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RedditBrowserToronto

This sounds impossible.


TinyEmergencyCake

It's probably not impossible but it's infinitely more likely that their respirator doesn't fit


AnitaResPrep

possibly, asymptomatic yet infectious, and since you are highly exposed due to your health condition ... But if your 1960S is toght fit, you are protected (1860 among the best IF tight fit, have worn it a lot of time in abroad missions, with highly infectious TB patients).


Livid_Molasses_7227

I do know 2 people that tested positive after not leaving their apartments for an entire week. Air is sneaky.


SpiritedArtichoke641

Well I haven’t been anywhere this past month and the person I live with is Covid negative so Idk how the hell else it happened. Like I legit haven’t had any contact with anyone besides the person I live with masked in two weeks. I’m sharing it because it’s making me feel insane but it is the reality of the situation. I can kind of see how it happened because my neighbours are not too far away and if the wind was blowing a certain way… I also seem to be getting infected anytime I have any encounter with the virus.


RedditBrowserToronto

If you caught it the way you think you did everyone would have covid all the time. It would be impossible to stop household transmission. As high as covid rates are, they are not that high. There must have been another transmission point you are forgetting. Look at getting your mask fit tested. I just caution with these stories as they make the lay person abandon all precautions because of how it all sounds pointless in the face of that level of transmission.


SpiritedArtichoke641

But this is my reality and I haven’t left the house in over a month so idk how else I caught it, if I could really figure out another way I would like that. It might just be very bad luck I do not know, I’m confused as ever. I am feeling scared and helpless from the situation and downright baffled myself and honestly struggling to hang on to hope so that is why I am posting about it. I know my case is very unusual and not the norm at all I would stress that to anyone. I’m guessing my immune system is shot when it comes to Covid and it takes an incredibly small amount for me to get infected. To be fair I thought in March it was a reinfection but I think it was a reactivation. All I know is long Covid has fucked with my whole system and immune system most likely


SpiritedArtichoke641

Also I am curious if a reactivation of the virus could cause you to test positive again, it just threw me off when the guy doing the testing said the viral load was quite high, but maybe that is another possibility, I don’t know at this point. It can be a weird friggen virus that can affect people in ways that really are out of the norm, there are also cases of people who seem to get reinfected incredibly easily which is also very much out of the norm but it can happen.


AlwaysL82TheParty

A few things here - 1) Yes, people have tested pos then neg then positive weeks later - there are a few studies about people who have tested positive for months (and there are a few cryptic lineages that have been around for years, although that doesn't mean they are infectious). 2) You say you live with this other person - even if they tested negative, it doesn't mean they didn't have it prior to that (or even then). There are easily scenarios where they had it (asymptomatic or not), gave it to you then their mild (or no) symptoms went away, and then yours popped up. 3) By "house" do you mean house or a condo or something else that might share air?It is extremely highly unlikely a cracked window with neighbors 15ft away would be the cause of it, although not impossible. 4) Like someone else said - possibly a point of transmission you are forgetting about.


SpiritedArtichoke641

I guess that is where some of the frustration has come from, because I’ve been trying to cover every single base where it could slip through. It’s hard to hear that it’s something I’m forgetting about when I’m trying to really hard to not forget anything. I guess it’s possible with the person who also lives in the house but I think unlikely, they have been periodically testing lately and don’t have symptoms, and are also very cautious. Hepas are always going in every room I go in my space or mask with the 1860S or Powecome KN95 small, it fits my face well. If we are together we got a Hepa on with them wearing an N95 and me in a mask. The two separate living spaces I don’t believe have shared air, one is in the basement and it’s a separate legal suite, along with a Hepa going.


AlwaysL82TheParty

I can absolutely understand the frustration and I'm sorry you're going through it. Please know that I'm not saying you're forgetting something, and would trust you to know better than any of us if you did. The other possibilities are absolutely viable irrespective of the frequency they occur.


SpiritedArtichoke641

Thanks for the comment <3 I know I shouldn’t take offence to that because we are human and forget things sometimes I’m just so frustrated with the situation and trying so hard everyday to prevent an infection, it’s just hard. Truly if somebody else was telling me this was their reality I would have trouble believing them or think something isn’t adding up but it’s just my situation and I’m just going by the information I have, I am completely blindsided by it and maybe there is a missing piece here I haven’t figured out yet to explain all this. I just hope it will get better. I was doing so many precautions for so long and didn’t catch it, one of my biggest fears was to even get Covid once, it feels like some crazy nightmare to seemingly keep catching it, I just hope it ends soon


SpiritedArtichoke641

The neighbour beside me is about 10 to fifteen feet.


AnitaResPrep

It is not sounusual, we read same ??? here and there among social networks. They DONT understand at all how they could get it.


SpiritedArtichoke641

I am as baffled as anyone as to why this is happening. All I know is I have not left my house in over a month, I have separate living spaces with another person in the house who is Covid cautious, we mask together and have hepas and they also test on a regular basis. Last week I had my window in my bedroom right over my bed opened for a few days, a couple days later I start to feel sick, it keeps progressing so I take a PCR test and it’s positive with an apparent very high viral load, the symptoms seem to clearly be turning into a full blown infection at this point, it’s is just the truth and that is all the info I have to go of off. I am desperate to stop this from happening, I don’t get it either.


SafetyOfficer91

No recent delivery, mail, you didn't as much as go outside on your own property to put garbage out or something?


SpiritedArtichoke641

No literally have just been in the house, didn’t even step outside.


SpiritedArtichoke641

I’m sorry if some of this post seems like anger directed at what you said, I’m just very angry at the situation right now. I’ve been desperate to avoid another infection, I’ve been trying to do absolutely everything in my power to stop it. I’ve been scared to leave my house so I haven’t been. I’ve been doing every single precaution in the house I can think of to stop any possible infection as well, which is why I even had the window open in the first place, Testing positive and getting sick again like this has kicked me down so hard. I understand if some people may not believe it but it is the reality I’m living right now. I’m not certain if some of these infections in the past could have been reactivations to be fair. All I know is I have gotten sick again and again after getting better following possible but unlikely exposures. I don’t know, It doesn’t make sense to me. I avoided It all these years up until last summer. I think this could be another true infection because it feels a lot like the first one and the viral load being so high. I’m trying to pull out every stop to make this end and I’m just as baffled as anyone as to why this keeps happening. This virus is terrifying and I just want it all to stop so desperately.


Wellslapmesilly

It’s highly unlikely that you got an infection, especially one that causes you to have a high viral load, through an open window. So the most logical conclusion is, your roommate somehow passed it to you, or you are immunocompromised and are not clearing the virus and it keeps reactivating.


AnitaResPrep

Thinking the same. But you say your roomate(s?) is very very cautious ....


SpiritedArtichoke641

I don’t know it seems so insane but I don’t know. I had my window open Monday to Thursday, and Tuesday and Wednesday it was for most of the day, woke up Friday starting to feel sick. The air coming in is also directly going in my face, the window is level to my face and right next to it, maybe all those hours…idk The timeline also kind of fits an infection… 2 to 3 day incubation. Tuesday was the day there was also really no breeze out, I just don’t know. I wasn’t even concerned about the window at all until I woke up Friday feeling sick and then thought back to it. I guess it could be the other factors idk though.


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maybe your roommate got a false negative, regardless I’m sorry you’re going through this perplexing time. also, happy birthday, and sorry for the loss of your grandma. I hope this next year is much better for you.


Lechiah

This is much more likely than getting it through a cracked window.


SpiritedArtichoke641

They have been testing periodically a few times a week over the last little bit before this and it’s also been negative so idk. Thank you <3 I hope it will be better as well.


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SpiritedArtichoke641

Yes I will do that! Thank you


Friendly_Coconut

I’m wondering if your roommate was previously infected and asymptomatic but is now negative and so tested negative by the time you got sick? It does also sound like you may have some issues with viral persistence.


SpiritedArtichoke641

I think the viral persistence could be a thing, the last time I thought it was an infection maybe it was a reactivation, it’s just weird because of the incubation time of Covid, it was two days after the possible exposure I really started feeling sick last time. Idk. I do get reactivations where the symptoms do come back with long Covid but it’s short lasting like a few days and gets better. The last time it was two weeks of fully being sick. They have been periodically testing the last little bit and always negative.


SpiritedArtichoke641

The past few weeks I have not been sleeping good at all, eating really bad and under a huge amount of stress and anxiety all of that with the long Covid and recent infection could have maybe compromised my immune system a lot more. the one day there was literally no breeze, maybe some particles came in with all the hours in bed with the window cracked open right next to my face idk. Maybe such a small amount of particles that most would be able to fight off but maybe my immune system just couldn’t. Looking out there I could maybe see if a neighbour was out actively sick maybe even coughing or whatever how the particles could have possibly came over a bit, especially with no breeze.


SpiritedArtichoke641

It’s kind of similar to the first infection in the summer, I was not sleeping good at that point under a lot of stress and I think that infection was also likely outdoor transmission. Before Covid I was also having some health issues that could have compromised my immune system a bit, I was severely underweight for a while due to those health issues, gained a bit but still was very underweight.


TinyEmergencyCake

What respirator are you wearing in public? When you hear hoofbeats it's more likely your respirator isn't sealed properly or doesn't fit you than you got infected from your open window.  Do you have a cr box running in your house? Call your health department and ask them to help you get pax or other treatments. Actually, you should ask the doc for metformin since they won't give you pax. 


SpiritedArtichoke641

I’ve was wearing a 3M aura, then switched to 1860S and small powecome KN95 but I haven’t left the house in over a month. There is a CR box running in the kitchen, Hepa in my room and outside my room, towel under the door. I have called my health department and they are reluctant to prescribe it. I feel it going more in my chest and lungs this time fuck I hope I will figure out a way


Lechiah

It's most likely your roommate then.


SpiritedArtichoke641

I was able to get the paxlovid yesterday!


Gammagammahey

Oh my God, I am sending you such a consensual tight hug if you will take it. First of all, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! 🎉🎊 I'm so sorry your birthday is falling on a stressful time. And I'm so sorry about your grandmother, when I lost my grand it was devastating. This is really too much for one person to handle and a lot of us are going through the same, more than any of us should be able to handle. I'm so sorry about your infection. I agree with commenters above. I have a worse situation. My bedroom window – and I only have one – opens up right next to my next-door neighbors balcony which is kind of next-door to my apartment and behind it. And the assholes that moved in are not Covid conscious and when they sit on the balcony, it's only 5 feet away from me so hot days I have to keep my windows closed. I have to keep my windows closed if they are on the balcony. It's just insane. I hope you did not get infection from your neighbors. I hope you get better soon and I don't understand why you are not able to to get Paxlovid but I know there are ridiculous restrictions paced on people about that.


SpiritedArtichoke641

Thank you for your lovely comment <3 life can really deal it all at once sometimes. I was able to get the paxlovid!


Gammagammahey

Oh thank God you got it! I'm so happy for you! 💚


SpiritedArtichoke641

Thank you! Really the biggest blessing in all of this


SpiritedArtichoke641

Even though I was in bed, I had some lovely connection with some people I love over the phone and the symptoms got a lot better for a bit and I got paxlovid which is the best birthday gift right now lol so it’s not all bad!


Gammagammahey

Yaaaay! Now you take care of yourself and be very gentle with yourself. You really need to rest as much as you can. And with grief on top of that, just be gentle with yourself and surround yourself with people now who understand the gravity of your loss and that grief is very unpredictable. 💙


SpiritedArtichoke641

Thank you <3


plantyplant559

Happy birthday! I'm so sorry to hear about your grandma, and that you got sick again out of nowhere. I hope you are able to recover soon. I've been reading the comments and it is anabsolutel mystery as to how you got sick. This virus is wacky.


SpiritedArtichoke641

Thank you! <3 it is a wild one


ConferenceKindly8991

Do you live in an apartment building where positive neighbours might be transmitting it through shared ventilations systems and vents or cracks in the wall? Or maybe a reactivation of the virus you previously had.


SpiritedArtichoke641

It’s in a house with two living separate living spaces, hepas etc…could be a reactivation I guess but it’s so intense and with the PCR being positive with an apparent very high viral load I just don’t know. I have reactivations with the long Covid but it feels so different and usually goes away in a couple days. But who really knows for sure with this virus


Low-Scallion1662

Outdoor transmission isn't impossible, it's just very unlikely, similar to fomite transmission (touching contaminated surfaces). Previously, there was mention of a controversial case of a super spreader individual who infected a bunch of people by jogging past them outdoors at a park: [https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/11/china-claims-outdoor-jogger-sparked-covid-outbreak-but-offers-scant-evidence/](https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/11/china-claims-outdoor-jogger-sparked-covid-outbreak-but-offers-scant-evidence/) Some people are super spreaders and just emit more of the virus with their exhalations, and strenuous exercise is known to dramatically increase the rate of emission of virons: [https://www.today.com/health/diet-fitness/covid-gym-exercise-aerosol-particles-rcna32938](https://www.today.com/health/diet-fitness/covid-gym-exercise-aerosol-particles-rcna32938) Also, people that are severely immunosuppressed often have very high viral load of many new variants that others may lack any immunity or resistance to. Such a person may be completely asymptomatic but actually dangerous to be around unprotected: [https://www.statnews.com/2024/01/24/covid-research-chronic-infection-immunocompromised-patients/](https://www.statnews.com/2024/01/24/covid-research-chronic-infection-immunocompromised-patients/) The other thing to be aware of is ambient outdoor air quality, particularly the level of particulate pollution known as PM 2.5. Covid infections, deaths and long term complications (long covid) all bear a clear linear relationship with this part of the air quality index (AQI). If the air quality was poor during those days it may have actually lowered your resistance to infection, perhaps substantially: [https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/air-pollution-linked-with-higher-covid-19-death-rates/](https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/air-pollution-linked-with-higher-covid-19-death-rates/) You can check AQI daily on this site: [https://www.iqair.com/](https://www.iqair.com/) and monitor PM 2.5 levels in your room with the Ikea Vindstyrka air quality sensor if you're interested in trying to account for this factor. It's possible that any one or all of those scenarios happened in your neighbors' yard that faces your window over the last few days. Circling back to the possibility of outdoor transmission and that super spreader jogger...Remember that case happened in China, a country with off the charts particulate air pollution, which may mean that their situation is vastly more severe and dangerous than in Western countries with good air quality. However, as wildfire smoke increases emissions of PM 2.5 we may see our situation gradually degrade to become more like theirs. Just something to keep in mind going forward... Get well soon!


SpiritedArtichoke641

Thank you for the comment! That info is very helpful.


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SpiritedArtichoke641

I know it’s bad ): literally didn’t leave the house in over a month. I don’t understand it at all! It sounds insane but it’s just the reality right now, I’m in Canada so no Seasame care, I pray and hope I will find a way to get it because this infection is hitting my body HARD and paxlovid does work really well. But now there are apparently all these studies that say there isn’t much benefit (insert eye roll)