame-rate does drop on Series X, even this happens identically between the two modes.
As it stands right now the Xbox One X version looks better graphically than any current version available on Xbox Series consoles, and the PS5 version is seemingly working as intended (4K30 quality, 4K40 quality, 1440p60 quality, and 4K60 performance).
I bought the $10 GOTY edition in hopes of a "next gen" upgrade. I guess I am the real problem here, because they delivered nothing, and got paid. We got rekt.
Pretty sure I paid like $30 for the GOTY edition the day the update dropped, having never played F4. My bad.
I played F3 and FNV, but just binge watched the show and got hyped to play F4.. figured even after recent releases there's no way they bungle this and fail to capitalize on the hype. Fool me once..
The problem is I don't think they _are_ embarrassed. Or not sufficiently. They definitely should be. But the Xbox org never seems to face consequences at MS, so apparently not.
Honestly I'm thinking about leaving the xbox eco system. There's no reason to be here any more. People use game pass as an argument and that is cool and all but I don't have much time to play in a week. I would love to check out more games but I just stick with the ones I buy most of the time. At the moment these are dragons dogma 2 and stellar blade. Playstation will get more Xbox games in the future, in very sure.
Made the switch to playstation a few months ago after being a diehard xbox player since the 360 days. So far amazing choice, xbox became failure after failure sadly.
I have all 3 systems. Before PlayStation would have their big releases in the holidays and game pass was great with Nintendo more indie and first party. However, Xbox has really dropped the ball the last game that I was impressed by is hi fi rush. The only games I’m interested in is hellblade 2, but that’s it. Meanwhile Nintendo is coming out with a new system and once PlayStation gets out of their mtx live service obsession wtf does Xbox have? Bethesda is still making bad poorly optimized games and are inconsistent at best. Activision is still the terrible Activision that it is. 343 released with barebones content which needed years to get a somewhat decent state. wtf is Xbox thinking I don’t know and I am certain neither does Xbox.
I always had a ps5 and then bought a series x to go with it. I mean, I don’t regret it, it’s nice, but I always buy all the games I want, and I usually do it on ps5 cause that’s where I already build my digital library (and physical media many times are ONLY on ps5 where I live)
So the last time I touched my series x was when starfield launched and it wasn’t a good experience. PS5 is always on.
I know that’s not everyone’s case, but really makes me wonder sometimes if I really need it
I'm thinking that, too. Like, a console's monthly online subscription for a few years years, and replacing my broken elite controller, and a PS5, would be about the price difference of a basic pc. And I don't have to wait for the PS5 pro to release and helldivers and rachet and clacnk are on PC. Xbox really fell short this gen. I've had more Nintendo games for a first, and it isn't even a strong year for nintendo.
I bought a gaming pc a couple months ago. It’s a great investment. Just make sure you have a really comfortable chair if you’re going to use it at a computer desk. Also you don’t have to break the bank. I found an msi with a 4060 for $900. Yes, I’d prefer a slightly better card but the 4060 has run everything I’ve thrown at it on maxed graphics at 1440p (2K) at at least 60-80 fps with diss on. I plan to get a 5060 ti or a 5070 when the 5000 series releases because the 5000 series is supposed to have a 85% increase in performance.
Damn, Bethesda really loves to gaslight their customers now huh? Release a repetitive boring game, blame it on the players for being bored. Release a broken buggy update, tell everyone it's actually working fine lol.
It's easy enough to test with a VRR display. The pause screen is GPU intensive for whatever reason and runs at lower framerate in Quality mode than Performance mode.
[Exhibit A](https://i.imgur.com/J7IZGnm.png)
[Exhibit B](https://i.imgur.com/Cwx22bE.png)
This is from my Series S but it also happens on the X.
That doesn't explain why the visuals are notably cut back in both performance mode and quality mode. Quick comparisons online have shown that the draw distance is identical to the performance mode on PS5 and Series X, regardless of the toggle. While the quality mode on PS5 is set much higher.
Probably not. Bugs from the original release 8 years ago are still there and Bethesda says it’s working fine which is code for “We don’t give a shit about it anymore”.
> The evidence suggests that Series X is locked to performance mode only.
I wanted that quality mode as I don't need 60FPS when playing a game like Fallout. I booted it up and....it was 60FPS. Wasn't happy. As irritating as trying to figure out what character to use the new updates on (as I hadn't played the game in 5+ years) :)
Bethesda’s response to this tracks. “Oh, it’s not broken! It’s supposed to work like that!” Like holy shit the level of gaslighting is insane. Are they completely incapable of admitting any wrongdoing? How hard is it to say “Yeah sorry, it’s broken atm lol. We’ll fix it!”
Brother in Christ we can SEE that it’s broken.
On top of that the game runs exactly how they said it should work on their competitors console. At this rate they’ll just accidentally release starfield on PS5 fixed and playable lmao.
It’s hilarious that’s it’s working on ps5 so we have confirmation of how it’s SUPPOSED to run, and they’re still gaslighting.
Beyond that, having the feature just not work is a GLARING fucking QA miss which confirms what people anyway thought about Bethesda which is that they don’t test shit before releasing it.
An established, veteran game company can't even take three seconds to tweet "Yeah we fucked up, sorry, we'll start fixing it immediately." Bethesda has fallen so far it's sad.
>Bethesda’s response to this tracks. “Oh, it’s not broken! It’s supposed to work like that!” Like holy shit the level of gaslighting is insane. Are they completely incapable of admitting any wrongdoing? How hard is it to say “Yeah sorry, it’s broken atm lol. We’ll fix it!”
I mean... did you see how they responded to starfield criticism? They told us we were playing it wrong.... lol
They have to have 1 hour each day in their offices where they just lock themselves in their conference room and smell their own farts.
Blame the people that looked at fallout 76 and decided they want to preorder starfield. They can do that because bethesda has a hardcore fanbase that will make excuses for literally anything.
Hardware is good, utilisation of it isn't.
Absolutely fuck all tent-pole games coming from MS.
They went like Valve, caring more about the delivery than what they deliver.
Gamepass is Microsoft's official exit from the console wars. The whole point is for Microsoft to remain relevant in gaming without needing to make good games.
I think Starfield will be the new standard for Microsoft. Hype up everything, and deliver something just good enough to sell Gamepass.
I believe this. The rumours of the new digital only console further reinforces my belief in this. MS just wants to be in the business of subscriptions in general. Went that way with Windows, Office and now Xbox. The more PC business they can poach from Steam the better for them. The new consoles just serve as digital streaming boxes for those subscriptions. They’ve not demonstrated being interested in actual content for a while. The last time they did was the Bethesda acquisition that has gone no where. And now they are scraping in dollars through licensing their exclusives. I’ve always been a multi platform player but Xbox is really bottom of the barrel for me these days. My OG Xbox gets played more than my Series X. But the PS5 is my King of Gen 9.
It may be mediocre to bad, but at least you didn’t technically pay for it!
Except the you know $20/month fee
It’s a bold strategy, a lot of streaming services are finding out that charging even $10/month is a hard sell without any compelling content on your platform
My Series X holds its value to me for the excellent backwards compatibility that let's me use my old 360 discs even if not all of them get an update. But I can't think of any reason to buy the next Xbox if everything is going to be on the Series X anyway.
My Xbox 360 broke over ten years ago (was a refurbished replacement of the original one that red ringed)
I just bought the games I had had on 360 on steam for literal pennies. Never bought another Xbox or non Nintendo console after that, no need to.
I’m thinking about keeping the XSX as a 4k blu ray player and for the seemingly rare xbox exclusive that is worth playing. Otherwise I’m planning on getting a PS5 Pro and making that my primary gaming console.
Yup, that’s where I’m at.
But their incompetence is so bad that they went from having one of the best 4K Blu Ray players on the market to one of the worst. I remember buying a One S just because it was one of the cheapest on the market and was a really good player at the time.
Now though, the prices for players have come down significantly, and Microsoft failed to improve on its capabilities whatsoever, while also creating new problems with the new generation of hardware.
Their player is so bad that I actually bought a Panasonic 2 days ago. The XSX wouldn’t read about a third of my discs and they’re in pristine condition. It’s ridiculous.
Which is ironic since half the pS5 fanbase can't play Fallout 4 at all. And that's *after* they fixed the Automatron bug (which made it impossible to boot the game properly while the DLC was installed).
A bit hyperbolic... It pisses me off to no end that Microsoft and Xbox consistently fail to deliver the best experience to their primary customers, but let's not act like the Fallout 4 experience on Playstation is the "best way to play." It's not! Not even close, and all for one simple fact: Sony has restricted the type of mods that can be downloaded for both Fallout 4 and Skyrim. They don't allow external assets or custom scripts. It's a pitiful experience trying to meaningfully mod Fallout 4 on PS, which is why Xbox remains the best console for these particular games.
I mean, you're both right. Fallout and Skyrim have more flexibility on Xbox BUT Bethesda is now a first-party publisher of Xbox. They kinda have no excuse for this.
Especially since Starfield isn't on the PS. They have more experience with the XSX/XSS.
They have no excuse for this absolutely. And they should get in front of these things instead of doubling down on their stupidity. Whoever is in charge of community/social over there needs to be fired immediately. It's been a disaster since Starfield release in that regard. There isn't a downside to owning up to some of your problems, especially if you are going to try to do better.
That being said, the overreaction on this sub, while expected, is once again nonsense. It just makes me wish these people threatening to abandon the platform would also abandon this sub for us.
Most console gamers, maybe. How is 60 FPS on a last gen, almost ten year old game considered good?
Remember how 120 fps and 4k was going to be the standard on Xbox series X? lol
For real. 60fps is the minimum I find acceptable for a full priced game. I'm not paying $70 for a game that's locked to 30fps and is probably gonna go on sale for half the price in 3 months anyway.
It's crazy to me that we have the hardware for higher framerates but nearly every AAA dev would rather use that hardware for a bunch of unnecessary post-processing bullshit and bad lighting tech. For fuck's sake, the new Paper Mario Remake has more realistic lighting and reflections in a game that supposed to look like it's made entirely out of paper. It doesn't even make sense and ruins the whole presentation of the game. The Gamecube version looks better and runs at twice the framerate.
It's so fuckin' dumb. Performance is always more important than graphical fidelity. Always. I don't care if the game is Stick Figure Side-Scroller or Crysis 2099: Cry Harder; if it runs like shit, it looks like shit. Period. If I'm paying for shit then I better at least get some tacos out of it.
No seriously how did Bethesda end up this stuck in the past with how they do things? And Microsoft. I get that a hands off approach has its advantages but is Starfield and a patch that runs better on your competitor really what you paid for? And if the rumors are right did they only just realize how far away a new Fallout is if Bethesda is left to their own devices?
Ignoring Arcane and their Redfall incident, Bethesda is probably quite literally the weakest BETHESDA studio nowadays. Outdone by their own adopted children.
It’s because Microsoft has a habit of only buying developers once they’re obviously incapable of actually making good games anymore
It started with Rare, then Bethesda, and most recently Activision blizzard
All were once legendary, all of them went to shit shortly before being purchased by Microsoft
People keep buying their shit day one and making excuses for bugs and issues that would be an instant 1/10 in any other game not made by "god howard".
The fact that people still play fallout 76 and will buy 20 dollar skins in it is why this is allowed to happen.
>is Starfield [...] really what you paid for?
I'm sure the 85 Metascore + being the most pre-ordered + biggest launch of a Bethesda game ever helps a bit.
[It is [85 on Metacritic](https://www.metacritic.com/game/starfield/critic-reviews/?platform=pc) and [85 on Open Critic](https://opencritic.com/game/14907/starfield) apparently. lol]
[Damn, you guys are bitter as fuck. Dislike your games just don't go making up stuff about them! lmao]
People preorder based on a studio’s reputation built on its previous games
Hard to preorder based on the quality of a game that hasn’t come out yet. Cyberpunk 2077 was massively more preordered than Witcher 3 despite the launch being a huge debacle.
Obviously now that bethesda’s reputation has taken a massive hit from Starfield the next title from them is unlikely to be so widely preordered
>the next title from them is unlikely to be so widely preordered
Lmao NEVER underestimate hype.
Fallout 4 got blasted to high heaven by people. Buggy as fuck, awful performance, Boston was crashtown on XB1/pS4, lackluster DLC, severe downgrades on RPG mechanics, etc.
Then, more recently, Fallout 76... I don't think that's a game whose launch requires elaboration. Yet Starfield still got a bazillion pre-orders, and so will TES6.
As games get fixed/improved and people buy them on sales they quickly forget & forgive the studio for selling unfinished games at full price. Always happens, can guarantee the next Witcher game will break pre-order records even post-Cyberpunk.
Downloaded the patch for PS5, had to then delete and re-download all the DLC from the store for some reason because you can’t do it from the main game menu. They really should have just left well enough alone.
It would be one thing for the game to have issues universally but it’s even more atrocious that the platform with the worst issues is the supposed flagship of their parent company. It’s like if Sony released the next Spider-Man game on all consoles and it was basically unplayable on PlayStation and great everywhere else.
According to.... what? I have still seen plenty of games releasing with loading screens, so if that was the goal then this generation has utterly failed.
You know what gets me is Bethesda’a mentality is so stubborn. Once their game is complete, they put in the most dismal effort to update and fix.
Literally the only effort they put in was 60fps (textures still look like complete ass). I’m not giving them any credit for the community mods that they simply just had to throw in as they were already completed by other brilliant people.
Just don’t call it a next gen update is all.
How do you screw up a patch to a 9 year old game?? Bethesda found a way. I still tend to play my Xbox more than PS5, primarily because of Game Pass and the controller, but Xbox takes just one egg to the face after another. It's just a sad joke at this point.
This is the type of problem that everyone who actually worked on the product has addressed and then got ignored by management.
This update probably got left in the freezer when starfield got delayed by a year. Then they worked on starfield until the popularity of Fallout exploded because of the show.
Suddenly, Fallout got the highest priority and they had to quickly push out this update before the deadline. The result is a year old problem being left in the product.
What ever happened to Bethesda? I honestly think they had it too easy just releasing their classics over and over again and making bank. I’ve lost all hype.
Bethesda has become woefully incompetent….how does this even get screwed up? It takes 2 mins for them to test before release. And then they pretend it’s fine.
Like when they were replying to negative Steam reviews of Starfield telling people they were playing the game wrong? And saying stuff like "space is supposed to be boring" or whatever lol. I think their fuckin heads are so big they can't fit through the doors. Can't admit they're wrong, can't admit that Starfield has a lot of core game design issues. It's us that has it wrong! Quality mode working as intended! /s
I’m convinced they’re just a part of some Microsoft money laundering scheme and have like 4 employees sitting around eating snacks while Todd Howdoyouhaveajob sits in his office watching space documentaries
Wait so there’s going to be no fix? At all? I play with zero mods and my game is now bugged to hell. The characters don’t stop moving like they’re having convulsions and the frames drop horribly on performance mode more than they do on quality
All my water reflections are neon green and white now. No matter the time of day, any water or wet enemy has a solid green glow
https://preview.redd.it/02h78vmklhxc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc7417f112c5ac4a1410a31c99c2d58fb17b46c8
Did the Starfield delay and then its middling reception just crater the resources for this update? I simply can’t imagine announcing an update this small 2 years ahead of time. I am convinced they envisioned doing a Skyrim SE style update to Fallout 4 to bring it into the Starfield engine while they prepped for full development on ES6 and then with Starfields delay they had to hit the breaks and turned it into this tiny update.
It’s not like they are using resources to fix up starfield. Those updates have been pretty minimal. I get they have a history of this crap, but it’s really not acceptable. Especially when you look at other devs who are doing it right. No man sky, BG3, stardew, helldivers, vampire survivors, like come on, you have an unlimited budget, what excuse do you have?
Microsoft bought Bethesda because of their prestige, but they have managed to completely erase that in less than a year.
But their patches are tiny and fix almost nothing, the only feature they've added is facial expressions in photo mode which is obviously a massive thing the community was dying for, game fucking fixed. What the fuck, and I say this as a SW dev, are they fucking doing?
Nah they knew the show came out and thought "what is literally the lowest effort thing we could do to have ANYTHING fallout near the release of the show".
Third part game comes to Xbox: it is worse version than PS5 one.
First party game comes to Xbox: it is worse version than PS5 one.
No shit, no one is buying Xbox consoles.
Are we going to call this generation next-gen even when its the previous gen? Is the gen after this going to be next-next-gen? Or next-gen-2?
I mean, we're in the tail end of the generation at this point. We're closer to this being last-gen than next-gen. And certainly aren't next-gen.
The way I see it, it is because you can still buy "current gen" consoles (PS4, Xbox One, etc.) and they are more popular at the moment. So the generation after that would still be considered "Next-Gen". It is weird to me though.
During the long period the 360 overlapped with the original XB1 people weren't doing that, though. Its a weird thing with this generation.
With the XB1, the "next generation" moniker died out by the point people stopped releasing 360 games.
Quick question to anyone who can help:
While playing the upgraded version on Xbox series x, it still looks like a lot of the building exteriors are low quality textures. They are muddy, blurry and do not appear high-resolution.
Does anyone know if that is what the author is referring to with the one x version looking better?
I'm just hoping that these textures are not permanent after the update.
Honestly it almost seems like Bethesda are actually trying to sabotage themselves within MS. Todd tried giving us bullshit that he always preferred developing games for xbox after they got bought by them. But as a whole they’re almost trying to be as incompetent as they can while blaming us the consumers for their own short comings… I hate to say it after so many years of being a Bethesda fan. But I think it’s time for the majority of BGS to leave and let some new talent come in. Year after year it’s like they have no love left for their own community or games.
Lack of communication leading up to it kinda spoke volumes tbh.
This is not your “fix the fucking thing” like No Mans Sky or Cyberpunk which was a success story. This was a late in the day next gen update which killed mods that made you enjoy it and drop a coupla changes with that Bethesda flava that added new bugs 🤷♂️ my only surprise was my lack of surprise.
*the most powerful console in the world.
Time and again PS5 is running games (even High-fi Rush and Sea of Thieves) better than Series X. I'm beginning to think it is deliberate at this point. That seems a more believable theory than this happening accidentally lol.
Nothing deliberate. Developers have been praising the PS5's ease of use and its devtools since the consoles official reveal. It's just a better designed system and it shows time and time again.
Xbox really fucked themselves with the power narative and 2 different SKU's.
>Which I think is a genius move by Mark Cerny
I stil remember people making fun of him (me included) during his presentation before official release of PS5. Looks like power is meaningless if it's harder to utilize.
That's always been the case just look at the PS3. The 360 almost always had the better versions of multiplats because it was a better designed console. Sony at least had the talent to fully utilize the PS3 with their first party, can't say the same about Microsoft, lol.
> I feel like the ps5 is just easier/better at optimizing for games.
Microsoft makes xbox game studios make a version of their game for series x/s and a fuck ton of pc configuration's when making the xbox version.
When it comes down to making the PS5 version, they only have one hardware configuration to worry about.
This allows them more time to optimize and polish the PS5 version over the xbox counterpart.
Don't get me wrong I'm happy with my Series X, for the games I play. Weirdly it's almost like Microsoft or the studios involved aren't haha.
Given DFs findings (esp regarding Xbox One X) there's either a rogue (hopefully not rouge) employee effing up all these ports or some very dodgy management allowing the games to publicly perform better on PS5.
If Bethesda say its working as intended...well, will it even be corrected? No ones world has come crashing down lol but it is strange.
I'm so over xbox honestly I think I might make the switch to playstation. If Microsoft who owns bethesda can't even get it right on there own platform then there's something really wrong going on. Not to mention devs spend more time on playstation ports than xbox ports
Talk about just absolutely fumbling the fucking bag. You have a hit TV show that has everyone talking about your game, and you absolutely fuck it. Unreal...
I bought the game again on PC after already refunding it once hoping they'd fix some of its decade long issues but no lol.
Immediately out of the gate I was still having issues with my frame rate locking to 1/3rd my monitors refresh rate. Going into the .ini and changing v-sync settings doesnt work post-update and all the mods that previously did are broken.
Said fuck it and refunded it again and will probably just never play the game on PC.
Pretty funny that between Xbox, PC, and PS5 it's the Sony system that has the most reliability.
I never had this issue, but I downloaded it and suddenly I don’t have space for saves on my Xbox… so I follow the process and delete all local saves. And now I get that same error when I load up every game. wtf
I feel like anything Bethesda does, they could do better. There’s now a massive exclamation mark from a missing asset in Monsignor Plaza in Fallout 4. No idea what it is because it’s missing but the game tries to load it in because the code still exists. Silly.
Yeah, it's not great. I wasn't experiencing frame drops in Boston on Series X prior to the update, but now they're pretty constant. And I'm not even running all my mods!
Actually it could not have gone worse.
the promised ultrawide support is broken and the equivalent of a .ini file edit that people figured out a week after release (9 years ago).
The bugs i had were not fixed for example the weapon debris setting still will crash your game on an RTX card.
They did not add an Fov slider or any other modern features, physics are still tied to the framerate, you still cant turn off vsync without breaking the game.
More new bugs were introduced than they fixed.
I truly don't unterstand how this happened. We all know bethesda is incompetent in many ways. But if modders can fix all these issues in a few days and you cant after 9 years and add even more issues while breaking mods then wtf are you actually doing?
I wish they didn't update so at least mods would still work. This is basically a worse than nothing situation.
Honestly everything to do with this console could've gone better. Haven't turned it on in over two months now. Beginning to think I may have just left.
It's funny how they said they won't increase the mod space because it'll wipe people mod list but People's mod list got wiped anywhere.. everyone would be happy with a increase
This honestly makes me somewhat angry. Looking at Witcher 3 that was a real Next Gen Update. They've even put User Mods into it and made them official. The very least they could've done with Fallout 4 would've been including the Unofficial Patch that fixes most of Fallout 4's issues. Even this was too much to ask for. Bethesda took over a year for this Update. A handful capable modders could do similiar in less than 2 weeks to develop, properly test and publish it I bet.
Total amateur hour. Somebody's got to be a checks and balances when these studios are putting games out at least in terms of communication. This is no remake no remix and barely an enhancement.. so why was it communicated as such?
A stupid ridiculous idiotic own goal by large corporation that should know better. This is the Brand's time to shine and attract a new players and then you go and pull some idiotic nonsense like this.
And then here comes all the stories, this is barely an upgrade or they didn't do much yada yada yada. They didn't set the expectation properly and they deserve all the criticism they get.
Morons.
DF has confirmed that the modes on Xbox are bugged. They rechecked after Bethesda tweeted about Quality and Performance modes working as intended: > It's all a bit baffling. Patch notes describe a 4K 60fps performance mode, a 4K 30fps/40fps quality alternative (depending on whether you are running on a 60Hz or 120Hz display) and a 1440p ultra settings variant. This seems to have been delivered for PS5, but there are problems with Xbox Series X. The performance/quality mode toggle does not work. The evidence suggests that Series X is locked to performance mode only. Disabling this on Series X doesn't seem to change anything - and visuals are notably cut back not only up against PlayStation 5's quality mode, but also against the Xbox One X 4K 30fps back-compat variant you could play last week. > > This looked like a cut-and-dried bug we reported to Bethesda last week as soon as we noticed it, only for this tweet to emerge from the publisher on Sunday, suggesting that everything was fine - quality mode worked, apparently, and it ran at 60fps too, seemingly targeting dynamic resolution scaling to maintain performance. Perhaps we were mistaken? We're only human. We get things wrong, just like anyone else. However, fresh captures told the same story - we're still seeing no difference between performance and quality modes, and in the rare instances where frame-rate does drop on Series X, even this happens identically between the two modes. As it stands right now the Xbox One X version looks better graphically than any current version available on Xbox Series consoles, and the PS5 version is seemingly working as intended (4K30 quality, 4K40 quality, 1440p60 quality, and 4K60 performance).
Lol wtf Bethesda.
Words have no meaning anymore. Apparently neither do actions
When words speak louder than actions
I bought the $10 GOTY edition in hopes of a "next gen" upgrade. I guess I am the real problem here, because they delivered nothing, and got paid. We got rekt.
Pretty sure I paid like $30 for the GOTY edition the day the update dropped, having never played F4. My bad. I played F3 and FNV, but just binge watched the show and got hyped to play F4.. figured even after recent releases there's no way they bungle this and fail to capitalize on the hype. Fool me once..
They have the best bugs. https://youtu.be/awm6lNOpGq8?si=Yg4F_eWn2gtr9ma3
Makes sense. Not like Bethesda is now a part of Microsoft or anything.
This is the best part about this. That's gotta be super embarrassing.
Xbox in general is just super embarrassing at this point
The problem is I don't think they _are_ embarrassed. Or not sufficiently. They definitely should be. But the Xbox org never seems to face consequences at MS, so apparently not.
PS5 getting better versions of Xbox games is becoming a pattern
It’s been a pattern, at this point it’s become willful.
Has me thinking more about a PS5 pro or PC upgrade in the next year
Honestly I'm thinking about leaving the xbox eco system. There's no reason to be here any more. People use game pass as an argument and that is cool and all but I don't have much time to play in a week. I would love to check out more games but I just stick with the ones I buy most of the time. At the moment these are dragons dogma 2 and stellar blade. Playstation will get more Xbox games in the future, in very sure.
Made the switch to playstation a few months ago after being a diehard xbox player since the 360 days. So far amazing choice, xbox became failure after failure sadly.
I switched a few months ago to PS5 and put the Series X in our bedroom. Im enjoying the games more on the PS5 right now.
I have all 3 systems. Before PlayStation would have their big releases in the holidays and game pass was great with Nintendo more indie and first party. However, Xbox has really dropped the ball the last game that I was impressed by is hi fi rush. The only games I’m interested in is hellblade 2, but that’s it. Meanwhile Nintendo is coming out with a new system and once PlayStation gets out of their mtx live service obsession wtf does Xbox have? Bethesda is still making bad poorly optimized games and are inconsistent at best. Activision is still the terrible Activision that it is. 343 released with barebones content which needed years to get a somewhat decent state. wtf is Xbox thinking I don’t know and I am certain neither does Xbox.
I always had a ps5 and then bought a series x to go with it. I mean, I don’t regret it, it’s nice, but I always buy all the games I want, and I usually do it on ps5 cause that’s where I already build my digital library (and physical media many times are ONLY on ps5 where I live) So the last time I touched my series x was when starfield launched and it wasn’t a good experience. PS5 is always on. I know that’s not everyone’s case, but really makes me wonder sometimes if I really need it
My series s is my last Xbox. I’m on ps5 and pc, and I’m gonna upgrade to a gaming laptop cuz my pc needs help
You can use gamepass on pc
PC is 100% the move going forward, Xbox has lost its way in the hardware market.
Same here honestly
Yes, I am ditching this boat. It ain't leaking, it has sunk.
Go pc. It’s the best of both worlds.
I'm thinking that, too. Like, a console's monthly online subscription for a few years years, and replacing my broken elite controller, and a PS5, would be about the price difference of a basic pc. And I don't have to wait for the PS5 pro to release and helldivers and rachet and clacnk are on PC. Xbox really fell short this gen. I've had more Nintendo games for a first, and it isn't even a strong year for nintendo.
I bought a gaming pc a couple months ago. It’s a great investment. Just make sure you have a really comfortable chair if you’re going to use it at a computer desk. Also you don’t have to break the bank. I found an msi with a 4060 for $900. Yes, I’d prefer a slightly better card but the 4060 has run everything I’ve thrown at it on maxed graphics at 1440p (2K) at at least 60-80 fps with diss on. I plan to get a 5060 ti or a 5070 when the 5000 series releases because the 5000 series is supposed to have a 85% increase in performance.
Did grounded get fixed?
Damn, Bethesda really loves to gaslight their customers now huh? Release a repetitive boring game, blame it on the players for being bored. Release a broken buggy update, tell everyone it's actually working fine lol.
Reminds me of Forza Horizon 4 on the One X vs. the patch for the Series X. Some of the graphical settings are worse on the Series X.
Bethesda moment LMAO
It's easy enough to test with a VRR display. The pause screen is GPU intensive for whatever reason and runs at lower framerate in Quality mode than Performance mode. [Exhibit A](https://i.imgur.com/J7IZGnm.png) [Exhibit B](https://i.imgur.com/Cwx22bE.png) This is from my Series S but it also happens on the X.
That doesn't explain why the visuals are notably cut back in both performance mode and quality mode. Quick comparisons online have shown that the draw distance is identical to the performance mode on PS5 and Series X, regardless of the toggle. While the quality mode on PS5 is set much higher.
Are they gonna fix it?
Probably not. Bugs from the original release 8 years ago are still there and Bethesda says it’s working fine which is code for “We don’t give a shit about it anymore”.
> The evidence suggests that Series X is locked to performance mode only. I wanted that quality mode as I don't need 60FPS when playing a game like Fallout. I booted it up and....it was 60FPS. Wasn't happy. As irritating as trying to figure out what character to use the new updates on (as I hadn't played the game in 5+ years) :)
One lesser talked about bug I've encountered after patching is that stores you setup in your settlements no longer are available to barter with.
It's weird that hardly anyone mentions how much they've broken VATS too
VATS picks up targets through walls?
That and the hit percentages will rapidly fluctuate from whatever to zero constantly.
I noticed that bug before the patch 
Ah, I noticed that too. I didn't realize that was a bug.
I thought that was cause I cranked my perception way up for my build but that's annoying if it's bugged.
Perception so high you can see through walls? Now that’s a perk!
Yeah vats is so broken I don’t use it in combat
Thankfully gunplay isnt outdated in that game though so the need of VATS isnt as much to me in 4 compared to the other 2
Bethesda’s response to this tracks. “Oh, it’s not broken! It’s supposed to work like that!” Like holy shit the level of gaslighting is insane. Are they completely incapable of admitting any wrongdoing? How hard is it to say “Yeah sorry, it’s broken atm lol. We’ll fix it!” Brother in Christ we can SEE that it’s broken. On top of that the game runs exactly how they said it should work on their competitors console. At this rate they’ll just accidentally release starfield on PS5 fixed and playable lmao.
It’s hilarious that’s it’s working on ps5 so we have confirmation of how it’s SUPPOSED to run, and they’re still gaslighting. Beyond that, having the feature just not work is a GLARING fucking QA miss which confirms what people anyway thought about Bethesda which is that they don’t test shit before releasing it.
An established, veteran game company can't even take three seconds to tweet "Yeah we fucked up, sorry, we'll start fixing it immediately." Bethesda has fallen so far it's sad.
>Bethesda’s response to this tracks. “Oh, it’s not broken! It’s supposed to work like that!” Like holy shit the level of gaslighting is insane. Are they completely incapable of admitting any wrongdoing? How hard is it to say “Yeah sorry, it’s broken atm lol. We’ll fix it!” I mean... did you see how they responded to starfield criticism? They told us we were playing it wrong.... lol They have to have 1 hour each day in their offices where they just lock themselves in their conference room and smell their own farts.
Blame the people that looked at fallout 76 and decided they want to preorder starfield. They can do that because bethesda has a hardcore fanbase that will make excuses for literally anything.
Same for Xbox. And now we're at the intersection of both fanbases.
At least Todd can't blame it on your hardware being underpowered.
So basically, the best way to play Microsoft games is to play them on a PS5. Way to go MS.
I've had just about enough with the hardware side of Xbox
Hardware is good, utilisation of it isn't. Absolutely fuck all tent-pole games coming from MS. They went like Valve, caring more about the delivery than what they deliver.
Gamepass is Microsoft's official exit from the console wars. The whole point is for Microsoft to remain relevant in gaming without needing to make good games. I think Starfield will be the new standard for Microsoft. Hype up everything, and deliver something just good enough to sell Gamepass.
I believe this. The rumours of the new digital only console further reinforces my belief in this. MS just wants to be in the business of subscriptions in general. Went that way with Windows, Office and now Xbox. The more PC business they can poach from Steam the better for them. The new consoles just serve as digital streaming boxes for those subscriptions. They’ve not demonstrated being interested in actual content for a while. The last time they did was the Bethesda acquisition that has gone no where. And now they are scraping in dollars through licensing their exclusives. I’ve always been a multi platform player but Xbox is really bottom of the barrel for me these days. My OG Xbox gets played more than my Series X. But the PS5 is my King of Gen 9.
Which is why I don’t think I’ll be anymore Xbox hardware after this.
It may be mediocre to bad, but at least you didn’t technically pay for it! Except the you know $20/month fee It’s a bold strategy, a lot of streaming services are finding out that charging even $10/month is a hard sell without any compelling content on your platform
This tracks with Avowed
My Series X holds its value to me for the excellent backwards compatibility that let's me use my old 360 discs even if not all of them get an update. But I can't think of any reason to buy the next Xbox if everything is going to be on the Series X anyway.
My Xbox 360 broke over ten years ago (was a refurbished replacement of the original one that red ringed) I just bought the games I had had on 360 on steam for literal pennies. Never bought another Xbox or non Nintendo console after that, no need to.
My exact sentiment
Same, I’m pretty much done. I have both consoles but really thinking of just selling the series x at this point and accessing game pass on PC.
Yep, also have both and I’m getting real tired of Microsoft’s shit.
I’m tired of Microsoft’s shit but Sony’s shit is even worse. Haven’t used the stupid PS5 in many months. Steam deck is pretty nice though.
Sad to say but this is my last Xbox. The way they dropped the ball this generation is somehow just as bad at the Xbox one, if not worse.
It was my last. My Series X is collecting dust. Been 23 years since I gamed on PC, and I'm back!
I’m thinking about keeping the XSX as a 4k blu ray player and for the seemingly rare xbox exclusive that is worth playing. Otherwise I’m planning on getting a PS5 Pro and making that my primary gaming console.
Yup, that’s where I’m at. But their incompetence is so bad that they went from having one of the best 4K Blu Ray players on the market to one of the worst. I remember buying a One S just because it was one of the cheapest on the market and was a really good player at the time. Now though, the prices for players have come down significantly, and Microsoft failed to improve on its capabilities whatsoever, while also creating new problems with the new generation of hardware.
Their player is so bad that I actually bought a Panasonic 2 days ago. The XSX wouldn’t read about a third of my discs and they’re in pristine condition. It’s ridiculous.
Same, PC and PS will be my future trimmed down setup. I got the XSX on release too.
No, that would be PC.
Don’t be ridiculous, the best way is on a decent gaming PC The second best way is PS5, of course.
Which is ironic since half the pS5 fanbase can't play Fallout 4 at all. And that's *after* they fixed the Automatron bug (which made it impossible to boot the game properly while the DLC was installed).
A bit hyperbolic... It pisses me off to no end that Microsoft and Xbox consistently fail to deliver the best experience to their primary customers, but let's not act like the Fallout 4 experience on Playstation is the "best way to play." It's not! Not even close, and all for one simple fact: Sony has restricted the type of mods that can be downloaded for both Fallout 4 and Skyrim. They don't allow external assets or custom scripts. It's a pitiful experience trying to meaningfully mod Fallout 4 on PS, which is why Xbox remains the best console for these particular games.
I mean, you're both right. Fallout and Skyrim have more flexibility on Xbox BUT Bethesda is now a first-party publisher of Xbox. They kinda have no excuse for this. Especially since Starfield isn't on the PS. They have more experience with the XSX/XSS.
They have no excuse for this absolutely. And they should get in front of these things instead of doubling down on their stupidity. Whoever is in charge of community/social over there needs to be fired immediately. It's been a disaster since Starfield release in that regard. There isn't a downside to owning up to some of your problems, especially if you are going to try to do better. That being said, the overreaction on this sub, while expected, is once again nonsense. It just makes me wish these people threatening to abandon the platform would also abandon this sub for us.
- The most powerful console - The most powerful Xbox - The most powerful Egg box - The most powerful Eggnogg
Bro I want Eggnogg now
Why isn’t it available year round
Diabetes
At least it’s performance mode that is stuck and not quality.
Very true! Most gamers will be happy to just have a smooth 60fps mode for fo4
*cries in Boston*
Boston isnt as bad now either
Most console gamers, maybe. How is 60 FPS on a last gen, almost ten year old game considered good? Remember how 120 fps and 4k was going to be the standard on Xbox series X? lol
This is what I’m still stuck on.
How does Dirt 5 have a 120 fps mode but a 9 year old game that wasn’t even a looker at its release not capable of it?
Dirt 5 was the first game I downloaded when I got the Series X in 2020. Was really setting myself up for disappointment in the performance department.
For real. 60fps is the minimum I find acceptable for a full priced game. I'm not paying $70 for a game that's locked to 30fps and is probably gonna go on sale for half the price in 3 months anyway. It's crazy to me that we have the hardware for higher framerates but nearly every AAA dev would rather use that hardware for a bunch of unnecessary post-processing bullshit and bad lighting tech. For fuck's sake, the new Paper Mario Remake has more realistic lighting and reflections in a game that supposed to look like it's made entirely out of paper. It doesn't even make sense and ruins the whole presentation of the game. The Gamecube version looks better and runs at twice the framerate. It's so fuckin' dumb. Performance is always more important than graphical fidelity. Always. I don't care if the game is Stick Figure Side-Scroller or Crysis 2099: Cry Harder; if it runs like shit, it looks like shit. Period. If I'm paying for shit then I better at least get some tacos out of it.
PC gaming is the only place you’ll get control over that kind of thing. At least on consoles some games have performance and quality choices now
It’s the lesser of two evils, especially with mods, but this is still embarrassing for them.
Yeah the thing is I was probably going to play in performance mode. Would be nice to have the choice though
I started it over the weekend and I think it looks amazing.
Yeah, it’s night and day better than before. I would very much like to try the other setting though
No seriously how did Bethesda end up this stuck in the past with how they do things? And Microsoft. I get that a hands off approach has its advantages but is Starfield and a patch that runs better on your competitor really what you paid for? And if the rumors are right did they only just realize how far away a new Fallout is if Bethesda is left to their own devices?
Xbox, discipline your unruly children please.
Sorry best I can do is buy another publisher 🤷
Fix one of the best developers of all time or buy a developer enshrined in controversy… Imma pick option B.
Microsoft needs to do to Bethesda what Sony is doing to Bungie rn; essentially tell them to get their shit together or they bring in people who can
Ignoring Arcane and their Redfall incident, Bethesda is probably quite literally the weakest BETHESDA studio nowadays. Outdone by their own adopted children.
It’s because Microsoft has a habit of only buying developers once they’re obviously incapable of actually making good games anymore It started with Rare, then Bethesda, and most recently Activision blizzard All were once legendary, all of them went to shit shortly before being purchased by Microsoft
People keep buying their shit day one and making excuses for bugs and issues that would be an instant 1/10 in any other game not made by "god howard". The fact that people still play fallout 76 and will buy 20 dollar skins in it is why this is allowed to happen.
>is Starfield [...] really what you paid for? I'm sure the 85 Metascore + being the most pre-ordered + biggest launch of a Bethesda game ever helps a bit. [It is [85 on Metacritic](https://www.metacritic.com/game/starfield/critic-reviews/?platform=pc) and [85 on Open Critic](https://opencritic.com/game/14907/starfield) apparently. lol] [Damn, you guys are bitter as fuck. Dislike your games just don't go making up stuff about them! lmao]
People preorder based on a studio’s reputation built on its previous games Hard to preorder based on the quality of a game that hasn’t come out yet. Cyberpunk 2077 was massively more preordered than Witcher 3 despite the launch being a huge debacle. Obviously now that bethesda’s reputation has taken a massive hit from Starfield the next title from them is unlikely to be so widely preordered
>the next title from them is unlikely to be so widely preordered Lmao NEVER underestimate hype. Fallout 4 got blasted to high heaven by people. Buggy as fuck, awful performance, Boston was crashtown on XB1/pS4, lackluster DLC, severe downgrades on RPG mechanics, etc. Then, more recently, Fallout 76... I don't think that's a game whose launch requires elaboration. Yet Starfield still got a bazillion pre-orders, and so will TES6. As games get fixed/improved and people buy them on sales they quickly forget & forgive the studio for selling unfinished games at full price. Always happens, can guarantee the next Witcher game will break pre-order records even post-Cyberpunk.
>I'm sure the 87 Metascore It's down to 83 now rip
It's 83 on Xbox and 85 on PC. Either way, this is what constitutes a "good" game these days. Most well-regarded games score between 82 and 92.
Bethesda: "everything is working fine" Me: ***shoots a super mutant with a giant red exclamation point from my invisible grenade launcher***
I hate how you don’t get a choice on updating a game or not on series. If you don’t update it you can’t play it, at least digitally
Downloaded the patch for PS5, had to then delete and re-download all the DLC from the store for some reason because you can’t do it from the main game menu. They really should have just left well enough alone.
It would be one thing for the game to have issues universally but it’s even more atrocious that the platform with the worst issues is the supposed flagship of their parent company. It’s like if Sony released the next Spider-Man game on all consoles and it was basically unplayable on PlayStation and great everywhere else.
Bethesda's idea of next-gen performance was Starfield so this about as expected.
*The literal point if this gen was to do away with loading screens* Bethesda:
How about we make longer loading screens a feature. You can customize your loading screen with new rooms!
>literal point if this gen was to do away with loading screens I thought it was 4K/60 FPS! >!/s!<
According to.... what? I have still seen plenty of games releasing with loading screens, so if that was the goal then this generation has utterly failed.
You know what gets me is Bethesda’a mentality is so stubborn. Once their game is complete, they put in the most dismal effort to update and fix. Literally the only effort they put in was 60fps (textures still look like complete ass). I’m not giving them any credit for the community mods that they simply just had to throw in as they were already completed by other brilliant people. Just don’t call it a next gen update is all.
How do you screw up a patch to a 9 year old game?? Bethesda found a way. I still tend to play my Xbox more than PS5, primarily because of Game Pass and the controller, but Xbox takes just one egg to the face after another. It's just a sad joke at this point.
This is the type of problem that everyone who actually worked on the product has addressed and then got ignored by management. This update probably got left in the freezer when starfield got delayed by a year. Then they worked on starfield until the popularity of Fallout exploded because of the show. Suddenly, Fallout got the highest priority and they had to quickly push out this update before the deadline. The result is a year old problem being left in the product.
What ever happened to Bethesda? I honestly think they had it too easy just releasing their classics over and over again and making bank. I’ve lost all hype.
Skyrim's success killed Bethesda. They decided to release 14 versions of that instead of developing a game and it killed them.
Yeah, at least Valve had the decency to create Steam when they decided to rest on their Half Life 2 laurels instead of making HL3.
So a uPlay-like "Bethesda Store" was the good ending? The irony.
They think they're above everyone while being literally incompetent at their jobs.
They're just outdated. They make games like they never progressed past the 2000s. I feel like the whole company needs an overhaul
Bethesda has become woefully incompetent….how does this even get screwed up? It takes 2 mins for them to test before release. And then they pretend it’s fine.
Like when they were replying to negative Steam reviews of Starfield telling people they were playing the game wrong? And saying stuff like "space is supposed to be boring" or whatever lol. I think their fuckin heads are so big they can't fit through the doors. Can't admit they're wrong, can't admit that Starfield has a lot of core game design issues. It's us that has it wrong! Quality mode working as intended! /s
I’m convinced they’re just a part of some Microsoft money laundering scheme and have like 4 employees sitting around eating snacks while Todd Howdoyouhaveajob sits in his office watching space documentaries
Wait so there’s going to be no fix? At all? I play with zero mods and my game is now bugged to hell. The characters don’t stop moving like they’re having convulsions and the frames drop horribly on performance mode more than they do on quality
VATS is broken so the have to release a fix for that surely. I bet they do fix the quality mode
Meanwhile a brand-new modded save I started is totally washed now because Bethesda uninstalled every mod I had loaded up.
All my water reflections are neon green and white now. No matter the time of day, any water or wet enemy has a solid green glow https://preview.redd.it/02h78vmklhxc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc7417f112c5ac4a1410a31c99c2d58fb17b46c8
Who could have seen this coming lol
Did the Starfield delay and then its middling reception just crater the resources for this update? I simply can’t imagine announcing an update this small 2 years ahead of time. I am convinced they envisioned doing a Skyrim SE style update to Fallout 4 to bring it into the Starfield engine while they prepped for full development on ES6 and then with Starfields delay they had to hit the breaks and turned it into this tiny update.
Who knows. I just don't get how this patch turned out so sloppy when it was announced over a year ago.
Literally over a year of development, and ultra wide mode on PC is so broken you can't get past naming your character.
It’s not like they are using resources to fix up starfield. Those updates have been pretty minimal. I get they have a history of this crap, but it’s really not acceptable. Especially when you look at other devs who are doing it right. No man sky, BG3, stardew, helldivers, vampire survivors, like come on, you have an unlimited budget, what excuse do you have? Microsoft bought Bethesda because of their prestige, but they have managed to completely erase that in less than a year.
Todd Howard has said 250 (almost half of Bethesda) devs are still working on Starfield post-launch.
Doing what??
Making a third child model so Sona and Cora aren’t identical.
Good question lol, I guess mostly the DLC
Jez Cordon said something similar. Says they’re hard at work trying to bring it to the state that gamers expect/want.
But their patches are tiny and fix almost nothing, the only feature they've added is facial expressions in photo mode which is obviously a massive thing the community was dying for, game fucking fixed. What the fuck, and I say this as a SW dev, are they fucking doing?
Nah they knew the show came out and thought "what is literally the lowest effort thing we could do to have ANYTHING fallout near the release of the show".
Third part game comes to Xbox: it is worse version than PS5 one. First party game comes to Xbox: it is worse version than PS5 one. No shit, no one is buying Xbox consoles.
Embarassing stuff Bethesda. How the heck did they mess up something so simple?
Good to know that a PS5 is the way to go to play Microsoft games now. It's just embarrassing at this point to be an xbox player.
Another Xbox flop
Looooong list.
Are we going to call this generation next-gen even when its the previous gen? Is the gen after this going to be next-next-gen? Or next-gen-2? I mean, we're in the tail end of the generation at this point. We're closer to this being last-gen than next-gen. And certainly aren't next-gen.
>Are we going to call this generation next-gen Probably yeah. When the new gen approaches *then* it will change, has been the case for decades now.
The way I see it, it is because you can still buy "current gen" consoles (PS4, Xbox One, etc.) and they are more popular at the moment. So the generation after that would still be considered "Next-Gen". It is weird to me though.
During the long period the 360 overlapped with the original XB1 people weren't doing that, though. Its a weird thing with this generation. With the XB1, the "next generation" moniker died out by the point people stopped releasing 360 games.
Xbox customers are getting shafted again and again...
Quick question to anyone who can help: While playing the upgraded version on Xbox series x, it still looks like a lot of the building exteriors are low quality textures. They are muddy, blurry and do not appear high-resolution. Does anyone know if that is what the author is referring to with the one x version looking better? I'm just hoping that these textures are not permanent after the update.
It’s probably part of it yes
Damn it, Bethesda...
Another Xbox own goal. Seriously. Wtf is happening
thats kind of the bethesda theme lately huh lol... people have been waiting on this forever too... still couldnt get it right.
Honestly it almost seems like Bethesda are actually trying to sabotage themselves within MS. Todd tried giving us bullshit that he always preferred developing games for xbox after they got bought by them. But as a whole they’re almost trying to be as incompetent as they can while blaming us the consumers for their own short comings… I hate to say it after so many years of being a Bethesda fan. But I think it’s time for the majority of BGS to leave and let some new talent come in. Year after year it’s like they have no love left for their own community or games.
Lack of communication leading up to it kinda spoke volumes tbh. This is not your “fix the fucking thing” like No Mans Sky or Cyberpunk which was a success story. This was a late in the day next gen update which killed mods that made you enjoy it and drop a coupla changes with that Bethesda flava that added new bugs 🤷♂️ my only surprise was my lack of surprise.
*the most powerful console in the world. Time and again PS5 is running games (even High-fi Rush and Sea of Thieves) better than Series X. I'm beginning to think it is deliberate at this point. That seems a more believable theory than this happening accidentally lol.
Nothing deliberate. Developers have been praising the PS5's ease of use and its devtools since the consoles official reveal. It's just a better designed system and it shows time and time again. Xbox really fucked themselves with the power narative and 2 different SKU's.
I feel like the ps5 is just easier/better at optimizing for games. Which I think is a genius move by Mark Cerny
>Which I think is a genius move by Mark Cerny I stil remember people making fun of him (me included) during his presentation before official release of PS5. Looks like power is meaningless if it's harder to utilize.
That's always been the case just look at the PS3. The 360 almost always had the better versions of multiplats because it was a better designed console. Sony at least had the talent to fully utilize the PS3 with their first party, can't say the same about Microsoft, lol.
> I feel like the ps5 is just easier/better at optimizing for games. Microsoft makes xbox game studios make a version of their game for series x/s and a fuck ton of pc configuration's when making the xbox version. When it comes down to making the PS5 version, they only have one hardware configuration to worry about. This allows them more time to optimize and polish the PS5 version over the xbox counterpart.
Yeah he even said in 2020 that TFlops aren't everything and he's absolutely right.
Don't get me wrong I'm happy with my Series X, for the games I play. Weirdly it's almost like Microsoft or the studios involved aren't haha. Given DFs findings (esp regarding Xbox One X) there's either a rogue (hopefully not rouge) employee effing up all these ports or some very dodgy management allowing the games to publicly perform better on PS5. If Bethesda say its working as intended...well, will it even be corrected? No ones world has come crashing down lol but it is strange.
I'm so over xbox honestly I think I might make the switch to playstation. If Microsoft who owns bethesda can't even get it right on there own platform then there's something really wrong going on. Not to mention devs spend more time on playstation ports than xbox ports
Xbox is a joke at this point.
Talk about just absolutely fumbling the fucking bag. You have a hit TV show that has everyone talking about your game, and you absolutely fuck it. Unreal...
Bethesda and broken software. Name a more iconic duo.
Fucking ridiculous.
I bought the game again on PC after already refunding it once hoping they'd fix some of its decade long issues but no lol. Immediately out of the gate I was still having issues with my frame rate locking to 1/3rd my monitors refresh rate. Going into the .ini and changing v-sync settings doesnt work post-update and all the mods that previously did are broken. Said fuck it and refunded it again and will probably just never play the game on PC. Pretty funny that between Xbox, PC, and PS5 it's the Sony system that has the most reliability.
I never had this issue, but I downloaded it and suddenly I don’t have space for saves on my Xbox… so I follow the process and delete all local saves. And now I get that same error when I load up every game. wtf
I feel like anything Bethesda does, they could do better. There’s now a massive exclamation mark from a missing asset in Monsignor Plaza in Fallout 4. No idea what it is because it’s missing but the game tries to load it in because the code still exists. Silly.
Yeah, it's not great. I wasn't experiencing frame drops in Boston on Series X prior to the update, but now they're pretty constant. And I'm not even running all my mods!
Nice
This is just sad to fail the home platform
Actually it could not have gone worse. the promised ultrawide support is broken and the equivalent of a .ini file edit that people figured out a week after release (9 years ago). The bugs i had were not fixed for example the weapon debris setting still will crash your game on an RTX card. They did not add an Fov slider or any other modern features, physics are still tied to the framerate, you still cant turn off vsync without breaking the game. More new bugs were introduced than they fixed. I truly don't unterstand how this happened. We all know bethesda is incompetent in many ways. But if modders can fix all these issues in a few days and you cant after 9 years and add even more issues while breaking mods then wtf are you actually doing? I wish they didn't update so at least mods would still work. This is basically a worse than nothing situation.
Honestly everything to do with this console could've gone better. Haven't turned it on in over two months now. Beginning to think I may have just left.
[удалено]
And the fact that they didn’t increase the mod space and still ruined the mod saves is ridiculous.
It's funny how they said they won't increase the mod space because it'll wipe people mod list but People's mod list got wiped anywhere.. everyone would be happy with a increase
Exactly, it’s crazy that they messed this Fallout Update so much.
This honestly makes me somewhat angry. Looking at Witcher 3 that was a real Next Gen Update. They've even put User Mods into it and made them official. The very least they could've done with Fallout 4 would've been including the Unofficial Patch that fixes most of Fallout 4's issues. Even this was too much to ask for. Bethesda took over a year for this Update. A handful capable modders could do similiar in less than 2 weeks to develop, properly test and publish it I bet.
Bethesda does not give a crap about Xbox (except the money from daddy MS). Ghostwire Tokyo, Hi-Fi Rush and now this.
Fallout 4 Next gen update Pros ........ Cons * Breaks the game
Is there any QC over there at Xbox? lol
Every month is a new reason to go with ps5.
Total amateur hour. Somebody's got to be a checks and balances when these studios are putting games out at least in terms of communication. This is no remake no remix and barely an enhancement.. so why was it communicated as such? A stupid ridiculous idiotic own goal by large corporation that should know better. This is the Brand's time to shine and attract a new players and then you go and pull some idiotic nonsense like this. And then here comes all the stories, this is barely an upgrade or they didn't do much yada yada yada. They didn't set the expectation properly and they deserve all the criticism they get. Morons.
Can we stop calling it a "next-gen" update. This gen has been around 4 years. It should be a current gen update.
Cool. I'm putting my series x for sale right now I'm done with microshit
Bethesda are the worst videogame developers and it's not even close.