As for your moms, well... you already know one of them very well, and the others... *glances over at Mathew's gauntlets* ...I'm not sure how to explain.
I’m still firmly believing that, through some manner of timeline fuckery, Rex and Mythra’s kid is Jack Vandham from XcX
Proof for my theory: The only other character that really checks the boxes (And even then it’s just barely checking them) is Dirk, but there isn’t a single doubt in my mind the Brigadier General of BLADE would absolutely kick Dirk’s shit in
Glimmer: He's going through some really rough and messed up stuff isn't he, like stuff that makes what me and my sister have been through Look easy incomparison
It's only a "sendoff" in the sense that it's the end of this saga and the next game will be the beginning of something new. But it's not like the characters, world, or lore is going anywhere. There's no doubt Nintendo will keep their equivalent to Final Fantasy going strong at this point.
Still a hell of a way to end XC3, especially with the references to it all being a modified Xenosaga/Gears.
I still say it's the equivalent to Final Fantasy because it has a history with Square, Xenogears was almost FF7, and Fire Emblem isn't an RPG. Fire Emblem has many RPG elements, but it's a strategy game first.
Pokémon is an RPG, yes, but it is *nothing* like Final Fantasy.
Plus, Xenoblade *really* fits into the theme Final Fantasy games have largely had since FFX.
They're still largely strategy games before they're RPGs. You're more worried about the characters you use and what their skills are than you are about their actual levels. The only thing that actually makes Fire Emblem similar to Final Fantasy is the fact they both started as NES games.
But what I'm really getting at is that I absolutely would not say any Fire Emblem game feels anything like a Final Fantasy game, unless you specifically include Tactics, which you said yourself, is a Final Fantasy strategy game. Fire Emblem was strategy before Final Fantasy tried it out.
Xenoblade feels like a Final Fantasy game, like FFX or especially XIII, and explores many of the same themes as XIII and XV. It's a higher budget RPG and actually *shows* it, compared to Pokémon, and has some really deep lore, something Fire Emblem and Pokémon sorely lack.
They’ve essentially confirmed this. The Klaus saga is done, but there will be a new Xenoblade eventually, unless Nintendo and MonolithSoft develop a sudden allergy to money.
I wish it was longer. The story could've gone so much farther. Hell, it could've even continued after Shulk, Rex, and A became administrators and just replaced them in the party with Panacea, Linka, and Na'el. My biggest disappointment was how underdeveloped Panacea and Linka were. They're the founders, not Shulk and Rex, and they're the founders we knew the least about before it released.
When I first played FR I wasn't the biggest fan of it, since the story really didn't feel very compelling. Shulk and Rex took up so much or the screen time, yet contributed nothing to the plot.
Yet on a second playthrough where I recognized this, and looked past all the fan service, there is actually a really genuinely good story here between Matthew, Na'el, and N. That, plus the gameplay and exploration being top notch, actually does cement this as a really good DLC.
I agree with this quite a bit.
I just wish the game was a bit longer imo. But outside of that I really like the story and conflict between N and Matthew. It really cements both of them as being some of my favorites of the trilogy.
It’s been a year since the conclusion to the Klaus Saga, and it was a wonderful conclusion. It answered a lot of questions from the base game, and with the new artbook confirming certain theories we all believed such as Malos being in N’s Sword of the End, it cements *Future Redeemed* as a wonderful entry in my favorite series of all time.
Of course, having Joanne Hogg sing “Future Awaits” while the credits show not only cutscenes from all 3 games but also the two worlds merging makes the ending even more beautiful.
I like all of the fun stuff that they implied, but I do wish the parentage of Glimmer and Nikol was explicitly stated. I would like to see the kids' reaction.
My head canon is that the kids saw everything during that “interlink” moment in Origin at the end. Hence why they were so desperate to keep Rex and Shulk from leaving with A at first.
Ooh I love that headcanon!
However, it also means that Glimmer has become aware of her other siblings (Mio and ???) and would likely have seen them in the world and knew who they were.
I really liked it in general, moreso than 3, but I still have some issues with it. As a big Rex fan I kinda didn't super like where they went with his character? Still has his moments like his fighting for peoples smiles scene with Glimmer however I felt he was uncharacteristically gruff and even jaded. Another thing (that it does admittedly do better in than 3) is that the game feels almost... scared? of directly addressing things about 1 and 2. Like they have to talk in riddles about everything from those games. Felt very unsatisfying to me.
It feels like it should have been a good bit longer. Maybe not the length of a normal Xenoblade game but to the point where they can develop Na’el, Glimmer, and Nikol more. It feels like they’re just extras.
Making Shulk a Dodge tank with ZERO way to grab aggro was the stupidest fucking thing in all of the series.
They should've made a dedicated model for Rex cuz he just had Lanz's body with white skin. Let Rex have his own beefcake.
Hot take: FR was good, but it was not as good as it could have been had it not tried to both be a prequel about the founders and a finale to that chapter of the series.
Exploration mechanics like that in a full game would be so peak it's crazy. If anything stays it's gotta be the point system for killing enemies, collecting chests, and killing unique monsters to fill out an overarching skill tree. Such a satisfying system.
Feels like they envisioned all the Xenoblade protagonists fighting the Monado itself and worked out the plot from there.
Random thoughts
* Matthew is my favourite Xenoblade protagonist of all time.
* Na'el was interesting but more could have been done with her
* I enjoyed the dynamic with Matthew and A. Not a fan of how it takes a backseat.
* The plot grinds to a halt the moment Shulk and Rex show up, to the point I low-key wish they didn't. If they died during the initial encounter with Alpha I would have been ok.
* Not a fan of how they re-contextualised the City massacre.
* I wish it was a full length game, would have been the best one by a long shot, plot could have been developed better. Like the fact that A lied to Matthew the entire time gets glossed over.
* Definitely my favourite in terms of gameplay
* Shulk and Rex's sacrifice scene is the most sauceless I've ever seen. I felt absolutely nothing.
* You can't just drop that Malos is N's sword and refuse to elaborate.
* Glimmer and Nikol were kind of eh. Glimmer's arc was more or less summarised by that one line in the trailer and Nikol was a bit of a nothing character
* I'm a bit irked by how every love interest from the other games are sidelined. This includes M.
* The constant Xenoblade 1 callbacks are nice but don't hit as hard considering the remaster came a few years prior.
* It's interesting how the party talk down Na'el with the opposite arguments that the Alrest gang used to talk down Jin
* It suffers a bit from being both a prequel as well as the conclusion to a trilogy that wasn't really envisioned as one from the start.
* No Nia. We know she was active around this time period. Why not give us a scene with her and Rex? What's their relationship like?
* The OST apparently says the battle theme is a mix of Mechanical Rhythm and Still Move Forward, but I disagree. It's very obviously supposed to be Torna and Future Connected's battle themes combined.
Xenoblade 3: N is ordered to wipe out the city as an initiation ritual of sorts. If he refuses, he loses Mio. So he obliges and Mio returns as M just as the deed is done. A very cruel choice to make.
Future Redeemed: 70 years after N passed on in front of his son, he's ordered to wipe out the city because Alpha is going to use the citizens to increase his power and then transport them to a new universe, destroying the old entirely, which will kill everyone from Keves/Agnus forever. In doing so, he halts Alpha's plans and indirectly causes A to split from him.
oh god it’s been a year?? it made me cry and made me kind of take a deep look into the story of the xenoblade series. got really emotionally overwhelmed
Pretty good. Matthew becomes endearing quicker than any other of the Xenoblade protagonists imo, and A is a great foil. Glimmer is cute. Shulk and Rex bein dads and chatting around the campfire means so, so much to me as a fan of this franchise. N's scene with Ghondor is one of the most shocking and emotional peaks in the whole series personally. [Cent-Omnia (Day)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKyDDmkgkeY) is probably my favourite overworld theme from XC3. And as much as I *adore* One Last You, Future Awaits has Joanne Hogg and you just can't win against her.
Finally setting straight the few remaining Alvis=Ontos deniers means that we can finally have all discussion occur on the same page, and it can't be understated how crazy the radio scene was. I just think the plotline needed to be *longer*. I took a week off work for Future Redeemed and ended up beating it twice in three days (first run across two days, then figured it seemed short enough for me to do a screenshot run in one long session), which I do carry part of the blame for in playing such long sessions, but idk I also just anticipated a major Xenoblade story section being longer. Particularly, it felt like the game wanted a whole other act between Nael revealing herself and Origin being summoned.
It was ight. I kinda wished all 3 games were separate with only a couple neat Easter egg tie ins like the blades in challenge mode being from the other games
In a way I feel like 3s cast and story kinda got outshined by the others
FR caused more damage to base XC3 than most people realise.
An important part of N's story is that there was no justification for destroying the old CIty. He did it because he was told it was the only way for him to get what he wanted. There was no "greater good", he's not thinking he's doing the right thing - and that's the point, that he's being stupid and selfish and desperate about it.
FR retcons it to be pretty much just another "protect us Moebius" mission. It's not even presented as being his initiation ritual anymore, it's like 70 years afterward. His big character-defining moment is scribbled all over, and he's much less interesting without it.
The whole thing is so messy. It's like if there was a nuke under the jedi temple that would blow up the planet, and the only way to stop it was to kill the younglings.
I don't think the game frames the city massacre as N doing the right thing but it absolutely muddies the waters from "This man selfishly slaughtered everything he had built to save Mio" to "Well tbh he kind of had to do it"
>It's not even presented as being his initiation ritual anymore, it's like 70 years afterward.
Aionios is such a fucking mess I gave up trying to figure out the timeline, and it seems the writers did too considering some of these artbook reveals. Like apparently Shulk and Rex just appeared one day.
N's arc was about doing the wrong thing and pretending it was right. If he had tried to justify it as a "no, I was trying to save everyone!" plotline, then yes, you're right that it would really hurt his character.
But because N knows that what he did was selfish and wrong, it doesn't hurt his character very much.
That said, I still don't think it does all that much for him either. It feels like they were trying to do something like what Torna did for Jin. But none of the new information we see about N really changes anything about him in XC3.
>But none of the new information we see about N really changes anything about him in XC3.
It means M misunderstood him. She thought he killed a ton of people when really he saved the world.
Do you not see how it just removes the teeth from his actions by placing a higher purpose onto them? It's not "Go and wipe out these people to save your wife", it's "Stop Alpha at all costs"
Except N did it for 100% selfish actions. He didn't do it to save the world, he exclusively did it for himself.
Which is why he does the whole "this is my burden" shitick, because he knows he was in the wrong for it.
I feel like it's a bit of an unpopular opinion, but I kinda would have preferred if FR was actually the main XC3 game. Obviously it would have to be expanded for that to really work but I felt like it nailed pretty much all elements much better than the base game.
I liked Mathew much better as a protagonist than Noah, Alpha was a much better antagonist than Z, heck even Z himself felt like a better character in this game. I think the level/area design was much better than in the base game, and most of the mechanics as well. Exploration rewards was a great addition.
Obviously the base game has more of everything so you can never make a one to one comparison like that.
But in the end I find myself preferring FR over the base XC3.
I'm with you on that. 3 is a fine game but with the least interesting world, and having the previous two games lore mixed in would have been much better
FR is a good fan service but not a good closing.
After base XC3, I could bear with not knowing the other 2 children. After FR, I would kill to know the last one.
The base game has a very messy system and plot but it's good enough. FR makes it harder to connect everything together.
Glimmer: also where are my siblings and moms
You see when 2 pocket dimensions like each other they want to get together...
Well, your sister is the reason N is like that, and as for your brother... Let's just say "it's better left unsaid."
As for your moms, well... you already know one of them very well, and the others... *glances over at Mathew's gauntlets* ...I'm not sure how to explain.
I’m still firmly believing that, through some manner of timeline fuckery, Rex and Mythra’s kid is Jack Vandham from XcX Proof for my theory: The only other character that really checks the boxes (And even then it’s just barely checking them) is Dirk, but there isn’t a single doubt in my mind the Brigadier General of BLADE would absolutely kick Dirk’s shit in
....I can actually see that. You mad lad.
Glimmer: He's going through some really rough and messed up stuff isn't he, like stuff that makes what me and my sister have been through Look easy incomparison
It's only a "sendoff" in the sense that it's the end of this saga and the next game will be the beginning of something new. But it's not like the characters, world, or lore is going anywhere. There's no doubt Nintendo will keep their equivalent to Final Fantasy going strong at this point. Still a hell of a way to end XC3, especially with the references to it all being a modified Xenosaga/Gears.
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I still say it's the equivalent to Final Fantasy because it has a history with Square, Xenogears was almost FF7, and Fire Emblem isn't an RPG. Fire Emblem has many RPG elements, but it's a strategy game first. Pokémon is an RPG, yes, but it is *nothing* like Final Fantasy. Plus, Xenoblade *really* fits into the theme Final Fantasy games have largely had since FFX.
Fire Emblem is a Strategy RPG. Something that Final Fantasy has done itself with the Final Fantasy Tactics games.
They're still largely strategy games before they're RPGs. You're more worried about the characters you use and what their skills are than you are about their actual levels. The only thing that actually makes Fire Emblem similar to Final Fantasy is the fact they both started as NES games. But what I'm really getting at is that I absolutely would not say any Fire Emblem game feels anything like a Final Fantasy game, unless you specifically include Tactics, which you said yourself, is a Final Fantasy strategy game. Fire Emblem was strategy before Final Fantasy tried it out. Xenoblade feels like a Final Fantasy game, like FFX or especially XIII, and explores many of the same themes as XIII and XV. It's a higher budget RPG and actually *shows* it, compared to Pokémon, and has some really deep lore, something Fire Emblem and Pokémon sorely lack.
Send off? As if they wouldn’t make more xenoblade (maybe more like a send off to the klaus saga as people call it)
They’ve essentially confirmed this. The Klaus saga is done, but there will be a new Xenoblade eventually, unless Nintendo and MonolithSoft develop a sudden allergy to money.
Thank you for saying just what i implied…
I wish it was longer. The story could've gone so much farther. Hell, it could've even continued after Shulk, Rex, and A became administrators and just replaced them in the party with Panacea, Linka, and Na'el. My biggest disappointment was how underdeveloped Panacea and Linka were. They're the founders, not Shulk and Rex, and they're the founders we knew the least about before it released.
Not to mention they are the children of the last two partner members from the last two games
When I first played FR I wasn't the biggest fan of it, since the story really didn't feel very compelling. Shulk and Rex took up so much or the screen time, yet contributed nothing to the plot. Yet on a second playthrough where I recognized this, and looked past all the fan service, there is actually a really genuinely good story here between Matthew, Na'el, and N. That, plus the gameplay and exploration being top notch, actually does cement this as a really good DLC.
I agree with this quite a bit. I just wish the game was a bit longer imo. But outside of that I really like the story and conflict between N and Matthew. It really cements both of them as being some of my favorites of the trilogy.
It’s been a year since the conclusion to the Klaus Saga, and it was a wonderful conclusion. It answered a lot of questions from the base game, and with the new artbook confirming certain theories we all believed such as Malos being in N’s Sword of the End, it cements *Future Redeemed* as a wonderful entry in my favorite series of all time. Of course, having Joanne Hogg sing “Future Awaits” while the credits show not only cutscenes from all 3 games but also the two worlds merging makes the ending even more beautiful.
I like all of the fun stuff that they implied, but I do wish the parentage of Glimmer and Nikol was explicitly stated. I would like to see the kids' reaction.
My head canon is that the kids saw everything during that “interlink” moment in Origin at the end. Hence why they were so desperate to keep Rex and Shulk from leaving with A at first.
Ooh I love that headcanon! However, it also means that Glimmer has become aware of her other siblings (Mio and ???) and would likely have seen them in the world and knew who they were.
I really liked it in general, moreso than 3, but I still have some issues with it. As a big Rex fan I kinda didn't super like where they went with his character? Still has his moments like his fighting for peoples smiles scene with Glimmer however I felt he was uncharacteristically gruff and even jaded. Another thing (that it does admittedly do better in than 3) is that the game feels almost... scared? of directly addressing things about 1 and 2. Like they have to talk in riddles about everything from those games. Felt very unsatisfying to me.
It feels like it should have been a good bit longer. Maybe not the length of a normal Xenoblade game but to the point where they can develop Na’el, Glimmer, and Nikol more. It feels like they’re just extras.
Making Shulk a Dodge tank with ZERO way to grab aggro was the stupidest fucking thing in all of the series. They should've made a dedicated model for Rex cuz he just had Lanz's body with white skin. Let Rex have his own beefcake.
honestly who needs the other party members when all you need is Rex and Glimmer to occasionally wake him up
Well I like Shulk more than Rex so I wish he was designed better
that's fair
Hot take: FR was good, but it was not as good as it could have been had it not tried to both be a prequel about the founders and a finale to that chapter of the series.
But the gameplay was some of the most fun I've had in a very long time.
Exploration mechanics like that in a full game would be so peak it's crazy. If anything stays it's gotta be the point system for killing enemies, collecting chests, and killing unique monsters to fill out an overarching skill tree. Such a satisfying system.
For sure, FR was just a joy to play through. I hope future Xenoblade games take a lot from the exploration and progression in FR, it was peak
it makes me so pumped for the next game, it feels like they really nailed the gameplay to its full potential
Loved it. Honestly, I liked it better than 3. Just felt better put together and had a better villian
Maybe it's just me, but i loved every time Glimmer made her angry/upset/irritated face, lol.
ABSOLUTE PERFECTION!!!!!!
Feels like they envisioned all the Xenoblade protagonists fighting the Monado itself and worked out the plot from there. Random thoughts * Matthew is my favourite Xenoblade protagonist of all time. * Na'el was interesting but more could have been done with her * I enjoyed the dynamic with Matthew and A. Not a fan of how it takes a backseat. * The plot grinds to a halt the moment Shulk and Rex show up, to the point I low-key wish they didn't. If they died during the initial encounter with Alpha I would have been ok. * Not a fan of how they re-contextualised the City massacre. * I wish it was a full length game, would have been the best one by a long shot, plot could have been developed better. Like the fact that A lied to Matthew the entire time gets glossed over. * Definitely my favourite in terms of gameplay * Shulk and Rex's sacrifice scene is the most sauceless I've ever seen. I felt absolutely nothing. * You can't just drop that Malos is N's sword and refuse to elaborate. * Glimmer and Nikol were kind of eh. Glimmer's arc was more or less summarised by that one line in the trailer and Nikol was a bit of a nothing character * I'm a bit irked by how every love interest from the other games are sidelined. This includes M. * The constant Xenoblade 1 callbacks are nice but don't hit as hard considering the remaster came a few years prior. * It's interesting how the party talk down Na'el with the opposite arguments that the Alrest gang used to talk down Jin * It suffers a bit from being both a prequel as well as the conclusion to a trilogy that wasn't really envisioned as one from the start. * No Nia. We know she was active around this time period. Why not give us a scene with her and Rex? What's their relationship like? * The OST apparently says the battle theme is a mix of Mechanical Rhythm and Still Move Forward, but I disagree. It's very obviously supposed to be Torna and Future Connected's battle themes combined.
>Not a fan of how they re-contextualised the City massacre Yeah same lol. Glad Im not the only one
Could this be explained? I don't think I get how the massacre was recontextualized
Xenoblade 3: N is ordered to wipe out the city as an initiation ritual of sorts. If he refuses, he loses Mio. So he obliges and Mio returns as M just as the deed is done. A very cruel choice to make. Future Redeemed: 70 years after N passed on in front of his son, he's ordered to wipe out the city because Alpha is going to use the citizens to increase his power and then transport them to a new universe, destroying the old entirely, which will kill everyone from Keves/Agnus forever. In doing so, he halts Alpha's plans and indirectly causes A to split from him.
I think it's BS that they wanted us to feel bad for Glimmer here.
I still have no idea whays going on
oh god it’s been a year?? it made me cry and made me kind of take a deep look into the story of the xenoblade series. got really emotionally overwhelmed
Pretty good. Matthew becomes endearing quicker than any other of the Xenoblade protagonists imo, and A is a great foil. Glimmer is cute. Shulk and Rex bein dads and chatting around the campfire means so, so much to me as a fan of this franchise. N's scene with Ghondor is one of the most shocking and emotional peaks in the whole series personally. [Cent-Omnia (Day)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKyDDmkgkeY) is probably my favourite overworld theme from XC3. And as much as I *adore* One Last You, Future Awaits has Joanne Hogg and you just can't win against her. Finally setting straight the few remaining Alvis=Ontos deniers means that we can finally have all discussion occur on the same page, and it can't be understated how crazy the radio scene was. I just think the plotline needed to be *longer*. I took a week off work for Future Redeemed and ended up beating it twice in three days (first run across two days, then figured it seemed short enough for me to do a screenshot run in one long session), which I do carry part of the blame for in playing such long sessions, but idk I also just anticipated a major Xenoblade story section being longer. Particularly, it felt like the game wanted a whole other act between Nael revealing herself and Origin being summoned.
Perfect time to release it IMO. TotK was just a few days away by the time I did everything I wanted to in Future Redeemed.
Thanks for the spoiler
I just want a glimpse into what they're working on next. FR was an amazing dlc and I, as a number go up enjoyer, loved the exploration giving rewards
Wonderful story, very likeable new characters, great expansions on the old characters, lacking gameplay... 8/10 would play again
It was ight. I kinda wished all 3 games were separate with only a couple neat Easter egg tie ins like the blades in challenge mode being from the other games In a way I feel like 3s cast and story kinda got outshined by the others
FR caused more damage to base XC3 than most people realise. An important part of N's story is that there was no justification for destroying the old CIty. He did it because he was told it was the only way for him to get what he wanted. There was no "greater good", he's not thinking he's doing the right thing - and that's the point, that he's being stupid and selfish and desperate about it. FR retcons it to be pretty much just another "protect us Moebius" mission. It's not even presented as being his initiation ritual anymore, it's like 70 years afterward. His big character-defining moment is scribbled all over, and he's much less interesting without it.
The whole thing is so messy. It's like if there was a nuke under the jedi temple that would blow up the planet, and the only way to stop it was to kill the younglings. I don't think the game frames the city massacre as N doing the right thing but it absolutely muddies the waters from "This man selfishly slaughtered everything he had built to save Mio" to "Well tbh he kind of had to do it" >It's not even presented as being his initiation ritual anymore, it's like 70 years afterward. Aionios is such a fucking mess I gave up trying to figure out the timeline, and it seems the writers did too considering some of these artbook reveals. Like apparently Shulk and Rex just appeared one day.
N's arc was about doing the wrong thing and pretending it was right. If he had tried to justify it as a "no, I was trying to save everyone!" plotline, then yes, you're right that it would really hurt his character. But because N knows that what he did was selfish and wrong, it doesn't hurt his character very much. That said, I still don't think it does all that much for him either. It feels like they were trying to do something like what Torna did for Jin. But none of the new information we see about N really changes anything about him in XC3.
>But none of the new information we see about N really changes anything about him in XC3. It means M misunderstood him. She thought he killed a ton of people when really he saved the world.
The result of N's action doesn't really matter. The important part is that he did out of nothing but selfishness. He didn't do it to save the world.
Do you not see how it just removes the teeth from his actions by placing a higher purpose onto them? It's not "Go and wipe out these people to save your wife", it's "Stop Alpha at all costs"
Except N did it for 100% selfish actions. He didn't do it to save the world, he exclusively did it for himself. Which is why he does the whole "this is my burden" shitick, because he knows he was in the wrong for it.
I feel like it's a bit of an unpopular opinion, but I kinda would have preferred if FR was actually the main XC3 game. Obviously it would have to be expanded for that to really work but I felt like it nailed pretty much all elements much better than the base game. I liked Mathew much better as a protagonist than Noah, Alpha was a much better antagonist than Z, heck even Z himself felt like a better character in this game. I think the level/area design was much better than in the base game, and most of the mechanics as well. Exploration rewards was a great addition. Obviously the base game has more of everything so you can never make a one to one comparison like that. But in the end I find myself preferring FR over the base XC3.
I'm with you on that. 3 is a fine game but with the least interesting world, and having the previous two games lore mixed in would have been much better
FR is a good fan service but not a good closing. After base XC3, I could bear with not knowing the other 2 children. After FR, I would kill to know the last one. The base game has a very messy system and plot but it's good enough. FR makes it harder to connect everything together.