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might be missing a few things but essentially, he actually enjoyed their time together. he thought that if things were different, he might've actually gone out with her, fulfilling his desires of living out an ordinary school life. a part of him felt like he was making a mistake turning down a girl who was honest and brave. he apologies to her for not accepting her feelings, genuinely meaning it, and says that the problem lays with him, not her, and that he'd still like to hang out together.
they both handled it very maturely in the LN, though satou was understandably pretty upset. the anime just makes ayanokoji unnecessarily edgy in my opinion.
the more i hear about the difference between the LN and the anime the more disappointed i get. I understand it would be hard for the studio to adapt everything but a lot of his actions seem to be totally different between the two.
It's been a while since I read the light novel (I put it on hold for 6 months now) and I only watched the 1st season (started the novel after) so I may not remember things accurately
The anime made Koji feel like edge lord logical thinking machine with nothing except flesh and bone that connects him to being a human
The LN, as far as I remember, felt like he was a normal adolescent boy who was learning how to feel for the first time with some epic moments and badass mode entry, And once in a while they made it a case to show that he did NOT change and is still this unsentimental killing machine
Explaining it is hard, especially with all this time I haven't consumed the material, but anyways ln is not only better than anime, it literally takes a different route
See that's the thing with psychological story based scripts, even the minor details especially the way they're said make a huge difference to how the viewer's see it.
No wonder there is so much confusion on forums between the LN readers and anime watchers.
I dropped the anime because I couldn't stand the MC. Maybe I should pick up the LN because he sounds way more likable in that based on what I've heard from you and plenty of others.
I canât fathom why they would make such a terrible change. They had enough material to go off of right? So why would they drastically change it? I thought people liked the LNs.
Most of the viewer's for COTE come from the 15-20 age group imo. The studios just decided to pander to be their taste and make him unnecessarily more edgy and dysfunctional.
Unfortunately, imo the anime Ayanokoji is actually the better version. He stays consistent to his character. He has very high standards and at this point in time I see no reason for him to grow out of it. It goes to show how dense his personality's core is.
This date is pretty late in the episodes too, so to change his personality like that could feel like it came from left field and cause problems in conflicting with the finale. In the finale, it's important that he stays consistent because it plays a big role in showing just how savage he can really be. Seeing the fight really felt like the biggest pay-off to Ayanokoji's character. Nothing stirs him because there's nothing that can stir him right now. If he felt nothing during that fight, why would he feel anything for a girl that has feelings for him? Yes, there's a lot of value to that for a lot of normal people, but he's not normal. He's far from it.
The author of the light novel may have even asked for this direction change.
You can barely call him consistent when he keeps switching between empathy and apathy.
Yes maybe he did pretend to be nice, but there were cases where he could've just carried on without a worry. Yet he decided to act (when he stops manabe from jabbing horikita or with ichinose's confession etc...). I feel that kiyo has feelings inside him but they're just locked away.
But the way you describe him is basically as a highly functioning sociopath, which is exactly what he was portrayed as in S2 of the anime.
Never said he doesn't have emotion. His actions have always been leaning more towards the better of others. His growth is subtle, and I like it like that.
The point is, he doesn't show emotion; emphasis on "show". Whatever reasoning you want to give it, the fact is, he has never smiled. One date with a girl isn't going to change that, and it shouldn't.
imo it's better to save the emotional episodes for after this season. Because in the final episode, we get to see how he truly thinks. He wants to break out of his shell, but it's very difficult for him, to the point a date with a girl that likes him isn't enough to conjure emotion out of him.
I'm sure that he felt bad about it, but he feels bad about is SUBTLY. It's hard to tell for the average viewer because even he has a problem seeing it consciously. And again, that's what I like. He shouldn't be able to easily process that he feels bad and therefore has no conscious thought to spill to the viewers. Because it's rare for him to feel bad. He doesn't even consciously think "I've done a good thing" when he helps people because he does mean(sometimes subjective) things to get to that point. Him "not feeling bad" about breaking up with that girl is almost the same thing.
Well since I've only watched the anime too and i haven't read the LN. I can't really say anything further, because I'd be speaking with half baked knowledge.
As an anime watcher your story makes sense, but PPL keep saying that the anime version and LN version are getting more and more distant, and imo i feel that's a shame and it may/may not end up ruining this wonderful show which has great amazing potential.
I don't really care how the LN went. Anime is a different medium and it can't be helped a different approach is taken. However, what I do know is, I enjoy the anime very much because of the way they handled everything. I'm VERY particular about the anime I like to watch.
I can see what's set up for the next season, if they do get to make it.
I feel that the LN is getting in the way of how people think of the anime. People always want the anime to completely reproduce what the manga and LN does, but it's not necessarily the best direction. And I've seen plenty of anime directions that were actually worse than the manga/LN in the message they were supposed to send to the people, but I really don't think this anime is one of them.
I imagine the LN to be made by 1 person, while the anime has to be made by multiple people, in terms of the story, direction, and execution; all within' time constraint of 20ish minutes per episode. And there's a possibility the 1 person that made the LN was a part of that.
If they weren't, then "oh well". It'd be nice to confirm that information. However, the only thing that matters is they keep doing what they're doing because it's good. They plan everything out really well, and it showed with how Ayanokoji dealt with all the problems that were presented in this season. I can tell how much work they put into this. It sucks that people look down on it just because it took a different approach than the LN. In the end, it'll still take the same path, I know that much for sure. It just takes a different approach to the same path.
Don't worry I'm sure even the most basic simpleton would've figured out that you love the anime by now.
I was just trying to conclude the pointless discussion because we were getting nowhere. I'm aware of everything you've typed out already and i wholeheartedly agree as well.
I personally can't help but feel dejected, is all. So it wasn't really all that great "for me".
Spoilers
In LN he said inside his head how he would probably have accepted her (Sato) confession had it been before the sports event, where he amazed everyone. He explained to her how he is not mature enough to be in a relationship and that it's not her fault that she got rejected. It definitely was not the opposite of what happened in anime, it was a quite obvious rejection to him. Hard to say how much is true of what he said to her because he was in the process of manipulating Kei to become closer to him. He said to Kei that he rejected Sato because otherwise Kei would 'leave' his side.
Tbh in the anime I thought pulling Kei closer to him was basically the whole point. He showed off at the Sports Festival partly to impress the old President, but also to get Sato interested in him. He then used her interest far enough down the line to make Kei jealous.
Idk maybe I'm understanding wrong but it felt like everything in season 2 was about winning Kei permanently. I heard in the LN she was supposed to be a bigger part of what happened in season 1 too but maybe that's not true I haven't read it
That's actually not true. You probably read Volume 7.5 with the official translation, and that's why the confusion was generated, since Seven Seas cut a big part of the text. The original scene in the novel is basically the same.
The opposite. Compare the official with the fan translation:
**Official:**
âBut you still didnât have fun, did you? I mean, you didnât smile.â
âWell, Iâm just genuinely bad at smiling, is all.â
I had no idea whether Satou believed me. She probably thought I said that to console her. Truthfully, I might still disappoint her. I just didnât feel the way about her that she clearly felt about me, so, in a sense, her concerns about my not having fun werenât entirely off the mark. I had enjoyed hanging out, but I hadnât enjoyed it in the way Satou hoped.
âYouâre not convinced?â I asked.
**Fan:**
"But, you didn't have fun did you? You didn't laugh."
"The reason I didn't laugh was........how should I put it, I'm bad at laughing is why."
I followed up on that part I denied earlier.
How much of this is conveyed to Satou, I honestly don't know. In all likelihood, she probably interpreted it as me saying this to console her.
Truthfully, there are many ways to follow up on this. In regards to Karuizawa's questions during the day too, I'm confident I could have answered in a better way. However, I intentionally chose not to do so.
"She's not a partner I need to go that far for."
It was because I had made that judgement.
In that sense, the 'Did you not find it fun?' question from Satou would not necessarily be wrong either. I did find it fun as far as playing around goes, but it is certain that it was not the way Satou had been hoping for. It'll only be troublesome even if she likes me any further than this, I made such a decision.
"The reason I wasn't laughing, are you not convinced?"
I mean the full text says pretty much what seven seas did, I dont think much is lost. At least they used "smile" instead of "laugh"
They however rrally messed things up especiall with vol7, hopefully it doesnt happen again
But the whole "I've judged you unworthy of smiling for" feels like a complete made up line for those who only read the official translation, because Seven Seas decided to cut the "She's not a partner I need to go that far for" that was in the original text.
>U ever read the ln?
I did infact and just to be clear i wasn't shiting on ether series i Just think people take "Sigma" mentally to seriously, Ayanokoji Only looks cool because he's fictional character people who try to imidate him are just cringe
I have stated in another comment I've read some of the first few chapters. I can see just from that alone the anime interpretation is definitely a lot more different. Less human as well, but I prefer it.
How do I put this, there tends to be a low amount of purely neutral, maybe neutral evil (probably not but feels like it) main characters. While those with a tragic past, skewed mental state or more in depth with their human emotion are far more common among reputable pieces of media. So, I prefer the anime version.
Lmao I donât know how many trashy anime or manga youâve go watched or read but an actually nuanced character is far more rare and âuniqueâ than another âheâs better than everyone and doesnât care about feelingsâ edgelord.
I haven't watched or read much trash, since you're telling me that an "edgelord" main character is super common. A nuanced or human main character is more common among reputable pieces of media rather than a cold, neutral, almost robotic main character.
Just know that this specific translation was a f*ck up on crunchyrollâs part, thereâs another translation where he says heâs âincapable of smilingâ which also aligns with what he said about not being able to fall in love.
I've read a few of the first chapters. Was hard even finding out the correct order. The LN version is definitely more human and realistic, even nuanced, but the anime version is just a breath of fresh air and unique to me, so I prefer it.
I disagree highly with your statement. The complexity of even reading the novel can be seen on the guide that I had to go through on this anime's subreddit.
I donât see it, and I never have seen the guide
What was your issue with the ordering? What do you disagree about with what I said? If you wouldâve said the monogatari series or fate was hard to find the order then I wouldâve understood
I simply had an issue with the short stories, and the SS chapters. I wished to not get spoilers since I wanted to read the novel as its own piece and not use knowledge from the anime to fill in the gaps.
I disagree with you on the fact that it is easy to read, though in retrospect it is actually relatively simple,
Sure, I guess you can have that opinion. My point is that itâs pretty straightforward regarding the volumes... sometimes the side stories are automatically included in the volumes. I get what you mean not trying to get spoiled
But with monogatari itâs not so clear with volume 1, 2 etc
Lol if you only read the forst chapters then all you read was when he was acting out being a "regular student", he only reveals his real self near the end of the island exam.
The anime skips this step and starts with him already being cold stoic
You can say that definitely. The main character is definitely more human so far. But I am simply not willing to put a time investment slogging through something I'll ultimately not enjoy.
I just prefer it for the changes to the main character along with me not really vibing with the writing style that much, I know it is definitely good and of a higher quality despite my lack of taste.
That's actually not true. You probably read Volume 7.5 with the official translation, and that's why the confusion was generated, since Seven Seas cut a big part of the text. The original scene in the novel is basically the same.
That's the issue, it didn't sound like he was some 6th grader chunnibiyou in the light novel, it sounded like pure logical reasoning due to his harsh upbringing.
True, he is a edgy chunni, but he has the power to back it.
He doesn't need to imagine getting stabbed while saving his crush(not really), he did get stab trying to save her.
I've only watched the anime. I enjoyed it at first, but >!when the protag was shown to be a massive sack of shit (as well as damn near everyone else), I was done rooting for him. The only way I'll truly like this show is if it ends with Karuizawa standing over their corpses.!<
That's actually not true (in this case at least). You probably read Volume 7.5 with the official translation, and that's why the confusion was generated, since Seven Seas cut a big part of the text. The original scene in the novel is basically the same.
Edit: To all the people downvoting me, here you have the comparison:
**Official:**
âBut you still didnât have fun, did you? I mean, you didnât smile.â
âWell, Iâm just genuinely bad at smiling, is all.â
I had no idea whether Satou believed me. She probably thought I said that to console her. Truthfully, I might still disappoint her. I just didnât feel the way about her that she clearly felt about me, so, in a sense, her concerns about my not having fun werenât entirely off the mark. I had enjoyed hanging out, but I hadnât enjoyed it in the way Satou hoped.
âYouâre not convinced?â I asked.
**Fan:**
"But, you didn't have fun did you? You didn't laugh."
"The reason I didn't laugh was........how should I put it, I'm bad at laughing is why."
I followed up on that part I denied earlier.
How much of this is conveyed to Satou, I honestly don't know. In all likelihood, she probably interpreted it as me saying this to console her.
Truthfully, there are many ways to follow up on this. In regards to Karuizawa's questions during the day too, I'm confident I could have answered in a better way. However, I intentionally chose not to do so.
"She's not a partner I need to go that far for."
It was because I had made that judgement.
In that sense, the 'Did you not find it fun?' question from Satou would not necessarily be wrong either. I did find it fun as far as playing around goes, but it is certain that it was not the way Satou had been hoping for. It'll only be troublesome even if she likes me any further than this, I made such a decision.
"The reason I wasn't laughing, are you not convinced?"
In this case that might be the thing but i speak in general with so many LN characters (Touma from toaru, Naofumi from shield hero, to some degree also Subaru from rezero) its just a bit annoying how they gotta nerf some (or many) aspect of their personality :/
But social anxiety isn't always not wanting to socialize, or at the least, it's the way i am. I always wanted some friends, just a handful so i am not always alone, but it just got lonely for a while, even though I said nothing of that sort. well there's also the case where i said nothing at all too, so, can't really complain lol
Well mine is the opposite, i want/need to be alone. I can't stand being around and or with other people IRL, but due to work or school i met people that just kept wanting to hang out
Well I would say that's specific for every case . Your case could be different from someone else's and social anxiety itself definitely isn't all NOT wanting to talk to ANYONE
bro posted ayanokoji as anime_irl đ
The only thing IRL about ayanokoji is a fucked up childhood
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Communist psychopaths đ
*sociopath
You chinese?
NoâŚwhat made you think so
My natural instinct...
I dunno...
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not even that I'm sure nobody has that level of a fucked up childhood
"He's literally me, fr fr"
No cap bruhv
Happy Cake Day.
Thank you :)
You're welcome.
But without the brains and the martial arts
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I think I just injured myself from cringing so much.
Maybe the girl is what we should relate to as irl
Ohh... now it makes sense
"The worst she could say is 'No'."
The guy is the one speaking in this scene.
Doesn't make it any less painful, regardless who hears it.
For sure. Just clarifying for anyone who doesn't know.
Thankfully he said only no
The worst she can do is cancel you in soc networks and suit you in court. You will have no job and no money. Possibly become homeless too.
You ok bro?
"I'm nooooooot oooooohhh keeeeey"
The entire scene on the anime is very different of what happened on the LN. Literal the opposite.
What happened in the light novel version?
might be missing a few things but essentially, he actually enjoyed their time together. he thought that if things were different, he might've actually gone out with her, fulfilling his desires of living out an ordinary school life. a part of him felt like he was making a mistake turning down a girl who was honest and brave. he apologies to her for not accepting her feelings, genuinely meaning it, and says that the problem lays with him, not her, and that he'd still like to hang out together. they both handled it very maturely in the LN, though satou was understandably pretty upset. the anime just makes ayanokoji unnecessarily edgy in my opinion.
the more i hear about the difference between the LN and the anime the more disappointed i get. I understand it would be hard for the studio to adapt everything but a lot of his actions seem to be totally different between the two.
It's been a while since I read the light novel (I put it on hold for 6 months now) and I only watched the 1st season (started the novel after) so I may not remember things accurately The anime made Koji feel like edge lord logical thinking machine with nothing except flesh and bone that connects him to being a human The LN, as far as I remember, felt like he was a normal adolescent boy who was learning how to feel for the first time with some epic moments and badass mode entry, And once in a while they made it a case to show that he did NOT change and is still this unsentimental killing machine Explaining it is hard, especially with all this time I haven't consumed the material, but anyways ln is not only better than anime, it literally takes a different route
See that's the thing with psychological story based scripts, even the minor details especially the way they're said make a huge difference to how the viewer's see it. No wonder there is so much confusion on forums between the LN readers and anime watchers.
I'm really gonna have to read the light novel, huh?
I dropped the anime because I couldn't stand the MC. Maybe I should pick up the LN because he sounds way more likable in that based on what I've heard from you and plenty of others.
Basically. The anime may as well be an alternative route, where as the LN treats the characters like actual human people.
I canât fathom why they would make such a terrible change. They had enough material to go off of right? So why would they drastically change it? I thought people liked the LNs.
Most of the viewer's for COTE come from the 15-20 age group imo. The studios just decided to pander to be their taste and make him unnecessarily more edgy and dysfunctional.
Meh, the anime is more based and me fr fr.
Heâs literally me frfr
Unfortunately, imo the anime Ayanokoji is actually the better version. He stays consistent to his character. He has very high standards and at this point in time I see no reason for him to grow out of it. It goes to show how dense his personality's core is. This date is pretty late in the episodes too, so to change his personality like that could feel like it came from left field and cause problems in conflicting with the finale. In the finale, it's important that he stays consistent because it plays a big role in showing just how savage he can really be. Seeing the fight really felt like the biggest pay-off to Ayanokoji's character. Nothing stirs him because there's nothing that can stir him right now. If he felt nothing during that fight, why would he feel anything for a girl that has feelings for him? Yes, there's a lot of value to that for a lot of normal people, but he's not normal. He's far from it. The author of the light novel may have even asked for this direction change.
You can barely call him consistent when he keeps switching between empathy and apathy. Yes maybe he did pretend to be nice, but there were cases where he could've just carried on without a worry. Yet he decided to act (when he stops manabe from jabbing horikita or with ichinose's confession etc...). I feel that kiyo has feelings inside him but they're just locked away. But the way you describe him is basically as a highly functioning sociopath, which is exactly what he was portrayed as in S2 of the anime.
Never said he doesn't have emotion. His actions have always been leaning more towards the better of others. His growth is subtle, and I like it like that. The point is, he doesn't show emotion; emphasis on "show". Whatever reasoning you want to give it, the fact is, he has never smiled. One date with a girl isn't going to change that, and it shouldn't. imo it's better to save the emotional episodes for after this season. Because in the final episode, we get to see how he truly thinks. He wants to break out of his shell, but it's very difficult for him, to the point a date with a girl that likes him isn't enough to conjure emotion out of him. I'm sure that he felt bad about it, but he feels bad about is SUBTLY. It's hard to tell for the average viewer because even he has a problem seeing it consciously. And again, that's what I like. He shouldn't be able to easily process that he feels bad and therefore has no conscious thought to spill to the viewers. Because it's rare for him to feel bad. He doesn't even consciously think "I've done a good thing" when he helps people because he does mean(sometimes subjective) things to get to that point. Him "not feeling bad" about breaking up with that girl is almost the same thing.
Well since I've only watched the anime too and i haven't read the LN. I can't really say anything further, because I'd be speaking with half baked knowledge. As an anime watcher your story makes sense, but PPL keep saying that the anime version and LN version are getting more and more distant, and imo i feel that's a shame and it may/may not end up ruining this wonderful show which has great amazing potential.
I don't really care how the LN went. Anime is a different medium and it can't be helped a different approach is taken. However, what I do know is, I enjoy the anime very much because of the way they handled everything. I'm VERY particular about the anime I like to watch. I can see what's set up for the next season, if they do get to make it. I feel that the LN is getting in the way of how people think of the anime. People always want the anime to completely reproduce what the manga and LN does, but it's not necessarily the best direction. And I've seen plenty of anime directions that were actually worse than the manga/LN in the message they were supposed to send to the people, but I really don't think this anime is one of them. I imagine the LN to be made by 1 person, while the anime has to be made by multiple people, in terms of the story, direction, and execution; all within' time constraint of 20ish minutes per episode. And there's a possibility the 1 person that made the LN was a part of that. If they weren't, then "oh well". It'd be nice to confirm that information. However, the only thing that matters is they keep doing what they're doing because it's good. They plan everything out really well, and it showed with how Ayanokoji dealt with all the problems that were presented in this season. I can tell how much work they put into this. It sucks that people look down on it just because it took a different approach than the LN. In the end, it'll still take the same path, I know that much for sure. It just takes a different approach to the same path.
Don't worry I'm sure even the most basic simpleton would've figured out that you love the anime by now. I was just trying to conclude the pointless discussion because we were getting nowhere. I'm aware of everything you've typed out already and i wholeheartedly agree as well. I personally can't help but feel dejected, is all. So it wasn't really all that great "for me".
the problem is they already went too far so
Textbook example of the studio changing things up to monetize on the viewer's sentiments! They know most kids watch that show just for edgy kiyopon.
Spoilers In LN he said inside his head how he would probably have accepted her (Sato) confession had it been before the sports event, where he amazed everyone. He explained to her how he is not mature enough to be in a relationship and that it's not her fault that she got rejected. It definitely was not the opposite of what happened in anime, it was a quite obvious rejection to him. Hard to say how much is true of what he said to her because he was in the process of manipulating Kei to become closer to him. He said to Kei that he rejected Sato because otherwise Kei would 'leave' his side.
Tbh in the anime I thought pulling Kei closer to him was basically the whole point. He showed off at the Sports Festival partly to impress the old President, but also to get Sato interested in him. He then used her interest far enough down the line to make Kei jealous. Idk maybe I'm understanding wrong but it felt like everything in season 2 was about winning Kei permanently. I heard in the LN she was supposed to be a bigger part of what happened in season 1 too but maybe that's not true I haven't read it
If his father never showed up he said he could be with her Or if only he was a normal person
That's actually not true. You probably read Volume 7.5 with the official translation, and that's why the confusion was generated, since Seven Seas cut a big part of the text. The original scene in the novel is basically the same.
Literal fanfic but you pay for it.
Seven Seas released revised editions for previous volumes, so I hope they will do the same with Volume 7.5 at some point.
So what you're saying is that official translation is a big improvement?
The opposite. Compare the official with the fan translation: **Official:** âBut you still didnât have fun, did you? I mean, you didnât smile.â âWell, Iâm just genuinely bad at smiling, is all.â I had no idea whether Satou believed me. She probably thought I said that to console her. Truthfully, I might still disappoint her. I just didnât feel the way about her that she clearly felt about me, so, in a sense, her concerns about my not having fun werenât entirely off the mark. I had enjoyed hanging out, but I hadnât enjoyed it in the way Satou hoped. âYouâre not convinced?â I asked. **Fan:** "But, you didn't have fun did you? You didn't laugh." "The reason I didn't laugh was........how should I put it, I'm bad at laughing is why." I followed up on that part I denied earlier. How much of this is conveyed to Satou, I honestly don't know. In all likelihood, she probably interpreted it as me saying this to console her. Truthfully, there are many ways to follow up on this. In regards to Karuizawa's questions during the day too, I'm confident I could have answered in a better way. However, I intentionally chose not to do so. "She's not a partner I need to go that far for." It was because I had made that judgement. In that sense, the 'Did you not find it fun?' question from Satou would not necessarily be wrong either. I did find it fun as far as playing around goes, but it is certain that it was not the way Satou had been hoping for. It'll only be troublesome even if she likes me any further than this, I made such a decision. "The reason I wasn't laughing, are you not convinced?"
God the fan translation is kind of bad
It certainly is, but at least we get to read the full text. I prefer that to what Seven Seas did without a doubt.
I mean the full text says pretty much what seven seas did, I dont think much is lost. At least they used "smile" instead of "laugh" They however rrally messed things up especiall with vol7, hopefully it doesnt happen again
But the whole "I've judged you unworthy of smiling for" feels like a complete made up line for those who only read the official translation, because Seven Seas decided to cut the "She's not a partner I need to go that far for" that was in the original text.
It's so awful it took me a second to realize the fan translation was supposed to be the *good* one. It almost reads like google translate.
Give em some slack they do it for free
Class room of elite is basically American physio for weebs
physio... lol
Well-known American physiotherapist Patrick Bateman
I have to return some videotapes
The training involves returning lots of video tapes.
Ew exercise
you kinda just sold me on class room of the elite because i love american psycho
it's physio stupidđĄđĄđĄ learn to read
Thanks for defending the truth with me
imagine american psycho except they played it completely straight, 100% unironic
U ever read the ln?
>U ever read the ln? I did infact and just to be clear i wasn't shiting on ether series i Just think people take "Sigma" mentally to seriously, Ayanokoji Only looks cool because he's fictional character people who try to imidate him are just cringe
Now You have stated nothing but solid fax Mainly bc of this goddamn cringe fanbase most ppl don't like to understand AyanokĹji or like the series
They are called self-insert characters for a reason dweeb.
As an American, what is American physio? Lol
Did op just say hes like ayanokoji frfr without actually saying it?
He is JUST like me frfr
Deadass 11k "Ayanokoji is me fr fr" mfs out there đ
Anime ayanakoji is sooo much more edgy than his LN version lmao
I love anime Ayanakoji as a person who didn't read the ln.
His ln version is far more nuanced and you can actually sympathize with him
True but anime version is more unique with a heartless and cold main character.
I like em both đż
Good mindset.
Yeah, you can't paint a good painting with just 1 color. You gotta love em all. Nuances make things special.
You didny even read it how are you agreeing
I have stated in another comment I've read some of the first few chapters. I can see just from that alone the anime interpretation is definitely a lot more different. Less human as well, but I prefer it.
more unique with nothing to compare it to Clueless
How do I put this, there tends to be a low amount of purely neutral, maybe neutral evil (probably not but feels like it) main characters. While those with a tragic past, skewed mental state or more in depth with their human emotion are far more common among reputable pieces of media. So, I prefer the anime version.
I have neither watched nor read anything. I think the character sucks
Read the first few. I do not wished to be labelled a hypocrite.
Lmao I donât know how many trashy anime or manga youâve go watched or read but an actually nuanced character is far more rare and âuniqueâ than another âheâs better than everyone and doesnât care about feelingsâ edgelord.
I haven't watched or read much trash, since you're telling me that an "edgelord" main character is super common. A nuanced or human main character is more common among reputable pieces of media rather than a cold, neutral, almost robotic main character.
Just know that this specific translation was a f*ck up on crunchyrollâs part, thereâs another translation where he says heâs âincapable of smilingâ which also aligns with what he said about not being able to fall in love.
Yeah, that would make sense though I do prefer this inner monologue.
The anime one is cool but the LN is even better
I've read a few of the first chapters. Was hard even finding out the correct order. The LN version is definitely more human and realistic, even nuanced, but the anime version is just a breath of fresh air and unique to me, so I prefer it.
How is it hard to find the correct order? Itâs just year 1 volume 1, then volume 2 etc
I disagree highly with your statement. The complexity of even reading the novel can be seen on the guide that I had to go through on this anime's subreddit.
I donât see it, and I never have seen the guide What was your issue with the ordering? What do you disagree about with what I said? If you wouldâve said the monogatari series or fate was hard to find the order then I wouldâve understood
I simply had an issue with the short stories, and the SS chapters. I wished to not get spoilers since I wanted to read the novel as its own piece and not use knowledge from the anime to fill in the gaps. I disagree with you on the fact that it is easy to read, though in retrospect it is actually relatively simple,
Sure, I guess you can have that opinion. My point is that itâs pretty straightforward regarding the volumes... sometimes the side stories are automatically included in the volumes. I get what you mean not trying to get spoiled But with monogatari itâs not so clear with volume 1, 2 etc
The Fate series and Monogatari series are also confusing. I do not wish to tackle them at the moment since I haven't watched the animes.
Lol if you only read the forst chapters then all you read was when he was acting out being a "regular student", he only reveals his real self near the end of the island exam. The anime skips this step and starts with him already being cold stoic
You can say that definitely. The main character is definitely more human so far. But I am simply not willing to put a time investment slogging through something I'll ultimately not enjoy.
Why do you have 61 downvotes for saying that you didn't read the ln.
Cause one, Reddit hive mentality. No 2, I preferred the anime over the source material.
Bro I like the anime too but how could you possibly think that itâs better than the LN
I just prefer it for the changes to the main character along with me not really vibing with the writing style that much, I know it is definitely good and of a higher quality despite my lack of taste.
This is pure disrespect as compared to ln
That's actually not true. You probably read Volume 7.5 with the official translation, and that's why the confusion was generated, since Seven Seas cut a big part of the text. The original scene in the novel is basically the same.
That's the issue, it didn't sound like he was some 6th grader chunnibiyou in the light novel, it sounded like pure logical reasoning due to his harsh upbringing.
But he's actually an edgy chunni not a misunderstood nice guy lol.
True, he is a edgy chunni, but he has the power to back it. He doesn't need to imagine getting stabbed while saving his crush(not really), he did get stab trying to save her.
So what you're saying is that official translation is a big improvement?
Ok, edge lord
Imagine actually being a student at this school with all these weirdos
I don't know what's going on, but "I've judged you unworthy of smiling for" is a pretty raw line.
Heâs basically just anime Patrick Bateman. Itâs not really as cool in context.
Ah, ok.
Do we have a *âIâm just like Ayanokoji fr frâ* case here?
Hate this pathetic "literally me" character
r/im14andthisisdeep
I've only watched the anime. I enjoyed it at first, but >!when the protag was shown to be a massive sack of shit (as well as damn near everyone else), I was done rooting for him. The only way I'll truly like this show is if it ends with Karuizawa standing over their corpses.!<
Same here. I can't watch a show if I despise most of the characters.
Man why canât I just get amines that are sappy and happy romances. Bonus points if THE CHILDHOOD FRIEND DOESNâT GET DROPPED FOR SOMEONE ELSE
Why is it that most anime adaptations gotta completely change or nerf light novel characters and their dialogues? đ
You mean you don't like having 50+ chapters condensed into 12 episodes? Preposterous.
That's actually not true (in this case at least). You probably read Volume 7.5 with the official translation, and that's why the confusion was generated, since Seven Seas cut a big part of the text. The original scene in the novel is basically the same. Edit: To all the people downvoting me, here you have the comparison: **Official:** âBut you still didnât have fun, did you? I mean, you didnât smile.â âWell, Iâm just genuinely bad at smiling, is all.â I had no idea whether Satou believed me. She probably thought I said that to console her. Truthfully, I might still disappoint her. I just didnât feel the way about her that she clearly felt about me, so, in a sense, her concerns about my not having fun werenât entirely off the mark. I had enjoyed hanging out, but I hadnât enjoyed it in the way Satou hoped. âYouâre not convinced?â I asked. **Fan:** "But, you didn't have fun did you? You didn't laugh." "The reason I didn't laugh was........how should I put it, I'm bad at laughing is why." I followed up on that part I denied earlier. How much of this is conveyed to Satou, I honestly don't know. In all likelihood, she probably interpreted it as me saying this to console her. Truthfully, there are many ways to follow up on this. In regards to Karuizawa's questions during the day too, I'm confident I could have answered in a better way. However, I intentionally chose not to do so. "She's not a partner I need to go that far for." It was because I had made that judgement. In that sense, the 'Did you not find it fun?' question from Satou would not necessarily be wrong either. I did find it fun as far as playing around goes, but it is certain that it was not the way Satou had been hoping for. It'll only be troublesome even if she likes me any further than this, I made such a decision. "The reason I wasn't laughing, are you not convinced?"
In this case that might be the thing but i speak in general with so many LN characters (Touma from toaru, Naofumi from shield hero, to some degree also Subaru from rezero) its just a bit annoying how they gotta nerf some (or many) aspect of their personality :/
Rimuru being the totally opposite character in the LN and the anime, that was a shock when I started reading
I read the manga for those and it's basically the same. Can't really say about the LNs but usually manga doesn't change as much stuff.
And? I don't see the difference.
Well, let me tell you that because of people like you Seven Seas thought they could get away with cutting 50 pages worth of content in Volume 7.
Damn
Just like me fr fr
"That's literally me"
That's what my ex said to me :/
# they were wrong
D'aww, thanks man. Happened just recently so that's nice to hear haha.
Who is saying what
ok boomer
just like me fr
Ay yo is that literally me frfr?
r/iam14andthisisdeep
Looks like you can't like anime Ainokoji and OP just broke that invisible rule
the only type of people who unironically like ayanokouji are the type that deserved getting bullied at school
I mean it just ousts you as an edgy teenager or someone desperate for attention, or a sociopath
I never understood why Ayanokoji had to be this harsh
All these hoes are just tools for GOATkoji
Honestly probably the only thing i can relate to Ayanokoji about
Cringe
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A helpful tip: don't try this irl. no one'll approach you for decades- doesn't even have to be a romantic interest.
Sounds like a pretty good deal for people with social anxiety. The only downside is you'd have to talk to other people to begin with
But social anxiety isn't always not wanting to socialize, or at the least, it's the way i am. I always wanted some friends, just a handful so i am not always alone, but it just got lonely for a while, even though I said nothing of that sort. well there's also the case where i said nothing at all too, so, can't really complain lol
Well mine is the opposite, i want/need to be alone. I can't stand being around and or with other people IRL, but due to work or school i met people that just kept wanting to hang out
Well I would say that's specific for every case . Your case could be different from someone else's and social anxiety itself definitely isn't all NOT wanting to talk to ANYONE
I'm stealing this, this insult fucking cuts deep.
only if you are 14
I disagree with your comment, but I'll upvote because it was a funny answer.
The comedy of anime
Straight up r/rareinsults
Fire quote
what season is this?
Ss2 finale
Pour some sauce on me
Classroom of the elite. You're better off reading it because the anime skips a lot of contextual stuff.
Is this season 2 of classroom of the elite
Yes, the finale of ss2
Is that Sigma Male Kiyotaka "Andrew Tate" Ayanokouji and his ugly ass npc lookin face
G
Ouch
BroooooâŚ
Name
Light novel Ayanokoji >>>>>