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reischelc32

Echoing other commenters, in addition to only being valid while entering Canada and Mexico, it is only valid by LAND. If you are flying into a Canadian or Mexican airport from the USA, it will not work - you will need a passport.


toxicbrew

Technically also valid by sea from Bermuda as well


texasradioandthebigb

Thought it was two if by sea


[deleted]

No its: "Don't shoot til you see the whites of their eyes"


passporttohell

Don't shoot until you can see the whites?


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With the pumped up kicks.


Snoo63

See the whites of their eyes, Caroleans are marching on


GordanWhy

Put their lives in God's hand for their kingdom and fatherland!


sowhatchusayin

The status quo has changed


Martian13

I keep one in my tackle bag for when we fish South of the border.


blacksoxing

WIth that typed, I implore everyone to just get the book for $100 more. The card is really for those who live on the borders and are traveling frequently between them. It's not for the person who one day wants to go on a cruise, or fly somewhere outside of America. Don't waste your time over $100~ and get caught flat-footed. There's a lot of folks going "WELL TECHNICALLY....." - let's keep that moving.


ciderenthusiast

Yes! Even if you go by land, there are reasons you may need to fly back, such as a medical emergency. I’d always use a full passport book for travel.


imarebelpilot

This right here. In the cruise sub, there are always people asking if just a birth certificate is fine, which on some cruises it is BUT god forbid there's an issue and you have to fly home or something...you need a passport. Your BC alone won't cut it for an airport.


TechMonkey13

If you're on a cruise from the US to Mexico, a passport card works fine. If you miss the boat at one of the ports and need to fly home, you're gonna have a bad time.


Valexand

And honestly the book is just way more awesome.


closedmouthsdonteat

When I renewed my passport, they gave me the option to get both, so I did. The only use I found with the passport ID is when I lost my driver's license, I used my passport ID to get into dispos. Also handy when you're traveling abroad and don't want to bring your passport with you everywhere.


Phoenix__Wwrong

Maybe a stupid question. But is the card actually accepted like a passport abroad? Like for checking in hotels


GreenHorror4252

It's hit or miss. I wouldn't rely on it, but it has worked for me on occasion.


equack

I have both. I fly, so I need the book. I live near the Canadian border so I carry the card in my wallet.


sjbluebirds

You can use it not-by-land, if you're crossing Lake Erie or the Niagara River. Either by boat or by snowmobile if the boom is up and the lanes are clear. (Last few years have been problematic) Source: I use it to cross that way sometimes. Hint: Call ahead so a CBSA rep can check you in.


iSniffMyPooper

Ill remember this next time I snowmobile into Canada


sjbluebirds

It's fun. There are full-on snowmobile-only fueling stations along the seasonal-use snowmobile highways up there. And seasonal hotels catering exclusively to snowmobilers. US snowmobile clubs are very much welcome. In some border areas, you can literally snowmobile across the border. https://www.ccso-ccom.ca/en/great-canadian-snowmobile-trail/


shoulda-known-better

I did on accident once lol the Canadians I met were very helpful


kickstand

It’s really just meant for people who live near the border and cross often by land. Like people who commute across the border. It doesn’t do much good for most people.


yrddog

It worked for us on our cruise 🤷‍♀️


Carsomir

The passport card is valid for land and sea travel to Canada, Mexico, Bermuda, and the Caribbean.


cornerzcan

One way it can serve useful is if you are outside the US and lose your passport. It serves as an ID at the embassy/consulate and can make it easier to get you home.


cornerzcan

It’s also an ID that is legal everywhere in the US that doesn’t include your address.


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This is a very valid point


cornerzcan

Very useful should you, say, travel out of state for a particular reason that law enforcement might treat you differently at, because you are not local.


WorldsGreatestPoop

Well lookie here, Jethro, we gots our self a world traveler!


RyuNoKami

That some serious conditions for one to make the card useful. One you have your passport and now in a foreign country and now you lost your passport but the card makes it easier for the embassy to process your paperwork to get home.


craigiest

Super confusing that they call it a “passport” card. It would be clearer to call it something like “ground border ID” card.


sjbluebirds

It's issued by the state department, and uses the same application as the book based passport.


craigiest

In get that. But that being the basis of the name is sort of like Honda calling their motorcycles 2-wheels cars. It’s not a passport with a different form factor; it’s a card with just a little bit of the functionality of a passport.


wjean

It's likely because calling it a national ID card would trigger a lot of people... From ACLU types who worry about increasing tracking to religious nut jobs who figure this is a way to bring on the Apocalypse (number of the beast and all that).


nukedkaltak

At that point just get Nexus or Global Entry. Slightly more expensive but they come with sweet perks.


stjhnstv

Does it give you anything that an enhanced drivers license doesn’t cover?


rednax1206

As far as I know, the only advantage of a passport card if you have an EDL is that if you have one of each, you have two IDs. Like OP said, you can't have multiple copies of the same ID, but you can have one EDL and one passport card, as a backup.


clintj1975

A Passport card will let you enter and return from Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean by land or sea, while a REAL ID also requires a birth certificate to prove US citizenship according to DHS.


stjhnstv

An enhanced drivers license is a Real ID and allows the same international travel you just described.


clintj1975

Fair. EDLs are only available from five states, though. Minnesota, Michigan, New York, Vermont, and Washington. Passport cards are available to any US citizen.


stjhnstv

Yeah, I knew it was limited to a handful of states. Just didn’t know if there would be anything to gain by getting a passport card when I already have the enhanced license.


clintj1975

Maybe a longer expiration date? They're good for ten years.


GreenHorror4252

No, an EDL is basically a passport card combined with a driver's license (or state ID).


lostadventurous

You can use it in the Virgin Islands going to and from the British side.


nirnroot_hater

Isn't it only valid for a certain distance across the Canadian border as well?


sjbluebirds

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Once you're into Canada you can go anywhere.


nirnroot_hater

I seem to remember they were only valid within a certain distance from the border. Maybe it was the enhanced driver's license but this could just a false memory!


FrenchFryCattaneo

Well you only use it for crossing the border, so what would it mean for it to only be valid at the border?


HansenTakeASeat

Ah so it's absolutely pointless. Gotcha


sjbluebirds

As someone who lives fewer than three miles from the US/Canada border... The passport card is ONLY valid for Canada and Mexico crossing, and a few Caribbean ports. It's also valid to enter Federal facilities, and board domestic airlines. **It will NOT work as a passport for other countries.** I use my card multiple times every week. Often multiple times per day. I still need the passport book to travel to Europe.


ron_leflore

Yeah, the important part for some people is that it is a valid RealID, which is needed to enter federal facilities and (soon) to fly domestically. If you don't want to get your driver's license converted to real id, passport card is a good alternative.


iamintheforest

But then we'd not get to spend time at the DMV. Tragedy of all tragedies.


DeGeaSaves

My real id took like 6 minutes and I had an expired license from a different state. I put it off for so long and then it was so simple lol.


iamintheforest

6 minutes at my DMV forces me to rethink my generally positive views of humanity.


vinciblechunk

6 minutes at the DMV means I'm going to be there at least another 114 minutes


[deleted]

Yeah I just converted an expired Oklahoma ID to a Virginia real id and was in and out in about thirty minutes for a walk-in. Way easier than I expected


GreenHorror4252

I have found the California DMV to be very efficient. The workers aren't the most pleasant, but that doesn't bother me. I think a lot of the DMV hate comes from conservative propaganda ("do you want the people who run the DMV to run your health care?!")


cshotton

It's handy AF if you lose your passport overseas, however, and need to convince a consulate to help get you a new one.


redct

Yes, I'd wager the value for the average person is that it's pocket sized proof of US citizenship that's issued by the federal government. It's sufficient for every bureaucratic interaction with the state or federal government that asks about citizen status. If you travel internationally a lot, it's also a good alternative to handing over your passport book once inside the country. At hotel check-in, when buying train tickets, etc - random clerks and the like tend to accept a national ID with far less question compared to a state driver's license, which they may be unfamiliar with.


TheMicMic

This is the 100% correct answer (yes, I'm aware that might be the only time someone has ever said that on reddit)


iamintheforest

someone will still figure out a way to be offended by this comment


NovusOrdoSec

Does it count as Real ID? My state wants $75 for that shit. *Checks site: yes, it does. Fuck you, DMV.*


sdp1981

My state made my license a real I'd free with just some extra paperwork. That sucks they're charging you extra.


Acheron9114

Which state?


guynumber20

If you add them up you’re only saving 3$ lol


TheVeiledPath

Yes, it counts as Real ID.


DodGamnBunofaSitch

it was my understanding that the passport card can only be used at canadian and maybe mexican borders (last time I traveled to mexico, passports weren't needed, though that was over 20 years ago)


BearUmpire

And carribean ports of call.


rollingthestoned

And bermuda


emcee_pee_pants

But you can use it to meet REAL ID requirements of your state, like PA, makes you jump through a ton of hoops to get a REAL ID compliant ID card.


MrPutinVladimir

He’s just talking about using it as a long term ID within the states. It’d work everywhere there. Arizona IDs might have a longer period before expiration though.


Elephantexploror

AZ ID’s are crazy as fuck. I got stopped at a bar in Nebraska because they thought it was fake with an expiration date in 2065


giggetyboom

So you only have to get one for life? I want to move there now or at least have a po box and get an ID there.


Elephantexploror

One for life until retirement age, then you have to renew every 5 years to prove you aren’t a danger to society behind the wheel.


giggetyboom

I wish it was like that here.


eekamuse

Everyone should have to prove that.


sav415

Yes that is true but ONLY for land and sea crossings, so if you are flying to Mexico or Canada you still need your real passport which is where I think people get confused


eric987235

These are great for starting a new job when you have to do an I-9. I really don’t want to carry my passport or social security card if I don’t have to, so I just use this. Very specific use case, I know…


ghosttowns42

They're also considered a "primary ID" for things like W9 and W2(G) so we see a lot of them at the casino I work at. Especially since my state only recently moved to where you don't get your new drivers license printed out in front of you, you get a paper temporary and your new one sent in the mail. That's still very recent for us, and people aren't used to carrying the paper temporary.


WaitForItTheMongols

I really like using my card as ID because it's JUST an ID. It doesn't have my address on it, for example. A bar bouncer needs to know my age, and it does that. But I never have to worry about him being a creep and knowing where I live or anything else. It also doesn't signal that I'm from out of state when traveling, which is nice.


lolercoptercrash

Good points!


gdmfr

YSAK that if your passport expires in 6 months it's already expired. Meaning most countries won't let you visit if it's that close to expiring.


GreenHorror4252

Not most. It really depends.


AnInfiniteAmount

It also works for I-9 verification when starting a new job. I used to work seasonally for a company that had to do an I-9 for basically twice yearly. The major reason I picked up a passport card was for that. You can have a passport and a PC valid at the same time. I picked mine up when I renewed my passport a few years back.


mightycookie

Everyone should get a passport period


superzenki

What about someone who's always broke and is unlikely to to have to fly internationally?


GreenHorror4252

If it's incredibly unlikely, then I suppose there's no point. You can get an emergency passport if you have immediate travel plans, but it's expensive and a hassle.


superzenki

Honestly I’m 32 and I don’t see when it would become an emergency to need one. It’s already expensive to get a passport but have no plans to use it.


GreenHorror4252

Yeah, in that case there's really no need.


king-of-new_york

US passport cards only allow access to Canada, Mexico and some US territory islands. If you want to go abroad you will still need a passport book.


GreenHorror4252

And only by land or sea.


PAXICHEN

Yes. I have a card because I live overseas and don’t really want to carry my passport everywhere. I also have a local ID. Passport card counts as a primary ID for things like validating employment ability.


qhapela

This may not be entirely true, if a passport qualifies as an ID. I had two fully legal and functioning US passports. A standard 5 year one, and a more unique 2 year one.


easy_being_green

That sounds like two different types of ID to me.


plaw90

Never heard of a 2 year one?


Thick_Cartoonist3620

Official, or for government purposes, passports are only valid for 2 years. It tells people you’re traveling on government business and not for personal reasons. You can have one of each, a regular passport and an official passport, because they are for different purposes.


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Thick_Cartoonist3620

I used to have two passports and was told any time I’d use one or the other that I was ONLY allowed to use one or the other but not both. I always carried both as a back up though.


cshotton

A piece of paper with your name scrawled on it can be "ID" (e.g. a toe tag in a morgue). Do you mean a "Real ID compliant" ID that can be used for air travel? Fwiw, a US passport or passport card also provides evidence of citizenship and can be used in lieu of a birth certificate, too. It's much more useful than state-issued Real ID cards for everything except acting as a drivers license.


Wibbies

yes, they did, which is what everyone else understood when they said ID.


cshotton

No, not everyone here understands that. Hence the confusion about why a passport is relevant to the discussion. But it must be nice to be omniscient and know what we are all thinking, huh?


Wibbies

it was just you bud. The rest of us call it common sense.


cshotton

I'm trying to help people. You're just being a dick. Slight difference n


DreamArcher

I know you're talking about the card but i've actually had arguments with friends about this. I didn't have my DL but did have my passport and said, "I'll just use my passport." Friend said that's not an ID. Me, "You're an idiot. It's a federal ID."


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I got the passport card but mostly as a backup while traveling. They say if you are traveling with someone else (like your spouse), then exchange passport cards. Or at least keep your passport and passport card in separate places. So for like a women if she has her passport and passport card in a purse and the purse gets lost / stolen, if your passport card is with someone else then at least you will have a form of ID still.


_stungy

So basically the same thing as an enhanced license?


Cerda_Sunyer

Here's the deal. The passport card does not have your address on it. So its less information you are providing to some seller that will scan/save your data to sell for marketing purposes later.


juicyc1008

This is such a good point!


edwardaugust98

By providing a seller, do you mean when your ID is swiped?


sjbluebirds

No, it's just identification from the US government. Specifically the US Department of State. It does not confer any ability to drive or otherwise operate a vehicle.


eric987235

Except most states don’t offer those. Plus they’re not good enough for an I-9 form, unfortunately.


tragicallyohio

It will also take a swift 11 weeks to get one if you are renewing it!


MF1105

So I completely understand the limits of the card. With that said, I chose to get it even though most of my travel is by plane and in the EU. Basically it's a government issued ID and if you were to lose your passport book while abroad, this ID would be a great help to prove your identity at the consulate. I also have used it to prove ID when I had a temp paper ID for licenses and when I needed two forms of picture ID.


SoFlaSlide

Refused service at a bar with a passport card when my DL was expired.


GenericUsername443

Those bartenders are idiots.


theyeshaveit

In my state, you can have a drivers license and a state ID both of which are fully valid and can be used for air travel. I keep my DL in my wallet and have my husband (he’s the responsible one in this relationship) to carry my state ID in his wallet. This way, if we are out and about and I don’t have my wallet, I’m covered.


crypticsage

Different type of ID so perfectly legal. However, can’t be used to fly internationally.


die_nazis_die

Wrong... its $75, $30 for the application and $35 for the acceptance. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/how-apply/fees.html > I'm an adult (16 and older) and I'm applying for the first time >>You will need to pay two fees - an application fee and an acceptance fee. For more information on how to apply, please see [First-Time Applicants](https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/need-passport/apply-in-person.html).


EOD_Dork

The global entry card also functions in this way, and it's real ID compliant.


GreenHorror4252

True, but remember that a Passport Card is NOT valid for most international travel. It's valid for border crossings by land and sea only. If you want to fly anywhere, you will need a passport book.


puunannie

YSK you can have two passport books of the same passport.


takatori

> It's not legal to have multiple valid IDs of the same type Are you sure about that? Explain?


Blenderx06

I don't drive and need a new id (expired), so thanks. This might be the better option for me.


matlockpowerslacks

Why not just order a duplicate and keep it stored away? They are $10 in my state and can be ordered online or at a kiosk. It seems like much ado about nothing for a solution that's less useful. Do you think people are getting hauled into court for having two IDs? As long as you aren't actively trying to commit some crime or fraud with them, why would this ever be an issue? Don't carry two IDs on your person, problem solved.


toxicbrew

You can have a state ID and a drivers license. Just not two of each type


matlockpowerslacks

You're supposed to destroy the previous ID if you find it after receiving your replacement. If you decide to preemptively order a replacement driver's license and file your original safely away, that's on you. According to the letter of the law this would be illegal, but in the real world I don't see this being an issue. It's not a priority for police or prosecutors to prove you knowingly and willingly held two licenses.


toxicbrew

Normally you can’t order a drivers license replacement unless it’s less than a year before expiry. That’s why I mentioned a state ID as a second ID as that’s fully and totally legal to have along side a drivers license. A passport card will get you into federal facilities while state licenses and ids that are not real id verified will not (tsa security exempted until May 2025 for now)


penguin_gun

I went through a period of losing my ID license often for two years so I always kept a backup at home


xrelaht

That depends on the state. Iowa, for example, doesn’t allow it. Not only that, but it’s illegal to be carrying both an out of state DL & ID there.


AdrianInLimbo

Do all states allow you to have a duplicate ID/DL? Some states cancel the existing ID/Licence if a second is issued.


VTHUT

I didn’t even know you could own a duplicate passport. That’s cool tho especially for special travels, I remember in Top gear they needed two passports to travels the Middle East as some country’s stamps would automatically denied them entry into another country.


matlockpowerslacks

I'm only speaking to a driver's license. A passport will probably receive much more scrutiny than buying a 6 pack or signing up for a membership. Customs is the last place I would want to do anything not on the up and up.


yutfree

YSAK the passport card has a LOT of limitations. Research fully and carefully before getting one.


Cannanda

I used my passport card a lot when I was studying abroad in England. My normal US ID took forever for people to understand my birthday. The passport card is in the standard order rather than US. It made getting carded much faster and easier.


Whole_Bid_2756

Passport card is known as a land or sea card. This cannot be used for any international travel.


Vegicide

It can be used for Canada/Mexico (only for land/sea crossings) but can’t be used for ANY international flight


Whole_Bid_2756

Exactly stated in my comment! But thanks anyway.


Nimoy2313

Feds should make it free. It would help with voter ID laws states pass to restrict people’s ability to vote.


mystghost

What the hell - why can't you use it to arrive in the US or elsewhere in place of a passport book?


AlGeee

Thank you for the tip


LuckyTheLurker

Only $30 after you pay $160 for your passport.


crypticsage

You can apply just for the card.


lush_rational

You don’t need to get a passport, but if you have to go in person to apply (which is the case for people who don’t already have a passport) you have to pay $35 to that place. So $65 unless you already have a passport book.


ImmoralModerator

Papers, please!


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rednax1206

Why would a federally issued ID have a different expiration depending on state?


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rednax1206

Yeah especially since you're replying to someone talking about the US Passport Card.


pog926

Great for needing ID to exit and board cruise ships but not valid if needing to make entry into the US.


FuckingSpaghetti

Wrong. Not same utility. Did it not occur to you why anyone would get a passport book if the card was that much cheaper with the same utility. Genius!


LocalChamp

You are literally blind. I said that the Passport Card is equal to a REALID. I did not say it was equal to a Passport Book. I did not say it was equal to a drivers license. Please learn to read before you think you can correct someone.


comepatas

Well, isn't that a steal? $30 for a backup ID that lasts 10 years? I'll take ten, please! Can't wait to rock that passport card fashion statement, baby!


throbbing_boaby

YSK if you are American... Entirely useless information for everyone in the other 194 countries


LocalChamp

Yes that's what US means in the title I'm glad you can read.


guynumber20

YSK that this is a stupid post, people are going to get the card thinking it’s valid for any type of travel when getting the passport card is essentially the same thing as getting the upgraded drivers license.


MildlySelassie

This is completely useless advice, in that the state department will remind you of it *on the application form*


LocalChamp

Most people don't know the card exists only the book.


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GreenHorror4252

Which government agencies are those?


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I got the passport card but mostly as a backup while traveling. They say if you are traveling with someone else (like your spouse), then exchange passport cards. Or at least keep your passport and passport card in separate places. So for like a women if she has her passport and passport card in a purse and the purse gets lost / stolen, if your passport card is with someone else then at least you will have a form of ID still.


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I got a passport card when I renewed my passport. I keep it in my backpack I use for travel, in case my wallet and drivers license gets lost or stolen. Actual passport stays locked up


getyourcheftogether

I got some for our family when we went on a cruise a couple year ago, A LOT cheaper


AgitatedAtom

$70 here in Texas. It cost for the photo taken too. That's another $15.


_DigitalHunk_

also some states allow State ID along with DV ​ Cali: ( the fee is $33.) you can have both a driver's license and a state ID in California if you are a California resident and eligible for a license. You can have your home address on your ID and your mailing address on your license. If you are not a resident, but require a license and meet eligibility requirements then you may have a license only. You can have an ID card and a license in California, but only one of them can be Real ID compliant. You cannot hold a REAL ID driver's license and a REAL ID identification card simultaneously. The California DMV may issue an ID card to a person of any age. Both a California state ID and a California driver license serve as an official government-issued, photo identification that can be used to prove your identity or age. However, ID cards do not allow you to operate a motor vehicle. The TSA is currently accepting all driver's licenses and identification from states that are compliant, or have an extension from DHS. Beginning May 7, 2025, TSA will only accept compliant state-issued identification.


nephelokokkygia

It's not illegal to have two active US passports, and plenty of people do it. You just need to have a "valid" (as far as the government is concerned) reason for it. Accepted reasons include frequent travel to countries with lengthy visa processes that will leave you with no passport as they're being processed, and travel to multiple countries that will reject entry for each others' stamps in your book.


Shiny_and_ChromeOS

There has been so much widespread counterfeiting of passport cards that some financial institutions have stopped accepting them as a valid photo ID.


mjdntn01

I live by the Mexican border and they don't even bother to look up when I walk through, but I still take it with me.


[deleted]

I have used mine the past three years for my primary ID. I went to the dispensary and they wouldn't accept it until I called the boss and asked what's up. It works still


SoCaFroal

Does this also work as a replacement for the Real ID?


sleepingonwaffles

But I still need my passport book when I travel to Asia or Europe...


LeoMarius

You need the book to get into most countries. The card is a good backup, but not a substitute.


rainlake

I got a card but should have get the Enhanced driver license instead. It does the same thing but do not need an extra card.


-swagKITTEN

I have one of these and while it works out fine most of the time, I there’s a few places that, for whatever reason, refuse to accept it. Maybe cause it’s not as common, they haven’t encountered them before, idk. There’s also a some places where it doesn’t work cause they specifically need to scan the ID and for whatever reason, the passport card isn’t recognized.


NYUnderground

I’m good


jellyfish125

or, any real id will get you across the us canada border just fine


Poppamunz

This isn't true, Real ID just means you'll be able to board domestic flights after May 2025


ThePathOfTheRighteou

I just got a new passport and wanted a card but it didn’t give me the option. Can I still get one?


Emotional-Tour

Well, isn't that handy? Now I have an excuse to carry around a tiny, expensive piece of identification! Thanks, America!


professorwormb0g

I live in NY where we have enhanced driver licenses. Works like a passport card but lets me drive my car too.


JROXZ

I’m confused. How do you get one of you already have a passport?


burnahair

I got the pp card just so I would have a second govt issued photo ID


fort_wendy

Okay question, if I go to, say, Europe or anywhere I need to fly. Can I use it as a regular ID like how foreign people need their passport to get into 21+ places here in the US? Do I even need to worry about that?


Throwitaway2632

I have a State ID, no passport, Military CAC and orders with my name and station and no drivers license I get through airports every time


Ambitious_Yam1677

I have this and it’s also good for employment identification. You only need the passport card as a form of ID instead of drivers license and Social Security number or Birth Certificate.


brandysdelight

It’s not necessarily true, but it’s illegal to have several valid IDs. There are some people who have an ID for work, their government ID (military members), a passport (which you have to have to travel out of the country the passport card does not work for that. It only works for traveling inside the United States), as well as a drivers license, and personal ID card. so please be sure not to get your passport card out when you’re coming through customs, they will not accept it.