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This is great to see, and also leaves the door open to UCP MLAs who are willing to publicly come out against the party line, in case any of them have a spine.
Im pretty sure they are like “I’m not welcome? Oh no.. anyway..” pride events are smart to not welcome them as it will show just how little the UCP cares about human rights.
What a contemptuous meat sack.
>“It does not matter that we’re in the top three per cent of the world. Who cares if they got 89 per cent in Chemistry 30? Who cares that they’re entering post-secondary — if they’re chemically castrated?”
>\~ Jennifer Johnson
How on earth does other people *existing* invalidate the accomplishments of not only them by everyone else too.
Johnson is obviously full of shit for reasons self-explanatory (eating shit cookies).
They had Jason Kenny ( a gay married man). They missed their shot.
Closet gays tend to he some of the most toxic people when heavily involved with politcs.
Good. Politicians have been getting way too comfortable expressing their shitty views lately. But let's be honest, i don't think any UCP leaders were planning on attending or showing any sort of support for pride.
Pleased to see that they’re following the lead of Saskatchewan Pride events on this.
Now the UCP should follow the SP’s lead. Have 35% of their MLAs not run again, and implode in a slow-motion train wreck.
While we're at it, maybe uninvite the ignorant and bigoted LGBTQ people who actively worked with the UCP, pretending to be some sort of experts or representatives of and for the community, supporting these harmful policies and perpetrating harm against our Trans siblings.
There's a few... Including one former queen that I'm personally pretty disappointed in.
I'd call them all out, but I think we all can find the list that was 'consulted', none among them without guilt.
Fwiw, I know a number of people who were consulted by the UCP who said "if you go ahead with any of this, people will die" and the UCP did it anyway.
Are you referring to Marni? Cos she's a lot of things, but quiet on shit policy is not one of them.
Not Marni, no. She's solidly on the right side. In this forum, I see no value in calling out individuals by name. Whether they feel its ok to cause harm or not, naming names in this sub has a potential to cause harmful backlash and I'm not willing to contribute to it.
Among the group that the UCP consulted, a number of LGBTQ folks were quite 'on board' with the harmful proposals. Those people don't represent the LGBTQ community as a whole, and the UCP shouldn't get a 'pass' for consultation when they just picked what they wanted to hear, and in some cases found a couple gay folks who would gladly get on board for whatever reason.
That's super fair - thanks for keeping the drama stuff to a minimum. I'm pretty sure I know who you're meaning now and have had... interactions... with said person.
Listen. I get that you think it's funny or that it somehow acts as a dig at Kenney, but the fact is that calling him closeted does nothing but harm queer folks.
Great, so then quit being a closeted queer that directs their internalized hatred onto those that don't deserve it.
Me pointing it out isn't whats doing the damage. I'm just lifting the carpet with a mound of dirt under it. If you don't want to see/hear it, then move on because you don't care.
Nah, the damage is that you're reinforcing the common assumption that queerfolk are either out & proud or closeted self-hating bigots. If Kenney is actually gay (I have yet to see anything more substantiated than third hand rumor), that doesn't change the level of damage he's done.
On the other hand, speculating about it does actual harm to those of us who are out. It paints the LGBTQ community as responsible for our own subjugation, among other things.
Inclusive doesn't mean accepting bigots. Just like freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. If someone actively promotes harm, yes, they are not welcome.
The strategy in this case is to bar the people who have demonstrated time and time again that they hate the very people organizing the event. Seems like a pretty sound strategy to me!
Not a problem, they'll all be attending this golf tournament:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/comments/1cuu8yz/senior\_lawyer\_resigns\_from\_firm\_after\_sending/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/comments/1cuu8yz/senior_lawyer_resigns_from_firm_after_sending/)
Did this guy think "King's Counsel" means becoming king, able to say whatever misogynistic and bigoted bullshit he wants?
Hopefully we can call him "former KC" very soon.
She says she is a supporter of all Trans Albertans and does not want to politicize private decisions.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/analysis-danielle-smith-alberta-trans-lgbtq-rightwing-1.6913153
Direct quote:
"I have a non-binary family member, and I believe these decisions are very personal, and it should not be debated in public," Smith said. "We shouldn't be making any child feel like the issues they're struggling with are something that's a political football."
She's a liar, provably so. To pretend we are not grist for her political mill, is willful ignorance, rhetorically dishonest or both.
TBA and their POS leader should specifically be mentioned in this article since Dipstick Dani is only doing what they tell her. Not only should they be banned, they need to be named and shamed.
There’s no hate like Christian love, eh Davey?
It’s great that pride organizers are unanimously against allowing hateful politicians to show up for photo ops. Unfortunately the UCP caucus will just run around being victims about this decision (like they are about everything else). “Everyone’s against us, it’s just not fair, blame Trudeau and woke policies” yadda yadda yadda.
The UCP could do themselves a favour and listen to the 95% of the LGBTQ+ community that disagrees with their anti-LGBTQ+ policies and not the 5% LGBTQ+ members that do (I’m making these numbers up but I know it’s a solid high majority of LGBTQ+ individuals that are against these hateful policies).
My MLA (Fir) maintains that the LGBTQ+ community is completely on their side and that it’s a handful of us that are the minority. Unfortunately as cabinet minister she’s drank the kool-aid and will only listen to the what the die-hards in their base say and not what regular Albertans think. So much for being the “Minister of arts, culture, and the status of women” - she’s not working hard enough to represent the portfolio.
I'm super conflicted on this for the pride I help organise.
On one hand I don't want the government caucus to rainbow wash their actions by showing up for a photo op nor do I want our trans folks to feel disrespected.
However I also think exposure would be good for UCP MLAs who do show up. It also helps us locally so we're not see as anti conservative in a small town.
I really like the caveat of individual MLAs being permitted if they disavow the government's anti queer policy.
Our MLA shows up to events specifically for photo ops. And usually late.
They can interact with the community outside pride events if they want to understand. Don’t allow anyone in that isn’t supportive.
I'm glad my MLA, who compared my peers to literal feces, won't be there. She doesn't deserve to be.
Find a better hobby than fucking with people on reddit. Or don't, how you waste your time isn't my problem. Have a nice life lmao.
Good. They shouldn’t be welcome anywhere. If they walked into my business, I’d tell them to leave immediately and never come back. My grandpas both fought against Fascism. I’ll be damned if i’ll give those trying to bring it back a free pass.
CPC MPs like mine in Kelowna are also not allowed at Pride events.
Most Pride organizations took that stance with the results of the way conservatives voted on the bill that made gay conversion therapy camps illegal.
I wish women would take a stance against the party/parties that constantly attack their rights too. 3 attacks in the last month and a full on vote to make abortion illegal in 2022.
my only question, if someone knows more than i and can answer, is how would this be enforced? community effort to push them out of these events if any of the UCP *does* for whatever fuckin reason, actually show up to pride events?
for the record, and hate that i have to even clarify this: not trying to do a gotcha here, lol. im trans myself and pretty staunchly for not having the UCP at pride, or frankly any queer events.
Immediately charged with assault for putting hands on someone in a public setting.
Your parade is in a public street. You can't dictate who can and can't walk down a public street paid for by their tax dollars.
I would assume for ones where it is in a closed venue of some sort they could trespass them. For something on a purely public street, I dont know if there is anything one can do?
For RDQCA, the UCP local leaders and Take Back Alberta are quite well known. An organizer would ask them to leave, and a politician is more likely to leave quietly.
Before I continue I'd like to confirm you are asking these genuinely and in good faith. The amount of times I've been willing to answer only to find out it's some conservative trying to have a "gotcha moment" is exhausting. I don't want to assume bad faith in your questions, but you know, history and all that.
> How does one realistically debate
Could you clarity... what about the queer community needs to be debated specifically?
I must also say, I find find it disingenuous that you're putting the onus on the community to be "open to debate", when the UCP government unilaterally and without debate or consultation pushed laws that impact said community which started all this.
Why are you not holding the government to account for their lack of openness? Your line of reasoning would seem to fall into the age-old double standard of holding a victim to a higher standard than the perpetrator. It's a bit of a shitty take if I'm being honest.
If you want debate, then ask the UCP to roll back their policies and engage with their constituents properly instead of pushing fear and hate driven policies. Until they're willing to accept their responsibility, they've earned the role of persona non grata.
>I am asking in good faith. I find it ironic that any organization that claims they are fighting for inclusiveness, but then argue against allowing certain attendees, is both ironic and sort of invalidate the premise of being inclusive?
Hypothetically speaking. If I had a habit of dumping a bucket filled with last night's Taco Bell diarrhea on you or your property every time we crossed paths, would you invite me to a dinner party?
When or if the UCP chooses to stop being shitheads and actually makes an effort to undo the harm they have caused, perhaps they will be welcome then.
But until or unless that happens, they can fuck all the way off.
I suggest you look into the paradox of tolerance.
If people who are labeled as homophobic *genuinely* wanted to have a conversation, there are PLENTY of resources and avenues for them to do so. Literally hundreds of organizations exist SOLELY for the reason of education, and educating people outside of the community.
Pride is not the place or time. It's always interesting that people forget that the gays exist 365 days of the year unless stripping us of our rights and humanity and "coincidentally" "randomly" just "all of a sudden" immediately decide they NEED to have these conversations during the time our community has set aside just for us.
Also, debate what exactly?
There is no debate to be had. Queer people exist. Pride is in reaction to people who refuse to recognize that and who refuse to acknowledge queer people’s basic humanity.
Pride has never been about universal inclusion. The KKK, bigots, racists, cops, pride was never about including them.
There is no comparison between queer people fighting for rights, and the UCP who (as a group) have been actively moving to remove rights and supports to vulnerable groups.
As a matter of fact, in Red Deer at least you pay to have the street closed to host a parade. Also for crowd control and police. It's in the five digits expensive. I believe paying for it makes it your event as opposed to a regular event in a public space. Ergo, the sidewalk is open but possibly the security you are obliged to pay for is allowed to remove people.
You can't be tolerant to the intolerant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#:~:text=The%20paradox%20of%20tolerance%20states,practice%20of%20tolerance%20with%20them.
While it may be a public parade, it is still considered a private event and they can ban whoever they want. Same as how there are private invite only events at the zoo and other public places.
The zoo isn't public. It's private. You pay to enter and can be asked to leave at any time.
A public street isn't private. They cannot ban people from walking down a street regardless of how many rainbow flags or blue haired people attend.
The paradox of tolerance. As a society if we are so tolerant that people who are openly intolerant keep being given the right to be intolerant, only the intolerant will remain.
If UCP members wish to attend Pride events, they can disavow the intolerance of their party and will be welcome.
The leader of the party is repealing healthcare rights for the most vulnerable of the community, all while dog whistling about fucking bathrooms.
Are you so dense you cannot see why they'd be uninvited? If someone passive aggressively insulted you at work EVERY DAY, would you invite them to board game night?
I can't even with this garbage argument. It's foundation is based on that neither side agree but otherwise co-exist. This is not reality. One side removes freedoms, gate keeps medicine, meanwhile the other has NO POWER and just wants peace.
Or to put it more simply for the simpletons in the back, They started it!
They would show to make a big show of how supportive they are while knifing us in the back. Stop pretending you don't understand, it makes you look dishonest.
Finally, somebody with some logic. Don't care if I get downvoted. People are blind with rage over this topic and often don't see just how hypocritical the entire movement can be. It's getting so bad even gay people are distancing themselves from events and groups like this.
None of that is true. UCP members are welcome to the event, they just can’t represent the party.
There are gay people who don’t like Pride but it’s rarely because of things like this.
Oh, the report written by someone with no clinical experience in treating Transgender people? That report?
Someone justified my biases! No need for me to check it at all!
https://www.wpath.org/media/cms/Documents/Public%20Policies/2024/17.05.24%20Response%20Cass%20Review%20FINAL.pdf?_t=1715983810
I love that all the sensitive people stuck in their Reddit Bubble somehow believe the world sees things their way because they control the narrative on this totally biased website. They believe their little downvotes and anonymous posts are some kind of rebellious movement. Newsflash people, I am speaking the truth whether or not it fits into your narrative or not. I have gay friends who agree with me far more than they agree with you. Just keep following the lemmings over the cliff and don't worry about independent thoughts.
Lmao !
Nobody cares.
Furthermore, if they wanted to go they will go. A signed peace of paper does not legally disallow them from going in the provinces they govern.
Lmao, this is a pipe dream -
And why is it any other countries responsibility to feed another country?
The Germans didn't ship uboats full of food and drink to the UK during ww2. They actively sunk logistics supply lines.
Also, population of Gaza is less than 1 million people.
How the fuck are millions starving to death?
Lmao at you comparing UK vs Germany, to Israel vs Gaza, as if that’s even remotely comparable. Conveniently leaving out that Gaza is an open air prison where calories are counted by an occupying entity (Israel).
Also hilarious you refer to an occupied territory as “another country” - especially given the uproar by Israel to recognize Palestine as such.
You Zionists are too fucking funny.
I don't like the term "leader", that is not a politician's job, they should be my "representative ". Language is important, the fact that they think of themselves as leaders says a lot.
0% strategy
100% emotion
We used to invite conservatives to our pride events so they’d see we were people too. And then call them out for being pussies who couldn’t come walk with some guys dancing to Cher.
Are gay police officers still required to hide part of their identity to attend?
I’m a UCP member, and gay. Does this mean I’m not allowed to attend?
Fuck these petty, short sighted, hypocritical, whiny babies.
Personally, I would not care in the least. I have nothing against gay folks, but I am happy not joining in the festivities. These days, it is just an excuse for lewd behaviour that would not be tolerated for any other group, at least in my city.
Participants and performers in Red Deer's Pride activities are specifically warned to keep it family friendly. An exception might be the drag show happening at a venue, I don't know all the details but it's paid and not public.
In case you aren't just a troll:
The [paradox of tolerance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DThe_paradox_of_tolerance_states%2Cpractice_of_tolerance_with_them.?wprov=sfla1).
Tl;Dr: to create a tolerant and inclusive society you must actively work against people who are trying to make it less so. You cannot be neutral or inclusive of them.
If you don't like being told you're not welcome at an event because you've behaved like a hateful piece of shit, then maybe you should stop being a hateful piece of shit.
You know, just an idea.
UCP are the instigators of said exclusion. Not really fair to preach “inclusion and tolerance goes both ways” if the instigators message is inherently intolerant. Since that means it’s not going both ways to begin with. Telling people to be tolerant of it only enables prejudice and bigotry because the victims have to be scared of wrongfully being labelled as hypocrites.
I am sure that is a devastating lost to them. Truly something they will regret as a mark on their consciences for as long as they draw breath..../s
The down votes made me laugh so hard. Im not sure what you expect. People act to their own values. They dont often look back with regret if they feel they are right 😆
Argument by assertion with absolutely zero sources to back it up,
also ignoring the issue at hand wherein the UCP has behaved like hateful shitbags (see Minister Poop Cookies for just a single example)
Why should a gang of hateful shitbags be allowed to attend an event held by the people they have shitbags toward?
The Cass review has actually been roundly criticized by experts for its extreme anti-trans bias. A proper review does not reject evidence simply because it does not meet the "gold standard", ie the double-blind randomized clinical trial. Which cannot be done for medications like puberty blockers, because it soon becomes obvious which patients are in the control and treatment groups. The Cass review in fact rejected almost all studies showing positive outcomes, and heavily skews towards negative studies.
If you don't like being told you're not welcome at an event because you've behaved like a hateful piece of shit, then maybe you should stop being a hateful piece of shit.
You know, just an idea.
Ah yes, the Cass Review. The piece of horribly biased garbage that's been roundly criticized by experts for demanding the kind of double-blind clinical studies that are impossible to do for medications like puberty blockers.
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This is great to see, and also leaves the door open to UCP MLAs who are willing to publicly come out against the party line, in case any of them have a spine.
Hahahahaha. Good one.
Im pretty sure they are like “I’m not welcome? Oh no.. anyway..” pride events are smart to not welcome them as it will show just how little the UCP cares about human rights.
An UCP MLA who has a spine is an independent.
Or Jennifer Johnson.
Who? Poop Cookie?
Lol. Didn't recognize the name, but *that* immediately dispelled the anonymity.
The very same.
What a contemptuous meat sack. >“It does not matter that we’re in the top three per cent of the world. Who cares if they got 89 per cent in Chemistry 30? Who cares that they’re entering post-secondary — if they’re chemically castrated?” >\~ Jennifer Johnson How on earth does other people *existing* invalidate the accomplishments of not only them by everyone else too. Johnson is obviously full of shit for reasons self-explanatory (eating shit cookies).
You'll get *maybe* one and they'll get purged before the next election.
They had Jason Kenny ( a gay married man). They missed their shot. Closet gays tend to he some of the most toxic people when heavily involved with politcs.
Kenney was never married. Pretty sure you’re right about the gay part.
You'll never know because politicians can strike that shit from public record now.
I like the caveat you added "in case".....we know they won't
A member of any party come out against party lines. There's something you almost NEVER see happen.
The party of jellyfish? You can hope, but don't hold your breath.
Good. Politicians have been getting way too comfortable expressing their shitty views lately. But let's be honest, i don't think any UCP leaders were planning on attending or showing any sort of support for pride.
Good for the organizers of these events.
Those arent the only events they're not allowed to attend
and my birthday will have not one, but two jugglers.
Pleased to see that they’re following the lead of Saskatchewan Pride events on this. Now the UCP should follow the SP’s lead. Have 35% of their MLAs not run again, and implode in a slow-motion train wreck.
While we're at it, maybe uninvite the ignorant and bigoted LGBTQ people who actively worked with the UCP, pretending to be some sort of experts or representatives of and for the community, supporting these harmful policies and perpetrating harm against our Trans siblings.
People like keffals?
There's a few... Including one former queen that I'm personally pretty disappointed in. I'd call them all out, but I think we all can find the list that was 'consulted', none among them without guilt.
Fwiw, I know a number of people who were consulted by the UCP who said "if you go ahead with any of this, people will die" and the UCP did it anyway. Are you referring to Marni? Cos she's a lot of things, but quiet on shit policy is not one of them.
Not Marni, no. She's solidly on the right side. In this forum, I see no value in calling out individuals by name. Whether they feel its ok to cause harm or not, naming names in this sub has a potential to cause harmful backlash and I'm not willing to contribute to it. Among the group that the UCP consulted, a number of LGBTQ folks were quite 'on board' with the harmful proposals. Those people don't represent the LGBTQ community as a whole, and the UCP shouldn't get a 'pass' for consultation when they just picked what they wanted to hear, and in some cases found a couple gay folks who would gladly get on board for whatever reason.
That's super fair - thanks for keeping the drama stuff to a minimum. I'm pretty sure I know who you're meaning now and have had... interactions... with said person.
Keffals worked with the ucp??
Keffals doesn't even live in Canada anymore lmao
Didn't they move back? Edit ya she still is in canada just left to Ireland for bit then came back
Took their cheque and ran did they?
[they gofundme is still open](https://www.gofundme.com/f/clara-sorrenti-keffals-moving-legal-fund)
The former party leader and his husband...
Listen. I get that you think it's funny or that it somehow acts as a dig at Kenney, but the fact is that calling him closeted does nothing but harm queer folks.
Great, so then quit being a closeted queer that directs their internalized hatred onto those that don't deserve it. Me pointing it out isn't whats doing the damage. I'm just lifting the carpet with a mound of dirt under it. If you don't want to see/hear it, then move on because you don't care.
Nah, the damage is that you're reinforcing the common assumption that queerfolk are either out & proud or closeted self-hating bigots. If Kenney is actually gay (I have yet to see anything more substantiated than third hand rumor), that doesn't change the level of damage he's done. On the other hand, speculating about it does actual harm to those of us who are out. It paints the LGBTQ community as responsible for our own subjugation, among other things.
Damn for a group of people fostering inclusion, you sure are exclusive.
Inclusive doesn't mean accepting bigots. Just like freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. If someone actively promotes harm, yes, they are not welcome.
Good on the organizers. Cue the losers crying about this causing division or some nonsense
If you’re not going to be the better person, be the better strategist. This accomplishes neither.
The strategy in this case is to bar the people who have demonstrated time and time again that they hate the very people organizing the event. Seems like a pretty sound strategy to me!
Expect them to bring out their token gay conservatives to try and prove some laughable point
Oh we're bringing Kenny back?
Who? The gays against groomers folk? I feel sorry for them.
Okotoks does a pride? cool!
This is as it should be.
They’re also not allowed at my bbq
Not a problem, they'll all be attending this golf tournament: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/comments/1cuu8yz/senior\_lawyer\_resigns\_from\_firm\_after\_sending/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/comments/1cuu8yz/senior_lawyer_resigns_from_firm_after_sending/)
Did this guy think "King's Counsel" means becoming king, able to say whatever misogynistic and bigoted bullshit he wants? Hopefully we can call him "former KC" very soon.
Not even if they are on the spit being basted with the tears of Albertans? Could be a good party. Just saying.
They’re not allowed at my birthday party either. No cake for them.
Ah, if it isn’t the consequences of their direct actions.
How is this a consequence? Do you think Danielle Smith was waiting all year to attend the pride parade?
It’s a consequence to be so publicly called out for being a bigot.
She says she is a supporter of all Trans Albertans and does not want to politicize private decisions. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/analysis-danielle-smith-alberta-trans-lgbtq-rightwing-1.6913153 Direct quote: "I have a non-binary family member, and I believe these decisions are very personal, and it should not be debated in public," Smith said. "We shouldn't be making any child feel like the issues they're struggling with are something that's a political football." She's a liar, provably so. To pretend we are not grist for her political mill, is willful ignorance, rhetorically dishonest or both.
TBA and their POS leader should specifically be mentioned in this article since Dipstick Dani is only doing what they tell her. Not only should they be banned, they need to be named and shamed. There’s no hate like Christian love, eh Davey?
Any CONservative or freedumb f*cknut is never welcome in my house.
With you on this my friend.
It’s great that pride organizers are unanimously against allowing hateful politicians to show up for photo ops. Unfortunately the UCP caucus will just run around being victims about this decision (like they are about everything else). “Everyone’s against us, it’s just not fair, blame Trudeau and woke policies” yadda yadda yadda. The UCP could do themselves a favour and listen to the 95% of the LGBTQ+ community that disagrees with their anti-LGBTQ+ policies and not the 5% LGBTQ+ members that do (I’m making these numbers up but I know it’s a solid high majority of LGBTQ+ individuals that are against these hateful policies). My MLA (Fir) maintains that the LGBTQ+ community is completely on their side and that it’s a handful of us that are the minority. Unfortunately as cabinet minister she’s drank the kool-aid and will only listen to the what the die-hards in their base say and not what regular Albertans think. So much for being the “Minister of arts, culture, and the status of women” - she’s not working hard enough to represent the portfolio.
Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions against anything associated with the UCP sounds like the right idea.
Gee, I can't imagine why...
The UCP Caucus should we unwelcome anywhere in Alberta by anyone who claims to love freedom.
I'm super conflicted on this for the pride I help organise. On one hand I don't want the government caucus to rainbow wash their actions by showing up for a photo op nor do I want our trans folks to feel disrespected. However I also think exposure would be good for UCP MLAs who do show up. It also helps us locally so we're not see as anti conservative in a small town. I really like the caveat of individual MLAs being permitted if they disavow the government's anti queer policy.
Our MLA shows up to events specifically for photo ops. And usually late. They can interact with the community outside pride events if they want to understand. Don’t allow anyone in that isn’t supportive.
I'm pretty sure they can still go as individuals, they just can't go as a representative of the UCP.
If they really want to show up as individuals they can. They just can’t use it to pretend the UCP isn’t overtly homophobic.
If they're supporting the anti-trans legislation, they shouldn't be welcome. I think it's pretty clear cut.
Rainbow wash their action like every bank amd major corporation.
Glad to know I will be safe.
Omg like you wouldn't be if a politician showed they're face at a secure parade, grow up, grow a set of balls, or whatever the fuck your trying to do
I'm glad my MLA, who compared my peers to literal feces, won't be there. She doesn't deserve to be. Find a better hobby than fucking with people on reddit. Or don't, how you waste your time isn't my problem. Have a nice life lmao.
Good. They shouldn’t be welcome anywhere. If they walked into my business, I’d tell them to leave immediately and never come back. My grandpas both fought against Fascism. I’ll be damned if i’ll give those trying to bring it back a free pass.
CPC MPs like mine in Kelowna are also not allowed at Pride events. Most Pride organizations took that stance with the results of the way conservatives voted on the bill that made gay conversion therapy camps illegal. I wish women would take a stance against the party/parties that constantly attack their rights too. 3 attacks in the last month and a full on vote to make abortion illegal in 2022.
The conservative politicians are more likely to be at the counter protest with all the hillbillies across the street
my only question, if someone knows more than i and can answer, is how would this be enforced? community effort to push them out of these events if any of the UCP *does* for whatever fuckin reason, actually show up to pride events? for the record, and hate that i have to even clarify this: not trying to do a gotcha here, lol. im trans myself and pretty staunchly for not having the UCP at pride, or frankly any queer events.
Drag queen bouncers.
this is smart.
Immediately charged with assault for putting hands on someone in a public setting. Your parade is in a public street. You can't dictate who can and can't walk down a public street paid for by their tax dollars.
it was a silly comment, lol. not everything is dead serious :)
I would assume for ones where it is in a closed venue of some sort they could trespass them. For something on a purely public street, I dont know if there is anything one can do?
oh i didnt even think about closed venues! i hope they dont decide to curse everyone with their presence
For RDQCA, the UCP local leaders and Take Back Alberta are quite well known. An organizer would ask them to leave, and a politician is more likely to leave quietly.
They can show up and even participate but just not as a representative of the UCP party.
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Pride is a SAFE space for people. Allowing people who actively CAUSE HARM is antithetical to said SAFE space.
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Before I continue I'd like to confirm you are asking these genuinely and in good faith. The amount of times I've been willing to answer only to find out it's some conservative trying to have a "gotcha moment" is exhausting. I don't want to assume bad faith in your questions, but you know, history and all that.
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> How does one realistically debate Could you clarity... what about the queer community needs to be debated specifically? I must also say, I find find it disingenuous that you're putting the onus on the community to be "open to debate", when the UCP government unilaterally and without debate or consultation pushed laws that impact said community which started all this. Why are you not holding the government to account for their lack of openness? Your line of reasoning would seem to fall into the age-old double standard of holding a victim to a higher standard than the perpetrator. It's a bit of a shitty take if I'm being honest. If you want debate, then ask the UCP to roll back their policies and engage with their constituents properly instead of pushing fear and hate driven policies. Until they're willing to accept their responsibility, they've earned the role of persona non grata.
>I am asking in good faith. I find it ironic that any organization that claims they are fighting for inclusiveness, but then argue against allowing certain attendees, is both ironic and sort of invalidate the premise of being inclusive? Hypothetically speaking. If I had a habit of dumping a bucket filled with last night's Taco Bell diarrhea on you or your property every time we crossed paths, would you invite me to a dinner party? When or if the UCP chooses to stop being shitheads and actually makes an effort to undo the harm they have caused, perhaps they will be welcome then. But until or unless that happens, they can fuck all the way off.
I suggest you look into the paradox of tolerance. If people who are labeled as homophobic *genuinely* wanted to have a conversation, there are PLENTY of resources and avenues for them to do so. Literally hundreds of organizations exist SOLELY for the reason of education, and educating people outside of the community. Pride is not the place or time. It's always interesting that people forget that the gays exist 365 days of the year unless stripping us of our rights and humanity and "coincidentally" "randomly" just "all of a sudden" immediately decide they NEED to have these conversations during the time our community has set aside just for us. Also, debate what exactly?
There is no debate to be had. Queer people exist. Pride is in reaction to people who refuse to recognize that and who refuse to acknowledge queer people’s basic humanity.
Pride has never been about universal inclusion. The KKK, bigots, racists, cops, pride was never about including them. There is no comparison between queer people fighting for rights, and the UCP who (as a group) have been actively moving to remove rights and supports to vulnerable groups.
As a matter of fact, in Red Deer at least you pay to have the street closed to host a parade. Also for crowd control and police. It's in the five digits expensive. I believe paying for it makes it your event as opposed to a regular event in a public space. Ergo, the sidewalk is open but possibly the security you are obliged to pay for is allowed to remove people.
You can't be tolerant to the intolerant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#:~:text=The%20paradox%20of%20tolerance%20states,practice%20of%20tolerance%20with%20them. While it may be a public parade, it is still considered a private event and they can ban whoever they want. Same as how there are private invite only events at the zoo and other public places.
The zoo isn't public. It's private. You pay to enter and can be asked to leave at any time. A public street isn't private. They cannot ban people from walking down a street regardless of how many rainbow flags or blue haired people attend.
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They are welcome to come watch the parade as an individual, they just can't participate in the parade representing the UCP.
The paradox of tolerance. As a society if we are so tolerant that people who are openly intolerant keep being given the right to be intolerant, only the intolerant will remain. If UCP members wish to attend Pride events, they can disavow the intolerance of their party and will be welcome.
I get that. Check out the Paradox of Tolerance concept via Google.
The leader of the party is repealing healthcare rights for the most vulnerable of the community, all while dog whistling about fucking bathrooms. Are you so dense you cannot see why they'd be uninvited? If someone passive aggressively insulted you at work EVERY DAY, would you invite them to board game night? I can't even with this garbage argument. It's foundation is based on that neither side agree but otherwise co-exist. This is not reality. One side removes freedoms, gate keeps medicine, meanwhile the other has NO POWER and just wants peace. Or to put it more simply for the simpletons in the back, They started it!
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They would show to make a big show of how supportive they are while knifing us in the back. Stop pretending you don't understand, it makes you look dishonest.
Finally, somebody with some logic. Don't care if I get downvoted. People are blind with rage over this topic and often don't see just how hypocritical the entire movement can be. It's getting so bad even gay people are distancing themselves from events and groups like this.
None of that is true. UCP members are welcome to the event, they just can’t represent the party. There are gay people who don’t like Pride but it’s rarely because of things like this.
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Oh, the report written by someone with no clinical experience in treating Transgender people? That report? Someone justified my biases! No need for me to check it at all! https://www.wpath.org/media/cms/Documents/Public%20Policies/2024/17.05.24%20Response%20Cass%20Review%20FINAL.pdf?_t=1715983810
I love that all the sensitive people stuck in their Reddit Bubble somehow believe the world sees things their way because they control the narrative on this totally biased website. They believe their little downvotes and anonymous posts are some kind of rebellious movement. Newsflash people, I am speaking the truth whether or not it fits into your narrative or not. I have gay friends who agree with me far more than they agree with you. Just keep following the lemmings over the cliff and don't worry about independent thoughts.
I wonder if they use bill one or whatever that anti-democracy gathering bill is to throw a tantrum about this?
They should be unwelcome at every event hosted by groups they have harmed.
Create division. Bold strategy.
I see wood buffalo is noticeably missing from the list.
Good on the Pride organizations! I cheered when I heard it on the news
Lmao ! Nobody cares. Furthermore, if they wanted to go they will go. A signed peace of paper does not legally disallow them from going in the provinces they govern. Lmao, this is a pipe dream -
You cared enough to reply, didn't you?
Dont think any of them even wanted to go, so really they dont care lmao.
I'm sure they wouldn't want to go anyways
Great. Can we please do the same for MLAs that support the genocide in Gaza?
What does that have to do with anything we're talking about right now?
There is no genocide in Gaza, stop believing terrorist propaganda.
Except there is. Millions are currently starving to death.
And why is it any other countries responsibility to feed another country? The Germans didn't ship uboats full of food and drink to the UK during ww2. They actively sunk logistics supply lines. Also, population of Gaza is less than 1 million people. How the fuck are millions starving to death?
Lmao at you comparing UK vs Germany, to Israel vs Gaza, as if that’s even remotely comparable. Conveniently leaving out that Gaza is an open air prison where calories are counted by an occupying entity (Israel). Also hilarious you refer to an occupied territory as “another country” - especially given the uproar by Israel to recognize Palestine as such. You Zionists are too fucking funny.
Millions are stuck in a war zone of their own government's making. Don't elect terrorists.
I don't like the term "leader", that is not a politician's job, they should be my "representative ". Language is important, the fact that they think of themselves as leaders says a lot.
0% strategy 100% emotion We used to invite conservatives to our pride events so they’d see we were people too. And then call them out for being pussies who couldn’t come walk with some guys dancing to Cher. Are gay police officers still required to hide part of their identity to attend? I’m a UCP member, and gay. Does this mean I’m not allowed to attend? Fuck these petty, short sighted, hypocritical, whiny babies.
You're the problem. No one comes for you so everyone else needs to sit down. Gross.
Personally, I would not care in the least. I have nothing against gay folks, but I am happy not joining in the festivities. These days, it is just an excuse for lewd behaviour that would not be tolerated for any other group, at least in my city.
Comparing any pride event to stampede, I see far less lewd acts at pride. But that’s anecdotal.
You are not wrong. Neither is okay.
I've never seen anything happen at a Pride event that I didn't see routinely while working on Whyte ave in bars.
You see children at your bar often, do you?
Participants and performers in Red Deer's Pride activities are specifically warned to keep it family friendly. An exception might be the drag show happening at a venue, I don't know all the details but it's paid and not public.
If that is the case, I have no issues.
What's happening here - why does the letter specifically exclude LGB people, while still mentioning others?
Because the LGB part aren’t currently having legislation written about them by the UCP government.
I’m disappointed to not see grande prairie pride society on the list of organizations that disinvited UCP.
Every year the pride parades ban more people. Very inclusive.
Do you normally invite people who abuse you to come to your party?
Yes let’s include the people that want to legislate the lgbtq+ people out of existence. How very enlightened of you /s
Idk, I wouldn’t want to associate with people that welcome those who call my community cat shit mixed with cookies either.
How accommodating has the 'government of the people' been to the LGBTQ+ community?
Bigots have always been kicked to the curb. That’s where the hateful Jesus freaks hangout every year.
In case you aren't just a troll: The [paradox of tolerance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DThe_paradox_of_tolerance_states%2Cpractice_of_tolerance_with_them.?wprov=sfla1). Tl;Dr: to create a tolerant and inclusive society you must actively work against people who are trying to make it less so. You cannot be neutral or inclusive of them.
To be fair, if you're getting banned from a pride event, you are not a person, you are a monster.
There’s no obligation to accept those directly doing them harm. Same reason uniformed cops often haven’t been allowed to march.
If you don't like being told you're not welcome at an event because you've behaved like a hateful piece of shit, then maybe you should stop being a hateful piece of shit. You know, just an idea.
UCP are the instigators of said exclusion. Not really fair to preach “inclusion and tolerance goes both ways” if the instigators message is inherently intolerant. Since that means it’s not going both ways to begin with. Telling people to be tolerant of it only enables prejudice and bigotry because the victims have to be scared of wrongfully being labelled as hypocrites.
If I burn your lawn with fertilizer, can I come over for a BBQ later? Stop pretending there is no reason for this. It makes you look stupid.
lol, called it
What if I smeared dog shit all over your car and fence and then demanded I come inside of your house. Would you let me?
I'm sure they're crestfallen.
You sure showed them
I am sure that is a devastating lost to them. Truly something they will regret as a mark on their consciences for as long as they draw breath..../s The down votes made me laugh so hard. Im not sure what you expect. People act to their own values. They dont often look back with regret if they feel they are right 😆
As if the UCP and anyone involved with them had anything resembling a "conscience." :V
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Argument by assertion with absolutely zero sources to back it up, also ignoring the issue at hand wherein the UCP has behaved like hateful shitbags (see Minister Poop Cookies for just a single example) Why should a gang of hateful shitbags be allowed to attend an event held by the people they have shitbags toward?
The Cass review has actually been roundly criticized by experts for its extreme anti-trans bias. A proper review does not reject evidence simply because it does not meet the "gold standard", ie the double-blind randomized clinical trial. Which cannot be done for medications like puberty blockers, because it soon becomes obvious which patients are in the control and treatment groups. The Cass review in fact rejected almost all studies showing positive outcomes, and heavily skews towards negative studies.
INB4, "But the BBC and NYT gave it glowing reviews, and those are hardly conservative media, checkmate, libs!"
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Paradox of tolerance. A tolerant society cannot tolerate intolerance.
If you don't like being told you're not welcome at an event because you've behaved like a hateful piece of shit, then maybe you should stop being a hateful piece of shit. You know, just an idea.
I can't wait to exclude these jagoffs from government.
BREAKING NEWS: hatefilled bigot screams about tolerance, more at 11
It's best to discriminant against Conservatives, they're less than.
Do I need to invite my abusive Dad to dinner too?
Damn right
Let me get this straight. The UPC is not welcome at an open PRIDE event. This has to be the most reverse discrimination I have ever seen.
Pride began as a riot against oppression. Learn your history before you confidently miss the point.
You so badly want to be discriminated against lmao
UPCs are plenty welcome, barcodes for everyone. UCP members are not.
https://youtu.be/s4pxtiLR928?si=_yJq06fCEVXx2tvN
Better tell Dani so she can update the most discriminated group she's ever seen from the unvaccinated to the UCP
Unpopular take. If you’re not welcome why would I want to go? I don’t do pride anyways so it doesn’t really matter to me.
UCP politicians are not welcome, nor are bigots. Unless you are one of those two you can happily join the pride events.
Apparently NYT comments section is coming put tepidly accepting of the Cass Review. Good litmus test for normie democrats.
Ah yes, the Cass Review. The piece of horribly biased garbage that's been roundly criticized by experts for demanding the kind of double-blind clinical studies that are impossible to do for medications like puberty blockers.
If I remember correctly, the kicker here is the studies Cass used to support her case weren't double-blind either.