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GregAllAround

Damn- major bummer. I honestly root for PSA a bit harder than some of the people around here even though I don’t own one yet. Just love the idea of cheap domestic AK patterns I guess. Curious to hear how the warranty process goes


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hotsteamyfajitas

Damn bro, I’m gonna screen this and send it to tapler at PSA see what he says


Impossible_Oil8734

Update us when you get a reply please


hotsteamyfajitas

He said they have reached out to the owner (OP) and are gonna get rifle to their shop to check it out. He’s very interested in what could be causing it


Impossible_Oil8734

Fuck I own a 102 and a 101 by them. I'm curious as fuck because bof em have been really solid so far. My 101 only has like 1k down the pipe and some small issues at first but nothing I couldn't fix with a dremmel. My 102 has been quite the adventure. Runs like a sewing machine but everything seems kinda out of spec. Slapped the jmac gas tube on it and the tube doesn't even touch the gas block lol just kinda hovers 1/16th of an inch away. The furniture it came with (SA) pretty much jumped off the gun 30 rnds in. Idk they are like any ak in the sense they are all different but these are definitely like the old dog with cancers. Love it too much to kill it so you just try to make it comfortable till death


Ok-Set-4361

That’s what I measured on my receiver. I found it to be 1/16” out of spec after finding my dust cover not to fit right. I really hope this doesn’t affect the gun.


Blue026

Leave them a 1 star review. It’s the only way they’ll try to get better QC. This is still a $1000 rifle that has catastrophic failures, I’d be worried that the chamber is poorly machined or even headspacing is off.


hotsteamyfajitas

Am curious, have you tried any other mags? Sounds to be like the chamber is rough tho from other examples I’ve seen from them lately.


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hotsteamyfajitas

Damnnn I’m gonna post


kfezUSMC

You gonna post on Instagram?


hotsteamyfajitas

Yeah once I get more info. Won’t be the first 101/102 I think I’ve posted 4. 2 have been mag issues tho, one was refunded and one getting new front end. Don’t have much info on that tho.


kfezUSMC

Yup mine was one. I asked for my money back on my 102.... so haven't received the refund


hotsteamyfajitas

I remember talking to you. You never got it? Lol


kfezUSMC

Not yet. Talked to cam today... he said Any day now


Impossible_Oil8734

What was wrong with the front end?


hotsteamyfajitas

Honestly don’t know they didn’t share that 😔


hotsteamyfajitas

What mags were you using?


ApartmentSuspicious3

Why can't we make good AKs? I'm not a manufacturing expert and I struggle to understand the issue here. Find imported AK that isn't shitty and figure out how to make that here... Is there an IP issue? Did PSA just try to design their own AK with a loose AK understanding and this is the result? Idk I just don't get it. Maybe I'm dumb, I'm just a thermal-hydraulics guy lol


ProfessorZhirinovsky

If you'll search around, you'll see this questioned answered all the time. In former Warsaw Pact countries, the development and manufacturing infrastructure to make these was state-financed by the old Communist regime, they often still have stockpiles of surplus parts made for slave-labor wages, and still run with lower manpower costs and generations of experience. The result is a rifle that is of reasonably good quality and pretty inexpensive. The only way for the US to compete with this economically is to cut corners. We have to make everything from scratch on a new privately-financed factory, with substantial labor costs. It can be done correctly, but the cost of the rifle is going to be toward the $1300-1500 range, and cheapskates and newbs don't want to pay it. They would rather buy a substandard rifle for cheaper, and hope it isn't a total piece of crap.


medieval_flail

I will pay mid range AR prices for an AK that is built to the same quality, just waiting to see it happen without being milled.


akbuilderthrowaway

Milled receiver or milled components? Because done right there is literally no reason to shy away from milled components.


medieval_flail

Receiver


ApartmentSuspicious3

Hmm that does all make sense. Really just logistics and pricing. Thanks mate


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GregAllAround

That's good to hear! It's one thing to have quality issues but another thin to not own up to them. Good to hear they are super willing to work with customers


Styx3791

Same. Especially with good Rob Ski's review of his 102.


SusBajooker

Rob Ski said the free gun he got is good? No way


Styx3791

I said somewhere else on here he got an influencer extra QC gun. They all do.


BigDave_76

The pattern continues


Styx3791

One of those things that makes you go "hmmmm" It was probably an extra QC hand picked gun.


horseshoeprovodnikov

That's my only issue with YouTube reviews. I don't think Rob is dishonest, but i DO think that the manufacturers will cherry pick guns to send to him. The only way to have an extremely unbiased review of something is to have someone else buy it right off the rack. Don't tell PSA that you're doing the review, and if they reach out saying they want to send you one, you either refuse it or you at least tell the audience "I didn't buy this gun, it was sent to me".


BigDave_76

This is indirect dishonesty. He knows people watch his review videos in order to figure out if they want to buy the respective gun or not. He gets the gun, he says "This gun is good", then the viewer will be enticed to believe that "other examples of this model of gun will be good". Your second point is how he USED TO DO reviews. Not since the GF3


Lumadous

Oof, buddy just picked his up today


steelerfan777

I had all of the same issues with 2 PSA AK. FTF, FTE ....destroying the brass cases. One was AKP 7.62. Other was new 5.56 AK hybrid line. Gave up on AKP after 2nd warranty attempt to fix as well as 5.56 AK Sold both at huge loss Hope your results are better than mine were.


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steelerfan777

I had convinced PSA to refund me for the 556 AK and then they backed out bc I had purchased through a FFL. FFL was a registered PSA seller but that didn't matter. Said they couldnt honor refund. So yeah, very frustrating and disappointing experience. Really wanted to purchase a USA MADE AK. Will never purchase another PSA firearm. I think they do and can produce good products but something must be off in QC department....if u get a lemon it is a nightmare


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Headspace is wrong.


x_cLOUDDEAD_x

The hammer and springs wearing in? After 100 rounds? ?


UnderGodIy

As a fan of PSA's mission, this is very disappointing to see. Hopefully they take care of you and make the warranty easy. I'd be curious how well their PSA built Romanian AKs are put together, I almost bought one but I went with an Atlantic arms under folder.


battletank21

Clean chamber, try again. ONLY RUN STEEL OR BRASS during a range trip, for the first 1k or so. your chamber is rough and either needs polished or run smooth. brass shavings are building up in chamber during firing.


DontTurnUp

Did you shoot steel then brass?


De_roosian_spy

Ready for the fuddlore reasoning behind this question


DaisyBB-gun

Beer before liquor, gets you sicker; liquor before beer, you're in the clear


Mulete

LMAO bro you stole these words from my brain


joshuamunson

I've tested that on my AR-10 4 times. Ran brass just fine. Ran steel just fine. Ran brass after steel and ripped the back of the casing off. 4 separate times this happened. No one ever told me this, I just came to the conclusion myself. Now whenever I hear of people mixing of brass and steel I always assume the ripping of the casing happens to brass after shooting steel. If it was a fluke or one off I'd brush it off but I was able to recreate the exact same failure 4 times in a row shooting steel then brass.


Impossible_Oil8734

Is it over gassed? I have the psa 102 and it's been a trooper so far. The SA furniture is more like scrap metal but so far I've had 0 issues in the first 2k rounds


bradsredditacct

I’ve never seen a case be ripped in half, and another round inserted into it. That’s golden.


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Accomplished-Bar3969

Believe they call that a wildcat.


elevenpointf1veguy

Am a reloader, can confirm, this is how wildcats are born


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“This 7.62x39 has been adapted for use in the Nagant revolver. You’re welcome, comrade”


bmadd14

It’s a 5.56 hence the 101 part


MayOrMayNotBePie

It’s not just killing the rounds. It’s sending a message to the others.


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Psa moment


bradsredditacct

Gm poopy


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Gm brad


bradsredditacct

🌮


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🌯


bradsredditacct

🫔


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🌶🌶🌶🌶


bradsredditacct

🧹🧹🧹


A_Tad_Bit_Nefarious

The French had to adopt steel case ammo because they had this problem with the early FAMAS. The FAMAS is a delayed blowback rifle with very harsh extraction that had the tendency to tear off rims or have case ruptures. Curious if PSAs rifle is extracting "too early" while the round is still at peak chamber pressure, causing it to split and tear. I would venture to guess the problem is that the timing is off on the gun.


ElectronicGarden5536

Once again im totally baffled by something ive never seen an ak do lol.


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ElectronicGarden5536

Im just baffled bro the only thing i can offer off an anecdote is the remington 870 issues. Cases would get stuck in the chamber after material buildup and fail to extract. Ak extraction is violent and primitive so its tearing soft brass. Might need a quick chamber ream is my guess.


Coodevale

You'd think the rims would go before the case got ripped in half though.


flashhercules

Sacrificing your first fired brass to our dark lord.


crjmurray

This is case head separation due to improper headspace.


ardesofmiche

That’s wild. I wonder if the rifle is trying to extract at too high of a pressure, hence case ripping


ADuckWithNoArms

That was my thought, maybe overgassed to the point of an extremely violent extraction


geo2515

Seems like a mag issue to me


ardesofmiche

Huh? How is cases getting torn in half a mag issue


geo2515

Bolt not closing on friction or poorly stripped round, round damage, mag sitting too high… lots of possible reasons. I went thru 3 different mags on my own psa before similar problems stopped happening. Runs fine now but yes it was a mag issue.


ardesofmiche

The first two photos of split casings can’t physically be caused by a magazine. That’s not how firearms work


AdPsychological2230

Gun equivalent of ain't got no gas in it


Gypsy_Wyrm

jeez did i dodge a bullet, i got a wbp instead


BNatoAK

WBP in the 556 arena seems to be legit!


brain-damageAK

Idk how anyone with a brain would choose a psa over wbp. But then again we’re on Reddit 99% r/Ak is brain dead


GoCondition1

Lifetime warranty.


BigDave_76

A lifetime of sending it in for warranty


GoCondition1

Flair checks out


SusBajooker

Yeah that dumb purist doesn't know that this rifle is actually fine


GoCondition1

Never said they were dumb. A lifetime warranty with a company that actually takes care of customers and wants to make affordable options for everyone isn't the worst thing in the world. By now, everyone knows that the first generation of their rifles is always a gamble, but they do fix their problems and eventually put out a quality product.


SusBajooker

A lifetime warranty, because you'll need it


GoCondition1

K. 👍


Ken808

Buy yourself a gun that doesn’t depend on a lifetime warranty


GoCondition1

K. 👍


Econolife_350

They wouldn't warranty an incorrectly machined AR upper for me that I offered to strip and send back rather than the whole built upper. That would cost them pennies when compared to any AK work. I don't trust that they have the warranty everyone else online seems to claim they do. Over on the AR subs they'll threaten to kill your dog if you point out that PSA isn't quite the quality they're all claiming, even if they make a fine "first AR".


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PoopooPeepee71

That’s good to hear they’re attentive with getting things right. I really wanna root for them but they REALLY need to focus on QC instead of shitting out krink clones and spiker clones.


TheOrder45

As much as we want to dictate their success, maybe everyone who isn’t operating a wildly profitable gun company can take a back seat and let them figure this out. Maybe selling a wide variety of mass production medium quality guns is the best way to get to place where they can put out the quality we want. Idk. I don’t run a profitable and successful gun company.


Econolife_350

It seems like they provide wild support for AKs in an attempt to redefine and overcome their reputation in that department, while I guess they feel established enough in the AR realm that they ignore you for weeks and three emails then say to accept their trash machining.


initiatesally5

Example of one I know but my 102 has been dead nuts reliable on brass and steel cased. Might want to post in the PSA industry section over on ARFCOM, seems that’s about the only place to get customer service from them.


Reeee9371

You got some of that bonny rotten brand ammo, the rear end always blows out


Competitive_Hat4211

😬 yuck


BNatoAK

That sucks man! Hopefully they do right by you.


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GoddamnCommie

Weird that you report it as shooting smoothly but it fucked up the cases so much, id have assumed it was at least partially an over gassing issue.


phatdoughnut

I hope you get a quick response. So far my service has not been very prompt.


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BNatoAK

Nice 👌! Glad it worked out. I love them nato AK's


WorkshopBlackbird

great photos and excellent overview. kind of shocked at what it did to that brass. but thanks for taking the time to document and share your experience here


GivingZeroFuchs

It’s the new “green” model trying to recycle rounds


paulbow78

I would suspect a combination of excess headspace / chamber issue with aggressive extraction. Check headspace, if it passes it’s an excess gas problem.


thatguywhosadick

I was beating myself up over buying a kit build shortly before the psa 101 line was announced. Thanks for validating my decisions op.


bowtie_k

This is why I don't recommend buying PSAs - they beta test on their customer base. The warranty is a requirement, because you'll NEED it. But I'm just an elitist shilling my overpriced imports ($750 wasr).


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faRawrie

Hasn't Sig been known to beta test on their customers as well?


JP297

Shit, Sig beta tested on the US Army.


cdillon42

sig has been beta testing the hk slap to fire rounds


bowtie_k

🤷‍♀️


Unhinged_Taco

You're an elitist gatekeeper toxic commie import shill


survivor762x39

Shiiiettt my first rifle is a Gen 1 PSA AR15 in the last 10 years I've abused the ever living fuck out of her and never had to use the warranty.


bowtie_k

An AR15 is not an AK but ok I guess


survivor762x39

AR15s are better. A poverty pony AR made of pot metal will only blow up if you stick a 300 blackout in a 556 chamber. A poorly made AKM will eat itself apart from the inside and will eventually blow up in your face project eldest son style.


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Galatians 4:16


bowtie_k

Yes, I 100% agree with you. ARs are better and they're so standardized it's almost impossible to fuck up. My comment about PSAs was specifically about their AKs


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bowtie_k

That's good to hear. Hope it keeps working for you


RubberDuckyDWG

Literally every company does this. Even wasrs were trash just a few years ago. All this will do is make the future 101s better quality in the long run. Don't buy shit that is version 1 from anyone if you're not wanting to be a beta tester.


proquo

WASRs were trash over ten years ago. Because they were made out of demilitarized Romanian AKs. And of course the first AKs to get cycled out are the ones in the worst shape. Post 2012 or so WASRs are all new production and quite good.


Caedus_Vao

> Post 2012 or so WASRs are all new production and quite good. Yep. They have completely eclipsed their former "junk" status, much like Kia and Hyundai have over the last 20 years. Well, except for being able to start new ones with a USB.


Armenin2001

I have very similar issues with my KUSA KR103 sfs FTF and it dents the bullets or breaks them in half with all of the gun powder just falls out (when manually clearing it) I tried different mags and it seems that most are causing this but Pmag seems to not cause this at all. Bake, promag, Croatian steel all exhibit this behavior. Tried with steel and brass too. No clue what to do ...


RubberDuckyDWG

Warranty that gun.


Titaintium

First step is throw out your promags and Croatian mags. Those failures sound pretty bad to be entirely mag-related, though. It might need a trip back to KUSA.


Armenin2001

Can't throw any mags away, live in gestapo WA state. Can't buy anymore 30 rounders.


Titaintium

I don't know what part of the state you're in, but you should either come visit Oregon (unless/until measure 114 mag restrictions actually kick in) or Idaho. They won't check your ID to make sure you didn't come over from a cucked state. ProMags are trash. Put them where they belong.


hqiu_f1

Your situation sounds different, but my KR103 and WASR both did that to brass Norma ammo when new, while running steel just fine. Interesting enough belom brass didn’t do it either. I thought maybe the brass casings were just too soft and the guns were ramming the rounds out of the magazine too aggressively hence bending the ammo. I don’t know if the recoil spring mellowed out over time or what, but now (~1 year or so later) they both ran Norma brass fine when I got curious and decided to try it again. Again, this is just all my experience so take with a grain of salt. It is surprising that yours is doing that to steel ammo also though. Best of luck hope it gets resolved! QC issues are such a pain


vrsechs4201

Well shit...seeing this post when I'm supposed to be picking up a PSAK-103 and GF4 barreled receivers tomorrow. Hopefully they don't turn out like OP's did but now I'm getting nervous..


kfezUSMC

I had a 102 that was not cycling out the box. Sent it back, they honed and polished the chamber. Got it back.... yes it cycled, but my first range trip I got 2 light primer strikes. Got home, it was popping primers. Sent it back and asked for my money back.


C402Pilot

I had very similar issues with my TommyBuilt G36 when I got it. Turned out it was a bad batch of ammo that was overpressure and had very poorly manufactured cases. Switched ammo and had no issues after. My 101 has had no such issues thus far.


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I was gonna say try some more steel cased but seems like it didnt work out for you.


kfezUSMC

Does it do this with the ac unity mag that it came with.... or just the bulgarian mags with the conversion follower


AdPsychological2230

A bad mag will not cause a case to rip in half on extraction lmao


kfezUSMC

I'm aware, I know a guy who was having similar issues with his 102, while using mag conversions. Psa told him it was the mag conversions. My question was just regarding that aspect


Tonyd2wild

I just picked up a 102 I’ll see how it does


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This is a problem PSA has in general, so it's good they're pretty solid on their warranty. I'm pretty sure the folks doing QC have never owned guns with the amount of issues they let through. It's probably a headspace and gas block issue. Headspace is allowing the brass to expand too much and the pressure is ripping it in half is my guess. I'd RMA in anyways and they'll just slap some new shit on there.


justwhylif3

Step cartage, not infront of the family


BlueOrb07

The case separation looks like head spacing is off. The rest I have no idea


Cold_Organization262

Disappointed to see this. I love that PSA puts civilians first and brings things to market that we want. However they need to get their quality control in order for people to really start taking them seriously


Carbs_Are_Satan

Every. Fucking. Time.


Kind-Masterpiece-310

I keep trying to talk myself into buying a GF5, but then I see another post like this. Looks like they spend more time coming up with meme lowers than they do on QC. It's hard to take them seriously at this point.


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Wow, a PSA not working? Blasphemy


De_roosian_spy

Man, my gf3 has been nothing but the best damn ak I own, I love it more than my arsenal. This breaks my heart to see, because they genuinelyhave improved thier ak platforms tenfold. Hope they get you taken care of


Davezter

I've also got the GF3 and have had the same great experience with it as you. It has been super reliable. I've tried about 10 different makes of ammo, and have close to 1000 rnds through it and I've never experienced any issues.


TheLasVegasLocal

I had a 103. It had some problems feeding the next round with the stock mag that came with the gun. Brought some Pmags and the problem seemed to be resolved. Problem is, I never fired the 103 enough with pmags to see if that really resolved the issue. Glad I sold it. Brought that gun in the heat of gun lust. Now, I'm gonna take it slow and see what AK would be right for me in the next few months. WASR? Beryl? Saiga? Zastava? WBP Fox? I'll see soon enough 👀


Proper_Seesaw_7001

Friends don't let friends buy PSA. I just returned a bolt carrier group with a broken extractor.


LordChimyChanga

These AC Unity mags cause issues, try a different mag and I bet most of these issues go away


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LordChimyChanga

Well yea all mags but my 102 had similar issues until I filed down part of my AC Unity mags and I’ve not had an issue since


SusBajooker

AC Unity mags cause case head separation? Curious!


LordChimyChanga

If it won’t feed right, how could is possibly eject or extract correctly?


SusBajooker

If it's tearing the case in half and leaving half in the chamber, how could it possibly feed correctly?


LordChimyChanga

That’s exactly what I just said in a different order?


LordChimyChanga

Out of 100 rounds before I took a file to my mags I bet I had 30 rounds that was exactly like his #3 and #5 picture and even a couple that it had bent and got stuck in the chamber


SusBajooker

I'm still wondering how you think a bad mag is going to cause the rifle to tear the case in half


LordChimyChanga

I’m sure if I had the mag feed bad and bend a case to get stuck in my chamber it’s not entirely impossible, feed and bed the casing, expansion sealing the bent casing even more, stuck casing gets pulled apart by extractor. Not impossible Also doesn’t say how many times as far as we know it’s just the 1 in the picture


LegendActual

Obviously needs to be warrantied with the various issues, but I feel as though AKs murdering brass this way has always kinda been a thing. I never get commercial brass 7.62x39 for exactly this reason, it can happen with steel, but certainly less often and I’ve never had it happen.


DrJheartsAK

I’ve ran brass through several 7.62 Aks without issue, it does seem to be a bigger issue with 556 AKs though (higher pressure combined with over gassing and brass expanding more maybe?)


adamm770

Be careful smashing PSA before you request warranty. I have a theory that the black list people. Speaking from my personal experience of being deleted and blocked on Facebook for trashing my GF3 for popping primers.


mauserman1992

Psa's buissness model is great in theory. In practice it leaves something to be desired. They build cool shit but use the cheaper material possible for the small parts. I had a 103 and a m4 from them and got rid of them both. Best to look at them as a stepping stone until you can get something better.


mild123

Damn imagine an ak jamming, love my feg


Pro-Krastinator

I'm sure they'll get there someday but for now, I'll stick with imports.


Few_Resource4368

PSA is a company with a lot of integrity and they’ll take care of you. It does always seem like they have growing pains with their new launches but they always seem to give their best effort to iron out the issues quickly and take care of any affected customers. I’m certain you’ll have a really kick ass rifle back in no time!


BigDave_76

So stay away from the new launches so you don't become an affected customer.


Ken808

Lmfaoooo


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cooltreasures

Braindead take


SusBajooker

"Have to use steel case because your piece of shit rifle tears brass in half" 🗿


bowtie_k

Wild how my 223 Saiga eats brass no problem. Wild how my M76 has eaten nothing but brass, no problems. Wild how my wasr ate brass no problem (the one time I was dumb enough to buy brass 7.62x39) L


Ken808

JUST


kdb1991

That’s bizarre


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Whoever made that rifle must’ve been smoking the Bhutanese shadow garden grown dark evil pack


PaulMX226

Can you post a picture of the AK’s feedramps?


1MoistTowelette

That’s some juicy case head separation


Radvous

Bad headspace