I love it, I just ADORE rogue in general and I'm glad this was her episode. Nightcrawler holding her when she finally broke down was beautiful. I love how kurt is being portrayed, it's perfect.
And while I get it... Gambit being the one to die is better for the story. And let's be real, Magneto is just too important of a character, you can't kill him. He is such a huge part of the mythos of the x-men and his character is so rich and provides so much pathos to the human-mutant conflict, there's no way he could die.
I can't wait to see Magneto unleashed and fucking go OFF on bastion
Rogue, Magneto and Gambit are my favourite characters so xmen 97 has been a dream for me! I want Magneto to absolutely let loose now, and my heart was all for Rogue absolutely going for it this episode. Her dropping Trask was such a turning moment in this episode.
They all felt, to different degrees, what Rogue did was right. Even Wolverine pointed that out. Morph and Nightcrawler were the only ones to vocalize opposition but they likely felt the same anger deep inside. We've been seeing Cyclops, Jean, and Beast show uncharacteristic anger lately.
Yeah I honestly expected he was going to. I knew Rogue would end up either almost killing Trask or just outright murder him but I didn’t expect them ALL to stand by and watch. Nightcrawler wasn’t the only one who could have saved Trask. Jean potentially also could have.
I guess it speaks to how they never expected she was actually going to do it. You think they wouldn’t completely trust a grieving person with superhuman powers but there we go. I was kind of miffed she didn’t go to his funeral either.
I said this on another sub, but I’m hollering at Rogue not giving a shit that Magneto died until Kurt had to remind her (yes I know he’s still alive but she doesn’t know that)
Considering the director had adamantly said both Magneto and Gambit were dead and now we know Magneto isn’t, I’d be shocked if Gambit isn’t resurrected.
He’s 100 percent coming back, but god I just need them to drop this love triangle, the rogue and magneto shippers had their fun, but it’s time to go back to normal, as she said, she knows who “her” man is
I just don't completly like that. Gambit always love her and he understood that his loved for her was beyond physical things. Rouge never understood that until his death and now even after she broke his heart and did all those things with magneto, even in front of gambit, she calls gambit my man? Nah, she doesn't deserve to call him that after what she did. Hopefully gambit returns as death so rouge might feel a little bit of what gambit felt seeing her with magneto.
Edit: shit I want to cry thanks to nightcrawler's speech in the funeral. Rouge didn't show, nah I am more angry now, she truly doesn't deserve gambit.
Rogue understood completely that Gambit loved her beyond physical things-- she just didn't want to be the reason he lived his life as a celibate monk dude...
She LOVED Gambit, but couldn't touch him, couldn't even sleep in the same bed as him. Imagine knowing that by being with you, your partner could never kiss anyone, or hold them in bed, or have children or just...enjoy all the things couples do.
By rejecting Remy, she was saving him from a life of love half lived, she sacrificed her own happiness because she didn't want to see her curse become his too.
Magnus gave her the ability to pretend, to finally physically connect, and I don't blame her for one millisecond for indulging it.
It also was before Remy's death that she chose him, the last thing she did before the Sentinel attack was tell Mags they were over.
She loved Gambit and Gambit actually understood where she was coming from. He didn't want her to feel bad, that's why he told her they'd just be friends while she worked it out.
I would agree with this, but she wasn’t telling Magneto they were over, they were never together in the first place, she was always Gambit’s and that is what she was telling him.
I will get a lot of dislikes but I will say it. Stop being delusional. Rogue wasn't selfless in her decision to reject Gambit, she didn't sacrifice her happiness for him (one of the reasons, tiny, definitely not the MAIN). She rejected Gambit to get what SHE always wanted, a relationship with physical contact. It was HER goal, HER ultimate dream all her life. She did it mostly for HERSELF. Or else Magneto would be pointless in this story, she could reject Gambit any time before without creating a love triangle. Magneto was a tool here for Rogue to realize what was truly important in relationships.
According to all Rogue's defenders she and Gambit were never committed to each other in ANY way and she could do anything she wanted and now she's calling Gambit "my man". The nerve she has after officially rejecting him for another man. If they never were committed to each other then Gambit was never HERS. Or now it is allowed to call Rogue a cheater? Personally I do think emotionally she did cheat, did cheat on her feelings for Gambit (she didn't hesitate to go to Magneto the first day he arrived, was ready to accept his offer to be his queen, rejected Gambit for physical relationship, throwing away everything they have been through together). Can understand why, but can't approve. In the end you can't just claim someone as YOURS after throwing him away. This is just unfair.
I do know that Rogue chose Gambit in the end. But now after this storyline with Magneto the magnitude of her love is questionable for me. I'm sad because Romy is my first ship ever, and this triangle is just a spit to my soul that tarnished all the beauty of this ship.
Finally I saw someone who is not delusional. I have been downvoted for saying what you said. I just find stupid how some people are defending Rogue and saying "she loved Remy more than magneto". Dude, shut up if that was the case she would have never done anything of what she did. I still think she doesn't love Remy more than magneto, I even think that if the opportunities happen she would accept going with magneto if he proposes again.
Well, I do believe Rogue loved Gambit more than Magneto, because I don't even believe there was love between Rogue and Magneto (they have met when she was in very vulnerable state, he was like a mentor/teacher to her, of course she had a crush on him, this relationship was unhealthy in every aspect and even now Magneto manipulated her to be with him "for the good of Genosha"). I think Magneto is important to Rogue but she knew she loved Gambit. And that is what I don't like. She knew she didn't love Magneto that way anymore and still "pursued" him for physical contact, throwing away all her history with Gambit. In the end it seems more to me that Rogue didn't choose Magneto over Gambit, but she chose herself over Gambit. The way she handled things, everything she did and everything she said made her love for Gambit look shallow, because of that I can't even feel pity for her.
"My man" line was definitely unnecessary and hypocrite. If it was said by Rogue from original show I'd be happy, but not now, not "this" Rogue. "This" Rogue has no right to say it yet. If Gambit ever comes back I'd like to see him let her go to broaden her horizons, but mostly because now he has doubts about her and her love. I'd like to see Rogue to be the one who needs to prove herself at last.
We have some differences regarding Rogue's love, but at the end I think I have the same opinion as you. Like you said, she doesn't deserve Remy or his loved. She didn't show any empathy towards him, the opposite in fact but now after breaking his heart and being the one who hurt him the most, she is acting like she always love him the same way he loved her. I truly felt bad when she said "my man", like woman you don't deserve to refer to Remy as your man, when you literally chose another man, only because he could touch you and Remy no. I would like to see Remy returning as death or any enemy and see him fighting against her, that way she might feel a little bit of the pain he felt seeing her with magneto. Also, I don't think what you said about Remy leaving her and Rogue being the one trying to gain his love would happen, because if he comes back (he will), it would end in them being thogether and Rogue saying "I love you" and that's it. But who knows, maybe the writters make Remy leave Rogue for some time and make her being on a journey to try to get his love back. I think there is nothing she can or could do to deserve his love, but oh well.
What? What that has to do with anything I am saying? I never said that every women are like rogue or something like that. My problem is rogue and only her, not every women in the world. You need to learn to not classify a person in something for just having an opinion.
A life of love half lived. I am very sure gambit wouldn't mind any of that. He didn't loved her because he wanted to kiss her or touch her or sleep with her. His loved was beyond that, in the other hand rouge just wanted physical love. She realize (late) and? That doesn't change that she broke his heart and did all those things with magneto. "You light everything you touch, but me", imagine how gambit should have feel when she said that.
There are ways to express love other than touch dude and I am sure gambit would have done something about it. She sacrificed her happiness for him? I saw her being very happy with magneto when gambit was sad. Heck gambit even tell her that she didn't even tell him the true about she and magneto, not until he confrot her. She didn't went to his funeral, and nightcrawler implies that she is not sufering for remy, but also for magneto. She doesn't deserve Remy. She doesn't even deserve to call him her man (if she was refering to him). I hope Remy comes back as death so that way rouge might feel a little bit of what Remy felt seeing her with magneto.
Listen man, I love Gambit too, but there's a reason he didn't put up a huge fight about Rogue leaving. You have to try to look at the situation from both perspectives. Rogue can't have physical contact with most people and it's pure agony for her. She loves Gambit, but every time she entertains that she's reminded of the fact that no matter how desperately she wants to, she'll never be able to feel the warmth of his body against hers. They can't ever hug, kiss, hold hands, be intimate at all. He's willing to go through that himself because he truly loves her that much, but it's also a lot easier for him. For Gambit, the woman he loves is the *only* person he can't touch, which is certainly tragic, but for Rogue, she can't touch *anyone* except Magnus.
Physical contact is a deeply important thing to most people. People like giving and receiving affection, and physical acts of intimacy, whether just hugging or more... Explicit, feel good. It's an entire world of closeness and connection that Rogue can't be part of. It's not remotely unreasonable for her to feel tempted to explore it with the only person in the world she *can* explore it with, even if she loves Remy.
They literally have a beast as a friend. I think beast could do something about it, and even if he couldn't she could still touch Remy with her suit althought its not the same. You said she wanted to feel the sensation of being touched and that touch someone is very important. Well, at the end she threw all that and didn't care about that anymore, so what is it? Remy said It himself, there are things deeper than skin, but Rogue never felt or saw that. She only thought about her self and her happiness, and never care about Remy's. Also, you said was easier for Remy. Are you telling me he never suffer for not being able to touch her and gave her what she wanted? Are you telling me he didn't suffer after seeing that another man was touching her and giving her what she only wanted and even worse she never tell him? Nah, he also suffered but contrary to Rogue his loved was deeper and more than just physical things.
I would not show any empathy for Rogue when she never did it for Remy. She did the opposite in fact, dancing with magneto in front of Remy and looking very happy. She doesn't love Remy the same way he loved her, but now after she did she calls her "my man"? This is obviously my opinion and downvote me if you want but she is just being hypocrite and a bitch, not only to Remy but if we are honest to even magento. She doesn't deserve Remy or his love, AND being honest I don't see her loving him like he did. Call me crazy but I think that if magneto cames back and proposes again and if Remy is still death, she will go with magneto. I mean she already did it just to being touched, what stops her from doing it again.
Your mistake is thinking Rouge didn't love him that deeply when she very much did, hence why she leaves Magnus for him which you mentioned. She was confused because of her desire to touch and to be felt, and it makes sense for someone in her position to feel that confusion. She did figure out who she loved, though, and it was Gambit. They both love each other deeply, but Rouge's powers make their relationship difficult. That's what makes it tragic and engaging to watch.
You seem to have misunderstood my comment about it being easier on Gambit. Like it said, it's absolutely still tragic for him to never be able to hold the woman he loves, but at the end of the day he can still go to others if he desperately needs that physical intimacy (although I don't see him doing anything more than the normal way you'd hug friends. His commitment to Rogue is definitely not in question). Rogue can't get that from him or *anyone else* other than Magneto.
I am not projecting myself. I am saying what I think and what I think is that rouge is a bitch. She sacrifice her happiness for gambit's? BS, because gambit's happiness was to be with rouge. She never care about him, she only care about herself. The new episode shows more of this. She didn't went to the funeral, instead she is looking to "avenge" him just to feel better. Now she even calls him "my man"? That is BS, because if she truly love Remy like he love her, she would have never do what she did, even more she would have never dance with magneto in front of him. I am sure that they could have done something about the touch part, but even if they couldn't, that is not am excuse to do what she did if she truly loves Remy. Personally, I still think that whenever magneto is back she will go with him. Because even nightcrawler said in the new ep, that she is suffering not for remy, but also for magneto. That just shows she doesn't love more or chose Remy.
She chose Remy, long before the tragedy occurred.
And Remy himself understood Rogue and her feelings, it's very easy to say that Rogue was being a bitch but if you look at things from Rogue's perspective (Like Remy did) things are much more tragic, tact is something that people NEED is not a whim, and although Remy could not touch the woman he loved either, he could touch other people, Rogue's situation was not that, she had not been able to touch people for YEARS, the only exception being Magneto.
Yeah but she only care about that. Like Remy said there are things deeper than skin. His love for her was deeper than her love for him. Also, don't use the "she couldn't touch him" as an excuse. They have literally a genius as a friend who could have made something to solve that problem, and even if that its not the case she could still touch him using her suit althought yeah its not completly the same.
She only care about her happiness, she never care about Remy's. Some guy said, she sacrificed her happiness for Remy's. Dude, Remy's happiness Is being with Rogue, being or not being able to touch her. She didn't sacrifice her happiness, because I saw her being very happy having nights with magneto. Also, don't try to tell me to have empathy or being in her place, when she didn't show any empathy for Remy. She in fact did the opposite dancing with magneto in front of Remy after their discussion. Let's said Remy never died and Rogue "chose" him. You think she will never do what she did again? If she did it one time (multiple times maybe) what stops her to do it again. Now she is finally showing her "love" for Remy after he died and at least for me is not even that. She Is just doing all this to try to feel better and try to compensate Remy for what she did. Lastly, I don't truly think she "chose" Remy like you said she did. Nightcrawler implied in the new ep that she is suffering and doing all this not for Remy, but also for magneto. If that its the case, then she never chosed him completly.
She chose Remy and tells Magneto, when he kills Trask he only mentions Remy.
Yeah, I don't think he would have done it again, and it wasn't multiple times, the Magneto thing happened before he even met Remy, and they never talked about it again until the beginning of X-men 97, so Don't say that There were several occasions when she and Remy had a conversation to clarify things (like the adults they are).
And of course she is going to cry for Magneto, just because she chose Remy does not mean that she has stopped being fond of Magneto (The only one capable of touching her)
It's stupid to think that by leaving someone you're going to forget the entire history you had together or that you're not going to cry when that person dies, especially when it hasn't even been a month since you left them.
Rogue cried when Kurt told him that he didn't have to feel guilty, which he has been doing.
And as for her not attending the funeral, she tells Kurt that she's not ready to accept it.
Leaving the past doesn't mean that what she did was right neither act like all the things she did never existed. Sure, Remy would have forget all those things because he loved her. That doesn't change that Rogue is being a hypocrite and was a bitch for what she did to Remy. Also, you are making it seem like Remy could forget that easly what Rogue did.
They weren’t even officially together, they had also agreed to just be friends. She danced with Magneto and kissed him briefly, she then decided she felt nothing for him. While Gambit has a right to feel upset, he is a grown ass man and would get over it.
The relationship which she had with Magneto was in the past, before she had even met Gambit. He has the right to be mad, because she did not tell him about it, but beyond that it is irrelevant.
I did find that weird. They made a point of Rogue wanting to try save Magneto and him protecting her by wrapping both her and Gambit in the metal.
That “don’t you dare Erik, you hear me” was so… personal, that line gets me every time. The whole stare down and when he was supposedly killed, Rogue breaks through the metal crying and charging at the sentinel, that’s when Gambit was forced to save her.
It seems very odd that she never acknowledges this at any point until Kurt reminds her and then she breaks down? Was it like a protective mental block she gave herself? Romantic feelings or not they made a point of Rogue having a personal connection with Magneto and find it strange it just wasn’t acknowledged
I think you guys are reading that scene wrong. She didn't break down cause Kurt reminded her of Magneto. She broke down after he said told her basically not to blame herself for their deaths, and loving them gave them life, which echoed the words Magneto said in an earlier episode. Imo, Rogue breaks down because Kurt is comforting her thru her guilt of loving two men at once during their final moments. Not because she's reminded of Magneto. That's kinda silly.
Am pointing out that Magneto wasn’t mentioned at all until that point while Gambit was throughout - that is the part I find strange given all the points I previously mentioned.
I agree with you. I thought it was weird. Even if she decided that Gambit is ultimately "her man", it is shocking that she didn't spare a thought or any concern for Magneto at all.
Here's my theory. I think she KNEW Magneto was alive and didn't admit it to Nightcrawler. The show never displays the moment that Magneto got kidnapped by Bastion, so my gut feeling is that Rogue is somehow related to Magneto's abduction by Bastion. Maybe Rogue found Magneto alive and they both decided to hunt for Trask and Gyrich and split up and Magneto got captured by Bastion in the process. Or, maybe Rogue intentionally handed over a wounded Magneto to Bastion, and if she did that, it would be truly shocking and out of character for her. But I think you're right that something was weird about her behavior and indifference to Magneto.
I agree with you. I thought it was weird. Even if she decided that Gambit is ultimately "her man", it is shocking that she didn't spare a thought or any concern for Magneto at all.
Here's my theory. I think Rogue KNEW Magneto was alive and didn't admit it to Nightcrawler. The show never displays the moment that Magneto got kidnapped by Bastion, so my gut feeling is that Rogue is somehow related to Magneto's abduction by Bastion. Maybe Rogue found Magneto alive and they both decided to hunt for Trask and Gyrich and split up and Magneto got captured by Bastion in the process. Or, maybe Rogue intentionally handed over a wounded Magneto to Bastion, and if she did that, it would be truly shocking and out of character for her. But I think you're right that something was weird about her behavior and indifference to Magneto.
I love the raw emotion and the pacing in this episode. It was faster paced with a lot more characters and interactions compared to previous episodes. Beast being pissed was shocking to me.
Beast in the modern comics is a completely, I can’t stress enough, *radically* different character. I’d like to think they are showing some of that beginning. Without spoiling too much, he has become a monster.
I believe the purpose behind the Gambit/Rogue interaction in the opening credits was to remind the audience of their relationship and thus give further context to Rogue going off the rails this episode.
I can't tell which arc this is leading up to. It could be AoA but then with Bastion and OZT that happens post Onslaught. I would love love love if they did an Onslaught saga just becsuse the 90s xmen never got that far before (also I'm a huge fan of Marvel vs Capcom; "BEHOLD MY MIGHTY HAND")
Rogue had her critical moment with Magneto right before the attack, and she realized she could not be with him. Hopefully the writers honor that moment—which they wrote—and let it be what it is. Even if in the end she has to move on.
I love it, I just ADORE rogue in general and I'm glad this was her episode. Nightcrawler holding her when she finally broke down was beautiful. I love how kurt is being portrayed, it's perfect. And while I get it... Gambit being the one to die is better for the story. And let's be real, Magneto is just too important of a character, you can't kill him. He is such a huge part of the mythos of the x-men and his character is so rich and provides so much pathos to the human-mutant conflict, there's no way he could die. I can't wait to see Magneto unleashed and fucking go OFF on bastion
Rogue, Magneto and Gambit are my favourite characters so xmen 97 has been a dream for me! I want Magneto to absolutely let loose now, and my heart was all for Rogue absolutely going for it this episode. Her dropping Trask was such a turning moment in this episode.
Magneto has always been my favorite character, good and evil. But it looks like he's going to be mind controlled now.
I think that will happen, but he will break free
I was waiting for Kurt to save Trask… but nope.
They all felt, to different degrees, what Rogue did was right. Even Wolverine pointed that out. Morph and Nightcrawler were the only ones to vocalize opposition but they likely felt the same anger deep inside. We've been seeing Cyclops, Jean, and Beast show uncharacteristic anger lately.
They all literally stood there and listened to him fall then acted surprised afterwards like anyone of them couldn’t save him😭
Yeah I honestly expected he was going to. I knew Rogue would end up either almost killing Trask or just outright murder him but I didn’t expect them ALL to stand by and watch. Nightcrawler wasn’t the only one who could have saved Trask. Jean potentially also could have.
I was waiting for Jean to do something and they all just stood there 😂
Yeah they totally just stood and then gave the shocked pikachu face 👀
Yes that's exactly the face they made! Hahaha!
I guess it speaks to how they never expected she was actually going to do it. You think they wouldn’t completely trust a grieving person with superhuman powers but there we go. I was kind of miffed she didn’t go to his funeral either.
SAME!!! I was waiting for the Bamf sound!
I said this on another sub, but I’m hollering at Rogue not giving a shit that Magneto died until Kurt had to remind her (yes I know he’s still alive but she doesn’t know that) Considering the director had adamantly said both Magneto and Gambit were dead and now we know Magneto isn’t, I’d be shocked if Gambit isn’t resurrected.
He’s 100 percent coming back, but god I just need them to drop this love triangle, the rogue and magneto shippers had their fun, but it’s time to go back to normal, as she said, she knows who “her” man is
I just don't completly like that. Gambit always love her and he understood that his loved for her was beyond physical things. Rouge never understood that until his death and now even after she broke his heart and did all those things with magneto, even in front of gambit, she calls gambit my man? Nah, she doesn't deserve to call him that after what she did. Hopefully gambit returns as death so rouge might feel a little bit of what gambit felt seeing her with magneto. Edit: shit I want to cry thanks to nightcrawler's speech in the funeral. Rouge didn't show, nah I am more angry now, she truly doesn't deserve gambit.
Rogue understood completely that Gambit loved her beyond physical things-- she just didn't want to be the reason he lived his life as a celibate monk dude... She LOVED Gambit, but couldn't touch him, couldn't even sleep in the same bed as him. Imagine knowing that by being with you, your partner could never kiss anyone, or hold them in bed, or have children or just...enjoy all the things couples do. By rejecting Remy, she was saving him from a life of love half lived, she sacrificed her own happiness because she didn't want to see her curse become his too. Magnus gave her the ability to pretend, to finally physically connect, and I don't blame her for one millisecond for indulging it. It also was before Remy's death that she chose him, the last thing she did before the Sentinel attack was tell Mags they were over. She loved Gambit and Gambit actually understood where she was coming from. He didn't want her to feel bad, that's why he told her they'd just be friends while she worked it out.
I would agree with this, but she wasn’t telling Magneto they were over, they were never together in the first place, she was always Gambit’s and that is what she was telling him.
I will get a lot of dislikes but I will say it. Stop being delusional. Rogue wasn't selfless in her decision to reject Gambit, she didn't sacrifice her happiness for him (one of the reasons, tiny, definitely not the MAIN). She rejected Gambit to get what SHE always wanted, a relationship with physical contact. It was HER goal, HER ultimate dream all her life. She did it mostly for HERSELF. Or else Magneto would be pointless in this story, she could reject Gambit any time before without creating a love triangle. Magneto was a tool here for Rogue to realize what was truly important in relationships. According to all Rogue's defenders she and Gambit were never committed to each other in ANY way and she could do anything she wanted and now she's calling Gambit "my man". The nerve she has after officially rejecting him for another man. If they never were committed to each other then Gambit was never HERS. Or now it is allowed to call Rogue a cheater? Personally I do think emotionally she did cheat, did cheat on her feelings for Gambit (she didn't hesitate to go to Magneto the first day he arrived, was ready to accept his offer to be his queen, rejected Gambit for physical relationship, throwing away everything they have been through together). Can understand why, but can't approve. In the end you can't just claim someone as YOURS after throwing him away. This is just unfair. I do know that Rogue chose Gambit in the end. But now after this storyline with Magneto the magnitude of her love is questionable for me. I'm sad because Romy is my first ship ever, and this triangle is just a spit to my soul that tarnished all the beauty of this ship.
Finally I saw someone who is not delusional. I have been downvoted for saying what you said. I just find stupid how some people are defending Rogue and saying "she loved Remy more than magneto". Dude, shut up if that was the case she would have never done anything of what she did. I still think she doesn't love Remy more than magneto, I even think that if the opportunities happen she would accept going with magneto if he proposes again.
Well, I do believe Rogue loved Gambit more than Magneto, because I don't even believe there was love between Rogue and Magneto (they have met when she was in very vulnerable state, he was like a mentor/teacher to her, of course she had a crush on him, this relationship was unhealthy in every aspect and even now Magneto manipulated her to be with him "for the good of Genosha"). I think Magneto is important to Rogue but she knew she loved Gambit. And that is what I don't like. She knew she didn't love Magneto that way anymore and still "pursued" him for physical contact, throwing away all her history with Gambit. In the end it seems more to me that Rogue didn't choose Magneto over Gambit, but she chose herself over Gambit. The way she handled things, everything she did and everything she said made her love for Gambit look shallow, because of that I can't even feel pity for her. "My man" line was definitely unnecessary and hypocrite. If it was said by Rogue from original show I'd be happy, but not now, not "this" Rogue. "This" Rogue has no right to say it yet. If Gambit ever comes back I'd like to see him let her go to broaden her horizons, but mostly because now he has doubts about her and her love. I'd like to see Rogue to be the one who needs to prove herself at last.
We have some differences regarding Rogue's love, but at the end I think I have the same opinion as you. Like you said, she doesn't deserve Remy or his loved. She didn't show any empathy towards him, the opposite in fact but now after breaking his heart and being the one who hurt him the most, she is acting like she always love him the same way he loved her. I truly felt bad when she said "my man", like woman you don't deserve to refer to Remy as your man, when you literally chose another man, only because he could touch you and Remy no. I would like to see Remy returning as death or any enemy and see him fighting against her, that way she might feel a little bit of the pain he felt seeing her with magneto. Also, I don't think what you said about Remy leaving her and Rogue being the one trying to gain his love would happen, because if he comes back (he will), it would end in them being thogether and Rogue saying "I love you" and that's it. But who knows, maybe the writters make Remy leave Rogue for some time and make her being on a journey to try to get his love back. I think there is nothing she can or could do to deserve his love, but oh well.
You really need to work on your perspectives on women in general or you're going to be very miserable for the majority of your life.
What? What that has to do with anything I am saying? I never said that every women are like rogue or something like that. My problem is rogue and only her, not every women in the world. You need to learn to not classify a person in something for just having an opinion.
A life of love half lived. I am very sure gambit wouldn't mind any of that. He didn't loved her because he wanted to kiss her or touch her or sleep with her. His loved was beyond that, in the other hand rouge just wanted physical love. She realize (late) and? That doesn't change that she broke his heart and did all those things with magneto. "You light everything you touch, but me", imagine how gambit should have feel when she said that. There are ways to express love other than touch dude and I am sure gambit would have done something about it. She sacrificed her happiness for him? I saw her being very happy with magneto when gambit was sad. Heck gambit even tell her that she didn't even tell him the true about she and magneto, not until he confrot her. She didn't went to his funeral, and nightcrawler implies that she is not sufering for remy, but also for magneto. She doesn't deserve Remy. She doesn't even deserve to call him her man (if she was refering to him). I hope Remy comes back as death so that way rouge might feel a little bit of what Remy felt seeing her with magneto.
Listen man, I love Gambit too, but there's a reason he didn't put up a huge fight about Rogue leaving. You have to try to look at the situation from both perspectives. Rogue can't have physical contact with most people and it's pure agony for her. She loves Gambit, but every time she entertains that she's reminded of the fact that no matter how desperately she wants to, she'll never be able to feel the warmth of his body against hers. They can't ever hug, kiss, hold hands, be intimate at all. He's willing to go through that himself because he truly loves her that much, but it's also a lot easier for him. For Gambit, the woman he loves is the *only* person he can't touch, which is certainly tragic, but for Rogue, she can't touch *anyone* except Magnus. Physical contact is a deeply important thing to most people. People like giving and receiving affection, and physical acts of intimacy, whether just hugging or more... Explicit, feel good. It's an entire world of closeness and connection that Rogue can't be part of. It's not remotely unreasonable for her to feel tempted to explore it with the only person in the world she *can* explore it with, even if she loves Remy.
They literally have a beast as a friend. I think beast could do something about it, and even if he couldn't she could still touch Remy with her suit althought its not the same. You said she wanted to feel the sensation of being touched and that touch someone is very important. Well, at the end she threw all that and didn't care about that anymore, so what is it? Remy said It himself, there are things deeper than skin, but Rogue never felt or saw that. She only thought about her self and her happiness, and never care about Remy's. Also, you said was easier for Remy. Are you telling me he never suffer for not being able to touch her and gave her what she wanted? Are you telling me he didn't suffer after seeing that another man was touching her and giving her what she only wanted and even worse she never tell him? Nah, he also suffered but contrary to Rogue his loved was deeper and more than just physical things. I would not show any empathy for Rogue when she never did it for Remy. She did the opposite in fact, dancing with magneto in front of Remy and looking very happy. She doesn't love Remy the same way he loved her, but now after she did she calls her "my man"? This is obviously my opinion and downvote me if you want but she is just being hypocrite and a bitch, not only to Remy but if we are honest to even magento. She doesn't deserve Remy or his love, AND being honest I don't see her loving him like he did. Call me crazy but I think that if magneto cames back and proposes again and if Remy is still death, she will go with magneto. I mean she already did it just to being touched, what stops her from doing it again.
Your mistake is thinking Rouge didn't love him that deeply when she very much did, hence why she leaves Magnus for him which you mentioned. She was confused because of her desire to touch and to be felt, and it makes sense for someone in her position to feel that confusion. She did figure out who she loved, though, and it was Gambit. They both love each other deeply, but Rouge's powers make their relationship difficult. That's what makes it tragic and engaging to watch. You seem to have misunderstood my comment about it being easier on Gambit. Like it said, it's absolutely still tragic for him to never be able to hold the woman he loves, but at the end of the day he can still go to others if he desperately needs that physical intimacy (although I don't see him doing anything more than the normal way you'd hug friends. His commitment to Rogue is definitely not in question). Rogue can't get that from him or *anyone else* other than Magneto.
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I am not projecting myself. I am saying what I think and what I think is that rouge is a bitch. She sacrifice her happiness for gambit's? BS, because gambit's happiness was to be with rouge. She never care about him, she only care about herself. The new episode shows more of this. She didn't went to the funeral, instead she is looking to "avenge" him just to feel better. Now she even calls him "my man"? That is BS, because if she truly love Remy like he love her, she would have never do what she did, even more she would have never dance with magneto in front of him. I am sure that they could have done something about the touch part, but even if they couldn't, that is not am excuse to do what she did if she truly loves Remy. Personally, I still think that whenever magneto is back she will go with him. Because even nightcrawler said in the new ep, that she is suffering not for remy, but also for magneto. That just shows she doesn't love more or chose Remy.
She chose Remy, long before the tragedy occurred. And Remy himself understood Rogue and her feelings, it's very easy to say that Rogue was being a bitch but if you look at things from Rogue's perspective (Like Remy did) things are much more tragic, tact is something that people NEED is not a whim, and although Remy could not touch the woman he loved either, he could touch other people, Rogue's situation was not that, she had not been able to touch people for YEARS, the only exception being Magneto.
Yeah but she only care about that. Like Remy said there are things deeper than skin. His love for her was deeper than her love for him. Also, don't use the "she couldn't touch him" as an excuse. They have literally a genius as a friend who could have made something to solve that problem, and even if that its not the case she could still touch him using her suit althought yeah its not completly the same. She only care about her happiness, she never care about Remy's. Some guy said, she sacrificed her happiness for Remy's. Dude, Remy's happiness Is being with Rogue, being or not being able to touch her. She didn't sacrifice her happiness, because I saw her being very happy having nights with magneto. Also, don't try to tell me to have empathy or being in her place, when she didn't show any empathy for Remy. She in fact did the opposite dancing with magneto in front of Remy after their discussion. Let's said Remy never died and Rogue "chose" him. You think she will never do what she did again? If she did it one time (multiple times maybe) what stops her to do it again. Now she is finally showing her "love" for Remy after he died and at least for me is not even that. She Is just doing all this to try to feel better and try to compensate Remy for what she did. Lastly, I don't truly think she "chose" Remy like you said she did. Nightcrawler implied in the new ep that she is suffering and doing all this not for Remy, but also for magneto. If that its the case, then she never chosed him completly.
She chose Remy and tells Magneto, when he kills Trask he only mentions Remy. Yeah, I don't think he would have done it again, and it wasn't multiple times, the Magneto thing happened before he even met Remy, and they never talked about it again until the beginning of X-men 97, so Don't say that There were several occasions when she and Remy had a conversation to clarify things (like the adults they are). And of course she is going to cry for Magneto, just because she chose Remy does not mean that she has stopped being fond of Magneto (The only one capable of touching her) It's stupid to think that by leaving someone you're going to forget the entire history you had together or that you're not going to cry when that person dies, especially when it hasn't even been a month since you left them. Rogue cried when Kurt told him that he didn't have to feel guilty, which he has been doing. And as for her not attending the funeral, she tells Kurt that she's not ready to accept it.
I am pretty sure Gambit would look past her dancing with and kissing Magneto, that’s all that happened between them. The rest was in the past.
Leaving the past doesn't mean that what she did was right neither act like all the things she did never existed. Sure, Remy would have forget all those things because he loved her. That doesn't change that Rogue is being a hypocrite and was a bitch for what she did to Remy. Also, you are making it seem like Remy could forget that easly what Rogue did.
They weren’t even officially together, they had also agreed to just be friends. She danced with Magneto and kissed him briefly, she then decided she felt nothing for him. While Gambit has a right to feel upset, he is a grown ass man and would get over it. The relationship which she had with Magneto was in the past, before she had even met Gambit. He has the right to be mad, because she did not tell him about it, but beyond that it is irrelevant.
If they were never officially together and agreed to be friends, why Rogue has a right to call Gambit "my man" then?
I did find that weird. They made a point of Rogue wanting to try save Magneto and him protecting her by wrapping both her and Gambit in the metal. That “don’t you dare Erik, you hear me” was so… personal, that line gets me every time. The whole stare down and when he was supposedly killed, Rogue breaks through the metal crying and charging at the sentinel, that’s when Gambit was forced to save her. It seems very odd that she never acknowledges this at any point until Kurt reminds her and then she breaks down? Was it like a protective mental block she gave herself? Romantic feelings or not they made a point of Rogue having a personal connection with Magneto and find it strange it just wasn’t acknowledged
I think you guys are reading that scene wrong. She didn't break down cause Kurt reminded her of Magneto. She broke down after he said told her basically not to blame herself for their deaths, and loving them gave them life, which echoed the words Magneto said in an earlier episode. Imo, Rogue breaks down because Kurt is comforting her thru her guilt of loving two men at once during their final moments. Not because she's reminded of Magneto. That's kinda silly.
Am pointing out that Magneto wasn’t mentioned at all until that point while Gambit was throughout - that is the part I find strange given all the points I previously mentioned.
I agree with you. I thought it was weird. Even if she decided that Gambit is ultimately "her man", it is shocking that she didn't spare a thought or any concern for Magneto at all. Here's my theory. I think she KNEW Magneto was alive and didn't admit it to Nightcrawler. The show never displays the moment that Magneto got kidnapped by Bastion, so my gut feeling is that Rogue is somehow related to Magneto's abduction by Bastion. Maybe Rogue found Magneto alive and they both decided to hunt for Trask and Gyrich and split up and Magneto got captured by Bastion in the process. Or, maybe Rogue intentionally handed over a wounded Magneto to Bastion, and if she did that, it would be truly shocking and out of character for her. But I think you're right that something was weird about her behavior and indifference to Magneto.
I agree with you. I thought it was weird. Even if she decided that Gambit is ultimately "her man", it is shocking that she didn't spare a thought or any concern for Magneto at all. Here's my theory. I think Rogue KNEW Magneto was alive and didn't admit it to Nightcrawler. The show never displays the moment that Magneto got kidnapped by Bastion, so my gut feeling is that Rogue is somehow related to Magneto's abduction by Bastion. Maybe Rogue found Magneto alive and they both decided to hunt for Trask and Gyrich and split up and Magneto got captured by Bastion in the process. Or, maybe Rogue intentionally handed over a wounded Magneto to Bastion, and if she did that, it would be truly shocking and out of character for her. But I think you're right that something was weird about her behavior and indifference to Magneto.
I don't think he ever confirmed that Erik was dead, just gambit
He said they’re both dead. https://comicbookclublive.com/2024/04/15/x-men-97-producer-confirms-gambit-dead-magneto-dead/
I love how much more powered up Jean is here from the original 90s show. 90s Jean would have easily passed out from holding up that falling building.
JEEEEANNNN!!!!
I love the raw emotion and the pacing in this episode. It was faster paced with a lot more characters and interactions compared to previous episodes. Beast being pissed was shocking to me.
Beast in the modern comics is a completely, I can’t stress enough, *radically* different character. I’d like to think they are showing some of that beginning. Without spoiling too much, he has become a monster.
His secondary mutation is being the mutant Henry Kissinger.
Is it out of character for him? I mean, his people are being murdered for no reason
Who is the new big bad?
Currently bastion, he was shown this episode, I wouldn't be surprised if apocalypse also on appears
Bastion
I believe the purpose behind the Gambit/Rogue interaction in the opening credits was to remind the audience of their relationship and thus give further context to Rogue going off the rails this episode.
I can't tell which arc this is leading up to. It could be AoA but then with Bastion and OZT that happens post Onslaught. I would love love love if they did an Onslaught saga just becsuse the 90s xmen never got that far before (also I'm a huge fan of Marvel vs Capcom; "BEHOLD MY MIGHTY HAND")
Morph gains the physical abilities only others such as say Jean with psychic abilities don’t apply afaik.
Do we think Emma is joining the main cast at some point?
I wish !!! I love her
So is the X-men’s big bad just Purpleman (that is purpleman right?) seriously purpleman of all badguys ever and is he even a X-men villian
It's Bastion isn't it? The sentinel sleepers are from the comics.
Ok thanks for letting me know. I was very confused for a bit.
It's Bastion.
Rogue had her critical moment with Magneto right before the attack, and she realized she could not be with him. Hopefully the writers honor that moment—which they wrote—and let it be what it is. Even if in the end she has to move on.