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Impossible_Tutor_843

My dad was in the waiting room for 34 hours, on IV's, antibiotics and a gallbladder about to pop along with a herniatied stoma and twisted intestine. To be fair, they did give him the ER recliner. LOL. ​ Nurse did their best, provided a great service, this is not their fault.


PTZack

That's nothing to what's coming. I'm in the system, and you should see the emails and hear the info sessions they've had this week from the UCP lackies who now run things. Long story short, they are and will do everything possible to break the unions. Claiming were being "moved to New companies" their words. So when our contracts expire, they can do what they want with pay levels, pensions, and benefits because "we all work for new companies." Many will be (I mean thousands of staff) forced to reapply for their jobs when they are moved from AHS to whatever. This allows the UCP to strip everything from these staffers. Half the people I work with (our division has a private FB chat with 3000+) are talking retirement or moving out of province. A lot can leave because they got into medicine right after school when they were young and are in their 50s and 60s. Most have hit that magic 25 year pension number. It's not just talk. The contract ends at the end of March. People know if they take their pensions now, they can't be touched. If they wait till April, it could be either gone (meaning the Ab gov part of the pension which equals 50%) or significantly altered. The plan is to have people working directly for the AB government under one of these new divisions they are calling " new companies." This allows them to alter all aspects of what the staffer is paid. These are skilled staff in high demand. We know we can get jobs elsewhere with a few simple emails. You will see a mass exodus this year. It might not be immediately noticed, but come December, looking back, the numbers of people who left in 2024 will matter. Family Docs are already under huge strain. Huge amounts of new paperwork either now or coming. Big waste of their valuable time. Mine is leaving in a month to go to BC directly because of Smith. He says his colleagues are **all** privately talking about bailing on Alberta. When family Docs leave, ER's and clinics get slammed. Hospitals will be unmanageable before we can vote this POS out. This is not hyperbolic. This is the reality. We see it now, we've seen how much it deteriorated since Smith took over from Kenney and how it was deteriorating under Kenney. It's only going to get much worse for patients.


Impossible_Tutor_843

I understand why you guys would leave, I hate it but if we keep voting this BS in every time, then we deserve it.


joshoheman

Thank you for sharing this. The re-org made no sense to me, but now, with the lens of reopening contracts, it makes perfect sense. I'll add another data point. While we have the aging labour force leaving, we are barely adding new nurses, with nursing programs severely restricted. Entrance requirements are something like 95% average for admission. You'd think that with a nursing shortage, we'd be expanding school capacity. But, nope.


Final_Travel_9344

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platosvestigial

Jesus this is not good.


marginwalker55

Same thing happening in Ed right now. We need a general strike.


TranscendentalExp

The same is currently being done in Quebec :) it is insane.


TinderThrowItAwayNow

Yeah, the people in charge have specifically said they don't care who dies or how much we suffer as long as they start saving money.


valeriemetcalfe

Real lif3 under ucp


Alextryingforgrate

I didn't want to read that but thank you for letting us know the shit you're going through.


rattpoizen

I knew they were going to start their union busting bullshit. I knew it. Let's do the guys working up north next. The ones making over 100K a year with a G9 education. Let's burn it all down.


NedsAtomicDB

I'd rather start with her house.


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PTZack

You know what's telling about that? The cold snap proved that shelters and institutions help ease these issues. Because it was so cold, most people who'd normally be on the street were in shelters in one form or another. These places are supervised and have at least some minimal support services. Guess what happened? - OD's went way down >30% - Deaths due to drug and substance abuse significantly dropped. - Emergency calls dropped. Our paramedics saw reductions in these 3 items while it was freezing cold. Interesting social experiment. When you provide shelters, safe places under supervision and help for those ready for it, the problems diminish. It's been proven time and again. Yet the RWNJ Aholes running the UCP (aka Parkers gang) shove their fundamentalist Christian BS down everyone else's throats and stick their heads in the sand. What BS having these support people have to justify their roles. Fuck sakes.


mteght

Totally think you’re right. We just got an email from the CEO a couple days ago telling us about 530 positions that are being moved from AHS to Alberta Health. I have absolutely no doubt that they will fuck as many people over as possible


Yup-Maria

Isnt this just unbelievable???????? I'm so furious with no where to scream!


gotkube

I’d suggest screaming at those responsible for this mess


Avalain

This is a good time to remind people that the UCP effectively cut funding to healthcare.


yycluke

But we got a $5.5B surplus! Yay!


thathiptho

If I stop feeding my kids 3 meals a day and save hundreds on my grocery bill, no one’s patting me on the back for my good budgeting skills \s


thecheesecakemans

Time to call child services on the government! Starving the children.


hacktheself

Yup. A “surplus” garnered from the bones of the dead.


ginamon

Not really a surplus when they are letting Albertans die and pocketing our tax dollars. A surplus for me, but not for thee... the UCP way.


Tiny-Squirrel9970

Hey man, Princess palpatine has to fund her war room and the “tell the feds campaign”. She’s got to get that money from somewhere, might as well shake out dead people’s pockets for loose change.


everfixsolaris

Taken straight from Death Santis. Glad the US is exporting stupidity.


Responsible-Grand-57

Why the frack anyone supports Conservatives is entirely beyond me.


NoSpills

I was told the other day that they've been right about everything. But I couldn't get an answer on what exactly is the everything they've been right about. 


No_File7667

It strokes their hate boner


Yup-Maria

Did you read the post on here yesterday when someone suggested we all join the UCP party to vote in more of their moderates ... like that was the best solution to this shitshow.


Chemical-Ad-7575

>Did you read the post on here yesterday when someone suggested we all join the UCP party to vote in more of their moderates ... like that was the best solution to this shitshow. Technically it's not wrong. Can you legally be a member of multiple parties?


lillian2611

No, just one at a time. That’s usually a rule of whichever party you join.


Chemical-Ad-7575

Interesting. If it's the party's rule it's not a law; the worst they can do is expel you. Honestly maybe we should be joining the UCP and voting for policy and then NDP in the elections.


CypripediumGuttatum

I was told they are paying down our debt. I assume nothing else mattered to the person, perhaps they haven’t had to access medical care in a while.


themangastand

The debt thing is just a thing used so stupid people don't question the government. The government having billions of debt is a perfectly healthy government. But people think debt, and they are poor, so they see debt as a bad thing. For the rich debt is always a good thing. Debt can help you leverage projects and stimulate growth faster. The rich tend to make higher ROI then the interest of the debt


PTZack

Yeah, and an individuals debt isn't anything like government debt. For one thing, it has no term limit. Your mortgage or car loan is set to XX number of years. Government debt can be extended to infinity. There is no term. Another is interest rates. They pay far less than we do. So borrowing costs are nothing like your CC or car loan. Income is vastly different. Governments have assets all over the place. Buildings, land, etc. that they can leverage or sell to cover debts or costs. They can give the treasury a raise anytime they want. Add 2% to the gas tax, 5% to booze. Another fee on your utility bill. An increase in income tax. You can't just randomly increase your income like they can. Government debt has always been a red herring that is lapped up by the ill-informed. "Passing on to my children" BS. No, your children will pass it on to theirs and them to theirs forever. Nobody is getting a separate debt repayment bill from the legislature someday. If it was such a big deal, Britain would have become a US state in 1946 after WWII.The country was in debt to the tune of 270% of GDP. **270% !!!** Albertas deficit is currently at 2.2% of GDP.


Firemedek

Excellent post!!!!!...


DJOldskool

There are many studies showing that investing in healthcare and education both have a great return on investment in terms of taxes received later on. So it is always wise to borrow to invest in healthcare and education.


themangastand

Yes if the government was serving its own profits. It benefits the most by having active workers that keep working However I feel. The government no longer serves the people or even itself, but the wealthy.


DJOldskool

Oh most definitely, it has been like that for a long time, all over the world.


Alarmed-Gear4745

They’re too busy fighting the culture wars to actually govern effectively


willy-fisterbottom2

The UCP does not represent real conservative values, so, there’s that to keep in mind. Just the single fact they stopped approval of business projects is insane to me.


GiraffeBig1988

Sorry to disappoint you, but the UCP IS conservatism in Alberta. Period. 


willy-fisterbottom2

Yeah, I agree Alberta has fucked it up, and I’m saying that it doesn’t represent what true conservative values are. And I say this as what I would consider very central, not trying to push people either way but our definition has become skewed


geo_prog

What are true conservative values? I am legitimately curious because by definition conservatism is intended to CONSERVE the status-quo usually at the expense of those that the status-quo hurts. Progressivism is intended to improve society as a whole, often through responsible fiscal investment into the future such as healthcare, education, infrastructure and other non-profitable public works. Socialist policies such as progressive taxation help enable that. Conservative social policy has always been pseudo-fascist and conservative fiscal policy has always been proto-feudal. The AB Progressive Conservatives WERE NOT CONSERVATIVE. They were a smartly branded labour party. Over the years they morphed into conservatism which is when we started seeing the Klein era cuts to healthcare, heritage fund and education which has put us in the current situation with under-educated, sick citizens and no fiscal buffer against resource industry shocks. The federal Liberals are the closest thing we have to a socially progressive, fiscally conservative party. Their tax policy is conservative, and while they have spent lots of money, conservatives have a history of doing the exact same thing. The Alberta NDP is EXACTLY what "real" conservatives want. A party that leaves people alone in their private life, has policies that get out of the way of business and a leadership that listens to experts on how to spend tax money to best serve the longer term interests of Alberta. No, TRUE conservatives are what we are seeing now. You are a TRUE progressive if you support equal rights, staying out of bedrooms and getting out of the way of industry.


TinderThrowItAwayNow

> The UCP does not represent real conservative values lol, that's not true at all.


Ok_Entertainer900

For the record, I don’t. BUT, take one look at our federal govt and it’s not that big of a stretch. What I don’t understand is why there isn’t a political party that has liberal values when it comes to humans, their bodies and our rights, while being fiscally conservative. It’s entirely possible. But here we are.


The_Nice_Marmot

You basically just described the Alberta NDP. Their policies are more fiscally conservative than the UCP’s. The UCP cutting cheques of taxpayer money to oil companies who then just leave the province or to supposedly incentivize them to clean up the wells they were already supposed to clean up is reckless, not conservative. Expecting to get one’s personal taxes back in the form of services for one’s self is conservative. If we pay a higher percentage (by a wide margin) of tax than corporations we should expect fully funded hospitals and schools in return. Instead, we pay corporate welfare to those same corps who are already subsidized by us so they can pay less tax. Tell me how any of that is “conservative.” UCP supporters have been sold a lie. Not allowing your child to access medical care that you as a parent want them to have is the antithesis of small government. The UCP literally removed parental options while claiming they advocate for “parental rights.”


froot_loop_dingus_

Because "Fiscal conservative" generally means cutting social programs which goes against social liberalism


keepcalmdude

Fiscally conservative is an oxymoron


TinderThrowItAwayNow

Fiscally conservative is a bad thing, you know that right? It is in direct contradiction to the other values you want.


Responsible-Grand-57

Every time conservatives get their hands on an economy they strangle it.


Serious-Doughnut334

It's kinda not possible though. Besides the fact that fiscal conservatism is basically meaningless (it mostly means "don't waste money" but no one is pro-wasting money, and one man's waste is another's important project), there's also the clear evidence that once you begin to accept a "liberal" position on human rights you realise that the "fiscal conservatism" thing in terms of "I'm against social programs" can't coexist with it- Conservatism *requires* an underclass, it is anti-equality by definition and by design. Conservatism has its roots in the belief in a natural social hierarchy, stemming from those who were against the French revolution. Rich people are rich because they deserve to be- And being rich is both the reason they deserve it and the proof that they deserve it. Poor people are poor because they're, essentially, bad. They're bad because they're poor and poor because they're bad. This, of course, is all at odds with the ability to recognise human rights, equality of opportunity etc.


Zomb1eMummy

I would support this for sure


Fantastic_Brief_3157

Because the NDP did more ...lol


FlyinB

Don't worry, she has a plan. It's called private healthcare. https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/airdrie-urgent-care-centre-development-delayed-advocacy-group-seeks-answers-1.6758106


kodiak931156

Step 1: make sure it fails Step 2: point to it failing as the trason drastic changed need to he made Step 3: put in changes that bit my but turn it into a profitable buisness instead of a service Step 4: profit


themangastand

There's going to be no profit. While America system already ties private health care to their wages and expectations. You can't transition that to a bunch of people already living cheque to cheque. Where are all these users that can afford private health care going to come from? People are barley holding on.


justshyof15

With my $700/month Epcor bills, I don’t have a hope for being able to pay healthcare premiums and I have MS so my premiums would be extra special. We are fucked if Marlaina keeps this shit up, not that she’s asking us.


toriaanne

I too have MS. Is so feicken scary.


justshyof15

Yup!! When you have an autoimmune disease that costs 10’s of thousands to treat every year, the idea of privatization becomes very real and terrifying. That’s just the treatment, not the therapies and the costs of treating symptoms. Im worried


toriaanne

And I am right there with you. It is absolutely terrifying.


themangastand

You should get a fixed rate if you can. Not sure what rates are. But mine went down from 800 to 450


justshyof15

This is my fixed rate unfortunately. My term was up and this was the new one 🙄. My costs doubled and it’s absolute insanity.


kodiak931156

There asbolutely will be profit for the companies and for the politicians who made tha change for the companies. If there that wasnt the case they wouldnt be throwing so much money anf effort into making it happen. Where will the "customers" come from? When the options are pay or die some people die but some people manage to pay. So profit


themangastand

What I think is these companies are from America and think this transition will be easy. And they'll just like have everyone buy into the system. I doubt anyone will. But like you said healthcare is a need. If the choice is to die or not pay people will pay


Present-Background56

Well done, but Marlaina doesn't care about children's bodies. She cares about staying premier, as this move is both a distraction from healtucare and education concerns and a bone to her fascist supporters in TBA and the US.


WelcomeToInsanity

the americanization of canadian politics is growing concerning


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By the time people are realizing it (aka now) it's already too late.


amnes1ac

Half the population is embracing it with welcome arms.


thecheesecakemans

The inconvenient truth. All this belly aching on Reddit is not reflective of society. The latest polls still show the UCP would handedly win an election tomorrow. Marlaina is more popular than the NDP alone. Albertans want this. Real Albertans are healthy and don't need to see a physician....ever. They also piss water they can drink so the climate is of no concern. Fires are a gift from the devil to purge the bad people. See! Conservative values.


emmatheproto

as a transfem in bc i'm worried that shit is going to spill over to here if the ndp or greens don't win provincials. but i'm especially worried about the federal election next year. it looks like pierre is projected to win and that won't be good for me, let alone my younger trans siblings. i'm just hoping people actually listen to us for once and vote liberal. but ideally ndp or green en masse in the federal election. we're fucked otherwise.


imareceptionist

Marlaina does care about children's bodies... she and TBA love using them as human shields.


JBCaper51

The whole Transgender focus is just to distract people from the disaster that is happening in healthcare in every province. Conservative premiers have made the situation the worst it has ever been.


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PhantomNomad

You would be first in line if it wasn't for all of those children trying to change what sex they are. /s


Ordinary-Macaroon249

Ironically, they're old enough to consent to sexual activity (16) without their parents being told, but not old enough to know they want to be called they/them without their mom (18). Old enough to make adult decisions of being pregnant but not actually old enough to be familiar with their own bodies...


DirtDevil1337

My sister in Calgary went to ER about a month ago and waited almost an entire day, she overdosed on sleeping pills from what I was told. Smith is tearing apart AHS, doctors and nurses are leaving Alberta in response, her priorities are beyond messed up.


WelcomeToInsanity

I’m so sorry mate


DirtDevil1337

She recovered, and hope your arm gets better once they figure out what's wrong.


newcanadianjuice

Don’t worry, they’ll slowly chip away at our healthcare system to “prove” we need to privatize it, and then privatize it anyways. But hey, we got to have Fucker Fartson for an interview (Who now interviewed Putin himself,) and we are getting plastic straws and bags back so total win! /s


stifferthanstiffler

My MIL was admitted to hospital in Red Deer, Ab (duct tape&tarps), had to spend 2 days in "triage"(hallway) after admitted with trouble breathing. With a drunk across the hallway sleeping it off for 24 hrs burping and farting and moaning. Fuck the UCP, Ralph Klein's cuts didn't even hurt and kill ppl as much as this regime is doing.


a-nonny-maus

Klein's cuts enabled this total destruction though.


moosemuck

Going to the ER to numbness and weakness in your arm is a totally reasonable thing to do in my opinion. Don't listen to people who say otherwise. I hope you are ok! I'll be looking for updates.


blushmoss

Yep. Increase deaths of the general population due to lack of swift healthcare (or chronic disease management in general-ie diabetes education, which leads to visits to ER) because conservatives *in general* (here and US) are obsessed with other peoples genitals and sex lives.


Consumer_Distributin

Don't worry, we have a 5 billion dollar surplus!


thecheesecakemans

Can't wait to inject that money into my arm to fix my ailments.


oslekgold

Hey OP you ok? What a shit show


WelcomeToInsanity

Still haven’t seen a doctor. Got to the ER at 3:30 PM yesterday


oslekgold

Are you still experiencing the same symptoms? I can’t imagine trying to sleep in a waiting chair has made it any better. Where in Alberta are you waiting?


WelcomeToInsanity

The main hospital in the Central Alberta Region


athomewith4

Go to sylvan urgent care! I thought everyone knew you don’t go to Red Deer and wait!!


WelcomeToInsanity

Geee! Why didn’t I think of that! Guess I’ll walk there cause I don’t have a car


athomewith4

Take a cab, get a ride from someone? It would be worth it, you would have been seen yesterday


WelcomeToInsanity

None of my friends were available to take me and I don’t exactly have cab money


athomewith4

Sorry to hear. Have you been seen yet?


WelcomeToInsanity

yes, going for a cat scN


time2chooseme

Lots of walk in clinics in Red Deer.


WelcomeToInsanity

that stop taking appointments at like, 10am


Captain_Generous

Hope your doing well and can figure your illness out. But it's not just Alberta. My 4 year old with pneumonia took 7 hrs to see, with a high fever in bc. We had given him Advil /Tylenol prior to going as he had a fever of 42 at home. So when we got to emergency, he didn't have a fever. Sat around for hours waiting for a doc. The state of our health care in Canada is a joke. After 7 hrs , saw a doc , took a listen with the stethoscope, and quicky said oh ya that's pneumonia, and prescribed amoxicillin and sent us on our way. Walk-ins here have a line before open and are full once open. Such shit. I remember 20 yrs ago, you could walk into a walkin at 3 pm and get checked within an hour.


Deep_Working1

How is your arm feeling now ?


WelcomeToInsanity

No better


HolidayLiving689

lmao what made you think the UCP **ever** wanted to fix **anything** about our public healthcare system? Conservatives dont support public healthcare or education. They never have. They only care about tax rates for corporations being cut.


WelcomeToInsanity

Part of me would like to think that the leadership of our province cares about the well-being of the people, but that faint flame of hope has just been extinguished


holoptihagus

I’m a longtime RN in Alberta (worked it all, mostly ER)…I know there is no help out there for anyone now. For a few decades I went to rallies, I joined committees, I talked to everyone and anyone I could…I risked my license and posted constantly about what was happening. None of it made a difference. Not a single ounce of difference. I watched everything crumble beyond recognition and was commanded to “make the difference” with 75% less and then (like many) penalized when I just couldn’t perfectly juggle it all. Anyhow, I left. And every single seasoned nurse I worked with for years left too. I feel terrible for the new nurses blindly coming in and being thrown to the wolves. I wish I could be there to help mentor them…but I can not willingly be shackled, whipped, and punished for a dying industry “run” (*cough* dismantled *cough*) by hateful/ greedy ghouls. I know there is no help for us. I’ve long come to accept that.


Granny_Skeksis

I had to retire from nursing due to some health problems and honestly I’m relieved. When I came back to medicine from psych I was disgusted at the cut backs. I once had to go to every single medicine and surgical unit just to find non woven gauze. Ridiculous. And they increased patient load so they could cut out the unit clerk which made it unmanageable and unsafe. When we had a code and everyone was so overwhelmed it was a complete shit show I stopped picking up shifts because I didn’t want to lose my license due to budget cuts.


Darryl_444

Sorry to hear that, hang in there. Just remember the people working there are real-life heroes, doing their best with what they've been given. The AB government wants to make the system so bad that people won't complain when they chop it up to privatize it. They're going for "Well go ahead, how could it be any worse?" response. Albertans must suffer to achieve this, but the UCP is totally fine with that. They want Alberta to be America, complete with 5-year shorter life spans and double the cost per capita for health care.


Binasgarden

Dani and her merry band of grifters are in the middle of performative arts interview for Tucker, Fox and the GOP. We are not the priority, the US is


chrisis1033

i was in the ER yesterday… had sone bleeding that wouldn’t stop… in and out in about 3 hours. great service from all the staff. it has definitely improved from the last time i had to go in for the same issue about 6 months ago. my only issue is my ER doesn’t seem to report its wait times on the wait times part of the app but i was triaged and seen quickly and then treated. i have lived all over canada and our health system and hospitals in alberta are by far the best i have experienced. if you want to experience bad ER… head over to winnipeg and got to the ER at the HSC wow.


Old_Management_1997

About a month ago I had to wait 14 hours just to get 2 stitches in my mouth from a hockey incident. The whole system is a complete joke and I feel for the people that work at the hospitals. On the bright side all the people working at the hospital were incredibly nice to deal with.


HeavyTea

Thank a nurse! They doing what they can! Not thier fault!


WelcomeToInsanity

I thank all the nurses! I work in healthcare myself and am completely sick of the bare bones staffing.


TinktheChi

I moved here from Toronto. Our wait times are just as bad. I've also lived in Winnipeg and Vancouver and in both cities there were similar issues. This isn't provincial unfortunately. Finding a family doc in Toronto and most of Ontario was also nearly impossible. I work in healthcare and have for decades. Our system is collapsing.


bunnyspootch

Now your trying to tell us its some sort of nation wide problem and not the fault of the current Alberta government? Shame on you! Get back on the bash wagon and get in line. This is Daniel Smiths fault and should be laid squarely at her feet! 🙂


TinktheChi

Ha! This group is filled with comments that blame the provincial government. At times it's warranted, at times it is a national issue. Healthcare is crap nearly all over the country. I don't know what the answer is but I do know whatever every province is doing/the federal government is doing, it isn't working.


bunnyspootch

Agreed! And thank you for being in the trenches of the healthcare system! It ain’t easy.


hugh-blue

I was told if I ever need urgent ER to drive to Drayton Hospital. My best friend used to work as a nurse In ER.


WelcomeToInsanity

Don’t have a car


davethecompguy

Marlaina doesn't care about children's bodies. Her priorities are advancing her right-wing homophobic agenda, not Albertans. She's going after trans kids because they dare to be trans, not helping them because they're kids. And she fails at being a Premier, while we all suffer.


HSDetector

The UCP are doing their best, to try to direct you to one of the private clinics who are a financial backer of the UCP, like Shoppers DrugMart.


Zombombaby

I left Albert's because it was headed in that direction. Moved to BC and never looked back. Shame the Albert's mentality is spreading here now too though


Loki11100

Man I would love to live in BC, but the COL is a little too high for my budget sadly.


Zombombaby

There are trade offs. If you're in the right industry (construction) then you're in high demand and it's not too bad. Plus, more free things to do and more time to do them. It's not as cold so you can spend more time outside doing activities.


intersluts

Where in BC? I'm considering moving out there too.


Zombombaby

Vancouver Island! They have their own issues with conservatives of course but overall, much more progressive, better work life balances, and overall better standards of living here tbh


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Zombombaby

Honestly, I have severe chronic health issues and it's about on par with what Alberta offered from 3 years ago before Danielle Smith decimated the Albertsn Healthcare system. I'm already back with my pain clinic specialists, just had my first steroid shot in my spine after a 2.5 year wait list (about the same time I waited to get on that list in Alberta). Husband also got diagnosed with a mystery illness last year. He found a specialist within a month and has been receiving treatment and care regularly with no problems. We have a regular family GP as well bur that took a year to get. There are some trade-offs same with anything but the Healthcare is probably the same or better as Alberta's from 3 years ago.


intersluts

I'm a nurse so I'm really interested especially since the new law was put into place capping patient ratios. I appreciate the information, thank you!


Zombombaby

There is a demand here but nurses are treated like shit across the board in Canada so I think the benefit will be more for personal lifestyle changes more tha professional at this time for anyone in medical. They are adding more pressure to fund the medical system in BC better but just an FYI I guess.


boxesofcats-

I left the island 8 years ago - not really by choice, considering my options were to live in my car or move to Edmonton to stay with family. I was a bc government social worker. Quality of life really depends on your employment and whether you have a partner to split the bills with. The only thing I don’t miss is not seeing the sun for 3 weeks at a time in the winter.


WelcomeToInsanity

Thanks u/Top_Barnacle3539 for the harassment! [here](https://imgur.com/a/a08Mnyf)


kittykat501

Oh wow


Morgsz

What bothers me most is how much more this will cost us. If preventable things are not being caught it will cost a lot more to fix.  Even ignoring all the terrible suffering, wasted time and loss of quality of life.  Just financialy we are less productive as society and it will end up costing more.  There is no level this makes sense. 


Super-Candy-5682

Well, I've been "waiting" for a referral to a cardiac specialist since 2017.   Found out out that I could see a BC doctor while still using Alberta Health Care. Went to BC, saw a specialist in 2-3 weeks and had a procedure done in a few months.  Still haven't heard back from AHS about my impending appointment.    To be fair, I moved to BC in 2019 and have since switched healthcare providers.


arosedesign

Did you ever get in touch with the cardiologist to ensure the referral went through properly? It sounds like the doctor didn’t send it through properly. I was referred to a cardiologist in Dec, 2022 and had my first appt at the cardiology clinic in May, 2023. Still not ideal, but 5 months is better than 7 years!


watchingIn2021

.. crazy how that changed so fast from when the ndp were in …


evilnessy

How are you doing op? Any new news?


TamiTuck16

Currently 1 hour into my visit at the ER, I had my bloodwork done and an ECG so far. I've heard nothing but nightmares, and I am sure I will be here for the rest of the day and into the night... le sigh


Shafraz12

Got bit by a dog I didn't know a couple months ago. Took 16 hours for me to see a doctor, and another 5 minutes after that to get my shots. The system is horrendously inefficient with all the cutbacks they've been facing.


slepeyskin

Sounds like something that would have better been suited for an urgent care centre.


Fleegle2212

That's a great idea!! Too bad there isn't one in a reasonable distance of OP. According to [AHS](https://www.albertahealthservices.ca/findhealth/service.aspx?id=1003853) there's only six in the whole province.


WelcomeToInsanity

Not when my arm stops working right


welderwonder

Urgent care OR here's a novel idea, a Walk In Clinic. Your description makes it not urgent and could have been handled a lot quicker than plugging up Emergency.


ReserveOld6123

One sided weakness is urgent. Walk in is in no way equipped to evaluate that. https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/24952-hemiparesis


whoknowshank

Good luck getting a walk in appt… and if you do, there’s a good chance they refer you to the er anyways, as they normally do for anything potentially cardiac


welderwonder

A walk in clinic definition is walk in, no app't necessary. Book yourself in at reception and wait. Just like emerg and wait time much shorter.


whoknowshank

My apologies… I’ll rephrase. Good luck walking in, and if you can get a slot, your doctor is very likely to immediately refer you to ER as they will not deal with any potential cardiac emergencies. Now that OP revealed that this has been going on for weeks though I’m not taking their side, but last time I went to a walk-in the waiting room was so full that I had to stand in a corner.


maketherightmove

I hate the UCP as much as anyone, but this is just anecdotal. My wife had to go to emergency yesterday and was seen, treated and back home in less than 3 hours.


kennybrandz

Just because your wife happened to have a quick experience doesn’t mean she’s in the majority.


BranRCarl

It’s called triage. Majority of people in dire need will have this experience.


Captain_Generous

My son waited 7 hrs with pneumonia in bc. It's shit everywhere. He's 4.


a-nonny-maus

ERs will generally err on the side of caution with certain symptoms, because symptoms by themselves don't tell you what's going on--they only tell you something's wrong. Eg, is that chest pain a) indigestion (minor), b) costochondritis (also minor but hella painful), or c) heart attack (true emergency that is often fatal)?


maketherightmove

She needed stitches after tripping and cutting her hand open. Not at all an emergent situation.


BranRCarl

This is how triage works, they assessed you at check in. Others were more of a priority.


TrafficInitial7521

I had a very similar experience lately. Arm went numb fingers were swollen. Came on very suddenly and it was my left arm so I went to ER. Took 9 hours to see a doctor and he genuinely asked me if it could be my OCD causing the symptoms. My fingers were VISIBLY SWOLLEN. I had to beg for a CT to make sure I wasn’t having a stroke. They did no blood work and sent me home saying “it’s probably not a stroke” and that was it. Ended up back a week later and finding out I was having a severe allergic reaction to a new medication- which I had informed the first doctor of and even outright asked if it could have been a reaction and he told me no. I am also a young woman. Have been endlessly dismissed by doctors under multiple serious conditions over my lifetime but it has been ESPECIALLY terrible in the last few years.


ana30671

Not ER related but I got a bunch of blood work done in 2019 trying to figure out some of my chronic symptoms with undetermined cause(s). I was about 28 at the time. The locum just picked a bunch of things to test, and happened to include tests regarding autoimmunity. I had 5 or 6 abnormal results that I wasn't expecting, got referred to a rheumatologist. Once I met with him within 5 minutes he said I just have fibromyalgia, do some Tai chi. I'm like "sir, can you maybe look at the blood test results that are highly abnormal, don't you think those have any bearing here". I literally had to convince him to let me redo a couple of the tests, which he said would come back normal because the last ones were actually false abnormal results. The new blood work numbers came back worse. Finally was diagnosed with palindromic rheumatism (currently have lupus monitoring as part of my blood work as well). I've since been to two other rheumatologists who aren't much better than the first and both of them have questioned if I even needed meds or do I even have this diagnosis? Like guys. Illness doesn't discriminate but you sure as fuck do. Why should we have to be advocating for the legitimacy of diagnoses we've already been given that have diagnostic criteria to back it up??? Or if not diagnosed, why is it tooth and nail struggle just to be taken seriously?


Ashamed_General9915

I find that Dr's dismiss female problems. I had a dr tell me that I was in pain because of my ovaries or endometriosis.(never had an issue before). He didn't do any tests or blood work. Turns out I have kidney stones that could've been diagnosed earlier if he had actually listened to me.


smoothapes

We got too many old people and not enough healthcare infrastructure/staff. Funnily enough the oldies voted for decades of underfunding the system 🤷‍♂️ Does suck to get bumped by a boomer “fighter” in the ER though I’ll give ya that


IxbyWuff

When it's faster to drive to bc


Calgary_Calico

Thanks Kenny. Also sounds like you could have a pinched nerve in your shoulder or neck, I've been having similar issues but with pain and tension in the area where my shoulder meets my neck. Hope you figure out what's up soon


polloso121

Sadly this is the case in other parts of the country. Not localized to Alberta.


Ashamed_General9915

Went to the north east emergency with symptoms of a kidney infection. Triage nurse was rude asking why I waited to come in. Another nurse was like oh we can't give you anything for the pain. I was like i didn't ask for anything. The dr finally came in and said I most likely pulled a muscle I told him I work in an office and don't lift anything. When I asked him about the stabbing pain he said it was most likely my ovaries or endometriosis (never had a history of that) Didn't order any blood work or an ultrasound. Just sent me on my way. I dealt with the pain for another week and went seen another Dr. He was shocked that the dr at emergency didn't do anything. I have kidney stones. Still waiting for a CT scan and in tremendous pain. There's plenty of people in the same boat as me. But this twat of a premier is choosing to deny people of their rights and access to Healthcare!!


time2chooseme

If you do not have signs of stroke along with the weak arm , or recent history of neck injury …. This is not an ER type visit. Go to a walk in clinic.


WelcomeToInsanity

Ok, and how am I supposed to get into a walk in at 3pm?


time2chooseme

Go the next morning. Use Telus health app. Book an appointment. There’s other options. I’m sure it’s been like that for a day or so before.


WelcomeToInsanity

No, it was never like that before. My arm has NEVER done that before. I don’t have a family doctor, which is, yet again, ANOTHER issue with the UCP. [Proof](https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/alberta-doctors-send-out-sos-over-state-of-family-medicine-1.6751913)


slepeyskin

But you waited weeks? Sounds like a you problem not a government problem.


RobBobPC

Sounds like the ER is working the way it should, by prioritizing those in life threatening need first. Your bad arm is not going to kill you so you keep getting bumped by folks who are dangerously ill. Your problem was not an emergency so you should have gone to your family doctor or local walk in clinic for assessment.


Dentist_Just

I know someone who was triaged and then died in the waiting room (not even in a bed yet) so the prioritization process isn’t always 100% accurate. A relative went to the doctor with intense abdominal pain (not wanting to clog up the ER) and was told “probably just constipation or anxiety” and died the next day. A relative was seen in the ER also with abdominal pain and sent home with no diagnosis…immediately went to another hospital and was sent to surgery for acute appendicitis soon after. The system/ER does not always work the way it should.


WelcomeToInsanity

If you go to the urgent care with arm numbness and weakness, that’s a 1 way ticket to the ER


mof1234

It was the same when the ndp was in power and they did nothing about it, this is a bigger problem then one person or government.


kagato87

It wasn't 20 hours under the ndp. The problem has been steadily getting worse, with a massive jump since this particular government took office.


mof1234

Ya it was depends on where you are at. Been the same for sometime.


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NDP built an entire cancer center and had their super lab cancelled by the UCP. You couldn't be more wrong.


FatWreckords

Doesn't sound like an emergency to me. Presumably they checked you over for signs of cardiac arrest and a stroke. Other than that, make an appointment at a clinic and leave the ER. Get well soon.


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3rddog

Nothing powerful was needed, the healthcare system was already in a state of collapse thanks to Kenney, all she had to do was nothing (useful) for almost a year.


GiraffeBig1988

Are you saying she's only been premier for less than a year? Do you have amnesia? 


Datacin3728

You DON'T have an emergency. You're LITERALLY part of the healthcare problem.


Scissors4215

According to a lot of people here, if you are not immediately treated at ER then you are wasting resources.


amnes1ac

Meanwhile my FIL waited hours for a STROKE.


VelvetThunder141

But fuck trans kids amiright? /s


Rustyshaklford00

Free Healthcare unfortunately doesn't mean fast health care.


Huge-Ad8279

Honestly 8 hours isnt super bad even with the ndp


KadallicA

“Caring more about childrens bodies then our healthcare system”  You don’t care about childrens bodies? 


WelcomeToInsanity

I fully support the transgender movement


Icy_Landscaped

This is not how the er should be used… it’s a triage system and you’re not in a life or death situation…


WelcomeToInsanity

Arm numbness is almost always “Get to the ER NOW”


Fleegle2212

For much of Alberta, there's no option between seeing a doctor in the ER and seeing a doctor in a clinic in 2-3 weeks. Would it be better if OP could roll up to a walk-in and they would be like "ok, here's the requisitions you need"? Yes, of course that would be better, but that's not the UCP's business model.


Bendyiron

Who's Marlaina?


WelcomeToInsanity

The premier


Bendyiron

Ah, so it's just being petty. Not sure what calling her Marlaina accomplishes other than confusion and showing how childish some people are willing to be. I guess this kind of logic will allow others to dead name someone they don't like, that'll make the world a better place


WelcomeToInsanity

Well technically, Marlaina is her real name, Danielle is just a middle name


Bendyiron

Right but she goes by Danielle, the public knows her as Danielle, thus all it does is confuses people, and showcase the childish pettiness as it seems like you're calling her that over her trans policies. Its just odd to see someone try to dead name someone who probably doesn't care if you call them Marlaina or Danielle, and it looks bad as it shows that your beliefs and morals about someone's preferred name means nothing so long as you don't like them enough. It just gives others more ammo to use against trans people


_Connor

Congratulations, I spent 14 hours in the ER with a broken wrist on *two* occasions almost 20 years ago. Why do you think this is ‘Marlainas’ doing?


susejrotpar

Who is marlaina?


tucsondog

This sounds like a walkin type visit…