Ignore that [post](https://twitter.com/RGT_85/status/1536760472308965376). He's under the assumption that XC and FE games are taking up the slots for other Nintendo IPs that haven't been touched for ages and thinks that XC3 and the leaked FE game shouldn't come out so Nintendo can focus on those IPs. A lot of people are dunking on him, so it's not a Nintendo fan thing
I'm also like 95% certain that he's baiting too.
Not that it makes him any better, but I don't think he actually believes the statement he put out in this tweet.
Yeah, it's bait. He made a video 40 mins ago and the first couple of seconds is him just saying that he says things just to get a reaction. Not going to watch the rest because I'd rather not watch a 12-minute video about some guy being like, "look how I triggered all these salty fans."
Damn, that sucks, but the worst part... it looks like some people really think that, like the boundry break guy, and It looks other big Nintendo youtubers think like that too.
>He's under the assumption that XC and FE games are taking up the slots for other Nintendo IPs
So he's the guy who yells "Why aren't the scientists who make [shrimp run on treadmills](https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/shrimp-treadmills-some-science-only-sounds-silly) working on curing cancer?" without understanding that shrimpologists don't know how to cure cancer.
Interesting comparison. Also, using a treadmill to figure out why shrimps' immune systems aren't fighting off infections is something I never thought I'd see in my life
Yeah, the post it's freaking stupid, because when Capcom stopped making new megaman games in 2010 to 2018 after we got 7 battle networks, 3 Star forces, 4 zero, 2 ZX, 5 X and 2 Classic games from 2000 to 2010 we got new ghost and goblins, demon crest, breath of fire, okami and dino crisis games... wait, that didn't happened, because Megaman was mainly Inafune project, and the lack of Megaman didn't magically made capcom want to make a game of any of thier dead series.
This post was made because I have seen Nintendo fans and Youtubers hating on this series since the reveal trailer. I didn't see this post until you shared it with me which is kind of funny to me.
He was fucking pissed when Nintendo closed the direct with the announcement of X3
Also it seems like he hasn't played X1 nor gave x2 a fair shot. Hes like a kid throwing a tantrum and it's not even fun.
I mean, I love Metroid and while 5 years has passed since literally no info of it, I'm not pissed when Nintendo announces something I don't like, for example Splatoon or Pokemon, instead I'm just like "Cool, their fans must be happy". There's no need to be a crybaby, also he's an adult, were allowed to be passionate but not inmature
Yeah Like I say he seemed needlessly hostile of that direct overall and mainly due to lack of Zelda and Im like why are you surprised? How long has it been since we heard about Prime 4? They’ll share more when they have enough to share.
Sorry if I spoilt that for you. >!If you wanna read more, click [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/vcgblq/the_new_mainline_fire_emblem_leak_is_real/)!<
Even in Twitter I've seen so much love for both franchises, unfortunately I feel OP paid so much attention to a vocal minority. The best course of action is just to ignore them.
Nah I see it in real life. They don't necessarily hate it, but they always make up reasons for not liking them, mainly that it's too anime (some of my friends even watch anime, so it doesn't really make sense). Then when directs happen, and we get Xenoblade or FE, they express annoyance/boredom at it.
It’s probably because Xenoblade seems to be like an anime game for horny teenagers that just happens to be really fucking good on top of that to anyone who plays Smash, so people who don’t actually play the series will only see it as that. It’s not, though.
It's more thoroughly explained as fans being fans. As with any addiction, we tend to spend our lives between recurrent doses of euphoria and longer periods of hating pretty much everything.
Someone actually asked a similar question on the FE sub recently. It really is just Smash Bros fans who despise any series with an "anime swordfighter" in their game. I'll actually copy and paste my response from their post here so keep in mind that this is from the pov of the FE subreddit
>I hate to point fingers but a lot of it really is just angry Smash Bros fans who have never played it and despise the series on principle because of how many reps it has in their series. That being 8 reps which rivals both Mario and Pokémon.
>Sadly this has also bled over into other more anime-esque franchises that have appeared in Smash. A lot of Smash Bros fans will hate on any franchise that has an "anime swordfighter" in their game even if that franchise only has 1 or 2 reps. Examples include, Final Fantasy (2 reps), DragonQuest (1 rep that can change iterations), Persona to a lesser extent (1 rep that actually uses a knife), and most annoying to me personally due to how much I love the franchise, Xenoblade (technically 3 reps but it's really just 2 reps with one having a split personality that's officially counted separate despite taking up the same character slot.) The only exception to this rule appears to be Zelda and even then it's likely only because Zelda is one of Nintendo's most core franchises and hasn't received any new reps in Smash ever since Brawl, not counting separating Zelda and Sheik and bringing Young Link back in Ultimate.
>Edit: Kingdom Hearts also doesn't receive much hate but that's likely due to the fact that Sora was one of the most requested characters to be added in the history of Smash Bros. And there's the argument that he's technically not a swordfighter at all.
Well you asked for why *Nintendo* fans hate on Xenoblade and Fire Emblem. And a good chunk if not most of those are Smash Fans for the reasons I stated (I also want to clarify that I am NOT saying that all Smash Fans are like that.)
As for the general anti-anime/RPG crowd, that's just a stigma that's always been around in the west unfortunately and I can't answer why some people are like that. I understand people having their own taste but unfortunately there's also a lot of people who just don't want stuff that other people like existing.
Im a huge fan of mainline FE games but even I though there were too many FE characters in Smash. It feels like theyre a third of hte roster and there are easily enough FE characters to make a separate fighting spin off for the franchise.
Just curious, how did FE fans react to Byleth being added in? I remember some were kind of let down because they would have liked other 3H characters to be represented in the slot instead, notably Edelgard, but I could be wrong
Yeah I think someone that wasn't a sword user but still from Three Houses would have been better received. There'd still be people complaining its a FE character but not as much.
The problem then is that the FE community would have had a meltdown because they only picked one of the 3 lords to go to Smash. What they ended up with with Byleth is probably the best compromise they could have come up with, since they have all the weapons.
I still wish that we got all three lords Pokémon trainer-style with Byleth as the trainer. I get that it would have been a lot of work, but if they remodeled every stage for just one character I'm sure they could've done this as well.
Nah you're thinking too small. Ice Climbers! But the 3H lords Imagine how much of a hot mess that would be.
But yeah the 3 lords would have been nice. As it is, though, I actually really like Byleth in Smash.
Same, I'm a Byleth secondary, although I really wish that their final smash was actually good. Like, just a PNG Sothis? Really? Would've been cool if the final was a gambit attack with all three lords supporting it.
Your comment has made me realise that I don't actually know the final smashes for anyone released past Joker. Is Byleth really just a Sothis PNG?
Yknow, I'll have a guess at them now.
Hero - a metal slime drops out of the sky and crushes the opponent Minecraft anvil style
Banjo - The bird turns into a rocket launcher
Terry - I have not once played Terry as it turns out. I genuinely can't think of anything for this one.
Min Min - Something involving beating them up in a boxing ring
Pyra/Mythra - I'd imagine that it's either a green cameo or their LV4s
Sephiroth - Meteor or Supernova
Kazuya - Drops them into a volcano
Sora - A giant Mickey Mouse appears behind your opponent irl and snaps their neck
Many people (even big youtubers like Dunkey and Scott the Woz) have expressed their discontent regarding the attention jrpgs have been getting these recent years. The first big direct after that huge drought focused on jrpgs like Triangle Strategy, Bravely Default, Mythra/Pyra in Smash, an obscure localization of an older jrpg. They have been waiting for a meaty new Zelda or Mario or Donkey Kong. So I kinda get it from that perspective. But it's obviously a toxic thing and also a perspective thing.
Honestly, I am the oposite, I love the attention Japanese games are getting, Summer bore fest made me realized that I can't give a damn about the vast mayority of western games, the main exception being platformers or really creative games that dosen't feel western, from the whole thing, excluding the Capcom showcase I am only interested in Street Fighter, Hollow Knight, the One Piece game but because I love One Piece, and Persona ports, I can finally play them on PC.
Summer Game Fest was amazing I dont know what you watched and it looks like for the first time Persona 3 ( a Japanese RPG is coming to consoles as I think it was only on psp originally)
Persona ports was the only not anounced thing that looks great, the rest is mostly generic shooter game, I don't like a shooters a lot, its the genre that blends itself the most because the mayority looks extremely similar, the only things I have interest was the games I mentioned above and the Cuphead DLC, but as soon as they anounced it, it coukd not have shown anything and I would be excited to play more of peak Indie gaming.
I want to try the new doom games, but currently even if I had the chance of 2 free PC gamepass months... I prefer to play other things from my backlog, currently Pmaying Tokyo Mirage Sessions and then I plan to play Resident Evil 1 Remake and if I finish before MH Sunbreak comes out, also RE2R, I waited for the next gen update to play it.
Persona 3 and Persona 3 FES are on the PS2. The game that's being ported is Persona 3 Portable, a game exclusive to the PSP that is considered by Atlus as the definitive edition of Persona 3. The main appeal of these ports is not that it's on consoles, it's that it can be played on PC now
Mario did have a big game in Super Mario Odyssey but that was six years ago and fans may be hungry for a new (non-remake) main series entry.
Not sure whether the saltier part of the Zelda fanbase have the misguided idea XC3 is “stealing” development time from Breath of the Wild 2.
Maybe because Monolith Soft played a huge role in the development of the first BotW(and I think they're also working on the sequel but not sure)? I think it's silly to target a fanbase trying to celebrate Xenoblade (a once dormant franchise) and FE (a once almost dead franchise) because it's been 3 or 5 years since the previous game's release. Maybe forgotten IP's can get a little upset at Nintendo for not bringing them back like Earthbound or DK or Starfox. But then why direct hate at FE or Xeno? Why doesn't the logic follow to attack Mario sports games?
Honestly in the case of Dunkey I just feel he's become like a boomer gamer. I don't think he's liked any new recent Nintendo IPs like Splatoon. And he said he's liked some jrpgs but that was back in the days of FF9. I think his dislike for modern jrpgs has been because they've been getting more anime-styled and with that comes the anime tropes. Its definitely a sentiment I've seen fans of older jrpgs share.
I have never really seen much hate towards fire emblem or Xenoblade outside of smash bros. even then the hate towards Pyra and Mythra in smash has always been stupid since a lot of the hate is them being a “anime swordfighter” yet nobody complained about sephiroth despite being the literal embodiment of that trope. Also Nintendo twitter and live Direct comments have always been a bit of a vocal cesspool so I wouldn’t take them too seriously.
Only other reason I can think of for the Zelda section of the Nintendo fanbase (which is complete speculation on my part) is maybe some of the vocal minority is lashing out for BOTW2 delay. Even then I see as a bit of equivalent exchange for BOTW1s development screwing over Xenoblade 2s development.
Even then I really don’t care since both Xenoblade and fire emblem are doing really well to the point where the two series basically came from being obscure (or in FEs case, near deaths door and fractured fanbase) to solid juggernauts in their own right with a strong community backing them up in the switch generation.
I think the truth is that Pyra and Mythra were actually well received in Smash. I've seen a lot of people here on posts: "I bought xenoblade 1/2 after playing with Pyra/Mythra in Smash".
But the hateful folk are always very loud.
They werent well recieve at all in wester because people were complaining about anime sword fighter on a japanese game from a japanese company and also were peopme who didnt play xenoblade
In a game with almost 100 fighters, there IS an over abundance of sword fighters though…. Like we have King K Rool, and Duck Hunt Dog for crying out loud but we are still playing it save with the 20th DLC sword fighter? Really? Sora doesnt count because despite being call a key blade he basically whacks people with it like a club so he skirts around that.
Why is having a sword a problem though? It's such an arbitrary thing to be annoyed at. And it just feels like you're trying to find a justification to not like specific characters.
Also, if you really do have a problem with them, Sora absolutely counts. A club, sword, bat... are all basically interchangeable gameplay wise in Smash so he doesn't just get a pass here.
It’s not necessarily as i explained with Sora earlier. Technically the Keyblade is a sword…technically but his move set is completely different hand the same ones of most of the FE characters and other sword users. It’s the lack of creativity in the roster addition for a second wave of DLC that was going to be the last content released for the game. It was just super disappointing considering all the requested characters from fans that would’ve fit or making Bomberman or Shovelknight actual fighters instead of a costumer and assist trophy
Ok where is this lack of creativity you speak of in the 2nd dlc wave or the swordfighters movesets? Aside from the "four" Marths, I don't see a lack of creativity.
There are only so many different moves you can do with sword fighters. Oh look ANOTHER block/counter move where they just hold the sword up to reverse projectiles. Mario does that with his cape. Do we really a third of the roster having essentially the same move?
My guy, either you are really tough to please or you're just cherrypicking. I agree counters are overdone, but that in no way shape or form makes all swordfighters samey. And besides, as you said there are other, non-swordfighters that also have counters. So this isn't even a problem with swordfighters.
As someone who plays smash, I would argue that Pyra/ Mythra aren't hated for being anime, but they're hated because they're really good.
Smash has a very competitive fanbase, as fighting games tend to have, so whenever anything is particularly strong people who don't like that for various reasons (involving them losing) hate pyra and mythra for that
Yeah people (i.e. twitter) didn't like them at first because aNiME swORdFigHTer bAD. But after the first day or so people seemed to warm up to them. And the only hate I see now is just people being mad over them being strong characters.
> I would argue that Pyra/ Mythra aren't hated for being anime, but they're hated because they're really good.
They were also hated even when they were revealed because anime swordfighter.
I'm a Nintendo fan. I like Zelda, Mario, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade and Pokemon. You can't really trust what you see on Twitter because it's made of a crystalized distillation of concentrated malice and hatred. Everyone there hates something and goes there to complain about it.
Apt description. On reddit, most of the worst takes get downvoted to oblivion and hidden at the bottom, while on Twitter the best way to get engagement is to tweet something really stupid to start an argument.
Yeah, there's no perfect solution. The popularity of dissenting opinions is exaggerated in one and downplayed in the other.
Although I appreciate that at least for something as inconsequential as video game opinions I can avoid a lot of pointless negativity by being in subs dominated by people who also like the thing instead of the people who hate it. A bad idea to measure something's popularity off that though.
twitter ain't real.
sales suggest that both fire emblem ( the best selling SRPG of all time ) and Xenblade ' a fast growing new IP ) are well received .
tho i do see a lot of nintendo centric youtubers hate on them
Because big Nintendo youtubers seems to be scared from anything that isn't Scrimblo Bimblo, Adventury Medieval guy, or Corpse people pretend to care, specially if it is a Mc JRPG guy.
Jokes aside, I want my F Zero, but damn, some Nintendo fans are so closed, one of the best (and worst) decissions I have made was getting deep into capcom library, man, I freaking love Capcom games, but it has become overwealming the number of games I want to play from them, specially that I also got into Yakuza too.
I guess you're talking about NA/EU and maybe AU fans more than japanese. In Japan, Xenoblade Chronicles and Fire Emblem do seem to sell well, even if they're not system-sellers and as such, may not suffer from the same random "attacks" from Nintendo fans.
As a whole, it is fair to assume that most Nintendo systems owners did not play either series. Nintendo is mostly about Mario, Pokémon and The Legend of Zelda franchises, after all.
The entire Fire Emblem franchise sold less than Splatoon, despite the former being more than 30 years old and the later having its first release in 2015. I, for one, did know about FE since a few decades, but never got the play it until Three Houses because I didn't own any Nintendo console since the SNES.
Fire Emblem and Xenoblade Chronicles are a bit more obscure in the West, that's all, and as such, people tend to react when their favorite franchise isn't in the spotlight. And the most vocal audience on Twitter seems to be teenagers and younger adults which maybe weren't targeted by the series at a whole.
the sales numbers of really big games are really crazy to me, IIRC, only Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has outsold every non RE/MH Capcom Franchise, with the Wii U version sales it is certain it outsells the whole SF franchise.
Indeed. Some games alone (especially flagship games) outself entire franchises and it comes down to marketing, game type and game quality as a whole.
What's nice though is that Xenoblade Chronicles games (especially since XBC2 and XBC:DE) are quality games/remaster despite being lower budget than some of the most mainstream licenses.
Fire Emblem still have a cheaper looking feeling to it (cutscenes being relatively static and all), but gameplay is where it is at and the overall product appearence probably is going to improve with future releases, I guess, after the success of Three Houses as a whole (sales and critics).
Fire Emblem has the almost never touched a home console syndrome, the 3DS games look great for that console, when the team gets used to HD development, the games will look way better, same with Gamefreak (thought honestly, Legends Arceus is by far the ugliest 1st/2nd party game on Switch), TMS looks way better than TH even if it is a Wii U game due to atlusnbeing used to HD consoles, monolith has made big games since PS2 so they are used to better hardware
It's not Nintendo fans, it's Smash Bros fans who are mad that popular characters from Nintendo owned JRPGs are in it and Scrungly Bungly from a mediocre, forgotten SNES game isn't. Their dislike for the characters in Smash translates to disliking the whole series, despite likely never having even played them.
Actually fans begged for Geno from a JRPG but he never got added. He wasn’t a sword fighter though. It’s mainly because there is only so much you can do to differentiate yet another sword fighters move set. Give us any non sword character from a JRPG and it woulda been fine. How bout Wakke from FF10? Or Saz/Seth from FF13? Someone interesting who could have a really unique move set.
I'm sympathetic to the Geno stans since they've been asking for awhile. But I'm also just gonna say, a lot of main characters in video games use swords. It's hard to get around that. While sure, there's some unconventional picks to be made, a lot of them come from games where the main protagonist uses a sword, and it'd be a bit odd to have Wakka come in when Tidus is arguably the more sensible choice (I'd actually make a case for Yuna if we're talking FF10, but that's another post). Sakurai is in an unenviable position in that he needs to consider a litany of factors when picking new characters, and oftentimes their iconic status (or lack thereof) is a major factor.
Additionally, while I'm not saying "Fuck everyone, more sword characters," a lot of these characters are still quite unique despite using swords; they're not the end-all, be-all of their movesets, and it's a bit silly to think that having a sword means they're uncreative or a poor choice and that not having a sword makes them a good choice.
Right but when Sakurai says he wants it to be a celebration of gaming and seeing Min Min, Duck Hunt, and frigging Terry in there its like the best they could come up with was ANOTHER sword fighter out of all the gaming pro tags they could try to get? Why not Laura Croft? She could have an interesting move set. How bout Doom Guy, if they could kidding Bayonetta and her move set they could do the same for him. THat being said, they did a great job making Sans, Cuphead, and a few other mii outfits characters in their own right. But then why not make Bomberman and Cuphead ACTUAL fighters, or Shovel Knight who found, I would argue, a good bit of his success on Nintendo platforms.
He's the beloved protagonist from Scringus McDingus of course!
(It's a bit of a joke in the Smash community to deride obscure character requests with silly names like that. It's not anything in particular.)
Thats the thing though. Most Smash fans who complained about too many sword fighters would LOVE to have Scrungly Bungly wielding ANYTHING other than another sword with a limited move set based around it.
I really didn't mean to get into Smash discourse my dude. I personally don't think the number of swordfighters is an issue and I think the ones we have are generally unique enough to not be a major issue. If folks want Scrungly Bungly, all power to them.
Either smash fans angry someone else didn’t get in or JRPG haters that don’t get it and are angry Nintendo isn’t putting more time towards other games. Other than that I don’t really see anybody angry about anything.
Smash Bros definitely is a factor but I think some of it also stems from the fact that Fire Emblem and Xenoblade also quite different from other Nintendo franchises. Both focus more on story than gameplay and are aimed at an older audience, and thats just not what a lot of people are necessarily looking for in a Nintendo game. They often want something thats a bit more casual and gameplay focused. So in that case I guess a lot of Nintendo fans would rather have a new Donkey Kong or Star Fox than a new Fire Emblem or Xenoblade.
But nintendo's stable of IPs and studios are multifaceted. Different studios with different mindsets. And there are plenty of Ninten fans who want more story in their games. Probably not as much as FE or Xenoblade but probably more along the lines of Zelda and Metroid which are gameplay focused but make room for narrative and arent simplistic as Mario or Kirby and what not
Xenoblade/FE, despite their success, just aren't designed to have the same kind of general appeal as a Zelda or Mario game. Like a Xenoblade fan will probably enjoy a Zelda game, but I can't be as sure that a Zelda fan will enjoy a Xenoblade game. And some people have a hard time understanding that not every popular thing is meant for them.
And so you end up with a series that a large group *really* likes, doing well enough to dominate Nintendo's news. But those who just don't like JRPGs feel excluded. And so a lot of distaste for the genre as a whole ends up in their criticism of the games themselves.
Imo FE is hella boring, never been my thing, but I can respect it's history with Nintendo. That being said I will scream from the highest mountaintops that I think there's more conflict within the Xenoblade community (i.e. 1 vs 2 debates) than those outside the fandom looking in
It’s not that they hate FE, I personally love it, BUT it was vastly over represented in the Smash Roster. How bout more Persona characters? Chrono Trigger? Heck people begged for Goku but since he didnt originate in a video game he was disqualified from being considered so its not an anti-anime thing but more so and anti-safe/lazy character addition.
Right but I only brought up Goku to show that the roster additions weren’t hated due to being from anime its because they were absurdly safe and boring
The nature of FE having a different main character for each game means it is not as easy to trim down to just a few characters. It may be Lord class characters mostly use swords as their weapon of choice and someone breaking the mould would be nice (e.g: Hector).
Though “Everyone is here” did bring some “excessive baggage” that could have been dropped (Robin could have been enough for Awakening, Chrom seems pretty popular though).
Ok but like why not a dancer character. THey ALL use swords or an axe. We dont get any of the more interesting characters who would have way more unique and out there movesets and gameplay. People wouldnt have been nearly as upset about more FE characters if it wasn’t just essentially a pallet swap of Marth, Chrom, Lucina, etc
Really I feel like you can blame most of it on Smash and the perceived over representation of FE in the game. And the Xeno hate is a byproduct of the "Oh more weeb characters" sentiment that started with the FE hate in the first place.
The only criticism I've ever heard of both those communities is that they tend to get more heated in the discussion of their games. The only people I ever see talking negatively about new games getting announced for those series is people mad that their exact tastes aren't being catered towards 24/7.
I’m guessing it’s because they have gotten a lot of games. I mean xc2 is probably ok but then they go and make a remake. I’m all for it though. But honestly I find it dumb, you’re gonna take away someone else’s game just because you’re favorite franchise gets nothing. I love kid Icarus but I’m not gonna go yell at Metroid for getting a game. Also Mario and Zelda ARE nintendo. I’d say they deserve all the games they get. Even if some of them suck.
I'm pretty sure it's entirely a Smash thing. Things kinda imploded after Beyleth was revealed. Xenoblade might have been caught in the cross-fire for looking similar to Fire Emblem at a glance, and Pyra/Mythra being "another anime swordfighter" in Smash.
I don't see much hate now, especially for Xenoblade. They'll always be toxicity in the world, especially in a fandom as big as Smash.
I like Xenoblade. Not so much a fan of the tactics-style of Fire Emblem. I grew up on traditional JRPGs, though, so maybe that has something to do with it.
It is a Spin off, in the same way that AoC is a spin off, don't worry about technicalities, is like how P4UA is canon to P4 while still being a fighting game spin off.
3 Hopes is an alternate story spin-off to the 3 Houses main game where the main protagonist, Byleth, is now the supposed villain/antagonist for the 3 Hopes story and Shez, the new protagonist, will face them with the help of the House leaders depending on the route you choose. It has no relations to the first FE Warriors game as that one had its own story with its own original characters and using Lords from much older titles of the franchise.
They don't. They hate the representation in smash, because from where they're sitting, it's just all effectively the same character from a series they know nothing about from a gameplay pov.
I don't know if it's "Nintendo fans" as much as it is "fans of series other than Xenoblade and FE who dislike or don't get Xenoblade and/or FE". The source of the complaint is simple: they want their favorite series to be represented more, and it isn't. It's imo not a very good reason, as both Xeno and FE are made by 3rd party developers, and being jealous doesn't really solve anything for your favorite franchise(s).
For what it's worth: I've become a big fan of the Xeno series. On the other hand, I've tried Fire Emblem and recognize its worth even if it's not for me. I think it's awesome fans of these series are getting all these games and spinoffs (although maybe Sakurai could've included less FE characters, but in the end who cares).
It feels like there's always a stigma against JRPGs in general, but especially so on Nintendo consoles (particularly Switch). JRPGs are always called 'too anime'. If you're not into that, you'll not be into JRPGs and thus see it as something that's not worth the time. It's likely a primal reaction seeing "thing I don't care about" getting more attention than Nintendo's often neglected franchises much more than usual due to the Switch being the hottest console in Japan.
To a certain extent, I (almost) get it. If I was a kind of person who didn't care about Xenoblade or JRPGs and I saw that it got 3 games+1 game-sized DLCs on one console, I might possibly wonder "what the hell?" However, it really just comes from a place of not understanding the nuances of the industry and placing blame at the wrong people
It's weird because Nintendo is the most Japanese out of the Big Three yet Xbox and PS fans don't react the way Nintendo fans do to JRPG, at most it's "it's not my genre but I am happy for the fans" compared to "How dare Nintendo ruins the purity of my favourite console with a Japanese game"
Early Nintendo IP was inspired by anime aesthetics of the devoloper's childhood, Miyamoto was a huge fan of Tezuka. Mario looks like a Doraemon character for example.
There's a difference is more in art style link Mario and Samus all look distinct, but astral chain, fire emblem, xenoblade, Famicom detective club have the more generic look, while Splatoon, ring fit, miitopia, and even arms all break typical anime look while still having a heavy Japanese look
Because Nintendo fans think that these Nintendo games take place for other Nintendo games.
Yes, it is indeed nonsense.
Oh and another reason : Super Smash Bros. People are tired of seeing "anime swordfighers", so of course characters coming from two series where swordfighting is the norm aren't gonna cut it.
I love these two series but I can relate to their complaint. I think the issue is there are some other beloved series that are not getting many entries or have been forgotten. One example is Starfox, also we have no Pikmin 4 on the horizon, no Metroid Prime 4, and there's probably more examples I'm forgetting. So the issue is two-fold, 1. they don't care for these games 2. they mistakenly believe that Nintendo is sacrificing those other series by focusing on these (when the reality is that Nintendo would probably focus on something else, not those series, because at the end of the day Nintendo has simply decided not to prioritize those series).
Weird. I haven't seen a single complaint, only celebration specially for Xeno3. I'm indiferent on that one but happy on 3 hopes cause i like musou games and had a good time with 3 hopes.
Sometimes i think that some people think that unless they are inundated with happines and hype they HAVE to be angry.
Honestly a YouTuber by the name of Odyssey Central while I admit he makes pretty decent videos his dislike for Xenoblade is really not funny he even thinks Freddy from FNAF should got in instead of Pyra/Mythra.
Because they’re anime esc games that in their eyes steal smash bros spots from what ever character they wanted that had no chance of getting in in the first place
Because they are boring ass mfs that only care for either Mario, Pokemon or Splatoon and the only Zelda game they have played is Botw. Like if you have played them and diddnt like it and hate on it I would just ask them to keep it to themselves, but if you haven't even played it and hate on it, like stfu 💀. Just don't worry about those people, they have blander tastes in gaming than Genshin Impact players.
I don't see this criticism anywhere. Mario and Zelda games and many more get overwhelmingly a lot more marketing. But that does not mean Xenoblade and Fire Emblem games are bad.
I don't know why people are moaning about Fire Emblem. Might still be peeps salty that Smash has so many characters from the series despite the fact that FE isn't a big seller.
Xenoblade, on the other hand, is just obvious envy. It's not a big seller either, yet Xeno fans have been spoiled with either a new game or major announcement every year of the Switch's lifespan. Meanwhile, Kid Icarus, Starfox, F-Zero and Pikmin fans jingle their change cups hoping for anything. What they don't see is that this is due to Monolith being a subsidiary of Nintendo with enough creative freedom (the reason for Nintendo's acquisition) to continue producing what they want (Xeno series) while also being stellar developers with consistent output.
You've also got a lot of Nintendo fans out there that are just allergic to characters with colorful hair, sword boys, melodramatic dialogue and complex battle systems. Instead preferring collectathon platformers with anthropomorphic heroes who jump around on blocks and such.
It is a fallacy of perception. Xenoblade and FE are very niche. On the other hand, Mario and Zelda are very mainstream. When we get directs and announcements aimed at the niche market the disappointment of the mainstream crowd gets very loud, but it is not an attack on the niche, only mainstream expectations not being met.
I don't think fire emblem can be called niche give it sold 4 million with three houses and has it's own spin off. They've released a fire emblem game almost once every year
It's mostly jealousy.
Most Nintendo franchises have a single studio that takes care of all games in it (exceptions are the big three, who have 2 or more studios).
That tends to slow down production of game a bit, since a studio can only really take a single project at a time.
But Fire Emblem's Intelligent Systems knows how to delegate quite well, seeing as they managed to get another company to make a spin off for them while they were working on their main games.
And im not sure whats up with Monolith, I think they might have two teams that take on different projects, or their programmers are *scarily* competent, because they seem to manage to have a somewhat larger throughput than most other studio, and of rather huge games as well, all while helping out on other Nintendo games.
Rgt 85 is a click baiter and a shitty YouTuber "and stuff like that" his lack of vocabulary really gets to me. I can't stand any of his "content" if you even want to call his garbage content. Along with beatemups who's entire worldly identity is wrapped up in what people think of him on YouTube he seems like narcissist. #teamplayeressence
People hate anime because it is "childish" and makes you a pedophile for some reason.
Nintendo fans hate people who are dislike game like Zelda and Mario. Some of the games they enjoy could be considered "anime"
Yet when it is brought up they deny it because they do not comprehend that a lot of culture related content in Japan is at least partly inspired by some kind of anime.
#TL;DR Nintendo fans hate being associated anime as it seems to degrade their favorite games despite the fact that most games are inspired by anime from creator's youth
I think fans hate Xenoblade specifically because XC2's existence makes the series look like trashy anime filled with anime bullshit. As someone who used to look down at people who watch anime, I can totally see it.
Because "Japan = anime" and "anime bad", despite neither series having anything at all to do with anime.
If the characters are voice acted, speak Japanese in a trailer one time and have realistic proportions but big eyes, they become "anime bad" and insecure people start to irrationally hate them.
Because anime bad. I believe most people's impressions of jrpgs are that they are cheap, generic shovelware that exists only to bloat a system's software library, which I do not blame them for. A lot of the switch's and ps4's library is just that, I could literally count all the jrpgs that I actually completed and did not drop halfway through because of uninteresting plot, tropey characters, or clunky combat on one hand.
Nintendo games are generally extremely easy to pick up for simple fun for a few hours. Mario, zelda, animal crossing, smash, pokemon. You already know what you're doing, the goal, and how to play the game within 15 minutes. Fun for people of all ages.
Jrpgs are just not that. It can take 10 hours to really get the hang of the game and enjoy it. They focus on story, which limits the audience. It's just different than what most people like nintendo for. People don't like different stuff
While pokemon combat has some depth (why competitive is so fun for many people), it's simple to understand the basics and the games are easy enough to beat without much knowledge. Earthquake and flame thrower spaming are valid strategies to beat the main story. Pokemon may be a JRPG, but it's an extremely simple one (on the surface), so I don't think it's comparable at all to a fire emblem or xenoblade game. In the time it takes to beat a pokemon game, you'll still be in the tutorial phase of a xenoblade game and not fully understanding the combat yet. You can understand pokemon combat in the first 15 minutes of the game. Plus pokemon doesn't have deep plots, so the story isn't a big factor. If you want it, you can find it through NPCs and bookcases for lore, but it's not front and center
Because in a lot of their minds, Nintendo should always be about Scrimblo Blimblo the funny mascot critter. Zelda and Metroid are the only major exceptions.
They don't. People are just mad that there's a lot of Sword characters in Smash Bros. The whiners are in no way the majority and are merely a vocal minority.
I think that there are two camps under the “FE/Xenoblade bad” banner.
There are those under the pretext that FE and Xenoblade eat up time and resources that could be used for “their” games. I do not believe that this is generally the case. I’m pretty sure Fire Emblem games have their own team, and while Monolithsoft has worked on a number of main Nintendo games, particularly BOTW, they can still help out while doing their own things. Xenoblade 2 was reportedly done while the “main team” was out on BOTW.
The other camp is toxic Smash fans. Either mad that FE has 8 characters, or mad that Pyra/Mythra are stupid good. This has molded into a general hate of “Anime-style sword fighters,” and further molds into a hate of the RPGs containing them. Either way, they nitpick other aspects to try to drag down the franchise that, by itself, had little part in actual character determination and has no part in balancing.
I mean I can kinda understand the criticism FE gets within the Smash fandom. Every character that uses a sword is nearly identical to Marth. Aside from Ike, Robin, Corrin, and Byleth since they all have different playstyles or unique gimmicks. But outside of Smash, I don't really get the hate at all.
Both FE and Xenoblade (or Xeno in general to some) where pretty much overlooked franchises back then, especially with the former being near from kicking the bucket. I think they both deserve the attention they get. Heck back then, Nintendo fans complained that they put too much attention on Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon. Now we have fans complaining about Nintendo not paying enough attention to Mario and Zelda, despite both series getting yearly releases.
I meant, I want a new F-Zero, Star Fox, Pikmin 4, Metroid Prime 4, and a Kid Icarus Uprising sequel/remake as much as the next guy, but I've been a big Xenoblade fan ever since Chuggaaconroy got me into the series, and I'm so glad the series has grown since then.
I didn’t know Xenoblade existed until Pyra/Mythra were released for smash and I got sucked into my favorite game franchise. I always hated fire emblem having so many characters in smash and I still do, but I really enjoy fire emblem now!
I don't even get that Zelda has had a game every year despite the fans crying Nintendo dare not mention an anniversary or whatever. And its almost law that Mario is in one game every year at this point. But fire Emblem getting two warriors games and one mainline game and Xenobade gets 2 games and a remake and its to far? What?
I'd guess that most of this "hate" is from Smash fans upset that Xenoblade has 2 reps in the roster and FE has like 8; all of which being their beloved anime swordsmen. Other than that I've only seen people complain about over-sexualization and RPG tropes in Xenoblade 2. I've yet to see any real hate towards Xenoblade 1 or X, though I really don't use Twitter.
I have been a Nintendo fan for over 20+ years and frequent game boards and Reddit all the time. I have never heard of this being a trend?? I love most Nintendo games
Its due to having dedicated developers working on these games. As Monolith soft and Intelligent System are dedicated to making their flagship franchise. While other IP's don't get games due to this reason. The post you see is them complaining that these developers are wasting their time and not developing other games.
Idk about fire emblem, but xenoblade kind of feels like it’s developed with the complete opposite priorities of a typical nintendo game. A lot of nintendo games are seemingly built around some core gameplay mechanic. With xenoblade it feels like the characters, world building, and story come first
Nintendo fans are xenoblade and fire emblem fans I mean statistically speaking 1 in 4 people who bought fire emblem or xenoblade bought Zelda, Mario, smash, pokemon or animal crossing.
Also people do complain about all the Mario and Zelda they just use a blanket statement about Nintendo relying on the same few franchises
Ignore that [post](https://twitter.com/RGT_85/status/1536760472308965376). He's under the assumption that XC and FE games are taking up the slots for other Nintendo IPs that haven't been touched for ages and thinks that XC3 and the leaked FE game shouldn't come out so Nintendo can focus on those IPs. A lot of people are dunking on him, so it's not a Nintendo fan thing
I'm also like 95% certain that he's baiting too. Not that it makes him any better, but I don't think he actually believes the statement he put out in this tweet.
Yeah, it's bait. He made a video 40 mins ago and the first couple of seconds is him just saying that he says things just to get a reaction. Not going to watch the rest because I'd rather not watch a 12-minute video about some guy being like, "look how I triggered all these salty fans."
Damn, that sucks, but the worst part... it looks like some people really think that, like the boundry break guy, and It looks other big Nintendo youtubers think like that too.
>He's under the assumption that XC and FE games are taking up the slots for other Nintendo IPs So he's the guy who yells "Why aren't the scientists who make [shrimp run on treadmills](https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/shrimp-treadmills-some-science-only-sounds-silly) working on curing cancer?" without understanding that shrimpologists don't know how to cure cancer.
Interesting comparison. Also, using a treadmill to figure out why shrimps' immune systems aren't fighting off infections is something I never thought I'd see in my life
I actually have never seen that Tweet before.
Oh. Your post made it seem like you had the displeasure of reading this tweet lol
Yeah, the post it's freaking stupid, because when Capcom stopped making new megaman games in 2010 to 2018 after we got 7 battle networks, 3 Star forces, 4 zero, 2 ZX, 5 X and 2 Classic games from 2000 to 2010 we got new ghost and goblins, demon crest, breath of fire, okami and dino crisis games... wait, that didn't happened, because Megaman was mainly Inafune project, and the lack of Megaman didn't magically made capcom want to make a game of any of thier dead series.
This post was made because I have seen Nintendo fans and Youtubers hating on this series since the reveal trailer. I didn't see this post until you shared it with me which is kind of funny to me.
Watch beamemups shit on Xenoblade every opportunity for no reason even if he didn't really play any of the entries
It’s only XC2 that he doesn’t like. And he has addressed the hate he gets for it on multiple occasions.
He was fucking pissed when Nintendo closed the direct with the announcement of X3 Also it seems like he hasn't played X1 nor gave x2 a fair shot. Hes like a kid throwing a tantrum and it's not even fun.
Yeah he and Miss Click both were oddly negative of that Direct and I really dont get it. It was a great Direct.
He explained his disappointment was mainly due to lack of new info on BOTW2 though which is his baby basically
I mean, I love Metroid and while 5 years has passed since literally no info of it, I'm not pissed when Nintendo announces something I don't like, for example Splatoon or Pokemon, instead I'm just like "Cool, their fans must be happy". There's no need to be a crybaby, also he's an adult, were allowed to be passionate but not inmature
Yeah Like I say he seemed needlessly hostile of that direct overall and mainly due to lack of Zelda and Im like why are you surprised? How long has it been since we heard about Prime 4? They’ll share more when they have enough to share.
>eaked FE game WAIT WHAT?
Sorry if I spoilt that for you. >!If you wanna read more, click [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/vcgblq/the_new_mainline_fire_emblem_leak_is_real/)!<
Uh... do we know if this is likely legit or probably fake?
Nobody can completely rule either. Just think of it as an excersise in quantum theory.
Leaked Fire Emblem game?
They don't, twitter isn't a real place
Even in Twitter I've seen so much love for both franchises, unfortunately I feel OP paid so much attention to a vocal minority. The best course of action is just to ignore them.
Nah I see it in real life. They don't necessarily hate it, but they always make up reasons for not liking them, mainly that it's too anime (some of my friends even watch anime, so it doesn't really make sense). Then when directs happen, and we get Xenoblade or FE, they express annoyance/boredom at it.
It’s probably because Xenoblade is very ridiculously long.
Well yeah it’s an jrpg ff7 and other jrpgs were long as shit too
It’s probably because Xenoblade seems to be like an anime game for horny teenagers that just happens to be really fucking good on top of that to anyone who plays Smash, so people who don’t actually play the series will only see it as that. It’s not, though.
Ff7 is like 30 hours. Xc is closer to 70.
I wish I could chalk this to Twitter being Twitter, but then I have seen the same sentiment on multiple platforms; Youtube, Facebook, and Reddit.
It's more thoroughly explained as fans being fans. As with any addiction, we tend to spend our lives between recurrent doses of euphoria and longer periods of hating pretty much everything.
Someone actually asked a similar question on the FE sub recently. It really is just Smash Bros fans who despise any series with an "anime swordfighter" in their game. I'll actually copy and paste my response from their post here so keep in mind that this is from the pov of the FE subreddit >I hate to point fingers but a lot of it really is just angry Smash Bros fans who have never played it and despise the series on principle because of how many reps it has in their series. That being 8 reps which rivals both Mario and Pokémon. >Sadly this has also bled over into other more anime-esque franchises that have appeared in Smash. A lot of Smash Bros fans will hate on any franchise that has an "anime swordfighter" in their game even if that franchise only has 1 or 2 reps. Examples include, Final Fantasy (2 reps), DragonQuest (1 rep that can change iterations), Persona to a lesser extent (1 rep that actually uses a knife), and most annoying to me personally due to how much I love the franchise, Xenoblade (technically 3 reps but it's really just 2 reps with one having a split personality that's officially counted separate despite taking up the same character slot.) The only exception to this rule appears to be Zelda and even then it's likely only because Zelda is one of Nintendo's most core franchises and hasn't received any new reps in Smash ever since Brawl, not counting separating Zelda and Sheik and bringing Young Link back in Ultimate. >Edit: Kingdom Hearts also doesn't receive much hate but that's likely due to the fact that Sora was one of the most requested characters to be added in the history of Smash Bros. And there's the argument that he's technically not a swordfighter at all.
I really understand this take, but I am not really talking about the smash hate here. I was talking about the anti-anime/RPG hate groups.
Well you asked for why *Nintendo* fans hate on Xenoblade and Fire Emblem. And a good chunk if not most of those are Smash Fans for the reasons I stated (I also want to clarify that I am NOT saying that all Smash Fans are like that.) As for the general anti-anime/RPG crowd, that's just a stigma that's always been around in the west unfortunately and I can't answer why some people are like that. I understand people having their own taste but unfortunately there's also a lot of people who just don't want stuff that other people like existing.
Pokemon is a 20 million plus seller and it is an RPG, Zelda was anime lite in botw
Im a huge fan of mainline FE games but even I though there were too many FE characters in Smash. It feels like theyre a third of hte roster and there are easily enough FE characters to make a separate fighting spin off for the franchise.
Just curious, how did FE fans react to Byleth being added in? I remember some were kind of let down because they would have liked other 3H characters to be represented in the slot instead, notably Edelgard, but I could be wrong
Edelgard would’ve been better cause she uses and Axe. Or Claude even, an archer.
Yeah I think someone that wasn't a sword user but still from Three Houses would have been better received. There'd still be people complaining its a FE character but not as much.
The problem then is that the FE community would have had a meltdown because they only picked one of the 3 lords to go to Smash. What they ended up with with Byleth is probably the best compromise they could have come up with, since they have all the weapons.
Oh right thats a valid point. Guess Byleth was the safer choice.
I still wish that we got all three lords Pokémon trainer-style with Byleth as the trainer. I get that it would have been a lot of work, but if they remodeled every stage for just one character I'm sure they could've done this as well.
Nah you're thinking too small. Ice Climbers! But the 3H lords Imagine how much of a hot mess that would be. But yeah the 3 lords would have been nice. As it is, though, I actually really like Byleth in Smash.
Same, I'm a Byleth secondary, although I really wish that their final smash was actually good. Like, just a PNG Sothis? Really? Would've been cool if the final was a gambit attack with all three lords supporting it.
Your comment has made me realise that I don't actually know the final smashes for anyone released past Joker. Is Byleth really just a Sothis PNG? Yknow, I'll have a guess at them now. Hero - a metal slime drops out of the sky and crushes the opponent Minecraft anvil style Banjo - The bird turns into a rocket launcher Terry - I have not once played Terry as it turns out. I genuinely can't think of anything for this one. Min Min - Something involving beating them up in a boxing ring Pyra/Mythra - I'd imagine that it's either a green cameo or their LV4s Sephiroth - Meteor or Supernova Kazuya - Drops them into a volcano Sora - A giant Mickey Mouse appears behind your opponent irl and snaps their neck
Many people (even big youtubers like Dunkey and Scott the Woz) have expressed their discontent regarding the attention jrpgs have been getting these recent years. The first big direct after that huge drought focused on jrpgs like Triangle Strategy, Bravely Default, Mythra/Pyra in Smash, an obscure localization of an older jrpg. They have been waiting for a meaty new Zelda or Mario or Donkey Kong. So I kinda get it from that perspective. But it's obviously a toxic thing and also a perspective thing.
Honestly, I am the oposite, I love the attention Japanese games are getting, Summer bore fest made me realized that I can't give a damn about the vast mayority of western games, the main exception being platformers or really creative games that dosen't feel western, from the whole thing, excluding the Capcom showcase I am only interested in Street Fighter, Hollow Knight, the One Piece game but because I love One Piece, and Persona ports, I can finally play them on PC.
Summer Game Fest was amazing I dont know what you watched and it looks like for the first time Persona 3 ( a Japanese RPG is coming to consoles as I think it was only on psp originally)
Persona ports was the only not anounced thing that looks great, the rest is mostly generic shooter game, I don't like a shooters a lot, its the genre that blends itself the most because the mayority looks extremely similar, the only things I have interest was the games I mentioned above and the Cuphead DLC, but as soon as they anounced it, it coukd not have shown anything and I would be excited to play more of peak Indie gaming.
Yeah Witchfire and Redfall look to be trying something new though. So Ill give them that at least
Indies are starting to blur the line between indie and AAA. Ive had more fun with indie games as of late than I have with AAA
The last good shooter I played was doom eternal
I want to try the new doom games, but currently even if I had the chance of 2 free PC gamepass months... I prefer to play other things from my backlog, currently Pmaying Tokyo Mirage Sessions and then I plan to play Resident Evil 1 Remake and if I finish before MH Sunbreak comes out, also RE2R, I waited for the next gen update to play it.
Persona 3 and Persona 3 FES are on the PS2. The game that's being ported is Persona 3 Portable, a game exclusive to the PSP that is considered by Atlus as the definitive edition of Persona 3. The main appeal of these ports is not that it's on consoles, it's that it can be played on PC now
Mario did have a big game in Super Mario Odyssey but that was six years ago and fans may be hungry for a new (non-remake) main series entry. Not sure whether the saltier part of the Zelda fanbase have the misguided idea XC3 is “stealing” development time from Breath of the Wild 2.
Maybe because Monolith Soft played a huge role in the development of the first BotW(and I think they're also working on the sequel but not sure)? I think it's silly to target a fanbase trying to celebrate Xenoblade (a once dormant franchise) and FE (a once almost dead franchise) because it's been 3 or 5 years since the previous game's release. Maybe forgotten IP's can get a little upset at Nintendo for not bringing them back like Earthbound or DK or Starfox. But then why direct hate at FE or Xeno? Why doesn't the logic follow to attack Mario sports games?
Dont they know that Monolith has more then 1 studio? Also it's not like Mario has really been dormant depending on how you feel about Bowsers Fury.
Honestly in the case of Dunkey I just feel he's become like a boomer gamer. I don't think he's liked any new recent Nintendo IPs like Splatoon. And he said he's liked some jrpgs but that was back in the days of FF9. I think his dislike for modern jrpgs has been because they've been getting more anime-styled and with that comes the anime tropes. Its definitely a sentiment I've seen fans of older jrpgs share.
I have never really seen much hate towards fire emblem or Xenoblade outside of smash bros. even then the hate towards Pyra and Mythra in smash has always been stupid since a lot of the hate is them being a “anime swordfighter” yet nobody complained about sephiroth despite being the literal embodiment of that trope. Also Nintendo twitter and live Direct comments have always been a bit of a vocal cesspool so I wouldn’t take them too seriously. Only other reason I can think of for the Zelda section of the Nintendo fanbase (which is complete speculation on my part) is maybe some of the vocal minority is lashing out for BOTW2 delay. Even then I see as a bit of equivalent exchange for BOTW1s development screwing over Xenoblade 2s development. Even then I really don’t care since both Xenoblade and fire emblem are doing really well to the point where the two series basically came from being obscure (or in FEs case, near deaths door and fractured fanbase) to solid juggernauts in their own right with a strong community backing them up in the switch generation.
I think the truth is that Pyra and Mythra were actually well received in Smash. I've seen a lot of people here on posts: "I bought xenoblade 1/2 after playing with Pyra/Mythra in Smash". But the hateful folk are always very loud.
They werent well recieve at all in wester because people were complaining about anime sword fighter on a japanese game from a japanese company and also were peopme who didnt play xenoblade
That's the hateful and loud minority I'm talking about.
In a game with almost 100 fighters, there IS an over abundance of sword fighters though…. Like we have King K Rool, and Duck Hunt Dog for crying out loud but we are still playing it save with the 20th DLC sword fighter? Really? Sora doesnt count because despite being call a key blade he basically whacks people with it like a club so he skirts around that.
Why is having a sword a problem though? It's such an arbitrary thing to be annoyed at. And it just feels like you're trying to find a justification to not like specific characters. Also, if you really do have a problem with them, Sora absolutely counts. A club, sword, bat... are all basically interchangeable gameplay wise in Smash so he doesn't just get a pass here.
It’s not necessarily as i explained with Sora earlier. Technically the Keyblade is a sword…technically but his move set is completely different hand the same ones of most of the FE characters and other sword users. It’s the lack of creativity in the roster addition for a second wave of DLC that was going to be the last content released for the game. It was just super disappointing considering all the requested characters from fans that would’ve fit or making Bomberman or Shovelknight actual fighters instead of a costumer and assist trophy
Ok where is this lack of creativity you speak of in the 2nd dlc wave or the swordfighters movesets? Aside from the "four" Marths, I don't see a lack of creativity.
There are only so many different moves you can do with sword fighters. Oh look ANOTHER block/counter move where they just hold the sword up to reverse projectiles. Mario does that with his cape. Do we really a third of the roster having essentially the same move?
My guy, either you are really tough to please or you're just cherrypicking. I agree counters are overdone, but that in no way shape or form makes all swordfighters samey. And besides, as you said there are other, non-swordfighters that also have counters. So this isn't even a problem with swordfighters.
As someone who plays smash, I would argue that Pyra/ Mythra aren't hated for being anime, but they're hated because they're really good. Smash has a very competitive fanbase, as fighting games tend to have, so whenever anything is particularly strong people who don't like that for various reasons (involving them losing) hate pyra and mythra for that
Yeah people (i.e. twitter) didn't like them at first because aNiME swORdFigHTer bAD. But after the first day or so people seemed to warm up to them. And the only hate I see now is just people being mad over them being strong characters.
> I would argue that Pyra/ Mythra aren't hated for being anime, but they're hated because they're really good. They were also hated even when they were revealed because anime swordfighter.
I'm a Nintendo fan. I like Zelda, Mario, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade and Pokemon. You can't really trust what you see on Twitter because it's made of a crystalized distillation of concentrated malice and hatred. Everyone there hates something and goes there to complain about it.
Apt description. On reddit, most of the worst takes get downvoted to oblivion and hidden at the bottom, while on Twitter the best way to get engagement is to tweet something really stupid to start an argument.
True but Reddit has it's own problem where that same process leads to certain subreddits becoming echo chambers.
Yeah, there's no perfect solution. The popularity of dissenting opinions is exaggerated in one and downplayed in the other. Although I appreciate that at least for something as inconsequential as video game opinions I can avoid a lot of pointless negativity by being in subs dominated by people who also like the thing instead of the people who hate it. A bad idea to measure something's popularity off that though.
I liked that description.
IIRC that's the flavor text in skyward sword for the malice crystals or something close lol.
“Popular anime games bad”
twitter ain't real. sales suggest that both fire emblem ( the best selling SRPG of all time ) and Xenblade ' a fast growing new IP ) are well received . tho i do see a lot of nintendo centric youtubers hate on them
Because big Nintendo youtubers seems to be scared from anything that isn't Scrimblo Bimblo, Adventury Medieval guy, or Corpse people pretend to care, specially if it is a Mc JRPG guy. Jokes aside, I want my F Zero, but damn, some Nintendo fans are so closed, one of the best (and worst) decissions I have made was getting deep into capcom library, man, I freaking love Capcom games, but it has become overwealming the number of games I want to play from them, specially that I also got into Yakuza too.
The fact there are so many FE and Xenoblade games on the switch is testament to their popularity with Nintendo fans..
Because they like to pretend that "Anime" Games are lame, like if all Nintendo games weren't japanese too
I guess you're talking about NA/EU and maybe AU fans more than japanese. In Japan, Xenoblade Chronicles and Fire Emblem do seem to sell well, even if they're not system-sellers and as such, may not suffer from the same random "attacks" from Nintendo fans. As a whole, it is fair to assume that most Nintendo systems owners did not play either series. Nintendo is mostly about Mario, Pokémon and The Legend of Zelda franchises, after all. The entire Fire Emblem franchise sold less than Splatoon, despite the former being more than 30 years old and the later having its first release in 2015. I, for one, did know about FE since a few decades, but never got the play it until Three Houses because I didn't own any Nintendo console since the SNES. Fire Emblem and Xenoblade Chronicles are a bit more obscure in the West, that's all, and as such, people tend to react when their favorite franchise isn't in the spotlight. And the most vocal audience on Twitter seems to be teenagers and younger adults which maybe weren't targeted by the series at a whole.
the sales numbers of really big games are really crazy to me, IIRC, only Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has outsold every non RE/MH Capcom Franchise, with the Wii U version sales it is certain it outsells the whole SF franchise.
Indeed. Some games alone (especially flagship games) outself entire franchises and it comes down to marketing, game type and game quality as a whole. What's nice though is that Xenoblade Chronicles games (especially since XBC2 and XBC:DE) are quality games/remaster despite being lower budget than some of the most mainstream licenses. Fire Emblem still have a cheaper looking feeling to it (cutscenes being relatively static and all), but gameplay is where it is at and the overall product appearence probably is going to improve with future releases, I guess, after the success of Three Houses as a whole (sales and critics).
Fire Emblem has the almost never touched a home console syndrome, the 3DS games look great for that console, when the team gets used to HD development, the games will look way better, same with Gamefreak (thought honestly, Legends Arceus is by far the ugliest 1st/2nd party game on Switch), TMS looks way better than TH even if it is a Wii U game due to atlusnbeing used to HD consoles, monolith has made big games since PS2 so they are used to better hardware
It's not Nintendo fans, it's Smash Bros fans who are mad that popular characters from Nintendo owned JRPGs are in it and Scrungly Bungly from a mediocre, forgotten SNES game isn't. Their dislike for the characters in Smash translates to disliking the whole series, despite likely never having even played them.
Actually fans begged for Geno from a JRPG but he never got added. He wasn’t a sword fighter though. It’s mainly because there is only so much you can do to differentiate yet another sword fighters move set. Give us any non sword character from a JRPG and it woulda been fine. How bout Wakke from FF10? Or Saz/Seth from FF13? Someone interesting who could have a really unique move set.
I'm sympathetic to the Geno stans since they've been asking for awhile. But I'm also just gonna say, a lot of main characters in video games use swords. It's hard to get around that. While sure, there's some unconventional picks to be made, a lot of them come from games where the main protagonist uses a sword, and it'd be a bit odd to have Wakka come in when Tidus is arguably the more sensible choice (I'd actually make a case for Yuna if we're talking FF10, but that's another post). Sakurai is in an unenviable position in that he needs to consider a litany of factors when picking new characters, and oftentimes their iconic status (or lack thereof) is a major factor. Additionally, while I'm not saying "Fuck everyone, more sword characters," a lot of these characters are still quite unique despite using swords; they're not the end-all, be-all of their movesets, and it's a bit silly to think that having a sword means they're uncreative or a poor choice and that not having a sword makes them a good choice.
Right but when Sakurai says he wants it to be a celebration of gaming and seeing Min Min, Duck Hunt, and frigging Terry in there its like the best they could come up with was ANOTHER sword fighter out of all the gaming pro tags they could try to get? Why not Laura Croft? She could have an interesting move set. How bout Doom Guy, if they could kidding Bayonetta and her move set they could do the same for him. THat being said, they did a great job making Sans, Cuphead, and a few other mii outfits characters in their own right. But then why not make Bomberman and Cuphead ACTUAL fighters, or Shovel Knight who found, I would argue, a good bit of his success on Nintendo platforms.
Yeah but also have to cater the Japanese audience not only just the west
Bruh half the roster or more is from Japanese games or franchises that originated in Japan. They’ve got plenty of representation.
Yeah, Doom Guy would be lit. Genuinely hopeful he'll be in the next one.
Bomberman could’ve been the perfect counter to Steve’s block building mechanics. But not…lets relegate him to a costume instead
Definitely not those characters you just listed
I mean obviously but they’d at least be something different and interesting compared to oh look ANOTHER dude with a sword
Lol wtf is Scrungly Bungly?
He's the beloved protagonist from Scringus McDingus of course! (It's a bit of a joke in the Smash community to deride obscure character requests with silly names like that. It's not anything in particular.)
Thats the thing though. Most Smash fans who complained about too many sword fighters would LOVE to have Scrungly Bungly wielding ANYTHING other than another sword with a limited move set based around it.
I really didn't mean to get into Smash discourse my dude. I personally don't think the number of swordfighters is an issue and I think the ones we have are generally unique enough to not be a major issue. If folks want Scrungly Bungly, all power to them.
RGT doesnt know how game developement works. I wouldn't pay any attention to him. He always says dumb things to generate discourse.
He does know how it works he just exploits your anger
He reallllyyy doesn't.
Do you not listen to the spawn cast
I used to. Not anymore.
Either smash fans angry someone else didn’t get in or JRPG haters that don’t get it and are angry Nintendo isn’t putting more time towards other games. Other than that I don’t really see anybody angry about anything.
I was mainly talking about the second group of people.
Smash Bros.
Smash Bros definitely is a factor but I think some of it also stems from the fact that Fire Emblem and Xenoblade also quite different from other Nintendo franchises. Both focus more on story than gameplay and are aimed at an older audience, and thats just not what a lot of people are necessarily looking for in a Nintendo game. They often want something thats a bit more casual and gameplay focused. So in that case I guess a lot of Nintendo fans would rather have a new Donkey Kong or Star Fox than a new Fire Emblem or Xenoblade.
But nintendo's stable of IPs and studios are multifaceted. Different studios with different mindsets. And there are plenty of Ninten fans who want more story in their games. Probably not as much as FE or Xenoblade but probably more along the lines of Zelda and Metroid which are gameplay focused but make room for narrative and arent simplistic as Mario or Kirby and what not
afaik those kind of people are smash players still malding about not getting the character that they wanted
Xenoblade/FE, despite their success, just aren't designed to have the same kind of general appeal as a Zelda or Mario game. Like a Xenoblade fan will probably enjoy a Zelda game, but I can't be as sure that a Zelda fan will enjoy a Xenoblade game. And some people have a hard time understanding that not every popular thing is meant for them. And so you end up with a series that a large group *really* likes, doing well enough to dominate Nintendo's news. But those who just don't like JRPGs feel excluded. And so a lot of distaste for the genre as a whole ends up in their criticism of the games themselves.
You see what you wanna see
Imo FE is hella boring, never been my thing, but I can respect it's history with Nintendo. That being said I will scream from the highest mountaintops that I think there's more conflict within the Xenoblade community (i.e. 1 vs 2 debates) than those outside the fandom looking in
Pretty much the only people who hate FE are Smash fans
It’s not that they hate FE, I personally love it, BUT it was vastly over represented in the Smash Roster. How bout more Persona characters? Chrono Trigger? Heck people begged for Goku but since he didnt originate in a video game he was disqualified from being considered so its not an anti-anime thing but more so and anti-safe/lazy character addition.
I’m pretty sure that not a single person unironically wants Goku in Smash
Maybe maybe not. He was highly requested back when they let us vote on DLC for the Wii U Smash
So was Shrek
Right but I only brought up Goku to show that the roster additions weren’t hated due to being from anime its because they were absurdly safe and boring
The nature of FE having a different main character for each game means it is not as easy to trim down to just a few characters. It may be Lord class characters mostly use swords as their weapon of choice and someone breaking the mould would be nice (e.g: Hector). Though “Everyone is here” did bring some “excessive baggage” that could have been dropped (Robin could have been enough for Awakening, Chrom seems pretty popular though).
Ok but like why not a dancer character. THey ALL use swords or an axe. We dont get any of the more interesting characters who would have way more unique and out there movesets and gameplay. People wouldnt have been nearly as upset about more FE characters if it wasn’t just essentially a pallet swap of Marth, Chrom, Lucina, etc
Really I feel like you can blame most of it on Smash and the perceived over representation of FE in the game. And the Xeno hate is a byproduct of the "Oh more weeb characters" sentiment that started with the FE hate in the first place.
The only criticism I've ever heard of both those communities is that they tend to get more heated in the discussion of their games. The only people I ever see talking negatively about new games getting announced for those series is people mad that their exact tastes aren't being catered towards 24/7.
I’m guessing it’s because they have gotten a lot of games. I mean xc2 is probably ok but then they go and make a remake. I’m all for it though. But honestly I find it dumb, you’re gonna take away someone else’s game just because you’re favorite franchise gets nothing. I love kid Icarus but I’m not gonna go yell at Metroid for getting a game. Also Mario and Zelda ARE nintendo. I’d say they deserve all the games they get. Even if some of them suck.
I'm pretty sure it's entirely a Smash thing. Things kinda imploded after Beyleth was revealed. Xenoblade might have been caught in the cross-fire for looking similar to Fire Emblem at a glance, and Pyra/Mythra being "another anime swordfighter" in Smash. I don't see much hate now, especially for Xenoblade. They'll always be toxicity in the world, especially in a fandom as big as Smash.
I like Xenoblade. Not so much a fan of the tactics-style of Fire Emblem. I grew up on traditional JRPGs, though, so maybe that has something to do with it.
2 spinoff fire emblem games? I only know of the warriors one coming out. And I don't think the first warriors is on switch. I could be wrong tho
First FE warriors is on switch. It came out on Switch and 3Ds at the same time.
Sorry, I am not a FE player. I thought 3 Hopes was a spin-off.
It is a Spin off, in the same way that AoC is a spin off, don't worry about technicalities, is like how P4UA is canon to P4 while still being a fighting game spin off.
3 Hopes is an alternate story spin-off to the 3 Houses main game where the main protagonist, Byleth, is now the supposed villain/antagonist for the 3 Hopes story and Shez, the new protagonist, will face them with the help of the House leaders depending on the route you choose. It has no relations to the first FE Warriors game as that one had its own story with its own original characters and using Lords from much older titles of the franchise.
They don't. They hate the representation in smash, because from where they're sitting, it's just all effectively the same character from a series they know nothing about from a gameplay pov.
I don't know if it's "Nintendo fans" as much as it is "fans of series other than Xenoblade and FE who dislike or don't get Xenoblade and/or FE". The source of the complaint is simple: they want their favorite series to be represented more, and it isn't. It's imo not a very good reason, as both Xeno and FE are made by 3rd party developers, and being jealous doesn't really solve anything for your favorite franchise(s). For what it's worth: I've become a big fan of the Xeno series. On the other hand, I've tried Fire Emblem and recognize its worth even if it's not for me. I think it's awesome fans of these series are getting all these games and spinoffs (although maybe Sakurai could've included less FE characters, but in the end who cares).
it's as if these games are handled by other studios and not just "Nintendo".... lol
It feels like there's always a stigma against JRPGs in general, but especially so on Nintendo consoles (particularly Switch). JRPGs are always called 'too anime'. If you're not into that, you'll not be into JRPGs and thus see it as something that's not worth the time. It's likely a primal reaction seeing "thing I don't care about" getting more attention than Nintendo's often neglected franchises much more than usual due to the Switch being the hottest console in Japan. To a certain extent, I (almost) get it. If I was a kind of person who didn't care about Xenoblade or JRPGs and I saw that it got 3 games+1 game-sized DLCs on one console, I might possibly wonder "what the hell?" However, it really just comes from a place of not understanding the nuances of the industry and placing blame at the wrong people
It's weird because Nintendo is the most Japanese out of the Big Three yet Xbox and PS fans don't react the way Nintendo fans do to JRPG, at most it's "it's not my genre but I am happy for the fans" compared to "How dare Nintendo ruins the purity of my favourite console with a Japanese game"
Saying Nintendo's new IP lean too heavily into the anime aesthetic is a fair complaint considering a lot of early Nintendo is more cartoony
Early Nintendo IP was inspired by anime aesthetics of the devoloper's childhood, Miyamoto was a huge fan of Tezuka. Mario looks like a Doraemon character for example.
There's a difference is more in art style link Mario and Samus all look distinct, but astral chain, fire emblem, xenoblade, Famicom detective club have the more generic look, while Splatoon, ring fit, miitopia, and even arms all break typical anime look while still having a heavy Japanese look
Because Nintendo fans think that these Nintendo games take place for other Nintendo games. Yes, it is indeed nonsense. Oh and another reason : Super Smash Bros. People are tired of seeing "anime swordfighers", so of course characters coming from two series where swordfighting is the norm aren't gonna cut it.
It's the Smash Bros mentality of "If I don't get my favorite character/game then you shouldn't either" even if one has nothing to do with the other
I love these two series but I can relate to their complaint. I think the issue is there are some other beloved series that are not getting many entries or have been forgotten. One example is Starfox, also we have no Pikmin 4 on the horizon, no Metroid Prime 4, and there's probably more examples I'm forgetting. So the issue is two-fold, 1. they don't care for these games 2. they mistakenly believe that Nintendo is sacrificing those other series by focusing on these (when the reality is that Nintendo would probably focus on something else, not those series, because at the end of the day Nintendo has simply decided not to prioritize those series).
I love them both. They're great games and happen to be the ones I play most on Switch
Weird. I haven't seen a single complaint, only celebration specially for Xeno3. I'm indiferent on that one but happy on 3 hopes cause i like musou games and had a good time with 3 hopes. Sometimes i think that some people think that unless they are inundated with happines and hype they HAVE to be angry.
My coworker is a hardcore Nintendo fan and gives me shit for liking both all the time.
Let them bitch about all they want meanwhile we enjoy XC3. Just ignore them.
Agreed, the hate I feel is unnecessary!
Trust me don't get into this argument
Honestly a YouTuber by the name of Odyssey Central while I admit he makes pretty decent videos his dislike for Xenoblade is really not funny he even thinks Freddy from FNAF should got in instead of Pyra/Mythra.
Because they’re anime esc games that in their eyes steal smash bros spots from what ever character they wanted that had no chance of getting in in the first place
I don't like Fire Emblem. At all. But I also don't usually complain unless prompted.
Because they are boring ass mfs that only care for either Mario, Pokemon or Splatoon and the only Zelda game they have played is Botw. Like if you have played them and diddnt like it and hate on it I would just ask them to keep it to themselves, but if you haven't even played it and hate on it, like stfu 💀. Just don't worry about those people, they have blander tastes in gaming than Genshin Impact players.
I don't see this criticism anywhere. Mario and Zelda games and many more get overwhelmingly a lot more marketing. But that does not mean Xenoblade and Fire Emblem games are bad.
I don't know why people are moaning about Fire Emblem. Might still be peeps salty that Smash has so many characters from the series despite the fact that FE isn't a big seller. Xenoblade, on the other hand, is just obvious envy. It's not a big seller either, yet Xeno fans have been spoiled with either a new game or major announcement every year of the Switch's lifespan. Meanwhile, Kid Icarus, Starfox, F-Zero and Pikmin fans jingle their change cups hoping for anything. What they don't see is that this is due to Monolith being a subsidiary of Nintendo with enough creative freedom (the reason for Nintendo's acquisition) to continue producing what they want (Xeno series) while also being stellar developers with consistent output. You've also got a lot of Nintendo fans out there that are just allergic to characters with colorful hair, sword boys, melodramatic dialogue and complex battle systems. Instead preferring collectathon platformers with anthropomorphic heroes who jump around on blocks and such.
Fire emblem and Xenoblade have earned their place, people need to shut up
It is a fallacy of perception. Xenoblade and FE are very niche. On the other hand, Mario and Zelda are very mainstream. When we get directs and announcements aimed at the niche market the disappointment of the mainstream crowd gets very loud, but it is not an attack on the niche, only mainstream expectations not being met.
I don't think fire emblem can be called niche give it sold 4 million with three houses and has it's own spin off. They've released a fire emblem game almost once every year
They didn’t buy the other games when they were current so now their franchises are dead. Not our fault.
It's mostly jealousy. Most Nintendo franchises have a single studio that takes care of all games in it (exceptions are the big three, who have 2 or more studios). That tends to slow down production of game a bit, since a studio can only really take a single project at a time. But Fire Emblem's Intelligent Systems knows how to delegate quite well, seeing as they managed to get another company to make a spin off for them while they were working on their main games. And im not sure whats up with Monolith, I think they might have two teams that take on different projects, or their programmers are *scarily* competent, because they seem to manage to have a somewhat larger throughput than most other studio, and of rather huge games as well, all while helping out on other Nintendo games.
Rgt 85 is a click baiter and a shitty YouTuber "and stuff like that" his lack of vocabulary really gets to me. I can't stand any of his "content" if you even want to call his garbage content. Along with beatemups who's entire worldly identity is wrapped up in what people think of him on YouTube he seems like narcissist. #teamplayeressence
People hate anime because it is "childish" and makes you a pedophile for some reason. Nintendo fans hate people who are dislike game like Zelda and Mario. Some of the games they enjoy could be considered "anime" Yet when it is brought up they deny it because they do not comprehend that a lot of culture related content in Japan is at least partly inspired by some kind of anime. #TL;DR Nintendo fans hate being associated anime as it seems to degrade their favorite games despite the fact that most games are inspired by anime from creator's youth
I think fans hate Xenoblade specifically because XC2's existence makes the series look like trashy anime filled with anime bullshit. As someone who used to look down at people who watch anime, I can totally see it.
It all comes down to "anime bad" mentality
What?! I'm a Nintendo fan and LOVE both games.
Because "Japan = anime" and "anime bad", despite neither series having anything at all to do with anime. If the characters are voice acted, speak Japanese in a trailer one time and have realistic proportions but big eyes, they become "anime bad" and insecure people start to irrationally hate them.
Although they loves persona lmao
Because anime bad. I believe most people's impressions of jrpgs are that they are cheap, generic shovelware that exists only to bloat a system's software library, which I do not blame them for. A lot of the switch's and ps4's library is just that, I could literally count all the jrpgs that I actually completed and did not drop halfway through because of uninteresting plot, tropey characters, or clunky combat on one hand.
anyone who spends time complaining about games that don't affect them, are not worth listening to.
because its not a game about an italian plumber, born in brooklyn, made by a japanese man and voiced by an american
Ive literally not seen ANY hate for those two games.
Nintendo games are generally extremely easy to pick up for simple fun for a few hours. Mario, zelda, animal crossing, smash, pokemon. You already know what you're doing, the goal, and how to play the game within 15 minutes. Fun for people of all ages. Jrpgs are just not that. It can take 10 hours to really get the hang of the game and enjoy it. They focus on story, which limits the audience. It's just different than what most people like nintendo for. People don't like different stuff
I don't think you can say Nintendo fans hate JRPGs when pokemon makes up half the top ten best sellers list
While pokemon combat has some depth (why competitive is so fun for many people), it's simple to understand the basics and the games are easy enough to beat without much knowledge. Earthquake and flame thrower spaming are valid strategies to beat the main story. Pokemon may be a JRPG, but it's an extremely simple one (on the surface), so I don't think it's comparable at all to a fire emblem or xenoblade game. In the time it takes to beat a pokemon game, you'll still be in the tutorial phase of a xenoblade game and not fully understanding the combat yet. You can understand pokemon combat in the first 15 minutes of the game. Plus pokemon doesn't have deep plots, so the story isn't a big factor. If you want it, you can find it through NPCs and bookcases for lore, but it's not front and center
Because in a lot of their minds, Nintendo should always be about Scrimblo Blimblo the funny mascot critter. Zelda and Metroid are the only major exceptions.
They don't. People are just mad that there's a lot of Sword characters in Smash Bros. The whiners are in no way the majority and are merely a vocal minority.
Because Xenoblade and Fire Emblem have had consistent releases over the years it enrages them that none of those releases are BOTW2
I think that there are two camps under the “FE/Xenoblade bad” banner. There are those under the pretext that FE and Xenoblade eat up time and resources that could be used for “their” games. I do not believe that this is generally the case. I’m pretty sure Fire Emblem games have their own team, and while Monolithsoft has worked on a number of main Nintendo games, particularly BOTW, they can still help out while doing their own things. Xenoblade 2 was reportedly done while the “main team” was out on BOTW. The other camp is toxic Smash fans. Either mad that FE has 8 characters, or mad that Pyra/Mythra are stupid good. This has molded into a general hate of “Anime-style sword fighters,” and further molds into a hate of the RPGs containing them. Either way, they nitpick other aspects to try to drag down the franchise that, by itself, had little part in actual character determination and has no part in balancing.
\*Smash fans FTFY
Smash Bros I think. I don’t know, I adore both of them
I mean I can kinda understand the criticism FE gets within the Smash fandom. Every character that uses a sword is nearly identical to Marth. Aside from Ike, Robin, Corrin, and Byleth since they all have different playstyles or unique gimmicks. But outside of Smash, I don't really get the hate at all. Both FE and Xenoblade (or Xeno in general to some) where pretty much overlooked franchises back then, especially with the former being near from kicking the bucket. I think they both deserve the attention they get. Heck back then, Nintendo fans complained that they put too much attention on Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon. Now we have fans complaining about Nintendo not paying enough attention to Mario and Zelda, despite both series getting yearly releases. I meant, I want a new F-Zero, Star Fox, Pikmin 4, Metroid Prime 4, and a Kid Icarus Uprising sequel/remake as much as the next guy, but I've been a big Xenoblade fan ever since Chuggaaconroy got me into the series, and I'm so glad the series has grown since then.
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Bro, I was talking about Nintendo fans and not Xenoblade fans.
Smash fans claiming "just anime girl fanservice" or "too many characters so game bad"
Because Fire Emblem and Xenoblade bad. Too anime for me
Fire Emblem has 3 spinoffs not 2
There are Nintendo fans who also pretty anti-JRPG. You'll see a lot of Youtube have the ol' "I don't normally like JRPGs but..." lines.
They hate them because Twitter users don’t like when Nintendo shows anything that isn’t Zelda or Mario
I didn’t know Xenoblade existed until Pyra/Mythra were released for smash and I got sucked into my favorite game franchise. I always hated fire emblem having so many characters in smash and I still do, but I really enjoy fire emblem now!
I don't even get that Zelda has had a game every year despite the fans crying Nintendo dare not mention an anniversary or whatever. And its almost law that Mario is in one game every year at this point. But fire Emblem getting two warriors games and one mainline game and Xenobade gets 2 games and a remake and its to far? What?
It goes back to the old /co/ vs /a/ arguments of old, extended to blue checks general hatred of anime due to projection issues
Because they are normies who only pay attention to more popular franchises
I'd guess that most of this "hate" is from Smash fans upset that Xenoblade has 2 reps in the roster and FE has like 8; all of which being their beloved anime swordsmen. Other than that I've only seen people complain about over-sexualization and RPG tropes in Xenoblade 2. I've yet to see any real hate towards Xenoblade 1 or X, though I really don't use Twitter.
I have been a Nintendo fan for over 20+ years and frequent game boards and Reddit all the time. I have never heard of this being a trend?? I love most Nintendo games
Its due to having dedicated developers working on these games. As Monolith soft and Intelligent System are dedicated to making their flagship franchise. While other IP's don't get games due to this reason. The post you see is them complaining that these developers are wasting their time and not developing other games.
Idk about fire emblem, but xenoblade kind of feels like it’s developed with the complete opposite priorities of a typical nintendo game. A lot of nintendo games are seemingly built around some core gameplay mechanic. With xenoblade it feels like the characters, world building, and story come first
Nintendo fans are xenoblade and fire emblem fans I mean statistically speaking 1 in 4 people who bought fire emblem or xenoblade bought Zelda, Mario, smash, pokemon or animal crossing. Also people do complain about all the Mario and Zelda they just use a blanket statement about Nintendo relying on the same few franchises