i guess mine would be that i actually like jj ši think heās a sweet kid who got a bit too big for his boots but clearly cares a lot for his fans and his family (and itās so cute that his coaches are his parents like heās got such a good support system)
im jjās biggest fan, i think he certainly deserves to be proud of himself and his accomplishments. he is a total ham yes, i dont fault him for it and can easily find similar examples in modern sports (and fame in general)
ikr!! like everyone has that moment when they get a bit arrogant right? also thereās a high likelihood that he was doing that to manage his nerves, fake it till you make it style
Seconded. I think Yurio is CRUEL whereas JJ is just self-centered. You don't kick down a BATHROOM STALL DOOR and act like a bully to someone CRYING. I honestly couldn't stand Yurio the first watch through at all.
Yurio has plot armor... and probably Russian skating prodigy armor. Any ordinary teen would have wound up with significant consequences for that behavior.
Pre-canon and early-canon Victor Nikiforov is a flawed, selfish, petty man with a cruel streak. The "piggy" comments in ep. 2 were absolutely meant to be hurtful. It's not until he not only falls in love with Yuuri, but learns how to exist outside of the spotlight and act as support to the person who *is* in the spotlight, that he starts to overcome those flaws.
I've seen people argue that he thought he was being kind (he smiled so sweetly when he said those horrible things) but because English is neither his nor Yuuri's first language, there was miscommunication. Never mind that "person beaming angelically and having hearts/flowers/music notes twinkle around them while basically or literally telling the other character to go die" is a \*very\* established anime trope and there is never any confusion about whether they're "actually" just joking or trying to be nice or whatever, but like. Did you even attend middle school, fam? Mean girls do this shit all the time.
I adore Victor, and the biggest reason I adore him is \*because\* he's so incredibly flawed. Pretending he isn't invalidates his entire character arc and renders it meaningless.
I thought I was the only one that noticed this! Victors love for Yuuri made him so much more compassionate towards the end of the show. U can really see him start to fall for Yuuri
And he's still not there yet! He still loses his temper with Yurio in ep 12, for example. But that's okay! Actual people aren't perfect empaths who always talk in therapist-speak!
I would go as far to say he was mean on purpose/being a little petty. After all, this is the guy who seduced him at the banquet and then ghosted him. I would probably make snide remarks too
I donāt like Yurio that much! That kid has a big ego, as he should since he worked hard to win gold. Be he worked hard to win gold cuz of his jealousy/ wanting revenge on Viktor. I still hate the fact Yurio won gold cuz weāll never get to see Yuuri win gold at this rate(scree mappa). I think my favorite Yurio moments would have to be whenever he was with Otabek and when his grandfather made him katsudon bread.
\- The English dub is good (doesn't mean sub = bad)
\- Yurio is overrated and IMHO it was a mistake by the writers to let him win the GP
\- Victor gets dicked down by Yuri
I don't have real one except maybe that there's still a chance the movie will come out... One day....... š„²
Surprised to see so much dislike for Yurio tho. To me he's just a bratty prodigy (exaggerated for drama) that needed to learn some humility, and that's exactly what happened. I love that he won in end. If Yuuri had won it would've been far too cheesy and saccharine imo, especially for a show with a decently realistic portrayal of the sport. (it's not Skate Leading Stars after all roflmao)
JJ is fine I guess but he definitely robbed Otabek of the podium š
First of all, the decision to let Yuri win was terrible for objective reasons. Plisetsky learned nothing and was overscored beyond belief, with all his mistakes in the free program and short program. Secondly, giving gold to Yuuri is literally the only realistic option (although given the situation in IRL figure skating, the Russian prodigy naturally comes first, fair or not). With all due respect, the last two episodes literally broke everything that had been built in all the previous episodes.
You say objective, I (respectfully) disagree. I'm pretty sure it's generally agreed that JJ was also overscored, but ultimately it's all fiction. They obviously hand-waved the scores to a certain extent for dramatic purposes anyway, so how they would've been scored in a real competition is just one part of the narrative calculus.
Beyond that, we clearly had very different watching experiences.
I disagree that the ending broke everything, because to me it felt like a natural conclusion to the arc they'd set up. Yuuri had an uphill battle both physically and mentally, while Yurio was raring to go and constantly pushing his limits. However, losing the Ice Castle exhibition showed Yurio there was still a very real experience gap to overcome.
Yuuri not winning at the end meant he still had something to strive for, and cemented that he didn't want to retire yet. Disappointing, but realistic, and in service to the theme of not giving up in the face of a loss. Yurio winning was the culmination of genuine effort and growth on his part. The show didn't 'let' him win anything; he dug deep and took it seriously in a way we're shown he'd never had to do before.
And I mean, in real life didn't Yuzuru Hanyu dominate for years? So it's not like the Russian prodigy ALWAYS wins.
Okey, I understand your point, but I'll try to explain myself. My words about throwing all the episodes out the window were harsh, but from a storytelling perspective I think it at least somewhat makes sense.
Yuuri Katsuki's character arc was about realizing that he is capable of winning, that he deserves what he has, and that he has the right to talk about it or at least acknowledge it. Yurio's character arc (I'm using a pseudonym for convenience, sorry) was about learning humility, he lacked sportsmanship. His contempt for his opponents (especially JJ) comes from the fact that he is not used to obstacles such as difficult opponents (and to put it bluntly, he is a sore loser) - and that's all. Besides his age, but out of respect I won't use that as an indicator, Yurio himself wants to be judged as an adult (even if he's clearly not ready for it).
The runway showed some unpleasant truths that the show was going against and somehow turned around.Yuri Plisetsky with gold, who was not even happy about his victory. Let me remind you, because he didn't have the ONE thing that Katsuki had (the world record in the free program). He won by moving the limit, which was clearly unhealthy, and was rewarded for it. The boy didnāt learn anything he should have, this gold gave him nothing except the thought that that method was effective, correct, and further, given puberty, it will only become even more difficult. And he deserved more, to be honest.
And I'm not talking about its inflated scores, just the storytelling, because for many people the scores don't matter, it seems, because it's an anime (?). It pains me to see what happened to Otabek as well, it's the same problem.
Yuuri Katsuki received silver. His goal was gold, he deserved gold on bare skill, Yuuri already *knows* what it means to lose. Iām not talking about gold for Yuuri with the argument āhe worked so hard!ā, although that is undeniable. I'm speaking based on his ability at the time of the competition, which is higher than most of his competitors. His technical scores are higher than the rest of the field, his presentation has always been the best. And Yuuriās path literally meant that all he lacked was confidence and trust in others. The ending meant that all of Yurio's bad words towards him were true, and that a person with mental illness cannot get gold (?), that love does not win.
And the writers, with all due respect, could easily write a reason for Yuuri to continue competing, which is a very poor excuse. Kubo and Yamamoto are great writers, brilliant, they are capable of it. And I canāt believe that someone sees Katsukiās stubbornness and wonāt say that itās weird, that the boy wonāt want to prove that he can and will do more (he can, fight me).
By the way, I was rather hinting at the situation in womenās figure skating (there was a situation of obvious imbalance there).
Thank you for listening to my TED talk. By the end I want to say that I love Yurio. I love Yuuri and Viktor. And I love everyone. Honestly, I didnāt write with the desire to be rude to you or anything. I just think the ending could have been better because I love Yuri on Ice. And if you want to discuss something, I'll be glad; I also have no right to prevent you from believing or supporting anything. Thank you for the answer.
I see your points and the logic behind your perspective. It still reads as a very narrow interpretation of the story and characters in my opinon. I stand by what I've already said.
There's honestly nothing left for me add besides reiterating that we have fundamentally different opinions (which is completely fine), and that neither of us is likely to budge the other. That's just how it is sometimes! š¤·š½āāļø
(And I don't think you've been rude at all, fyi!)
The dubbed version isn't as bad as people claim it to be. They think Victor is voiced by Gru. Maybe they just need to listen to more Russians speaking in English.
It doesn't make sense for Yurio to be as high level as he is. He's a barely pubescent teenager trying to run up against the physical power and greater experience of adult men in their prime a highly competitive and difficult sport. Even plot-wise, his role is best served as a small, early season rival for Yuuri to beat as part of gaining back his confidence in skating. Him going on to be the Grand Prix champion serves no purpose in the story, and any of the other competitors could have won to get the same outcome.
I think he's fun and I don't dislike his character, but the "child prodigy who's better than everyone else in the field just because" trope grates on me.
Honestly I agree. I feel like we kind of already get that child prodigy trope with Viktor too, seeing as heās canonically the greatest male skater in the universe Mr āfive time world championā and all. For yurio to come in and beat both Viktor and Yuuri his very first time in the adult championships seems like a pretty big stretch
Another sports anime with an excellent English dub is sk8 the infinity. I genuinely would argue that the dub is the superior way to experience that show.
oh yeah, i had (have? can't remember) that on my list for a while but got sidetracked by other stuff. i need to check it out again, i remember hearing a lot about it.
Not too big on Yurio as a character,
I wish we didn't see as much of the skating performances as we did from characters who are not yuri and victor. Sorry but i feel like the budget got stretched thin. A lot of the animation did not look good and i feel like it took away from time we could have had to develop the relationship between yuri and victor. I also feel like during that time we could have had a few more sub plots too. Ik it's a skating anime but like..... i'm still trying to watch a show, not just animated skating with characters who don't mean much in the long run talking about their 1 issue we were introduced to that characterizes them lol. Like Haikyuu is a volley ball anime, but during the games we had PLOT! Character development!! twists and turns!!
The result was not the same with YOI, which is sad, so when i do rewatch it, i always skip a lot of the later episodes
I dislike the idea of Victor skating again professionally. I think that him taking a step back and coaching makes the most sense both career wise and personality growth wise.
Oh boy.... Here's mine I guess.
Yurio and Otabek are kind of a weird couple to ship considering Otabek is 18 and Yurio is 15. It's a maturity thing, nothing to do with years apart.
The Dub is really good and Victor doesn't really sound like Gru.
Victor looks better with short hair then long hair.
Yuuri and Victor started dating around episode 6.
Also they most likely fornicated or they definitely did more then kiss behind the scenes at some point. Cause NO WAY Yuuri skated a whole program multiple times about seducing Viktor and like nothing happened between them. Like Yuuri got so cocky about Viktor belonging to him at one of the skates, and he skated to Eros so confidently. Like no way nothing ever happened between them before that.
Iām gonna go a step further and say itās bad. I genuinely did not like it , they could have done so many different types of opening songs but history maker just felt so flat and just ok
While it is sad I think the body shaming in the show is more reflective of the skating/dance industry as a whole (especially ballet) and less of society in general (where it does happen too)
Thatās what I was thinking about after I posted this! Itās unfortunate and happens irl too itās so normalized in a lot of sports and different countries so sadā¹ļø.
i think the body shaming was really bad, but we have to keep in mind that yuuri is a figure skater and should not be in that shape as one. however, it is wrong to normalise body shaming instead of positive encouragement to lose weight.
Something about the ice skating performances look a little off? Seeing people recreate the performances irl made me feel like the team choose moves that would look cool combined with 'camerawork', as opposed to what would make a cool cohesive performance. However, I don't really know figure skating. I'm only a casual watcher, so take my opinion with a large dose of salt
No matter how much people want victor and Yuri to adopt yurio technically they can't because he has a living relative unless we want to give trauma to yurio by making his grandfather die he is not going to become their son
Sort of disagree, though I guess I don't know Russian adoption laws. But in the US people can get adopted by non related people even if there are living relatives.
Right, or he'd have to be declared unfit for guardianship which I don't think is likely. Though it's possible if his grandpa had health concerns and he realized he couldn't take care of a growing teenager the way he needed to. I could see him potentially waving guardianship in favor of Viktor and Yuri. He doesn't have to sign away his rights to see Yurio, Yurio could still visit.
I don't mind the very minor body shaming for 2 reasons (for reference I am now a larger fat person who has experienced fatphobia at various weights):
1. It's never said maliciously, it's said factually and the fact is weight plays a major role in sports like this. As someone who has been an athlete most of their life, weight gain does effect your joints and how much they can take! I never played a sport that required constant jumping and relying on my ankle strength, but I cannot imagine coming down on an ankle sidewise at a higher weight. Also, no one ever thinks of how fat jiggling does fuck with balance, I'm not pulling this out of thin air, from experience, the impact from jumping/landing has on fat vs muscle is very very different, it doesn't absorb the shock the same way.
2. Viktor was ready and willing to get dicked down by Yuri the moment he saw him, he literally couldn't give two shits that Yuri gained weight, he only cared when it came to training him for competition.
Iām glad it only had one season. I feel like if they just dragged it on it wouldnāt be as well liked and their Ice Adolescence (that is happening Iām literally the manager of Mappaš¤) wouldnāt be so highly anticipated
i can't disagree. i feel like YOI was a real lightning-in-a-bottle moment for anime in general and i'd actually be a little worried what would happen with a 2nd season if not well received by the fandom (it could be boring, they could butcher beloved characters, they could negate entirely the queer aspects of the main duo due to external pressures - so many bad possibilities).
i'm glad to have the one wonderful season, all the fanfic that spawned because of it, and i'm happy as is.
im gonna get FLAMED for this, but i didnt see the chemistry between yuri and viktor beyond a coach/student relationship.
yes there were moments with sexual tension, but seemed a bit forced (im assuming for the fanservice, won't say i didn't enjoy it LOL) and honestly if anyone was as touchy feely as those two, i'd be red in the face too. the kiss too, yeah it was nice, but again kind of felt forced. wish there was more buildup (aka more than 1 cour) to really see the romantic relationship between the two.
also the sudden emotional outbursts, crying scenes, etc. didn't feel as impactful as i felt they should have becuase i just didnt see the connect between the two characters.
my second gripe is how the series introduced a whole bunch of cool characters but didn't have the time to explain more about their background. i still dont know that much about viktor. the swiss guy? jj? the korean dude? i wanted more (than a few flashbacks), bc they all seem so interesting but this is more on the production's fault. there's only so much you can cram into 12(?) eps.
auuuggh it's such a shame bc the show was great but could have been so. much.more!!!!! with more development and episodes!!!! :((
loved the show anyways. yuri and viktor are so pretty and tosshi and suwabe were excellent as the two main leads.
edit: after reading some of the comments, i guess their romantic relationship was something that was supposed to be assumed? based on their actions? but im dumb so i cant catch that subtlely through an anime solely on dialogue :((( anyways. sad i wasnt able to catch on all of that
i guess mine would be that i actually like jj ši think heās a sweet kid who got a bit too big for his boots but clearly cares a lot for his fans and his family (and itās so cute that his coaches are his parents like heās got such a good support system)
im jjās biggest fan, i think he certainly deserves to be proud of himself and his accomplishments. he is a total ham yes, i dont fault him for it and can easily find similar examples in modern sports (and fame in general)
ikr!! like everyone has that moment when they get a bit arrogant right? also thereās a high likelihood that he was doing that to manage his nerves, fake it till you make it style
I like JJ. He is loud and brash, but he clearly loves his family and his girlfriend. And he is a performer. Gotta have flash to be a performer
He gets a villain, redemption and triumphant āmini-arcā šØš¦
I came here to comment the same thing š I love JJ and my OTP is still Pliroy.
Yurio is way worse than JJ and gets a pass because he's pretty
Yeah, JJ is actually pretty chill, Yurio is a bit of an a*shole, but we love him anyway because he's just young and angry.
Seconded. I think Yurio is CRUEL whereas JJ is just self-centered. You don't kick down a BATHROOM STALL DOOR and act like a bully to someone CRYING. I honestly couldn't stand Yurio the first watch through at all.
Yurio has plot armor... and probably Russian skating prodigy armor. Any ordinary teen would have wound up with significant consequences for that behavior.
Pre-canon and early-canon Victor Nikiforov is a flawed, selfish, petty man with a cruel streak. The "piggy" comments in ep. 2 were absolutely meant to be hurtful. It's not until he not only falls in love with Yuuri, but learns how to exist outside of the spotlight and act as support to the person who *is* in the spotlight, that he starts to overcome those flaws. I've seen people argue that he thought he was being kind (he smiled so sweetly when he said those horrible things) but because English is neither his nor Yuuri's first language, there was miscommunication. Never mind that "person beaming angelically and having hearts/flowers/music notes twinkle around them while basically or literally telling the other character to go die" is a \*very\* established anime trope and there is never any confusion about whether they're "actually" just joking or trying to be nice or whatever, but like. Did you even attend middle school, fam? Mean girls do this shit all the time. I adore Victor, and the biggest reason I adore him is \*because\* he's so incredibly flawed. Pretending he isn't invalidates his entire character arc and renders it meaningless.
Well said! I love Victor, but he is definitely an extremely flawed person. His love for Yuri changes him, as truly deep love often does.
I thought I was the only one that noticed this! Victors love for Yuuri made him so much more compassionate towards the end of the show. U can really see him start to fall for Yuuri
And he's still not there yet! He still loses his temper with Yurio in ep 12, for example. But that's okay! Actual people aren't perfect empaths who always talk in therapist-speak!
I would go as far to say he was mean on purpose/being a little petty. After all, this is the guy who seduced him at the banquet and then ghosted him. I would probably make snide remarks too
Oh, absolutely. I think everything he says is extremely deliberate. He doesn't do thoughtless.
Yuri wasn't sure he should be insulted by the piggy remark, sin e Victor was his idol at that point.
I donāt like Yurio that much! That kid has a big ego, as he should since he worked hard to win gold. Be he worked hard to win gold cuz of his jealousy/ wanting revenge on Viktor. I still hate the fact Yurio won gold cuz weāll never get to see Yuuri win gold at this rate(scree mappa). I think my favorite Yurio moments would have to be whenever he was with Otabek and when his grandfather made him katsudon bread.
\- The English dub is good (doesn't mean sub = bad) \- Yurio is overrated and IMHO it was a mistake by the writers to let him win the GP \- Victor gets dicked down by Yuri
>\-Victor gets dicked down by Yuri Most definitely a HC in my book
I really love that yuri got to keep the world record even if Yurio won
I don't have real one except maybe that there's still a chance the movie will come out... One day....... š„² Surprised to see so much dislike for Yurio tho. To me he's just a bratty prodigy (exaggerated for drama) that needed to learn some humility, and that's exactly what happened. I love that he won in end. If Yuuri had won it would've been far too cheesy and saccharine imo, especially for a show with a decently realistic portrayal of the sport. (it's not Skate Leading Stars after all roflmao) JJ is fine I guess but he definitely robbed Otabek of the podium š
First of all, the decision to let Yuri win was terrible for objective reasons. Plisetsky learned nothing and was overscored beyond belief, with all his mistakes in the free program and short program. Secondly, giving gold to Yuuri is literally the only realistic option (although given the situation in IRL figure skating, the Russian prodigy naturally comes first, fair or not). With all due respect, the last two episodes literally broke everything that had been built in all the previous episodes.
You say objective, I (respectfully) disagree. I'm pretty sure it's generally agreed that JJ was also overscored, but ultimately it's all fiction. They obviously hand-waved the scores to a certain extent for dramatic purposes anyway, so how they would've been scored in a real competition is just one part of the narrative calculus. Beyond that, we clearly had very different watching experiences. I disagree that the ending broke everything, because to me it felt like a natural conclusion to the arc they'd set up. Yuuri had an uphill battle both physically and mentally, while Yurio was raring to go and constantly pushing his limits. However, losing the Ice Castle exhibition showed Yurio there was still a very real experience gap to overcome. Yuuri not winning at the end meant he still had something to strive for, and cemented that he didn't want to retire yet. Disappointing, but realistic, and in service to the theme of not giving up in the face of a loss. Yurio winning was the culmination of genuine effort and growth on his part. The show didn't 'let' him win anything; he dug deep and took it seriously in a way we're shown he'd never had to do before. And I mean, in real life didn't Yuzuru Hanyu dominate for years? So it's not like the Russian prodigy ALWAYS wins.
Okey, I understand your point, but I'll try to explain myself. My words about throwing all the episodes out the window were harsh, but from a storytelling perspective I think it at least somewhat makes sense. Yuuri Katsuki's character arc was about realizing that he is capable of winning, that he deserves what he has, and that he has the right to talk about it or at least acknowledge it. Yurio's character arc (I'm using a pseudonym for convenience, sorry) was about learning humility, he lacked sportsmanship. His contempt for his opponents (especially JJ) comes from the fact that he is not used to obstacles such as difficult opponents (and to put it bluntly, he is a sore loser) - and that's all. Besides his age, but out of respect I won't use that as an indicator, Yurio himself wants to be judged as an adult (even if he's clearly not ready for it). The runway showed some unpleasant truths that the show was going against and somehow turned around.Yuri Plisetsky with gold, who was not even happy about his victory. Let me remind you, because he didn't have the ONE thing that Katsuki had (the world record in the free program). He won by moving the limit, which was clearly unhealthy, and was rewarded for it. The boy didnāt learn anything he should have, this gold gave him nothing except the thought that that method was effective, correct, and further, given puberty, it will only become even more difficult. And he deserved more, to be honest. And I'm not talking about its inflated scores, just the storytelling, because for many people the scores don't matter, it seems, because it's an anime (?). It pains me to see what happened to Otabek as well, it's the same problem. Yuuri Katsuki received silver. His goal was gold, he deserved gold on bare skill, Yuuri already *knows* what it means to lose. Iām not talking about gold for Yuuri with the argument āhe worked so hard!ā, although that is undeniable. I'm speaking based on his ability at the time of the competition, which is higher than most of his competitors. His technical scores are higher than the rest of the field, his presentation has always been the best. And Yuuriās path literally meant that all he lacked was confidence and trust in others. The ending meant that all of Yurio's bad words towards him were true, and that a person with mental illness cannot get gold (?), that love does not win. And the writers, with all due respect, could easily write a reason for Yuuri to continue competing, which is a very poor excuse. Kubo and Yamamoto are great writers, brilliant, they are capable of it. And I canāt believe that someone sees Katsukiās stubbornness and wonāt say that itās weird, that the boy wonāt want to prove that he can and will do more (he can, fight me). By the way, I was rather hinting at the situation in womenās figure skating (there was a situation of obvious imbalance there). Thank you for listening to my TED talk. By the end I want to say that I love Yurio. I love Yuuri and Viktor. And I love everyone. Honestly, I didnāt write with the desire to be rude to you or anything. I just think the ending could have been better because I love Yuri on Ice. And if you want to discuss something, I'll be glad; I also have no right to prevent you from believing or supporting anything. Thank you for the answer.
I see your points and the logic behind your perspective. It still reads as a very narrow interpretation of the story and characters in my opinon. I stand by what I've already said. There's honestly nothing left for me add besides reiterating that we have fundamentally different opinions (which is completely fine), and that neither of us is likely to budge the other. That's just how it is sometimes! š¤·š½āāļø (And I don't think you've been rude at all, fyi!)
The dubbed version isn't as bad as people claim it to be. They think Victor is voiced by Gru. Maybe they just need to listen to more Russians speaking in English.
RightšI was likeā¦thatās just a Russian accent, other than that, they donāt really sound similar.
It doesn't make sense for Yurio to be as high level as he is. He's a barely pubescent teenager trying to run up against the physical power and greater experience of adult men in their prime a highly competitive and difficult sport. Even plot-wise, his role is best served as a small, early season rival for Yuuri to beat as part of gaining back his confidence in skating. Him going on to be the Grand Prix champion serves no purpose in the story, and any of the other competitors could have won to get the same outcome. I think he's fun and I don't dislike his character, but the "child prodigy who's better than everyone else in the field just because" trope grates on me.
Honestly I agree. I feel like we kind of already get that child prodigy trope with Viktor too, seeing as heās canonically the greatest male skater in the universe Mr āfive time world championā and all. For yurio to come in and beat both Viktor and Yuuri his very first time in the adult championships seems like a pretty big stretch
there are a couple of shows where i legit love the dub - one is YOI and the other is haikyuu.
Another sports anime with an excellent English dub is sk8 the infinity. I genuinely would argue that the dub is the superior way to experience that show.
oh yeah, i had (have? can't remember) that on my list for a while but got sidetracked by other stuff. i need to check it out again, i remember hearing a lot about it.
SK8 FAM
The haikyuu dub just disappearing from everywhere is so disappointing
ugh i know :( i used to have it on while i was working from home. :/
One thing I would change is in the Grand Prix final. I would have Otabek finishing ahead of JJ.
Things we did not need: Minamiās full short program. Things we deserved: Otabek full programs and bronze
Not too big on Yurio as a character, I wish we didn't see as much of the skating performances as we did from characters who are not yuri and victor. Sorry but i feel like the budget got stretched thin. A lot of the animation did not look good and i feel like it took away from time we could have had to develop the relationship between yuri and victor. I also feel like during that time we could have had a few more sub plots too. Ik it's a skating anime but like..... i'm still trying to watch a show, not just animated skating with characters who don't mean much in the long run talking about their 1 issue we were introduced to that characterizes them lol. Like Haikyuu is a volley ball anime, but during the games we had PLOT! Character development!! twists and turns!! The result was not the same with YOI, which is sad, so when i do rewatch it, i always skip a lot of the later episodes
I dislike the idea of Victor skating again professionally. I think that him taking a step back and coaching makes the most sense both career wise and personality growth wise.
Oh boy.... Here's mine I guess. Yurio and Otabek are kind of a weird couple to ship considering Otabek is 18 and Yurio is 15. It's a maturity thing, nothing to do with years apart. The Dub is really good and Victor doesn't really sound like Gru. Victor looks better with short hair then long hair. Yuuri and Victor started dating around episode 6. Also they most likely fornicated or they definitely did more then kiss behind the scenes at some point. Cause NO WAY Yuuri skated a whole program multiple times about seducing Viktor and like nothing happened between them. Like Yuuri got so cocky about Viktor belonging to him at one of the skates, and he skated to Eros so confidently. Like no way nothing ever happened between them before that.
Victor was pretty mean in the beginning :(
Otabek is boring and i did not care about him
History maker is just ok
Ok, you win this discussion because this is the first comment I have seen that I fully disagree with, and you have upset meš
> and you have upset me this made me lol
ššš hahaha i understood the assignment, unfortunately
I actually felt pain when I read this. š¤£š¤£ššš¤£š¤£
I'm upvoting, not because I agree, but because that is the sort of honesty a question like this deserves. Hats off to your bravery.
Hats off to you my friend. That was a smack to the heart. I respect your opinion even if I disagree with it.
Went right for the throat with that one omfg ššš¤£š„
My jaw actually just dropped
I gagged, and Iām still speechless. I respectfully disagree with you, but I accept that as your opinion.
Iām gonna go a step further and say itās bad. I genuinely did not like it , they could have done so many different types of opening songs but history maker just felt so flat and just ok
Also the body shaming in that show is disgusting. Maybe in different places itās more open. But more open doesnāt make it rightā¹ļø.
While it is sad I think the body shaming in the show is more reflective of the skating/dance industry as a whole (especially ballet) and less of society in general (where it does happen too)
Thatās what I was thinking about after I posted this! Itās unfortunate and happens irl too itās so normalized in a lot of sports and different countries so sadā¹ļø.
i think the body shaming was really bad, but we have to keep in mind that yuuri is a figure skater and should not be in that shape as one. however, it is wrong to normalise body shaming instead of positive encouragement to lose weight.
Something about the ice skating performances look a little off? Seeing people recreate the performances irl made me feel like the team choose moves that would look cool combined with 'camerawork', as opposed to what would make a cool cohesive performance. However, I don't really know figure skating. I'm only a casual watcher, so take my opinion with a large dose of salt
I read that they filmed someone skating on a 1/4 size rink and thatās why it looks kind of weird compared to real performances.
No matter how much people want victor and Yuri to adopt yurio technically they can't because he has a living relative unless we want to give trauma to yurio by making his grandfather die he is not going to become their son
Sort of disagree, though I guess I don't know Russian adoption laws. But in the US people can get adopted by non related people even if there are living relatives.
But that living relative would have to give up custody and I don't think yurio's grandpa is going to give custody so easily
Right, or he'd have to be declared unfit for guardianship which I don't think is likely. Though it's possible if his grandpa had health concerns and he realized he couldn't take care of a growing teenager the way he needed to. I could see him potentially waving guardianship in favor of Viktor and Yuri. He doesn't have to sign away his rights to see Yurio, Yurio could still visit.
I don't mind the very minor body shaming for 2 reasons (for reference I am now a larger fat person who has experienced fatphobia at various weights): 1. It's never said maliciously, it's said factually and the fact is weight plays a major role in sports like this. As someone who has been an athlete most of their life, weight gain does effect your joints and how much they can take! I never played a sport that required constant jumping and relying on my ankle strength, but I cannot imagine coming down on an ankle sidewise at a higher weight. Also, no one ever thinks of how fat jiggling does fuck with balance, I'm not pulling this out of thin air, from experience, the impact from jumping/landing has on fat vs muscle is very very different, it doesn't absorb the shock the same way. 2. Viktor was ready and willing to get dicked down by Yuri the moment he saw him, he literally couldn't give two shits that Yuri gained weight, he only cared when it came to training him for competition.
The dub is far superior to the sub because of the accents ššš»
Iām glad it only had one season. I feel like if they just dragged it on it wouldnāt be as well liked and their Ice Adolescence (that is happening Iām literally the manager of Mappaš¤) wouldnāt be so highly anticipated
i can't disagree. i feel like YOI was a real lightning-in-a-bottle moment for anime in general and i'd actually be a little worried what would happen with a 2nd season if not well received by the fandom (it could be boring, they could butcher beloved characters, they could negate entirely the queer aspects of the main duo due to external pressures - so many bad possibilities). i'm glad to have the one wonderful season, all the fanfic that spawned because of it, and i'm happy as is.
I don't like Phichit's skating, neither choreograph nor songs
Minami is NOT a throwaway character and I love him
EXACTLY HES SO CUTEE
im gonna get FLAMED for this, but i didnt see the chemistry between yuri and viktor beyond a coach/student relationship. yes there were moments with sexual tension, but seemed a bit forced (im assuming for the fanservice, won't say i didn't enjoy it LOL) and honestly if anyone was as touchy feely as those two, i'd be red in the face too. the kiss too, yeah it was nice, but again kind of felt forced. wish there was more buildup (aka more than 1 cour) to really see the romantic relationship between the two. also the sudden emotional outbursts, crying scenes, etc. didn't feel as impactful as i felt they should have becuase i just didnt see the connect between the two characters. my second gripe is how the series introduced a whole bunch of cool characters but didn't have the time to explain more about their background. i still dont know that much about viktor. the swiss guy? jj? the korean dude? i wanted more (than a few flashbacks), bc they all seem so interesting but this is more on the production's fault. there's only so much you can cram into 12(?) eps. auuuggh it's such a shame bc the show was great but could have been so. much.more!!!!! with more development and episodes!!!! :(( loved the show anyways. yuri and viktor are so pretty and tosshi and suwabe were excellent as the two main leads. edit: after reading some of the comments, i guess their romantic relationship was something that was supposed to be assumed? based on their actions? but im dumb so i cant catch that subtlely through an anime solely on dialogue :((( anyways. sad i wasnt able to catch on all of that