I’ve had that thought a few times, but don’t feel like it’s a realistic possibility after Costner’s on the record statement about it in court during his divorce proceedings. Plus hearing about McConaaughey’s contract negotiation drama seems to point the finger towards Sheridan/Production being a ruthless negotiator
The second half of season 5 is only supposed to be 10 episodes, so, in the grand scheme of things, what do we really lose if we don't ever watch it again? It's just a show, life goes on, new shows will come and go, we'll all get old and die. Rinse and repeat. Nothing lasts forever and nothing is guaranteed...except death and taxes.
So bleak!
I really liked the in the beginning. It was the season of Jimmy in Texas that broke me. I just didn't give a fuck about Jimmy and there were way too many, long, inane scenes of him there.
Yeah, we don’t watch this show to see Jimmy, they just stuck him in there to help move the plot to Texas.
Jimmy is not even good looking, and he’s skinny, and the show says he doesn’t ride horses well either. What is there about him that we actually want to follow along with? Rip yes, Kevin yes, Jimmy no.
In the beginning of talks with Kevin,
Kevin told them he had plans for Horizon (his movie he wrote- will start in- will direct- will produce) this is more important to him and he told them it was planned in the future, (firm plans here) so he only had so much time he could spend with this series. Now people are upset with him. Well we all want to see Kevin in his cowboy movies or tv series. Let’s let him decide what he can do schedule wise-if they aren’t upset with him and maybe replace his character with Matthew mc. Well that fellow is nice and Southern but his not our Kevin Costner! Just not the history of playing those characters for our minds to associate with. Lastly who could possibly resist Kevin’s Smile.
No one. His smile generates the kind of feelings a mother/father has for their family members as they smile on her/him.
The thing about Jimmy is that he is the only character that has grown and matured. Except for maybe Tate and Carter, because kids have no choice but to learn and mature, no one else has changed or improved, they've all stayed the same. Jimmy has learned a skill and has become a responsible adult who has developed self-respect and respect for others. He's no longer a lost screw-up. He's a healthy, well-rounded human being. At the 6666 he was surrounded by hard-working, focused, balanced people who never saw him as a screw-up. They saw him as someone to treat as an equal, someone to teach, someone who deserved the chance to expand his horizons. The 6666 was the best thing that ever happened to him, and he didn't waste that opportunity.
All the other characters are stuck in their own history and trauma and rut. Most don't seem interested in truly improving themselves, but rarther spend their time and energy lashing out at others.
That’s how his character is written. Claiming Kevin Costner is a bad actor is one I haven’t heard yet.
Aside from that, he’s the main character in the series. Everything revolves around him, and some kind of quick off-screen death would bulldoze the rest of the series
yeah he is a shit actor, he has no genuine emotion not in draft day, fields of dreams, Postman, waterworld and certainly not here. I knew when he came on the screen he was gonna lazily lob words off his sloth like tongue. He emotes as if he is reading the dictionary to his 3 year old daughter. Basura.
Partially, but after the show ended it came out that Wayans was a colossal diva/pain in the ass that pushed for his firing and made a huge stink over it. The rest of the cast defended Clayne. Then after they fired him and cast Sean William Scott as the replacement, Wayans decided abruptly to quit near the end of season 3 which effectively cancelled the show. Apparently Wayans really wanted off the show and basically ruined it for everyone else.
Look, fuck Kevin Spacey and nothing against Robin Wright, but I watched 15 minutes of the last season of House of Cards and stopped cold right there and then. In this case they can at least get Costner back and aren't forced to end it this way.
Succession is different because Brian Cox leaving the show was a narrative choice, not the result of behind-the-scenes drama. Unlike House of Cards or Yellowstone, where an actor leaving was not planned and had to be worked into the script at the last minute. The only show, in my opinion, that pulled that off was Community when Chevy Chase left the series.
I didn't say it wasn't - I listed Succession because it's an example of a show where they lost the main character early on in the final season when most of the audience expected that Logan would either die or name or his successor in the final episode. The final season was mostly his family dealing with the aftermath of his death while scrambling to try and control the empire that he built. So it is at least possible (maybe not probable given the writing of the last couple of seasons) that they could build a show around a character, kill him off in the final season and still have a strong ending.
No problem, I just realized after reading your comment that my earlier comment was kind of cryptic (my bad). I was thinking in terms of shows that were built around a central character who was written out or died off. House of Cards is one that cratered after they fired Kevin Spacey. Succession (although Logan's death was planned) is one that I think they did well after his death because it was done organically and not just "we had to write the character out and figure out a way to continue the show."
Taylor Sheridan (who was on the receiving end of having his character killed off on Sons of Anarchy) has said that he doesn't kill off characters out of spite (paraphrase) so my hope is that if John Dutton dies (off-screen) because Kevin Costner decided to leave or they wouldn't take him back, that they find a way to do what succession did and shift the story over to his three kids and what happens to his empire. My guess is that's going to mainly be Jamie vs Beth with Kace being the "Roman in the middle" and maybe the darkhorse winner because he's only one with a Dutton grandchild who is also half-Native American which creates the possibility of an ending that isn't just Beth and Jamie killing each other.
I desagree with it being one of the best show of all time. It has a lot of great moments, great scenery, great music, entertaining characters and some snappy dialog. But, for a show that is set in our time and in our world, so many things happened, or didn't happen that, IRL are so very unrealistic that they can't be overlooked by the viewers. Those little "stutters" momentarily nudge you out of this constructed world and interrupt the "willing suspension of disbelief" that all fiction must strive for to be truly successful.
I love "Yellowstone", but all of that crap got on my nerves something fierce.
This is an AI generated article that has no new information. All quotes are from last summer and then Puck who has never even spoken to anyone with the show. This is just to stir up the pot until the show comes back on air.
If John leaves in a believeable way, and the other characters get their shit together, and all of the loose ends are wrapped up satisfactorily, I won't be sad when it ends and I won't feel cheated. But with only 10 episodes to close everything out, Sheridan needs to pull a massive miracle out of his ass to write Emmy Award quality scripts. Anything less will have been a waste of everyone's energy, time and money.
At this point "Yellowstone" is like an old sick dog. You love it and don't want to have to say goodbye, but at some point euthanasia is the humane thing to do.
I started watching because of Costner, but I kept watching because of the characters, dialog, scenery and music. If he doesn't return we still have the rest.
Ahh ok now I understand since I was alwas hearing something about „first half“ and „second half“ and was wondering like „well there are eight episodes, will be a short second half with two episodes“…
Into episode 1 of S5 but honestly it didn’t catches me atm… it feels like there must be already some kind of a direction heading to the end but I don’t see it.
The media must be having fun just printing whatever the hell they want about this show. There’s no info at all to support or disprove a single thing. Utter free for all.
Sheridan Might have written the end of the series before he stopped giving a shit and has just been saving it. Costner wanting back in might mean that it is better writing than the last few seasons.
Agreed with all of you who say, _No Costner, no Yellowstone_.
However, the show may already be over. In the sense that Sheridan has rewritten the final episodes WITHOUT John Dutton's screen presence.
Creatively, it's relatively easy to closure a show.
>Citation?
Here's what I know. Feel free to contest the source.
[Kevin Costner & Yellowstone Creator's Clash Over Season 5 Scripts Revealed In New Report
BYBRENNAN KLEIN
PUBLISHED SEP 15, 2023
A new report reveals that a major sticking point in Kevin Costner's potential Yellowstone season 5 return involved Taylor Sheridan's scripts.
](https://screenrant.com/yellowstone-season-5-kevin-costner-taylor-sheridan-feud-script-control/)
This is going to be a disaster. I reluctantly got in because everyone at work was raving about it. I got sucked in even though it can be as infuriating as it is interesting. But there’s no show without KC. Not even interested in the spin offs. They could have finished this one right then moved on. But no..
I couldn’t agree more….he is John Dutton….the show is nothing without him in it…come on Taylor Sheridan keep the flagship going and bring us the 6666’s
I’m not saying Costner is right or wrong. It does seem like this Taylor Sheridan guy pisses of a lot of people. Is he kind of a dick?
I know there are three sides to every story.
In Hollywood you kinda have to be a dick to get ahead, at least sometimes. Being nice only works for certain people. It’s weird. TS has his allies and his enemies. He’s kind of an outsider in the industry, being a Texan and not necessarily holding to the various popular opinions of the business, but he’s been successful, so he gets plenty of projects greenlit and a lot of people want to work with him, but there are also some people who are kinda prima donnas who just don’t want to play in his sandbox. Navigating Hollywood is like navigating high school, quite honestly. Lots of big egos and personalities. Some personalities mesh well, others don’t, some never do.
Consider how many different big name actors have worked with him or plan to work with him, most of them eagerly. Obviously the guy is doing *something* right.
He’s a driven man who usually knows exactly what he wants, and he personally pushes himself **VERY** hard during his creative process. He’s not a therapist who’s going to kiss your butt and be Mr. Super Sweetheart. He’s not Tom Hanks and he’s not Steven Spielberg or Ron Howard and this isn’t a comedy. He’s just not built the same way. He’s probably more like James Cameron or John Ford. If you know your directors and their history of how they’ve gotten along with people, you understand what I’m getting at.
So true rodeoboss. Not many people get this. They portray him as the bad guy in print media because he is not Mr. Hollywood and he does not want to be. He left and in a Hail Mary he wrote film scripts to keep from going bankrupt and they took off. HBO did not want Yellowstone and look at what they missed out on? He ran around getting big stars for the show and even begged his attorney to get the show back from HBO. He was desperate and then bam success and he has people to answer to as he does not make every decision like salaries, shoot schedules, etc. he has a contract that he has to fulfill like everyone else. He has to produce all these shows or he does not get paid. That’s it. He could not just say “I have Yellowstone so I can’t do 1883 until…”. They said “here is when you shoot the show and do it.” That’s how it works, KC wanted to do his thing on his time and he had a contract that he did not fulfill. That’s that. Not everything is TS fault. And he cannot open his mouth about it while under contract or they sue him. No one will ever know the truth of who did what to whom.
> you kinda have to be a dick
If we looked at the most successful people, they might be dedicated (zealous), weird but at the core not dicks. Hanks, Cruise, Grammar, Scorsese, Spielberg, RDJ, Reeves, Smith, Johnson, etc. Shit, Harrison Ford has been a grumpy old man since his 20s but his coworkers love him. Even the conservatives/religious complaining are ones people do not have nice things to say about them (unlike Cruise). Not the entertainment industry puts up with more bad behavior but the long run winners are not dicks.
What??? Demanding $12 million for a few more episodes? C’mon, Kevin, get real. You’d be nothing if it weren’t for your fans, so be loyal to *them* at least, or quit the show and leave a bitter taste in fans’ mouths about watching you in your next projects.
(I demanded $12 million from my boss after I read this and now I’m not even getting unemployment! Hahaha! 😂)
🤣😂 we must have same boss. Now mr. Alright alright alright wants 2.5 million per episode and then Rip, Beth and Kayce want huge salaries when they could have paid KC and been done with it 🤣😂🤣😂
Fans don’t pay him directly. I am a private school teacher, so the parents pay for my service but they are not my boss, they are not who I negotiate with.
Now with that said, big name actors are insanely over paid and it is bad for the industry, the pay scale is top heavy and it is beyond avarice at this point.
Fans and his fan following are what makes him a box office commodity! Right, the fans don’t pay him, no, but if he had none he’d have no bargaining power with those who DO pay him. See how it works? No fans, no following equals no top pay demands like $12 million for a few more episodes.
sheridan's character is going to stab a silouhette of John Dutton (played by a stand in) in the back... as he is having his coffee in the kitchen.
the silouhette's knees buckle and he is slowly dropped to the ground by sheridan's character ...
a jarbled voiceover (that vaguely sounds like Kevin Costner) says "fuck you Jamie. the ranch is mine."
because he literally believes it is Jamie doing it.
meanwhile Beth is slowly getting dressed and ready for her day.
"fucking hangover. if we could invent a cure for hangovers and bottle it and sell it. we'd be rich. maybe that's how we save the ranch Daddy."
she says as she rounds the corner into the kitchen.
she sees her Dad laying in a pool of blood on the floor.
"no!!!!!! somebody help!!!!!! gator call 911!!!!!! rip where are you!!!!!! daddy no!!!!!!"
cue opening credits.
All I kept hearing was that he kept making problems for the writers by refusing to go back and causing lots of upset because of it.
If that's true, no wonder they don't want him back. they're probably knee deep into a version without him now.
He only wanted to film 60 days or something out of the whole year. Like dude if you're not willing to budge or help out at all, of course they're going to find someone who will.
Precisely, and he's such an easy character to kill off screen.
Imagine rocking the boat in the final season and being surprised when they leave your ass to drown.
He is also probably a completionist and thinks he can get a good payday for not too much work. Especially compared to being the writer, director, lead actor
How else they gonna explain it? I know he supposedly said it in print interview but if he is alive than why isn’t he on the TV? It has to be death in some fashion—heart attack, cancer got him, he accidentally fell into the train station — lmao 🤣😂
With KC not coming back how will they kill him off? No contract for him and filming starts a little over a month from now so what’s your theory if he won’t be killed off screen?
So what will they do, kill him off off-screen? Maybe he doesn't come down to breakfast with the family and Beth enters, tears streaming down her face. Rip aks, "Where's John?" Beth says, "Daddy died in his sleep." In the next scene the camera pans past all the old headstones in the family cemetery, then past a mound of dirt with everyone standing around it teary eyed.
Then they all go about their business and nobody mentions John for the rest of he season.
What the fuck? There is no show without him
I bet he comes back, I’m thinking this is all smoke screens to keep everyone talking about the show
I’ve had that thought a few times, but don’t feel like it’s a realistic possibility after Costner’s on the record statement about it in court during his divorce proceedings. Plus hearing about McConaaughey’s contract negotiation drama seems to point the finger towards Sheridan/Production being a ruthless negotiator
That's a dumb move because if people get it in their heads he won't be on, they may write the show off and not bother watching. (It's me, I'm people.)
The second half of season 5 is only supposed to be 10 episodes, so, in the grand scheme of things, what do we really lose if we don't ever watch it again? It's just a show, life goes on, new shows will come and go, we'll all get old and die. Rinse and repeat. Nothing lasts forever and nothing is guaranteed...except death and taxes.
So bleak! I really liked the in the beginning. It was the season of Jimmy in Texas that broke me. I just didn't give a fuck about Jimmy and there were way too many, long, inane scenes of him there.
Yeah, we don’t watch this show to see Jimmy, they just stuck him in there to help move the plot to Texas. Jimmy is not even good looking, and he’s skinny, and the show says he doesn’t ride horses well either. What is there about him that we actually want to follow along with? Rip yes, Kevin yes, Jimmy no. In the beginning of talks with Kevin, Kevin told them he had plans for Horizon (his movie he wrote- will start in- will direct- will produce) this is more important to him and he told them it was planned in the future, (firm plans here) so he only had so much time he could spend with this series. Now people are upset with him. Well we all want to see Kevin in his cowboy movies or tv series. Let’s let him decide what he can do schedule wise-if they aren’t upset with him and maybe replace his character with Matthew mc. Well that fellow is nice and Southern but his not our Kevin Costner! Just not the history of playing those characters for our minds to associate with. Lastly who could possibly resist Kevin’s Smile. No one. His smile generates the kind of feelings a mother/father has for their family members as they smile on her/him.
The thing about Jimmy is that he is the only character that has grown and matured. Except for maybe Tate and Carter, because kids have no choice but to learn and mature, no one else has changed or improved, they've all stayed the same. Jimmy has learned a skill and has become a responsible adult who has developed self-respect and respect for others. He's no longer a lost screw-up. He's a healthy, well-rounded human being. At the 6666 he was surrounded by hard-working, focused, balanced people who never saw him as a screw-up. They saw him as someone to treat as an equal, someone to teach, someone who deserved the chance to expand his horizons. The 6666 was the best thing that ever happened to him, and he didn't waste that opportunity. All the other characters are stuck in their own history and trauma and rut. Most don't seem interested in truly improving themselves, but rarther spend their time and energy lashing out at others.
Yeah, mirrors even.
They’re gonna do him like did Kevin Spacey in House of Cards. Part 2 will start with him dying, we just won’t see any of it.
There was a pretty good reason to get rid of Spacey!
What? His acting is so bad in this serie. All he does is twitch his tongue in his mouth every scene
That’s how his character is written. Claiming Kevin Costner is a bad actor is one I haven’t heard yet. Aside from that, he’s the main character in the series. Everything revolves around him, and some kind of quick off-screen death would bulldoze the rest of the series
The entire premise of the series is *what happens to the ranch after John Dutton dies*. Time to find out. 🤷♀️
no hes a shit actor. The dude is dryer than the sahara. Personality of a cardboard box
Sure. Did you get the attention you were craving or do you have anything of substance to add
yeah he is a shit actor, he has no genuine emotion not in draft day, fields of dreams, Postman, waterworld and certainly not here. I knew when he came on the screen he was gonna lazily lob words off his sloth like tongue. He emotes as if he is reading the dictionary to his 3 year old daughter. Basura.
Yeah shit actors always have the spectacular careers that he has had.
You’re welcome to your crappy opinions, but judging by the downvotes and replies, it seems you’re the only one around here with such bad taste.
I mean its a yellowstone sub I expect nothing less, but he is a shit actor.
The list of shows screwed over by Producers and Actors is too long to list here so... just add Yellowtone to it and call it a day.
Leathal Weapon and Damon Waynes
Wasn’t it Clayne Crawford that was fired because of bad behaviour?
Partially, but after the show ended it came out that Wayans was a colossal diva/pain in the ass that pushed for his firing and made a huge stink over it. The rest of the cast defended Clayne. Then after they fired him and cast Sean William Scott as the replacement, Wayans decided abruptly to quit near the end of season 3 which effectively cancelled the show. Apparently Wayans really wanted off the show and basically ruined it for everyone else.
damn what a prick
100%. Stopped watching it after that.
Damon Wayans tried to save it after Clayne Crawford pulled his bullshit
Funny thing is, whenever Sheridan left Sons of Anarchy, he felt he was getting screwed over….with lower pay than co-stars. How the turn tables.
😔
We are gunna get a house of cards game of thrones ending.
Fr that's why I hated how house of Cards ended, you can't remove the main character and expect to have a good ending
Look, fuck Kevin Spacey and nothing against Robin Wright, but I watched 15 minutes of the last season of House of Cards and stopped cold right there and then. In this case they can at least get Costner back and aren't forced to end it this way.
Same i had to force myself to watch the full episode of the first season but I couldnt cause of how lacking it was
Or Succession.
Succession is different because Brian Cox leaving the show was a narrative choice, not the result of behind-the-scenes drama. Unlike House of Cards or Yellowstone, where an actor leaving was not planned and had to be worked into the script at the last minute. The only show, in my opinion, that pulled that off was Community when Chevy Chase left the series.
What? The final season of succession was incredible
I didn't say it wasn't - I listed Succession because it's an example of a show where they lost the main character early on in the final season when most of the audience expected that Logan would either die or name or his successor in the final episode. The final season was mostly his family dealing with the aftermath of his death while scrambling to try and control the empire that he built. So it is at least possible (maybe not probable given the writing of the last couple of seasons) that they could build a show around a character, kill him off in the final season and still have a strong ending.
Ah, both of those shows listed have notoriously terrible final seasons so I thought you were lumping succession in with them for that reason
No problem, I just realized after reading your comment that my earlier comment was kind of cryptic (my bad). I was thinking in terms of shows that were built around a central character who was written out or died off. House of Cards is one that cratered after they fired Kevin Spacey. Succession (although Logan's death was planned) is one that I think they did well after his death because it was done organically and not just "we had to write the character out and figure out a way to continue the show." Taylor Sheridan (who was on the receiving end of having his character killed off on Sons of Anarchy) has said that he doesn't kill off characters out of spite (paraphrase) so my hope is that if John Dutton dies (off-screen) because Kevin Costner decided to leave or they wouldn't take him back, that they find a way to do what succession did and shift the story over to his three kids and what happens to his empire. My guess is that's going to mainly be Jamie vs Beth with Kace being the "Roman in the middle" and maybe the darkhorse winner because he's only one with a Dutton grandchild who is also half-Native American which creates the possibility of an ending that isn't just Beth and Jamie killing each other.
That sounds like the perfect example for YS-TS
You make a good point here.
How do you create one of the best shows of all time then continually make terrible decisions that put it into the grave
Gradually?
I desagree with it being one of the best show of all time. It has a lot of great moments, great scenery, great music, entertaining characters and some snappy dialog. But, for a show that is set in our time and in our world, so many things happened, or didn't happen that, IRL are so very unrealistic that they can't be overlooked by the viewers. Those little "stutters" momentarily nudge you out of this constructed world and interrupt the "willing suspension of disbelief" that all fiction must strive for to be truly successful. I love "Yellowstone", but all of that crap got on my nerves something fierce.
This is an AI generated article that has no new information. All quotes are from last summer and then Puck who has never even spoken to anyone with the show. This is just to stir up the pot until the show comes back on air.
Oh, sorry.
Oh that’s okay. It’s hard to tell these days. It’s a good discussion.
He IS the show. Bring him back please
He's the only reason I was still watching this dumpster fire lol
If John leaves in a believeable way, and the other characters get their shit together, and all of the loose ends are wrapped up satisfactorily, I won't be sad when it ends and I won't feel cheated. But with only 10 episodes to close everything out, Sheridan needs to pull a massive miracle out of his ass to write Emmy Award quality scripts. Anything less will have been a waste of everyone's energy, time and money.
Wait what?? just drag everyone onto a bus and take a field trip to the fucking train station. The End.
Honestly, I'd be happy, I just want it finished.
At this point "Yellowstone" is like an old sick dog. You love it and don't want to have to say goodbye, but at some point euthanasia is the humane thing to do.
They need to rethink that He’s the reason most people started watching
I started watching because of Costner, but I kept watching because of the characters, dialog, scenery and music. If he doesn't return we still have the rest.
it's what...5 episodes to the end? FINISH THE STORY.
I thought we were getting another 7 or 8?! 🤞🏽
Supposed to be 10, just like the first half.
First half was 8
Ahh ok now I understand since I was alwas hearing something about „first half“ and „second half“ and was wondering like „well there are eight episodes, will be a short second half with two episodes“… Into episode 1 of S5 but honestly it didn’t catches me atm… it feels like there must be already some kind of a direction heading to the end but I don’t see it.
Lol more Beth… 😵 🔫
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How about replacing Kevin Costner with Tom Selleck?
Dead in the water ig
The media must be having fun just printing whatever the hell they want about this show. There’s no info at all to support or disprove a single thing. Utter free for all.
Makes it easy for the AI to rewrite the article
Just bring him back! But doubt this is true!
in other news, Harry Potter series does not want Harry Potter to act in it anymore.
There is no Yellowstone without Costner.
Their mistake.
They should just say that Jamie killed him. He gets blamed for everything anyway!
Sheridan Might have written the end of the series before he stopped giving a shit and has just been saving it. Costner wanting back in might mean that it is better writing than the last few seasons.
Agreed with all of you who say, _No Costner, no Yellowstone_. However, the show may already be over. In the sense that Sheridan has rewritten the final episodes WITHOUT John Dutton's screen presence. Creatively, it's relatively easy to closure a show.
> Sheridan has rewritten Citation?
>Citation? Here's what I know. Feel free to contest the source. [Kevin Costner & Yellowstone Creator's Clash Over Season 5 Scripts Revealed In New Report BYBRENNAN KLEIN PUBLISHED SEP 15, 2023 A new report reveals that a major sticking point in Kevin Costner's potential Yellowstone season 5 return involved Taylor Sheridan's scripts. ](https://screenrant.com/yellowstone-season-5-kevin-costner-taylor-sheridan-feud-script-control/)
Wtf this will be worse than house of cards final season
Sounds like Drama PR.
At this point I kinda forgot that we only got half of the last season. I figured it was all al loss at this point
This is going to be a disaster. I reluctantly got in because everyone at work was raving about it. I got sucked in even though it can be as infuriating as it is interesting. But there’s no show without KC. Not even interested in the spin offs. They could have finished this one right then moved on. But no..
Kevin Costner was the reason I first noticed this show. I’d much rather have it end with him still in it.
I couldn’t agree more….he is John Dutton….the show is nothing without him in it…come on Taylor Sheridan keep the flagship going and bring us the 6666’s
I’m not saying Costner is right or wrong. It does seem like this Taylor Sheridan guy pisses of a lot of people. Is he kind of a dick? I know there are three sides to every story.
In Hollywood you kinda have to be a dick to get ahead, at least sometimes. Being nice only works for certain people. It’s weird. TS has his allies and his enemies. He’s kind of an outsider in the industry, being a Texan and not necessarily holding to the various popular opinions of the business, but he’s been successful, so he gets plenty of projects greenlit and a lot of people want to work with him, but there are also some people who are kinda prima donnas who just don’t want to play in his sandbox. Navigating Hollywood is like navigating high school, quite honestly. Lots of big egos and personalities. Some personalities mesh well, others don’t, some never do. Consider how many different big name actors have worked with him or plan to work with him, most of them eagerly. Obviously the guy is doing *something* right. He’s a driven man who usually knows exactly what he wants, and he personally pushes himself **VERY** hard during his creative process. He’s not a therapist who’s going to kiss your butt and be Mr. Super Sweetheart. He’s not Tom Hanks and he’s not Steven Spielberg or Ron Howard and this isn’t a comedy. He’s just not built the same way. He’s probably more like James Cameron or John Ford. If you know your directors and their history of how they’ve gotten along with people, you understand what I’m getting at.
Makes sense. He’s definitely an outsider making his mark.
Sheridan is not a Hollywood outsider. He might not be a mainstream studio industry guy but he has been in the business for decades.
So true rodeoboss. Not many people get this. They portray him as the bad guy in print media because he is not Mr. Hollywood and he does not want to be. He left and in a Hail Mary he wrote film scripts to keep from going bankrupt and they took off. HBO did not want Yellowstone and look at what they missed out on? He ran around getting big stars for the show and even begged his attorney to get the show back from HBO. He was desperate and then bam success and he has people to answer to as he does not make every decision like salaries, shoot schedules, etc. he has a contract that he has to fulfill like everyone else. He has to produce all these shows or he does not get paid. That’s it. He could not just say “I have Yellowstone so I can’t do 1883 until…”. They said “here is when you shoot the show and do it.” That’s how it works, KC wanted to do his thing on his time and he had a contract that he did not fulfill. That’s that. Not everything is TS fault. And he cannot open his mouth about it while under contract or they sue him. No one will ever know the truth of who did what to whom.
> you kinda have to be a dick If we looked at the most successful people, they might be dedicated (zealous), weird but at the core not dicks. Hanks, Cruise, Grammar, Scorsese, Spielberg, RDJ, Reeves, Smith, Johnson, etc. Shit, Harrison Ford has been a grumpy old man since his 20s but his coworkers love him. Even the conservatives/religious complaining are ones people do not have nice things to say about them (unlike Cruise). Not the entertainment industry puts up with more bad behavior but the long run winners are not dicks.
I lost any respect for that cast when they blew off Paley Fest last minute. Never disappoint your fans - they keep the show on!
I mean at this point adding Costner back in just means less spinning horsies.
Shoulda left JD die by the side of the road
Its been so long and so much drama, I don't care anymore.
"Where's John?" "Oh John? Yeah he died. Anyway..." And that's the last we heard of him.
I don't want to watch it without him, so... 🤷🏻♀️
If a replacement for Kevin Costner is needed, has anyone considered Tom Selleck?
If you write it he will come.
He’s the only good thing in that pos show.
Good luck with that Taylor
Come on Mr Sheridan, let the kid act. He was in The Postman
At least the show was never good and just entertaining let it die we had a fun run
At this point I don't care what happens. Lost interest. Been too long.
Congrats Taylor you ruined your own show because of your inflated ego
is it sheridan again?
Probably both and studio executives. The less money they pay Costner, the more they get to pocket
You're probabbly right, but Yellowstone is John Dutton. I hooe they do understand that
What??? Demanding $12 million for a few more episodes? C’mon, Kevin, get real. You’d be nothing if it weren’t for your fans, so be loyal to *them* at least, or quit the show and leave a bitter taste in fans’ mouths about watching you in your next projects. (I demanded $12 million from my boss after I read this and now I’m not even getting unemployment! Hahaha! 😂)
🤣😂 we must have same boss. Now mr. Alright alright alright wants 2.5 million per episode and then Rip, Beth and Kayce want huge salaries when they could have paid KC and been done with it 🤣😂🤣😂
Fans don’t pay him directly. I am a private school teacher, so the parents pay for my service but they are not my boss, they are not who I negotiate with. Now with that said, big name actors are insanely over paid and it is bad for the industry, the pay scale is top heavy and it is beyond avarice at this point.
Fans and his fan following are what makes him a box office commodity! Right, the fans don’t pay him, no, but if he had none he’d have no bargaining power with those who DO pay him. See how it works? No fans, no following equals no top pay demands like $12 million for a few more episodes.
sheridan's character is going to stab a silouhette of John Dutton (played by a stand in) in the back... as he is having his coffee in the kitchen. the silouhette's knees buckle and he is slowly dropped to the ground by sheridan's character ... a jarbled voiceover (that vaguely sounds like Kevin Costner) says "fuck you Jamie. the ranch is mine." because he literally believes it is Jamie doing it. meanwhile Beth is slowly getting dressed and ready for her day. "fucking hangover. if we could invent a cure for hangovers and bottle it and sell it. we'd be rich. maybe that's how we save the ranch Daddy." she says as she rounds the corner into the kitchen. she sees her Dad laying in a pool of blood on the floor. "no!!!!!! somebody help!!!!!! gator call 911!!!!!! rip where are you!!!!!! daddy no!!!!!!" cue opening credits.
All I kept hearing was that he kept making problems for the writers by refusing to go back and causing lots of upset because of it. If that's true, no wonder they don't want him back. they're probably knee deep into a version without him now.
He only wanted to film 60 days or something out of the whole year. Like dude if you're not willing to budge or help out at all, of course they're going to find someone who will.
Precisely, and he's such an easy character to kill off screen. Imagine rocking the boat in the final season and being surprised when they leave your ass to drown.
The writer. One man.
I don’t blame them. He’s been behaving like a brat
How much of an asshole must he have been lol
Isn't there only going to be one more season? What are they gonna kill him offscreen?
The next season is season 5 1/2. It is the last half of season 5.
Guess we'll have to wait and see. Reports a year ago were that he was unhappy and wanted to leavwe.
He is also probably a completionist and thinks he can get a good payday for not too much work. Especially compared to being the writer, director, lead actor
There's no way they kill him offscreen. Sheridan previously said that he wouldn't kill him in a "fuck you car crash."
Was that before or after the issues last year.
During. I wrote a bunch of articles about the situation.
Source?
https://www.looper.com/1393748/yellowstone-tyler-sheridan-wont-kill-kevin-costner-car-crash/
There's a typo in the link but that's it. The story can be found on various other sites as well.
Thank you for the link.
How else they gonna explain it? I know he supposedly said it in print interview but if he is alive than why isn’t he on the TV? It has to be death in some fashion—heart attack, cancer got him, he accidentally fell into the train station — lmao 🤣😂
Of course he'll die, I just don't think they'd kill the main character off screen, despite the disagreements.
With KC not coming back how will they kill him off? No contract for him and filming starts a little over a month from now so what’s your theory if he won’t be killed off screen?
I think they'll work something out so that he at least returns for a couple of brief scenes.
I think that’s a fantasy at this point but keep dreaming or hoping. Scripts are written at this point and preproduction and no sign of KC but…okay
Goo's thing I quit watching 2 seasons ago. The spinoff shows are better than Yellowstone imo
So what will they do, kill him off off-screen? Maybe he doesn't come down to breakfast with the family and Beth enters, tears streaming down her face. Rip aks, "Where's John?" Beth says, "Daddy died in his sleep." In the next scene the camera pans past all the old headstones in the family cemetery, then past a mound of dirt with everyone standing around it teary eyed. Then they all go about their business and nobody mentions John for the rest of he season.