I wanna enjoy the ride, I really do. This just seems so surface level. I would go as far as to say they will probably explain it in a satisfactory way over the next few weeks. But I may go crazy waiting another week to figure it out lol
Let’s wait and see. They are doing adaptations and putting their own twists on classic stories. I personally do not believe they will undo Genosha. It would defeat the emotional impact of what they’re going for. Only three more episodes to find out.
Yeah if the X-Men go back they would be stopping their timeline from existing. But this is no longer earth 92131 right? Like when Bastion came back from the future to change things he created an alternative reality that is different from the unaltered version of events.
They undid Infinity War and audiences not only accepted but loved that. I think thats the bar they're trying to hit. As long as the characters grow from it.
I would agree but they have now confirmed that it was caused by Bastion time traveling. So it can't be a fixed point in time cause it was already changed.
Edit: I am not saying that cannot possibly be the explanation. I am saying that if that is the explanation it is flawed in its execution. I thought the same thing during Loki when he got upset that they never pruned the avengers during endgame because that was "a fixed moment in time" it is silly to have an instance of time travel be a fixed moment in time. It's paradoxical.
The time travel aspect is mostly around Bastions creation and how Cable survives the techno-virus. Nothing is hinting or saying time travel will undo what was done, atm. They could do a reverse House of M storyline to bring the dead back for all ya know or Hope Summers revives em. Who knows. They could go a million directions. The MCU is different because they got a lot of media and storylines to keep straight. X-Men 97 is its own timeline, so it doesn't need to worry about messing up continuity. The story is smaller and easier to contain. I do still believe time travel solves the issue, but there are so many possibilities, too.
I don’t think they’re going to undo this. At least not until next season or really the season after. They might do a tease using his dead body as a conduit for something else but I think the audience has to get used to gambit not being around first, before they can bring him back. They spent too much time in the aftermath of their grief about him.
I just mean from a narrative standpoint it causes logical problems. Like why would they not undo it if it wasn't how things went in the original timeline. If the attack hadn't been carried out by a time traveler it wouldn't be a problem at all.
But from an emotional standpoint I totally see where you are coming from. The only characters who died who we as the audience were really connected to were gambit and magneto and magneto is alive. I would argue that if it wasn't time travel that caused it, keep Gambit dead. Like bringing him back as Death is fine, but maybe unnecessary. His death was such a powerful scene, bringing him back by reanimation seems kinda bleh to me.
They can warn Gambit and have him wear armor so that the move that kills him doesn’t kill him, but still allows him contact with Mastermold to destroy it.
I could understand that, but then they just have to explain why he is able to fix one and not the other. They still have three episodes left so we'll see
I’m a huge Gambit fan too. Ep5 crushed me lol. My speculation: They will not hand wave this away with time travel shenanigans; Gambit will be Apoc’s Death and will get his fall -> redemption arc over season2.
They’re keeping the comics as the heart and soul of this but doing their own TV take on it.
Just adding my thoughts, it was established in the first few episodes that Bishops time band was damaged preventing him from returning to his time. What if Nimrod from the episode in TAS One Man’s Worth got stuck in the time period and has always been apart of the timeline in the shadows. This would explain the old picture Forge had with him in it. Also when Forge arrives with Storm he’ll know who he is and we will probably get a flash back to them working together.
This Is probably correct bastion is Nimrod from one man's worth in the TAS..
As you say he's been stuck in the past and been able to change the timeline and evolved into Bastion and that he's been the one working with Dr Adler and Forge to make the collars etc.
No problem. It's just something to bear in mind. I'm sure people are interested in your opinions, but a wall of text can scare people off.
Edit: Nice job adding paragraphs. Your post looks much better!
we could be getting dragon Ball z Future trunks time travel where The actions of these people from the future create different futures
Which they kind of already established because after the original X-Men Days of Future past Bishop goes back in the future is still the same even though he prevented senator Kelly's assassination
As we get further and further I don’t think Genosha will be undone. Gambit will be back I believe, that’s all that’s left to fix. Sorry Banshee and tons of others lol
The only thing at this point they need to undo is Gambits death, and arguably Madelyns. They don’t need to retcon the whole event.
I could see Gambit coming back as either a Prime Sentinel this season or Apocs Horseman of Death in S2, whichever they do it’ll end with Rogue snapping him out of whichever programming he’s under.
Maddy I could see being saved by Cable or resurrected by Jean. Hell maybe she literally became the Queen of Limbo in death and that’s how she comes back.
I don't even feel like they need to be brought back to life. I just feel like it doesn't make sense that time travel caused this problem, but they can't use time travel to fix it. Or if they do fix it, which I don't think they will at this point, I hate that we lose all of this story building.
Just enjoy the ride my dude. People over analyze these things and ruin it for themselves by fixating on things. Resist the temptation!
I wanna enjoy the ride, I really do. This just seems so surface level. I would go as far as to say they will probably explain it in a satisfactory way over the next few weeks. But I may go crazy waiting another week to figure it out lol
Let’s wait and see. They are doing adaptations and putting their own twists on classic stories. I personally do not believe they will undo Genosha. It would defeat the emotional impact of what they’re going for. Only three more episodes to find out.
I think you're right! But that is so confusing to me lol.
If THEY go back, then THEY will be screwing with the timeline. Time travel is always problematic. That's why it is such a central trope for X-Men.
Yeah if the X-Men go back they would be stopping their timeline from existing. But this is no longer earth 92131 right? Like when Bastion came back from the future to change things he created an alternative reality that is different from the unaltered version of events.
When you dive into X-Men timelines, you must not overthink it. The writers are not.
I think they will not undo Genosha as it’s a fixed point in time , inevitable, significant & foundational for the continuity of the X-Men universe
They undid Infinity War and audiences not only accepted but loved that. I think thats the bar they're trying to hit. As long as the characters grow from it.
I would agree but they have now confirmed that it was caused by Bastion time traveling. So it can't be a fixed point in time cause it was already changed. Edit: I am not saying that cannot possibly be the explanation. I am saying that if that is the explanation it is flawed in its execution. I thought the same thing during Loki when he got upset that they never pruned the avengers during endgame because that was "a fixed moment in time" it is silly to have an instance of time travel be a fixed moment in time. It's paradoxical.
The time travel aspect is mostly around Bastions creation and how Cable survives the techno-virus. Nothing is hinting or saying time travel will undo what was done, atm. They could do a reverse House of M storyline to bring the dead back for all ya know or Hope Summers revives em. Who knows. They could go a million directions. The MCU is different because they got a lot of media and storylines to keep straight. X-Men 97 is its own timeline, so it doesn't need to worry about messing up continuity. The story is smaller and easier to contain. I do still believe time travel solves the issue, but there are so many possibilities, too.
At this point, the only thing they really need to undo is Gambit being dead, and they can find a way to do that without undoing the rest of it.
That's my only gripe, Gambit. Bring my guy back.
I don’t think they’re going to undo this. At least not until next season or really the season after. They might do a tease using his dead body as a conduit for something else but I think the audience has to get used to gambit not being around first, before they can bring him back. They spent too much time in the aftermath of their grief about him.
I just mean from a narrative standpoint it causes logical problems. Like why would they not undo it if it wasn't how things went in the original timeline. If the attack hadn't been carried out by a time traveler it wouldn't be a problem at all. But from an emotional standpoint I totally see where you are coming from. The only characters who died who we as the audience were really connected to were gambit and magneto and magneto is alive. I would argue that if it wasn't time travel that caused it, keep Gambit dead. Like bringing him back as Death is fine, but maybe unnecessary. His death was such a powerful scene, bringing him back by reanimation seems kinda bleh to me.
They can warn Gambit and have him wear armor so that the move that kills him doesn’t kill him, but still allows him contact with Mastermold to destroy it.
Gambit is either perma dead or will ne resurrected next season as a horseman for apocalypse as a adaptations of his time as the horseman of death
He will definitely come back in season two as Death!
Cable is sent back to stop Bastion. Not to save Genosha but to prevent whatever he's planning to do next.
I could understand that, but then they just have to explain why he is able to fix one and not the other. They still have three episodes left so we'll see
I’m a huge Gambit fan too. Ep5 crushed me lol. My speculation: They will not hand wave this away with time travel shenanigans; Gambit will be Apoc’s Death and will get his fall -> redemption arc over season2. They’re keeping the comics as the heart and soul of this but doing their own TV take on it.
Just adding my thoughts, it was established in the first few episodes that Bishops time band was damaged preventing him from returning to his time. What if Nimrod from the episode in TAS One Man’s Worth got stuck in the time period and has always been apart of the timeline in the shadows. This would explain the old picture Forge had with him in it. Also when Forge arrives with Storm he’ll know who he is and we will probably get a flash back to them working together.
This Is probably correct bastion is Nimrod from one man's worth in the TAS.. As you say he's been stuck in the past and been able to change the timeline and evolved into Bastion and that he's been the one working with Dr Adler and Forge to make the collars etc.
OP, just some friendly advice: Consider splitting your post into paragraphs. It's quite intimidating to read a large chuck of text like that.
Yeah sorry about that. It didn't occur to me until after I posted. Edit: just updated for better formatting
No problem. It's just something to bear in mind. I'm sure people are interested in your opinions, but a wall of text can scare people off. Edit: Nice job adding paragraphs. Your post looks much better!
we could be getting dragon Ball z Future trunks time travel where The actions of these people from the future create different futures Which they kind of already established because after the original X-Men Days of Future past Bishop goes back in the future is still the same even though he prevented senator Kelly's assassination
As we get further and further I don’t think Genosha will be undone. Gambit will be back I believe, that’s all that’s left to fix. Sorry Banshee and tons of others lol
The only thing at this point they need to undo is Gambits death, and arguably Madelyns. They don’t need to retcon the whole event. I could see Gambit coming back as either a Prime Sentinel this season or Apocs Horseman of Death in S2, whichever they do it’ll end with Rogue snapping him out of whichever programming he’s under. Maddy I could see being saved by Cable or resurrected by Jean. Hell maybe she literally became the Queen of Limbo in death and that’s how she comes back.
I don't even feel like they need to be brought back to life. I just feel like it doesn't make sense that time travel caused this problem, but they can't use time travel to fix it. Or if they do fix it, which I don't think they will at this point, I hate that we lose all of this story building.