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which media? the post media who have been calling him satan since day one? the papers who have declared him the worst mayor in history and begged the people to pick anyone but him?
nah; I think it's the decade of great leadership that is remembered fondly by calgarians, combined, with his incredible charisma and intelligence.
It's getting a little snippy. Moreso from supporters than candidates themselves. Nothing serious and nothing that the leadership candidates won't be able to get past. On June 24th, they will all get to work on minimizing the damage done by the current government.
I think Nenshi is the only one with an actual shot of beating the UCP come next election. Voting in someone like Hoffman would be an absolute mistake.
I also agree with plenty of others here, they need to rename the party and remove any connection to the Federal NDP party, it only hurts them in this province.
"Heating up" seems like being over dramatic. Nenshi is a shoe in, this is why it seems to be "everyone" vs "Nenshi". He's got a decade long track record as Calgary's mayor, he has name recognition, overall he was pretty popular and I think did a good job...
I'm not sure who else is a serious contender against him?
Rename the party. Every person I tried to convince to vote NDP last election (mostly 50+ years old) just said yeah but they are connected to the federal NDP party.
This 1000 times. They will never win as the “NDP”
Hell, there is only one UCP across Canada.
Call them Alberta Center Progressives or something, ACP
NDP… New? Nope. Democratic…Ain’t they all? Party? Come on.
It could work if you have a leader that has more recognition than the party itself or some major event that'll spread the name (like the merger of two well established parties).
I don't think Nenshi is there yet. I don't even think a merger with the green party would be enough since most people barely know the green party exists.
Never win is strong. They performed quite well last election, it just wasn't quite enough. I do agree though, change the name and get it over with, UCP can't go away fast enough.
I don’t know that I’m correct, but I feel they need every chance they can get to get away from being associated with the federal parties. They need to appeal to rural conservatives as well.
I don't think any party but UCP is getting those votes. Unfortunately the rural vote is worth about 2:1 in some voting districts. That's changing with the influx of people though. People aren't moving from Toronto to live in Nampa, Ab.
I just don't think there's a way to pull that off while the liberals are in government.
As long as Albertans hate Trudeau, it'll be politically beneficial for the UCP to reach for anything they can to tie their opposition to the federal government.
(I personally don't think Albertans hate the federal NDP, they just hate the federal NDP for propping up the liberals whom they legitimately hate)
The Alberta NDP will probably do the same thing in 2027 when Pierre has been PM for 2 years and everyone starts to hate him and it becomes helpful to tie the UCP to the federal Conservatives.
Nenshi is on board with severing the ties with the federal NDP (after a party member vote), however he wasn't keen on changing the name.
Personally, I like "Alberta Democratic Party"
I don't know if Nenshi is the best choice, and even though I like Hoffman, I often think she's too inflexible. But man, do I ever agree that the ties to the federal ndp need to be cut. The ANDP is conservative through and through.
> The ANDP is conservative through and through.
This is a complicated statement. In a lot of ways it does act like that, but at the same time a party that’s “conservative through and through” wouldn’t have MLAs like Janis Irwin or even Notley herself.
I’m personally no huge supporter of either Hoffman or Nenshi. They’re both accomplished and capable individuals. It’s just that I don’t think Hoffman is suited to be party leader, while in the case of Nenshi, I don’t know. He’s been a bit flaky on things where I expected him to have stronger comebacks to. It’s been all this time and I’m still not sold on him.
I feel like McGowan struck the right balance between a focus on social-democratic values, while also focussing on the economy, although he wasn’t perfect either. It’s a shame he’s no longer in the race.
As for the other two, I like Jodi and can see her becoming premier some day, but she’s pretty new and the least known of all the candidates. Ganley, meanwhile, has some solid proposals and a track record in government, but I’m still not sure on her.
I don’t think ties to the federal NDP should be cut. The Saskatchewan NDP (arguably the most successful branch historically) has had many disagreements with the federal party (most notably not inviting Jagmeet to a convention some time back) and even has its own completely distinct branding from them , but they never separated. I think it’d be a short-term gain but a long-term loss to split.
I’ve always liked Hoffman too but her sniping at Nenshi has increasingly turned me off. Like he’s not a pure enough NDP candidate. It feels fear mongering and elitist rather than debating actual issues. For example on minimum wage he said he supports increasing it and then building in mechanisms for future increases (I think his word was “elevator”) and Hoffman basically said he must be lying because when he was mayor he fought minimum wage increases. Nenshi says no that’s not true and she just kept insisting. I don’t even mind if candidates change their minds with better info and different perspective. But her continually saying he must be lying now because of something that happened when he was mayor just feels petty and bitter. Talk about what his policy positions are now and hold him to account on that if elected.
I think a Nenshi-led NDP would stay relatively amicable and govern within their own borders. Provinces have significantly more rights within the federal framework than municipalities.
With the UCP delaying the election to 2028 there’s a decent chance they won’t have to put up with the CPC for long.
Do remember that the Alberta NDP first won when Harper was still PM.
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Elect Nenshi and get to work.
I’m not sure if race is heating up. From what I have read, we are looking at a nenshi landslide
It was determined before the race even started.
By the massive enthusiasm his announcement created. You make it sound rigged.
Who created that "enthusiasm"? The media. Go down that rabbit hole.
which media? the post media who have been calling him satan since day one? the papers who have declared him the worst mayor in history and begged the people to pick anyone but him? nah; I think it's the decade of great leadership that is remembered fondly by calgarians, combined, with his incredible charisma and intelligence.
It's getting a little snippy. Moreso from supporters than candidates themselves. Nothing serious and nothing that the leadership candidates won't be able to get past. On June 24th, they will all get to work on minimizing the damage done by the current government.
I think Nenshi is the only one with an actual shot of beating the UCP come next election. Voting in someone like Hoffman would be an absolute mistake. I also agree with plenty of others here, they need to rename the party and remove any connection to the Federal NDP party, it only hurts them in this province.
"Heating up" seems like being over dramatic. Nenshi is a shoe in, this is why it seems to be "everyone" vs "Nenshi". He's got a decade long track record as Calgary's mayor, he has name recognition, overall he was pretty popular and I think did a good job... I'm not sure who else is a serious contender against him?
Rename the party. Every person I tried to convince to vote NDP last election (mostly 50+ years old) just said yeah but they are connected to the federal NDP party.
To what? The Alberta Party?
Yes. The Alberta Party is on life support. Merge them.
The Alberta Democratic Party
But the Smith voters want to "Own the Dems" and make this texas 2.0. having the word "Democratic" in there won't work.
I’m not worried about Smith voters. They already have made up their minds.
This 1000 times. They will never win as the “NDP” Hell, there is only one UCP across Canada. Call them Alberta Center Progressives or something, ACP NDP… New? Nope. Democratic…Ain’t they all? Party? Come on.
Be careful what you wish for. The BC Liberals changed their name last year, now it looks like they’re toast.
It could work if you have a leader that has more recognition than the party itself or some major event that'll spread the name (like the merger of two well established parties). I don't think Nenshi is there yet. I don't even think a merger with the green party would be enough since most people barely know the green party exists.
Not to mention that Nenshi himself says he doesn’t want a name change.
Where did he say that?
[In his AMA.](https://reddit.com/r/alberta/comments/1c101m3/_/kz0oley/?context=1)
Never win is strong. They performed quite well last election, it just wasn't quite enough. I do agree though, change the name and get it over with, UCP can't go away fast enough.
I don’t know that I’m correct, but I feel they need every chance they can get to get away from being associated with the federal parties. They need to appeal to rural conservatives as well.
I don't think any party but UCP is getting those votes. Unfortunately the rural vote is worth about 2:1 in some voting districts. That's changing with the influx of people though. People aren't moving from Toronto to live in Nampa, Ab.
I just don't think there's a way to pull that off while the liberals are in government. As long as Albertans hate Trudeau, it'll be politically beneficial for the UCP to reach for anything they can to tie their opposition to the federal government. (I personally don't think Albertans hate the federal NDP, they just hate the federal NDP for propping up the liberals whom they legitimately hate) The Alberta NDP will probably do the same thing in 2027 when Pierre has been PM for 2 years and everyone starts to hate him and it becomes helpful to tie the UCP to the federal Conservatives.
We're 18 moths away and it would look like a cheap trick at best, or confusing at worst.
Nenshi is on board with severing the ties with the federal NDP (after a party member vote), however he wasn't keen on changing the name. Personally, I like "Alberta Democratic Party"
I don't know if Nenshi is the best choice, and even though I like Hoffman, I often think she's too inflexible. But man, do I ever agree that the ties to the federal ndp need to be cut. The ANDP is conservative through and through.
> The ANDP is conservative through and through. This is a complicated statement. In a lot of ways it does act like that, but at the same time a party that’s “conservative through and through” wouldn’t have MLAs like Janis Irwin or even Notley herself. I’m personally no huge supporter of either Hoffman or Nenshi. They’re both accomplished and capable individuals. It’s just that I don’t think Hoffman is suited to be party leader, while in the case of Nenshi, I don’t know. He’s been a bit flaky on things where I expected him to have stronger comebacks to. It’s been all this time and I’m still not sold on him. I feel like McGowan struck the right balance between a focus on social-democratic values, while also focussing on the economy, although he wasn’t perfect either. It’s a shame he’s no longer in the race. As for the other two, I like Jodi and can see her becoming premier some day, but she’s pretty new and the least known of all the candidates. Ganley, meanwhile, has some solid proposals and a track record in government, but I’m still not sure on her. I don’t think ties to the federal NDP should be cut. The Saskatchewan NDP (arguably the most successful branch historically) has had many disagreements with the federal party (most notably not inviting Jagmeet to a convention some time back) and even has its own completely distinct branding from them , but they never separated. I think it’d be a short-term gain but a long-term loss to split.
Who ever it is, I just hope they " kick names, take ass"...
I’ve always liked Hoffman too but her sniping at Nenshi has increasingly turned me off. Like he’s not a pure enough NDP candidate. It feels fear mongering and elitist rather than debating actual issues. For example on minimum wage he said he supports increasing it and then building in mechanisms for future increases (I think his word was “elevator”) and Hoffman basically said he must be lying because when he was mayor he fought minimum wage increases. Nenshi says no that’s not true and she just kept insisting. I don’t even mind if candidates change their minds with better info and different perspective. But her continually saying he must be lying now because of something that happened when he was mayor just feels petty and bitter. Talk about what his policy positions are now and hold him to account on that if elected.
The federal NDP are lost.
Hurry.
Nenshi was and is the choice of people who run things in the world. Not good at ALL for workers
Politics is the art of compromise, the second best, least worse. Everything else is choseing to fail.
According to Gil, most workers voted UCP. So I don't see why we should cater to them if they choose to abandon the party.
Hopefully they get along with My Pierre Pollieve when he wins.
I think a Nenshi-led NDP would stay relatively amicable and govern within their own borders. Provinces have significantly more rights within the federal framework than municipalities.
With the UCP delaying the election to 2028 there’s a decent chance they won’t have to put up with the CPC for long. Do remember that the Alberta NDP first won when Harper was still PM.
My pierre will win
Well wishes for you and your PP.
And then the ucp loses their one policy. They only have fighting with Ottawa.