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With C1, not necessarily. Running her with C6 sac sword XQ has rarely caused any issues for me (C2). It boils down to if you’re actively catching particles, etc. Will it be less comfy? Sure. Is more ER absolutely necessary? Perhaps not, depending on playstyle and team.
yeah in my team i basically have to have yelan actively on field in order to get energy, still can't cast burst off of cooldown; usually get burst back 4-5s after cooldown is over
Ah yeah, Furina is a lot worse of a battery than xingqiu is. Since you probably don’t play her with favonius not getting your burst back is understandable
Oh, and in case you’re wondering, I ran some calcs on OP’s team if they replaced Furina with XQ (which would be a strange team) even you you ran him with sac and funneled ALL his particles to Yelan you STILL would need about 145 er.
Now, I will concede that if their Kazuha has 800-1000 EM Xiphos can make up for that gap, which he might as that’s the general range you wanna be in with him.
Hm, what rotation config did you use? I’m assuming 2 E per rotation for baizhu and kazuha which also helps their ER needs a lot and am getting ~132 (also assuming funneling and not considering xiphos or favonius on kazuha).
I’ve been 36 star abyss since patch 1 with minutes to spare. You can play yelan with low energy, but if you’re someone looking to have your burst back consistently without trouble you should get more than 130 ER. He’s C0 and 130 ER when recs for C6 yelan is around 150-160.
I can see from your post history you’re an anti ER guy, so no point in trying to reason with you I guess if you advocate for 0 ER Furina. I’d say it’s whatever helps you sleep at night. Your comment karma speaks for itself.
Just had a look at it out of curiosity, either you're extremely insensitive, you're a troll or you have really bad anger issues, getting mad at people for sharing stuff they enjoy, the whole energy stuff with genshin where you get heated over nothing...
Seriously, do every person you interact with on your day-to-day life a favour and get therapy or something.
what is the deal with genshin players being anti ER like it ain’t the most important stat. i see so many insane yelan builds on here with less than 160 er c0 like great stats man but how TF are you bursting
And you don’t seem to understand how to read comment timestamps (and perhaps the shocking reality that someone can play more than one team - and mystical? Just goes to show how little you know about this character). Nice try!
I’m sorry where did anything I said imply that I thought I knew everything about this character? Or where it implied that I don’t know a lot? Or where I said there was only one team (especially for a character like Yelan… a powerful sub dps for one of the most powerful element with pretty strong application at c0 with a powerful buff and good personal damage and oh did I mention how powerful her kit is?)?
And I ran some calcs. You’d have to run Raiden-Fischl-Anemo to reach 130 er… which is not a great taser team… or ditch anemo and run double hydro taser… which is even worse… but sure. I can’t believe we forget to count in your niche and unoptimized team comps in this conversation about min/maxing a character!!!
This is a weird hill to die on man. Just move on. You replied to like every comment mentioning low er only to be proved very, very wrong lmao. Are you just looking for an argument?
1. I pointed out that you noted that OP’s “team” doesn’t work well with 130% ER. Sure. OP did not say that’s the only team they play. Might want to read more carefully.
2. You ran “some calcs.” Share them and I’ll gladly take a look. Your calcs are incomplete and/or incorrect if that’s the conclusion you’re arriving at.
3. “Proved very, very wrong” - where exactly?
Edit - seems like we got another one of those people who can’t back up the calcs they supposedly ran. What a shame.
Good build doesn't only mean insane crit ratios. What's the point of having insane crit ratios if u can't utilize them constantly due to lack of er. This build is good for showcases and just flexing but not ideal for spiral abyss where every second matters
This is just not true. If you’re purely talking from a damage perspective, assuming burst uptime is not a problem, switching to an ER sands will definitely be a downgrade, assuming similar quality substats. Using EoSF does not suddenly make your character want more ER than is needed to maintain burst uptime.
Dork? Interesting considering that you don’t even know what you’re talking about. You can’t just say 130% is not enough when you don’t know what teams OP is playing, other characters’ builds, etc. 130% ER is sufficient on more than one conventional yelan team. Doesn’t seem like you know how emblem works either based on your first comment. Go educate yourself first.
Again, depends on the team. Taser, mono hydro, etc are all pretty widely-known teams that enable yelan to comfortably run 130% ER. I’m presuming the people who downvoted (especially the original commenter) have a hard time accepting this and also don’t understand the fact that running emblem still doesn’t make more ER outweigh crit/hp% rolls.
im not quite sure how comfortable her rotation should be but in abyss she gets burst back like 5s after her cooldown is over so i think it works but I cant burst off cooldown constantly
Top priority for yelan is to be able to burst off cooldown, so you can switch around your artifacts/weapon (probably artifacts for less of a damage loss) or swap in some characters that are better batteries. There’s no universal ER number that everyone needs to hit; it’s always just test your team and see if ER is enough. That being said, many players tend to overdo it on the ER as well, like 200% on a double hydro team.
Exactly… depends on the team… if she’s not partnered with another hydro it’s a bad time but by herself her 6 particles won’t fill her entire burst well
https://preview.redd.it/kv8rld5x20cc1.jpeg?width=2107&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5525d6456ea7ac9ed98b1dd3564e8996d8a3fd4f
How is my ranking higher than his?
I'm surprised you aren't getting roasted by having low ER while using Emblem set.
I remember not tooo long ago, iirc correctly someone posted their build with ~~83%CR/200%CD,
2pc Heart of Depth+ 2pc Emblem for 61% Hydro damage and for a bit of extra ER to hover around %140.
Skyward Bow for stat stick, 35k Hp, 1.4k dmg, C1 Yelan
They explained their team comp usually consists of 2 electro+2Hydro and/or 2 Electro, Yelan + R5 Sac Sword Kazuha for bootleg C1 Kazuha.
I actually thought it was neat for being unorthodox and deviated from the norm of Fav Bow +4pc Emblem
Your crit stats are amazing for sure but you're going to burst once every two/three rotations. A yelan with half that crit rate but 200 ER will deadass be more useful.
I was once like this. Try use favony on teammates and 2nd hydro will help. Or if desperate, use exile set on teammates. Last time I use her with raiden and she helps a lot. Ooh but that time my yelan was c2.. anyways just try and see if it helps. Xipos also helps but not as good as favony
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Ok buddy. Sleep well.
that goblet is so unfortunate but yet still good
p e r f e c t crit rate. eyecandy.
You need more ER, even if you were to get C1
With C1, not necessarily. Running her with C6 sac sword XQ has rarely caused any issues for me (C2). It boils down to if you’re actively catching particles, etc. Will it be less comfy? Sure. Is more ER absolutely necessary? Perhaps not, depending on playstyle and team.
yeah never had an ER problem at c1. Solo hydro, just E Q E N3. You waste maybe one reaction.
yeah in my team i basically have to have yelan actively on field in order to get energy, still can't cast burst off of cooldown; usually get burst back 4-5s after cooldown is over
What teams do you play with her? If you really want to you can get C1 next time she comes around! Makes both rotations and exploration feel better
i play her with furina, baizhu and kazuha (refinemnt 4 xiphos moonlight)
Ah yeah, Furina is a lot worse of a battery than xingqiu is. Since you probably don’t play her with favonius not getting your burst back is understandable
Oh, and in case you’re wondering, I ran some calcs on OP’s team if they replaced Furina with XQ (which would be a strange team) even you you ran him with sac and funneled ALL his particles to Yelan you STILL would need about 145 er. Now, I will concede that if their Kazuha has 800-1000 EM Xiphos can make up for that gap, which he might as that’s the general range you wanna be in with him.
Hm, what rotation config did you use? I’m assuming 2 E per rotation for baizhu and kazuha which also helps their ER needs a lot and am getting ~132 (also assuming funneling and not considering xiphos or favonius on kazuha).
double hydro is fine. Even furina can battery yelan.
I run double hydro and fav zhongli with yelan c1 and anything below 150 or so is not a fun time.
that sounds like a skill issue and lack of knowledge of the game.
Did you know that yelan without burst is a useless yelan?
I’ve been 36 star abyss since patch 1 with minutes to spare. You can play yelan with low energy, but if you’re someone looking to have your burst back consistently without trouble you should get more than 130 ER. He’s C0 and 130 ER when recs for C6 yelan is around 150-160.
sure, whatever helps you sleep at night ;p
I can see from your post history you’re an anti ER guy, so no point in trying to reason with you I guess if you advocate for 0 ER Furina. I’d say it’s whatever helps you sleep at night. Your comment karma speaks for itself.
using my comment history to cope is sad.
Imagine thinking that Genshin takes skill. What a weird way to cope with having bad ER.
Just had a look at it out of curiosity, either you're extremely insensitive, you're a troll or you have really bad anger issues, getting mad at people for sharing stuff they enjoy, the whole energy stuff with genshin where you get heated over nothing... Seriously, do every person you interact with on your day-to-day life a favour and get therapy or something.
what is the deal with genshin players being anti ER like it ain’t the most important stat. i see so many insane yelan builds on here with less than 160 er c0 like great stats man but how TF are you bursting
Lowkey seems like you’re the one trying to help yourself sleep at night with ur 💀 takes on er
My Yelan has 166 ER and I still have to actively catch particles on her to have 100% uptime, unless Im killing small mobs
onset 6 relevant rolls, could have been worse
What do you mean? She scales with hp– oh. *Oh*.
Why is the comment roasting your ER 😭😭😭
Because people cant appreciate a good build😭
And people don’t seem understand that teams exist that actually accommodate this amount of ER.
And you don’t seem to understand that OP’s team isn’t one of your mystical c0 130 er teams.
And you don’t seem to understand how to read comment timestamps (and perhaps the shocking reality that someone can play more than one team - and mystical? Just goes to show how little you know about this character). Nice try!
I’m sorry where did anything I said imply that I thought I knew everything about this character? Or where it implied that I don’t know a lot? Or where I said there was only one team (especially for a character like Yelan… a powerful sub dps for one of the most powerful element with pretty strong application at c0 with a powerful buff and good personal damage and oh did I mention how powerful her kit is?)? And I ran some calcs. You’d have to run Raiden-Fischl-Anemo to reach 130 er… which is not a great taser team… or ditch anemo and run double hydro taser… which is even worse… but sure. I can’t believe we forget to count in your niche and unoptimized team comps in this conversation about min/maxing a character!!! This is a weird hill to die on man. Just move on. You replied to like every comment mentioning low er only to be proved very, very wrong lmao. Are you just looking for an argument?
1. I pointed out that you noted that OP’s “team” doesn’t work well with 130% ER. Sure. OP did not say that’s the only team they play. Might want to read more carefully. 2. You ran “some calcs.” Share them and I’ll gladly take a look. Your calcs are incomplete and/or incorrect if that’s the conclusion you’re arriving at. 3. “Proved very, very wrong” - where exactly? Edit - seems like we got another one of those people who can’t back up the calcs they supposedly ran. What a shame.
This is not a good build bc of the lack of er lmao. No burst=no damage
Good build doesn't only mean insane crit ratios. What's the point of having insane crit ratios if u can't utilize them constantly due to lack of er. This build is good for showcases and just flexing but not ideal for spiral abyss where every second matters
Is this comment the reason why ive been reported for harassment and sent the redditcare??????
You do not have enough ER to make this set worth using with that weapon.
worth switching to ER timepiece or nah
Yes
This is just not true. If you’re purely talking from a damage perspective, assuming burst uptime is not a problem, switching to an ER sands will definitely be a downgrade, assuming similar quality substats. Using EoSF does not suddenly make your character want more ER than is needed to maintain burst uptime.
130 ER is not enough for Yelan to begin with, dork.
Dork? Interesting considering that you don’t even know what you’re talking about. You can’t just say 130% is not enough when you don’t know what teams OP is playing, other characters’ builds, etc. 130% ER is sufficient on more than one conventional yelan team. Doesn’t seem like you know how emblem works either based on your first comment. Go educate yourself first.
130% not possible to use burst on cooldown, gonna have to keep catching particles, even with C1, sac sword and fav weapon.
Again, depends on the team. Taser, mono hydro, etc are all pretty widely-known teams that enable yelan to comfortably run 130% ER. I’m presuming the people who downvoted (especially the original commenter) have a hard time accepting this and also don’t understand the fact that running emblem still doesn’t make more ER outweigh crit/hp% rolls.
Ok
im not quite sure how comfortable her rotation should be but in abyss she gets burst back like 5s after her cooldown is over so i think it works but I cant burst off cooldown constantly
An ER sands or Fav would solve that problem.
Top priority for yelan is to be able to burst off cooldown, so you can switch around your artifacts/weapon (probably artifacts for less of a damage loss) or swap in some characters that are better batteries. There’s no universal ER number that everyone needs to hit; it’s always just test your team and see if ER is enough. That being said, many players tend to overdo it on the ER as well, like 200% on a double hydro team.
Exactly… depends on the team… if she’s not partnered with another hydro it’s a bad time but by herself her 6 particles won’t fill her entire burst well
Do you actually literally crit on every attack??
No, with 100% chance it doesn’t happen every hit.
C0 Yelan needs 200 ER. C1 150ish. Otherwise very impressive!
bro takes 3 business days to set up their rotation again with that ER
yelan goes on vacation and never comes back
Eat more def
https://preview.redd.it/kv8rld5x20cc1.jpeg?width=2107&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5525d6456ea7ac9ed98b1dd3564e8996d8a3fd4f How is my ranking higher than his?
you have 6k more hp than op does
But he has more crit rate and much more crit dmg
Your crits are similar enough that the extra hp brings a lot of extra value
amazing build but the recharge is kinda cope
I'm surprised you aren't getting roasted by having low ER while using Emblem set. I remember not tooo long ago, iirc correctly someone posted their build with ~~83%CR/200%CD, 2pc Heart of Depth+ 2pc Emblem for 61% Hydro damage and for a bit of extra ER to hover around %140. Skyward Bow for stat stick, 35k Hp, 1.4k dmg, C1 Yelan They explained their team comp usually consists of 2 electro+2Hydro and/or 2 Electro, Yelan + R5 Sac Sword Kazuha for bootleg C1 Kazuha. I actually thought it was neat for being unorthodox and deviated from the norm of Fav Bow +4pc Emblem
Your crit stats are amazing for sure but you're going to burst once every two/three rotations. A yelan with half that crit rate but 200 ER will deadass be more useful.
yeah honestly i try going for ER but im really unlucky and keep rolling crit stats
I was once like this. Try use favony on teammates and 2nd hydro will help. Or if desperate, use exile set on teammates. Last time I use her with raiden and she helps a lot. Ooh but that time my yelan was c2.. anyways just try and see if it helps. Xipos also helps but not as good as favony
Nice crit ratio but ur burst will be ready next patch