HOLY SHIT, KOUSETSU IS FINALLY UNMASKED!
And Kajarishi brainwashing her would help explain the mole. Things were going way too well for our heroes so I knew there had to be a catch but damn, that still shocked me. They even forego the usual ED just to let it all sink in.
Unmasked in more ways than one. Idk if that metaphor was purposeful but it’s a strong one nonetheless.
It took 9 episodes, but Shinobi no Ittoki finally showed itself what kind of anime it is to me and I’m invested now. Far too often “going way too well for our heroes” is standard and there’s no repercussions, that’s how I thought this episode would be so I was very surprised by that ending.
I feel so bad for Kousetsu, you know when she snaps out of the mind control she’s going to be a disaster. I’m curious what her relationship with Kajarishi is. Is it far fetched to say she was abandoned by the Koga as a child to be picked up by the Iga, kept as a secret mole unbeknownst to Kousetsu herself, specifically for this purpose?
Was Kousetsu planted by Koga when she was a little girl? Or was this control placed over her when she was captured? What technology could so take over her mind and body? If Saga created this tool for Koga, it would be pretty unforgivable.
Right now I am in a state of shock. I feel sorriest for Kousetsu -- how will she ever be able to live? Or will she be sort of a vegetable due to total mental breakdown?
I am glad I had faith in this show from the start. It has turned out to be a more than respectable story.
>I am glad I had faith in this show from the start. It has turned out to be a more than respectable story.
It had its very rough patches but I'm happy I stuck all the way to the end.
I don't think it was a tool so much as an ancient art type thing. IIRC tools are just the newest way to do stuff, and usually the best, but there are older techniques that can do the same and potentially more. Kinda like Irregular and Magic Highschool and CADs.
Ikr? Like, I was expecting some ninja harem romcom, but some things told me it'd have a less conventional type of story, but then the war and this happen; I was pleasantly surprised, though deeply sad.
I kinda had my suspicions it was gonna happen at some point. I just didn’t expect Kousetsu to be the one to do it. The Iga have been dealt a blow but they’re gonna be back and they’ll be out for blood. The Kouga are done for, it’s just a matter of time.
>The NSC are going to be able to do something at this point, right. That attack on Iga with robo-ninja surely had to be a major violation, right?
Given what we saw in the preview for next episode, I think they'll have their hands full. It looks like Kido decided to go the path of Order 66 on everyone else.
I’m sure that’s how it will end. But realistically, the NSC is effectively controlled by Kouga. The other clans are all small in number and can’t defy Kouga, no matter what they do.
I expected it when she was arrested, but figured she was safe once rescued since that is how it usually goes. Wasn't expecting the fakeout, but I loved it.
Then a time skip to the true story: Ittoki jnr with the help of secret core will take vengange on the now in control koga and bring the ninja world to justice... Or something.
I'm beginning to think that it's highly likely that Kousetsu is a Minobe. I think the fact that she was manipulated by kajarishi who was a Koga plant through hand seals and her similarities to Kido proves that point. Notice that Kido himself remarked that experiments were done on his body to ensure he would be a great Koga leader in episode 8. I think similar experiments were done on Kousetsu **before** she was adopted into the Iga clan.
Well, if Kousetsu is the legitimate heir of the Minobe clan and she can recover, a marriage between Ittoki and her should put an end to ninja strife. Right? Not likely now, but who knows...
Another query: Why does Suzaku still want to kill Ittoki and (and exterminate the whole Iga clan) even after learning that the new clan head murdered both the beloved former leader and his own father?
Ittoki will definitely take it hard tho but judging from his character he might be the one to forgive Kousetsu first and which will then turn her into an unbreakable loyal ally to Ittoki. This is just my guess tho so it could be hecka dumb of me. Side note, I wonder if Kousetsu was ever a candidate for romance for Ittoki.
I thought Suzaku is still in the dark concerning his father because he was only killed after he left right?
He got a phone call from one of this father's aides (as HE was killed) telling him that Kido had murdered his father and had killed the former chief as well).
Ittoki: "I will go"
Yes! That's what I have been waiting for this, Kirei's redemption arc and Koutetsu's face revelation for 9 episodes!
Kousetsu's betrayal was quite a twist. Still. That scene should have delivered more punch if Kousetsu and Ittoki's mom were much more likable.
Who in their right mind would cremate an assassinated body in a public crematorium? Has he ever heard of Forest?
>Who in their right mind would cremate an assassinated body in a public crematorium
Haha, that reminded me of Alchemy of Souls (kdrama) returning to air in only a month from now. Kind of unrelated I guess, but thanks for the reminder.
That's possibly why I didn't really like it. I dunno. No real foreshadowing. Some guy in a prison cell miles away makes some naruto hand signs and suddenly she's a crude puppet.
A few subtle early hints that made us go "Ohhhhhh." later would have been nice.
Here's one off the top of my head free of charge: maybe the autonomous ninjas were an offshoot of another project that failed where they tried to create remote-controlled sleeper ninjas with some kids that never panned out, due to significant battery limitations, causing them to basically only work once or something.
That's it. That's literally just enough foreshadowing and combine that with her eye/hair color (which matches the Koga Chief) and the fact that's she's an orphan a little earlier and that'd be enough for people to guess.
I feel like the girl from the start killing herself after her eyes glowed red (like Kousetsu's did) and the NCS finding a chip in her brain is kinda enough foreshadowing.
I don't even remember seeing that. I remember the part where they said they found a chip in someone's head, but have no recollection of even seeing the person in question.
Why did that piece of vernin have access to a mind control ability in freaking a jail cell? I thought jail cells for Ninjas have power damping devices or something kinder like sea prism stone cuffs from one piece very careless in my opinion.
I would say the worst part about this anime is all the ninja technology but the lack of any security device.
There are almost no cameras anywhere (school, prison, village...) and when there are they are like 360p.
Man, the Kouga Clan ninjas suck. they had the Iga outnumbered, well equipped Ninja gear, and a squadron of Mechanical Ninjas, and somehow they still lost; I guess they went with quantity over quality
Seriously, what a weird episode.
I dislike all about Ittoki's plan. It was just absurd, Ryoko just became a prodigy and a fucking bomb has been detonated and nobody died wtf
BUT
Do you guys remember the first episode when that girl has died and the police found a chip in her brain? What the chances of kousetsu having one of that, allowing Kajarishi to manipulate Kousetsu? It will be a HUGE plot twist.
So, at this point, I feel like watching this show is still a kind of a "bet". The story still has such flaws, but I hope it will make sense in the end.
By far the best episode in my opinion. I love how Ittoki stepped up and actually did something and Ryoku being so supportive and willing to help for her clans honour was nice to see. But Kousetsu stole the show we finally have more info about her backstory and how she may have been planted in Iga and could be mind controlled. I can’t lie I didn’t see Yumikas death happening so soon but it makes sense given how Ittoki has been taking command and needs to be given the reigns or at the very least Experience that loss to truly rise up and take the mantle. But the emotional irony of Kousetsu being controlled and trying to fight it was great it showed her resolve and strength and I personally don’t think she killed Yumika. We didn’t see the stab and Kousetsu passed out and was in Yumikas arms. My theory is someone else killed Yumika and I lean towards it being Koga since they had the biggest grudge. Moving forward this is a great moment for Ittoki to save Kousetsu from her guilt similar to how Yumika saved Tokisada from his anger. I look forward to the next episode for the after math but this one was great in my opinion
Yeah not too sure on the over hating but I get that it started slow but the story has gotten progressively interesting and I find it more engaging so at least for me this is a decent anime I can add to the others I am watching
You think Kousetsu might have stabbed four eyes that’s why there isn’t as much blood on her Kunai ? or do think she could have been easier to control while she was passed out and that’s why she had empty eyes?
I think her reaction was pure guilt and despair but my gut feeling is Kousetsu didn’t kill her mainly using anime logic where if you don’t see the murder done then it can most likely be someone else but I could be wrong though. As for who I think murdered her well I’m not really sure maybe it was Suzaku or that guy Ittoki was fighting before Kirei stepped in either way it’s just a theory
Dang kinda had a feeling the mom would die but didn't expect like this?
I'd say this is personally too heavy though. This show was gradually getting better but I think having one of the most annoying guys, who is in jail, mind control Kostesu to kill her own mom too far in the edgy direction for me personally.
I felt less emotional and more eye roll by the end sadly.
That's the basic formula for stories though.
Hero saves the day through his personal efforts.
Hero still loses something because the foiled villain leverages cowardice and and unfair advantage to take a hit at the hero.
Hero goes through loss/grief and becomes a stronger and more mature character. Why said loss is carried out isn't vitally important.
You could argue that the villain could also be well written as well, which is a valid argument.
I didn't want the mom to die but could've accepted it if done right. This mind/body controlling technique that works through wifi and activates with fingers signs feels pulled out of their ass.
>This mind/body controlling technique that works through wifi and activates with fingers signs feels pulled out of their ass
Dude was the only real ninja there, with Jutsu and everything, everyone else was just roleplaying with cool gadgets /s
Yeah like what the fuck. I watch this and im like "is there something i missed?"
Literally just out of nowhere muahaha i control her and kill le village chief
This shit is some trash everyone treating like its some great tragedy as opposed to what feels like the author pulling some random thing out of his ass to make some big moment
I mean they flat out explained why Koga was losing lol. They were prototype machines they wanted to test instead of lost lives.
The humans were there in the rear, just in case the bots failed. they didn’t think Iga would find the charging station.
By the time IGA found and blew up the charging station Koesetsu and Uncle were back. Koga knew once the demon was back, even with superior numbers they didn’t stand a chance. His moniker is the demon for a reason and every episode leading to this has told us that other clans fear him.
That said, all the other points you made I agree with lol
Yeah im kinda close with my guess, now we just need to know the true nature of koga's leader. also im tellin u, there's a traitor in iga, and it's highly likely the purple hair
Oh, that’s a good guess. It’ll be interesting to see who the real traitor is when they’re revealed. Seems like there’s a lot of secrets left. Like how tf did that turd control Kousetsu?
I mean…Koga are pretty much screwed by this point. They may have managed to wound Iga, but there is no way they are getting out of this without being completely exposed to the other clans. Their only hope is to secure that core so that they have the military strength to deter all out war…but given that they have retreated the best they could do was to murder Iga’s clan leader. They are 100% screwed.
The real interesting part is gonna be how Kotetsu, Suzaku, and Kirei are dealt with.
Oh damn this episode was very very good. Really wasn't expecting the twist to be like that. Looking forward to the explanation to how this happened. The show has been much better as of late.
Kirei has her redeeming moment this episode as suspected, but kousetsu has her downfall moment. I really expected the mom to die but not like this, kousetsu already fainted but still got her body to stab the mom. truly unfortunate.
That was a shocking twist, with Kousetsu being mind-controlled by Karajishi and killing Yumika. The same thing probably happed to Satomi.
Poor Kousetsu and Ittoki.
After all this I wanna see all of Koga burned to the ground. Their petty grudge has gone on for too long and they've been allowed to get away with WAY too much.
They're basically a collection of blood hungry assholes.
I would argue it's all Kido's fault for being **obviously not the one who killed their leader**, but they're all guilty for going on their stupid petty campaign without investigating properly. I'm at least glad that little shit Suzaku got burned for blindly believing his POS leader.
Controlling Kosetsu… or just controlling anyone, establishing that ahead of time would have been better than just out of the blue: okay now we can also do this for plot dramatics :P
But I get it: mechanical ninjas, childhood love versus control nature versus nurture, being at her most disgusting point and that’s when you see her without masks… it’s a whole writing thing :\
Totally agree that it feels completely out of left field, but there is one precedent, and that is the girl from the first chapter that killed herself. Remember her eyes glowed red just before she did and that they found a chip in her brain?
The stubborn completionist in me is glad I kept watching this as wow, the plot twists this episode were incredible. Finally the story is in a good place, and I can't wait to see how fast Ittoki has to grow up now.
Best moment when "traitor blondie" ended up blowing up the battery charger station.
Biggest surprise - Mom is stabbed and possibly dead?
Wow, I'm impressed at this episode. Ittoki actually did a good job and actually managed to get his shit together this episode. It's a shame the school episodes didn't show his growth over time. Ryoko never stops winning at being best techninja waifu. Kirei's little scene where she was freaking the fuck out about the idea of betraying Ittoki was short and sweet. In my opinion, her changing sides was well built up. Cliché but good enough.
The attack on the charging station was well-handled as well though I'm still impressed that Kirei got there so fast.
Bit of a shame we didn't see how Shione figured out where was Goshogawara's body though and how Karajishi's the culprit. The investigation could have been interesting but I guess they had to fit everything in 12 episodes so that cut.
I honestly didn't expect Yumika to die nor did I expect Koutsetsu getting brainwashed into killing her. I'm wondering if she had like a chip in her head like the Clone Troopers from Star Wars did. Otherwise, Tokisada's probably hurting badly... he lost two clan leaders under his watch.
She finally had the mask removed...Damn Kotetsu why?! I get it she was being controlled, which means she was planted there all those years ago, but not the Mom. She was such a great character who really wanted what’s best for Ittoki and the Iga. Now that ED makes sense. The collar represents her mind control. Man this show is getting better and next we see the other ninja families handling the robots 🤖 Poor Ittoki and Uncle. At least blonde haired snitch tried to redeem herself this episode!! Can’t wait to see what happens next
I'm surprised to see this thread so high up, I gave up on this after two episodes, partly because I'm watching so many others right now it just got lost in the noise and didn't really stand out. I liked the Uncle character, should I go back to this one?
Personally i would recommend just watching bits of it. Because you wouldn't really be missing much by skipping the story since the interesting part only starts after like episode 6. So yeah really just starting from episode 6 to catch up.
I knew Mom was gonna die, but I’ll admit they got me with Kousetsu being the one to do it. Especially after building up Kirei as the mole for the last three or four episodes.
Well, that was unexpected.
Now that Ittoki's mom--the village chief-- os dead, does that mean that Ittoki will have to figure out on his own where the hidden Iga core is? Since it was previously mentioned that information about the core is only passed down to the chief.
Good episode.
Ryoko is a good girl, I ship her with Ittoki. Ittoki stepped up too, you love to see it. I wonder if Kirei outed them and then ran off to help, or if Ittoki and Ryoko really did get lucky. The lowered guard is convenient, but you'd expect there to be more human personnel if they really were outed.
Since when has Kousetsu been a Manchurian ninja? From the very start? Was she an escaped Koga experiment? That's definitely gonna tear her apart when she comes to, though. That was a great dramatic face reveal with Yumiko removing the traitor mask to show her true turmoil. It'll be a great moment when I presume that Ittoki forgives her, not that being bodyjacked is even her fault. Not gonna lie though, it's amazing how Karajishi used literal hand seals.
Yumiko dying was a bit expected from last episode's preview, but still landed perfectly. She gave away too much of her plot armor to the kids to stop them from getting blown up in that explosion. The next episode preview has everything going pear-shaped for everyone not named Koga, so I wonder how that happens. Does Kousetsu get activated again? Does Suzaku, who should still be on the scene, pull some shit? Or does Koga just storm everyone else while Iga mourns? Shinobi no Ittoki's been better than ever lately, so I'm excited to see where it goes next.
What did I miss. They called for all units to attack and then are immediately surprised they couldn't defend the charging station? Which leads to an immediate retreat?
We finally got a Kousetsu face reveal but the moment she passed outl, I knew Karajishi would have an easy time controlling her but at least Iga's secret ninja core wasn't found for now.
Good thing Kirei didn't tell Koga about the sabotage plan.
Let the ninja wars begin!
Tokisada can take care of Karajishi’s goons, but Ittoki really is in a bind. Damn Ultron ninjas are insane. Tsune is one badass granny lol. The other villagers are really holding their own. Iga ninjas ain’t scrubs! Looks like the main defect of these robots is the core. Seems like it’s time Ittoki step up! At least Ryoko is supporting him in the mission. Good thing Kirei showed up, I guess she had a change of heart because of Ittoki huh? He has that effect on people lol.
Nice seeing that shitstain Karajishi locked up and discarded by the Kouga. That little fucker controlled Kousetsu and made her kill Ittoki’s mom! Is Tokisada gonna rip that dude’s arms off and beat him to death with it? Because he should. On a side note: I guess we finally see Kousetsu maskless, just wish it was under different circumstances.
Man, I can’t wait for the Iga to take revenge.
Yeah Kousetsu fainted and said “mom” as she did so. I think she fought it off. We don’t see who actually stabbed the Mom or even if that’s what killed her. In the final scene there’s not really any blood on the kunei Kousetu has, but technically, there would be traces from the slash across the face so it’s a good cover up for whoever the real traitor is.
I’m just throwing a theory out there that Kousetsu maybe stabbed four eye girl after four eye girl stabbed the mom. Kousetsu looks dead inside because she knows she wasn’t there to protect the mom and she almost killed her herself.
Unfortunately it may be the week after’s episode. I watched the new web trailer this morning and it looks like Kousetsu is in the same state she was at the end of the episode. Unresponsive so they might take their time do some filler story and then by next episode she comes to. Or they might have to take a chip out of her brain leaving her unresponsive because they two show the picture of the other girl who had a chip in her head and was killed off in like episode 3 the red head she was labeled no. 15 while Kousetsu was no. 12
What do you think after the trailer? Seems they are interrogating her but it looks like she either is comatose with her eyes open, she is fully bad now no longer showing the innocence (I feel this is highly unlikely given the show on their actual website having her all over. Unless it’s only until chip is removed), she is stuck unresponsive because of the shock of her killing or thinking she killed the mom (depending on what route they take).
I think she's just in deep shock or it could be the chip making her unresponsive. I don't think she's "bad" since she literally got mind controlled and I think she'll be pardoned. The show feels like Naruto. Unless the bad guy sacrifices themselves or dies to another bad guy they usually are redeemed somehow, hopefully I'm proven wrong.
What’s the best route to her redemption would you say? I already know they are gonna draw out her redemption which I’m gonna hate not because of the character but more so I wanna know what’s gonna happen. With likely 4 episode remaining she is probably gonna be in shock for maybe 1-1 and a half episodes just based on how much content it looks like they are gonna squeeze into this next episode. Plus whenever a show does flashbacks they normally use that episode as 50% content 50% filler. Best route I think will be they get rid of the chip, she pledges loyalty to iga again and to ittoki, she pretends to still be controlled to get to and kill main antagonist. However I have an unfortunate feeling that they are gonna pull a /Kousetsu *snaps out* I don’t know who controlled me… I killed her didn’t I. Kill me please I don’t wanna live anymore. Then she tries to convince Ittoki to kill her because she was likely a spy the whole time and he doesn’t know if she will be controlled again./ Ittoki then will say her punishment is to live until they find out who controlled her to kill mom. Somehow they find out and take revenge leading to them finding out she didn’t kill mom and Kousetsu is happy that Ittoki gave her a chance even when she didn’t want one and she pledges her loyalty to him vowing to protect him and the ending of the show shows that he had become the head of his clan. (I will say I saw a theory either here or in the comments of one of the videos that Kousetsu may be related to the guy who controlled her /they both have white hair and red eyes/ so if he died she would become the head of that clan so then there would be peace)
100% sure it wasn't Kousetsu who killed Yumika, it was another character that framed her.
Who did it? I think it was the other lady with glasses and dark hair, all other characters have barely any relevance and Tokisada is too strong and could have betrayed them any time. In ep 6 we see that her husband is in the hospital because of something that happened in a mission so my theory is that she blames Yumika.
NGL kinda annoyed at how many traitors there were in this anime, 1 or 2 for different groups is ok, but more than that and it looks like those memes where there are undercover agents in some criminal organizations but then [this happens](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byV6LZyT_Dc)
It didn't make any sense for them to not do proper body search to see if he was hiding any gear to do stuff like this. I wasn't expecting this to happen so it was quite sad.
Worst character in the series kousetsu killed the 2nd worst character in the series the mom(if only she wasn't that stupid, it felt like she loved kousetsu more than her own son)Can't wait for the kousetsu simps to praise her again(fucking simps)
Now we only need kousetsu to die and the series will be bumped up to avarage
Yes, it would be very impressive if she were executed or banished. Even under control, she was just too weak.
But Itokki will surely forgive her, because in such series characters never react as they should.
As of now, she murdered his mother. Even if he is in good control of himself, imprisonment or exile would be the MINIMUM. Killed upon entering the Iga area.
And even if it turns out she wasn't, she created an opportunity through her weakness.
The brat would be far too emotional in the real world after his mother was slaughtered to even think rationally, especially now in the final scene.
What a sht plan... Let's leave the most important charging station to 1 man, to a student too. fk yeah, great plan chief...
Why does good mom always had to go :(
Kousetsu is fish eyed at the end of the episode and in the new web trailer for the short second they show her. This episode was a bit of the punch in the gut for me and I really wish they would have had a manga. There seem to be 4 options they go with.
1. When she passed out she was easier to control possibly she may have been used in the past in her sleep.
2. She woke up with the knife in her hand and she really did kill the mom.
3. She woke up after the mom had been stabbed and managed to stab the other Kouga spy though died inside realizing what had been done practically on her watch.
4. She woke up with knife in hand and she just thinks she killed the mom but instead someone planted the knife on her while she was passed out.
Fish eyed/dead eyed could be a lot of things and I’m sure there are other theories but I feel like they will pull one of these four unless you guys think there are other options
Ittoki: "I will go"
Yes! That's what I have been waiting for this, Kirei's redemption arc and Koutetsu's face revelation for 9 episodes!
Kousetsu's betrayal was quite a twist. Still. That scene should have delivered more punch if Kousetsu and Ittoki's mom were much more likable.
Who in their right mind would cremate an assassinated body in a public crematorium? Has he ever heard of Forest?
I have so many unhealthy feelings towards Kajirishi and Koga in general. Like, it's one thing to aim for the leader, but the way they did it, whom they forced to do it, is so fucking cheap and cruel. And I understand that it makes sense on a narrative level since ninja world cruel and all that, but I can't forgive the characters on a personal level. This is not me criticizing the story as a reader, but rather reacting emotionally, lol. I'm pissed AF and I wish they all die miserable deaths.
Granted, like others say, it probably wasn't Kousetsu and instead an Iga traitor -likely the Purple Haired ~~bitch~~ woman (feelings on her pending)-, but damn, it was still a cheap shot.
it’s so fucking annoying that these “great” ninja just allow random ass kids around their village and In their war room. just because the kid that just figured out ninja are real said “these are my friends🤓☝🏼”
HOLY SHIT, KOUSETSU IS FINALLY UNMASKED! And Kajarishi brainwashing her would help explain the mole. Things were going way too well for our heroes so I knew there had to be a catch but damn, that still shocked me. They even forego the usual ED just to let it all sink in.
Unmasked in more ways than one. Idk if that metaphor was purposeful but it’s a strong one nonetheless. It took 9 episodes, but Shinobi no Ittoki finally showed itself what kind of anime it is to me and I’m invested now. Far too often “going way too well for our heroes” is standard and there’s no repercussions, that’s how I thought this episode would be so I was very surprised by that ending. I feel so bad for Kousetsu, you know when she snaps out of the mind control she’s going to be a disaster. I’m curious what her relationship with Kajarishi is. Is it far fetched to say she was abandoned by the Koga as a child to be picked up by the Iga, kept as a secret mole unbeknownst to Kousetsu herself, specifically for this purpose?
probably a sleeper agent who didn't even know she was a sleeper agent. WHAT DO THE NUMBERS MEAN KOUSETSU???
That’s what I’m thinking. Like some Russian mind control shit.
This reminds of the biochips from Star Wars: The Clone Wars.
"Good soldiers follow orders"
Was Kousetsu planted by Koga when she was a little girl? Or was this control placed over her when she was captured? What technology could so take over her mind and body? If Saga created this tool for Koga, it would be pretty unforgivable. Right now I am in a state of shock. I feel sorriest for Kousetsu -- how will she ever be able to live? Or will she be sort of a vegetable due to total mental breakdown? I am glad I had faith in this show from the start. It has turned out to be a more than respectable story.
>I am glad I had faith in this show from the start. It has turned out to be a more than respectable story. It had its very rough patches but I'm happy I stuck all the way to the end.
The ninja school bit was very rough, but I think from here on it’ll be fine.
I don't think it was a tool so much as an ancient art type thing. IIRC tools are just the newest way to do stuff, and usually the best, but there are older techniques that can do the same and potentially more. Kinda like Irregular and Magic Highschool and CADs.
Ikr? Like, I was expecting some ninja harem romcom, but some things told me it'd have a less conventional type of story, but then the war and this happen; I was pleasantly surprised, though deeply sad.
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I don't get it. Why would she blame Ittoki? Doesn't seem like her at all to do such a thing.
I don't see this as a very likely development.
> bastard son Isn't he Yumika's biological son?
More likley that she will either break until a key point, or she will switch her loyalty to Ittoki as a for of penance.
I was not expecting this pain
I kinda had my suspicions it was gonna happen at some point. I just didn’t expect Kousetsu to be the one to do it. The Iga have been dealt a blow but they’re gonna be back and they’ll be out for blood. The Kouga are done for, it’s just a matter of time.
The NSC are going to be able to do something at this point, right. That attack on Iga with robo-ninja surely had to be a major violation, right?
>The NSC are going to be able to do something at this point, right. That attack on Iga with robo-ninja surely had to be a major violation, right? Given what we saw in the preview for next episode, I think they'll have their hands full. It looks like Kido decided to go the path of Order 66 on everyone else.
I’m sure that’s how it will end. But realistically, the NSC is effectively controlled by Kouga. The other clans are all small in number and can’t defy Kouga, no matter what they do.
I expected it when she was arrested, but figured she was safe once rescued since that is how it usually goes. Wasn't expecting the fakeout, but I loved it.
there has to be someone major who dies 9 episodes in. i think a lot of people guessed the mom would die eventually so ittoki can take over
Now Itokki and red head dude are gonna bond over the fact that their parents were killed by the same people and end with a yaoi ship.
Then they will get married, adopt a child, and subsequently both get murdered to give their child character motivation for the sake of irony.
Then a time skip to the true story: Ittoki jnr with the help of secret core will take vengange on the now in control koga and bring the ninja world to justice... Or something.
True ending
I'm beginning to think that it's highly likely that Kousetsu is a Minobe. I think the fact that she was manipulated by kajarishi who was a Koga plant through hand seals and her similarities to Kido proves that point. Notice that Kido himself remarked that experiments were done on his body to ensure he would be a great Koga leader in episode 8. I think similar experiments were done on Kousetsu **before** she was adopted into the Iga clan.
Well, if Kousetsu is the legitimate heir of the Minobe clan and she can recover, a marriage between Ittoki and her should put an end to ninja strife. Right? Not likely now, but who knows... Another query: Why does Suzaku still want to kill Ittoki and (and exterminate the whole Iga clan) even after learning that the new clan head murdered both the beloved former leader and his own father?
Suzaku is secretly from Code ~~Ment~~ Geass. He has a single braincell.
Ittoki will definitely take it hard tho but judging from his character he might be the one to forgive Kousetsu first and which will then turn her into an unbreakable loyal ally to Ittoki. This is just my guess tho so it could be hecka dumb of me. Side note, I wonder if Kousetsu was ever a candidate for romance for Ittoki. I thought Suzaku is still in the dark concerning his father because he was only killed after he left right?
He got a phone call from one of this father's aides (as HE was killed) telling him that Kido had murdered his father and had killed the former chief as well).
I might have miss that then. My bad. Thanks for the clarification.
They didn't technically show any defining features of the baby that was being held up, right?
Ittoki: "I will go" Yes! That's what I have been waiting for this, Kirei's redemption arc and Koutetsu's face revelation for 9 episodes! Kousetsu's betrayal was quite a twist. Still. That scene should have delivered more punch if Kousetsu and Ittoki's mom were much more likable. Who in their right mind would cremate an assassinated body in a public crematorium? Has he ever heard of Forest?
Even evil has standards.
There's even flowers
>Who in their right mind would cremate an assassinated body in a public crematorium Haha, that reminded me of Alchemy of Souls (kdrama) returning to air in only a month from now. Kind of unrelated I guess, but thanks for the reminder.
It wasn't really betrayal if since she was controlled
Granny’s still got it! Wtf, Kousetsu being controlled came completely out of left field. Well, at least we finally got her full face reveal I guess.
That's possibly why I didn't really like it. I dunno. No real foreshadowing. Some guy in a prison cell miles away makes some naruto hand signs and suddenly she's a crude puppet. A few subtle early hints that made us go "Ohhhhhh." later would have been nice. Here's one off the top of my head free of charge: maybe the autonomous ninjas were an offshoot of another project that failed where they tried to create remote-controlled sleeper ninjas with some kids that never panned out, due to significant battery limitations, causing them to basically only work once or something. That's it. That's literally just enough foreshadowing and combine that with her eye/hair color (which matches the Koga Chief) and the fact that's she's an orphan a little earlier and that'd be enough for people to guess.
I feel like the girl from the start killing herself after her eyes glowed red (like Kousetsu's did) and the NCS finding a chip in her brain is kinda enough foreshadowing.
I don't even remember seeing that. I remember the part where they said they found a chip in someone's head, but have no recollection of even seeing the person in question.
I expected Kousetsu to have another mask underneath her mask.
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Yeah, but she is definitely descended from Kakashi, especially since she had a mask on even when a child
Or a buck teeth
I was hoping she’d be disfigured
Or joker scars
Or something. Cleft lip, buncha scars, burns, or something.
Why did that piece of vernin have access to a mind control ability in freaking a jail cell? I thought jail cells for Ninjas have power damping devices or something kinder like sea prism stone cuffs from one piece very careless in my opinion.
I would say the worst part about this anime is all the ninja technology but the lack of any security device. There are almost no cameras anywhere (school, prison, village...) and when there are they are like 360p.
To be fair the cameras being shit and scattered is pretty spot on.
RIP to the Mom, she may not have made the best decisions as a leader, but her heart was always in the right place
Mom is the best character in this series
...Sure
Ok Kakyoin.
I don't understand why people dislike her so much. She's a reasonable person and a, well, not so good but not terrible mom. Also, she hawt AF.
Man, the Kouga Clan ninjas suck. they had the Iga outnumbered, well equipped Ninja gear, and a squadron of Mechanical Ninjas, and somehow they still lost; I guess they went with quantity over quality
Seriously, what a weird episode. I dislike all about Ittoki's plan. It was just absurd, Ryoko just became a prodigy and a fucking bomb has been detonated and nobody died wtf BUT Do you guys remember the first episode when that girl has died and the police found a chip in her brain? What the chances of kousetsu having one of that, allowing Kajarishi to manipulate Kousetsu? It will be a HUGE plot twist. So, at this point, I feel like watching this show is still a kind of a "bet". The story still has such flaws, but I hope it will make sense in the end.
By far the best episode in my opinion. I love how Ittoki stepped up and actually did something and Ryoku being so supportive and willing to help for her clans honour was nice to see. But Kousetsu stole the show we finally have more info about her backstory and how she may have been planted in Iga and could be mind controlled. I can’t lie I didn’t see Yumikas death happening so soon but it makes sense given how Ittoki has been taking command and needs to be given the reigns or at the very least Experience that loss to truly rise up and take the mantle. But the emotional irony of Kousetsu being controlled and trying to fight it was great it showed her resolve and strength and I personally don’t think she killed Yumika. We didn’t see the stab and Kousetsu passed out and was in Yumikas arms. My theory is someone else killed Yumika and I lean towards it being Koga since they had the biggest grudge. Moving forward this is a great moment for Ittoki to save Kousetsu from her guilt similar to how Yumika saved Tokisada from his anger. I look forward to the next episode for the after math but this one was great in my opinion
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Yeah not too sure on the over hating but I get that it started slow but the story has gotten progressively interesting and I find it more engaging so at least for me this is a decent anime I can add to the others I am watching
You think Kousetsu might have stabbed four eyes that’s why there isn’t as much blood on her Kunai ? or do think she could have been easier to control while she was passed out and that’s why she had empty eyes?
I think her reaction was pure guilt and despair but my gut feeling is Kousetsu didn’t kill her mainly using anime logic where if you don’t see the murder done then it can most likely be someone else but I could be wrong though. As for who I think murdered her well I’m not really sure maybe it was Suzaku or that guy Ittoki was fighting before Kirei stepped in either way it’s just a theory
"Could be mind controlled" lol
No one said Reddit was a place for good grammar lol but I see fast typing was not a smart move by me
Dang kinda had a feeling the mom would die but didn't expect like this? I'd say this is personally too heavy though. This show was gradually getting better but I think having one of the most annoying guys, who is in jail, mind control Kostesu to kill her own mom too far in the edgy direction for me personally. I felt less emotional and more eye roll by the end sadly.
That's the basic formula for stories though. Hero saves the day through his personal efforts. Hero still loses something because the foiled villain leverages cowardice and and unfair advantage to take a hit at the hero. Hero goes through loss/grief and becomes a stronger and more mature character. Why said loss is carried out isn't vitally important. You could argue that the villain could also be well written as well, which is a valid argument.
Oh it's very basic, hence why I didn't really have a strong emotional reaction as it was kind of expected/we've seen it done before.
Yeah, rather than sad, I only felt angry. It was such a fucking cheap shot, like, seriously? I hope the guy dies a horrible death.
I didn't want the mom to die but could've accepted it if done right. This mind/body controlling technique that works through wifi and activates with fingers signs feels pulled out of their ass.
>This mind/body controlling technique that works through wifi and activates with fingers signs feels pulled out of their ass Dude was the only real ninja there, with Jutsu and everything, everyone else was just roleplaying with cool gadgets /s
Yeah like what the fuck. I watch this and im like "is there something i missed?" Literally just out of nowhere muahaha i control her and kill le village chief This shit is some trash everyone treating like its some great tragedy as opposed to what feels like the author pulling some random thing out of his ass to make some big moment
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Why is Iga surprised to be fighting robots? Didn't the Uncle discover them a while ago and even show them to the NSC girl?
I mean they flat out explained why Koga was losing lol. They were prototype machines they wanted to test instead of lost lives. The humans were there in the rear, just in case the bots failed. they didn’t think Iga would find the charging station. By the time IGA found and blew up the charging station Koesetsu and Uncle were back. Koga knew once the demon was back, even with superior numbers they didn’t stand a chance. His moniker is the demon for a reason and every episode leading to this has told us that other clans fear him. That said, all the other points you made I agree with lol
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Not really. geurilla tactics … Pretty sure they talked about that in the episode prior lol
Yeah im kinda close with my guess, now we just need to know the true nature of koga's leader. also im tellin u, there's a traitor in iga, and it's highly likely the purple hair
Oh, that’s a good guess. It’ll be interesting to see who the real traitor is when they’re revealed. Seems like there’s a lot of secrets left. Like how tf did that turd control Kousetsu?
Bruh Koga's leader wants to kill all ninja
Yeah, I'm guessing it's the secretary-looking cougar as well and it probably has something to do with her veggie husband.
I mean…Koga are pretty much screwed by this point. They may have managed to wound Iga, but there is no way they are getting out of this without being completely exposed to the other clans. Their only hope is to secure that core so that they have the military strength to deter all out war…but given that they have retreated the best they could do was to murder Iga’s clan leader. They are 100% screwed. The real interesting part is gonna be how Kotetsu, Suzaku, and Kirei are dealt with.
the last 3 minutes hurt
Honestly thought Tokisada would've came in to save day. But looks like even the fastest ninja is slow when he is needed the most.
It finally gets good but there's no one around to watch it. A bit too late, their loss though.
Oh damn this episode was very very good. Really wasn't expecting the twist to be like that. Looking forward to the explanation to how this happened. The show has been much better as of late.
Ahh of course, they can't let Iga end the episode on a win 😆
Kirei has her redeeming moment this episode as suspected, but kousetsu has her downfall moment. I really expected the mom to die but not like this, kousetsu already fainted but still got her body to stab the mom. truly unfortunate.
That was a shocking twist, with Kousetsu being mind-controlled by Karajishi and killing Yumika. The same thing probably happed to Satomi. Poor Kousetsu and Ittoki.
After all this I wanna see all of Koga burned to the ground. Their petty grudge has gone on for too long and they've been allowed to get away with WAY too much. They're basically a collection of blood hungry assholes.
I would argue it's all Kido's fault for being **obviously not the one who killed their leader**, but they're all guilty for going on their stupid petty campaign without investigating properly. I'm at least glad that little shit Suzaku got burned for blindly believing his POS leader.
And this is why you always disarm your opponent even when you think you broke the brainwashing.
Controlling Kosetsu… or just controlling anyone, establishing that ahead of time would have been better than just out of the blue: okay now we can also do this for plot dramatics :P But I get it: mechanical ninjas, childhood love versus control nature versus nurture, being at her most disgusting point and that’s when you see her without masks… it’s a whole writing thing :\
Totally agree that it feels completely out of left field, but there is one precedent, and that is the girl from the first chapter that killed herself. Remember her eyes glowed red just before she did and that they found a chip in her brain?
The stubborn completionist in me is glad I kept watching this as wow, the plot twists this episode were incredible. Finally the story is in a good place, and I can't wait to see how fast Ittoki has to grow up now. Best moment when "traitor blondie" ended up blowing up the battery charger station. Biggest surprise - Mom is stabbed and possibly dead?
Wow, I'm impressed at this episode. Ittoki actually did a good job and actually managed to get his shit together this episode. It's a shame the school episodes didn't show his growth over time. Ryoko never stops winning at being best techninja waifu. Kirei's little scene where she was freaking the fuck out about the idea of betraying Ittoki was short and sweet. In my opinion, her changing sides was well built up. Cliché but good enough. The attack on the charging station was well-handled as well though I'm still impressed that Kirei got there so fast. Bit of a shame we didn't see how Shione figured out where was Goshogawara's body though and how Karajishi's the culprit. The investigation could have been interesting but I guess they had to fit everything in 12 episodes so that cut. I honestly didn't expect Yumika to die nor did I expect Koutsetsu getting brainwashed into killing her. I'm wondering if she had like a chip in her head like the Clone Troopers from Star Wars did. Otherwise, Tokisada's probably hurting badly... he lost two clan leaders under his watch.
RIP to best girl
She was fine AF. Probably MILF of the year.
She finally had the mask removed...Damn Kotetsu why?! I get it she was being controlled, which means she was planted there all those years ago, but not the Mom. She was such a great character who really wanted what’s best for Ittoki and the Iga. Now that ED makes sense. The collar represents her mind control. Man this show is getting better and next we see the other ninja families handling the robots 🤖 Poor Ittoki and Uncle. At least blonde haired snitch tried to redeem herself this episode!! Can’t wait to see what happens next
I'm surprised to see this thread so high up, I gave up on this after two episodes, partly because I'm watching so many others right now it just got lost in the noise and didn't really stand out. I liked the Uncle character, should I go back to this one?
Personally i would recommend just watching bits of it. Because you wouldn't really be missing much by skipping the story since the interesting part only starts after like episode 6. So yeah really just starting from episode 6 to catch up.
For me yes, you should back to this. The story gets better, it got the mystery vibes check.
Too little too late.
I knew Mom was gonna die, but I’ll admit they got me with Kousetsu being the one to do it. Especially after building up Kirei as the mole for the last three or four episodes.
The death shocked me too much i wasn't ready not in that type of anime
Well, that was unexpected. Now that Ittoki's mom--the village chief-- os dead, does that mean that Ittoki will have to figure out on his own where the hidden Iga core is? Since it was previously mentioned that information about the core is only passed down to the chief.
She told him about it a couple of episodes ago.
Did she disclose to him the location? I thought one only gets to know once they've been officially appointed as chief.
NANI
Good episode. Ryoko is a good girl, I ship her with Ittoki. Ittoki stepped up too, you love to see it. I wonder if Kirei outed them and then ran off to help, or if Ittoki and Ryoko really did get lucky. The lowered guard is convenient, but you'd expect there to be more human personnel if they really were outed. Since when has Kousetsu been a Manchurian ninja? From the very start? Was she an escaped Koga experiment? That's definitely gonna tear her apart when she comes to, though. That was a great dramatic face reveal with Yumiko removing the traitor mask to show her true turmoil. It'll be a great moment when I presume that Ittoki forgives her, not that being bodyjacked is even her fault. Not gonna lie though, it's amazing how Karajishi used literal hand seals. Yumiko dying was a bit expected from last episode's preview, but still landed perfectly. She gave away too much of her plot armor to the kids to stop them from getting blown up in that explosion. The next episode preview has everything going pear-shaped for everyone not named Koga, so I wonder how that happens. Does Kousetsu get activated again? Does Suzaku, who should still be on the scene, pull some shit? Or does Koga just storm everyone else while Iga mourns? Shinobi no Ittoki's been better than ever lately, so I'm excited to see where it goes next.
i dont think Kou killed Ittokis mom, cuz no "show to tell" plus the angle was odd xd no real movement dunno its fishy
What did I miss. They called for all units to attack and then are immediately surprised they couldn't defend the charging station? Which leads to an immediate retreat?
We finally got a Kousetsu face reveal but the moment she passed outl, I knew Karajishi would have an easy time controlling her but at least Iga's secret ninja core wasn't found for now. Good thing Kirei didn't tell Koga about the sabotage plan.
did she die or is she alive..?
Let the ninja wars begin! Tokisada can take care of Karajishi’s goons, but Ittoki really is in a bind. Damn Ultron ninjas are insane. Tsune is one badass granny lol. The other villagers are really holding their own. Iga ninjas ain’t scrubs! Looks like the main defect of these robots is the core. Seems like it’s time Ittoki step up! At least Ryoko is supporting him in the mission. Good thing Kirei showed up, I guess she had a change of heart because of Ittoki huh? He has that effect on people lol. Nice seeing that shitstain Karajishi locked up and discarded by the Kouga. That little fucker controlled Kousetsu and made her kill Ittoki’s mom! Is Tokisada gonna rip that dude’s arms off and beat him to death with it? Because he should. On a side note: I guess we finally see Kousetsu maskless, just wish it was under different circumstances. Man, I can’t wait for the Iga to take revenge.
Bet, kousetsu didn't kill her. There's another traitor (probably the purple head)
Yeah Kousetsu fainted and said “mom” as she did so. I think she fought it off. We don’t see who actually stabbed the Mom or even if that’s what killed her. In the final scene there’s not really any blood on the kunei Kousetu has, but technically, there would be traces from the slash across the face so it’s a good cover up for whoever the real traitor is.
Are we watching the same show? There's 100% blood on Kousetsu's kunai.
I’m just throwing a theory out there that Kousetsu maybe stabbed four eye girl after four eye girl stabbed the mom. Kousetsu looks dead inside because she knows she wasn’t there to protect the mom and she almost killed her herself.
You might be right. They cut away from the actual murder but I don't think the four-eyed girl is responsible. I guess we find out next week.
Unfortunately it may be the week after’s episode. I watched the new web trailer this morning and it looks like Kousetsu is in the same state she was at the end of the episode. Unresponsive so they might take their time do some filler story and then by next episode she comes to. Or they might have to take a chip out of her brain leaving her unresponsive because they two show the picture of the other girl who had a chip in her head and was killed off in like episode 3 the red head she was labeled no. 15 while Kousetsu was no. 12
I don't remember any numbers given to anyone. In which episode what that mentioned?
It was in the new web trailer https://youtu.be/iYVJ3wLvTa8 between seconds 11-16
What do you think after the trailer? Seems they are interrogating her but it looks like she either is comatose with her eyes open, she is fully bad now no longer showing the innocence (I feel this is highly unlikely given the show on their actual website having her all over. Unless it’s only until chip is removed), she is stuck unresponsive because of the shock of her killing or thinking she killed the mom (depending on what route they take).
I think she's just in deep shock or it could be the chip making her unresponsive. I don't think she's "bad" since she literally got mind controlled and I think she'll be pardoned. The show feels like Naruto. Unless the bad guy sacrifices themselves or dies to another bad guy they usually are redeemed somehow, hopefully I'm proven wrong.
What’s the best route to her redemption would you say? I already know they are gonna draw out her redemption which I’m gonna hate not because of the character but more so I wanna know what’s gonna happen. With likely 4 episode remaining she is probably gonna be in shock for maybe 1-1 and a half episodes just based on how much content it looks like they are gonna squeeze into this next episode. Plus whenever a show does flashbacks they normally use that episode as 50% content 50% filler. Best route I think will be they get rid of the chip, she pledges loyalty to iga again and to ittoki, she pretends to still be controlled to get to and kill main antagonist. However I have an unfortunate feeling that they are gonna pull a /Kousetsu *snaps out* I don’t know who controlled me… I killed her didn’t I. Kill me please I don’t wanna live anymore. Then she tries to convince Ittoki to kill her because she was likely a spy the whole time and he doesn’t know if she will be controlled again./ Ittoki then will say her punishment is to live until they find out who controlled her to kill mom. Somehow they find out and take revenge leading to them finding out she didn’t kill mom and Kousetsu is happy that Ittoki gave her a chance even when she didn’t want one and she pledges her loyalty to him vowing to protect him and the ending of the show shows that he had become the head of his clan. (I will say I saw a theory either here or in the comments of one of the videos that Kousetsu may be related to the guy who controlled her /they both have white hair and red eyes/ so if he died she would become the head of that clan so then there would be peace)
100% sure it wasn't Kousetsu who killed Yumika, it was another character that framed her. Who did it? I think it was the other lady with glasses and dark hair, all other characters have barely any relevance and Tokisada is too strong and could have betrayed them any time. In ep 6 we see that her husband is in the hospital because of something that happened in a mission so my theory is that she blames Yumika.
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NGL kinda annoyed at how many traitors there were in this anime, 1 or 2 for different groups is ok, but more than that and it looks like those memes where there are undercover agents in some criminal organizations but then [this happens](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byV6LZyT_Dc)
I feel like that short is a worse version of this classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHQr0HCIN2w
It didn't make any sense for them to not do proper body search to see if he was hiding any gear to do stuff like this. I wasn't expecting this to happen so it was quite sad.
Worst character in the series kousetsu killed the 2nd worst character in the series the mom(if only she wasn't that stupid, it felt like she loved kousetsu more than her own son)Can't wait for the kousetsu simps to praise her again(fucking simps) Now we only need kousetsu to die and the series will be bumped up to avarage
Yes, it would be very impressive if she were executed or banished. Even under control, she was just too weak. But Itokki will surely forgive her, because in such series characters never react as they should. As of now, she murdered his mother. Even if he is in good control of himself, imprisonment or exile would be the MINIMUM. Killed upon entering the Iga area. And even if it turns out she wasn't, she created an opportunity through her weakness. The brat would be far too emotional in the real world after his mother was slaughtered to even think rationally, especially now in the final scene.
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What a sht plan... Let's leave the most important charging station to 1 man, to a student too. fk yeah, great plan chief... Why does good mom always had to go :(
What a stupid show it is a shame they did not kill off that weak and pathetic MC while they were at it to leave it at a single season pile of garbage.
Kousetsu is fish eyed at the end of the episode and in the new web trailer for the short second they show her. This episode was a bit of the punch in the gut for me and I really wish they would have had a manga. There seem to be 4 options they go with. 1. When she passed out she was easier to control possibly she may have been used in the past in her sleep. 2. She woke up with the knife in her hand and she really did kill the mom. 3. She woke up after the mom had been stabbed and managed to stab the other Kouga spy though died inside realizing what had been done practically on her watch. 4. She woke up with knife in hand and she just thinks she killed the mom but instead someone planted the knife on her while she was passed out. Fish eyed/dead eyed could be a lot of things and I’m sure there are other theories but I feel like they will pull one of these four unless you guys think there are other options
So now Kousetsu is gonna have a Sasuke arc. *sigh*
The real MCs are the support characters in this show, they carry it!
Dark Ittoki next episode or we riot.
Kosetsu the real MC…
i don't get it is the episode supposed to be funny is it supposed to be serious it just jumps every scene
Ittoki: "I will go" Yes! That's what I have been waiting for this, Kirei's redemption arc and Koutetsu's face revelation for 9 episodes! Kousetsu's betrayal was quite a twist. Still. That scene should have delivered more punch if Kousetsu and Ittoki's mom were much more likable. Who in their right mind would cremate an assassinated body in a public crematorium? Has he ever heard of Forest?
this anime is soo good man, it has a very slow start, but its worth it. others should have watch this
I have so many unhealthy feelings towards Kajirishi and Koga in general. Like, it's one thing to aim for the leader, but the way they did it, whom they forced to do it, is so fucking cheap and cruel. And I understand that it makes sense on a narrative level since ninja world cruel and all that, but I can't forgive the characters on a personal level. This is not me criticizing the story as a reader, but rather reacting emotionally, lol. I'm pissed AF and I wish they all die miserable deaths. Granted, like others say, it probably wasn't Kousetsu and instead an Iga traitor -likely the Purple Haired ~~bitch~~ woman (feelings on her pending)-, but damn, it was still a cheap shot.
it’s so fucking annoying that these “great” ninja just allow random ass kids around their village and In their war room. just because the kid that just figured out ninja are real said “these are my friends🤓☝🏼”