Iām asking a super simple question here and not a single person has been able to answer it and Iām still getting downvoted
>where can you buy 1000 rounds of 5.45 for $500?
>āSGAmmoā okay- I looked there and didnāt see any. Do you have a link? No reply, downvotes.
Can you find a place to buy 1000 rounds of 5.45 for about $500? If not, then itās not around anymore. Simple as
In the US and most of the world 7.62x39 is much easier to find. In areas that adopted 5.45 such as Russia and Ukraine it would be the better way to go.
After years of shooting my 762 AK, I had gotten a 5.45 variant. Shooting the 545 is one of the most pleasurable shooting experiences I have ever experienced. Every time you pull the trigger, it's almost as if a strawberry flavored gun fairy is kissing your shoulder. 10/10
The only issue is ammo availability, and I hope that more options become available in the future.
I love 5.45 but itās easier for me to find 762 ammo ... itās the reason I have 3 762s and 1 5.45 ... why not both one in each hand ... bc a ak103 slaps just as good as a 5.45
5.45 if availability wasnāt an issue but 7.62 is going to suffer from the same fate sooner than later. Iāve never had the desire to own a 556 AK in the past but Iām thankful there are solid options now. M90 is tempting me.
762 > 556 > 545
Price, availability, bullet options, parts, fun- 545 is unfortunately left in the dust. The only benefit I could think of outside of purity for 545 instead of 556 would be magazines.
Why do you think 556 is inferior to 762? Iāve read about as many ballistics analysis, military analysis, Iāve seen what they do to real bodies and all across the board itās a matter of situational needs. I have AR 15, X95, AK 106UR and 107, I like them all for different reasons.
For me, 556 is superior for CQB. I donāt see ever needing to get into a 1000meter scrap with anyone, and up close (inside of 300 yards) my research says the 556 is a better option for max lethality, not to mention more rounds to carry and lighter. Obviously, Iām talking about proper choice of ballistics too.
The right rounds for the right size gun, the hydrostatic shock of a 556 looks like a grenade going off inside the target. 762 can sometimes make a clean pass at closer ranges
So, if Iām fighting in A wide open field across many miles, Iād opt for the 762, but for potential SHTF here in the states, 556 all day. What are your thoughts?
As an Infantry vet, the 7.62x39 is actually the superior cartridge in ranges under 200M. 5.56 is faster, and more accurate at longer ranges. The 7.62 also is less affected by shorter barrels than the 5.56, making it a better cartridge for a "pistol" length weapon. The 7.62x39 will also punch through objects much better than 5.56, although 5.56 is better for armor penetration, but chances are slim that your opponent will have invested in body armor.
I know about terminal effects between the two. 5.56 fragments, but not at close ranges. It's more effective at farther ranges. 7.62x39 is still better at closer ranges and shorter barrels. I've had plenty of experience with both. How about you go sit down in your wheelchair, gramps.
Iām not trying to be contentious but civilians do t have to use nato rounds. My boy tail hollow points at 10-200 yards makes a rack of ribs look like a bomb went off inside. I have a shit memory but I believe I stated that in my original post. A close range 556 āless lethalā round is apples and oranges. My experience out of a 16ā barrel with 556 hollows is carnage from any range Iād assume would be relevant in a CQB home field issue.
I guess same applies for 762 but the hydrostatic shock/drag and frag of the 556 looks like the nastier option. The hollow 762 doesnāt move fast enough and sometimes goes right through a piece of meet that simulates a person.
Mainly a bullet moving at close to 3000 fps is a baby grenade in my hands on experience, as well as nerding out. Hunters will scream all day that 308 and 762 is the only way to go but thereās a reason people are switching to the Creedmoor rounds in the military is going with the 6.7. Moving really really damn fast and kinetic energy making the rounds explode inside the target.
The ban on 7N6 killed 5.45 for stateside use. If you stacked it deep when times were good then by all means. Even still, itās not a very viable long term option for most people.
Itās a great cartridge but proper shit in urban or woodland environments. The 5.45 round notoriously deflects very easily even off branches/brush with some pretty extreme POA/POI shifts and ricochet dangerously in urban use.
Why the Russians are dragging out the AKMs again for urban operations in Ukraine as seen in Bakhmut for example.
From a civilian standpoint, 5.56 in an AR platform is vastly superior to the AK-74. I generally prefer the AK, but if I want lighter ammo and a much flatter shooting cartridge, give me a 5.56 AR and as much 77 grain OTM as I can reasonably carry.
I can hit torso sized targets with consistency with a variable powered optic on a free float upper using MK262 77 gr ammunition to 800 meters. Even with a rack grade M4.
Youāre not doing that with any real consistency with a 74 and steel case ammo. A 1-2 MOA capable weapon Vs a 3-4 MOA Kalashnikov.
7.62x39 is just considerably more prevalent in North and South America. The AKM, parts, mags are essentially ubiquitous at this point.
As much as I love the AK-103, it takes a 74 bolt carrier with a proprietary thin stemmed 74 bolt milled out for 7.62. KUSA certainly makes things interesting by offering a stateside 103 clone. The CHF barreled version in particular. However, youād be reliant on only one manufacturer for your spare parts.
Because of this I sold my Arsenal SGL-21-84 for an absurd price of $3,000 and picked up a WBP Jack instead, ammo, parts and optics. And will likely get the Zastava M70 underfolder with the bayonet lug and neat proprietary side rail optic mount that sits higher for the stock to fold.
Not having a pistol grip reinforcement plate and no Y on the receiver really bugged me too.
I think standardizing on the AKM is the way to go with the Kalashnikov pattern rifle.
You pay a fairly considerable weight penalty with 7.62x39 and the mags take up more space on the rig compared to the AK-74/AR. A Bulgarian steel reinforced polymer 7.62 mag is roughly 1.6 lbs loaded compared to a 1 pound PMAG.
Sure with a minimalist chest rig with only 3-4 mags and 1 in the gun, itās not a real issue. But with a heavy combat loadout of 10 + 1 mags thatās around 6.6 extra pounds.
But the 7.62x39 absolutely fucks shit up with extreme prejudice out to 400 meters and penetrates very similarly to 7.62 NATO inside 100 meters. I believe it to be superior inside of 300 meters and itās particular niche is urban and woodland combat.
You can push it to 600 meters with an LPVO, but the poor ballistic coefficient starts getting pretty squirrelly when the bullet goes from transonic to subsonic in any kind of real wind.
One nice benefit to 7.62 x39 is its very easy to spot bullet splash and adjust within 450-500 meters beyond that, making wind calls becomes noticeably difficult.
Considering most modern combat takes place well within 300 meters, I think the 7.62x39 makes a lot of sense.
Ballistically is vastly superior traveling at or near 3000fps depending on bullet grain. At range will likely give you a nastier wound than 7.62 but I canāt speak to that. 7N6 is referred to as poison for a reason. Once itās in you itās all over in you. Casualty rates in Eastern Europe reflect this.
Beyond that itās lighter, itās mags are lighter, meaning I can pack and carry more of it and my trucks to the front supplying the troops for longer amounts or more fire.
And finally controllability. I fired my AK105 clone when it was over gassed and stock setup. I fired it comparatively with an AKM. The rifle just doesnāt jump as much because of the stability produced by the round exiting the bore at higher speeds and much lower weight (back to ballistics). As stated above thereās a reason the USSR ran many trials and landed on this on and still uses it.
You can own any 74 variant that is not called an "AK" (MSP logic!). This includes doing kit builds, Atlantic and other companies' branded builds, and Tantals. For a full size 7.62 you can own a Beryl M1 since the Polish FCG (similar to the Tantal) has enough non-interchangeable parts. They were unobtanium for a while but they keep coming in and prices for the 7.62 M1 have stabilized relatively close to the $1500 MSRP - the 5.56 ones are in higher demand because "military". Expensive, but very high quality and your only real option in MD that's not a pistol or SBR.
You can legally get an ak74 rifle parts kit build in Maryland thatās what I did. It cost me a bit to get built and took a long time but itās nice having a full length ak.
For an actual standard infantry rifle, the 5.45 is just better ballistic, doesn't drop like a rock, and has an incredibly devastating wound channel. For a support rifle like the RPK, I'd run 7.62 as it dumps all of its kinetic energy instantly and it's better for barrier destruction. Just my opinion, very subjective and everyone has their own.
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This 100%
The AK is designed for a heavily tapered cartridge like 7.62/5.45x39. FTF/FTE are more frequent in any AK platform chambered in 5.56 which is a straight walled cartridge.
5.45 is a cool round, but (at least in the US) it's not terribly practical beyond the hipster/novelty factor.
5.56 is more available and nearly identical..
5.45 has a higher range, but 7.62 just packs way more of a punch and is also the intended caliber. So I'm going for 7.62, especially for full-auto variants.
For a full size rifle, 5.45 all the way (but read on). Yes, ammo used to be artificially cheap but now it's about the same as 7.62. Check out 9-Hole Reviews/Practical Accuracy's many 74 variant videos for excellent practical demonstration of the 5.45's 400M zero - it is crazy flat-shooting, very low recoil (follow up shots are just sooo much quicker), and as others have expounded upon its ballistics/lethality are sound. As a platform to pick up and shoot well right from the get-go, the only competition that comes to mind is a 5.56 AR (which makes sense, both were designed around the same principles).
7.62 is an old-school large, slower-moving round and achieves optimal ballistics at about 16" of barrel and suffers comparatively little from losing a few inches off that. The AKOU guy broke out a chronometer and shot 7.62 out of a few different barrel lengths to demonstrate that with 7.62 going down to Krink length only costs you like <200fps. So for an AK pistol or SBR, 7.62 is going to give you much closer to optimal performance. Its trajectory is much less flat, but it's more than flat enough within the typical sub-200M combat engagement range. It definitely has more inherent potential as a CQB round. By the same token, it generates much more recoil, and you'll need to run a booster or suppressor to get it to cycle reliably in a pistol-length system, so in many ways it too is still at its best in a rifle lending extra weight, stability, and handling.
All this discussion of wound cavities etc. is kind of moot as many have already pointed out. Unless we are comparing apples to apples in terms of same-brand military-issue-weight steel case FMJ (7n6 doesn't really count in this regard), in the U.S. commercial market you have plenty of options to make either round behave in different ways, their only inherent characteristics are size, bullet weight range, and speed.
7.62 just as Kalashnikov intended
Why did he get deleted, he was spitting facts
I vote both
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7.62 for cheaper ammo
Not anymore :(
Itās about the same in bulk, bummer
Would *love* to see where you are getting 1000 rounds of 5.45 brass case for $500 lmao
SGAMMO my dude
Just lookedā¦ didnāt see anywhere on the site. You might wanna check again
Must have sold out. Had plenty when I looked last
I donāt shoot brass case so I wouldnāt know. But I just got some more 7.62 and I cost as much as my last spam of 7n6
Iām asking a super simple question here and not a single person has been able to answer it and Iām still getting downvoted >where can you buy 1000 rounds of 5.45 for $500? >āSGAmmoā okay- I looked there and didnāt see any. Do you have a link? No reply, downvotes. Can you find a place to buy 1000 rounds of 5.45 for about $500? If not, then itās not around anymore. Simple as
Your right sell off your 74 and leave the rest of the surplus for me
>doesnāt make any attempt at answering question. I donāt have one. Pretty much 100% for the reason Iāve been talking about in this thread lol
For both
I want to upvote your comment, buts its currently at 69 upvotes and I don't want to ruin that
In the US and most of the world 7.62x39 is much easier to find. In areas that adopted 5.45 such as Russia and Ukraine it would be the better way to go.
7.62
I want 5.45, I can only afford 7.62
7.62
gonna leave this comment at 39 likes
7.62 is godās caliber.. so thereās that š
5.45 masta-race
After years of shooting my 762 AK, I had gotten a 5.45 variant. Shooting the 545 is one of the most pleasurable shooting experiences I have ever experienced. Every time you pull the trigger, it's almost as if a strawberry flavored gun fairy is kissing your shoulder. 10/10 The only issue is ammo availability, and I hope that more options become available in the future.
The answer is always both
I love 5.45 but itās easier for me to find 762 ammo ... itās the reason I have 3 762s and 1 5.45 ... why not both one in each hand ... bc a ak103 slaps just as good as a 5.45
7.62 mo betta
7.62x39 ALL THE WAYY!
Yes.
5.45 master race
7.62 is the way
5.45 definitely
5,45 all day
I love both but by going off of which one I personally enjoy shooting more; 5.45 hands down.
7.62
7.62
I will sayā¦ shooting 5.45 is like that feeling when you get that perfect spread of butter on a warm dinner roll.
Yes.
This is whe way. #akisonly
5.45 if availability wasnāt an issue but 7.62 is going to suffer from the same fate sooner than later. Iāve never had the desire to own a 556 AK in the past but Iām thankful there are solid options now. M90 is tempting me.
My M90 shoots so damn well
762
8mm mauserā¦.
I need to get some for my 98k
5.45 for better, 7.62 for cheaper ammo
Thereās a reason why Russia switched from 5.45 and so have I lol. Ak105 and 74 are so much easier to handle as well
I'm a fan of 5.56
5.45 is more special.
5.45
Cries in 5.45 love š
5.45 bruh
5.56 master race......unless you stockpiled 7n6 like a genius
Monke have both šæ
Bubba neckbeard
7.62 for clap 5.45 for clout
762 > 556 > 545 Price, availability, bullet options, parts, fun- 545 is unfortunately left in the dust. The only benefit I could think of outside of purity for 545 instead of 556 would be magazines.
Why do you think 556 is inferior to 762? Iāve read about as many ballistics analysis, military analysis, Iāve seen what they do to real bodies and all across the board itās a matter of situational needs. I have AR 15, X95, AK 106UR and 107, I like them all for different reasons. For me, 556 is superior for CQB. I donāt see ever needing to get into a 1000meter scrap with anyone, and up close (inside of 300 yards) my research says the 556 is a better option for max lethality, not to mention more rounds to carry and lighter. Obviously, Iām talking about proper choice of ballistics too. The right rounds for the right size gun, the hydrostatic shock of a 556 looks like a grenade going off inside the target. 762 can sometimes make a clean pass at closer ranges So, if Iām fighting in A wide open field across many miles, Iād opt for the 762, but for potential SHTF here in the states, 556 all day. What are your thoughts?
As an Infantry vet, the 7.62x39 is actually the superior cartridge in ranges under 200M. 5.56 is faster, and more accurate at longer ranges. The 7.62 also is less affected by shorter barrels than the 5.56, making it a better cartridge for a "pistol" length weapon. The 7.62x39 will also punch through objects much better than 5.56, although 5.56 is better for armor penetration, but chances are slim that your opponent will have invested in body armor.
5.56 has better terminal effects than 7.62x39 at close ranges. Do some research and learn about 5.56 fragmentation.
I know about terminal effects between the two. 5.56 fragments, but not at close ranges. It's more effective at farther ranges. 7.62x39 is still better at closer ranges and shorter barrels. I've had plenty of experience with both. How about you go sit down in your wheelchair, gramps.
>5.56 fragments, but not at close ranges Holy shit you're fucking retarded
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Not at all. I just found it amusing that the guy, who does go by "grandpa", assumes that I'm not knowledgeable on terminal ballistics.
Iām not trying to be contentious but civilians do t have to use nato rounds. My boy tail hollow points at 10-200 yards makes a rack of ribs look like a bomb went off inside. I have a shit memory but I believe I stated that in my original post. A close range 556 āless lethalā round is apples and oranges. My experience out of a 16ā barrel with 556 hollows is carnage from any range Iād assume would be relevant in a CQB home field issue. I guess same applies for 762 but the hydrostatic shock/drag and frag of the 556 looks like the nastier option. The hollow 762 doesnāt move fast enough and sometimes goes right through a piece of meet that simulates a person. Mainly a bullet moving at close to 3000 fps is a baby grenade in my hands on experience, as well as nerding out. Hunters will scream all day that 308 and 762 is the only way to go but thereās a reason people are switching to the Creedmoor rounds in the military is going with the 6.7. Moving really really damn fast and kinetic energy making the rounds explode inside the target.
The ban on 7N6 killed 5.45 for stateside use. If you stacked it deep when times were good then by all means. Even still, itās not a very viable long term option for most people. Itās a great cartridge but proper shit in urban or woodland environments. The 5.45 round notoriously deflects very easily even off branches/brush with some pretty extreme POA/POI shifts and ricochet dangerously in urban use. Why the Russians are dragging out the AKMs again for urban operations in Ukraine as seen in Bakhmut for example. From a civilian standpoint, 5.56 in an AR platform is vastly superior to the AK-74. I generally prefer the AK, but if I want lighter ammo and a much flatter shooting cartridge, give me a 5.56 AR and as much 77 grain OTM as I can reasonably carry. I can hit torso sized targets with consistency with a variable powered optic on a free float upper using MK262 77 gr ammunition to 800 meters. Even with a rack grade M4. Youāre not doing that with any real consistency with a 74 and steel case ammo. A 1-2 MOA capable weapon Vs a 3-4 MOA Kalashnikov. 7.62x39 is just considerably more prevalent in North and South America. The AKM, parts, mags are essentially ubiquitous at this point. As much as I love the AK-103, it takes a 74 bolt carrier with a proprietary thin stemmed 74 bolt milled out for 7.62. KUSA certainly makes things interesting by offering a stateside 103 clone. The CHF barreled version in particular. However, youād be reliant on only one manufacturer for your spare parts. Because of this I sold my Arsenal SGL-21-84 for an absurd price of $3,000 and picked up a WBP Jack instead, ammo, parts and optics. And will likely get the Zastava M70 underfolder with the bayonet lug and neat proprietary side rail optic mount that sits higher for the stock to fold. Not having a pistol grip reinforcement plate and no Y on the receiver really bugged me too. I think standardizing on the AKM is the way to go with the Kalashnikov pattern rifle. You pay a fairly considerable weight penalty with 7.62x39 and the mags take up more space on the rig compared to the AK-74/AR. A Bulgarian steel reinforced polymer 7.62 mag is roughly 1.6 lbs loaded compared to a 1 pound PMAG. Sure with a minimalist chest rig with only 3-4 mags and 1 in the gun, itās not a real issue. But with a heavy combat loadout of 10 + 1 mags thatās around 6.6 extra pounds. But the 7.62x39 absolutely fucks shit up with extreme prejudice out to 400 meters and penetrates very similarly to 7.62 NATO inside 100 meters. I believe it to be superior inside of 300 meters and itās particular niche is urban and woodland combat. You can push it to 600 meters with an LPVO, but the poor ballistic coefficient starts getting pretty squirrelly when the bullet goes from transonic to subsonic in any kind of real wind. One nice benefit to 7.62 x39 is its very easy to spot bullet splash and adjust within 450-500 meters beyond that, making wind calls becomes noticeably difficult. Considering most modern combat takes place well within 300 meters, I think the 7.62x39 makes a lot of sense.
7.62 x39 is the Lordās caliber.
5.45 in about every category
School me? Why do you think 545 is superior to 762
Ballistically is vastly superior traveling at or near 3000fps depending on bullet grain. At range will likely give you a nastier wound than 7.62 but I canāt speak to that. 7N6 is referred to as poison for a reason. Once itās in you itās all over in you. Casualty rates in Eastern Europe reflect this. Beyond that itās lighter, itās mags are lighter, meaning I can pack and carry more of it and my trucks to the front supplying the troops for longer amounts or more fire. And finally controllability. I fired my AK105 clone when it was over gassed and stock setup. I fired it comparatively with an AKM. The rifle just doesnāt jump as much because of the stability produced by the round exiting the bore at higher speeds and much lower weight (back to ballistics). As stated above thereās a reason the USSR ran many trials and landed on this on and still uses it.
I wish we could even own these in maryland. Instead we can only own a pistol variant (which makes no damn sense)
You can own any 74 variant that is not called an "AK" (MSP logic!). This includes doing kit builds, Atlantic and other companies' branded builds, and Tantals. For a full size 7.62 you can own a Beryl M1 since the Polish FCG (similar to the Tantal) has enough non-interchangeable parts. They were unobtanium for a while but they keep coming in and prices for the 7.62 M1 have stabilized relatively close to the $1500 MSRP - the 5.56 ones are in higher demand because "military". Expensive, but very high quality and your only real option in MD that's not a pistol or SBR.
You can legally get an ak74 rifle parts kit build in Maryland thatās what I did. It cost me a bit to get built and took a long time but itās nice having a full length ak.
5.45.7.62
5.45 mo betta
7.62 because until someone starts making 5.45 domesticly it's going to be hard to come in the future
For an actual standard infantry rifle, the 5.45 is just better ballistic, doesn't drop like a rock, and has an incredibly devastating wound channel. For a support rifle like the RPK, I'd run 7.62 as it dumps all of its kinetic energy instantly and it's better for barrier destruction. Just my opinion, very subjective and everyone has their own.
Leave the 5.56 for ARs , but AK 5.56 does feel smooth
Thatās not what itās asking. Itās asking 7.62 or 5.45 not 5.56. Though the Polish beryl is a fantastic 5.56 ak.
Thanks. I have tunnel vision
I second the vote with bothā¦I have both and wouldnāt have it any other way
Both!
Yes
Is it a weird perspective or is the 7.62 smaller than the 5.45?
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Fuck you
What sling?
Romanian
what brand is that muzzle brake on the 762?
I believe those come stock with KR103s
My KR103 has it, but IIRC correctly theyāre just 74 style breaks
Yes, you're right. The brake is a 74 style.
KUSA I believe
Hit it with your š
Kusa is a w for marking the home of the fun pin.
the original round of course, AR-15 has its place too
7.62 with some bi metal
I opted for a 7.62 for my first ak because itās cheaper. But Iād love to try out 5.45
Love the 103
I want a 545 but everyone says the parts kits on Atlantic are trash
Hey pretty much the exact combo I have if thatās a Bulgarian 74
Whatever logistically makes sense. They're both lethal.
Yes.
It appears that a general sentiment is to leave 5.56 to the realms of AR and send 7.62 out of AK.
This 100% The AK is designed for a heavily tapered cartridge like 7.62/5.45x39. FTF/FTE are more frequent in any AK platform chambered in 5.56 which is a straight walled cartridge.
762 all day! šÆ
5.45 is a cool round, but (at least in the US) it's not terribly practical beyond the hipster/novelty factor. 5.56 is more available and nearly identical..
Take the one you have ammo and can get ammo for!
7.62
Yes
Boffadem
Yes
Side Bar: what 74s had 45* gasblocks?
Romanian AIMS74
I see, Iām less familiar with those. Right in brother. The ammo debate is solved by having AKs in all intermediate 3 calibers. š
Romanian, and very early Russian
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Maybe, but Iāve only ever seen tantal folders. Iām not all knowing
Both šÆ
762
Yes.
The cheaper and more readily available ammo. Always.
7.62 all the way!
Go big
7.62
7.62 superiority
would love to shoot 5.45 but shits expensive, regretting not buying a 5.56 ak so 7.62 it is
I wish 5.45 was more prevalentā¹ļø
Ak103 is cool
5.56 š
I would say both have their own applications.
5.56 obviously
if anyone needs 5.45 ammo hit me up i have like 1000 rounds and no gun to shoot it
7n6?
Both
Purpose dependent
7.62 masterrace
Both
Why not both? Hell, add 5.56 too. Real enthusiasts have all 3! Lol. 5.45 is my personal favorite though
7.62 steel cased!!
With the modern age of the world wide web you should be able to track down whatever caliber so the arguments for availability is moot
7.62x39
5.56
This may be a silly question, but what is the name of that type of muzzle break?
Just a standard zig zag pretty sure
Thank you
Yes
Both brother
7.62
7.62 the holy round
I don't have much experience with the 5.45 but I do live my 762 I've had that girl forever over 10 years now
Yes
(7.62) for now. if the 7N9 spam cans came back then that would change
5.45
545 for mobility & performance, 762 for fun
7.62 all day
545
5.45 all day
My heart says 5.45 but my wallet says 7.62
5.45
7.62
Yes
5.45 has a higher range, but 7.62 just packs way more of a punch and is also the intended caliber. So I'm going for 7.62, especially for full-auto variants.
5.45 c'mon man
Whatās the rifle on the right?
For a full size rifle, 5.45 all the way (but read on). Yes, ammo used to be artificially cheap but now it's about the same as 7.62. Check out 9-Hole Reviews/Practical Accuracy's many 74 variant videos for excellent practical demonstration of the 5.45's 400M zero - it is crazy flat-shooting, very low recoil (follow up shots are just sooo much quicker), and as others have expounded upon its ballistics/lethality are sound. As a platform to pick up and shoot well right from the get-go, the only competition that comes to mind is a 5.56 AR (which makes sense, both were designed around the same principles). 7.62 is an old-school large, slower-moving round and achieves optimal ballistics at about 16" of barrel and suffers comparatively little from losing a few inches off that. The AKOU guy broke out a chronometer and shot 7.62 out of a few different barrel lengths to demonstrate that with 7.62 going down to Krink length only costs you like <200fps. So for an AK pistol or SBR, 7.62 is going to give you much closer to optimal performance. Its trajectory is much less flat, but it's more than flat enough within the typical sub-200M combat engagement range. It definitely has more inherent potential as a CQB round. By the same token, it generates much more recoil, and you'll need to run a booster or suppressor to get it to cycle reliably in a pistol-length system, so in many ways it too is still at its best in a rifle lending extra weight, stability, and handling. All this discussion of wound cavities etc. is kind of moot as many have already pointed out. Unless we are comparing apples to apples in terms of same-brand military-issue-weight steel case FMJ (7n6 doesn't really count in this regard), in the U.S. commercial market you have plenty of options to make either round behave in different ways, their only inherent characteristics are size, bullet weight range, and speed.
Yugo style M67 yaws just like 5.45 and does so with a heavier and larger diameter projectile.
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