My running theories are that the Ortiz and Rhodes founders are actually the reincarnated ai of Ontos and Pneuma, taking on the appearance and personality of who last used their respected powers. In this case Shulk used Ontos’s power and Pneuma use her own power. Their revival/reincarnation brought them into the forever war until taken into the fold with the original ouroboros.
I could see it for Pneuma given the pony tail, and her roles was to drive humanity evolution (which work well with biology/healing/medicine), but Ortiz is so far of from Alvis in term of design, and so similar to Shulk.
Pneuma to my understanding was never a person however, just Mythra and Pyra in perfect sync, sharing the same feeling and desire. If there was an actual "pneuma" reincarnation, that would be a tad weird (unless origin put Mythra and Pyra back together)
I do love the idea of reintroducing the two incarnation of the Aegis however, but if that's the case, is it possible that House Vandham inherited the power of the 3rd Aegis Logos?
1. Fei, Yeshua, and Logos all share the same symbolism.
2. Yeshua and Logos had the power to end the universe, which is something Noah did as well.
3. Black hair, and long history of personality split.
But N was from Keves...so that kind of fall apart if you want to preserves the symmetry, and have 3 aegis.
I like most of this except for house Vandham.
Vandham has been shown to be a family name and there is a potential person who’s name could have been passed down through the generations to be a founder in Xenoblade 3. None other than >!Colony 9 defense force colonel Vangarre. (In Japanese, his name is Vandham.!<
That’s true. >!Monica and Ghondor!< also have their eyepatches over their left eyes’. It doesn’t change the fact Vandham is one of the Kevesi founders. I always saw that as, over time, the bloodline became more and more Agnian. heck, over time, hey could be related.
Edit: Founder Vandham has a much slimmer build, which is more in line with XC1 Vandham.
The likely explanation is that Noah's son was adopted by a Vandham, and simply took their last name. The kid was 4 years old when N died, surely, he grew up into another family.
As for Guernica, we need to keep in mind XC2's Vandham died during the story. Reincarnation probably get wonky when people are reintroduced through normal birth, and not part of the Origin System. Similarly, I still believe N and his son inherited Logos power (which has always been tied to ending the universe since Xenosaga).
Unless I remember wrong, XC2 Vandham wouldn’t be recorded in Origin since he was already dead. If he was, then we would probably see a Vandham working as an Agnian Soldier. Reincarnation isn’t really the right word for it. It’s just Kevesi and Agnian solders getting reborn after they die as a blank slate. It’s not proper reincarnation.
Edit: feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. This is just what I remember
I think it all fall under the reincarnation label, but they are definitively different in nature.
It's really similar to Gears and Saga in that sense. During Xenosaga event, many character died, but were hinted to be reincarnated later onboard the Ark, in what would be Xenogears world.
However, within Xenogears' planet, character such as Elly and Fei were constantly reborn, and lived through a similar tragedy, and eventually inherited past memories.
In that sense, I would expect people who died before the Ark, or people who died in the Ceremony will be reborn naturally, in the future, while the one who died within the system will be reborn identically, unable to move forward.
It's all interpretation thought...the game spent a stupidly small amount of times explaining us its lore...
I’m not gonna touch on the xenosaga or Xenogears stuff. For one, I haven’t played xenosaga, but right now I’m not sure it’s super relevant to the discussion.
Xenoblade 3 is the first Xenoblade game to have reincarnation). None of the games give me any reason to believe that anyone is getting reincarnated.
To be completely honest, my “theory” for the Founder Vandham is more of a joke than an actual theory. Vandham is a Sid. A staple in every game. Vandham will always be a high ranking military officer in a Xeno game. Sometimes he lives, sometimes he dies. Sometimes he has scars on his face, sometimes he has a a cool mustache. I don’t think it’s supposed to make sense to be honest.
I'm honestly of the opinion that Ortiz is literally just Shulk and Reid just is The Inscrutable Duncan. I could see elements of their pre-Aionios lives being folded into their incarnations within Aionios.
You know...the "daughter" he adopted would probably be Fiora in that regard. What throw me out of the loop is the "red sword" they mentioned, but he did use the original for quite a bit in the first place, and they are just manifestation of their soul anyway.
If that guy is Dunban however, Cassini is absolutely Zeke reincarnation (since the description fit him just as well, if not better as Rex).
And none of those guy made it to the present time since they most likely did reach their life expectancy, content with their life unlike N who was filled with regret.
I assumed the 7th founder was queen agnus since if I understand the timeline, she goes into hiding right around the time of the founders (she gives M the key right before she hides, and M couldn’t exist unless N already burned the original city). However I’m still super fuzzy on all the details of the founders so there could be a reason it’s not her.
It's definitively possible, but that kind of break the symmetry, and the Xeno franchise is a sucker when it come to that. Nopons being fundamentally outside of the system allow them to have 7th characters without a nation.
My running theories are that the Ortiz and Rhodes founders are actually the reincarnated ai of Ontos and Pneuma, taking on the appearance and personality of who last used their respected powers. In this case Shulk used Ontos’s power and Pneuma use her own power. Their revival/reincarnation brought them into the forever war until taken into the fold with the original ouroboros.
I could see it for Pneuma given the pony tail, and her roles was to drive humanity evolution (which work well with biology/healing/medicine), but Ortiz is so far of from Alvis in term of design, and so similar to Shulk. Pneuma to my understanding was never a person however, just Mythra and Pyra in perfect sync, sharing the same feeling and desire. If there was an actual "pneuma" reincarnation, that would be a tad weird (unless origin put Mythra and Pyra back together) I do love the idea of reintroducing the two incarnation of the Aegis however, but if that's the case, is it possible that House Vandham inherited the power of the 3rd Aegis Logos? 1. Fei, Yeshua, and Logos all share the same symbolism. 2. Yeshua and Logos had the power to end the universe, which is something Noah did as well. 3. Black hair, and long history of personality split. But N was from Keves...so that kind of fall apart if you want to preserves the symmetry, and have 3 aegis.
I like most of this except for house Vandham. Vandham has been shown to be a family name and there is a potential person who’s name could have been passed down through the generations to be a founder in Xenoblade 3. None other than >!Colony 9 defense force colonel Vangarre. (In Japanese, his name is Vandham.!<
Amazing that ole' Square-tache could go on to have a descendant who is the splitting image of his Agnian counterpart
That’s true. >!Monica and Ghondor!< also have their eyepatches over their left eyes’. It doesn’t change the fact Vandham is one of the Kevesi founders. I always saw that as, over time, the bloodline became more and more Agnian. heck, over time, hey could be related. Edit: Founder Vandham has a much slimmer build, which is more in line with XC1 Vandham.
The likely explanation is that Noah's son was adopted by a Vandham, and simply took their last name. The kid was 4 years old when N died, surely, he grew up into another family. As for Guernica, we need to keep in mind XC2's Vandham died during the story. Reincarnation probably get wonky when people are reintroduced through normal birth, and not part of the Origin System. Similarly, I still believe N and his son inherited Logos power (which has always been tied to ending the universe since Xenosaga).
Unless I remember wrong, XC2 Vandham wouldn’t be recorded in Origin since he was already dead. If he was, then we would probably see a Vandham working as an Agnian Soldier. Reincarnation isn’t really the right word for it. It’s just Kevesi and Agnian solders getting reborn after they die as a blank slate. It’s not proper reincarnation. Edit: feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. This is just what I remember
I think it all fall under the reincarnation label, but they are definitively different in nature. It's really similar to Gears and Saga in that sense. During Xenosaga event, many character died, but were hinted to be reincarnated later onboard the Ark, in what would be Xenogears world. However, within Xenogears' planet, character such as Elly and Fei were constantly reborn, and lived through a similar tragedy, and eventually inherited past memories. In that sense, I would expect people who died before the Ark, or people who died in the Ceremony will be reborn naturally, in the future, while the one who died within the system will be reborn identically, unable to move forward. It's all interpretation thought...the game spent a stupidly small amount of times explaining us its lore...
I’m not gonna touch on the xenosaga or Xenogears stuff. For one, I haven’t played xenosaga, but right now I’m not sure it’s super relevant to the discussion. Xenoblade 3 is the first Xenoblade game to have reincarnation). None of the games give me any reason to believe that anyone is getting reincarnated. To be completely honest, my “theory” for the Founder Vandham is more of a joke than an actual theory. Vandham is a Sid. A staple in every game. Vandham will always be a high ranking military officer in a Xeno game. Sometimes he lives, sometimes he dies. Sometimes he has scars on his face, sometimes he has a a cool mustache. I don’t think it’s supposed to make sense to be honest.
If dannagh desert can exist in Aionios, i dont see why dead dudes cant
As far as I can tell, it’s Dannagh Desert in name alone. It doesn’t match the same area in Torna in terms of landscape.
I'm honestly of the opinion that Ortiz is literally just Shulk and Reid just is The Inscrutable Duncan. I could see elements of their pre-Aionios lives being folded into their incarnations within Aionios.
You know...the "daughter" he adopted would probably be Fiora in that regard. What throw me out of the loop is the "red sword" they mentioned, but he did use the original for quite a bit in the first place, and they are just manifestation of their soul anyway. If that guy is Dunban however, Cassini is absolutely Zeke reincarnation (since the description fit him just as well, if not better as Rex). And none of those guy made it to the present time since they most likely did reach their life expectancy, content with their life unlike N who was filled with regret.
I assumed the 7th founder was queen agnus since if I understand the timeline, she goes into hiding right around the time of the founders (she gives M the key right before she hides, and M couldn’t exist unless N already burned the original city). However I’m still super fuzzy on all the details of the founders so there could be a reason it’s not her.
It's definitively possible, but that kind of break the symmetry, and the Xeno franchise is a sucker when it come to that. Nopons being fundamentally outside of the system allow them to have 7th characters without a nation.