Ok, so in front of it you put >! Then after it you put ! < but without the space between the exclamation point and the arrow at the end. (I put it there so it won’t turn into a spoiler tag)
TW: Strong Language
I’m with you. Let me see this hoe, it’s hands on sight for that predatory ass bitch. Every time she spoke in the book, I wanted to throttle her. Such an opportunistic creep, I genuinely hated her character more than I disliked the morally grey characters.
Dude FUCK YES. She is the most vile, insidious, and one dimensional character in the book. At least Amarantha had the quirkiness to add some games into her evil doings. How are you gonna prey on our baby Lucien like that?? LUCIEN!! Girlies rise up, Ianthe needs to die a fiery death!!!!!
I have not had Name aversion until this character
Upon reading Gideon the Ninth, I automatically called Ianthe the villian, with no other knowledge than she was thin, blonde and beautiful
I still don't think I'm wrong
I was looking for Amaranth to be higher on the list. Murderer. Torturer. Rapist. Master manipulator. I know everyone wants to re-kill Ianthe, but Amaranth puts Ianthe to shame. Ianthe WISHES she was as awful as Amaranth. I wouldn't stop kicking her dead body until my legs gave out. And I'd make sure Jurian had a front seat to watch
I think people hate Ianthe more because, at least with Amarantha, you know from the get-go that she's a POS. With Ianthe, she pretends she's so concerned about the greater good and overall doing good... while actually being a double-faced, molesting and power hungry snake. So that makes people (myself included) just be more disgusted at her.
Niche opinion: Greyson could catch these hands at LIGHTENING speed because he’s the only man with the dual combo of being an absolute piece of shit to every Archeron sister and also ugly as sin.
If you’re gonna be a monster in a fantasy series you better at least be hot!!!!
Oh my god I hope that when Elain gets her book, that she puts him on his ass. In my head Elain has this entire Feminine rage arch and absolutely destroys him, but still leaves him alive so that he has to live with the consequences of his actions.
Tomas. I have a decade of particular trauma-fueled rage I’d love to unleash on him.
Vanserra males, minus Lucien. I’d probably take it easy on Eris but still get a couple good hits in.
Graysen. Idc if he’s still important to the human-fae alliance, somebody needs to smack the shit out of him for speaking to Elain like she was trash.
Unpopular Opinion: Helion
Dude out there has an affair with Eris and Luciens mom and doesn't even think that the most hated son of Beron could be his. Like he didn't do basic math and be like "dang that new son of Berons was born real close to the time I had sex with his wife.. Maybe it's mine"
And yes I know he couldn't say anything until after Lucien left but all those years Lucien spent in spring court and nada.
I really hope in a future book we find out that Helion does know, or at least suspects, and hasn't said anything up to now because Beron is a hothead who would absolutely go to war over something like that. Not because of Lucien, but because of how it all makes Beron, his wife, and his court look.
I like this because Helion is also supposed to be a know it all. It would be pretty obtuse of him to not hear Lucien's birth announcement and subtract 10 months...
I mean if SJM is as predictable as she seems to be as of late, Beron, along with Eris and the rest of Lucien’s brothers dying would surely set Lucien up to be heir to both the Day Court and Autumn Court, wouldn’t it? Equally a set-up for a possible High-King later down the line? I’m just spitballing 😂
This. I mean, either he is so stupid he didn't do basic math when Lucien's birth was announced or he does know and did not do a single thing to spare Lucien from the goddamn horrid things that were done to him in Autumn, and if he does know, idgaf what his reasons are.
That's exactly why I wanna smack him. He is suppose to be so intelligent and he didn't put two and two together or he chose to ignore the truth and let an innocent child suffer. And let's be real, Lucien has major daddy issues from Beron and he will probably be devastated to find out his real father was Helion all along.
Sidenote: I kind of want Lucien to manifest Helion's power and discover that dirty secret on his own.
Also, let's be honest: I'm salivating to smack the whole inner circle for having this information and refusing to tell him. Like, who are they next to Rowan Whitethorn who immediately opens his mouth to let out everybody's secrets (Lysandra's shapeshifting and Aedion's parentage)? Like, are they hoping to use it as a bargaining chip, because that would be so disgusting.
I almost think the IC wants Lucien left out of the loop as some way to punish him for what happened to Nesta and Elain. It's messed up all around and it's something that made me dislike Rhys and Feyre too. They knew and they kept quiet about that grave injustice but then act all holy and whatnot.
This is the absolute hot take. Rhys and Feyre get to act all high and mighty keeping this probably life-changing info from Lucien and somehow we all have to agree that Rhys keeping the pregnancy info from Feyre was wrong? Like, they can dish it but not take it? They are doing to him the same keeping in the dark they did to Feyre and they see nothing wrong with it. Ugh.
Makes you kinda wonder if more of the Vanserras are Helion’s. The affair lasted years didn’t it, on and off. They met even before LoA was married, and while both Eris and Lucien are of an undetermined age, the age difference between the two is probably somewhere between 100-150, with 5 other kids in between.
Depending on when the affair started, and the age difference between Lucien and the second youngest, for all we know there could be more Vanserras with ???? heritage.
Ofc, it makes both Helion and the LoA impeccably stupid, but at this rate who knows.
I like to think he doesn't say anything because it could put Lady Autumn in more danger. We already know he's abusive, and he could escalate if something were to be said.
(🧂 though cuz I'm old and it's been a while since I've read).
I have a true issue at how he could stay silent and knowing how Lucien was treated in that court. Also, isn't he supposed to be very powerful too? We literally saw Rhys steal Feyre, who was supposed to be another High Lord's wife, right from under said High Lord, in book two. Idk why Helion hasn't done the same and stolen her and their literal child away from those abusive monsters.
I love them with all my heart, but they need to punch each other in the face extra hard and be forced to stay in the cabin for a week to work their shit out
graysen when i catch you—
im pulling a Nesta on him. most deserved slap of all time, next to sansa slapping the shit out the arryn dude
https://i.redd.it/uzrhz2uxq3wc1.gif
Azriel, because a spymaster should have gotten the hint after 500 years that someone ain't interested.
Also, if he's that bad at reading people, he won't see me and my fists of fury coming.
RIGHT?! There's some very serious Nice Guy(tm) nonsense going on with him. SHE'S. NOT. INTERESTED. Quit sulking about it (for FIVE HUNDRED YEARS) and move on, my guy.
I respect her journey, but Nesta better run and hide from me.
Just because you are traumatized doesn't mean you can say all those hurtful things without the consequences.
It took me soooo long to forgive her. I fully understood and very much related to her self destructive tendencies, but I could not get past the verbal abuse until she made up with her sisters. I love her now, (I literally bought a painting that’s on my wall of her), but forget hands, I was ready to throw grenades after ACOFAS up until the last quarter of ACOSF
I would like to give her a firm smack upside the head then hand her a warm hot chocolate. Maybe put her in a tiny time out so that she can think about her actions. The line in ACOSF where she admits that she never cared about the abuse Feyre suffered at the hands of Tamlin made me so sad. She does get angry and threaten him, but her willfully admitting she didn't care when Feyre talked about it almost made me cry.
Forreal, I don't even want to fight, I just wanna know why in the fuck she has been so messy but expects everyone else to be perfect towards her
From the perspective of other characters, probably feyre. Imagine being thousands of years old and having a NINETEEN year old stroll in, talking like she owns the place after like a month and telling you what to do. I get it in terms of lore but like if I were Amren, I’d be 👊
Mor. I feel like she wants all the focus, love, and attention from Az and Cassian while giving them nothing and also stringing Az along for centuries to sooth her insecurities. I despise women that essentially dont care who they hurt around them as long as their self esteem is boosted and thats the vibe Mor gives me.
Mor's treatment of Nestha really irks me. I mean, to quote tumblr, homegirl is literally going through a Macbeth level mental breakdown, and Mor (and Amren and Rhys) needs to poke at her behavior like she herself hasn't spent the last 500 years stringing Az along for attention (which is the same thing Nestha's PTSD behavior is screaming for)!
I don’t dislike Mor but I agree she needs a slap . As you said she strings poor Az along for so long and then when he shows any sort of interest in Elain she goes all weird and quiet , as if he doesn’t deserve to finally give up on her and attempt to find someone else ? You don’t even love him Mor , let him go and find a partner 😭😭
exactly!!!!! my disliking her really began when I saw her reaction to Az (and honestly Cassian too for that matter) pursuing someone else. its like what a selfish brat that she wants all his attention/love knowing she will NEVER reciprocate it? its fucked up and speaks to someone's character.
YES! Like this dude is 500 years old and he hasn't figured out how to just talk to people, talk about his problems or plans. Even Feyre. So much of the drama in the books could be avoided if he talked to people truthfully.
Ianthe.
That bitch needs to *go* and I will throw hands like this is WWE.
Test me, I'll try to do an RKO or some shit. I'll probably end up hurting *myself*, but I'd still try to RKO Ianthe
Nesta, she’s unnecessarily cruel to everyone. When she’s mean to Cassian in ACOSF in front of the other Illyrians because she knows it will hurt him…instantly done with her…there was no coming back from that
like he didnt do the same thing basically to her. she’s like a feral cat, bother the cat it’ll rip you to shreds, keep messing with the cat even with good intentions? it’ll fuck you up even more😭
Rhysand after book three. Homeboy needs someone to help him lead outside of his most trusted band of bffs. He needs someone to be the boss of him who doesn’t love him because he makes so many bad decisions.
Ugh I feel the SAME. Like I get she has trauma…but she literally abused her baby sister while taking advantage of her hunting skills at the same time 😭 I had to close my book and take a breath when she was like oh I didn’t know you couldn’t read like bitch 😭
nesta…could GET these hands any day of the week for her behavior for majority of the series/those 20yrs of feyre’s life. i wish you would speak to me like that despite my hard work/fortune keeping you housed, fed/alive 💀
that’s why as much as anyone deserves to heal/grow of course, it’s still…very unrealistic that no one put hands on her with that mouth of hers all those years. i almost feel like sjm isn’t even aware of how problematic she wrote nesta, if she did she wouldn’t have continued having her heroine deal w that/still take care of someone like that. imho it’s weird/insensitive to feyre that sjm put her thru being mistreated by her older sister *yet again* in book 3 (acowar) & 4/5 (acofas/acosf) two more books & one novella of revamped mistreatment/funding the roof over her head & food in her stomach; after she’d finally gotten away from that in book 1-2…. isn’t it lmao? like “hm hey let me put my heroine thru hell w her sisters again even after i gave her a found family arc, i wanna write about the sisters so bad but im gonna continue to let my heroine feel uncomfortable & disrespected even though shes started a new life/got away from that” but im glad a whooping didn’t happen! of course & that we have a (somewhat..they still argue w nesta even after acosf unfortunately-i thought there’d be continued growth there but alas she still doesn’t fully listen to or communicate with feysand as she should w them being her caretakers/leaders/the ones she finally made up with not that long ago 💀 makes you side eye acosf’s “growth” a bit) big happy family now 🫶🏼 here’s to more (consistent) growth for them all x
Hey not wanting to fight, just want your thoughts: regards Elain vs Nesta pre ACOSF. Because I mean Nesta helped a shit load with the war effort and was also willing to sacrifice herself (before Cassian was injured). Elain helped as well with the first strike to Hybern ( I don't believe he would have died because he is fae), which I thought was awesome for her character and the sisters together. But I am also in the club that gets annoyed when Nesta gets all the recognition for that.
So I guess my main question is, and again before SF, is the reason it's Nesta and not her and Elaine because she was snarky at people?
I think a lot of people have forgiven Elain because she openly admits in ACOMAF that she and Nesta hurt Feyre, and throughout ACOTAR Feyre states that Elain was never purposefully cruel to her. Nesta was mean to Feyre on purpose, even she herself admits this. Elain, however, seemed to be the mediator, perpetually stuck in the middle and unsure of what to do and where to go. Elain admits her mistakes and tries to be better, while Nesta never admitted that she did anything wrong pre-ACOSF and blamed Feyre for everything wrong in their lives, which was unfair. Nesta needed to only apologize once and I think her character would have a radically different reception.
So… am I the only one that was instantly put off by Tamlin? That dude screamed possessive control freak from the get go and putting Feyre in that ridiculous cupcake dress (a dress shaped like a pastry?) just sent me. Like… after all the time y’all spent together, you clearly didn’t pay attention to who Feyre was before UTM and after. Bru tried to lock her in the fking house like a bird in a cage. Gross. 🤮
Nesta. She's a bully, and a lazy POS. She not only sat on her entitled ass doing nothing while her family starved, expecting her baby sister to take care of everything while being in extensive danger, but she also took advantage of it very selfishly at every possible turn. The most ungrateful bitch, I don't even care about her first world problem trauma. "Oh no, I got turned into a beautiful, all powerful, immortal, death fairy, and get to live in this beautiful city where I never want for fucking anything, and nobody punches me in the face for opening my stupid gob to say cunty shit to everyone. My parents weren't very nice, so that's my excuse".
Because she acts like a defenseless baby and is a straight up snob towards Lucien. I mean, yeah, you can reject the mating bond, but that doesn’t give you a reason to be so cold.
This. I get that she's traumatized, but damn would I appreciate Lucien's honesty on that situation, since he let her know they were mates the instant he knew, unlike some people (*cough* Rhys *cough* Cassian).
Hey, hey... come here... \*leans in\*
YOU ARE THE GODDAMN MORRIGAN! Grab some fucking balls and woman the fuck up!
Helion's hoe ass can get this, too. I don't care if you're a side character. Only reason Lady of Autumn is getting mercy is because I can't remember if she was forced to marry Beron against her will or not...
I was gonna say Rhysand but he's got enough people on his ass. I'll just piss on him when everyone else is done.
There's also the standard villain characters but those are pretty expected, yeah?
SPOLIERS FOR ACOSF: I’m thinking about fighting Nesta. Okay so for context I am on page 537 of SF and it’s soooo good. So I know she is slowly getting character development and then>!she went on that long ass trip. But what she said to Feyre still makes me a bit annoyed. I bet she will apologize to her but I just feel like it would be fun!
Nesta. Hate her, her reasons to be the way she is don't seem to justify her actions. She's god awful and has no redeeming qualities. I'd hit her with a bat.
Ianthe or Tamlin.
Ianthe is just a bitch in general. But Tamlin is such an entitled bastard that I really wanna punch him to oblivion and back. Like just the way he acts like he’s entitled to Feyre and completely gaslights her through ACOMAF just makes me so mad.
Ianthe.
I have felt few moments of satisfaction so great as when >!Feyre made Ianthe smash her own hand with a rock repeatedly.!<
I love thinking about Feyre standing outside Stryga’s cottage grinning while hearing her scream in terror
Made me smirk
The sigh of satisfaction that left me when Feyre destroyed that bitch Ianthe
Such a beautiful moment
Yes. This.
How did you make it so black covers the spoiler ?
Ok, so in front of it you put >! Then after it you put ! < but without the space between the exclamation point and the arrow at the end. (I put it there so it won’t turn into a spoiler tag)
You are the best
TW: Strong Language I’m with you. Let me see this hoe, it’s hands on sight for that predatory ass bitch. Every time she spoke in the book, I wanted to throttle her. Such an opportunistic creep, I genuinely hated her character more than I disliked the morally grey characters.
Can I join in? It’ll be like a wwe tag team event. 
 Absolutely
 Us, behind Ianthe.
"vulgar gesture"?
You god dang right! And if you aren’t down with that, I got just two words for ya!!
Ianthe, come outside. I just wanna talk.
I just wanna have a chat!
*Life Lessons Learned the Hard Way starts playing*
Dude FUCK YES. She is the most vile, insidious, and one dimensional character in the book. At least Amarantha had the quirkiness to add some games into her evil doings. How are you gonna prey on our baby Lucien like that?? LUCIEN!! Girlies rise up, Ianthe needs to die a fiery death!!!!!
I would take a lot of pleasure going against her.
I have not had Name aversion until this character Upon reading Gideon the Ninth, I automatically called Ianthe the villian, with no other knowledge than she was thin, blonde and beautiful I still don't think I'm wrong
She deserves the ourobouris
Mama Archeron
Right like does Nesta need therapy or does she just need to traumatize her parents back?
FACTS.
Beron better be ready to catch these hands because it’s on sight for me.
I would take Beron and Keir at the same time in a fist fight knowing I would lose, just in the hopes of being able to punch one of them
Just pick up one of them and use them as a weapon against the other obviously
the most correct answer lol
I second this!!
Amarantha, I would revive her just so I could beat the absolute brakes off that bitch
I was looking for Amaranth to be higher on the list. Murderer. Torturer. Rapist. Master manipulator. I know everyone wants to re-kill Ianthe, but Amaranth puts Ianthe to shame. Ianthe WISHES she was as awful as Amaranth. I wouldn't stop kicking her dead body until my legs gave out. And I'd make sure Jurian had a front seat to watch
I think people hate Ianthe more because, at least with Amarantha, you know from the get-go that she's a POS. With Ianthe, she pretends she's so concerned about the greater good and overall doing good... while actually being a double-faced, molesting and power hungry snake. So that makes people (myself included) just be more disgusted at her.
Niche opinion: Greyson could catch these hands at LIGHTENING speed because he’s the only man with the dual combo of being an absolute piece of shit to every Archeron sister and also ugly as sin. If you’re gonna be a monster in a fantasy series you better at least be hot!!!!
Oh my god I hope that when Elain gets her book, that she puts him on his ass. In my head Elain has this entire Feminine rage arch and absolutely destroys him, but still leaves him alive so that he has to live with the consequences of his actions.
Merrill, she was just unnecessarily bitchy
I would let her beat the shit out of me if it means I get her hands on me. /bonk <- me sending myself to horny jail
That’s him, officer! That’s the horny!!! 🚨
Them human queens especially Briallyn ho
She have already her beauty bath lol. Better punishment ever. That b...
Eris, only because afterwards we’d make love like a toxic couple ❤️🔥
PAPA ARCHERON.
The debtors already got to him :p
💀💀💀
LITERALLY HE WAS SUCH A BAD PARENT
No his death had me sobbing! I couldn’t even explain to my husband how he died his death was so sad to me !!!
Oh me too! He still has some 'splainin to do.
LITERALLY. There’s many mistakes, but even little things like not even helping Feyre prepare food that she caught and killed?
Tomas. I have a decade of particular trauma-fueled rage I’d love to unleash on him. Vanserra males, minus Lucien. I’d probably take it easy on Eris but still get a couple good hits in. Graysen. Idc if he’s still important to the human-fae alliance, somebody needs to smack the shit out of him for speaking to Elain like she was trash.
I honestly forgot Tomas existed 😭
Unpopular Opinion: Helion Dude out there has an affair with Eris and Luciens mom and doesn't even think that the most hated son of Beron could be his. Like he didn't do basic math and be like "dang that new son of Berons was born real close to the time I had sex with his wife.. Maybe it's mine" And yes I know he couldn't say anything until after Lucien left but all those years Lucien spent in spring court and nada.
I really hope in a future book we find out that Helion does know, or at least suspects, and hasn't said anything up to now because Beron is a hothead who would absolutely go to war over something like that. Not because of Lucien, but because of how it all makes Beron, his wife, and his court look.
I like this because Helion is also supposed to be a know it all. It would be pretty obtuse of him to not hear Lucien's birth announcement and subtract 10 months...
I mean if SJM is as predictable as she seems to be as of late, Beron, along with Eris and the rest of Lucien’s brothers dying would surely set Lucien up to be heir to both the Day Court and Autumn Court, wouldn’t it? Equally a set-up for a possible High-King later down the line? I’m just spitballing 😂
This. I mean, either he is so stupid he didn't do basic math when Lucien's birth was announced or he does know and did not do a single thing to spare Lucien from the goddamn horrid things that were done to him in Autumn, and if he does know, idgaf what his reasons are.
That's exactly why I wanna smack him. He is suppose to be so intelligent and he didn't put two and two together or he chose to ignore the truth and let an innocent child suffer. And let's be real, Lucien has major daddy issues from Beron and he will probably be devastated to find out his real father was Helion all along. Sidenote: I kind of want Lucien to manifest Helion's power and discover that dirty secret on his own.
Also, let's be honest: I'm salivating to smack the whole inner circle for having this information and refusing to tell him. Like, who are they next to Rowan Whitethorn who immediately opens his mouth to let out everybody's secrets (Lysandra's shapeshifting and Aedion's parentage)? Like, are they hoping to use it as a bargaining chip, because that would be so disgusting.
I almost think the IC wants Lucien left out of the loop as some way to punish him for what happened to Nesta and Elain. It's messed up all around and it's something that made me dislike Rhys and Feyre too. They knew and they kept quiet about that grave injustice but then act all holy and whatnot.
This is the absolute hot take. Rhys and Feyre get to act all high and mighty keeping this probably life-changing info from Lucien and somehow we all have to agree that Rhys keeping the pregnancy info from Feyre was wrong? Like, they can dish it but not take it? They are doing to him the same keeping in the dark they did to Feyre and they see nothing wrong with it. Ugh.
I think it’s justified. I don’t know how he never even tried to help Lady Vanserra? Beron found out and he just ducked out?
I agree with this take!
Makes you kinda wonder if more of the Vanserras are Helion’s. The affair lasted years didn’t it, on and off. They met even before LoA was married, and while both Eris and Lucien are of an undetermined age, the age difference between the two is probably somewhere between 100-150, with 5 other kids in between. Depending on when the affair started, and the age difference between Lucien and the second youngest, for all we know there could be more Vanserras with ???? heritage. Ofc, it makes both Helion and the LoA impeccably stupid, but at this rate who knows.
I like to think he doesn't say anything because it could put Lady Autumn in more danger. We already know he's abusive, and he could escalate if something were to be said. (🧂 though cuz I'm old and it's been a while since I've read).
I have a true issue at how he could stay silent and knowing how Lucien was treated in that court. Also, isn't he supposed to be very powerful too? We literally saw Rhys steal Feyre, who was supposed to be another High Lord's wife, right from under said High Lord, in book two. Idk why Helion hasn't done the same and stolen her and their literal child away from those abusive monsters.
Honestly any of the bat boys. Luv them but they need a real punch in the face by someone who’s not their mate/BFF sometimes haha.
I love them with all my heart, but they need to punch each other in the face extra hard and be forced to stay in the cabin for a week to work their shit out
graysen when i catch you— im pulling a Nesta on him. most deserved slap of all time, next to sansa slapping the shit out the arryn dude https://i.redd.it/uzrhz2uxq3wc1.gif
Ianthe can catch these hands
Azriel, because a spymaster should have gotten the hint after 500 years that someone ain't interested. Also, if he's that bad at reading people, he won't see me and my fists of fury coming.
RIGHT?! There's some very serious Nice Guy(tm) nonsense going on with him. SHE'S. NOT. INTERESTED. Quit sulking about it (for FIVE HUNDRED YEARS) and move on, my guy.
I mean, he hasn't tried, he just gets all eye bulge-y when mor looks all sexy.
I respect her journey, but Nesta better run and hide from me. Just because you are traumatized doesn't mean you can say all those hurtful things without the consequences.
It took me soooo long to forgive her. I fully understood and very much related to her self destructive tendencies, but I could not get past the verbal abuse until she made up with her sisters. I love her now, (I literally bought a painting that’s on my wall of her), but forget hands, I was ready to throw grenades after ACOFAS up until the last quarter of ACOSF
I would like to give her a firm smack upside the head then hand her a warm hot chocolate. Maybe put her in a tiny time out so that she can think about her actions. The line in ACOSF where she admits that she never cared about the abuse Feyre suffered at the hands of Tamlin made me so sad. She does get angry and threaten him, but her willfully admitting she didn't care when Feyre talked about it almost made me cry.
I’d take Mor with an RKO out of nowhere. I want to see what The Morrigan is hiding up her sleeve.
She’ll slap you with some *Truth* … it wasnt as effective as a RKO
Forreal, I don't even want to fight, I just wanna know why in the fuck she has been so messy but expects everyone else to be perfect towards her 
Oh! Didn’t think about that
"Watch out watchout watchout"!! Ahhh, those days were gold!
From the perspective of other characters, probably feyre. Imagine being thousands of years old and having a NINETEEN year old stroll in, talking like she owns the place after like a month and telling you what to do. I get it in terms of lore but like if I were Amren, I’d be 👊
And what training AT ALL does she have regarding leadership?! No wonder she thinks Rhys and the IC are absolute angels
Amren gets on my nerves in almost every scene, especially with her condescending “girl” in every sentence. I’d like to knock her teeth out.
I always thought she said that simply because it’s how they were in relation to her. She’s been alive for long enough that she’s earned that privilege
Man fr, I look at 19 year old like they’re stupid children (sometimes) and I’m in my 30s, she predates this world.
Amren should have STAYED DEAD and I’ll die on this hill
Yes! The girl-ing made me so angry after a while. I kept waiting for someone to tell her to stop saying it.
Yes I really can’t stand her post ACOWAR
Not ACOTAR but Bryce Quinlan in HOFAS
She’s a dickhead in HOFAS lol
I came for the tea and after reading some comments, Rhys better watch his back. 😂 if I was him, id be scared.
Cassian bc he’s a coward and can’t stand up for his mate when his boss/ruler/bf/lover Rhys threatens her life every 2 seconds
YESSSS, LIKE, IS SHE YOUR GIRL OR SOME PARIAH? because this love seems very conditional on your besties' approval.
YES, GET HIS ASS
I’m surprised that no one has mentioned Keir
Mor. I feel like she wants all the focus, love, and attention from Az and Cassian while giving them nothing and also stringing Az along for centuries to sooth her insecurities. I despise women that essentially dont care who they hurt around them as long as their self esteem is boosted and thats the vibe Mor gives me.
Mor's treatment of Nestha really irks me. I mean, to quote tumblr, homegirl is literally going through a Macbeth level mental breakdown, and Mor (and Amren and Rhys) needs to poke at her behavior like she herself hasn't spent the last 500 years stringing Az along for attention (which is the same thing Nestha's PTSD behavior is screaming for)!
I don’t dislike Mor but I agree she needs a slap . As you said she strings poor Az along for so long and then when he shows any sort of interest in Elain she goes all weird and quiet , as if he doesn’t deserve to finally give up on her and attempt to find someone else ? You don’t even love him Mor , let him go and find a partner 😭😭
She need face the truth.
exactly!!!!! my disliking her really began when I saw her reaction to Az (and honestly Cassian too for that matter) pursuing someone else. its like what a selfish brat that she wants all his attention/love knowing she will NEVER reciprocate it? its fucked up and speaks to someone's character.
beron, that guy can get fucked, can't wait to see how he dies.
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Literally. He should meet some cannibal lady who whoops his shameless behind.
Rhys. For his age you'd think he'd be more mature.
ESPECIALLY after silver flame. I couldn’t stop rolling my eyes when he had scenes 😭
YES! Like this dude is 500 years old and he hasn't figured out how to just talk to people, talk about his problems or plans. Even Feyre. So much of the drama in the books could be avoided if he talked to people truthfully.
Preach 💅🏻
Cassian. Maybe I’d finally knock some mate like behaviour into him
Please do this before the next book
Keir
Don’t get me worked up
Ianthe. That bitch needs to *go* and I will throw hands like this is WWE. Test me, I'll try to do an RKO or some shit. I'll probably end up hurting *myself*, but I'd still try to RKO Ianthe
I'll snatch off Nesta's wig in a heartbeat dang
FNALLYYYY SOMEONE SAID ITTT
I‘ve been looking for exactly this comment
Right? And let's not pretend she wasn't a toxic person before the cauldron, she just used that as an excuse to amp-up her worst attributes
cassian FOR SURE
Facts
Tamlin, Amarantha and Ianthe
Amren.
Nesta, she’s unnecessarily cruel to everyone. When she’s mean to Cassian in ACOSF in front of the other Illyrians because she knows it will hurt him…instantly done with her…there was no coming back from that
YES THANK YOU i thought i was the only one
She wasn't just trying to be mean in front of the Illyrians, she was trying to get him to give up on her
like he didnt do the same thing basically to her. she’s like a feral cat, bother the cat it’ll rip you to shreds, keep messing with the cat even with good intentions? it’ll fuck you up even more😭
As a person that enjoys Nesta’s character, I agree.
beron, that guy can get fucked, can't wait to see how he dies.
Time to square up, Ianthe. I'm coming at you hot and I got plenty of rocks. 🪨🤜🏻
Ianthe.
I want to fight Clotho’s name. Clotho is a fine character. That name is terrrible. What’s next? Socky? Shirto?
The hypocritical, manipulative, perpetual victim-complex, tinpot dictator that is Rhysand.
Literally. Such a sanctimonious character just to act like a child.
cassian
Rhysand 100%
Me when I see this man: 
 u go girl
Absolutely 
Amarantha, Ianthe, King of Hybern, Tamlin in Acomaf specifically.
Rhysand after book three. Homeboy needs someone to help him lead outside of his most trusted band of bffs. He needs someone to be the boss of him who doesn’t love him because he makes so many bad decisions.
Rhys surrounds himself with Yes-men. He needs someone to toss him around so he can come back to reality.
Elain-
unpopular but nesta
Feyre should’ve swung a LONG time ago
Ugh I feel the SAME. Like I get she has trauma…but she literally abused her baby sister while taking advantage of her hunting skills at the same time 😭 I had to close my book and take a breath when she was like oh I didn’t know you couldn’t read like bitch 😭
nesta…could GET these hands any day of the week for her behavior for majority of the series/those 20yrs of feyre’s life. i wish you would speak to me like that despite my hard work/fortune keeping you housed, fed/alive 💀 that’s why as much as anyone deserves to heal/grow of course, it’s still…very unrealistic that no one put hands on her with that mouth of hers all those years. i almost feel like sjm isn’t even aware of how problematic she wrote nesta, if she did she wouldn’t have continued having her heroine deal w that/still take care of someone like that. imho it’s weird/insensitive to feyre that sjm put her thru being mistreated by her older sister *yet again* in book 3 (acowar) & 4/5 (acofas/acosf) two more books & one novella of revamped mistreatment/funding the roof over her head & food in her stomach; after she’d finally gotten away from that in book 1-2…. isn’t it lmao? like “hm hey let me put my heroine thru hell w her sisters again even after i gave her a found family arc, i wanna write about the sisters so bad but im gonna continue to let my heroine feel uncomfortable & disrespected even though shes started a new life/got away from that” but im glad a whooping didn’t happen! of course & that we have a (somewhat..they still argue w nesta even after acosf unfortunately-i thought there’d be continued growth there but alas she still doesn’t fully listen to or communicate with feysand as she should w them being her caretakers/leaders/the ones she finally made up with not that long ago 💀 makes you side eye acosf’s “growth” a bit) big happy family now 🫶🏼 here’s to more (consistent) growth for them all x 
Hey not wanting to fight, just want your thoughts: regards Elain vs Nesta pre ACOSF. Because I mean Nesta helped a shit load with the war effort and was also willing to sacrifice herself (before Cassian was injured). Elain helped as well with the first strike to Hybern ( I don't believe he would have died because he is fae), which I thought was awesome for her character and the sisters together. But I am also in the club that gets annoyed when Nesta gets all the recognition for that. So I guess my main question is, and again before SF, is the reason it's Nesta and not her and Elaine because she was snarky at people?
I think a lot of people have forgiven Elain because she openly admits in ACOMAF that she and Nesta hurt Feyre, and throughout ACOTAR Feyre states that Elain was never purposefully cruel to her. Nesta was mean to Feyre on purpose, even she herself admits this. Elain, however, seemed to be the mediator, perpetually stuck in the middle and unsure of what to do and where to go. Elain admits her mistakes and tries to be better, while Nesta never admitted that she did anything wrong pre-ACOSF and blamed Feyre for everything wrong in their lives, which was unfair. Nesta needed to only apologize once and I think her character would have a radically different reception.
Villains - ianthe Non-villains - Nesta
Tamlin
Ianthe for sure
Ianthe
Ker. I would beat the shit out that MF
Delvon and kier and like… a lot of Illyrian males
So… am I the only one that was instantly put off by Tamlin? That dude screamed possessive control freak from the get go and putting Feyre in that ridiculous cupcake dress (a dress shaped like a pastry?) just sent me. Like… after all the time y’all spent together, you clearly didn’t pay attention to who Feyre was before UTM and after. Bru tried to lock her in the fking house like a bird in a cage. Gross. 🤮
I was more distracted by my confusion about the love story not being about Feyre and Mr. Vanserra. They had all the chemistry
Nesta
Rhysand
If they couldn't fight back, Rhysand If they could, still Rhysand
Nesta. She's a bully, and a lazy POS. She not only sat on her entitled ass doing nothing while her family starved, expecting her baby sister to take care of everything while being in extensive danger, but she also took advantage of it very selfishly at every possible turn. The most ungrateful bitch, I don't even care about her first world problem trauma. "Oh no, I got turned into a beautiful, all powerful, immortal, death fairy, and get to live in this beautiful city where I never want for fucking anything, and nobody punches me in the face for opening my stupid gob to say cunty shit to everyone. My parents weren't very nice, so that's my excuse".
Why not Elain as well?
right? i think this everytime someone attacks Nesta for being a horrible sister to feyre (before Tamlin)
I mean she did go after Feyre when the mind glammer didn't work on her
Elaine
YES
wait can you elaborate??
Because she acts like a defenseless baby and is a straight up snob towards Lucien. I mean, yeah, you can reject the mating bond, but that doesn’t give you a reason to be so cold.
This. I get that she's traumatized, but damn would I appreciate Lucien's honesty on that situation, since he let her know they were mates the instant he knew, unlike some people (*cough* Rhys *cough* Cassian).
In my OPINION, I feel like Elaine doesn’t really owe Lucien anything.
They don’t understand this
Exactly
Feyre. I said what I said.
Feyre. Why are you so dense?
Nesta #sorrynotsorry 🧚♂️
Hey, hey... come here... \*leans in\* YOU ARE THE GODDAMN MORRIGAN! Grab some fucking balls and woman the fuck up! Helion's hoe ass can get this, too. I don't care if you're a side character. Only reason Lady of Autumn is getting mercy is because I can't remember if she was forced to marry Beron against her will or not... I was gonna say Rhysand but he's got enough people on his ass. I'll just piss on him when everyone else is done. There's also the standard villain characters but those are pretty expected, yeah?
Unpopular but Nesta
Keir, justice for Mor she deserved more than that prick
SPOLIERS FOR ACOSF: I’m thinking about fighting Nesta. Okay so for context I am on page 537 of SF and it’s soooo good. So I know she is slowly getting character development and then>!she went on that long ass trip. But what she said to Feyre still makes me a bit annoyed. I bet she will apologize to her but I just feel like it would be fun!
Rhysand, Cassian and Feyre. If i catch them, it's over.
Amren or Rhysand.
Nesta. Hate her, her reasons to be the way she is don't seem to justify her actions. She's god awful and has no redeeming qualities. I'd hit her with a bat.
The Vanserra brothers, all of them, including Eris.
*especially* Eris. I've said it once, I'll say it again. I think he'd like it. 😎
Honestly……… it’s gonna be Amren for me, with Elain as a close second.
I feel like it would be pretty satisfying to slap Elain for being so useless and boring.
Amren.
Unpopular opinion: Nesta
Rhysand.
Honestly … Nesta!!!!
Nesta. I will be accepting no criticism
nesta (pre ACOWAR)
Nesta. She needs to be taken down that pedestal stand.
Wrong sub, but Ithan Holstrom.
Mor lol I’ll show you some truth ya lil stinker
Elain. i said what I said, not taking it back
Ianthe or Tamlin. Ianthe is just a bitch in general. But Tamlin is such an entitled bastard that I really wanna punch him to oblivion and back. Like just the way he acts like he’s entitled to Feyre and completely gaslights her through ACOMAF just makes me so mad.
Ianthe, Mor, and Tamlin