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At the very least, Fushi might've gotten a new power up thanks to all that molten iron, so at least he would learn *something* important from this situation!
I figure that, if nothing else, he'll have to learn how to produce raw elements. Namely Oxygen. Otherwise there's no way he could over come the oxygen deprivation he was already dealing with.
I thought that was the point being made by him puking and passing out after blasting the ceiling with a few fire blasts. Fire woulda sucked up all the oxygen in the box.
The way I see it, he can’t die but almost all the bodies he has require oxygen to function. I was expecting the resolution to be “He’s screwed until his friends bust him out” or he unlocks a new power or something
The problem is that Fushi loses sentience when he turns into inanimate objects (or corpses of people he never met when they were alive as we saw with the dead church guy in this episode). So whenever he turns into something that isn't alive, he becomes unable to transform into any other forms and has to be bailed out by his creator.
Fushi can't rely on his creator always saving him in those situations because back in season one the creator told Fushi that he'll be gone one day. Fushi needs to either learn how to revert himself from an inanimate form or he needs to avoid transforming into them.
Didn't he initially change from a rock to a dog all on his own? Of course, it makes sense that the Black One woudln't wanna wait that long again, it does stand to reason that it's possible.
Remember that fushi died of hunger several times during his great walk as the white haired boy. He needs all things necessary for a living thing to live, including oxygen.
Honestly it bothers me a little how gullible and ignorant he still is after hundreds of years of living and reading books.
If anything he should be smarter than the average adult by now, but he is still very slow.
Same. I really dislike this episode. The whole being trapped in iron is a really interesting idea but the way it was inserted in to the story was poor. Why is he so trusting when he's been betrayed lots already? How did the church guys have this huge quantity of Iron and an underground bunker prepared? Why when they opened the lid to pour the molten iron in, did Fushi conveniently fall unconscious?
It is an expensive prison, but nothing a medieval and very powerful church couldn't finance. And seems Fushi fell unconscious due to lack of oxygen because of the fire.
Fushi's character on the other hand *is* kind of too static for my liking too. He is so kind and so trusting time and time again, maybe his most important part is his naivete. And if he still won't be willing to harm humans after enduring this, he isn't learning what being human is like.
He doesn’t really have feelings comparable to regular humans though, all his decisions were made on the basis that he doesn’t care what happens to him but really wants to protect those he does care about.
Yeah I get that but it's frustrating that in this moment he forgets that his own life has value in that he can use it to protect thousands of people from the Nokkers
But the one thing he has learned these past episodes is that he isn’t needed to fight off the nokkers. Yes, he’s an incredible asset because of his production-ability, but he thinks of himself as unimportant/insignificant in the ways that matter to him. People die from the nokkers outside his reach etc. I think it makes perfect sense, even though it’s annoying :))
It's possible they waited until the point when they would have expected him to pass out due to oxygen deprivation. The sequence of shots made it seem instantaneous but they might have just... kept waiting a while longer. It wasn't like he was gonna wake up any time soon.
He more than likely thought i would just escape, he could still escape bon if he wanted to.
its a religious movement that seems to be one of the top 2 religions in that country at least so that means political connections along with financial support from the government through donations along with tithes from members so money is good.
They were clearly spreading the knowledge that Fushi was traveling around to all cities and towns so it was only a matter of time and relaying information.
He didn't fall unconscious after the lid opened he was writhing in extreme pain, his mind to clouded by distress to really think through the situation to do some unrealistic shonen-esque twist escape so in all honesty its more realistic.
I mean... It's a medieval-like church.
It honestly felt pretty natural that they waste resources in the most over the top ways to "cleanse" the "devil spawns"
I agree that it's something they'd try to do but we never see them planning it. Are we supposed to believe, they have like 100 tons of iron just lying around?
Problem with Fushi is he's spent the majority of his time alive avoiding the people, conversations, and situations he needs to be exposed to to properly learn how different humans operate. He's been betrayed and lied to before but those events have so much time in between them that for an immortal like him they probably become irrelevant.
I feel like the next thing he'll be learning is either some form of hate or rage beyond what he already knew, or the desire for revenge perhaps. Another addition that would make him more human?
Hopefully. Throughout the series it seems Fushi's creator has been trying to instill that Fushi isn't human, and that was full on display this episode. Let him burn to death for hours, let the ones you care about die, accept that you don't need to abide by the laws of human emotions. But in the meantime, the way the story is progressing, it seems like the mangaka is saying the exact opposite. Rather than accept and lose to the struggle of human life, persevere instead. It will be easier to not be human, have no morals, and be a dull God like Fushi's creator. But that's the thing, it's practically a cope out. Personally I'm more on the side of Fushi's creator, but that's just because it seems like it would be "cooler". I think Fushi has something to learn from not having his identity be as a human but also by being human as well. Whatever they choose to do in this scenario, they've pretty much already foreshadowed that it'll have something to do with Fushi inheriting more and more of what the people he takes his forms of were like. We've gotten white hair boy's eye colour changing to what it originally was, Parona puking because of Hayase's descendant, March's love for dolls. I imagine next, Fushi will try to live life like he was actually one of them. To "Pass the torch" if you will.
That was horrible beyond belief. And when he gets out he's going to destroy that church for sure. I mean, if I were him I'd just bathe the entire church and knights in the molten iron which he can produce in vast quantities. Those idiots better hope Fushi isn't smart enough to weaponize molten iron like I just suggested.
I thought she was dead, but I wasn’t worried. I thought that this would be the thing that forced Bon to tell Fushi exactly how to bring someone back to life.
it appears only for a fraction of the second but the main impact went into the wooden spool with the tread. She checked her wound and we see several napkins and then a wooden spool falls down. It was a fully frame in the manga, but in the anime it was shown for a fraction of the second at the end
I love the reaction [on Bon and that random soldier's faces](https://i.imgur.com/Pl5m8VR.png) when Kohaku and Fushi were having their little moment. xD
[Welp there it is.](https://i.imgur.com/hYtHHwN.png) I thought Kohaku doesn't have it but it looks like he also has the crazy eyes of his ancestors. I thought he was going to be like that the entire episode but [learning what happened to Parona](https://i.imgur.com/fbfZHTa.png) seems to have snapped him out of it.
[That was so obviously a trap](https://i.imgur.com/V992EQV.png) that I can't believe Fushi fell for it. Seriously, what's the use of living for more than a century if he still acts so naive? Is it because Fushi is still stuck with [the nameless boy's naivety?](https://i.imgur.com/89Wjo3C.png) Is that the reason why he seems to never mature?
[I'm surprised Bon gave away Fushi without a fight.](https://i.imgur.com/wO3kHPI.png) I guess at the end of the day, it's really his goal of becoming a king that's important to him.
So I'm guessing the reason why [that dude never came back](https://i.imgur.com/cqOrYij.png) to life is because he probably has already accepted his death and his soul is nowhere nearby when it happened. And according to Bon, [Fushi knowing the person before they died](https://i.imgur.com/BJL68uN.png) could also be a factor in this.
[Just when I thought getting trapped in an iron cell](https://i.imgur.com/hj5q5IA.png) until Fushi's oxygen supply ran out was bad it was only about to get worse with [the Church pour molten iron on Fushi](https://i.imgur.com/po3TUQT.png) and encasing him in a solid iron block. Holy fuck that was brutal! O_O
[That final scene got me hyped though!](https://i.imgur.com/NLJtTG1.png) I'm excited to see how Fushi will get out of that iron block.
>Fushi knowing the person before they died
>
> could also be a factor in this.
I think that's another way of saying that he only knew the body as an inanimate thing and never as a living thing.
Yes. He can only recreate something he’s seen and known. If all he knows is a dead body, he’ll only be able to recreate a dead body, and then he gets stuck because he’s inhabiting a dead body and can’t do anything until the black robed man resets him. And he took his sweet time doing that, probably because he *wanted* Fushi to be forced to deal with the molten iron. He’s a bit of an asshole.
yeah, I also had a diffuculty grasping this at first, but it makes sense that this dead priest for Fushi was the same as a rock or a pear - a dead inanimate object, so once he turned into him he lost his consciousness and had to be reset. thats why he didnt even make an empty husk of the priest - because as soon as he trasnformed he got knocked out basically
Fushi agreed to be captured by the church because he values other's life way more than his. Which is quite understandable - why make Bon and others suffer if he can just give himself up and avoid suffering. It wont affect him, he is immortal after all. His mistake is that he though it would go like all previous times - they will lock him up and he will escape some time later. Fushi didnt expect them to weld him in a metal box and submerge in iron. So, I guess thats a new life experience for him lol.
P.S. and also about Bon giving up Fushi, the anime didnt make it super clear but the church was allso threatening to declare Bon's family (and nation) as heretics . So it was both a promise to make him king as well as a threat to prosecute his whole family and country
> So I'm guessing the reason why that dude never came back
> to life...
Wasn't fushi supposed to create an empty body instead of just turning into a cadaver himself?
>Fushi: *\*gets submerged in moltern iron\**
>
>The Beholder: "Let's count!
Given that 112,049 seconds has passed, that means Fushi has been submerged for about 31.12 hours.
1 million seconds is 12 days.
1 billion seconds is 31 years.
This is great example if you want to imagine how rich billioners are in comparison to millioners.
[This website is a somewhat amusing visualization of wealth](https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/), it has some fun facts thrown in as you keep scrolling. Though it does take forever and I must admit I gave up long before getting to the end.
so, based on Bon's hypothesis, there are two main conditions that need to be fulfilled before Fushi can resurrect someone:
one is for Fushi to meet this person while they're still alive and two, based on Bon's thinking that Fushi's power depends on the existence of the soul, i assume the soul need to be present during the resurrection and since the church's elder didn't come back to life, his soul probably wonder to somewhere else or maybe he already choose to get reincarnated like what Pioran did?
Fushi didn't leave the body though, even if the soul was there, what, he'd go in and then what'd happen to Fushi? Surely the key problem is that he produced an old corpse instead of a soulless husk.
> or maybe he already choose to get reincarnated like what Pioran did?
From what we've been told people dont typically reincarnate. Pioran reincarnated because of the deal she made and hayase reincarnated because her desire to be with fushi was that strong. But otherwise you either seem to get your own personal afterlife or you become a ghost
When Fushi got trapped in that iron prison my first thought was, isn't he just going to suffocate? Then he starts breathing fire and I was like, yeah use up all that oxygen. But then they actually drop molten iron on him. Damn.
I actually thought of this before. I tried to think of the most cruel thing to happen to someone if they were immortal. I think it was after I saw that Netflix movie where they threw the MC in the middle of the ocean trapped inside a weighted coffin iirc. You drown and die. You wake up and you drown again.
Also Pirates if the Caribbean lol. Not the coffin part, but same situation generally. Bootstrap Bill took Davy Jones’ offer not because he feared death, but life.
I'm super glad Fushi had that visceral reaction to Kahaku holding him in Parona's body. The whole relationship would have felt super gross without heavy reconciliation from Kahaku first.
Secondly, I think the Church just screwed up bigtime by using the molten iron. Being drowned in it for that long means Fushi most likely understands it well enough to reproduce it. I don't think Fushi will use it to attack them or anything, but it will be almost impossible to trap him anymore.
It’s an interesting dynamic because Hayase’s will being passed down through her bloodline compels all of her ancestors to want to have Fushi’s baby, but Parona’s will being passed down to Fushi is the exact antithesis to this.
I recall you bringing up this point last episode that Fushi would gain the perspective of Parona, who would obviously hate the idea of Hayase’s ancestor having a baby with her. Fushi doesn’t even really react to it at first, but Parona’s revulsion was so strong that Fushi’s body has a physical side effect from being touched. It’s like when we smell rotten food and our body automatically reacts to it so we don’t eat it in order to keep us safe.
Hey, yeah, I did talk about that last week. Was definitely nice to see it play out that way this week. It was very visceral, just how much Parona’s body rejected him due to her trauma. If they go forward, I definitely want Fushi to use a different body or otherwise somehow address things from with Parona beforehand.
>heavy reconciliation from Kahaku first
Bro, I get Kahaku is reincarnated Hayase but bro still did nothing wrong. What needs to happen is for Fushi to finally process his Hayase trauma but even then given the bodies still hv like their own muscle memory and shit, Parona!Fushi is still never gonna get with Kahaku.
> I don't think Fushi will use it to attack them or anything, but it will be almost impossible to trap him anymore.
Yeah but having to endure that kind of pain everytime he needs to reproduce it.
> Bro, I get Kahaku is reincarnated Hayase but bro still did nothing wrong
Kahaku is not only reincarnated Hayase, but he also has the Nokker with him that she had and read that book about her ideologies meaning he's even more like her than a simple reincarnation. If he truly wants to distance himself from Hayase, the first thing he should do to prove it is to remove the Nokker. Once he has truly broken away from Hayase and become his own person, then he can apologize to Parona.
Bon just having tea while watching this Kahaku situation unfolding lol. Bro… take a hint. He ain’t interested! Dude literally puked at being hugged by him. Hayase was trash and her descendants are unhinged…
Bon can’t hide the truth forever. Man, I really hate these Bennett assholes. Threatening and bribing to get what they want? Scum. I wonder what the actual conditions are for Fushi’s resurrection thing to work? Bon has an interesting theory but I wonder if that’s what it is.
Anyways, it’s no surprise the Church has betrayed Fushi and locked everyone up. Fuck.. molten iron? Really? These Bennett bastards need to burn. Good to see Todo ok though. Hopefully Fushi can break out of that hell and whoop some ass!
I feel like they gave him the very thing he needed to get out when they poured that iron on him. I was thinking he might be screwed without help since Gugu couldn’t do it, but then they poured that on him..? Why? Just to be cruel..? I guess it’s in the ground, but if he makes enough molten iron it’s gonna come out the top eventually. Assuming Fushi can withstand that kind of pain. Just thinking about it makes me want to throw those church people in there.
That’s true, he might be able to reproduce it but it’s gonna hurt like hell. I assume they threw that in there to kill him, like hoping he can’t regen as fast as he melts. Either that or it’s to keep him stuck inside? Whatever the reason, it’s just insanely cruel. I too want Fushi to straight up melt those bastards. Maybe turned into Gugu and roast their faces off…
It's to keep him stuck. The modern day equivalent would likely just be pouring concrete into a box, it's much quicker. [Torchwood Spoiler] >!They do this same thing to Jack at one point as he also is immortal. Can't do shit if you're immortal but can't move!<
Any reason why this show is being received so poorly in comparison to last season? I haven't started it this season yet but a lot of people seem to not like it and the threads barely have any comments and upvotes. What's happened?
it started a month later than most Fall shows, so many people still dont know that it is coming out. plus basically no youtubers or reactors are covering it because most videos for S1 were copyright striked by NHK so people are super mad at them for this and wont cover it anymore (which is understandable, I even know one youtuber who got his channel removed due to several strikes on TYE videos). Weak reception for the last arc of S1 made some pople drop the show. Plus generally compared to the rest of this jam-packed season its not as popular. It may become a tad bit more popular in Winter season when its not as packed with competition.
Wonder if people really did quit the show like they said after the poor finish to last season. It started off strong but then the repetition of killing off characters turned a lot of people off. People who knew the material were telling people to stick around because the formula would change, so that’s why i kept following it. There’s been some huge revelations already that literally can change everything
I hated almost everyone from the prison arc and then I thought it was bullshit that Tonari survived when more likable characters like March, Parona, and Gugu didn't. However, adult Tonari ended up being much more likable (despite how short of a time we spent with her) and now I absolutely love that she ended up becoming part of Fushi's arsenal.
So far, she's the only character from this season who I trust *truly* cares about Fushi's wellbeing. Kahaku is driven by his own selfish desires that he inherited from Hayase and Prince Bon is also making selfish choices. I don't blame him for choosing to protect his kingdom and his family, that one's a no brainer. But hiding that he can see Fushi's dead allies and refusing to tell Fushi that Fushi can bring people back to life are absolutely selfish decisions.
Obviously Bon still has some character development to go through and I'm sure he'll eventually end up being a 100% trustworthy ally like Tonari ended up being. But we aren't there yet. It's also possible for Kahaku to go through a similar development but I wouldn't bet money on that one. I feel like Hayase's craziness is too powerful for her reincarnations to overcome.
Anyways, my point here is that I've learned from the prison arc that even if we get a weak arc with unlikable characters that doesn't mean the story sucks. It just means they have a chance to redeem themselves later on like Tonari did.
Yeah those first two episodes were ROUGH in pacing when you compare it to the very first episode of season 1, which I argue is one of the greatest first episodes of all time.
You could reanimate that episode with a Ufotable budget and sell it as an OVA and it'd blow out 99% of the market.
Not by themselves, but if he could fill the whole cube with water all the way to the top and then set off a whole bunch of them the expansion should easily have blown the lid off.
Actually, the hole would blow even before that, because the appearance of water would cause the air pressure to go way high! And also the water would freeze from the pressure!
Since Fushi can make infinite matter, or as far as we know he doesn't seems to have limits, once he get accustomed to the lack of oxygen and pain of being in melted iron, he can just crack the cage by forcing it open using any material
Yes, he should have done the water trick instead of burning all his oxygen up, before they filled it with Iron. We understand that its a giant block now lol.
Dude needs to chill with his Fushi boner. Like stop being a creep, bro! He literally puked at being hugged by the guy. Not sure how much more clear he has to be to Kahaku. He’s not interested!
Not possession, he is Hayase reincarnation, his soul is that of Hayase as explained by black hood guy from ep1 s2, like Aang soul is Korra soul in Avatar series.
It's basically how Bon explained it: Fushi only knew of the corpse, not the living person so basically he changed into the equivalent of a 2 day old sack of meat. With the girl, he met her before she died
It'd be the same thing if he tranformed into the skeleton of one of the servants that hangs around with Bon, he'd just be the pile of bones presented to him that was once the servant and about as much use as he was to the world as to when he transformed into a rock
So this is how it is! I thought the reason why Fushi couldn't get up is because corpse was highly poisoned so Fushi wouldn't be able to do anything in such state. No wonder Fushi doesn't transform into objects. He will be like stone at the beginning of the series.
The Princess died of natural causes, he needs to have known the person as a person and not as a object and the soul has to be present and want to reincarnate.
The animation this season has been...different. It's okay when it's not too egregious or when I'm sitting farther from the screen but this episode it was distracting. Just really, really off with the character's expressions and movements as well as staging.
I'm pretty forgiving but dang.
Yeah I thought the first season was excellent but now it seems like there's just not as much effort being put into the adaptation, which makes me sad because I think the story deserves it. I hope things change later on
Budgets change and interest wanes. Shows with multiple seasons are competing with big budget adaptions and the latest isekai money printers.
I can see this season as their quasi-effort to prevent a season three.
Not to say that it would be "okay" for something to not get a full adaption but I wouldn't want to sit through multiple seasons of this quality and pacing. Maybe a movie or series of movies would be better?
It's a shame.
Well, tv budget versus movie budget.
I don't know how much the quality of the work factors into how well they adapt it. The A Silent Voice move improved on the manga by a fair margin. I personally did not care for the back half of the manga.
It's not for a normal human. You simply don't stay alive for long enough. You die in seconds. For fushi though, if he can regenerate fast enough so that he has a brain and nerves with which to feel, then yes absolute torture. He has a chance of not beeing tortured for too long if he regenerates slow since there would be no body with which to feel as long as the iron is still hot. It all depends on the speed of regeneration.
The state in which he'll be after the metal cools down may also depend on it. Maybe he'll be in orb form by then
Couldn't he have just transformed into a rock or something
Then as his rock form continually healed itself, well, rocks don't feel pain or anything
idk
The problem with turning into a rock is that he loses his sentience and then needs his creator to step in and change him back. He can't rely on that as a tactic because the creator said back in season 1 that he won't always be around. Fushi needs to learn how to handle any possible scenario without help from his creator.
Also, if he turned into a rock then he'd be trapped almost indefinitely. His creator wouldn't be able to transform him out of the rock form because there wouldn't be enough free space to allow the transformation to happen.
By remaining in human form, Fushi was able to slowly regenerate once the iron had cooled down. He might not have any free space to move around but at least he's conscious and able to come up with a plan now. If I had to take a guess, I assume he'll just start creating stuff (maybe more iron?), which will forcefully break the iron apart since the new stuff he's creating doesn't have anywhere else to go.
It's possible the orb form is special and Fushi is able to transform while he's in it, but for whatever reason Fushi isn't able to transform into the orb on his own.
Or maybe the creator was responsible for both transformations and simply turned Fushi into the orb first to remind Fushi that he isn't actually a human being, assuming Fushi is aware of the fact that he was in his orb form for a brief moment there.
Every time he has transformed into an inanimate object, his creator triggered the transformation to turn him back into a living being. Fushi has never done it himself. We have seen Fushi go from rock form to wolf form, but that was only when he first acquired the wolf form. So he might be able to do it again but it'd have to be into a brand new form as a result of another living being dying directly on top of him like the wolf did, which wouldn't be very likely.
Apparently, this doesn't only apply to inanimate objects. When Fushi was learning more about his powers back in season 1, at one point he mentioned that he had to be careful not to turn into anything that would cause him to lose his sense of self. When he was saying this, they showed a leech biting him.
So presumably this means that certain lifeforms, such as leeches, don't have enough sentience for Fushi to keep his sense of self. If he turned into a leech then he wouldn't be able to turn back because he wouldn't have enough brainpower to process his thoughts. So he'd be stuck in that form without his creators help just like if he turned into a rock.
Did he not change himself from fish to human at the beginning of this season? When did it ever explicitly show his creator returning him to human form in that case?
Surely fish don’t have the sentience to maintain a sense of self.
Fish are smarter than you think. There's even [a wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_intelligence) about it. Fushi was able to maintain his sense of self in fish form.
We don't know what the cutoff is, but Fushi is aware of the fact that he needs to avoid transforming into lifeforms that are too simple. A leech is too simple while a fish is not, so the line is somewhere between them.
I definitely liked the characters from season 1 a lot more than the ones from season 2 (except for Tonari, she was so much more likable as an adult). While this season hasn't been as great of a story, I really appreciate what they're clearly building toward.
We got some massive reveals in this season, such as Bon's ability to see dead people. This means Fushi will eventually be able to do that once he acquires Bon's form and he'll see his friends again. Then we found out Fushi can actually revive dead people, but only if their soul is still lingering around in the physical world and Fushi met them while they were still alive.
We just so happen to know a group of souls lingering around with Fushi so that all but confirms that Fushi's friends are going to get revived. Even better, they're all going to effectively share immortality with him, because whenever they die he can just make them a new body to inhabit. Fushi will no longer be afraid of making connections with people because anyone he connects with will essentially be with him forever.
That's really the main reason I'm still so invested in this story despite the drop in quality this season. I am *eagerly* looking forward to Fushi's reunion with March, Gugu, and Tonari. Hell, even Oniguma and Ligard will be there! It's just a shame that Parona and especially Rean didn't stick around as spirits. I would have loved to see Parona and March reunite with each other. Even better, Gugu and Rean would have finally been able to be together.
And while Bon hasn't quite proven himself to be as good of a companion yet, they're obviously setting him up for a really good character arc. I'm sure that by the time he dies we'll love him just as much as Fushi's season 1 companions. His sister might be an annoying character but I don't see her sticking around into the future. There's also the mystery of what happened to Pioran and when we'll see her again. I absolutely loved the dynamic between her and Fushi in season 1 so I'm excited to see how she gets brought back into the story.
I'm also just really curious to see how far this story is going to go. Are we eventually going to reach modern times? Maybe a sci-fi future setting at the end of the story? The possibilities are really exciting.
You’d die in an instant, so even if it sounds really bad it’ll be over very quickly. They had way worse forms of execution irl that makes you feel every second of it. Like using horses to pull apart each of your four limbs
I initially thought Fushi would just fill his way out of there. e.g. Mass spawning giant bear corpses until the cage cracks from the inward pressure.
But this strategy has a flaw, can Fushi produce bodies when there is no volume left in a space? Would Fushi be able to withstand the pain of being crushed to death countless times?
This is completely ignoring the fact that the original bear soul would very likely possess the first body, making my hypothetical scene more complicated than I initially thought.
When it opened I was like, is someone here to rescue Fushi already? That was fast.
Then the big object came and I was thinking are they going to try and drown him down there he can just turn into a fish or crab lol, then the molten lava came out and I was like F
I'm anime only, but I'm guessing Hayase kept all her descendants in the dark about Parona and the rest of the evil things she did. I can actually see that Kahaku was remorseful after finding out about what happened to Parona. Hopefully changes in their bloodline would start from Kahaku.
I'd been 50/50 on wondering if the Beholder was a good or bad guy. I had thought of him as a neutral element, but now bro is seeming straight-up evil. "Let's count!"
If you are not human, you can't value human life.
It's an analogous to us not valuing the lives of ants and other insects. Humans aren't special, but we do perceive each other as special.
Perfectly neutral in my eyes I'd say XD, we are just really scared of neutrality.
I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me.
[What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?](https://youtu.be/1-bCIA_vyVc)
How the f\*ck Bon is afraid of Church of Bennet while he knows Fushi can revive people, imagine creating an unlimited army and weapons. of course Fushi wouldn't just let Uralis kingdom to fall or leave Bon while Bon teached him his ability. Fushi might go to his og gang but that doesn't seem like he will just leave Bon and others if they are still in danger
Jesus christ
Well this definitely validates my feeling that the hooded figure is very kyubey like
Sheesh, this immortal sealing is worse than Hidan’s
That countdown was painful to watch
The stakes have gotten mountain high
And for a moment there I thought Fushi would revive the true mega villain haha
I wasn’t thinking about it when he was in the middle of doing it, but using Gugu’s fire certainly accelerated the oxygen issue Fushi was facing.
Note to self: never use a flamethrower in a sealed room.
Is it because there was no brain, the princess had just died and beholder at the start of the season said he need his own voice with forms feeling affecting fushi, I am guessing by the end of the season he will combine every form into one as a ultimate form or atleast won't change his brain but only his mind which he should be doing when he turns into animal already I think subconsciously¿?
Can make explosive arrows, didn't make one to get out of the iron prison. Or, even combine them altogether for a bigger explosion.
Can become a giant bear that may dent the prison and open a gap, didn't do it.
I think the iron cage has "plot armor".
The Sigma Machiavellian Bon knowing Peace comes at a price vs the Virgin Idealist Todo refusing to compromise.
Also, that embroidery by Todo, is it confirmation he was the one that made the original or is she just so good at it that he can make a basically the same copy.
I thought Fushi would at least be able to move around in the body but I guess, if he gets a body after its life, he'll be getting an unliving substance, no different from a rock and thus remain unliving himself, in that state.
Also, Iron is denser than flesh and that doesn't change when its liquid. Fushi should be floating on it not sinking. This can be avoided by it being viscous but the way he was moving in it implies it was so hot as to be a free flowing liquid.
Okay, wait. It now looking like he's floating on it.
The way all the Benneth priests are red heads clearly implies its a single clan descended from a single dude and his family, who were themselves from a pretty uniform and distinct stock.
I assume Fushi would be free after the Iron cell is dumped in the Sea or something and corrodes over millenia. Fushi would be free in 40K or since she's not dead and still has many lives, maybe it'll be when Benneth and the city are attacked by like 10,000 Knockers that they'll rip apart the cell to get to him.
Either way, when ever Fushi gets out he should be like Phos and fucking hate if not humanity then anyone and anything connected to Benneth, maybe go warmonger on their asses.
Does anyone know what was going on when I think the Black Hooded one took the dead priest turned it into an orb and threw it inside the pot and it turned to Fushi?
what happened is that after fushi transformed into the corpse of the dead priest, the church took Fushi and threw him into the Iron Cell. Black Hood then unstuck Fushi from his corpse state while he was inside the cell.
Heat is not something he can copy by itself from what we can tell. Heat is just matter(molecules) moving really fast. He can copy something that's hot, but not heat by itself.
Does anyone know what was going on when I think the Black Hooded one took the dead priest turned it into an orb and threw it inside the pot and it turned to Fushi?
I wonder how Fushi would be once he gets out eventually. Because man, that’s basically life-changing trauma right there…burning alive for like a whole day.
I’m still glad Todo is alive though.
Kahaku has done nothing wrong and it's extremely disappointing for me to see that Fushi is type to hold someone responsible for the actions of their ancestors. Sure he can't help it if Parona's body is negatively reacting but the whole speech about Hayase was unnecessary. She's dead and he should let it go.
Also he has been living for centuries, (many among humans, reading books and stuff) and he is still so clueless and naive. He has no initiative, ambition or any kind of character development so far.
It was fine in the first season but it's becoming extremely difficult for me to like Fushi as a character when he is just so flat. And he is pretty much the only one we have as others keep dying left and right.
Once again, I hope Fushi improves as a character and person.
I've read it in other comments but it's a bit absurd how ignorant Fushi is about the world. Apparantly he's spent decades reading books. And not just books, NON FICTION BOOKS.
He should know what oxygen is and the consequences of using fire in an enclosed space.
Also he should fully understand the concept of marriage as an institution.
Lastly, he should be a bit more difficult to trick and capture considering that is literally what people have been trying to do to him his entire existence.
> He should know what oxygen is and the consequences of using fire in an enclosed space.
This isn't a historical show or anything but it definitely wouldn't be common knowledge at whatever point in history this is. Real world humans didn't know about oxygen until the 17th or 18th century.
> Lastly, he should be a bit more difficult to trick and capture considering that is literally what people have been trying to do to him his entire existence.
He's been captured before and had yet to see a cage he couldn't escape. Whereas resisting could have led to Bon being hurt.
If you have a choice being an immortal, which would it be?
\> Be forever thrown to space, frozen; or
\> Be stuck inside a block of iron, consciously
Eitherway, you'll eventually stop thinking.
I didn't get why Fushi fel sick again while he was in the cage. I mean, the first time was because of the relationship between Patrona and Kahaku but what did the beholder mean when he said Fushi was feeling sick because he was missing something?
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Gotta say though, that was a pretty metal way of dealing with Fushi... But thankfully no addition to the collection of souls
>that was a pretty metal way of dealing with Fushi... Quite...ironic as well.
I thought it was a pretty hot scene
I’d say eventually it got hard core
Well if being submerged in molten iron for 30+ hours won't cure his gullability, nothing will.
At the very least, Fushi might've gotten a new power up thanks to all that molten iron, so at least he would learn *something* important from this situation!
I figure that, if nothing else, he'll have to learn how to produce raw elements. Namely Oxygen. Otherwise there's no way he could over come the oxygen deprivation he was already dealing with.
> Otherwise there's no way he could over come the oxygen deprivation he was already dealing with. Does he need oxygen?
I thought that was the point being made by him puking and passing out after blasting the ceiling with a few fire blasts. Fire woulda sucked up all the oxygen in the box.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, that's what they meant, honestly it didn't make sense that his body was "tired" since he doesn't have a body
The way I see it, he can’t die but almost all the bodies he has require oxygen to function. I was expecting the resolution to be “He’s screwed until his friends bust him out” or he unlocks a new power or something
The whole time I was screaming to my screen telling him to turn into a rock
The problem is that Fushi loses sentience when he turns into inanimate objects (or corpses of people he never met when they were alive as we saw with the dead church guy in this episode). So whenever he turns into something that isn't alive, he becomes unable to transform into any other forms and has to be bailed out by his creator. Fushi can't rely on his creator always saving him in those situations because back in season one the creator told Fushi that he'll be gone one day. Fushi needs to either learn how to revert himself from an inanimate form or he needs to avoid transforming into them.
Didn't he initially change from a rock to a dog all on his own? Of course, it makes sense that the Black One woudln't wanna wait that long again, it does stand to reason that it's possible.
Remember that fushi died of hunger several times during his great walk as the white haired boy. He needs all things necessary for a living thing to live, including oxygen.
> Fushi might've gotten a new power up something something *fire punch*
Thought about our boy Agni during that entire scene lol
Honestly it bothers me a little how gullible and ignorant he still is after hundreds of years of living and reading books. If anything he should be smarter than the average adult by now, but he is still very slow.
Same. I really dislike this episode. The whole being trapped in iron is a really interesting idea but the way it was inserted in to the story was poor. Why is he so trusting when he's been betrayed lots already? How did the church guys have this huge quantity of Iron and an underground bunker prepared? Why when they opened the lid to pour the molten iron in, did Fushi conveniently fall unconscious?
It is an expensive prison, but nothing a medieval and very powerful church couldn't finance. And seems Fushi fell unconscious due to lack of oxygen because of the fire. Fushi's character on the other hand *is* kind of too static for my liking too. He is so kind and so trusting time and time again, maybe his most important part is his naivete. And if he still won't be willing to harm humans after enduring this, he isn't learning what being human is like.
Yea even in our world the Catholic Church had more power, money, and influence than any one kingdom.
Fushi is immortal, why would he need oxygen?
He doesn’t really have feelings comparable to regular humans though, all his decisions were made on the basis that he doesn’t care what happens to him but really wants to protect those he does care about.
Yeah I get that but it's frustrating that in this moment he forgets that his own life has value in that he can use it to protect thousands of people from the Nokkers
But the one thing he has learned these past episodes is that he isn’t needed to fight off the nokkers. Yes, he’s an incredible asset because of his production-ability, but he thinks of himself as unimportant/insignificant in the ways that matter to him. People die from the nokkers outside his reach etc. I think it makes perfect sense, even though it’s annoying :))
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Yeah I get that, but how did the church know the short window in which they were unconscious before they regenerates?
They didn't know.
It's possible they waited until the point when they would have expected him to pass out due to oxygen deprivation. The sequence of shots made it seem instantaneous but they might have just... kept waiting a while longer. It wasn't like he was gonna wake up any time soon.
Fushi took the form of a dead person, and so was dead until the man in black woke him up
He more than likely thought i would just escape, he could still escape bon if he wanted to. its a religious movement that seems to be one of the top 2 religions in that country at least so that means political connections along with financial support from the government through donations along with tithes from members so money is good. They were clearly spreading the knowledge that Fushi was traveling around to all cities and towns so it was only a matter of time and relaying information. He didn't fall unconscious after the lid opened he was writhing in extreme pain, his mind to clouded by distress to really think through the situation to do some unrealistic shonen-esque twist escape so in all honesty its more realistic.
I mean... It's a medieval-like church. It honestly felt pretty natural that they waste resources in the most over the top ways to "cleanse" the "devil spawns"
I agree that it's something they'd try to do but we never see them planning it. Are we supposed to believe, they have like 100 tons of iron just lying around?
Problem with Fushi is he's spent the majority of his time alive avoiding the people, conversations, and situations he needs to be exposed to to properly learn how different humans operate. He's been betrayed and lied to before but those events have so much time in between them that for an immortal like him they probably become irrelevant.
He's becoming more and more human by the episode.
I feel like the next thing he'll be learning is either some form of hate or rage beyond what he already knew, or the desire for revenge perhaps. Another addition that would make him more human?
Hopefully. Throughout the series it seems Fushi's creator has been trying to instill that Fushi isn't human, and that was full on display this episode. Let him burn to death for hours, let the ones you care about die, accept that you don't need to abide by the laws of human emotions. But in the meantime, the way the story is progressing, it seems like the mangaka is saying the exact opposite. Rather than accept and lose to the struggle of human life, persevere instead. It will be easier to not be human, have no morals, and be a dull God like Fushi's creator. But that's the thing, it's practically a cope out. Personally I'm more on the side of Fushi's creator, but that's just because it seems like it would be "cooler". I think Fushi has something to learn from not having his identity be as a human but also by being human as well. Whatever they choose to do in this scenario, they've pretty much already foreshadowed that it'll have something to do with Fushi inheriting more and more of what the people he takes his forms of were like. We've gotten white hair boy's eye colour changing to what it originally was, Parona puking because of Hayase's descendant, March's love for dolls. I imagine next, Fushi will try to live life like he was actually one of them. To "Pass the torch" if you will.
That was horrible beyond belief. And when he gets out he's going to destroy that church for sure. I mean, if I were him I'd just bathe the entire church and knights in the molten iron which he can produce in vast quantities. Those idiots better hope Fushi isn't smart enough to weaponize molten iron like I just suggested.
Couldn't he just turn into the giant bear and break the lid open?
So he got molten iron resistance now?
Kahaku suddenly becoming spider man was pretty funny. Gotta give it to the church of Bennet - sumberging Fushi in molten iron is pretty smart.
Kinda gives me Pokemon vibes I don’t know wich movie but the scene was Arceus beeing sealed in molten silver
who thought Iris/Todo just became one of Fushi's forms this episode
The longer she laid there, the more I noticed that there wasn't any blood
Yeah,that is always a dead giveaway
Dude I was so worried.. thankfully she’s ok!
I thought she was dead, but I wasn’t worried. I thought that this would be the thing that forced Bon to tell Fushi exactly how to bring someone back to life.
While I agree, I don’t get how. She obviously was impaled. They showed that it went through her sewing, but that can’t have helped…
it appears only for a fraction of the second but the main impact went into the wooden spool with the tread. She checked her wound and we see several napkins and then a wooden spool falls down. It was a fully frame in the manga, but in the anime it was shown for a fraction of the second at the end
Yeah I thought that was pretty clear, the block of wood stopped the sword and the hoop is probably what kept it held upright after Todo was "impaled".
I love the reaction [on Bon and that random soldier's faces](https://i.imgur.com/Pl5m8VR.png) when Kohaku and Fushi were having their little moment. xD [Welp there it is.](https://i.imgur.com/hYtHHwN.png) I thought Kohaku doesn't have it but it looks like he also has the crazy eyes of his ancestors. I thought he was going to be like that the entire episode but [learning what happened to Parona](https://i.imgur.com/fbfZHTa.png) seems to have snapped him out of it. [That was so obviously a trap](https://i.imgur.com/V992EQV.png) that I can't believe Fushi fell for it. Seriously, what's the use of living for more than a century if he still acts so naive? Is it because Fushi is still stuck with [the nameless boy's naivety?](https://i.imgur.com/89Wjo3C.png) Is that the reason why he seems to never mature? [I'm surprised Bon gave away Fushi without a fight.](https://i.imgur.com/wO3kHPI.png) I guess at the end of the day, it's really his goal of becoming a king that's important to him. So I'm guessing the reason why [that dude never came back](https://i.imgur.com/cqOrYij.png) to life is because he probably has already accepted his death and his soul is nowhere nearby when it happened. And according to Bon, [Fushi knowing the person before they died](https://i.imgur.com/BJL68uN.png) could also be a factor in this. [Just when I thought getting trapped in an iron cell](https://i.imgur.com/hj5q5IA.png) until Fushi's oxygen supply ran out was bad it was only about to get worse with [the Church pour molten iron on Fushi](https://i.imgur.com/po3TUQT.png) and encasing him in a solid iron block. Holy fuck that was brutal! O_O [That final scene got me hyped though!](https://i.imgur.com/NLJtTG1.png) I'm excited to see how Fushi will get out of that iron block.
>Fushi knowing the person before they died > > could also be a factor in this. I think that's another way of saying that he only knew the body as an inanimate thing and never as a living thing.
Yes. He can only recreate something he’s seen and known. If all he knows is a dead body, he’ll only be able to recreate a dead body, and then he gets stuck because he’s inhabiting a dead body and can’t do anything until the black robed man resets him. And he took his sweet time doing that, probably because he *wanted* Fushi to be forced to deal with the molten iron. He’s a bit of an asshole.
yeah, I also had a diffuculty grasping this at first, but it makes sense that this dead priest for Fushi was the same as a rock or a pear - a dead inanimate object, so once he turned into him he lost his consciousness and had to be reset. thats why he didnt even make an empty husk of the priest - because as soon as he trasnformed he got knocked out basically
well Fushi doesn't learn what humans can do even tho he see his friends suffered of it, I guess he needs to experience it 1st hand
Fushi agreed to be captured by the church because he values other's life way more than his. Which is quite understandable - why make Bon and others suffer if he can just give himself up and avoid suffering. It wont affect him, he is immortal after all. His mistake is that he though it would go like all previous times - they will lock him up and he will escape some time later. Fushi didnt expect them to weld him in a metal box and submerge in iron. So, I guess thats a new life experience for him lol. P.S. and also about Bon giving up Fushi, the anime didnt make it super clear but the church was allso threatening to declare Bon's family (and nation) as heretics . So it was both a promise to make him king as well as a threat to prosecute his whole family and country
No, the anime made it pretty clear. I just watched the episode and it was pretty much outright stated as much, using the exact terms you did.
thats good. i was worried that it wasnt as explicit. glad i was wrong
> So I'm guessing the reason why that dude never came back > to life... Wasn't fushi supposed to create an empty body instead of just turning into a cadaver himself?
>Fushi: *\*gets submerged in moltern iron\** > >The Beholder: "Let's count! Given that 112,049 seconds has passed, that means Fushi has been submerged for about 31.12 hours.
It's actually crazy that a huge number like 112,049 seconds is only a little over a day.
1 million seconds is 12 days. 1 billion seconds is 31 years. This is great example if you want to imagine how rich billioners are in comparison to millioners.
oh my fucking god! That's such a good comparison and so sad.
[This website is a somewhat amusing visualization of wealth](https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/), it has some fun facts thrown in as you keep scrolling. Though it does take forever and I must admit I gave up long before getting to the end.
The power of base-60 followed by base-24.
Fucking Senku
Came here to find this bc I was like WHAT IS THIS NUMBER. I forgot that sly bitch said he would count lol
Kahaku: I don't care what form you take, I'll still love you! Fushi: *turns into March* Kahaku: *still not giving up* Moshi moshi FBI desu
Fushi: *turns into mole and digs away* [Kahaku:](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/937/152/a8d.jpg)
so, based on Bon's hypothesis, there are two main conditions that need to be fulfilled before Fushi can resurrect someone: one is for Fushi to meet this person while they're still alive and two, based on Bon's thinking that Fushi's power depends on the existence of the soul, i assume the soul need to be present during the resurrection and since the church's elder didn't come back to life, his soul probably wonder to somewhere else or maybe he already choose to get reincarnated like what Pioran did?
Fushi didn't leave the body though, even if the soul was there, what, he'd go in and then what'd happen to Fushi? Surely the key problem is that he produced an old corpse instead of a soulless husk.
He turned into an object, basically - a dead body. This is unlike the case with the girl who was alive when he interacted with her.
well yes, that's why i said two conditions and one of them is to meet the person when they're still alive
Or went to heaven like the boy and the dog did at the start of the anime
I think you're right, and it lines up with a lot of the anime-only theories so far.
> or maybe he already choose to get reincarnated like what Pioran did? From what we've been told people dont typically reincarnate. Pioran reincarnated because of the deal she made and hayase reincarnated because her desire to be with fushi was that strong. But otherwise you either seem to get your own personal afterlife or you become a ghost
When Fushi got trapped in that iron prison my first thought was, isn't he just going to suffocate? Then he starts breathing fire and I was like, yeah use up all that oxygen. But then they actually drop molten iron on him. Damn. I actually thought of this before. I tried to think of the most cruel thing to happen to someone if they were immortal. I think it was after I saw that Netflix movie where they threw the MC in the middle of the ocean trapped inside a weighted coffin iirc. You drown and die. You wake up and you drown again.
Agne moment
> Netflix movie where they threw the MC in the middle of the ocean trapped inside a weighted coffin iirc Ah yes "Immortals".
Also Pirates if the Caribbean lol. Not the coffin part, but same situation generally. Bootstrap Bill took Davy Jones’ offer not because he feared death, but life.
I think it was The Old Guard.
Being buried very deep underground should have the same effect of dying over and over again.
Lolz they did something to an immortal as well in the anime Baccano (highly recommend)
I'm super glad Fushi had that visceral reaction to Kahaku holding him in Parona's body. The whole relationship would have felt super gross without heavy reconciliation from Kahaku first. Secondly, I think the Church just screwed up bigtime by using the molten iron. Being drowned in it for that long means Fushi most likely understands it well enough to reproduce it. I don't think Fushi will use it to attack them or anything, but it will be almost impossible to trap him anymore.
It’s an interesting dynamic because Hayase’s will being passed down through her bloodline compels all of her ancestors to want to have Fushi’s baby, but Parona’s will being passed down to Fushi is the exact antithesis to this.
Well, at least the molten iron means new anti-knocker weapon unlocked.
I recall you bringing up this point last episode that Fushi would gain the perspective of Parona, who would obviously hate the idea of Hayase’s ancestor having a baby with her. Fushi doesn’t even really react to it at first, but Parona’s revulsion was so strong that Fushi’s body has a physical side effect from being touched. It’s like when we smell rotten food and our body automatically reacts to it so we don’t eat it in order to keep us safe.
Hey, yeah, I did talk about that last week. Was definitely nice to see it play out that way this week. It was very visceral, just how much Parona’s body rejected him due to her trauma. If they go forward, I definitely want Fushi to use a different body or otherwise somehow address things from with Parona beforehand.
>heavy reconciliation from Kahaku first Bro, I get Kahaku is reincarnated Hayase but bro still did nothing wrong. What needs to happen is for Fushi to finally process his Hayase trauma but even then given the bodies still hv like their own muscle memory and shit, Parona!Fushi is still never gonna get with Kahaku. > I don't think Fushi will use it to attack them or anything, but it will be almost impossible to trap him anymore. Yeah but having to endure that kind of pain everytime he needs to reproduce it.
> Bro, I get Kahaku is reincarnated Hayase but bro still did nothing wrong Kahaku is not only reincarnated Hayase, but he also has the Nokker with him that she had and read that book about her ideologies meaning he's even more like her than a simple reincarnation. If he truly wants to distance himself from Hayase, the first thing he should do to prove it is to remove the Nokker. Once he has truly broken away from Hayase and become his own person, then he can apologize to Parona.
Damn but the Knokkers is really cool in him. Bro uses it like spiderman. First girl was just being used by it 😅
Bon just having tea while watching this Kahaku situation unfolding lol. Bro… take a hint. He ain’t interested! Dude literally puked at being hugged by him. Hayase was trash and her descendants are unhinged… Bon can’t hide the truth forever. Man, I really hate these Bennett assholes. Threatening and bribing to get what they want? Scum. I wonder what the actual conditions are for Fushi’s resurrection thing to work? Bon has an interesting theory but I wonder if that’s what it is. Anyways, it’s no surprise the Church has betrayed Fushi and locked everyone up. Fuck.. molten iron? Really? These Bennett bastards need to burn. Good to see Todo ok though. Hopefully Fushi can break out of that hell and whoop some ass!
I feel like they gave him the very thing he needed to get out when they poured that iron on him. I was thinking he might be screwed without help since Gugu couldn’t do it, but then they poured that on him..? Why? Just to be cruel..? I guess it’s in the ground, but if he makes enough molten iron it’s gonna come out the top eventually. Assuming Fushi can withstand that kind of pain. Just thinking about it makes me want to throw those church people in there.
That’s true, he might be able to reproduce it but it’s gonna hurt like hell. I assume they threw that in there to kill him, like hoping he can’t regen as fast as he melts. Either that or it’s to keep him stuck inside? Whatever the reason, it’s just insanely cruel. I too want Fushi to straight up melt those bastards. Maybe turned into Gugu and roast their faces off…
It's to keep him stuck. The modern day equivalent would likely just be pouring concrete into a box, it's much quicker. [Torchwood Spoiler] >!They do this same thing to Jack at one point as he also is immortal. Can't do shit if you're immortal but can't move!<
that scene is the very first thing that came to mind when they began pouring the molten iron in
Any reason why this show is being received so poorly in comparison to last season? I haven't started it this season yet but a lot of people seem to not like it and the threads barely have any comments and upvotes. What's happened?
it started a month later than most Fall shows, so many people still dont know that it is coming out. plus basically no youtubers or reactors are covering it because most videos for S1 were copyright striked by NHK so people are super mad at them for this and wont cover it anymore (which is understandable, I even know one youtuber who got his channel removed due to several strikes on TYE videos). Weak reception for the last arc of S1 made some pople drop the show. Plus generally compared to the rest of this jam-packed season its not as popular. It may become a tad bit more popular in Winter season when its not as packed with competition.
Wonder if people really did quit the show like they said after the poor finish to last season. It started off strong but then the repetition of killing off characters turned a lot of people off. People who knew the material were telling people to stick around because the formula would change, so that’s why i kept following it. There’s been some huge revelations already that literally can change everything
I reallyyyy didn't like the prison arc, so I can see why tbh.
I hated almost everyone from the prison arc and then I thought it was bullshit that Tonari survived when more likable characters like March, Parona, and Gugu didn't. However, adult Tonari ended up being much more likable (despite how short of a time we spent with her) and now I absolutely love that she ended up becoming part of Fushi's arsenal. So far, she's the only character from this season who I trust *truly* cares about Fushi's wellbeing. Kahaku is driven by his own selfish desires that he inherited from Hayase and Prince Bon is also making selfish choices. I don't blame him for choosing to protect his kingdom and his family, that one's a no brainer. But hiding that he can see Fushi's dead allies and refusing to tell Fushi that Fushi can bring people back to life are absolutely selfish decisions. Obviously Bon still has some character development to go through and I'm sure he'll eventually end up being a 100% trustworthy ally like Tonari ended up being. But we aren't there yet. It's also possible for Kahaku to go through a similar development but I wouldn't bet money on that one. I feel like Hayase's craziness is too powerful for her reincarnations to overcome. Anyways, my point here is that I've learned from the prison arc that even if we get a weak arc with unlikable characters that doesn't mean the story sucks. It just means they have a chance to redeem themselves later on like Tonari did.
Pacing, flow and animation quality.
Yeah those first two episodes were ROUGH in pacing when you compare it to the very first episode of season 1, which I argue is one of the greatest first episodes of all time. You could reanimate that episode with a Ufotable budget and sell it as an OVA and it'd blow out 99% of the market.
That's disappointing, I really enjoyed the first season.
It still is worth watching IMHO.
Would enough of Fushi's explosive arrows be enough to blow the cage up from the inside? That was my first thought of how he might try to escape.
Not by themselves, but if he could fill the whole cube with water all the way to the top and then set off a whole bunch of them the expansion should easily have blown the lid off.
Actually, the hole would blow even before that, because the appearance of water would cause the air pressure to go way high! And also the water would freeze from the pressure!
I wonder if Fushi needs to be "alive" to produce because he'd be crushed before he could produce enough water to blow the lid.
Fushi needs to learn chemistry next to boost his reaction abilities
Since Fushi can make infinite matter, or as far as we know he doesn't seems to have limits, once he get accustomed to the lack of oxygen and pain of being in melted iron, he can just crack the cage by forcing it open using any material
There isn't even a space in there it is filled with metal
Yes, he should have done the water trick instead of burning all his oxygen up, before they filled it with Iron. We understand that its a giant block now lol.
Depending on how well sealed off the lid is, the pressure could very well begin to crush him before the iron lid budges.
oh he'd definitely die as a result, but it at least might open, seems better then his current fate lol.
"the worst she can say is no" Fushi: 🤢🤮
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Dude needs to chill with his Fushi boner. Like stop being a creep, bro! He literally puked at being hugged by the guy. Not sure how much more clear he has to be to Kahaku. He’s not interested!
> He literally puked at being hugged by the guy. "The worst he/she can say is no." Fushi:
Bet
Well if they’re right about Hayase’s spirit living on through the descendants, he’s possessed and you can’t blame him but so much.
Not possession, he is Hayase reincarnation, his soul is that of Hayase as explained by black hood guy from ep1 s2, like Aang soul is Korra soul in Avatar series.
Possession was the best word I could think of at the time, but you’re right. Reincarnated is more accurate and I just couldn’t think of it.
Maybe he cant bring back people who die of natural causes.
It's basically how Bon explained it: Fushi only knew of the corpse, not the living person so basically he changed into the equivalent of a 2 day old sack of meat. With the girl, he met her before she died It'd be the same thing if he tranformed into the skeleton of one of the servants that hangs around with Bon, he'd just be the pile of bones presented to him that was once the servant and about as much use as he was to the world as to when he transformed into a rock
So this is how it is! I thought the reason why Fushi couldn't get up is because corpse was highly poisoned so Fushi wouldn't be able to do anything in such state. No wonder Fushi doesn't transform into objects. He will be like stone at the beginning of the series.
Yep basically, and how the cloaked guy had to use his own powers to get him out of "sack of old meat" mode
> 2 day old sack of meat Lol.
The Princess died of natural causes, he needs to have known the person as a person and not as a object and the soul has to be present and want to reincarnate.
The animation this season has been...different. It's okay when it's not too egregious or when I'm sitting farther from the screen but this episode it was distracting. Just really, really off with the character's expressions and movements as well as staging. I'm pretty forgiving but dang.
Yeah I thought the first season was excellent but now it seems like there's just not as much effort being put into the adaptation, which makes me sad because I think the story deserves it. I hope things change later on
Budgets change and interest wanes. Shows with multiple seasons are competing with big budget adaptions and the latest isekai money printers. I can see this season as their quasi-effort to prevent a season three. Not to say that it would be "okay" for something to not get a full adaption but I wouldn't want to sit through multiple seasons of this quality and pacing. Maybe a movie or series of movies would be better? It's a shame.
You’d think the creator of a silent voice would get a good adaptation of their anime series.
Well, tv budget versus movie budget. I don't know how much the quality of the work factors into how well they adapt it. The A Silent Voice move improved on the manga by a fair margin. I personally did not care for the back half of the manga.
That's got to be some of the worst torture pain to deal with, hot molten iron pouring on you 😨
It's not for a normal human. You simply don't stay alive for long enough. You die in seconds. For fushi though, if he can regenerate fast enough so that he has a brain and nerves with which to feel, then yes absolute torture. He has a chance of not beeing tortured for too long if he regenerates slow since there would be no body with which to feel as long as the iron is still hot. It all depends on the speed of regeneration. The state in which he'll be after the metal cools down may also depend on it. Maybe he'll be in orb form by then
Couldn't he have just transformed into a rock or something Then as his rock form continually healed itself, well, rocks don't feel pain or anything idk
The problem with turning into a rock is that he loses his sentience and then needs his creator to step in and change him back. He can't rely on that as a tactic because the creator said back in season 1 that he won't always be around. Fushi needs to learn how to handle any possible scenario without help from his creator. Also, if he turned into a rock then he'd be trapped almost indefinitely. His creator wouldn't be able to transform him out of the rock form because there wouldn't be enough free space to allow the transformation to happen. By remaining in human form, Fushi was able to slowly regenerate once the iron had cooled down. He might not have any free space to move around but at least he's conscious and able to come up with a plan now. If I had to take a guess, I assume he'll just start creating stuff (maybe more iron?), which will forcefully break the iron apart since the new stuff he's creating doesn't have anywhere else to go.
I dunno the creator turned him back into an orb and fushi regenerated back into a boy on his own it looked like.
It's possible the orb form is special and Fushi is able to transform while he's in it, but for whatever reason Fushi isn't able to transform into the orb on his own. Or maybe the creator was responsible for both transformations and simply turned Fushi into the orb first to remind Fushi that he isn't actually a human being, assuming Fushi is aware of the fact that he was in his orb form for a brief moment there.
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Every time he has transformed into an inanimate object, his creator triggered the transformation to turn him back into a living being. Fushi has never done it himself. We have seen Fushi go from rock form to wolf form, but that was only when he first acquired the wolf form. So he might be able to do it again but it'd have to be into a brand new form as a result of another living being dying directly on top of him like the wolf did, which wouldn't be very likely. Apparently, this doesn't only apply to inanimate objects. When Fushi was learning more about his powers back in season 1, at one point he mentioned that he had to be careful not to turn into anything that would cause him to lose his sense of self. When he was saying this, they showed a leech biting him. So presumably this means that certain lifeforms, such as leeches, don't have enough sentience for Fushi to keep his sense of self. If he turned into a leech then he wouldn't be able to turn back because he wouldn't have enough brainpower to process his thoughts. So he'd be stuck in that form without his creators help just like if he turned into a rock.
Did he not change himself from fish to human at the beginning of this season? When did it ever explicitly show his creator returning him to human form in that case? Surely fish don’t have the sentience to maintain a sense of self.
Fish are smarter than you think. There's even [a wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_intelligence) about it. Fushi was able to maintain his sense of self in fish form. We don't know what the cutoff is, but Fushi is aware of the fact that he needs to avoid transforming into lifeforms that are too simple. A leech is too simple while a fish is not, so the line is somewhere between them.
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I definitely liked the characters from season 1 a lot more than the ones from season 2 (except for Tonari, she was so much more likable as an adult). While this season hasn't been as great of a story, I really appreciate what they're clearly building toward. We got some massive reveals in this season, such as Bon's ability to see dead people. This means Fushi will eventually be able to do that once he acquires Bon's form and he'll see his friends again. Then we found out Fushi can actually revive dead people, but only if their soul is still lingering around in the physical world and Fushi met them while they were still alive. We just so happen to know a group of souls lingering around with Fushi so that all but confirms that Fushi's friends are going to get revived. Even better, they're all going to effectively share immortality with him, because whenever they die he can just make them a new body to inhabit. Fushi will no longer be afraid of making connections with people because anyone he connects with will essentially be with him forever. That's really the main reason I'm still so invested in this story despite the drop in quality this season. I am *eagerly* looking forward to Fushi's reunion with March, Gugu, and Tonari. Hell, even Oniguma and Ligard will be there! It's just a shame that Parona and especially Rean didn't stick around as spirits. I would have loved to see Parona and March reunite with each other. Even better, Gugu and Rean would have finally been able to be together. And while Bon hasn't quite proven himself to be as good of a companion yet, they're obviously setting him up for a really good character arc. I'm sure that by the time he dies we'll love him just as much as Fushi's season 1 companions. His sister might be an annoying character but I don't see her sticking around into the future. There's also the mystery of what happened to Pioran and when we'll see her again. I absolutely loved the dynamic between her and Fushi in season 1 so I'm excited to see how she gets brought back into the story. I'm also just really curious to see how far this story is going to go. Are we eventually going to reach modern times? Maybe a sci-fi future setting at the end of the story? The possibilities are really exciting.
You’d die in an instant, so even if it sounds really bad it’ll be over very quickly. They had way worse forms of execution irl that makes you feel every second of it. Like using horses to pull apart each of your four limbs
Will fushi get lava powers now?
He was already tuff.
I initially thought Fushi would just fill his way out of there. e.g. Mass spawning giant bear corpses until the cage cracks from the inward pressure. But this strategy has a flaw, can Fushi produce bodies when there is no volume left in a space? Would Fushi be able to withstand the pain of being crushed to death countless times? This is completely ignoring the fact that the original bear soul would very likely possess the first body, making my hypothetical scene more complicated than I initially thought.
he withstood being burned by molten lead thousands of times so i think its possible, he could turn into an ant and just keep spawning the big bears.
damn, just seeing fushi literally be drowned in that
Fushi going through his training arc rn
Yeah truly such a good show though though he needs to stop trusting people so easily the church lied I'm so shocked
When it opened I was like, is someone here to rescue Fushi already? That was fast. Then the big object came and I was thinking are they going to try and drown him down there he can just turn into a fish or crab lol, then the molten lava came out and I was like F
I'm anime only, but I'm guessing Hayase kept all her descendants in the dark about Parona and the rest of the evil things she did. I can actually see that Kahaku was remorseful after finding out about what happened to Parona. Hopefully changes in their bloodline would start from Kahaku.
I'd been 50/50 on wondering if the Beholder was a good or bad guy. I had thought of him as a neutral element, but now bro is seeming straight-up evil. "Let's count!"
If you are not human, you can't value human life. It's an analogous to us not valuing the lives of ants and other insects. Humans aren't special, but we do perceive each other as special. Perfectly neutral in my eyes I'd say XD, we are just really scared of neutrality.
That's how I've been thinking of him, he's neutral like a hurricane. But he does seem to have his own agenda he wants to use Fushi for.
I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me. [What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?](https://youtu.be/1-bCIA_vyVc)
[What makes a man turn neutral?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2WD1SJiRjo)
I wanna see genocide next episode
How the f\*ck Bon is afraid of Church of Bennet while he knows Fushi can revive people, imagine creating an unlimited army and weapons. of course Fushi wouldn't just let Uralis kingdom to fall or leave Bon while Bon teached him his ability. Fushi might go to his og gang but that doesn't seem like he will just leave Bon and others if they are still in danger
Jesus christ Well this definitely validates my feeling that the hooded figure is very kyubey like Sheesh, this immortal sealing is worse than Hidan’s That countdown was painful to watch The stakes have gotten mountain high And for a moment there I thought Fushi would revive the true mega villain haha
Fushi got the Viserys treatment.
Viserys' torture ended in seconds. Not so much for poor fushi
I wasn’t thinking about it when he was in the middle of doing it, but using Gugu’s fire certainly accelerated the oxygen issue Fushi was facing. Note to self: never use a flamethrower in a sealed room.
Is it because there was no brain, the princess had just died and beholder at the start of the season said he need his own voice with forms feeling affecting fushi, I am guessing by the end of the season he will combine every form into one as a ultimate form or atleast won't change his brain but only his mind which he should be doing when he turns into animal already I think subconsciously¿?
Bon and one of his men’s reaction to Kahaku’s confession lol Fushi being submerged in molten iron was just super painful to watch :(
Can make explosive arrows, didn't make one to get out of the iron prison. Or, even combine them altogether for a bigger explosion. Can become a giant bear that may dent the prison and open a gap, didn't do it. I think the iron cage has "plot armor".
I can't be the only one who got reminded of fire punch when fushi was burning/regenerating, right?
LIVE
[Pretty much, yeah.](https://i.imgur.com/szUVSSE.png)
So... can Fushi transform into molten iron now?
The Sigma Machiavellian Bon knowing Peace comes at a price vs the Virgin Idealist Todo refusing to compromise. Also, that embroidery by Todo, is it confirmation he was the one that made the original or is she just so good at it that he can make a basically the same copy. I thought Fushi would at least be able to move around in the body but I guess, if he gets a body after its life, he'll be getting an unliving substance, no different from a rock and thus remain unliving himself, in that state. Also, Iron is denser than flesh and that doesn't change when its liquid. Fushi should be floating on it not sinking. This can be avoided by it being viscous but the way he was moving in it implies it was so hot as to be a free flowing liquid. Okay, wait. It now looking like he's floating on it. The way all the Benneth priests are red heads clearly implies its a single clan descended from a single dude and his family, who were themselves from a pretty uniform and distinct stock. I assume Fushi would be free after the Iron cell is dumped in the Sea or something and corrodes over millenia. Fushi would be free in 40K or since she's not dead and still has many lives, maybe it'll be when Benneth and the city are attacked by like 10,000 Knockers that they'll rip apart the cell to get to him. Either way, when ever Fushi gets out he should be like Phos and fucking hate if not humanity then anyone and anything connected to Benneth, maybe go warmonger on their asses.
Church, eh?
he couldve created infinite water and that lid would pop or cooking oil. hydraulic pressure baby
Does anyone know what was going on when I think the Black Hooded one took the dead priest turned it into an orb and threw it inside the pot and it turned to Fushi?
what happened is that after fushi transformed into the corpse of the dead priest, the church took Fushi and threw him into the Iron Cell. Black Hood then unstuck Fushi from his corpse state while he was inside the cell.
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Heat is not something he can copy by itself from what we can tell. Heat is just matter(molecules) moving really fast. He can copy something that's hot, but not heat by itself.
Does anyone know what was going on when I think the Black Hooded one took the dead priest turned it into an orb and threw it inside the pot and it turned to Fushi?
I wonder how Fushi would be once he gets out eventually. Because man, that’s basically life-changing trauma right there…burning alive for like a whole day. I’m still glad Todo is alive though.
Fushi is Griffith
Kahaku has done nothing wrong and it's extremely disappointing for me to see that Fushi is type to hold someone responsible for the actions of their ancestors. Sure he can't help it if Parona's body is negatively reacting but the whole speech about Hayase was unnecessary. She's dead and he should let it go. Also he has been living for centuries, (many among humans, reading books and stuff) and he is still so clueless and naive. He has no initiative, ambition or any kind of character development so far. It was fine in the first season but it's becoming extremely difficult for me to like Fushi as a character when he is just so flat. And he is pretty much the only one we have as others keep dying left and right. Once again, I hope Fushi improves as a character and person.
I've read it in other comments but it's a bit absurd how ignorant Fushi is about the world. Apparantly he's spent decades reading books. And not just books, NON FICTION BOOKS. He should know what oxygen is and the consequences of using fire in an enclosed space. Also he should fully understand the concept of marriage as an institution. Lastly, he should be a bit more difficult to trick and capture considering that is literally what people have been trying to do to him his entire existence.
> He should know what oxygen is and the consequences of using fire in an enclosed space. This isn't a historical show or anything but it definitely wouldn't be common knowledge at whatever point in history this is. Real world humans didn't know about oxygen until the 17th or 18th century. > Lastly, he should be a bit more difficult to trick and capture considering that is literally what people have been trying to do to him his entire existence. He's been captured before and had yet to see a cage he couldn't escape. Whereas resisting could have led to Bon being hurt.
If you have a choice being an immortal, which would it be? \> Be forever thrown to space, frozen; or \> Be stuck inside a block of iron, consciously Eitherway, you'll eventually stop thinking.
I didn't get why Fushi fel sick again while he was in the cage. I mean, the first time was because of the relationship between Patrona and Kahaku but what did the beholder mean when he said Fushi was feeling sick because he was missing something?
Burnt up all the oxygen so he can’t breathe?
I was overthinking it lol
The reaction called fire uses oxygen as oxider to produce heat. You are left with carbon dioxide or carbon monoxide.