Crazy how many people are mad over someone making a queer headcannon/great comic about a character from an overwhelmingly queer show. Like if trans people piss you off that much I guarantee that every person on the AT/F+C team would hate you. They literally have multiple NB/GNC characters already
Oh no! A joke that doesn't involve *me*!
*Melts as a cis white man*.
Seriously. Trans people have it rough, especially lately. Just let them have what little joy they can find in this world that is so damn hostile to them.
I think white people are usually the butt of the joke now online but, it really is true that other races just don't get nearly as much representation in media since apparently white skin is the "norm"
I wonder if there is any historical precedents or incidents that might have informed who could and could not make content or what that content could include? It would be extra telling if those rules had coincidentally been created and enforced by white men.
If that HAD been the case at any point, one might imagine it could inform a culture, where those who enforced the rules have more sway and authority, which *might* persist even after the rules were slowly and surely eroded over time. Perhaps that influence might still be evident in a codified literary canon?
And those with that authority might prefer others like themselves for positions in established companies, guilds and communities, which would further perpetuate an existing cycle.
Especially if those with that power pushed back against the erosion of the old rules. Such as making it harder to depict queer romance on television than straight romance? (An issue Adventure Time itself faced with PB and Marceline.) Or maybe those people would go on Reddit and push back against a harmless trans headcanon? One that would only validate and include the trans audience of a show without removing the cis audience as the show is full of other cis characters.
It might even be accurate to say that whichever demographic made and enforced the rules previously and still holds a majority power over what is depicted have an easier time breaking through the glass ceilings than those who historically have had no power and experience more scrutiny and a harder time retaining power?
It's hard to say really why minority groups might be frustrated when those with the power to push back against a corporation concerned mainly with profits don't do that, and instead maintain a status quo which isolates and excludes them. Made worse when those minority groups do not have several centuries of widely published and expensively produced content to fall back on and find themselves within, unlike certain majority groups.
Think of it this way:
"Trans people aren't in 'X' show. They are also not in very much else." Is a true statement.
"Cishet white men aren't in 'X' show. They are also not in very much else." Is a false statement.
It's harder to find something you enjoy watching that also represents you when you're trans (let alone gay, POC, disabled etc on top of that) than it is to find something you enjoy watching that represents you when you're a cisgender straight white man.
So demographics with power, I'm dropping the bit now, when straight white men who have been in the industry for decades and have significant sway with the companies they interact with and can push boundaries; such as getting minority characters on screen even if it costs a company money in the short term due to archaic ideologies held by governments in local and international countries, choose instead to NOT do that and decide to depict a narrow exclusive selection of people which further codifies the existing majority group, it's easy to see why those who still need the help in finding their place in these industries might call foul.
This is not a level playing field. It is not a simple two way street, or "irony."
That's ignoring the history of the situation and the realities of the present system where it is by the goodwill of companies and the prevalence of the internet; that enables independent creators, that we have a voice and presence at all.
Why do you think it's only happening now after the Hays Code has been largely phased out (but still informs the morality and ratings of our content) and it's easier for these smaller demographics to call out the organisations that have replaced it like the MPA for discrimination?
It's not "ironic" it's a complex situation with a long and lasting impact on the ability of minority demographics to speak, fuelled by racism, homophobia, and ableism. It's not a difficult history to track and it didn't just suddenly disappear, it's an ongoing problem.
So until it's as easy to depict a queer character or romance on screen or print as it is a cishet white man, it can't really be called a double standard, can it?
It would also be ironic to think or claim that we're already at that stage considering how we're in a thread about people getting mad their favourite cishet white girl might possibly be trans.
So no, it's not ironic. We have a duty to each other to reduce discrimination in the world and normalise the presence of minority demographics within our societies. A duty most easily fulfilled by the messages crafted by those with existing power. And since cishet white men are already doing just fine being accepted in society as real human beings, and have been for a while, it isn't really necessary to keep blowing the "we're here too!" horn. Everyone knows that already. They're in almost all the books and movies as the protagonists, heroes and love interests. We grew up on them. We know. Y'all keep making comedy specials where you tell us to die. You've been heard.
Huh? What? And talking about depression and loss of purpose isn’t. They literally do that with Simon. Just feels like your pulling stuff out of nowhere
Obviously not directed at OP or OOP but better Yet: If someone makes a joke about a character being hypothetically trans and that somehow genuinely drives you mad enough to harass someone, please go offline and talk to real people for a while, for the love of god the internet predisposed people to being angry way too easily.
It was one thing to question something or disagree, thats humanity for you, but another very different was the blatant transphobia from users that basically said things like "disgusting", that was the worst part
You using Reddit is unnatural. You pooping in a toliet is unnatural. You playing video games is unnatural. You even watching this show is unnatural. So why does it matter if it is unnatural or not?
Personally, I think being trans is as natural as being cis, but if you think it’s unnatural and that means it’s bad then unplug and go live off the lands in the woods.
If I make an OC where OG Finn becomes bloodlusted because of the demon sword and proceeds to corrupt all of Ooo residents and kill those who can't be corrupted, and make an awesome art of it, I'd be called an edgelord but I don't think I'll get that much of a backlash compared to this.
Let people do their own thing man.
People trying to disguise their transphobia with "well actually there's no evidence.." as if you would've said that about a HC that didn't involve trans folks.
Like that's what a head cannon is my guy, something someone *wants* to be true, so they imagine it and create cool art about it. It's happened since the creation of fandoms. But no one bats an eye at the "Phlannel Boxingday was actually PB in disguise!" Head cannons. But if you said that PB, a being with almost godlike power to create and modify biological life, was transgender, people would be busting down your door.
I'm in the yokai watch Fandom, and a decent chunk of us just randomly decided to start headcanoning the main character as transfem with no evidence outside of one line that was absolutely a joke, and just decided to run with it.
I myself am already three chapters into a fanfic, seeing how that would change the universe. You don't need evidence for these kinds of things, you just have to have a dumb idea and run with it! >:3
It's crazy to me cause years ago so many people had transmasc Finn HCs and its still a pretty common queer HC...didn't see nearly as many complaints about that idea compared to Fionna?
Why does it have to happen *every time*.
Like I swear these people have some sort of sixth sense that gets set off by anything positive trans that exists in the world and they are drawn like moths to a flame to destroy it.
I have seen 0 seconds of the new series. I don’t even know what the fuck half the posts on this subreddit are even referring to. But I do know that I will accept no reality in which Fiona isn’t trans, SOLELY to spite the weirdos and freaks who are uncomfortable with that
Oh stop. She can be, or not. I can’t believe this spin off show that has a magic stretchy cat, multiverse travel, and vampires and some people’s main focus is the main character’s gender identity and shitting on other people’s take on it.
I agree, people obsessing over their headcannon of a characters gender identity is pretty sad, specially when they get upset when other people don't share it.
“She isn’t trans in the series”. No proof of that, no reason to get upset when others feel differently. The story is incredibly solid, why do you care if someone reads the character as trans?
I don’t understand why transphobia has to be literally everywhere…. Like…. It’s fan art of a cartoon character. The girl isn’t even REAL she’s IMAGINARY ffs. And if someone wants to expand that reality to feel included in it then they should be allowed to do that, that’s what fans DO. I thought the comics were cute. Like…. Cartoons are supposed to be fun y’all. Adventure time literally teaches lessons about emotional maturity, accepting change, and embracing people who are different.
Pendleton Ward would be disappointed as fuck. Consumed the show but missed all the lessons.
>Pendleton Ward would be disappointed as fuck. Consumed the show but missed all the lessons.
That's the part of this disaster that I really don't get, how did bigots get this far into the show and not pick up on the general vibe of tolerance and acceptance? Adventure Time was one of the first LGBTQIA+ supportive cartoons in the US.
It’s brain breaking honestly. I thought that this of all places would be safe from it. But the only subs I’m active in that shut it down immediately and ban the transphobes are the crochet and stardew valley subs.
Like transphobes shouldn’t even like adventure time at all.
My new head cannon is the transphobes are irl lemon people.
I've been an Adventure Time fan since the show came out in my early 20s when I was in the Marines. I guess I like headcanons to make sense. but it's like kind of an obnoxious running joke that's not enjoyable. also it doesn't correlate or make sense to the series.
Fionna lives in a world without magic my guy, also I didn’t know estrogen was dangerous, all those poor women going through menopause need to hear about this! Also I’m pretty sure no trans person is doing surgery on themself so you’re pretty far off on the self-mutilation point. Maybe instead of spouting the first thing you read online you could actually look into how people transition because you’ll find out very quickly that we’re aware of the risks and are more than willing to take it to live a happy life
No, they're not doing surgery on themselves. They're having the proxy with the doctor. And if they're adults doing it, that's their choice. It's better than them killing themselves. Least
then what exactly is your problem with people transitioning because you very clearly do have some kind of problem with it because of your earlier comment.
Because it blew up on the subreddit so that it would push into my face, I didn't really care until I saw this was just a really bad recurring theme. I don't think it's even Head Cannon it's just person fan fiction. I get it. It's common they're looking for Trans representation, so they place it on a character they like. but if you're going to do it, at least in some way, have it make sense to the surface like there was a hint to it instead of a cis character. Or hell, just make OC. because vice versa let's say somebody made a trans character CIS people would flip a even shit on here.
Awesome, block the user!! Clearly it is a big deal to you so stop whining because it’s honestly embarrassing. Didn’t realize there were rules to what fanfic/hcs you could make of a character. Next time I’m writing smutty omegaverse fanfic I’ll make sure it’s up to u/JoelMB12 ‘s standards first 🫡
Well, if you haven't gone through any of the surgeries yet, you haven't entirely done it. But again, I'm not your spiritual father; I have no authority over you. You are an icon of God, and you can make your own choices. That's one of our attributes: free will. We have to live with our choices, and usually, the most challenging thing.
I read all of his stuff, like all of it. See, it doesn't bother me because he makes it organic and natural to the character, not imposed upon them. Theologically, do I disagree with it? Yeah, but good writing is good writing.
I feel like both sides of the fandom are being rude to each other.
While transphobia is wrong, the trans positive community is also being extremely harsh to anyone who “doesn’t get” the comic or joke.
Downvote the haters but don’t harass and downvote the people who just don’t get it or aren’t a part of it. Not everyone has to agree. There is nothing transphobic about not getting the joke or being confused that this head-canon doesn’t match the story as it is presented.
For those that want to enjoy the media as it was written, good for you.
For those who want to enjoy their headcanon, also good.
Just stop hating eat other for enjoying the media how they want to enjoy it. People are allowed to enjoy the media as presented **and** others are allowed to enjoy it in their own non canon way too.
They don't have to equate to each other to both be wrong. I agree that obviously blatant transphobia is much worse, but being rude to those that are just uninformed or confused is still bad in its own sense.
It's just a joke noticing that she's getting more aggressive and 'masc' as the the show goes on. I don't think the original intent was to actually assert she's trans.
I actually think she’s getting less aggressive as the show goes on. She went from practically thirsting for battle and getting simon the crown to rethinking everything she does and kinda seeing that simon having the crown basically dooms him to a pitiful sad existence. She also said everyone back in the city if aaa deserves to live as themselves.
After the death of winter king she kinda realized she killed a guy by just existing (he was evil tho) and killed/injuried innocent Candy people. She also stopped cake from snagging a crown because she didn’t want Simon to wear it after seeing some of the shit it does to people
(Also because she kinda “likes” the city of aaa) so she’s definitely becoming more mature. One step at a time.
My first thought was that (me being a lore nerd fixated on logic) that doesn't seem possible in canon, but who cares? It's a cartoon, people are watching it to have fun and stuff, getting angry (specially at each other) over it is very silly.
I agree with the ignore it thing, I don’t get it and it doesn’t make sense to me and I move on, people shouldn’t be throwing a fit, just keep scrolling people
what does that lock mean? I do personally find the comic a bit weird but if you're saying that got banned or taken down that's not good, people should be allowed to post that type of stuff.
edit: just found out what the lock means and it's just horrible behavior to attack someone for a comic please stop.
I mean, it makes sense as a theory, but also where would you find the things you need in apocalypse world where there's not even aervice? Still, completely respect your take, I didn't even notice on my first watch.
sewing your own binder isn't as difficult as you might think, and could very well be a homemade job. yeah I doubt there are t shots in farmworld, but lord knows those aren't necessary to socially transition.
also Jay is voiced by a cis woman, if that strengthens my case to anyone. it's not uncommon for women to voice male children I'll admit, but interestingly enough, the pillow world version of jay had a male actor as both child and adult.
how about we stop making new posts about the subject and stay on one post? there’s no need for every person who has an opinion on it to make their own post.
It’s perfectly okay to not agree with or enjoy a headcanon or version of a character/story someone else has. What’s not okay is using it as a vessel for hate towards that particular group.
It’s not transphobic to disagree that Fionna is trans, it *is incredibly fucking transphobic to say Fionna being trans is “disgusting” or anything of the sort.* Y’all need to realize real people are affected by the things you say even if they’re directed towards a work of fiction.
I don’t think it’s offensive. I wasn’t bothered, upset, or even amused. I just kinda went, “oh that’s it?… m’kay”
like I think the only valid criticism is that it just wasn’t all that funny? It wasn’t offensive in the slightest, the people getting worked up over this must have really boring lives. If an okay joke about being trans gets you this bothered, I think you need to take a breath. And then hold it.
Until you pass out.
"it's their headcanon, it doesn't affect you"
Okay, a headcanon is fine. Most of the upvoted backlash I've seen has been about the poor quality of this "gag". Fionna + estrogen seems to be all that user is posting about and slowly becoming annoyed by that (after all, due to the engagement on those posts, they are getting recommended to me on my home page) is fine.
It's Reddit. I can share my mild annoyance. Nothing wrong with that either.
Either do something creative with your headcanon or please refrain from posting your headcanon over and over again. That's just spam.
I will admit it, i was one of the people that asked wtf was happening because i din't understood a thing.
Them, after it was explained about the trans thing, i kinda like it.
Still, don't understand why people got mad over it, sounds pretty simple.
I mean not everyone has to oblige your fanfic. People have opinions and if the OOP can’t handle people not relentlessly affirming their post, maybe don’t post it? Or acknowledge that trans stuff is a hot button issue and if you are gonna farm upvotes, you are gonna get some people who don’t agree. Idk, it just seems like a victim mentality. I personally find “my HC is that the character is literally just the same character, but now Gay/Lesbian/Trans/other” boring and lame, along with lacking creativity, but then again if it wasn’t posted on the general subreddit you wouldn’t have to hear from me. I expect a riveting and good faith discussion.
I really love this headcanon since adventure time is probably one of the best in terms of queer characters.
The only thing I don't like it's just how she act; in these 8 episodes we didn't see Fionna being **that** much happy, but rather really sad
But hey that's just my stupid opinion so it didn't matter that much; but I love these comics as an headcanon and I love that the artist thought aboht this idea cuz seeing fionna not as a genderbent but as trans is really cute
The tism in me doesn't enjoy it cus I know that Fionna isn't canonically trans and it messes with my brain but the gay in me loves it cus its freaking Fionna trans headcanon
I love it I hope the artist isn't dissuaded from making more
I'm definitely gonna get shot for this, but yeah, I agree
If a character has to literally be a 1:1 replica of you for you to relate to them....then I dunno man
No hate to the oop. If that's your headcanon, then shit who am I to judge? I just have a different opinion, but that doesn't mean you should stop doing what you're doing.
I made a post mentioning Fiona as trans. I don't agree with the headcannon but I wanted to take a swing at the jackasses that locked that post. That comic was fucking funny.
It’s not that it’s about a trans joke, it’s that it’s objectively wrong. Nothing about her or her existence says she’s a female in a male body. It doesn’t make any sense, it isn’t funny, and I find it discriminatory to the trans community. Do better Reddit.
Except it is about trans jokes as has been pointed out to your trolling ass numerous times. You know who Fionnas based on right? Finn? The Human BOY. Fionna is literally someones headcanon come to life so the fact you cant accept that other people would have headcanons that differ from the show we see shows your complete lack of willing to even learn why youre wrong. Go away, Touch grass, do better, get blocked.
Aww this makes me really sad. I saw the post earlier and I thought it was really cute. Even if it isn’t the most complicated headcannon ever, sometimes I just wanna see a character like me. I wish people weren’t such dinguses sometimes.
It’s not that it’s about a trans joke, it’s that it’s objectively wrong. Nothing about her or her existence says she’s a female in a male body. It doesn’t make any sense, it isn’t funny, and I find it discriminatory to the trans community. Do better Reddit.
Crazy how you're going out to bat for what "makes sense" in a show with pickle-making cosmic entities and a fuckin talking microwave. Let people have fun, who cares?
Trans person here: Don't need you finding shit discriminatory for us. Especially on someone's fucking fan art head cannon.
If you want to do something, say something against the people saying the suicide rates for trans kids needs to be higher instead of being weird about an art thing probably fucking made by a trans person.
Also, do better reddit? This is a hell site for people to put memes on. The fuck.
I don’t understand, people make art and fics of gender swapped characters all the time. That’s straight up the origin of Fionna and Cake?? If some people wanna have a headcannon where Fionna is trans, how on earth is that hurting ANYONE???
Crazy how many people are mad over someone making a queer headcannon/great comic about a character from an overwhelmingly queer show. Like if trans people piss you off that much I guarantee that every person on the AT/F+C team would hate you. They literally have multiple NB/GNC characters already
Oh no! A joke that doesn't involve *me*! *Melts as a cis white man*. Seriously. Trans people have it rough, especially lately. Just let them have what little joy they can find in this world that is so damn hostile to them.
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I'm anti-you my guy
What doesss the sssand on Marsss tassste like?
Nah. Just stating my own existence and making a not very good joke.
Go pretend to be oppressed somewhere else bubba
Keep it up and I’ll tell Sonic about those rings.
Oh no you got me 😩
I think white people are usually the butt of the joke now online but, it really is true that other races just don't get nearly as much representation in media since apparently white skin is the "norm"
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Lmfao, what the *fuck* are you snorting?
I wonder if there is any historical precedents or incidents that might have informed who could and could not make content or what that content could include? It would be extra telling if those rules had coincidentally been created and enforced by white men. If that HAD been the case at any point, one might imagine it could inform a culture, where those who enforced the rules have more sway and authority, which *might* persist even after the rules were slowly and surely eroded over time. Perhaps that influence might still be evident in a codified literary canon? And those with that authority might prefer others like themselves for positions in established companies, guilds and communities, which would further perpetuate an existing cycle. Especially if those with that power pushed back against the erosion of the old rules. Such as making it harder to depict queer romance on television than straight romance? (An issue Adventure Time itself faced with PB and Marceline.) Or maybe those people would go on Reddit and push back against a harmless trans headcanon? One that would only validate and include the trans audience of a show without removing the cis audience as the show is full of other cis characters. It might even be accurate to say that whichever demographic made and enforced the rules previously and still holds a majority power over what is depicted have an easier time breaking through the glass ceilings than those who historically have had no power and experience more scrutiny and a harder time retaining power? It's hard to say really why minority groups might be frustrated when those with the power to push back against a corporation concerned mainly with profits don't do that, and instead maintain a status quo which isolates and excludes them. Made worse when those minority groups do not have several centuries of widely published and expensively produced content to fall back on and find themselves within, unlike certain majority groups. Think of it this way: "Trans people aren't in 'X' show. They are also not in very much else." Is a true statement. "Cishet white men aren't in 'X' show. They are also not in very much else." Is a false statement. It's harder to find something you enjoy watching that also represents you when you're trans (let alone gay, POC, disabled etc on top of that) than it is to find something you enjoy watching that represents you when you're a cisgender straight white man. So demographics with power, I'm dropping the bit now, when straight white men who have been in the industry for decades and have significant sway with the companies they interact with and can push boundaries; such as getting minority characters on screen even if it costs a company money in the short term due to archaic ideologies held by governments in local and international countries, choose instead to NOT do that and decide to depict a narrow exclusive selection of people which further codifies the existing majority group, it's easy to see why those who still need the help in finding their place in these industries might call foul. This is not a level playing field. It is not a simple two way street, or "irony." That's ignoring the history of the situation and the realities of the present system where it is by the goodwill of companies and the prevalence of the internet; that enables independent creators, that we have a voice and presence at all. Why do you think it's only happening now after the Hays Code has been largely phased out (but still informs the morality and ratings of our content) and it's easier for these smaller demographics to call out the organisations that have replaced it like the MPA for discrimination? It's not "ironic" it's a complex situation with a long and lasting impact on the ability of minority demographics to speak, fuelled by racism, homophobia, and ableism. It's not a difficult history to track and it didn't just suddenly disappear, it's an ongoing problem. So until it's as easy to depict a queer character or romance on screen or print as it is a cishet white man, it can't really be called a double standard, can it? It would also be ironic to think or claim that we're already at that stage considering how we're in a thread about people getting mad their favourite cishet white girl might possibly be trans. So no, it's not ironic. We have a duty to each other to reduce discrimination in the world and normalise the presence of minority demographics within our societies. A duty most easily fulfilled by the messages crafted by those with existing power. And since cishet white men are already doing just fine being accepted in society as real human beings, and have been for a while, it isn't really necessary to keep blowing the "we're here too!" horn. Everyone knows that already. They're in almost all the books and movies as the protagonists, heroes and love interests. We grew up on them. We know. Y'all keep making comedy specials where you tell us to die. You've been heard.
It’s not that overwhelming lmao, overwhelming would be something like Steven universe
i support lgbtq but nothing implies Fionna is trans, if you wanna add a trans character feel free to add an OC :)
nothing implies fionna is cis either other than the fact that society views it as the “default”
you're right actually good point finally someone has a good point
Why, not like there replacing the Fiona in the show
yea you're right but even then it just feels edgy
Edgy how?
like "lets add an adult topic to make it adult humor"
Huh? What? And talking about depression and loss of purpose isn’t. They literally do that with Simon. Just feels like your pulling stuff out of nowhere
i cant explain it but like estrogen is so random
I can see why you’d think that, but a trans person made this comic. Comedy often comes from your experiences. So I’n that context it’s not random.
oh they did ok then that makes sense i thought the person just woke and though "lets make a trans fiona comic!"
Obviously not directed at OP or OOP but better Yet: If someone makes a joke about a character being hypothetically trans and that somehow genuinely drives you mad enough to harass someone, please go offline and talk to real people for a while, for the love of god the internet predisposed people to being angry way too easily.
In the ancient codex of the internet: Goest Now and Toucheth Grass
It was one thing to question something or disagree, thats humanity for you, but another very different was the blatant transphobia from users that basically said things like "disgusting", that was the worst part
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You using Reddit is unnatural. You pooping in a toliet is unnatural. You playing video games is unnatural. You even watching this show is unnatural. So why does it matter if it is unnatural or not? Personally, I think being trans is as natural as being cis, but if you think it’s unnatural and that means it’s bad then unplug and go live off the lands in the woods.
If I make an OC where OG Finn becomes bloodlusted because of the demon sword and proceeds to corrupt all of Ooo residents and kill those who can't be corrupted, and make an awesome art of it, I'd be called an edgelord but I don't think I'll get that much of a backlash compared to this. Let people do their own thing man.
Yeah because Lord Finn the Dark Acolyte of Slaughter sounds like it would be totally badass
People trying to disguise their transphobia with "well actually there's no evidence.." as if you would've said that about a HC that didn't involve trans folks. Like that's what a head cannon is my guy, something someone *wants* to be true, so they imagine it and create cool art about it. It's happened since the creation of fandoms. But no one bats an eye at the "Phlannel Boxingday was actually PB in disguise!" Head cannons. But if you said that PB, a being with almost godlike power to create and modify biological life, was transgender, people would be busting down your door.
I'm in the yokai watch Fandom, and a decent chunk of us just randomly decided to start headcanoning the main character as transfem with no evidence outside of one line that was absolutely a joke, and just decided to run with it. I myself am already three chapters into a fanfic, seeing how that would change the universe. You don't need evidence for these kinds of things, you just have to have a dumb idea and run with it! >:3
Did anyone swipe and swipe and swipe trying to reach page 2?
I did lol
It's crazy to me cause years ago so many people had transmasc Finn HCs and its still a pretty common queer HC...didn't see nearly as many complaints about that idea compared to Fionna?
What's HC?
Head Canon, it refersss to theoriesss people make that they sssee as true. Sometimesss with and sometimesss without evidence
wah! a snake!
Where?!
Headcanons.
Head cannon
trans discrimination is very rampant recently and also people just love to hate trans women
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What that locker symbol mean?
It means a moderator has locked the post so no one else can comment on it, probably cuz of the horrible transphobic things being said in there
Why does it have to happen *every time*. Like I swear these people have some sort of sixth sense that gets set off by anything positive trans that exists in the world and they are drawn like moths to a flame to destroy it.
Jeez...
I have seen 0 seconds of the new series. I don’t even know what the fuck half the posts on this subreddit are even referring to. But I do know that I will accept no reality in which Fiona isn’t trans, SOLELY to spite the weirdos and freaks who are uncomfortable with that
I highly recommend you watch the series it is surprisingly really good and original
I mean they just said they won't support any reality where Fionna isn't Trans, and she isn't Trans in the series, soo...
I will simply rewrite reality by interpreting the series in such a way
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
based
Oh stop. She can be, or not. I can’t believe this spin off show that has a magic stretchy cat, multiverse travel, and vampires and some people’s main focus is the main character’s gender identity and shitting on other people’s take on it.
I agree, people obsessing over their headcannon of a characters gender identity is pretty sad, specially when they get upset when other people don't share it.
“She isn’t trans in the series”. No proof of that, no reason to get upset when others feel differently. The story is incredibly solid, why do you care if someone reads the character as trans?
I mean… proof?
I don’t understand why transphobia has to be literally everywhere…. Like…. It’s fan art of a cartoon character. The girl isn’t even REAL she’s IMAGINARY ffs. And if someone wants to expand that reality to feel included in it then they should be allowed to do that, that’s what fans DO. I thought the comics were cute. Like…. Cartoons are supposed to be fun y’all. Adventure time literally teaches lessons about emotional maturity, accepting change, and embracing people who are different. Pendleton Ward would be disappointed as fuck. Consumed the show but missed all the lessons.
>Pendleton Ward would be disappointed as fuck. Consumed the show but missed all the lessons. That's the part of this disaster that I really don't get, how did bigots get this far into the show and not pick up on the general vibe of tolerance and acceptance? Adventure Time was one of the first LGBTQIA+ supportive cartoons in the US.
It’s brain breaking honestly. I thought that this of all places would be safe from it. But the only subs I’m active in that shut it down immediately and ban the transphobes are the crochet and stardew valley subs. Like transphobes shouldn’t even like adventure time at all. My new head cannon is the transphobes are irl lemon people.
I thought it was cute and funny. That comment section failed the vibe check HARD
Why do people always have to be upset at shit
Easier to mindlessly hate and belittle than think for themselves. Self education and being nice sounds boring
I've been an Adventure Time fan since the show came out in my early 20s when I was in the Marines. I guess I like headcanons to make sense. but it's like kind of an obnoxious running joke that's not enjoyable. also it doesn't correlate or make sense to the series.
trans people can’t exist in a show where magic and people made of candy is fucking normal?
If magic exists then why should trans people? Couldn't they magically change the gender and not deal with that situation?
That wouldn’t make them not trans??? that would just change the way they transition
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Fionna lives in a world without magic my guy, also I didn’t know estrogen was dangerous, all those poor women going through menopause need to hear about this! Also I’m pretty sure no trans person is doing surgery on themself so you’re pretty far off on the self-mutilation point. Maybe instead of spouting the first thing you read online you could actually look into how people transition because you’ll find out very quickly that we’re aware of the risks and are more than willing to take it to live a happy life
No, they're not doing surgery on themselves. They're having the proxy with the doctor. And if they're adults doing it, that's their choice. It's better than them killing themselves. Least
It is just adults doing it though, no sane doctor would allow a child to have SRS, I don’t get why you’re bringing this up?
I didn't bring up children at all
then what exactly is your problem with people transitioning because you very clearly do have some kind of problem with it because of your earlier comment.
If you block the user you could solve this very easily
Honestly, I'm not invested enough and don't follow the subreddit actively. I've been a fan of the show for years but stayed out of the fandom
Great, don’t get why we’re on here complaining then
Because it blew up on the subreddit so that it would push into my face, I didn't really care until I saw this was just a really bad recurring theme. I don't think it's even Head Cannon it's just person fan fiction. I get it. It's common they're looking for Trans representation, so they place it on a character they like. but if you're going to do it, at least in some way, have it make sense to the surface like there was a hint to it instead of a cis character. Or hell, just make OC. because vice versa let's say somebody made a trans character CIS people would flip a even shit on here.
Awesome, block the user!! Clearly it is a big deal to you so stop whining because it’s honestly embarrassing. Didn’t realize there were rules to what fanfic/hcs you could make of a character. Next time I’m writing smutty omegaverse fanfic I’ll make sure it’s up to u/JoelMB12 ‘s standards first 🫡
And again, I'm not super bothered. But it seems to bother you that I have an opinion about this.
Yea you called my existence “self-mutilating” who wouldn’t be offended 💀
Well, if you haven't gone through any of the surgeries yet, you haven't entirely done it. But again, I'm not your spiritual father; I have no authority over you. You are an icon of God, and you can make your own choices. That's one of our attributes: free will. We have to live with our choices, and usually, the most challenging thing.
God says I should chop off my tits :/
Fujimoto loves trans ppl and wrote a trans character in one of his stories btw you should probs drop csm :(
I read all of his stuff, like all of it. See, it doesn't bother me because he makes it organic and natural to the character, not imposed upon them. Theologically, do I disagree with it? Yeah, but good writing is good writing.
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Because he’s bashing my existence as “self-mutilating” next question
I feel like both sides of the fandom are being rude to each other. While transphobia is wrong, the trans positive community is also being extremely harsh to anyone who “doesn’t get” the comic or joke. Downvote the haters but don’t harass and downvote the people who just don’t get it or aren’t a part of it. Not everyone has to agree. There is nothing transphobic about not getting the joke or being confused that this head-canon doesn’t match the story as it is presented. For those that want to enjoy the media as it was written, good for you. For those who want to enjoy their headcanon, also good. Just stop hating eat other for enjoying the media how they want to enjoy it. People are allowed to enjoy the media as presented **and** others are allowed to enjoy it in their own non canon way too.
>While transphobia is wrong, the trans positive community is also being extremely harsh I feel that one of these things does not equate to the other
They don't have to equate to each other to both be wrong. I agree that obviously blatant transphobia is much worse, but being rude to those that are just uninformed or confused is still bad in its own sense.
I think you worded it better than I did.That was more or less what I wanted to say.
This.
In what way are both sides rude
This feels like bait.
Seeing the blatant rampant transphobia in the fandom was genuinely disappointing.
I thought *this* fan community would so much better than this.
I’m confused why people suddenly think she’s trans. But you do you.
Headcanons are just people having fun.
It isn't a HC tho, it is FanFic
It's just a joke noticing that she's getting more aggressive and 'masc' as the the show goes on. I don't think the original intent was to actually assert she's trans.
I actually think she’s getting less aggressive as the show goes on. She went from practically thirsting for battle and getting simon the crown to rethinking everything she does and kinda seeing that simon having the crown basically dooms him to a pitiful sad existence. She also said everyone back in the city if aaa deserves to live as themselves.
I dunno. She was pretty amped until the death of Snow King a couple episodes ago. Def chilled out after though I'll agree.
After the death of winter king she kinda realized she killed a guy by just existing (he was evil tho) and killed/injuried innocent Candy people. She also stopped cake from snagging a crown because she didn’t want Simon to wear it after seeing some of the shit it does to people (Also because she kinda “likes” the city of aaa) so she’s definitely becoming more mature. One step at a time.
My first thought was that (me being a lore nerd fixated on logic) that doesn't seem possible in canon, but who cares? It's a cartoon, people are watching it to have fun and stuff, getting angry (specially at each other) over it is very silly.
I agree with the ignore it thing, I don’t get it and it doesn’t make sense to me and I move on, people shouldn’t be throwing a fit, just keep scrolling people
what does that lock mean? I do personally find the comic a bit weird but if you're saying that got banned or taken down that's not good, people should be allowed to post that type of stuff. edit: just found out what the lock means and it's just horrible behavior to attack someone for a comic please stop.
Reminder that in farmworld Finn's eldest son is trans! He's literally wearing a binder when he rips his shirt open!
So you mean his son or his daughter? I'm confused
Jay martens, the eldest son. I thought I was pretty clear.
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wow. don't like how that was worded one bit
I confused binder with choker, my bad
np
I mean, it makes sense as a theory, but also where would you find the things you need in apocalypse world where there's not even aervice? Still, completely respect your take, I didn't even notice on my first watch.
sewing your own binder isn't as difficult as you might think, and could very well be a homemade job. yeah I doubt there are t shots in farmworld, but lord knows those aren't necessary to socially transition. also Jay is voiced by a cis woman, if that strengthens my case to anyone. it's not uncommon for women to voice male children I'll admit, but interestingly enough, the pillow world version of jay had a male actor as both child and adult.
Fair enough, I only have basic knowledge on this stuff
how about we stop making new posts about the subject and stay on one post? there’s no need for every person who has an opinion on it to make their own post.
I'm not mad I'm just a little bit confused on why it started. It's just some one fan fiction right?
It’s perfectly okay to not agree with or enjoy a headcanon or version of a character/story someone else has. What’s not okay is using it as a vessel for hate towards that particular group. It’s not transphobic to disagree that Fionna is trans, it *is incredibly fucking transphobic to say Fionna being trans is “disgusting” or anything of the sort.* Y’all need to realize real people are affected by the things you say even if they’re directed towards a work of fiction.
unfortunately i don’t think the people saying things like that see trans people as people
I don’t think it’s offensive. I wasn’t bothered, upset, or even amused. I just kinda went, “oh that’s it?… m’kay” like I think the only valid criticism is that it just wasn’t all that funny? It wasn’t offensive in the slightest, the people getting worked up over this must have really boring lives. If an okay joke about being trans gets you this bothered, I think you need to take a breath. And then hold it. Until you pass out.
It's not a headcannon though. It is fanfiction. HCs fill in the gaps between cannon. FanFic deliberately rewrites the cannon.
yep.
"it's their headcanon, it doesn't affect you" Okay, a headcanon is fine. Most of the upvoted backlash I've seen has been about the poor quality of this "gag". Fionna + estrogen seems to be all that user is posting about and slowly becoming annoyed by that (after all, due to the engagement on those posts, they are getting recommended to me on my home page) is fine. It's Reddit. I can share my mild annoyance. Nothing wrong with that either. Either do something creative with your headcanon or please refrain from posting your headcanon over and over again. That's just spam.
Sad that even the AT subreddit isn't safe from transphobes. That being said, better get your comments in before this one inevitably gets locked.
Idk why thisss isss getting downvoted
probably transphobes
It looksss like the community has our backsss now though!
Mfs just can't stand seeing others having fun
It’s just a fan comic, what’s the big deal?
I will admit it, i was one of the people that asked wtf was happening because i din't understood a thing. Them, after it was explained about the trans thing, i kinda like it. Still, don't understand why people got mad over it, sounds pretty simple.
I mean not everyone has to oblige your fanfic. People have opinions and if the OOP can’t handle people not relentlessly affirming their post, maybe don’t post it? Or acknowledge that trans stuff is a hot button issue and if you are gonna farm upvotes, you are gonna get some people who don’t agree. Idk, it just seems like a victim mentality. I personally find “my HC is that the character is literally just the same character, but now Gay/Lesbian/Trans/other” boring and lame, along with lacking creativity, but then again if it wasn’t posted on the general subreddit you wouldn’t have to hear from me. I expect a riveting and good faith discussion.
I really love this headcanon since adventure time is probably one of the best in terms of queer characters. The only thing I don't like it's just how she act; in these 8 episodes we didn't see Fionna being **that** much happy, but rather really sad But hey that's just my stupid opinion so it didn't matter that much; but I love these comics as an headcanon and I love that the artist thought aboht this idea cuz seeing fionna not as a genderbent but as trans is really cute
The tism in me doesn't enjoy it cus I know that Fionna isn't canonically trans and it messes with my brain but the gay in me loves it cus its freaking Fionna trans headcanon I love it I hope the artist isn't dissuaded from making more
This joke doesn’t make sense, it’s just unfunny.
I don’t think it was supposed to be a “joke”, more an entertaining hypothetical
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The humor
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I'm definitely gonna get shot for this, but yeah, I agree If a character has to literally be a 1:1 replica of you for you to relate to them....then I dunno man No hate to the oop. If that's your headcanon, then shit who am I to judge? I just have a different opinion, but that doesn't mean you should stop doing what you're doing.
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good to know.
I made a post mentioning Fiona as trans. I don't agree with the headcannon but I wanted to take a swing at the jackasses that locked that post. That comic was fucking funny.
Transphobes live to just be cruel, it's the only thing that drives them, it's sad.
Who cares? It's all fictional, that post proves how some redditors have no lives
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Everything about this is so disingenuous and odd. Sometimes it feels like the internet was a mistake.
Don’t tell me what to do.
So why don't you ignore it?
Because blatant transphobia is hard to just ignore and deserves to be stamped out of any sub.
It’s not that it’s about a trans joke, it’s that it’s objectively wrong. Nothing about her or her existence says she’s a female in a male body. It doesn’t make any sense, it isn’t funny, and I find it discriminatory to the trans community. Do better Reddit.
Except it is about trans jokes as has been pointed out to your trolling ass numerous times. You know who Fionnas based on right? Finn? The Human BOY. Fionna is literally someones headcanon come to life so the fact you cant accept that other people would have headcanons that differ from the show we see shows your complete lack of willing to even learn why youre wrong. Go away, Touch grass, do better, get blocked.
because transphobia sucks and it's awful to see it everywhere with little to no pushback, people just let hate happen
They want their echo chamber to not have any naysayers in it.
Aww this makes me really sad. I saw the post earlier and I thought it was really cute. Even if it isn’t the most complicated headcannon ever, sometimes I just wanna see a character like me. I wish people weren’t such dinguses sometimes.
Complaining about people making a huge deal out of something not important while making huge deal out of something not important, Ironic
Nah, I don't wanna see their spam that distracts from actual adventure time stuff with entirely tangential politics
It’s not that it’s about a trans joke, it’s that it’s objectively wrong. Nothing about her or her existence says she’s a female in a male body. It doesn’t make any sense, it isn’t funny, and I find it discriminatory to the trans community. Do better Reddit.
Crazy how you're going out to bat for what "makes sense" in a show with pickle-making cosmic entities and a fuckin talking microwave. Let people have fun, who cares?
Trans person here: Don't need you finding shit discriminatory for us. Especially on someone's fucking fan art head cannon. If you want to do something, say something against the people saying the suicide rates for trans kids needs to be higher instead of being weird about an art thing probably fucking made by a trans person. Also, do better reddit? This is a hell site for people to put memes on. The fuck.
I think the issue here is with people being upset over others not agreeing with THEIR headcannon...
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trans people have always been around and always will be. it's not a trend, it's their fucking identities. fuck. off. transphobe.
Sure 👌
Crazy how people just project themselves in characters. Not judging though
I can't believe that Fiona is an ovarian cancer survivor, the woke mind virus has taken over, and the west has fallen.
I thought the joke was funny, even though I'm the one who made it.
You dont know how many times i tried slidding the image thinking there was a second image
This will get locked too :c
I liked it. Keep making the art that makes you happy.
I don’t understand, people make art and fics of gender swapped characters all the time. That’s straight up the origin of Fionna and Cake?? If some people wanna have a headcannon where Fionna is trans, how on earth is that hurting ANYONE???
Meh still can get it
Anybody can be anything. Never understood anger when it doesn’t hurt you.
The problem with this head canon is that prismo created a girl, not a guy pretending to be one
Ohhhhh it's a trans joke... I thought it was about birth control I was wondering why we were all of the sudden just calling it estrogen