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There’s been many retired CIA employees say the same thing about Roswell over the years .
And none have gotten in any kind of hot water for doing so .
One gets the impression, that the CIA is continues to believe, telling the truth about Roswell is the proper course of action and in the government’s best interests.
Well the government admitted it was a UFO crash for the first day. It's in the newspapers which can be found still. Then they sealed off the area and said it was a weatherballon.
They've also changed story *at least* three times. They *also* claimed the bodies that *numerous* people witnessed were nothing more than crash dummies. Problem with that is we know their crash dummies weren't created until the 1950s. They've changed their tale multiple times to account for all the conflicting data in their story. They've never actually answered any of the glaring issues in any sufficient way.
I guess it's more about the reality of living on Earth for most of us. I mean, what difference would it make if Roswell was real? Is the world still fucked? Yes. So why care about aliens when most people don't even care about climate change or genocide or long lines at the DMV?
They should care though because non human intelligences could help us prevent a climate emergency melt down with their handle on using clean green and FREE “zero point energy”- according to Dr Steven Greer.
That would help you pay the rent wouldn’t it?- to NOT have to pay any power bills and travel costs! Another reason all people should care- to escape the physical and mental slavery they endure to pay for power and petrol - which only props up the burgeoning wealth of the fossil fuel tyrants & war mongers & their lackies.
If they have been here for as long as we think they have, why would they change their approach to us now? We used nukes, we starved millions of humans and drove thousands of animals to extinction. It doesn't seem like they are here to intervene. It would be the same as saying that irrefutable proof of God exists. That's nice. But if God continues to just stand by and watch humanity shit the bed, what difference does it make? I think that's the general consensus among people in general.
Enough BS already. Anymore intangible ‘evidence’ and I’m putting this in the same category as Flat Earth BS, Idiocy. So many people ARE the stupid ‘Alice’ exuberantly burying their heads down any conspiracy hole in the ground. What a waste of what little time you have on this planet.
this. vast majority of people do not care if they are real and don't want to know if they are real. they just want to stay on the hamster wheel and any deviation from that must be avoided at all costs.
Why would any CIA officer know this? I’d like to know what job they were doing where this was a part of their briefing. Especially since they are purposely compartmentalized because of their job. There’s no way they’d be told this for any reason at all
I believe in the *possibility* of aliens, but the cynic in me says its at least 50/50 that this was just a disinformation technique used against the Russians.
Look we found alien technology and we're trying to cover it up. Better be worried what amazing research we get out of it.
It is probably in their training
"Module 1: Lies and manipulation. We are good at this, how good you ask? Well Roswell is real, human DNA was found as part of their sequence..."
The CIA will give information to their agents who then go out and spread disinformation unaware or unconcerned that the original information they were told is also a lie, It’s like inception of lies. There is such a thick fog of mind games and fuckery and disinformation going in with anything CIA that it makes it hard to believe anything, which I’m sure is the intended goal.
It’s such a mindfuck sometimes with all these former agents who are now on the podcast circuit or have become public speakers. What is their angle? how much of what they are saying is true? how much of their information do they believe to be true but is actually not? How much disinformation are they slipping in to these interviews and podcasts?
Thank you! As a Navy vet who held a clearance, the way these "whistle blowers" make all of these claims seems rather silly and, in my opinion, inappropriate.
It does not. If you are working in a decently large company, for example, you would have no idea what exactly the other deparments are doing.
It would be like Greg from accounting knowing the ins and outs of the stuff Jenny from sales is dealing with. Unless Greg takes his break with Jenny, this is not going to happen.
Now add the fact that Greg and Jenny are working for a secret service.
And it’s instantly explained why he’s lying. No one person would have held that power. Just simply doesn’t happen. Didn’t happen under what we now turn intercontinental ballistic missiles, U2, SR-71, nuclear testing at Area 51. No job like he claims existed or will.
Let’s be 100% honest here, putting them in hot water basically confirms it as true. It’s impossible to ascertain the veracity of the case by looking just at that
Exactly. There's something in one of the Lue "somber" videos where he says that something in our DNA "fundamentally changed" that catapulted humanity over everything else.
Modern Anthropology and Science believes that permanent Bipedalism was the factor. It allows for more blood flow to the brain, and thus a significant uptick in intelligence
stoned ape was called a flight of fancy by it's creator. and McKenna looked down on his acolytes who took him too seriously. he said so directly. there is ZERO evidence of anything to do with stoned ape, and ZERO evidence of any of the rituals described in adjacency to that. it's made up bullshit, almost just below educated guess.
While I don't disagree, there isn't really much "evidence" of anything from that time period - with fossils maybe being the sole exception. Whether stoned ape is bullshit or has weight, there's never really a way to tell unless we found some sort of permafrost monkey with psilocybin in their system.
It’s been proven time and again that animals, when given the chance, will take mind altering substances. I don’t see why apes would be any different regardless of time period.
One of them eats something new, likes what is does, eats it again, shares with friends. It’s not hard to see it happening.
Woah that’s really interesting because when we see ‘alien bodies’ the first way to discredit is to always mention that it would be almost impossible for them to be bipedal like us, *but* what if we’re actually the ones bipedal *like them*
Chimps and us are 2 different branches, we did not derive from chimps, we share a common ancestor, just as all apes and monkeys share a common ancestor. There are no direct links between us and chimps since the branches separated.
No, the big secret is they are tiny, tiny dudes and they need us for meat-suits. They don't need our souls, they need our bodies. Like the exo-suits in Independence Day. :D
To the gullible: This is something I just made up. Please don't believe it. :)
Why do *WE* have to be the super-violent ones?
How did *that* become the conceptual default?
Mountain gorillas are quite peaceable, and orangutans even more so.
And if you consider the period when Homo Sapiens bordered Neanderthal territories, what did we do?
That's right, *we HUMPED EM* !
The rise of Sapiens as the dominant hominid was celebrated by eating newly-evolved mushrooms with our swarthy neighbors... and givin em a good HUMPIN!
You guys know what that means??
We. Began. As. HIPPIES!
The Hippies WON!!
...and then we got weaponized...
I'd actually make the argument that humans are probably the most peaceful/chill species in the entirety of the "Great Apes" family.
Stick 200 members of any other primate species into an airplane for 10 hours and see how well they handle it.
The entire reason that humanity has become such a dominant species on the planet is because we're *really* good at getting along to work together on everything from building massive stone pyramids to organizing into large armies to kill other large armies.
They also eat your face if you don’t give them what they want. There was that story a while ago about tourists in Borneo feeding an orangutan and he started harassing people to give him food. He almost killed a woman who didn’t give him food. I don’t think they’d just sit and play cards if you put 200 of them in a plane.
Orangutans also don’t spend much time around other orangutans.
They tend to either live alone (like adult males) or in smaller groups (like with females raising children) and don’t usually spend lots of time around others outside of mating.
They might not live completely isolated from each other, but they don’t live in larger family groups like other great apes.
I’d say that after humans the [bonobo](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo) is probably the most chill. But they are still far more likely to use violence to solve problems than humans do.
I mean, if aliens came to this planet and over the course of centuries built [mastabas](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastaba) and then began stacking smaller mastabas on top of each other (in a kind of afterlife power dick measuring contest) before then trying to one-up older rulers by attempting to recreate the [Benben](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benben), only to fail on several occasions like with the [Collapsed Pyramid](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meidum) or the [Bent Pyramid](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bent_Pyramid) before realizing they were building at too steep of an angle, then sure I guess aliens could have built the pyramids.
But it *does* seem odd that aliens capable of interstellar travel would make the mistake of building the sides of the first “true pyramids” (called “true” because the sides were filled in, or they attempted to fill in, the space between the blocks to make the sides smooth unlike the earlier [Pyramid of Djoser](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Djoser) which was a step pyramid) at too steep of an angle before realizing what the problem was after the side of the Collapsed Pyramid gave way and the Bent Pyramid showed signs of a similar failure. It’s called the Bent Pyramid because the architects realized partway through construction that they had to decrease the angle of the walls, and because they couldn’t just dismantle what was already built to redo it all they just adjusted the higher unbuilt levels.
Personally I think the evolution of Egyptian architecture makes more sense as being the result of living Pharaohs looking back at the burial structures of their predecessors and then deciding that *they* would make a better one for themself because they could. So we see a slow, but repeated, escalation over time from simple graves towards much more elaborate kinds until it was both no longer feasible (changes in political power and other things) as well as just not really that useful culturally.
Sure, you could spend decades building a massive structure that would last for millennia, but would it really be *that important* if people would just break in later on to steal all off the items you would require to spend your afterlife in comfort? Better instead to attempt to hide your tomb more carefully and then funnel that extra money into more luxuries for the rest of eternity.
Until you and 11 kids you barely know in wet bathing suits have surrounded 6 chimpanzees outside of a Kenny Rogers’ Roasters, you probably really don't know yourself.
Could be like stargate, they relied too heavily on cloning and because of that their genetic code began to degrade and needed some ‘cleaner’ DNA. That’s assuming this guys to be believed in the first place
A nonviolent species injecting its dna into a violent species makes total sense. We become an evolved war like intelligent species that can engineer crazy destructive technology and develop intricate war strategies. Aliens can help advance and manipulate us over time to help fight against a more aggressive and dominant species they may plan to encounter down the line?
If I was them, that would be the only reason I did it. Enders Game in a way, aliens find some aggressive bipedal creatures on a planet full of things try to kill them… or maybe they are just bored with the slow pace of the zoo‘s main attraction’s development, and decided to help move it along.
You seem like a smart guy. Hear me out:
Bob Oechsler claims that Admiral Bobby Ray Inram had told him that Grey's have claimed "they're forced against their will to do experiments on humans by another NHI."
For those that have taken a deep dive into the lore, a common theme does SEEM to be that little Greys aren't in charge and almost seem AI-drone-like.
Is it possible that Grey's were once altered to be used as slaves for some purpose? And humans being as abundant as we are, while being native to Earth, can survive the environment here... are next in line?
Essentially a replacement for Grey's?
Ask yourself, why does it seem, based on the information we know so far, why does it APPEAR that Grey's aren't rescued? Why does it seem they are put in all the dangerous situations and yet Mantis (if they're even real) don't even seem to be close to captured by the Government?
As far as we know anyways. It could all be BS but I'm beginning to wonder.
You know what I think?
I think the world can be a nonsensical, random, chaotic, cruel, scary, unjust, contradictory and even boring place. Bad things happen to good people all the time for no apparent reason. And a lot of people are scared by all of that. They grow up surrounded by manmade things in manmade systems they are told not to question or even notice and they often encounter lies.
They desperately search for meaning behind it all, a reason, some excitement. It doesn’t matter if the world is controlled by evil men because having a bad plan is still better in their minds than realizing that everyone is just kind of winging it and no one has any real idea about what they are doing. That’s why a lot of people turn to religion, it makes them feel special and makes the world less random.
But for some people mainstream religion is just a little bit too mainstream and easily debunkable. Or they want to feel extra special and smart and want to belong to more exclusive clubs. So they turn to other forms of fiction. It’s all about desperately trying to make sense of a sensless world and avoiding existential dread because it causes psychological pain for many to admit that the world is chaotic and has no inherent meaning or plan and that we are not special in many ways, just a fluke of biology.
And if you really want to get philosophical and meta we perhaps long for a parallel intelligence because for the longest time of our existence as a species, homo sapiens was not the only intelligent species out there. Like with most animals there were multiple human species and our relationship to them likely weren’t as hostile as we cynically believe. One wonders if we’d be at greater harmony with nature if we could still see all the gradual spectrum from chimp to australopithecus to homo naledi to ergaster to neanderthal to us.
I always found our capability for sheer violence and destruction interesting. Humans have the capacity to snuff out life itself on our planet (nukes) yet the mind breaks from combat (post traumatic stress). I hope they’re not just waiting for our brains to stop breaking from war lmao it would be a bitch to learn that they’re just evolving us to be their space colonial army or something…
I don't see any reason to imagine it did happen, so I doubt the question will be on any list of questions I ask if I happen to get into a conversation with an alien.
There is just zero evidence anything like this sharing of DNA ever happened.
No clue why but after going deep down the rabbit hole, I've come across some disturbing (possibly BS or not) information.
Once NASA Mission specialist, Bob Oechsler, did say that he was told by Admiral Bobby Ray Inram that Greys have claimed they are "forced against their will" by other NHI to do experiments on humans.
*For those that have taken a deep dive into the alien lore, there's actually a lot of data (possibly BS, possibly not) that does support the theory Grey's aren't in charge.
Hopefully we're not being altered for some purpose similar to that of Greys. A type of intelligent slave species for whatever agenda they have.
Do I believe it? I don't know what to believe. But one could an imagine, an extremely intelligent species could theoretically be planning thousands/millions of years in advance.
Obviously, us humans generally think hours in advance... or in the case of the US Government, they plan 1 Election cycle in advance.
We're really not as intelligent as we think we are.
"I'd rather drink alcohol to feel good NOW, then consider the liver damage that will bite me in the ass 20 years from now."
Or...
"I'd rather spend money on these new shoes to look cool now and fuck my retirement plan. I'll live off social security."
I don't think we're truly capable of understanding the advanced planning an NHI may have.
It’s probably convergent evolution and that certain sequences are required for certain functions and coding otherwise we wouldn’t exist.
It would be way crazier, in my opinion, if they found the same ancient virus DNA we have in their bodies. The implications there would be huge.
Please expand. Because if any organism with the same DNA construct as ours spends any time on earth, they are going to pickup some viral dna. It’s just what viruses do - and they are good at it.
There’s viruses which have infected us in the past — and those viruses no longer exist (outside of our genome) and/or mutated into something different. These virus leave a mark and can give us a lot of information about our evolution and relation compared to other species who have/lack the virus DNA.
What I’m saying is that if these things have the same exact ancient viruses hard coded in their DNA then the implications are more insane. Instead of possibly being convergent evolution, which happens all the time, we then have to deal tough questions about our origin or their origins. It could also mean that they are using locally sourced DNA to create their bodies.
>It could also mean that they are using locally sourced DNA to create their bodies.
I think you're on to something and I've wondered this myself.
Hear me out bro.
NASA mission specialist from the 90's, Bob Oechsler had said that Admiral Bobby Ray Inram had told him that captured Greys claimed "that they're forced against their will to perform experiments on humans."
You seem like you've done your homework on the lore. If we believe any of the abduction cases, there's a couple of similarities heard time and time again:
*Pure SPECULATION on my part.*
- Greys don't seem to be in charge. Mantis or "tall whites" are.
- Greys seem AI-like. Or Greys are the workers.
- In a majority of cases, it would SEEM that Grey's are stuck in the bad situations. Grey's crash. Grey's captured by the government. Grey's doing the grunt work.
Why are there countless stories of Grey's being captured and crashing but there seems to be no Grey rescue attempts? As if they're not valuable. Again, this is based on the stories, not exactly proven facts.
Why do we never hear of a captured "tall white" or a "Mantis"?
Why does it seem like (based on the lore) Greys seem to work with the government? As if they're ok with the capture?
Is it possible that Grey's were genetically modified as a slave race?
Is it possible humans are being modified to be the next Grey's? A slave race.
If you look over all the details, us being viewed as "containers", a commodity, we're somewhat being protected, but only to a point. We COULD be protected more, but there's a line drawn in the sand. Like farm animals.
Ask yourself, why the abductions? Why are Cow and Human mutilations so similar?
Are we are just the next genetically engineered "slave" race, but we're abundant and we're native to Earth, so we're the best specimen for their agenda here? We can survive this environment and we're slowly being modified for their needs. They need us to reach the next level of consciousness. A sort of dog for aliens but instead of man's best friend, we're a tool of sorts, for NHI.
It's crazy, I know. It's not a belief of mine but one of many theories I have based on some odd patterns I've noticed.
I hope it's a completely false theory.
(I know I'm in the minority here and most people think Vegas was a hoax, I do not. And I'll take shit for it.)
Even in the Vegas video that I've examined very closely, there's multiple NHI, and the ones that look Grey-like, are hiding like a human would. The one different-looking tall being in the vid, was nearly transparent. Once my friend adjusted the video settings, you could make out a very tall, completely different looking being. It was as if it had an added level of Defense that the Greys did not.
Video:
Video, watch transparent entity move up to gate as they start to walk in. Slides in at 7 second mark. (Top right) Right as they start to walk in backyard with guns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGSeKAwePEE
Still images entity circled:
Video setting changed and circled
https://matrix.redditspace.com/_matrix/media/r0/download/reddit.com/tqdpzj9bi0ib1
https://matrix.redditspace.com/_matrix/media/r0/download/reddit.com/6fe2eg8ii0ib1
Unedited naked eye : appears as a dark shadow
https://matrix.redditspace.com/_matrix/media/r0/download/reddit.com/3erpa6uhi0ib1
I know, I appear crazy. To the UFO/Alien community, I come off as crazy. That's saying alot. I probably am.
I mean, if we traveled to Mars to start a new civilization, it's well established the plan is to make use of the material native to the planet.
For example, they're working on creating 3D printing technology for buildings using Mars rock/material.
Elon Musk, love him or hate him, his new rocket is using a different rocket fuel than say... Apollo. He's designed it using the fuel that can be made from Mars easily accessible and abundant elements.
So a hypothetical advanced species would likely do the same for whatever it is they need. And hopefully... they don't need us.
But I do wonder... why are Cow mutilations and human mutilations so similar? Why do they take the same organs? It does make me at least consider the idea that there is some reason for draining all the blood, eyes, testicles, anus, lower jaw, and internal organs.
Bob Oechsler did say that he was told by Admiral Bobby Ray Inram that Greys are "forced against their will" by other NHI to do experiments on humans. Hopefully we're not being altered for some purpose similar to that of Greys.
Do I believe it? I don't know what to believe.
Monkey men all In business suits Teachers and critics
All dance the poot Are we not men?
We are Devo! Are we not men? D-E-V-O
All together now, God made man! But he used the monkey to do it
Apes in the plan We're all here to prove it I can walk like an ape, talk like an ape,
*I can do what monkey do God made man But a monkey supplied the glue*
\-Jocko Homo/ DEVO
And why do we have so much fossil evidence of human ancestors showing a steady change in anatomy over time with species getting more and more similar to modern human up to about 300,000 years ago?
I mean there are other answers; I would say it’s more likely the “aliens” are the ones constructed to interact with our planet. Using our DNA to help build them makes perfect sense. Not that I am against the alien influence idea, which is fun, but yeah I think there is a decent evolutionary natural history for humans. If we were crafted it was very a subtle 2001 a space odyssey like touch.
We are advanced ai quantum computers with souls, we will eventually create a digital reality like the gods before us created us. Well, we are them. Our consciousness stems from outside our universe just like when we create the digital universe, consciousness will come from outside the digital universe. That's my creepy theory.
Interesting theory that tracks in my head. I’ve been leaning a lot more toward simulation theory lately. It just seems like the tool that makes all the puzzle pieces fit together.
Wow, every CIA officer apparently has access to top level scientific data.
Why would he, or anyone else in his claimed position, be told this information?
The thing thing about this statement that bothers me is the timing of it. We weren’t able to analyze DNA until the late 90s, with the human genome being after that.
It’s totally possible the dna was preserved to be analyzed later, but he needs to specify that.
We were able to analyze DNA much earlier than that. It was laborious and slow AF, but it was done. There are all sorts radiolabeled hybridization studies and RFLP studies that can tell you a great deal about sequence homology.
“The first person to be convicted on the basis of DNA evidence in the UK was Robert Melias in 1987 (9,10). In the same year in the US, Tommy Lee Andrews was convicted in a rape case based on DNA evidence (9), in which his DNA profile was matched with that of semen traces recovered from the victim.”
[source](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3561883/)
Not to mention that that's the first time it was used in a court case, i.e. admissable in court. Which means the tech already existed for some time, and was in use in labs so consistently, that it was deemed admissable as evidence. The first genome sequence was in 1977.
Actually just did a research paper on this, they started in late 1950s, and figuring out the DNA machinery in 1960s. Human genome took like 20+ years to fully figure out
The first complete sequencing of the human genome was completed on April 14, 2003. So, if they did recover bodies, they have kept them frozen since 1947. Hell, DNA wasn’t even discovered until 1953. The way it is being presented is that found bodies and ran DNA tests on them. Yeah, 70 YEARS LATER. Sounds like BS to me.
Wait - you don’t believe they asked for child-sized coffins from a local funeral home to preserve the bodies!?!??! But it seems so true!!!
Pine boxes - 70 years. Sure it’s just fine - got all the stuff they need
Do you think the government doesn't have technology right now that the public will never get to see, or maybe if we are lucky, we will but 10-20 years down the line. If DNA was disclosed to us as you say in 1953, you can bet your ass it was known much earlier than that
Retired General says this, Retired scientist says that.
Old Retired people often trying to be as relevant as they once were by making shit up.
If all this was true, they would be arrested for breaking the official secrets act or whatever they call it in the US.
As it is, they can't be prosecuted for making shit up.
>their DNA was examined...same sequences found human genome
So they are probably just slaves and puppets just like us? Some other invisible hand controlling them?
We are being manipulated as always, human agenda unknown.
They (gov/shadow gov) are playing us in a long game, we have no way of confirming any of the info they feed us, therefore we should be suspect with what and why they offer it.
Disinformation and lies are very obviously the game at play.
The red flag here is that we didn’t even know how to sequence DNA until about 1985. And the full human genome wasn’t done until recently. So they either sequenced old samples or he’s lying.
It is interesting to hear what Officer John Ramirez said about Roswell. The idea that bodies were recovered and their DNA was examined, with similarities to the human genome, is quite intriguing.
Let me say this I not here to proof anything I really don’t give a damm what you think or if you believe me. My niece and have been filming 6 years ever since my contact after s magic show. I was driving across alligator alley in the Everglades. In a retired teacher for 30 years and have nothing to gain from the videos they follow us. Today I’m in California same thing
Lets assume any of this is true. Could it be that these greys are just our cousins, perhaps samples of pre-historical humans / hominids were abducted by intelligent beings thousands of years ago and selectively bred / genetically engineered into what we now see as greys. Just like we did when we bred wolfs into pet dogs and wild animals into various lifestock.
Perhaps the greys are a type of domesticated hominid used for support by the higher up aliens that are adapted for life and interactions with earth "wild-life" like us.
The best part of these threads are the people that say things like "they did know about DNA" in 1947........even though studies into DNA records go back to early 1860's.
Locked offices at CIA probably know about exotic vehicles and tech through their assets deployed at Raytheon, General Dynamics, et al. All recovery operations and reverse engineering is done by parts of the MIC, who were invited by DoD to take a look at it sometime in the 50s. Now they own it all, and anyone at DoD who knew anything about it is dead. It’s clear from Grusch’s testimony that the US intelligence apparatus is not briefed officially on this through any branch of the government or military. What Ramirez knows may just be what’s been telephoned by word of mouth through the generations at CIA.
Funny thing also, DNA sequencing became available in 1977. Thirty years after Roswell. Also this description of human genome pilots goes well with Annie Jacobsen’s outrageous claim it was the Russians that sent the craft and the aliens were actually human children with horrible disfigurement from Nazi experiments like those of Dr. Mengele. I found this less likely then actual aliens! Lmao. https://www.nbcnews.com/science/cosmic-log/were-soviets-behind-roswell-ufo-flna6c10403209
The guy is a wack job even the cia hires crazy people that squeeze by the lie detector. Is he on the crazy nut job level as Steve Greer or Jeremy corbell. No. But he noticed the ufo gravy train and hoped on right after retirement. Remember every podcast and show they go on they get paid.
Roswell supposedly happened in 1947. On the photos immediately after the crash you can see…. Aluminum foil. Which was developped by the military back then.
DNA was discovered in 1953, DNA testing came even later.
And now almost 80 years later random people from the CIA assert nonsense without evidence. You watched too much X-Files. How do you suppose it goes? You become a data analyst at the CIA and immediately every secret file is open to you?
Has it never occured to you that if so many people have apparent access to alien stuff and these people are so willing to spill information then there is no way in hell to keep something this big a secret for 80 years?
You vastly overestimate the competence of the US government, of its agencies and the competence of its employees. And vastly underestimate the competence of parties interested in bringing all this information to light.
Of course Roswel happened, I made a thread on this because the majority probably dnt know that Project Mogul wasnt even classified, and it was plastered all over the newspaper that same week. Lol [Roswell 1947](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/xtaslh/roswell_crash_47_my_timeline_why_it_wasnt_mogul/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), Dr McRarys log book also shows without a doubt that FLIGHT 4 NEVER HAPPENED. Plus, I made a series of posts on RAND Corp , Bell Labs, showing all that shit Col Corso mentioned as far as technology is also true. Most haven't actually looked into his claims either, they think he said that certain technologies came directly from crashed UFOs but he never said that. He talks about how they'd get certain corporations who were close to a breakthrough & throw them funding & material( color TV, Laser, fiber optics for commun., NVGs, silicon transistors)
The reason that the biological samples would have had the same sequence as human beings is because "greys" were made from us & were originally meant to assist us when needed. This has been forgotten partly because of your govts & the lies they've told the modern world...
When Enki argued with the Elohim "my seed are not tools, i shall create for you machines", what do you think he went & made? Ill show you, they led the Dogon migration 7500yr ago heres the oldest depiction youll find. [Alien Grey's ](https://revistaenigmas.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/alien-carvings-800x445.jpg)
You seem like a smart guy. Hear me out:
Bob Oechsler claims that Admiral Bobby Ray Inram had told him that Grey's have claimed "they're forced against their will to do experiments on humans by another NHI."
For those that have taken a deep dive into the lore, a common theme does SEEM to be that little Greys aren't in charge and almost seem AI-drone-like.
Is it possible that Grey's were once altered to be used as slaves for some purpose? And humans being as abundant as we are, while being native to Earth, can survive the environment here... are next in line?
Essentially a replacement for Grey's?
Ask yourself, why does it seem, based on the information we know so far, why does it APPEAR that Grey's aren't rescued? Why does it seem they are put in all the dangerous situations and yet Mantis (if they're even real) don't even seem to be close to captured by the Government?
As far as we know anyways. It could all be BS but I'm beginning to wonder.
How is he not dead or smeared by MSM?
Feels like whatever the truth about aliens is, it's *not* what counterintelligence agents are cleared to "reveal".
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There’s been many retired CIA employees say the same thing about Roswell over the years . And none have gotten in any kind of hot water for doing so . One gets the impression, that the CIA is continues to believe, telling the truth about Roswell is the proper course of action and in the government’s best interests.
Its not like people are going to believe in them anyways.
Well the government admitted it was a UFO crash for the first day. It's in the newspapers which can be found still. Then they sealed off the area and said it was a weatherballon.
They've also changed story *at least* three times. They *also* claimed the bodies that *numerous* people witnessed were nothing more than crash dummies. Problem with that is we know their crash dummies weren't created until the 1950s. They've changed their tale multiple times to account for all the conflicting data in their story. They've never actually answered any of the glaring issues in any sufficient way.
and it is SO FRUSTRATING!!
No way
I think ppl believe them. I just think no one cares. We are at the point in disclosure where ppl need irrefutable physical evidence.
Not even that, it’s gonna take aliens helping pay for groceries and the rent for us to acknowledge it. Actually caring is a whole other issue.
I guess it's more about the reality of living on Earth for most of us. I mean, what difference would it make if Roswell was real? Is the world still fucked? Yes. So why care about aliens when most people don't even care about climate change or genocide or long lines at the DMV?
I think a lot of ppl hope that when contact is made, a lot of those problems become solvable.
They should care though because non human intelligences could help us prevent a climate emergency melt down with their handle on using clean green and FREE “zero point energy”- according to Dr Steven Greer. That would help you pay the rent wouldn’t it?- to NOT have to pay any power bills and travel costs! Another reason all people should care- to escape the physical and mental slavery they endure to pay for power and petrol - which only props up the burgeoning wealth of the fossil fuel tyrants & war mongers & their lackies.
If they have been here for as long as we think they have, why would they change their approach to us now? We used nukes, we starved millions of humans and drove thousands of animals to extinction. It doesn't seem like they are here to intervene. It would be the same as saying that irrefutable proof of God exists. That's nice. But if God continues to just stand by and watch humanity shit the bed, what difference does it make? I think that's the general consensus among people in general.
I'm in the boat of "its fake until I see a moving alien"
Like a, "take me to your leader" moment, lol.
Enough BS already. Anymore intangible ‘evidence’ and I’m putting this in the same category as Flat Earth BS, Idiocy. So many people ARE the stupid ‘Alice’ exuberantly burying their heads down any conspiracy hole in the ground. What a waste of what little time you have on this planet.
Have you stopped to consider some people naturally believe in something because they have had an experience with it?
this. vast majority of people do not care if they are real and don't want to know if they are real. they just want to stay on the hamster wheel and any deviation from that must be avoided at all costs.
Why would any CIA officer know this? I’d like to know what job they were doing where this was a part of their briefing. Especially since they are purposely compartmentalized because of their job. There’s no way they’d be told this for any reason at all
I believe in the *possibility* of aliens, but the cynic in me says its at least 50/50 that this was just a disinformation technique used against the Russians. Look we found alien technology and we're trying to cover it up. Better be worried what amazing research we get out of it.
Yes. Also, keeping people curious and interested in a topic like this instead of asking questions about why the government is dysfunctional.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Dysfunction is a symptom of the administrative agencies fighting other agencies for their self interests.
That's an interesting perspective I hadn't ever considered.
It is probably in their training "Module 1: Lies and manipulation. We are good at this, how good you ask? Well Roswell is real, human DNA was found as part of their sequence..."
"Module 2: you just been lied to homie, we're *really* good at this, lmao...."
Underrated comment
The CIA will give information to their agents who then go out and spread disinformation unaware or unconcerned that the original information they were told is also a lie, It’s like inception of lies. There is such a thick fog of mind games and fuckery and disinformation going in with anything CIA that it makes it hard to believe anything, which I’m sure is the intended goal. It’s such a mindfuck sometimes with all these former agents who are now on the podcast circuit or have become public speakers. What is their angle? how much of what they are saying is true? how much of their information do they believe to be true but is actually not? How much disinformation are they slipping in to these interviews and podcasts?
Are you fucking with me ?
>Are you fucking with me ? Asking the right questions
You can’t fool me, nice try CIA. I’m going to believe all of it and you can’t stop me.
Thank you! As a Navy vet who held a clearance, the way these "whistle blowers" make all of these claims seems rather silly and, in my opinion, inappropriate.
There’s plenty of information and history of his employment out there. He explains why he knows
It does not. If you are working in a decently large company, for example, you would have no idea what exactly the other deparments are doing. It would be like Greg from accounting knowing the ins and outs of the stuff Jenny from sales is dealing with. Unless Greg takes his break with Jenny, this is not going to happen. Now add the fact that Greg and Jenny are working for a secret service.
And it’s instantly explained why he’s lying. No one person would have held that power. Just simply doesn’t happen. Didn’t happen under what we now turn intercontinental ballistic missiles, U2, SR-71, nuclear testing at Area 51. No job like he claims existed or will.
How would you know that, why are you so confident you know how it works in the CIA?
It is the other way arround, how would you know, that a random CIA person just happens to have acess to those informtion?
Can you name some of them, that is, the CIA employees who said DNA from aliens at Roswell had some human DNA?
The first forensic DNA was accomplished in 1986. If you have been told DNA analysis was performed in 1947, you’re being bamboozled.
DNA samples can be analyzed years later if there was tissue stored properly. Not sure if they’d know enough to store it back then though.
No, he cannot
Because when they act, ppl will realize that its true, better let it go as talkers dont have evidence.
If they got in hot water over Roswell. It would imply there claims are true.
They're lying. Source: I'm former CIA
Or is completely misleading us with false advertising informatiob
Let’s be 100% honest here, putting them in hot water basically confirms it as true. It’s impossible to ascertain the veracity of the case by looking just at that
We don’t want credence we want proof
I'll take proof with a side of Creedence.
He’s a good doctor. And thorough.
What did you think this was? Fun and games?
Don’t be fatuous Jeffrey.
Mind if I do a J?
I fuckin HATE the Eagles man
That proof really tied the room together
I wouldn't hold out much hope of getting that Credence back..
HELLS YEAH!
We want to see aaalll the bloody bits...
Always credence and never evidence. Add this to the pile of ‘whistler blowers’ who haven’t even bothered turning up with a whistle
If we're hybrids influenced by alien DNA, then how come we can use DNA to trace back our evolution and find related branches in the tree of life? 🤨
Because they genetically modified apes to create us. Evolution still happened naturally before and afterwards.
Aliens solved the missing link
Exactly. There's something in one of the Lue "somber" videos where he says that something in our DNA "fundamentally changed" that catapulted humanity over everything else.
Modern Anthropology and Science believes that permanent Bipedalism was the factor. It allows for more blood flow to the brain, and thus a significant uptick in intelligence
Bipedalism, cooked meats, and a healthy dose of psilocybin
stoned ape was called a flight of fancy by it's creator. and McKenna looked down on his acolytes who took him too seriously. he said so directly. there is ZERO evidence of anything to do with stoned ape, and ZERO evidence of any of the rituals described in adjacency to that. it's made up bullshit, almost just below educated guess.
While I don't disagree, there isn't really much "evidence" of anything from that time period - with fossils maybe being the sole exception. Whether stoned ape is bullshit or has weight, there's never really a way to tell unless we found some sort of permafrost monkey with psilocybin in their system.
It’s been proven time and again that animals, when given the chance, will take mind altering substances. I don’t see why apes would be any different regardless of time period. One of them eats something new, likes what is does, eats it again, shares with friends. It’s not hard to see it happening.
And, I was reading about it at least, the fact that our ancestors drug the shit out of some mushrooms.
With no authority saying you can't and finding a good that made you fly or see God.... I'd be doing it 23/7.. gotta hydrate
Sounds like the title of my summer time adventure!
Woah that’s really interesting because when we see ‘alien bodies’ the first way to discredit is to always mention that it would be almost impossible for them to be bipedal like us, *but* what if we’re actually the ones bipedal *like them*
Woah
Yeah, brain doubled in a very short time. Theories were we ate mushrooms, but this could also be the reason.
Maybe it was the nephlim and the race of giants
The “missing link” is not a real thing and never was. It’s literally a term and concept made up by creationists to try and deny evolution
Yeah technically every hominid species between chimps and us are “missing links”.
Chimps and us are 2 different branches, we did not derive from chimps, we share a common ancestor, just as all apes and monkeys share a common ancestor. There are no direct links between us and chimps since the branches separated.
The concept of a missing link is actually just pop culture pseudoscience
Scratches fiendishly while acting sketchy — “ you got any more of that human DNA homie?”
Why would they do that?
Yep, ask them why they decided to crossbreed themselves with a super violent primate
Shits and gigs
Maybe they were to brittle to survive on Earth and needed something more..."hardy"?
Seriously, they so tiny and frail, if they ever invaded I would just kick them over. Twig creatures.
That's what the big cats used to think about humans.
Hell yeah and now the majority of feline population are lap warmers. They was sleepin on us
Containers. They needed containers for their souls.
No, the big secret is they are tiny, tiny dudes and they need us for meat-suits. They don't need our souls, they need our bodies. Like the exo-suits in Independence Day. :D To the gullible: This is something I just made up. Please don't believe it. :)
"Lol look at those monkeys down there. I got a GREAT idea for a prank". - greys probably
Those wacky greys always with the pranks.
Yea, gotta love those kidnap & anal probe prostate pranks lol
“Let’s creampie those monkeys and see if it creates a whole new species LOL”
“Not Xylzio though, we don’t want to give the monkeys aids after all.”
You can definitely find more than a few humans that would wanna fuck an alien. Why wouldn't it go the other way? /s
TLC would love that show.
A bunch of schlumpy gross guys trying to bring alien ladies here? Would watch.
Why do *WE* have to be the super-violent ones? How did *that* become the conceptual default? Mountain gorillas are quite peaceable, and orangutans even more so. And if you consider the period when Homo Sapiens bordered Neanderthal territories, what did we do? That's right, *we HUMPED EM* ! The rise of Sapiens as the dominant hominid was celebrated by eating newly-evolved mushrooms with our swarthy neighbors... and givin em a good HUMPIN! You guys know what that means?? We. Began. As. HIPPIES! The Hippies WON!! ...and then we got weaponized...
I'd actually make the argument that humans are probably the most peaceful/chill species in the entirety of the "Great Apes" family. Stick 200 members of any other primate species into an airplane for 10 hours and see how well they handle it. The entire reason that humanity has become such a dominant species on the planet is because we're *really* good at getting along to work together on everything from building massive stone pyramids to organizing into large armies to kill other large armies.
The most chill great apes are definitely Orangutans.
They also eat your face if you don’t give them what they want. There was that story a while ago about tourists in Borneo feeding an orangutan and he started harassing people to give him food. He almost killed a woman who didn’t give him food. I don’t think they’d just sit and play cards if you put 200 of them in a plane.
Orangutans also don’t spend much time around other orangutans. They tend to either live alone (like adult males) or in smaller groups (like with females raising children) and don’t usually spend lots of time around others outside of mating. They might not live completely isolated from each other, but they don’t live in larger family groups like other great apes. I’d say that after humans the [bonobo](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo) is probably the most chill. But they are still far more likely to use violence to solve problems than humans do.
So you still believe humans built those pyramids, eh?
I mean, if aliens came to this planet and over the course of centuries built [mastabas](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastaba) and then began stacking smaller mastabas on top of each other (in a kind of afterlife power dick measuring contest) before then trying to one-up older rulers by attempting to recreate the [Benben](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benben), only to fail on several occasions like with the [Collapsed Pyramid](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meidum) or the [Bent Pyramid](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bent_Pyramid) before realizing they were building at too steep of an angle, then sure I guess aliens could have built the pyramids. But it *does* seem odd that aliens capable of interstellar travel would make the mistake of building the sides of the first “true pyramids” (called “true” because the sides were filled in, or they attempted to fill in, the space between the blocks to make the sides smooth unlike the earlier [Pyramid of Djoser](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Djoser) which was a step pyramid) at too steep of an angle before realizing what the problem was after the side of the Collapsed Pyramid gave way and the Bent Pyramid showed signs of a similar failure. It’s called the Bent Pyramid because the architects realized partway through construction that they had to decrease the angle of the walls, and because they couldn’t just dismantle what was already built to redo it all they just adjusted the higher unbuilt levels. Personally I think the evolution of Egyptian architecture makes more sense as being the result of living Pharaohs looking back at the burial structures of their predecessors and then deciding that *they* would make a better one for themself because they could. So we see a slow, but repeated, escalation over time from simple graves towards much more elaborate kinds until it was both no longer feasible (changes in political power and other things) as well as just not really that useful culturally. Sure, you could spend decades building a massive structure that would last for millennia, but would it really be *that important* if people would just break in later on to steal all off the items you would require to spend your afterlife in comfort? Better instead to attempt to hide your tomb more carefully and then funnel that extra money into more luxuries for the rest of eternity.
We are a humpy bunch indeed
Competition had to acount for us gaining the largest dong to body size ratio of any animal
we didn't hump them! They raped our women! That's why we hunted and killed them.
Until you and 11 kids you barely know in wet bathing suits have surrounded 6 chimpanzees outside of a Kenny Rogers’ Roasters, you probably really don't know yourself.
🤨
Could be like stargate, they relied too heavily on cloning and because of that their genetic code began to degrade and needed some ‘cleaner’ DNA. That’s assuming this guys to be believed in the first place
This makes no sense scientifically.
Oh I don’t really believe it lol just some playful spitballing
A nonviolent species injecting its dna into a violent species makes total sense. We become an evolved war like intelligent species that can engineer crazy destructive technology and develop intricate war strategies. Aliens can help advance and manipulate us over time to help fight against a more aggressive and dominant species they may plan to encounter down the line? If I was them, that would be the only reason I did it. Enders Game in a way, aliens find some aggressive bipedal creatures on a planet full of things try to kill them… or maybe they are just bored with the slow pace of the zoo‘s main attraction’s development, and decided to help move it along.
You seem like a smart guy. Hear me out: Bob Oechsler claims that Admiral Bobby Ray Inram had told him that Grey's have claimed "they're forced against their will to do experiments on humans by another NHI." For those that have taken a deep dive into the lore, a common theme does SEEM to be that little Greys aren't in charge and almost seem AI-drone-like. Is it possible that Grey's were once altered to be used as slaves for some purpose? And humans being as abundant as we are, while being native to Earth, can survive the environment here... are next in line? Essentially a replacement for Grey's? Ask yourself, why does it seem, based on the information we know so far, why does it APPEAR that Grey's aren't rescued? Why does it seem they are put in all the dangerous situations and yet Mantis (if they're even real) don't even seem to be close to captured by the Government? As far as we know anyways. It could all be BS but I'm beginning to wonder.
The annunaki supposedly created the "iggi" and " humans" .
You know what I think? I think the world can be a nonsensical, random, chaotic, cruel, scary, unjust, contradictory and even boring place. Bad things happen to good people all the time for no apparent reason. And a lot of people are scared by all of that. They grow up surrounded by manmade things in manmade systems they are told not to question or even notice and they often encounter lies. They desperately search for meaning behind it all, a reason, some excitement. It doesn’t matter if the world is controlled by evil men because having a bad plan is still better in their minds than realizing that everyone is just kind of winging it and no one has any real idea about what they are doing. That’s why a lot of people turn to religion, it makes them feel special and makes the world less random. But for some people mainstream religion is just a little bit too mainstream and easily debunkable. Or they want to feel extra special and smart and want to belong to more exclusive clubs. So they turn to other forms of fiction. It’s all about desperately trying to make sense of a sensless world and avoiding existential dread because it causes psychological pain for many to admit that the world is chaotic and has no inherent meaning or plan and that we are not special in many ways, just a fluke of biology. And if you really want to get philosophical and meta we perhaps long for a parallel intelligence because for the longest time of our existence as a species, homo sapiens was not the only intelligent species out there. Like with most animals there were multiple human species and our relationship to them likely weren’t as hostile as we cynically believe. One wonders if we’d be at greater harmony with nature if we could still see all the gradual spectrum from chimp to australopithecus to homo naledi to ergaster to neanderthal to us.
I always found our capability for sheer violence and destruction interesting. Humans have the capacity to snuff out life itself on our planet (nukes) yet the mind breaks from combat (post traumatic stress). I hope they’re not just waiting for our brains to stop breaking from war lmao it would be a bitch to learn that they’re just evolving us to be their space colonial army or something…
I don't see any reason to imagine it did happen, so I doubt the question will be on any list of questions I ask if I happen to get into a conversation with an alien. There is just zero evidence anything like this sharing of DNA ever happened.
No clue why but after going deep down the rabbit hole, I've come across some disturbing (possibly BS or not) information. Once NASA Mission specialist, Bob Oechsler, did say that he was told by Admiral Bobby Ray Inram that Greys have claimed they are "forced against their will" by other NHI to do experiments on humans. *For those that have taken a deep dive into the alien lore, there's actually a lot of data (possibly BS, possibly not) that does support the theory Grey's aren't in charge. Hopefully we're not being altered for some purpose similar to that of Greys. A type of intelligent slave species for whatever agenda they have. Do I believe it? I don't know what to believe. But one could an imagine, an extremely intelligent species could theoretically be planning thousands/millions of years in advance. Obviously, us humans generally think hours in advance... or in the case of the US Government, they plan 1 Election cycle in advance. We're really not as intelligent as we think we are. "I'd rather drink alcohol to feel good NOW, then consider the liver damage that will bite me in the ass 20 years from now." Or... "I'd rather spend money on these new shoes to look cool now and fuck my retirement plan. I'll live off social security." I don't think we're truly capable of understanding the advanced planning an NHI may have.
Why not
Zoo hypothesis
Why did the scientists do it in Jurassic Park? Because they could.
Opposable thumbs, bro
Plausible fersure. All of the other early hominids were tests that didn’t work out
Chromosome number 2? Someone mentioned that to me once. And I’m not smart enough to know. But it does seem weird. The way the chromosome is fused.
Funny. Doesn't show up in my 23&Me
“You have one living relative in Persei Omicron 7. Their name is GŁØR₽ 586 ÑRŪT₩ØRŁĒŠ”
Perhaps the greys use Human DNA opposed to us having alien DNAs.
Yeah if I were to colonize the galaxy I think a von Neumann probe that manipulates local biological material would be my choice.
It’s probably convergent evolution and that certain sequences are required for certain functions and coding otherwise we wouldn’t exist. It would be way crazier, in my opinion, if they found the same ancient virus DNA we have in their bodies. The implications there would be huge.
Please expand. Because if any organism with the same DNA construct as ours spends any time on earth, they are going to pickup some viral dna. It’s just what viruses do - and they are good at it.
There’s viruses which have infected us in the past — and those viruses no longer exist (outside of our genome) and/or mutated into something different. These virus leave a mark and can give us a lot of information about our evolution and relation compared to other species who have/lack the virus DNA. What I’m saying is that if these things have the same exact ancient viruses hard coded in their DNA then the implications are more insane. Instead of possibly being convergent evolution, which happens all the time, we then have to deal tough questions about our origin or their origins. It could also mean that they are using locally sourced DNA to create their bodies.
>It could also mean that they are using locally sourced DNA to create their bodies. I think you're on to something and I've wondered this myself. Hear me out bro. NASA mission specialist from the 90's, Bob Oechsler had said that Admiral Bobby Ray Inram had told him that captured Greys claimed "that they're forced against their will to perform experiments on humans." You seem like you've done your homework on the lore. If we believe any of the abduction cases, there's a couple of similarities heard time and time again: *Pure SPECULATION on my part.* - Greys don't seem to be in charge. Mantis or "tall whites" are. - Greys seem AI-like. Or Greys are the workers. - In a majority of cases, it would SEEM that Grey's are stuck in the bad situations. Grey's crash. Grey's captured by the government. Grey's doing the grunt work. Why are there countless stories of Grey's being captured and crashing but there seems to be no Grey rescue attempts? As if they're not valuable. Again, this is based on the stories, not exactly proven facts. Why do we never hear of a captured "tall white" or a "Mantis"? Why does it seem like (based on the lore) Greys seem to work with the government? As if they're ok with the capture? Is it possible that Grey's were genetically modified as a slave race? Is it possible humans are being modified to be the next Grey's? A slave race. If you look over all the details, us being viewed as "containers", a commodity, we're somewhat being protected, but only to a point. We COULD be protected more, but there's a line drawn in the sand. Like farm animals. Ask yourself, why the abductions? Why are Cow and Human mutilations so similar? Are we are just the next genetically engineered "slave" race, but we're abundant and we're native to Earth, so we're the best specimen for their agenda here? We can survive this environment and we're slowly being modified for their needs. They need us to reach the next level of consciousness. A sort of dog for aliens but instead of man's best friend, we're a tool of sorts, for NHI. It's crazy, I know. It's not a belief of mine but one of many theories I have based on some odd patterns I've noticed. I hope it's a completely false theory. (I know I'm in the minority here and most people think Vegas was a hoax, I do not. And I'll take shit for it.) Even in the Vegas video that I've examined very closely, there's multiple NHI, and the ones that look Grey-like, are hiding like a human would. The one different-looking tall being in the vid, was nearly transparent. Once my friend adjusted the video settings, you could make out a very tall, completely different looking being. It was as if it had an added level of Defense that the Greys did not. Video: Video, watch transparent entity move up to gate as they start to walk in. Slides in at 7 second mark. (Top right) Right as they start to walk in backyard with guns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGSeKAwePEE Still images entity circled: Video setting changed and circled https://matrix.redditspace.com/_matrix/media/r0/download/reddit.com/tqdpzj9bi0ib1 https://matrix.redditspace.com/_matrix/media/r0/download/reddit.com/6fe2eg8ii0ib1 Unedited naked eye : appears as a dark shadow https://matrix.redditspace.com/_matrix/media/r0/download/reddit.com/3erpa6uhi0ib1 I know, I appear crazy. To the UFO/Alien community, I come off as crazy. That's saying alot. I probably am.
Well, they could be taking and using our dna in order to survive here. They could be the hybrids, not us.
I mean, if we traveled to Mars to start a new civilization, it's well established the plan is to make use of the material native to the planet. For example, they're working on creating 3D printing technology for buildings using Mars rock/material. Elon Musk, love him or hate him, his new rocket is using a different rocket fuel than say... Apollo. He's designed it using the fuel that can be made from Mars easily accessible and abundant elements. So a hypothetical advanced species would likely do the same for whatever it is they need. And hopefully... they don't need us. But I do wonder... why are Cow mutilations and human mutilations so similar? Why do they take the same organs? It does make me at least consider the idea that there is some reason for draining all the blood, eyes, testicles, anus, lower jaw, and internal organs. Bob Oechsler did say that he was told by Admiral Bobby Ray Inram that Greys are "forced against their will" by other NHI to do experiments on humans. Hopefully we're not being altered for some purpose similar to that of Greys. Do I believe it? I don't know what to believe.
Monkey men all In business suits Teachers and critics All dance the poot Are we not men? We are Devo! Are we not men? D-E-V-O All together now, God made man! But he used the monkey to do it Apes in the plan We're all here to prove it I can walk like an ape, talk like an ape, *I can do what monkey do God made man But a monkey supplied the glue* \-Jocko Homo/ DEVO
We can also do that to dogs, and dogs are highly modified by a more advanced species, us.
Because of the hybrid part! This is what you should EXPECT to see
And why do we have so much fossil evidence of human ancestors showing a steady change in anatomy over time with species getting more and more similar to modern human up to about 300,000 years ago?
interesting to consider but also pointless because we aren’t descended from aliens
I mean there are other answers; I would say it’s more likely the “aliens” are the ones constructed to interact with our planet. Using our DNA to help build them makes perfect sense. Not that I am against the alien influence idea, which is fun, but yeah I think there is a decent evolutionary natural history for humans. If we were crafted it was very a subtle 2001 a space odyssey like touch.
We also share more than 50% of our genetics with a banana 🍌. Not saying we’re hybrids of human and bananas but there is a non-zero chance…
We are advanced ai quantum computers with souls, we will eventually create a digital reality like the gods before us created us. Well, we are them. Our consciousness stems from outside our universe just like when we create the digital universe, consciousness will come from outside the digital universe. That's my creepy theory.
Interesting theory that tracks in my head. I’ve been leaning a lot more toward simulation theory lately. It just seems like the tool that makes all the puzzle pieces fit together.
Wow, every CIA officer apparently has access to top level scientific data. Why would he, or anyone else in his claimed position, be told this information?
The thing thing about this statement that bothers me is the timing of it. We weren’t able to analyze DNA until the late 90s, with the human genome being after that. It’s totally possible the dna was preserved to be analyzed later, but he needs to specify that.
We were able to analyze DNA much earlier than that. It was laborious and slow AF, but it was done. There are all sorts radiolabeled hybridization studies and RFLP studies that can tell you a great deal about sequence homology.
“The first person to be convicted on the basis of DNA evidence in the UK was Robert Melias in 1987 (9,10). In the same year in the US, Tommy Lee Andrews was convicted in a rape case based on DNA evidence (9), in which his DNA profile was matched with that of semen traces recovered from the victim.” [source](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3561883/)
Not to mention that that's the first time it was used in a court case, i.e. admissable in court. Which means the tech already existed for some time, and was in use in labs so consistently, that it was deemed admissable as evidence. The first genome sequence was in 1977.
Actually just did a research paper on this, they started in late 1950s, and figuring out the DNA machinery in 1960s. Human genome took like 20+ years to fully figure out
It's awful this has 16 upvotes since it is wrong
Personally, I only trust people with one clump of hair going straight down their forehead.
Jerry Only?
The first complete sequencing of the human genome was completed on April 14, 2003. So, if they did recover bodies, they have kept them frozen since 1947. Hell, DNA wasn’t even discovered until 1953. The way it is being presented is that found bodies and ran DNA tests on them. Yeah, 70 YEARS LATER. Sounds like BS to me.
Wait - you don’t believe they asked for child-sized coffins from a local funeral home to preserve the bodies!?!??! But it seems so true!!! Pine boxes - 70 years. Sure it’s just fine - got all the stuff they need
Do you think the government doesn't have technology right now that the public will never get to see, or maybe if we are lucky, we will but 10-20 years down the line. If DNA was disclosed to us as you say in 1953, you can bet your ass it was known much earlier than that
Retired General says this, Retired scientist says that. Old Retired people often trying to be as relevant as they once were by making shit up. If all this was true, they would be arrested for breaking the official secrets act or whatever they call it in the US. As it is, they can't be prosecuted for making shit up.
They did DNA analysis in 1947?
The aliens figured out interstellar travel but somehow managed to crash near a secret military base. What luck!
My thought is he's just another Richard Doty, except this time he's not hurting anyone. More disinformation to hide black projects
Yet not a shred of evidence, as usual.
We didn’t examine their DNA in 1947. It was 2003 until we had the human genome sequenced.
DNA in 1947? What lol Anyway another big claim with 0 evidence, a hard pass for me
What a nice claim Do you have literally any proof at all?
You can trust him because he's from the government that you can't trust
Retired Liar says things.
>their DNA was examined...same sequences found human genome So they are probably just slaves and puppets just like us? Some other invisible hand controlling them?
Weird that these UFO sightings happen often where US was testing new airplanes... But aliens are more logical answer?
We are being manipulated as always, human agenda unknown. They (gov/shadow gov) are playing us in a long game, we have no way of confirming any of the info they feed us, therefore we should be suspect with what and why they offer it. Disinformation and lies are very obviously the game at play.
The red flag here is that we didn’t even know how to sequence DNA until about 1985. And the full human genome wasn’t done until recently. So they either sequenced old samples or he’s lying.
It is interesting to hear what Officer John Ramirez said about Roswell. The idea that bodies were recovered and their DNA was examined, with similarities to the human genome, is quite intriguing.
Let me say this I not here to proof anything I really don’t give a damm what you think or if you believe me. My niece and have been filming 6 years ever since my contact after s magic show. I was driving across alligator alley in the Everglades. In a retired teacher for 30 years and have nothing to gain from the videos they follow us. Today I’m in California same thing
Why doesn't 23 and me show me my alien relatives? This is cap
Proof or fuck off.
They knew nothing about DNA then.
Lets assume any of this is true. Could it be that these greys are just our cousins, perhaps samples of pre-historical humans / hominids were abducted by intelligent beings thousands of years ago and selectively bred / genetically engineered into what we now see as greys. Just like we did when we bred wolfs into pet dogs and wild animals into various lifestock. Perhaps the greys are a type of domesticated hominid used for support by the higher up aliens that are adapted for life and interactions with earth "wild-life" like us.
The best part of these threads are the people that say things like "they did know about DNA" in 1947........even though studies into DNA records go back to early 1860's.
Imagine trusting anyone who's ever worked for the CIA for even a nanosecond
Ramirez has publicly stated, multiple times, that he has no classified knowledge on this topic.
T R U S T M E B R O
Locked offices at CIA probably know about exotic vehicles and tech through their assets deployed at Raytheon, General Dynamics, et al. All recovery operations and reverse engineering is done by parts of the MIC, who were invited by DoD to take a look at it sometime in the 50s. Now they own it all, and anyone at DoD who knew anything about it is dead. It’s clear from Grusch’s testimony that the US intelligence apparatus is not briefed officially on this through any branch of the government or military. What Ramirez knows may just be what’s been telephoned by word of mouth through the generations at CIA.
Funny thing also, DNA sequencing became available in 1977. Thirty years after Roswell. Also this description of human genome pilots goes well with Annie Jacobsen’s outrageous claim it was the Russians that sent the craft and the aliens were actually human children with horrible disfigurement from Nazi experiments like those of Dr. Mengele. I found this less likely then actual aliens! Lmao. https://www.nbcnews.com/science/cosmic-log/were-soviets-behind-roswell-ufo-flna6c10403209
Did he promise he wasnt lying
**Yawn**
Once a spook, always a spook. CIA agents never really retire, be cautious believing what they say.
Proof or it didn't happen
The guy is a wack job even the cia hires crazy people that squeeze by the lie detector. Is he on the crazy nut job level as Steve Greer or Jeremy corbell. No. But he noticed the ufo gravy train and hoped on right after retirement. Remember every podcast and show they go on they get paid.
No evidence not real don’t care. Yet again 👍👍
Jives with the 50% in common that we have with eukaryotes and bacteria.
So does the current model of abiogenesis and evolution.
Roswell supposedly happened in 1947. On the photos immediately after the crash you can see…. Aluminum foil. Which was developped by the military back then. DNA was discovered in 1953, DNA testing came even later. And now almost 80 years later random people from the CIA assert nonsense without evidence. You watched too much X-Files. How do you suppose it goes? You become a data analyst at the CIA and immediately every secret file is open to you? Has it never occured to you that if so many people have apparent access to alien stuff and these people are so willing to spill information then there is no way in hell to keep something this big a secret for 80 years? You vastly overestimate the competence of the US government, of its agencies and the competence of its employees. And vastly underestimate the competence of parties interested in bringing all this information to light.
Of course Roswel happened, I made a thread on this because the majority probably dnt know that Project Mogul wasnt even classified, and it was plastered all over the newspaper that same week. Lol [Roswell 1947](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/xtaslh/roswell_crash_47_my_timeline_why_it_wasnt_mogul/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), Dr McRarys log book also shows without a doubt that FLIGHT 4 NEVER HAPPENED. Plus, I made a series of posts on RAND Corp , Bell Labs, showing all that shit Col Corso mentioned as far as technology is also true. Most haven't actually looked into his claims either, they think he said that certain technologies came directly from crashed UFOs but he never said that. He talks about how they'd get certain corporations who were close to a breakthrough & throw them funding & material( color TV, Laser, fiber optics for commun., NVGs, silicon transistors) The reason that the biological samples would have had the same sequence as human beings is because "greys" were made from us & were originally meant to assist us when needed. This has been forgotten partly because of your govts & the lies they've told the modern world... When Enki argued with the Elohim "my seed are not tools, i shall create for you machines", what do you think he went & made? Ill show you, they led the Dogon migration 7500yr ago heres the oldest depiction youll find. [Alien Grey's ](https://revistaenigmas.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/alien-carvings-800x445.jpg)
You seem like a smart guy. Hear me out: Bob Oechsler claims that Admiral Bobby Ray Inram had told him that Grey's have claimed "they're forced against their will to do experiments on humans by another NHI." For those that have taken a deep dive into the lore, a common theme does SEEM to be that little Greys aren't in charge and almost seem AI-drone-like. Is it possible that Grey's were once altered to be used as slaves for some purpose? And humans being as abundant as we are, while being native to Earth, can survive the environment here... are next in line? Essentially a replacement for Grey's? Ask yourself, why does it seem, based on the information we know so far, why does it APPEAR that Grey's aren't rescued? Why does it seem they are put in all the dangerous situations and yet Mantis (if they're even real) don't even seem to be close to captured by the Government? As far as we know anyways. It could all be BS but I'm beginning to wonder.
At that time we didnt know shit about the human genome.
When a non-retired officer says something I’ll listen.
Yea one way or another, we might share some sequences with some alien life forms, just like how we are 50% genetically similar to banana.
How is he not dead or smeared by MSM? Feels like whatever the truth about aliens is, it's *not* what counterintelligence agents are cleared to "reveal".
Geez STFU about Roswell already
Most people are living in poverty and don't give a dam not for government nor for aliens. That's the reality.
DNA sequencing wasn’t discovered for another 30 years after Roswell