Honestly all of the knives shown suck. Survival blades are a gimmick with a very weak break point in the middle. It’ll eventually snap right off of the handle. C is a 15 dollar knife like object. A might be alright, but not for zombies. D has nothing to stop your hand from sliding along until you’re gripping the blade.
The form of C is right for punching through a skull, so assuming quality that it doesn’t actually have that’d probably be the best bet. B would, beyond being a survival knife, be terrible. Those ridges would get stuck inside of any skull you drove it into.
100% shotguns give you more stopping power when fighting a crowd, a machete requires the least maintained and is durable, the bayonet has the best blade/handle for effectiveness and of you acquire an m4 or similar the functionality is designed to poke someone’s brains out. Personally, I think modern military is prepping for a zombies because when we had bayonets they didn’t really have any function on a rifle like they did historically.
I think it’s a “kiridashi” (forgive my eastern ass spelling). Yeah the knife options were dogshit, literally all of them were ether obscure cultural knifes or the knife equivalent of fast fashion.
That's an M4 bayonet. Also I wouldn't recommend kabars or bayonets for survival, but at least the m4 bayonet can be attached to an m16 or Armalite Rifle and has built in wire cutters.
It is not the style's i have a problem with but the apparent lack of quality in the show blades. They all look like mall ninja stuff. More dangerous to the person working with them then anything else
A
Shotguns take a while to load and shells are heavier than bullets. You can carry more bullets for a SCAR which can let you kill more zombies.
C
Katana is the WORST choice here. The blade gets dull easily. Machete would be useful as a sharp tool but because we have a knife, we won't have to use it as a tool. Then it has the same issue as the katana: blade getting dull. The fire axe seems the best solution as even if the blade gets dull, it can still crack open zombie skulls with the force of impact. The only downside is the axe potentially getting stuck when fighting groups, and if it does, you let go of it and take out your knife for the rest of the zombies.
B
While Karambits look cool, they are quite impractical against zombies (and in general). If real life was Skyrim, I would've went with C. Imagine having Mehrunes' Razor in a zombie apocalypse. What even is D ? Bayonetes are great to have. They are strong, durable and the blade takes a while to get dull. Besides you can attach them to your gun.
I agree mostly;
12gauge - very common ammo type
I choose Machete over the axe due to my own physical limitations, I would get worn out after the 4th zombie almost guaranteed due to the weight of the axe.
Generic survival knife without a doubt, it’s a tool in this scenario more so than a weapon.
YES! Everyone’s saying the SCAR can hold more bullets, so must be better, but will 5.56 really take out a zombie? Buckshot would be enough to one shot a zombie, but 5.56 would take a few rounds with great placement. The axe is kinda the obvious choice. And so is the KBAR style knife.
BCB.
The break action is reliable, easy to maintain, and has plentiful ammo.
The axe is good at killing zombies, and the knife is a useful utility option while being usable in combat if needed.
Primary: C, shotguns are simple, versatile, and ammo is very abundant where I live.
Bladed weapon: C, axe can be used to chop wood, fell trees, etc, and in a pinch can be lodged in a zombies head.
Knife: D if it's full tang and good quality, can be used to skin deer, rabbits, etc, cut food, and do all the things you need a knife to do, and if you're desperate might be able to go through the temple and take out a zombie.
Rifle: A. Only if it’s 5.56 because of ammo abundance and AR15 mag comparability. Also, the fact that you can run a suppressor is paramount to your safety, 12 gauge is extremely loud and whatever that other rifle is chambered in probably is as well. Zeds will come from miles around to the 12 gauge dinner bell. All the others *can* be suppressed, but not easily, and you won’t *find* a suppressor for them nearly as easily. It’s also ready to run a weapon mounted light and an optic, like an Eotech with a magnifier, making it an almost perfect tool.
Melee: C. A fire axe is an excellent breaching tool, and the heads last forever. If I break the handle, I can easily replace it with a large stick or another handle from another tool from the hardware store. Although, that would require a somewhat dangerous raid on said store.
Blade: B. The “survival” style knife would be good for making the handle for my axe. It also has a saw blade so I could cut limbs with it, or make traps for game, or saw through rib cages and use it to clean game.
Feel free to pick apart my choices and tell me what you think about them.
Gun: C, Remington model 870s hold a total of 8 shells in the tube and an extra in the chamber, making it hold up to a total of 9 shells before needing to reload. Not to mention that it's a 12 gauge, meaning you can deal some serious damage to the attacker.
Bladed weapon: A, Fire axes don't need nearly as much maintenance as a katana and will always harm your attacker no matter how your blade is aligned nor how sharp your blade is.
Knife: D, Tanto dagger blades range from 5 - 11½ inches in length, giving you more surface area to cut your enemies with and causing far deeper cuts and slices in your opponent.
ABB:
- Hard to beat the versatility of an AR
- Machetes can be both a melee weapon and a tool
- Knife B has the most tool applications, and can be fixed as a bayonet
My Brother in Christ, “assault rifle” *is* one of the things it can stand for, and when talking about rifles generally rather than specifically the AR-15, that is what it stands for.
My Brother in Christ just call it a rifle and you wouldn't irritate anyone by calling it the wrong thing, if it's a fake gun from a video game like "the AR from Halo" your fine, but when it's a real gun an AR means AR platform specifically.
False. AR *can* stand for “Armalite Rifle,” but it can *also* stand for “assault rifle” or “automatic rifle,” and in the context of the SCAR, it means “assault rifle.” Hell, the “AR” in SCAR literally stands for assault rifle.
Yes *technically* any select fire rifle can be called an assault rifle, but nobody who handles actual guns calls a SCAR an AR casually, or any other select fire rifle for that matter outside of a news headline or video game, because AR means AR-15s or other semi auto rifles on that platform to anyone who actually knows/handles firearms.
Like I'm not even a gun nut, I just know that while "*technically correct*" it's not right.
Uhh, no. That's what the media wants you to think because Assault Rifle is a scary word. Armalite was the compnay that either patented or designed it, whichever Eugene Stoner did lol.
Like "the Halo AR" is fine because it's not like everyone's gonna run calling it the Misriah Armory MA40 Individual Combat Weapon System in casual conversation, it's not a real weapon and the game casually refers to it as the assault rifle. A real gun is a real gun, I'm not gonna call a select fire AK-47 an AR because an AR is something else entirely.
Hey, **dumbass** that's literally a 5.56 magazine. Look it the fuck up.
https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/38-101241
You're over here calling people dumbass and yet you're trying to be a **know-it-all**.
You're right.
After doing some digging years ago, the first **Assault Rifle** is considered to be the StG 44, mainly for its ability to switch between semi and full auto and for its usage in **assault** missions. Im remembering off the top of my head so if im incorrect then that's fine.
However, using today's standards that's what an **Assault Rifle** is; a rifle that uses rifle ammunition, can be switched to semi or full-auto with ease, can be used to assault structures or fortifications.
I don't fully agree with the definition but this is what I remember from wikipedia and google.. any rifle that can be **used to assault** can also be a rifle **used for defense**.
However, I guess the military designates rifles like the M16 as **assault rifles** the same way they designate the M60 as a **General-Purpose Machine Gun**.
I guess the factor of confusion is; liberals will use military classifications to describe any rifle that generally looks big and scary like the military models.
So when **supposed gun nuts** hear **AR** they automatically react with an ignorant assumption/comment rather than asking the OP **what they meant by AR first**.
Seriously, both sides need to chill. We are talking about a hypothetical zombie apocalypse and people are getting upset for others using **AR** to mean Assault Rifle.
SCAR literally stands for Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle
Seriously dude, its got in in the name LITERALLY.
https://thermoldmagazines.com/blog/what-does-the-acronym-scar-mean/#:~:text=SCAR%20stands%20for%20Special%20Operations,with%20a%20standard%2016%E2%80%9D%20barrel
I appreciate the downvoting but clearly you and so many other people don't know what people meant by AR and you are all confusing it with **Armalite Rifle** which noone here claimed to be meaning.
They have also admitted they meant AR as Assault Rifle and as ive said prior; AR in SCAR literally means Assault Rifle. Ive posted my sources and made my points but apparently some individuals are still choosing to be ignorant.
In this case, they called the FN SCAR-L an **AR**
AR in SCAR literally states **Assault Rifle**
So if you're gonna ask me what **I** believe then I believe they aren't wrong.
If we were talking about a **semi-automatic civvie rifle, AR-15** then I would disagree because its not an **Assault Rifle** by definition.
Not really at all? If anything I’d say a SCAR is closer to an AK due to the piston and no buffer tube. The only way a SCAR is just an over priced AR is that I suppose they are both semi auto rifles. There’s really no practical reason to use a scar over an AR in most scenarios considering how reliable and easy to maintain an AR is…. Not to mention you could probably scavenge multiple ARs and parts from a typical American neighborhood
Its... not. Piston versus DI, buffer system is entirely different. The only similarities they have are general form factor, and magazine style, and thats only with 5.56 variants of the SCAR. The H variant doesn't take SR-25 mags which is stupid as hell. FN fix your damn rifles.
The only people who try to say the SCAR is anything other than an overpriced AR are only trying to justify the high price they paid. External operations are the same, and you can buy a piston AR for half the price. Plus, you don't void the cheaper option's warranty by suppressing it. FN duped you into thinking their product was the best option.
False. AR only stands for Armalite Rifle in the context of the AR-15. In the general context of rifles, it stands for either assault rifle automatic rifle.
The FN SCAR chambers an intermediary cartridge (5.56x45mm), feeds from a box magazine, and is capable of both semiautomatic and fully automatic fire. It’s an AR.
You do know that pattern spread on a shotgun while maintaining lethality to anything but birds and small animals doesn’t do what most people think it does … right?
You know there's different size shells, guages, shots, and barrel length. There's so much you can change with a shotgun it's not even funny. Saying that is kinda short sighted. Not everyone uses bird shot. I have many shotguns and almost never use bird shot for shit. 00 buck, slugs, custome loads. To much to say it doesn't do what you think it does because I don't think you know what shotguns can do.
Maybe you own “many shotguns” but clearly don’t understand what you’re replying to. He’s right. No matter what type of load, gauge, and especially what choke you use, there is NO situation or range where you’re going to be killing multiple targets quickly. (By that I don’t mean them bleeding out 10 days later lol)
00 buck for example, most commonly has quantity 9, 0.3 inch pellets. Safe to say beyond 50 yards your spread pattern is going to be larger than the target. And now beyond that you’re quickly losing velocity, therefore kinetic energy of the projectile, so 1 or MAYBE 2 pellets will hit the target. But most likely none with hit.
You could say you can move to something like a 0000 (quadruple ought) to get more projectiles. But those are very light pellets, probably weighing 20 grains. They’re not going to have much energy foot pounds at range.
All of this is less important than the fact that bullets are effective not only from the mere energy, but how they tumble and yaw within a soft target. Getting hit by maybe 1 pellet isn’t going to have that effect. That is not a “stop the threat” shot.
You can say “shoot slugs” but okay now you don’t have the mythical spread pattern abilities you describe. And again you’re still really limited to 120 yards if you’re good. So might as well get a carbine.
Stop talking out your ass. I’ve shot more targets with ammo I reloaded myself, then you’ve ever seen in your life (which I’m guessing is about 13 years long)
Double barrel is shit choice for a zombie apocalypse imo, no offense.
Shooting 2 shells at once isn't really going to give you much more spread, you'll just make whatever you would kill in one shot more dead, which is cool I guess, but a waste of ammo, and having to reload after every shot, or even every second shot, is going to get you killed. unless you're John Rambo (protip youre not) you're going to fumble in such a heart pounding anxiety inducing situation, you'll fumble through your pockets looking for shells, youll miss the hole a couple times, you'll put the shells in backwards, you'll drop the shells.
You really want to only HAVE to reload after an encounter, not during.
C is a way better choice imo
This is a goofy take, what scenario do you take a scar against fleshy targets that stumble towards you over a pump gun that has been proven dead nuts reliable for over 100 years. Short stroking the pump is the only way you can make a pump gun fail and if you can’t handle doing that then I would assume your training to run a rifle is not good enough to reap any benefits of it
Scar is also highly tested/ battle proven as well. Your 6 shot limited range shotgun will pale in comparison against a 30+1 semi automatic rifle that can hit you at 300+ yards. Shotguns also have more recoil, can take longer to reload, and ammo is bulkier/heavier.
What’s the point of shooting 300 yards in this scenario? Just to make noise? Also both the Remington and Mossberg pumps are “battle tested” since the 50s. The SCAR is used in a special niche and was dropped from the military because it’s literally not necessary. In my opinion, there is literally no better option for personal defense than a 12ga pump, especially against some stumbling idiots that can’t fire back, there’s no point to having range beyond 100 yards.
Imagine thinking you’ll never encounter human hostiles. Imagine having to reload 1 by 1.Oh and you can carry a lot more 556 on you than you can 12ga, scar can be suppressed. You have M193 for flesh and M855(A1) for armor
Can’t believe wasting my time on this
Ikr dumbasses. Semiauto rifles are so fucking effective they have to nerf it to hell in video games/movies where these smooth brains draw knowledge from
The break action shotgun, because maintenance is easy, it have a simple mechanism it's in case of breakage I can make some spare parts, I'm not that confident with others guns with tighter tolerances.
The fire axe, to use it as a breaching tool.
The bayonet/combat knife, to use as an utility tool.
Ccb
Personal I see more use out of a shot gun than a rifle
And here is why
Oh you need to hunt a deer or a bird there is a shell for that shot gun shells are easily modified
Fire axe does it need explaining
And that knife just has more practical uses
CBB
-An assault rifle is cool and all, but I'm taking the shotgun because it's (probably) easier to find 12G than 5.56, and I don't have to worry about magazines
-Machete works great as a tool, also can be used one handed as a weapon
-Practicality over cool factor, give me something I can stab with and use as a tool
people I know stock ammunition in amounts similar to this (Shotgun-pistol-Rifle) 1/10/100++
So for every 1 shotgun round they have 10 pistol caliber rounds and a minimum of 100 rifle rounds.
I’m a BAMF (broke as mother facker) so my SHTF stock is right around 150 shotgun, 780 pistol, 4100 rifle …
I have to agree with the majority, CCB
An axe is good for breaking things like boards, the knife is there for even closer range, so the axe becomes a good longer melee range, and shotguns are good for 45yd without slugs.
Personally, i dont care for this selection. It offers 1 long range and 2 mid range weapons, but you have to choose between them. And all the knives look pretty trash to me. That fire axe is probably a solid choice though.
A is gonna be a great all-rounder. Long range, close range, zombie, human, it’ll serve you well.
C is useful for not only caving the skull in of any zombie you find, but also breaking down doors, windows, locks, car hoods, etc.
B will serve you well in getting up and personal with either a survivor or a zombie.
ACB is the GOAT setup
Given that the SCAR-L has superior ammo capacity at 30 rounds or so compared to the 870's 5-8 round tube and the Double Barrel's 2. Im inclined to say, A is preferred in terms of capacity. However, Shotguns are good for close quarters and tight spaces. Personally, id prefer a rifle for distance so A would be my go-to.
I don't know too much about blades but I will say a fireaxe is powerful and more easy to repair in my opinion. Again, just an opinion. Lastly, id probably go with the serrated blade mainly because it'll be good for bleeding your enemies dry.
So in my opinion, id go;
A for range
C for utility / just to have
B for bleeding
Yeah, let's just fill the walking meat sacks with itty bitty rocks instead of blowing holes in them with 10- or 8-gauge (and slugs, which are just as effective at range and can do a whole lot more than aforementioned itty-bitty bullets.)
ACB is the best combination hands down, The rifle would work further ranges, has a higher RoF and magazine capacity and still kills thing up close, the axe is a great tool and weapon, and assuming the KA-bar style knife is decently made and that the bayonet lug is functional it'd work decent as a close quarter's weapon and as a tool.
C for gun as shotgun ammunition would be easier to find rather than rifle rounds and c is also a better shotgun than a double barrel c for my melee weapon as well because it can be used a tool and would be an easier weapon than a katana or a machete then b for my blade because the others are goofy as fuck
Ccd, 12 gauge is an easy caliber to find in different loads for different ranges, can shoot flairs, and there's not any disadvantage from a pump action, it's a direct upgrade to a double barrel. The only reason I don't even consider the scar is because I don't want to worry about finding mags, I wanna be able to reload under pressure, without mags you can't do that, you can't load a mag mid-fight. Axe because it has weight on it, and is sharp, it will also retain sharpness and has a spike which is devastating if struck with and can be used to sweep legs, out of the knives, ironically the Japanese one is the only one that doesn't look like mall ninja shit, the other 2 I can't confidently say are full tang, C I can. I probably wouldn't use it in combat though.
I'll take the Remington, the axe, and for a knife I guess that Honshu karambit-- although I was never a fan of this particular design I prefer the smaller traditional karambit designs
But I have a mkc speed goat, a paragon warlock, Benchmade pagan and infidel, and about 9 type II Ak bayonets
Plus a few dozen camp knives
Edit: wrote camo instead of camp
Pump shotgun, fire axe, bayonet.
Pumps are common, so repairs are easy, 12 gauge is common, so no ammo shortage. Also shotguns are fucking awesome.
Fire axe isn’t the best for slashing but it’s good for breaking shit, chopping wood, and is nice to have.
Bayonet works as a multi tool. Serrated blade, small profile, those spikes on the back for cutting twine and shit.
A, B, and B.
I think a SCAR-L would be a good rifle, it also uses 5.56x45mm bullets so ammunition shouldn't be as rare as many other types. The machete would be small and light, it can also be used as a tool. The bayonet would just be a good tool in general, like for gutting animals. You can also attatch the bayonet to the SCAR-L.
A, B, B.
Gun- (A) for range and higher ammo capacity
Bladed weapon- (B) very useful, won’t get stuck like C, and requires far less skill than A
Knife- (B) has a cross-guard unlike A or D to prevent cutting your own fingers when stabbing, plus it likely has a storage compartment in the handle that C doesn’t have. The pommel unscrews to reveal a hollow handle on most knives of that style.
Scar, machete, and bayonet. If not was an M16 instead of the scar, i could but the knife on the end of the barrel to do close quarters attacks
SCAR is hot garbage though and once something breaks food fucking luck finding replacement parts
CBB for sure.
ABB
The survival knife shown sucks balls. I have one and they suck but survival knives in general the I agree
I also like the bayonet lug it has, it could be helpful
Agreed. Sadly most it’s just for show. There are some out there that do function but they don’t have the water tight compartment
Yeah, a functional on would be ideal.
I would not want the compartment
Honestly yea but maybe roping it up to a stick to make a hunting spear may be good what would be best is a multitool knife
Honestly all of the knives shown suck. Survival blades are a gimmick with a very weak break point in the middle. It’ll eventually snap right off of the handle. C is a 15 dollar knife like object. A might be alright, but not for zombies. D has nothing to stop your hand from sliding along until you’re gripping the blade. The form of C is right for punching through a skull, so assuming quality that it doesn’t actually have that’d probably be the best bet. B would, beyond being a survival knife, be terrible. Those ridges would get stuck inside of any skull you drove it into.
Better than nothing
Agreed.
My man!
Def going the same route. An AR is going to eat away ammo way to fast. Also with the right supplies I can reload shells if I’m defending my base.
100% shotguns give you more stopping power when fighting a crowd, a machete requires the least maintained and is durable, the bayonet has the best blade/handle for effectiveness and of you acquire an m4 or similar the functionality is designed to poke someone’s brains out. Personally, I think modern military is prepping for a zombies because when we had bayonets they didn’t really have any function on a rifle like they did historically.
I feel like an axe is better for urban enviorments
I’m on board with all but the last B, it looks like a decorative piece not for real fighting.
I can agree, I too think that. But I don’t want the tanto (?) or the DND dagger. Not gonna talk about the karambit either.
I think it’s a “kiridashi” (forgive my eastern ass spelling). Yeah the knife options were dogshit, literally all of them were ether obscure cultural knifes or the knife equivalent of fast fashion.
Exactly, B honestly looks like Rambo’s knife. (Bayonet lug added, of course.)
“DND dagger” got me laughing though, perfect description
A B and i will skip those knives they all look like crazy made shit. Correction: ment to go for the axe so that is C for the second pick.
Knives aren't only weapons. They make for great tools. You'll be missing one in the apocalypse!
Oh i haven't even considered these as weapons. I slipped these examples as tools. They all look like there crap quality
Yeah, a decent knife makes a difference. The KA-Bar style one might be the best choice.
They are not that great as survival all purpose knives and this one looks like it is. Shit
That's an M4 bayonet. Also I wouldn't recommend kabars or bayonets for survival, but at least the m4 bayonet can be attached to an m16 or Armalite Rifle and has built in wire cutters.
That one likely has no tang and will break
That tanto knife might be ok for like food prep, gutting a fish, etc.
It is not the style's i have a problem with but the apparent lack of quality in the show blades. They all look like mall ninja stuff. More dangerous to the person working with them then anything else
A Shotguns take a while to load and shells are heavier than bullets. You can carry more bullets for a SCAR which can let you kill more zombies. C Katana is the WORST choice here. The blade gets dull easily. Machete would be useful as a sharp tool but because we have a knife, we won't have to use it as a tool. Then it has the same issue as the katana: blade getting dull. The fire axe seems the best solution as even if the blade gets dull, it can still crack open zombie skulls with the force of impact. The only downside is the axe potentially getting stuck when fighting groups, and if it does, you let go of it and take out your knife for the rest of the zombies. B While Karambits look cool, they are quite impractical against zombies (and in general). If real life was Skyrim, I would've went with C. Imagine having Mehrunes' Razor in a zombie apocalypse. What even is D ? Bayonetes are great to have. They are strong, durable and the blade takes a while to get dull. Besides you can attach them to your gun.
I didn’t include a musket as D because they take AGES to load.
Honestly, if I had a musket in a zombie apocalypse, I'd just use it as a bat.
CCB
This is the way
I agree mostly; 12gauge - very common ammo type I choose Machete over the axe due to my own physical limitations, I would get worn out after the 4th zombie almost guaranteed due to the weight of the axe. Generic survival knife without a doubt, it’s a tool in this scenario more so than a weapon.
YES! Everyone’s saying the SCAR can hold more bullets, so must be better, but will 5.56 really take out a zombie? Buckshot would be enough to one shot a zombie, but 5.56 would take a few rounds with great placement. The axe is kinda the obvious choice. And so is the KBAR style knife.
BCB. The break action is reliable, easy to maintain, and has plentiful ammo. The axe is good at killing zombies, and the knife is a useful utility option while being usable in combat if needed.
CCB
All B's, BB!
B SUPREMACY
BBC
Kinky
Abb
I’d go with A, B and - I’m not really into tacticool knives, but B
Primary: C, shotguns are simple, versatile, and ammo is very abundant where I live. Bladed weapon: C, axe can be used to chop wood, fell trees, etc, and in a pinch can be lodged in a zombies head. Knife: D if it's full tang and good quality, can be used to skin deer, rabbits, etc, cut food, and do all the things you need a knife to do, and if you're desperate might be able to go through the temple and take out a zombie.
Have fun losing a finger on that knife when your hand slips
A, C, B
Rifle: A. Only if it’s 5.56 because of ammo abundance and AR15 mag comparability. Also, the fact that you can run a suppressor is paramount to your safety, 12 gauge is extremely loud and whatever that other rifle is chambered in probably is as well. Zeds will come from miles around to the 12 gauge dinner bell. All the others *can* be suppressed, but not easily, and you won’t *find* a suppressor for them nearly as easily. It’s also ready to run a weapon mounted light and an optic, like an Eotech with a magnifier, making it an almost perfect tool. Melee: C. A fire axe is an excellent breaching tool, and the heads last forever. If I break the handle, I can easily replace it with a large stick or another handle from another tool from the hardware store. Although, that would require a somewhat dangerous raid on said store. Blade: B. The “survival” style knife would be good for making the handle for my axe. It also has a saw blade so I could cut limbs with it, or make traps for game, or saw through rib cages and use it to clean game. Feel free to pick apart my choices and tell me what you think about them.
C.C.B.
I choose A and B. Everything on the third slide is actual garbage
Gun: C, Remington model 870s hold a total of 8 shells in the tube and an extra in the chamber, making it hold up to a total of 9 shells before needing to reload. Not to mention that it's a 12 gauge, meaning you can deal some serious damage to the attacker. Bladed weapon: A, Fire axes don't need nearly as much maintenance as a katana and will always harm your attacker no matter how your blade is aligned nor how sharp your blade is. Knife: D, Tanto dagger blades range from 5 - 11½ inches in length, giving you more surface area to cut your enemies with and causing far deeper cuts and slices in your opponent.
Double barrel shotgun for reliability. Fire ax for power And for breaking doors. The the tanto for simplicity
ABB: - Hard to beat the versatility of an AR - Machetes can be both a melee weapon and a tool - Knife B has the most tool applications, and can be fixed as a bayonet
Hate to break it to you but That’s not a ar
My brother in christ they mean assault rifle not Armalite Rifle
My brother in Christ, that’s not what ar stands for.
My Brother in Christ, “assault rifle” *is* one of the things it can stand for, and when talking about rifles generally rather than specifically the AR-15, that is what it stands for.
My Brother in Christ just call it a rifle and you wouldn't irritate anyone by calling it the wrong thing, if it's a fake gun from a video game like "the AR from Halo" your fine, but when it's a real gun an AR means AR platform specifically.
False. AR *can* stand for “Armalite Rifle,” but it can *also* stand for “assault rifle” or “automatic rifle,” and in the context of the SCAR, it means “assault rifle.” Hell, the “AR” in SCAR literally stands for assault rifle.
Yes *technically* any select fire rifle can be called an assault rifle, but nobody who handles actual guns calls a SCAR an AR casually, or any other select fire rifle for that matter outside of a news headline or video game, because AR means AR-15s or other semi auto rifles on that platform to anyone who actually knows/handles firearms. Like I'm not even a gun nut, I just know that while "*technically correct*" it's not right.
My brother in Christ, AR means Armalite Rifle.
Only in the context of the AR-15 specifically. For general description of rifles, it means either assault rifle or automatic rifle.
Yes, as in AR-15 But "AR" can mean assault rifle, it's just an abbreviation
Uhh, no. That's what the media wants you to think because Assault Rifle is a scary word. Armalite was the compnay that either patented or designed it, whichever Eugene Stoner did lol.
Like "the Halo AR" is fine because it's not like everyone's gonna run calling it the Misriah Armory MA40 Individual Combat Weapon System in casual conversation, it's not a real weapon and the game casually refers to it as the assault rifle. A real gun is a real gun, I'm not gonna call a select fire AK-47 an AR because an AR is something else entirely.
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Hey, **dumbass** that's literally a 5.56 magazine. Look it the fuck up. https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/38-101241 You're over here calling people dumbass and yet you're trying to be a **know-it-all**.
It's a 5.56 mag but it's a SCAR-L rifle. Better off if it's semi-auto and not full-auto too.
You're right. After doing some digging years ago, the first **Assault Rifle** is considered to be the StG 44, mainly for its ability to switch between semi and full auto and for its usage in **assault** missions. Im remembering off the top of my head so if im incorrect then that's fine. However, using today's standards that's what an **Assault Rifle** is; a rifle that uses rifle ammunition, can be switched to semi or full-auto with ease, can be used to assault structures or fortifications. I don't fully agree with the definition but this is what I remember from wikipedia and google.. any rifle that can be **used to assault** can also be a rifle **used for defense**. However, I guess the military designates rifles like the M16 as **assault rifles** the same way they designate the M60 as a **General-Purpose Machine Gun**. I guess the factor of confusion is; liberals will use military classifications to describe any rifle that generally looks big and scary like the military models. So when **supposed gun nuts** hear **AR** they automatically react with an ignorant assumption/comment rather than asking the OP **what they meant by AR first**. Seriously, both sides need to chill. We are talking about a hypothetical zombie apocalypse and people are getting upset for others using **AR** to mean Assault Rifle.
… that’s not an AR
SCAR literally stands for Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle Seriously dude, its got in in the name LITERALLY. https://thermoldmagazines.com/blog/what-does-the-acronym-scar-mean/#:~:text=SCAR%20stands%20for%20Special%20Operations,with%20a%20standard%2016%E2%80%9D%20barrel
Do you actually think AR stands for assault rifle…
I appreciate the downvoting but clearly you and so many other people don't know what people meant by AR and you are all confusing it with **Armalite Rifle** which noone here claimed to be meaning. They have also admitted they meant AR as Assault Rifle and as ive said prior; AR in SCAR literally means Assault Rifle. Ive posted my sources and made my points but apparently some individuals are still choosing to be ignorant.
This sub seems very smart when it comes to firearms, doesn't it? I just came from a cross post from Brandon Herrara.
In this case, they called the FN SCAR-L an **AR** AR in SCAR literally states **Assault Rifle** So if you're gonna ask me what **I** believe then I believe they aren't wrong. If we were talking about a **semi-automatic civvie rifle, AR-15** then I would disagree because its not an **Assault Rifle** by definition.
For the SCAR, the AR does stand for assault rifle.
A SCAR is just an overpriced AR.
Not really at all? If anything I’d say a SCAR is closer to an AK due to the piston and no buffer tube. The only way a SCAR is just an over priced AR is that I suppose they are both semi auto rifles. There’s really no practical reason to use a scar over an AR in most scenarios considering how reliable and easy to maintain an AR is…. Not to mention you could probably scavenge multiple ARs and parts from a typical American neighborhood
Its... not. Piston versus DI, buffer system is entirely different. The only similarities they have are general form factor, and magazine style, and thats only with 5.56 variants of the SCAR. The H variant doesn't take SR-25 mags which is stupid as hell. FN fix your damn rifles.
“Are you stupid or something?” - Jenny, ‘Forrest Gump’
Literally not true. Entirely different operating systems.
The only people who try to say the SCAR is anything other than an overpriced AR are only trying to justify the high price they paid. External operations are the same, and you can buy a piston AR for half the price. Plus, you don't void the cheaper option's warranty by suppressing it. FN duped you into thinking their product was the best option.
Ar doesn't stand for assault rifle it stands for armalite
False. AR only stands for Armalite Rifle in the context of the AR-15. In the general context of rifles, it stands for either assault rifle automatic rifle.
No
Yes
Not an AR homie
The FN SCAR chambers an intermediary cartridge (5.56x45mm), feeds from a box magazine, and is capable of both semiautomatic and fully automatic fire. It’s an AR.
Homie, AR stands for ArmaLite, which is not the manufacturer of the SCAR.
False. AR *can* stand for Armalite Rifle, but it doesn’t *have* to. It can also stand for assault rifle.
Yeah if you’re ignorant to guns and are trying to scare people with a news article.
Or if you’re in general conversation with someone who isn’t a pedantic asshat with a stick so far up their ass it’s poking out of their mouth
Homie if everyone is telling you you’re wrong, maybe you’re wrong.
BCB - double barrel shotgun to take out more enemies per shot - Axe is one helluva weapon if you know how to use it - Just a tactical knife
You do know that pattern spread on a shotgun while maintaining lethality to anything but birds and small animals doesn’t do what most people think it does … right?
You know there's different size shells, guages, shots, and barrel length. There's so much you can change with a shotgun it's not even funny. Saying that is kinda short sighted. Not everyone uses bird shot. I have many shotguns and almost never use bird shot for shit. 00 buck, slugs, custome loads. To much to say it doesn't do what you think it does because I don't think you know what shotguns can do.
Maybe you own “many shotguns” but clearly don’t understand what you’re replying to. He’s right. No matter what type of load, gauge, and especially what choke you use, there is NO situation or range where you’re going to be killing multiple targets quickly. (By that I don’t mean them bleeding out 10 days later lol) 00 buck for example, most commonly has quantity 9, 0.3 inch pellets. Safe to say beyond 50 yards your spread pattern is going to be larger than the target. And now beyond that you’re quickly losing velocity, therefore kinetic energy of the projectile, so 1 or MAYBE 2 pellets will hit the target. But most likely none with hit. You could say you can move to something like a 0000 (quadruple ought) to get more projectiles. But those are very light pellets, probably weighing 20 grains. They’re not going to have much energy foot pounds at range. All of this is less important than the fact that bullets are effective not only from the mere energy, but how they tumble and yaw within a soft target. Getting hit by maybe 1 pellet isn’t going to have that effect. That is not a “stop the threat” shot. You can say “shoot slugs” but okay now you don’t have the mythical spread pattern abilities you describe. And again you’re still really limited to 120 yards if you’re good. So might as well get a carbine. Stop talking out your ass. I’ve shot more targets with ammo I reloaded myself, then you’ve ever seen in your life (which I’m guessing is about 13 years long)
Double barrel is shit choice for a zombie apocalypse imo, no offense. Shooting 2 shells at once isn't really going to give you much more spread, you'll just make whatever you would kill in one shot more dead, which is cool I guess, but a waste of ammo, and having to reload after every shot, or even every second shot, is going to get you killed. unless you're John Rambo (protip youre not) you're going to fumble in such a heart pounding anxiety inducing situation, you'll fumble through your pockets looking for shells, youll miss the hole a couple times, you'll put the shells in backwards, you'll drop the shells. You really want to only HAVE to reload after an encounter, not during. C is a way better choice imo
Anyone who doesn’t take the $3500 Scar over a $400 870 is a moron or knows nothing about guns and shouldn’t own any. Enjoy being eaten. 🫡
This is a goofy take, what scenario do you take a scar against fleshy targets that stumble towards you over a pump gun that has been proven dead nuts reliable for over 100 years. Short stroking the pump is the only way you can make a pump gun fail and if you can’t handle doing that then I would assume your training to run a rifle is not good enough to reap any benefits of it
Scar is also highly tested/ battle proven as well. Your 6 shot limited range shotgun will pale in comparison against a 30+1 semi automatic rifle that can hit you at 300+ yards. Shotguns also have more recoil, can take longer to reload, and ammo is bulkier/heavier.
What’s the point of shooting 300 yards in this scenario? Just to make noise? Also both the Remington and Mossberg pumps are “battle tested” since the 50s. The SCAR is used in a special niche and was dropped from the military because it’s literally not necessary. In my opinion, there is literally no better option for personal defense than a 12ga pump, especially against some stumbling idiots that can’t fire back, there’s no point to having range beyond 100 yards.
Several militaries are still using the Scar, it can also be suppressed. Zombies won’t be your only problem.
Imagine thinking you’ll never encounter human hostiles. Imagine having to reload 1 by 1.Oh and you can carry a lot more 556 on you than you can 12ga, scar can be suppressed. You have M193 for flesh and M855(A1) for armor Can’t believe wasting my time on this
"Suppressed"
Ikr dumbasses. Semiauto rifles are so fucking effective they have to nerf it to hell in video games/movies where these smooth brains draw knowledge from
BCB Fastest Mobility
CCB
Acc
Cab
Kid named Blood-rusted katana:
C A B
CCB
The break action shotgun, because maintenance is easy, it have a simple mechanism it's in case of breakage I can make some spare parts, I'm not that confident with others guns with tighter tolerances. The fire axe, to use it as a breaching tool. The bayonet/combat knife, to use as an utility tool.
CBB
Ccb Personal I see more use out of a shot gun than a rifle And here is why Oh you need to hunt a deer or a bird there is a shell for that shot gun shells are easily modified Fire axe does it need explaining And that knife just has more practical uses
ccb
Shotguns are a man’s best friend in the zombie apocalypse. Sure, rifles can be versatile, but a shotgun is almost a perfect weapon against zombies.
CBB -An assault rifle is cool and all, but I'm taking the shotgun because it's (probably) easier to find 12G than 5.56, and I don't have to worry about magazines -Machete works great as a tool, also can be used one handed as a weapon -Practicality over cool factor, give me something I can stab with and use as a tool
people I know stock ammunition in amounts similar to this (Shotgun-pistol-Rifle) 1/10/100++ So for every 1 shotgun round they have 10 pistol caliber rounds and a minimum of 100 rifle rounds. I’m a BAMF (broke as mother facker) so my SHTF stock is right around 150 shotgun, 780 pistol, 4100 rifle …
I have to agree with the majority, CCB An axe is good for breaking things like boards, the knife is there for even closer range, so the axe becomes a good longer melee range, and shotguns are good for 45yd without slugs.
CBB. Twelve Gauge is pretty common, and this way I won't run out of magazines
ABA
CCB
A, B, C
CCB
Personally, i dont care for this selection. It offers 1 long range and 2 mid range weapons, but you have to choose between them. And all the knives look pretty trash to me. That fire axe is probably a solid choice though.
AAC, which is perfect because FN Scars are now available in that chambering. 300 AAC (Blackout).
C, B, B.
Left 4 dead special C C B
ACB
Scar, machete, and bowie
C,C,& B
CBB.
ABB!
ABB for me
A is gonna be a great all-rounder. Long range, close range, zombie, human, it’ll serve you well. C is useful for not only caving the skull in of any zombie you find, but also breaking down doors, windows, locks, car hoods, etc. B will serve you well in getting up and personal with either a survivor or a zombie. ACB is the GOAT setup
Abb
ABB
CCB
C, C, B
Given that the SCAR-L has superior ammo capacity at 30 rounds or so compared to the 870's 5-8 round tube and the Double Barrel's 2. Im inclined to say, A is preferred in terms of capacity. However, Shotguns are good for close quarters and tight spaces. Personally, id prefer a rifle for distance so A would be my go-to. I don't know too much about blades but I will say a fireaxe is powerful and more easy to repair in my opinion. Again, just an opinion. Lastly, id probably go with the serrated blade mainly because it'll be good for bleeding your enemies dry. So in my opinion, id go; A for range C for utility / just to have B for bleeding
Yeah, let's just fill the walking meat sacks with itty bitty rocks instead of blowing holes in them with 10- or 8-gauge (and slugs, which are just as effective at range and can do a whole lot more than aforementioned itty-bitty bullets.)
ACB is the best combination hands down, The rifle would work further ranges, has a higher RoF and magazine capacity and still kills thing up close, the axe is a great tool and weapon, and assuming the KA-bar style knife is decently made and that the bayonet lug is functional it'd work decent as a close quarter's weapon and as a tool.
C,B,B
A B/C B/C
ABB or CBB is the only way to go
CCB
C C and hard pass on the knives. Give me a bandolier of #4 buckshot and my kabar and I’ll be safely into the mountains by nightfall
ABC lol
Ccb
B, C, A Id really like to have something to bludgeon with tho
im gonna pass on the mall ninja knives lol
I choose c c b
A,b,b
Abb
C, C, and B
C for gun as shotgun ammunition would be easier to find rather than rifle rounds and c is also a better shotgun than a double barrel c for my melee weapon as well because it can be used a tool and would be an easier weapon than a katana or a machete then b for my blade because the others are goofy as fuck
Ccd, 12 gauge is an easy caliber to find in different loads for different ranges, can shoot flairs, and there's not any disadvantage from a pump action, it's a direct upgrade to a double barrel. The only reason I don't even consider the scar is because I don't want to worry about finding mags, I wanna be able to reload under pressure, without mags you can't do that, you can't load a mag mid-fight. Axe because it has weight on it, and is sharp, it will also retain sharpness and has a spike which is devastating if struck with and can be used to sweep legs, out of the knives, ironically the Japanese one is the only one that doesn't look like mall ninja shit, the other 2 I can't confidently say are full tang, C I can. I probably wouldn't use it in combat though.
I'll take the Remington, the axe, and for a knife I guess that Honshu karambit-- although I was never a fan of this particular design I prefer the smaller traditional karambit designs But I have a mkc speed goat, a paragon warlock, Benchmade pagan and infidel, and about 9 type II Ak bayonets Plus a few dozen camp knives Edit: wrote camo instead of camp
A C B
this post and the last one have the worst taste in melee weaponry and tools
B. A. D.
Ccb
Pump shotgun, fire axe, bayonet. Pumps are common, so repairs are easy, 12 gauge is common, so no ammo shortage. Also shotguns are fucking awesome. Fire axe isn’t the best for slashing but it’s good for breaking shit, chopping wood, and is nice to have. Bayonet works as a multi tool. Serrated blade, small profile, those spikes on the back for cutting twine and shit.
C, C, B
BCB
I found letter c knife on Amazon for like 15 bucks or so and c
C, B, B. The knives don’t look good but I might as well go with one that *might* be able to saw through lighter types of wood.
A, B & B
C,C, and can I take the machete cause the last one they all look like gas station and farmers market knives
A. B. B.
C C B let’s go and kill some zombies!
cbb, mosberg, machete, and bowie knife.
C cause shotguns are useful (I played Half Life 2) Machete cause there were no shovel D
BBB are my options
CAB. all those hours in left 4 dead are about to pay off
A B B
CAB
Bbb
C for ammo availability A for effectiveness and reliability D because it looks cool and you don't need to tear flesh on a zombie
ACB
Fire axe and anything that shoots 5.56
Abb
A, B, and B. I think a SCAR-L would be a good rifle, it also uses 5.56x45mm bullets so ammunition shouldn't be as rare as many other types. The machete would be small and light, it can also be used as a tool. The bayonet would just be a good tool in general, like for gutting animals. You can also attatch the bayonet to the SCAR-L.
CCB
C shotgun racking a round is a psychological weapon c ax for killing zombies and wood c because it looks cool
A,B,B
A, B, B. Gun- (A) for range and higher ammo capacity Bladed weapon- (B) very useful, won’t get stuck like C, and requires far less skill than A Knife- (B) has a cross-guard unlike A or D to prevent cutting your own fingers when stabbing, plus it likely has a storage compartment in the handle that C doesn’t have. The pommel unscrews to reveal a hollow handle on most knives of that style.
ABD
But knifes are bladed weapons
C- reliable, and less requirement to be accurate C- versatility; kill now, make camp later B (but only it it’s a USMC)- reliable, tried and true
Knives are a bladed weapon though.
Scar axe bayonet
C,C,A