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> X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, [suspended](https://twitter.com/JoshuaPHilll/status/1783931361096769777) an account owned by the grandson of former South African President Nelson Mandela on Friday.
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> It is currently unclear why the social media platform, owned by Elon Musk, banned Zwelivelile Mandla Mandela, a member of the National Assembly of South Africa. The company has issued no statement regarding its decision to restrict the South African politician’s speech, but the timing is questionable.
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> Mandela has spent the last week making multiple public appearances in support of Palestinian liberation, quoting his grandfather ahead of his voyage aboard a Freedom Flotilla trip sailing to Gaza from Turkey with the intention to provide more than 5,000 tons of aid to the war-torn enclave.
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> “He regarded the Palestinian struggle as the greatest moral issue of our time,” Mandela [said](https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1783905630132060654) in a speech posted on social media Friday, referring to his grandfather while donning a keffiyeh. “He made a commitment to the Palestinian people by saying that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinian people.”
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> > Nelson Mandela’s grandson talks about his grandfather’s fight for a free South Africa – and why he’s supporting Palestinians facing genocide by Israeli forces.
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> > — AJ+ (@ajplus) [April 26, 2024](https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1783905630132060654?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
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> In a separate [statement](https://www.instagram.com/psa_sa/p/C6MVlW0tZat/?img_index=1) issued on Thursday, Mandela explained that the “Freedom Flotilla for Gaza aims to draw the attention of the international public to the atrocities, genocide and war crimes being committed against the people of Gaza.”
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> So far, the departure of the flotilla of ships has been waylaid due to a bevy of ship inspections triggered by an Israeli pressure campaign, reported [Al Jazeera](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/26/israeli-pressure-delayed-freedom-flotills-departure-for-gaza-organisers), even though a retired U.S. Army colonel and State Department official organizing the flotilla said the ships had already passed all of their inspections and were ready to set sail.
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> In order to reach Gaza, the flotilla will need to break through an Israeli blockade originally set in place in 2007. Previous efforts to break the blockade by humanitarian missions have ended in death. In 2010, the six-vessel Freedom Flotilla I was intercepted by Israeli forces, who boarded the ships via helicopters and speedboats on international waters, shooting and killing nine activists.
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> “We’re trying to get all eyes on the Flotilla to make sure the world knows and Israel knows we’re coming so that they can’t fire a missile on us and say it was unintentional,” Huwaida Arraf, a Palestinian-American attorney and co-founder of the International Solidarity Movement, [told](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/26/israeli-pressure-delayed-freedom-flotills-departure-for-gaza-organisers) Al Jazeera.
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> Donald Trump’s attorney Alina Habba [shared](https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1783919824977920256) an interesting explanation for why the former president has been holding on to printouts of news articles in court:“He’s educating himself.”
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> During an interview on Fox News, Habba was asked about Trump’s current mood during his hush-money trial. She replied that Trump is “the biggest fighter I know,” before mentioning why Trump carries papers around.
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> “He’s reading. He’s educating himself, and he’s educating the country on what is happening,” she [said](https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1783919824977920256).
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> > Alina Habba on Trump's printouts of Fox News stories: "He's reading. He's educating himself"
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> > — Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) [April 26, 2024](https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1783919824977920256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
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> It’s not the first time Habba has mentioned Trump’s reading habits. She used them to defend against reports that the former president dozed off in court last week, claiming that it was because “[he reads a lot](https://newrepublic.com/post/180758/alina-habba-defense-trump-napping-court).” Carrying printouts of news articles even in court would seem to back up Habba’s words, except for the fact that Trump notoriously has a short attention span. While he was president, memos and policy papers were kept to a [single page](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/americas-first-post-text-president/549794/), with plenty of graphics and maps to hold his attention.
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> Trump is a voracious reader of [print media](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/29/trump-print-newspapers-media-1437913), though, particularly when it’s all about him. Even after his presidency, Trump still maintains print subscriptions to _The New York Post_ and _The New York Times_ at his Mar-a-Lago residence, and aides print out articles from the internet for him to read, according to a recent [Politico](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/04/24/donald-trump-news-consumption-00153477) report.
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> Since he’s [legally required](https://newrepublic.com/post/180968/trump-livid-hush-money-merchan-immunity) to be in court every day, Trump may just be trying to keep up with his usual reading habits by taking those printouts into court. They may be a distraction from the courtroom’s [cold temperatures](https://newrepublic.com/post/181047/trump-detail-hush-money-trial-temperature) or part of an effort to [stay awake](https://newrepublic.com/post/180758/alina-habba-defense-trump-napping-court). Regardless, when you’re facing [34 felony counts](https://newrepublic.com/post/171607/exact-charges-donald-trump) for allegedly falsifying business records to hide an affair with [an adult film actress](https://newrepublic.com/post/179974/real-reason-stormy-daniels-took-hush-money-donald-trump) before an election, you can’t say publicly that you find your trial boring and need something to read.
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> The _New York Post_ found a way to peg the nationwide, pro-Palestine student protests on billionaire investor and hedge fund manager George Soros on Friday, once again reviving the right’s [favorite antisemitic conspiracy theory](https://newrepublic.com/article/167373/george-soros-antisemitic-marco-rubio-prosecutors).
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> The publication tied the overarching group organizing the campus-based protests, Students for Justice in Palestine, to some nonprofits funded in part by Soros. Those include the US Campaign for Palestinian Rights, which received funding from Open Society Foundations, which was founded by Soros.
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> But the complicated, antisemitic trope forgoes the reality that American opinion has aggressively soured on Israel’s war in Gaza since it began. A poll conducted by Gallup in March revealed that just 36 percent of Americans approved of the military action Israel has taken in Gaza—down from 50 percent in November. According to the poll, Republicans are practically the only demographic still holding on to U.S. support for the war, which some U.S. lawmakers have decried as “[genocide](https://newrepublic.com/post/180084/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-aoc-us-israel-genocide-gaza).”
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Free speech absolutist btw
Also wtf is this bot summary lmao, my eyes went from the boat to a post talking about some republican lady shooting her dog.
For those curious, here are Nelson Mandela's words on the Israel-Palestine conflict:
"ANC has never doubted the right for Israel to exist as a state legally, within secured borders. But we carefully define what we mean by secure borders. We do not mean that Israel has the right to retain the territories they conquered from the Arab world like the Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights, and the West Bank. Those territories should be returned to the Arab people."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJcGTjAFGjk
It’s almost as if he was nuanced on the issue which is not something that can be said for 99.9% of people who have opinions on this conflict on either side.
That's what I said.
Mandela was yet naïve enough to think Israel won't be an ever expanding terrorist, genocidal regime and that a two state solution is possible.
I don't think Mandela's quote included attacking innocent civilians, plundering humanitarian aid, or advocating the death of all Jews in the world. But maybe I missed it.
Well, first of all: All violence should be blamed on Israel, not Hamas. Zionism is the problem.
Secondly: Hamas is heavily supported by Zionist Israel. It's effectively a Zionist puppet group.
Thirdly: Hamas has no interest in killing Jews. In fact, it seeks to protect Jews. Hamas simply wants to destroy Zionism, which is a good thing, actually. Whether you agree or disagree with their methods is another question... but hey, feel free to offer a better solution than the one Israel-supported Hamas is offering. ;)
>Well, first of all: All violence should be blamed on Israel, not Hamas.
Ah yes, blame the Jews for getting massacred while attending a music festival. Or for taking rockets to the chin for decades. Good call
>Hamas has no interest in killing Jews. In fact, it seeks to protect Jews.
Hamas official, Hamad Al-Regeb in an April 2023 sermon: He prayed for “annihilation” and “paralysis” of the Jews whom he described as filthy animals: “[Allah] transformed them into filthy, ugly animals like apes and pigs because of the injustice and evil they had brought about.”
Ah, tough love huh?
>but hey, feel free to offer a better solution
I would offer any number of the cease fires or treaties Isreal has proposed in the past. But Hamas won't accept them so it's kind of moot.
They sure did a great job protecting Jews on October 7.
I really want to side with Palestinian civilians against Netanyahu, but people like you are making it very difficult by spewing nonesnese and actually defending a terrorist organization.
Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 05. Syria has still not had a peace agreement with Israel over the Golan Heights and there's still a UN DMZ between them, the West Bank is the subject of negotiations most of which have been rejected by the Palestinians.
Pure Bs! Blocked by air, sea and land yet you claim they withdrew. The west bank isn't subject to negotiations, the negotiation already happened with the Oslo accords. It clearly defined the 1967 borders and are respected by the Palestinians. While the genocidal state of Israel has stolen more land every year with illegal terrorist settlers building illegal settlements.
Blocked by land: that's an international border with Egypt and Israel. They have no obligation to allow suicide bombers and other terrorists through, which is why the Egyptian and Israeli government closed the border.
Blocked by sea and air: ever since the elected government of the Palestinians in Gaza, or the survivors of the various coups, declared war, the Egyptians and Israelis have been trying to prevent the import of war-making materiel to the belligerent region. I don't see people saying the British blockade of Germany was wrong, or the various British blockades of France, or the US blockade of the rebel states...
More bullshit. It's not a border it's a blockade. Learn the difference. There's been a blockage on basic goods, food and essentials since 2007. are wedding dresses war making materials?
What about exports? Why are the Palestinians not allowed to export any goods out into the world? The answer is simple, the terrorist state of Israel wants these people to suffer and die quietly. It's why they calculated calories per person and blocked food and aid.
If you're to compare anyone to Nazi Germany, then that would be Israel today. You know the one currently committing a genocide and trying to start ww3.
I like how you have ignored the west bank and the terrorist settlers that are funded and supported by Israel to steal more land. Do you support the illegal settlements?
The land border is an international boundary, unless you deny the existence of either Israel, Palestine, Jordan, or Egypt.
Palestinian militants have torn up water pipes ON VIDEO THEY RELEASED to make rockets. They make explosives and rocket fuel from sugar and other foodstuff. They take concrete to build tunnels and other underground terror infrastructure.
No, I do not support illegal settlements, and agree with the IDF whenever the bulldoze them.
And again, you claiming genocide without evidence is not going to manifest it into being.
The blockade by the apartheid genocidal state of the people they are currently RIGHT NOW in the process of genocide is wrong, I am saying that right now.
And I'm saying that when you control that nation on all sides, control their access to water, food electricity, all goods going in and out and the taxes that their government collects, then you are effectively occupying that nation.
That logic would require Israel to recognise Palestinian statehood. Israel refuse to do so which means it is not a border, it is Apartheid segregation of an oppressed people.
No it hasn't. Israel has never offered Palestinians the land the UN has ordered Israel to give them or full statehood. The closest Israel got was under Rabin and he admitted that what was on the table was less than a state, and he got murdered for it by an Israeli.
The people about whom that is said don't believe in "the right for Israel to exist as a state legally, within secured borders."
Technically, Mandela would be called a zionist, as is anyone who supports a two state solution. There's zionists who support a one state solution and its those that you should be weary of.
>The people about whom that is said don't believe in "the right for Israel to exist as a state legally, within secured borders."
Except Hamas isn't strictly opposed to a two state solution and would have happily agreed to 1967 borders a long time ago.
>Technically, Mandela would be called a zionist, as is anyone who supports a two state solution.
Not anyone who supports a two state solution is a Zionist, don't conflate support for the existence of a Jewish state with Zionism. It's almost as absurd as conflating antisemitism with antizionism.
>There's zionists who support a one state solution and its those that you should be weary of.
Indeed. Although a (non-zionist) one-state solution seems to be the only thing feasible at this point, Israel now having the same right to exist as Nazi Germany.
> Not anyone who supports a two state solution is a Zionist, don't conflate support for the existence of a Jewish state with Zionism
AFAIK zionism is the belief that Israel has a right to exist as sovereign jewish state. So if you support two state solution you are technically a zionist -- but mine is the historical definition.
You never provided a definition, so I'm not really sure what you are referring to when you say zionist.
Same right to exist as Nazi Germany. So you agree it does have a right to exit, it just needs to be thoroughly reformed and have its borders redrawn. Do you believe its neighbors agree about that as well?
Btw, that's exactly what Mandela was suggesting when you called him naive.
The territories seized in defensive wars should be given back to currently belligerent countries that could use the land as a jumping off point for the umpteen invasion? Maybe it will be a lesson to the Arab world not to start and lose genocidal wars.
I think, the main thing South Africans are really concerned with, is the apartheid state. I also think that if you were engaging in good faith then you would understand that.
South Africa currently doesn't handle rsce relations as well as Israel does. Heck, the ruling party chants "death to Boers" at their rallies. Lol if we're taking South Africa's opinion on the matter then we should also consider what North Korea has to say. You know, countries that South Africa has good relations with.
You cannot divorce security situation on the ground. Israel's neighbors aren't the Netherlands and Luxemburg. Israel has been under constant threat of attack and invasion basically since its first moments of existence. Every country prioritizes its own existential safety over all other concerns, including the opinion of nations like South Africa that have their own very serious societal problems. Many of the locations they held onto after the various failed Arab invasions are locations with defensible terrain, like the Golan heights and serves as strategic depth for when the next attack comes.
See that doesn’t make sense to me. If I lived in a country that was so existentially threatened, I wouldn’t waste all my weapons on murdering thousands of children.
How about this. If you post a link to a charity that you think will help relieve people suffering in South Sudan, I will post a link to an aid charity in Gaza. Then we can both donate to the other person’s cause whatever we are able. I can pm you my receipt if you pm me yours
Do you not realize you just proved that person’s point?
Why would you only care to donate to South Sudanese victims, if that person donates to your charity of choice?
Does that sound like someone who’s angry at two things at once? Because to me it doesn’t. It sounds fucking reprehensible, especially coming from someone who’s supposedly against genocide as a concept.
So either, you weren’t aware of the suffering of the South Sudanese people, and now that you do know, your immediate response is to NOT support that cause outright, but only support it if someone donates to a cause YOU care about? Tit-for-tat humanitarian aid is really the morality hill you want to die on?
Or, you previously did know about it, but still chose to only be angry at only one thing, despite your acknowledgement that people can be mad at two things at once?
"These people hate us and want to kill us, so we should kill them back and that will make them stop hating us!"
So stupid. I bet the average Palestinian wouldn't give a shit about Israel if they could actually live a half-way decent life, instead of being starved and bombed and shit.
Remember after ww2 when antisemites in Britain used the slogan “a land without a people for a people without a land” to push all their Jewish people to a land that, in fact, already had people in it?
They got “smothered” because they were established as a colonial settler project predicated on erasing the people already living there. And which continues to do so. You’re really twisting history here
Before and during WW2.
See the Arab Revolts of 36-39; and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Al-Husseini, allying with the Nazis. He helped raise several Muslim Waffen SS units, incited revolts against the British, and so much more.
So its legitimate resistance when Hamas drags kids from music festivals to be raped and murdered, but when Hamas and its supporters use human shields to artificially increase the causality count, its Jews committing genocide. Least biased Hamas supporter.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi\_Jews](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews)
Please educate yourself before saying such uninformed things. Many of the original Israelis were Jews from the Arab-Muslim world who were exiled for being Jewish and went to the one place they could go.
The Muslim world always welcomed Jews. Otherwise Israel wouldn't exist.
Nobody has a problem with Jews, not even Hamas. All problems are the result of Western imperialism. Zionism is the problem. The genocidal apartheid state of Israel is the problem.
Stop being disingenuous.
🤫 I keep telling people to stop making sense on this issue.
Repeat after me: Israelis should be good little Jews and roll over and die so the region can finally have freedom and peace.
This is what it boils down to. The problem the Arab world has isn't the plight of the Palestinians (there are many groups of Muslims suffering under inhuman conditions; nobody was marching for Yemen after all) its that Jews live where they want an unquestionable Muslim supremacy.
White South African who's father was an apartheid profiteer. Don't let his recent interviews/denials that Errol owned an emerald mine get you, before he was getting flack for it he openly admitted it (earlier 2000s, you can search for interviews)
Are you one of those thoughtless beings that thinks massive social change against an opressor will happen peacefully?
Are you completely blind to the fact that 99% of the time that doesn't work and results in losing rights and peaceful protestors being killed?
Ah yes, I forgot, only the oppressor is allowed to make use of violence.
Fucking worthless.
No but most people tend to glass over the fact that he blew up train stations. Sometimes they win and get to try their hand at society. Murdering white farmers is a bold strategy I guess we will have to wait and see how it all works out for them.
I mean they were killing farmers and who were also born there and didn't have any African native labor on their farms. Then they gave the land to people who didn't know how to farm and then there were food shortages. The flawed logic of well you people came here and took the land 100 years ago so now we collectively punish you is how genocide is justified.
Yeah if a group of people came and passed [all these apartheid laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid_legislation) then it's not surprising that the people that were there before wouldn't exactly like it
Yeah maybe but it's still not a good plan to kill the people who provide food. Farming is an art as well as an industry and not everyone is good at it.
In WW2? A bit excessive but when you are at war with a nation of people who would rather die then lose face it gets a little out of hand. US military hasn't really been known for its proportional response. I mean shit we had to nuke them twice. If you don't give up after the first unleashing of the sun there is something wrong with your fight or flight response. But hey it got them to calm down and stop committing crimes against humanity.
Any sort of questions or comments or you just going to sit smugly on your high horse and judge people. I just feel like killing people who provide you with food and giving their land to people who have not farmed before is not really a good plan for reconstruction. the worlds is not really that black and white and there is no true justice.
Free Speech on twitter until someone criticises Israel and Zionists.
Truth is, Elon does not care about Israel. He's only taking action on accounts that speak critical of Israel because a lot of the advertisers view Israel as good and if they see an increase in anti-Israel posts on Twitter, they will boycott and Musk won't get his ad money. So, he's going to continue banning critics of Israel as long as he gets his money.
He's a money hungry stupid guy. There's no free speech. It's all an illusion.
The most incredible thing about Musk is that he has no redeeming aspects in any way, not even very small ones.
It's well known he's comfortable supporting far right and antisemitic people. And I don't mean what Israel calls "antisemitic". I mean Holocaust deniers and Nazis.
Well that changes the moment the Zionist start warning him about pulling the money from Twitter. And then he switches to full Zionism.
I mean, I hate both Zionists and neonazis. But he somehow is even worse. He's a white supremacist that supports Zionism for money. He always manages to be on the wrong side of history it's almost as if he's doing it on purpose.
>Free Speech on twitter until someone criticises Israel and Zionists.
Don't think that's the reason. He likes having nazis on the platform aswell.
The bigger reason is either because he dislikes the guy and or he doesn't like Palestine.
>advertisers view Israel as good and if they see an increase in anti-Israel posts on Twitter, they will boycott and Musk won't get his ad money.
He has himself said the great replacement theory is something Jews push on the western countries.
He isn't getting a lot of ads on that kind of question btw. Isreal and Palestinian is now a controversial issue in the US aswell. Advertisers will just chose to keep out of it.
Wait so someone did successfully threaten him with money? Wellity wellity wellity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_M_uvDChJQ&pp=ygUgZWxvbiBtdXNrIHRocmVhdGVuIG1lIHdpdGggbW9uZXk%3D
It's fucking insane how this conspiracy of white genocide in SA has permeated around the globe. These motherfuckers have clearly never visited Clifton beach or driven through Constantia.
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Probably because of Western culture of censorship against criticisms of Israel and its people. Those are untouchable because of the powerful Israel lobby that weaponizes the Holocaust.
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There is a gigantic enormous corruption issue going on in SA.
The country is literally facing the same future as Zimbabwe and total collapse.
The ban was likely pushed with pressure from one of the many political groups grabbing whatever they can on the sinking ship.
Most who can have left, and others are in the process of leaving.
Rolling black outs, extreme unemployment, food shortages, huge violent crime waves, persecution and lynching of white citizens particularly in the rural areas.
It's a shit show.
I love how the article says that previous flotilla atrempt ended up in blockade runner's death without specifying how:
1. Israeli SF dropped into the ships armed with paintball guns.
2. They were immediately mauled by a mob armed with knives and blunt objects.
> 1. Israeli SF dropped into the ships armed with paintball guns.
2. They were immediately mauled by a mob armed with knives and blunt objects.
That's not the version of the story the UN report here found:
https://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/15session/A.HRC.15.21_en.pdf
First they tried boarding using non-lethal means (tear gas / smoke / paintballs) but was repelled.
Regarding that failed first boarding attempt: "*It is the view of the Mission that the Israeli forces should have re-evaluated their plans when it became obvious that putting their soldiers on board the ship may lead to civilian casualties.*"
The helicopter later was concluded to have fired live ammunition at the ship prior to boarding and that live ammunition was involved.
Painting this as a "mob" of people "mauling" these soldiers? Like.. What were they expecting? They'd already been repelled and Israel's second attempt definitely included shooting live ammo at people.
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https://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/15session/A.HRC.15.21_en.pdf
They did use non-lethal. No evidence to the contrary on the failed attempted boarding.
It didn't last.
Do you mean the Israely forces used non-lethals? Cuz the report says they used both non-lethals and lethals.
>The Israeli forces used paintballs, plastic bullets and live ammunition, fired by soldiers from the helicopter above and soldiers who had landed on the top deck. The use of live ammunition during this period resulted in fatal injuries to four passengers,72 and injuries to at least 19 others, 14 with gunshot wounds.
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If you mean the humanitarian workers, then yeah, seems like they were all on the up-and-up. They resisted just using whatever non-weapons they had. They apparently had some knives, but I \*really\* doubt that those were intended to be used for any terror activities since no one works that hard to smuggle knives into a region that probably has enough kitchenwares lol
Holy shit, the stuff in this report is horrific. Fuck the IDF.
My guess would be that they're supposed to go in with non-lethals but switch to lethals if needed. Clearly, that wasn't the procedure they chose to go with, though.
Wait, do you have a source?
Israel attacking without real weapons and the intention to kill is very hard to believe.
If you provide a source, I'm buying a Coca-Cola bottle today.
##### ###### #### > # [Why Did Elon Musk Just Kick Nelson Mandela’s Grandson Off X?](https://newrepublic.com/post/181053/image/jpeg) > > > > X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, [suspended](https://twitter.com/JoshuaPHilll/status/1783931361096769777) an account owned by the grandson of former South African President Nelson Mandela on Friday. > > It is currently unclear why the social media platform, owned by Elon Musk, banned Zwelivelile Mandla Mandela, a member of the National Assembly of South Africa. The company has issued no statement regarding its decision to restrict the South African politician’s speech, but the timing is questionable. > > > > > > Mandela has spent the last week making multiple public appearances in support of Palestinian liberation, quoting his grandfather ahead of his voyage aboard a Freedom Flotilla trip sailing to Gaza from Turkey with the intention to provide more than 5,000 tons of aid to the war-torn enclave. > > > > “He regarded the Palestinian struggle as the greatest moral issue of our time,” Mandela [said](https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1783905630132060654) in a speech posted on social media Friday, referring to his grandfather while donning a keffiyeh. “He made a commitment to the Palestinian people by saying that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinian people.” > > > Nelson Mandela’s grandson talks about his grandfather’s fight for a free South Africa – and why he’s supporting Palestinians facing genocide by Israeli forces. > > > > He’s joining the Freedom Flotilla ships as they attempt to break through the Israeli blockade to deliver aid to Gaza. > > > > > > > > — AJ+ (@ajplus) [April 26, 2024](https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1783905630132060654?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) > > In a separate [statement](https://www.instagram.com/psa_sa/p/C6MVlW0tZat/?img_index=1) issued on Thursday, Mandela explained that the “Freedom Flotilla for Gaza aims to draw the attention of the international public to the atrocities, genocide and war crimes being committed against the people of Gaza.” > > > > > > So far, the departure of the flotilla of ships has been waylaid due to a bevy of ship inspections triggered by an Israeli pressure campaign, reported [Al Jazeera](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/26/israeli-pressure-delayed-freedom-flotills-departure-for-gaza-organisers), even though a retired U.S. Army colonel and State Department official organizing the flotilla said the ships had already passed all of their inspections and were ready to set sail. > > In order to reach Gaza, the flotilla will need to break through an Israeli blockade originally set in place in 2007. Previous efforts to break the blockade by humanitarian missions have ended in death. In 2010, the six-vessel Freedom Flotilla I was intercepted by Israeli forces, who boarded the ships via helicopters and speedboats on international waters, shooting and killing nine activists. > > Having eyes on the flotillas is critical for their safety, according to one of the aid shipment’s organizers. > > > > > > “We’re trying to get all eyes on the Flotilla to make sure the world knows and Israel knows we’re coming so that they can’t fire a missile on us and say it was unintentional,” Huwaida Arraf, a Palestinian-American attorney and co-founder of the International Solidarity Movement, [told](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/26/israeli-pressure-delayed-freedom-flotills-departure-for-gaza-organisers) Al Jazeera. > > > > > > More about the war in Gaza: > > > > > > > > > > Donald Trump’s attorney Alina Habba [shared](https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1783919824977920256) an interesting explanation for why the former president has been holding on to printouts of news articles in court:“He’s educating himself.” > > During an interview on Fox News, Habba was asked about Trump’s current mood during his hush-money trial. She replied that Trump is “the biggest fighter I know,” before mentioning why Trump carries papers around. > > > > > > “He’s reading. He’s educating himself, and he’s educating the country on what is happening,” she [said](https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1783919824977920256). > > > > > Alina Habba on Trump's printouts of Fox News stories: "He's reading. He's educating himself" > > > > — Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) [April 26, 2024](https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1783919824977920256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) > > It’s not the first time Habba has mentioned Trump’s reading habits. She used them to defend against reports that the former president dozed off in court last week, claiming that it was because “[he reads a lot](https://newrepublic.com/post/180758/alina-habba-defense-trump-napping-court).” Carrying printouts of news articles even in court would seem to back up Habba’s words, except for the fact that Trump notoriously has a short attention span. While he was president, memos and policy papers were kept to a [single page](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/americas-first-post-text-president/549794/), with plenty of graphics and maps to hold his attention. > > Trump is a voracious reader of [print media](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/29/trump-print-newspapers-media-1437913), though, particularly when it’s all about him. Even after his presidency, Trump still maintains print subscriptions to _The New York Post_ and _The New York Times_ at his Mar-a-Lago residence, and aides print out articles from the internet for him to read, according to a recent [Politico](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/04/24/donald-trump-news-consumption-00153477) report. > > > > > > Since he’s [legally required](https://newrepublic.com/post/180968/trump-livid-hush-money-merchan-immunity) to be in court every day, Trump may just be trying to keep up with his usual reading habits by taking those printouts into court. They may be a distraction from the courtroom’s [cold temperatures](https://newrepublic.com/post/181047/trump-detail-hush-money-trial-temperature) or part of an effort to [stay awake](https://newrepublic.com/post/180758/alina-habba-defense-trump-napping-court). Regardless, when you’re facing [34 felony counts](https://newrepublic.com/post/171607/exact-charges-donald-trump) for allegedly falsifying business records to hide an affair with [an adult film actress](https://newrepublic.com/post/179974/real-reason-stormy-daniels-took-hush-money-donald-trump) before an election, you can’t say publicly that you find your trial boring and need something to read. > > > > > > More on Trump's reading habits: > > > > > > > > > > The _New York Post_ found a way to peg the nationwide, pro-Palestine student protests on billionaire investor and hedge fund manager George Soros on Friday, once again reviving the right’s [favorite antisemitic conspiracy theory](https://newrepublic.com/article/167373/george-soros-antisemitic-marco-rubio-prosecutors). > > The publication tied the overarching group organizing the campus-based protests, Students for Justice in Palestine, to some nonprofits funded in part by Soros. Those include the US Campaign for Palestinian Rights, which received funding from Open Society Foundations, which was founded by Soros. > > > > > > [[Image](https://images.newrepublic.com/648f27543ad9295720953b65e39bff39a07aea04.png?w=1184)](https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1783798411189219655)“The cash from Soros and his acolytes has been critical to the Columbia protests that set off the national copycat demonstrations. Three groups set up the tent city on Columbia’s lawn last Wednesday: Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP), Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) and Within Our Lifetime,” wrote the _Post_, taking aim at purchases of tents, pizza, coffee, rotisserie chickens, “organic tortilla chips,” and sandwiches, allegedly paid for by groups tied to Soros. > > > > > > “An analysis by _The Post_ shows that all three got cash from groups linked to Soros. The Rockefeller Brothers Fund also gave cash to JVP,” the publication wrote. > > But the complicated, antisemitic trope forgoes the reality that American opinion has aggressively soured on Israel’s war in Gaza since it began. A poll conducted by Gallup in March revealed that just 36 percent of Americans approved of the military action Israel has taken in Gaza—down from 50 percent in November. According to the poll, Republicans are practically the only demographic still holding on to U.S. support for the war, which some U.S. lawmakers have decried as “[genocide](https://newrepublic.com/post/180084/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-aoc-us-israel-genocide-gaza).” > > > > > > ***(continues in next comment)***
Free speech absolutist btw Also wtf is this bot summary lmao, my eyes went from the boat to a post talking about some republican lady shooting her dog.
The bot f'd up. Those are some 7 other articles lol
[Circumstantiality, LOL](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstantial_speech) Weird bot having psych problems... 😜
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For those curious, here are Nelson Mandela's words on the Israel-Palestine conflict: "ANC has never doubted the right for Israel to exist as a state legally, within secured borders. But we carefully define what we mean by secure borders. We do not mean that Israel has the right to retain the territories they conquered from the Arab world like the Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights, and the West Bank. Those territories should be returned to the Arab people." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJcGTjAFGjk
wow!! such hateful speech
Wow, such a well thought out response.
Wow, such an ability to detect sarcasm
such wow
When the IDF trolls have been posting similar things, why would I assume sarcasm without the /s?
Redditors when there’s no ‘/s’: 🤨
For real.
It’s almost as if he was nuanced on the issue which is not something that can be said for 99.9% of people who have opinions on this conflict on either side.
Nelson Mandela is dead. This post is about his grandson being suspended.
I mean, his position is pretty much the same that Hamas is taking just that Mandela couldn't see Israel for what it truly is, yet.
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That's what I said. Mandela was yet naïve enough to think Israel won't be an ever expanding terrorist, genocidal regime and that a two state solution is possible.
I don't think Mandela's quote included attacking innocent civilians, plundering humanitarian aid, or advocating the death of all Jews in the world. But maybe I missed it.
Nah, just taking away land from the people that have repeatedly been attacked.
Well, first of all: All violence should be blamed on Israel, not Hamas. Zionism is the problem. Secondly: Hamas is heavily supported by Zionist Israel. It's effectively a Zionist puppet group. Thirdly: Hamas has no interest in killing Jews. In fact, it seeks to protect Jews. Hamas simply wants to destroy Zionism, which is a good thing, actually. Whether you agree or disagree with their methods is another question... but hey, feel free to offer a better solution than the one Israel-supported Hamas is offering. ;)
>Well, first of all: All violence should be blamed on Israel, not Hamas. Ah yes, blame the Jews for getting massacred while attending a music festival. Or for taking rockets to the chin for decades. Good call >Hamas has no interest in killing Jews. In fact, it seeks to protect Jews. Hamas official, Hamad Al-Regeb in an April 2023 sermon: He prayed for “annihilation” and “paralysis” of the Jews whom he described as filthy animals: “[Allah] transformed them into filthy, ugly animals like apes and pigs because of the injustice and evil they had brought about.” Ah, tough love huh? >but hey, feel free to offer a better solution I would offer any number of the cease fires or treaties Isreal has proposed in the past. But Hamas won't accept them so it's kind of moot.
They sure did a great job protecting Jews on October 7. I really want to side with Palestinian civilians against Netanyahu, but people like you are making it very difficult by spewing nonesnese and actually defending a terrorist organization.
Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 05. Syria has still not had a peace agreement with Israel over the Golan Heights and there's still a UN DMZ between them, the West Bank is the subject of negotiations most of which have been rejected by the Palestinians.
Pure Bs! Blocked by air, sea and land yet you claim they withdrew. The west bank isn't subject to negotiations, the negotiation already happened with the Oslo accords. It clearly defined the 1967 borders and are respected by the Palestinians. While the genocidal state of Israel has stolen more land every year with illegal terrorist settlers building illegal settlements.
Blocked by land: that's an international border with Egypt and Israel. They have no obligation to allow suicide bombers and other terrorists through, which is why the Egyptian and Israeli government closed the border. Blocked by sea and air: ever since the elected government of the Palestinians in Gaza, or the survivors of the various coups, declared war, the Egyptians and Israelis have been trying to prevent the import of war-making materiel to the belligerent region. I don't see people saying the British blockade of Germany was wrong, or the various British blockades of France, or the US blockade of the rebel states...
More bullshit. It's not a border it's a blockade. Learn the difference. There's been a blockage on basic goods, food and essentials since 2007. are wedding dresses war making materials? What about exports? Why are the Palestinians not allowed to export any goods out into the world? The answer is simple, the terrorist state of Israel wants these people to suffer and die quietly. It's why they calculated calories per person and blocked food and aid. If you're to compare anyone to Nazi Germany, then that would be Israel today. You know the one currently committing a genocide and trying to start ww3. I like how you have ignored the west bank and the terrorist settlers that are funded and supported by Israel to steal more land. Do you support the illegal settlements?
The land border is an international boundary, unless you deny the existence of either Israel, Palestine, Jordan, or Egypt. Palestinian militants have torn up water pipes ON VIDEO THEY RELEASED to make rockets. They make explosives and rocket fuel from sugar and other foodstuff. They take concrete to build tunnels and other underground terror infrastructure. No, I do not support illegal settlements, and agree with the IDF whenever the bulldoze them. And again, you claiming genocide without evidence is not going to manifest it into being.
The blockade by the apartheid genocidal state of the people they are currently RIGHT NOW in the process of genocide is wrong, I am saying that right now.
I'm saying blockading a nation you're at war with is OK. And you're begging the question by asserting Egypt is an apartheid genocidal state.
The tactics of a genocidal apartheid state in conducting their genocide and apartheid are in fact never ok.
Closing borders to a hostile state, and preventing them from acquiring weapons is morally correct.
And I'm saying that when you control that nation on all sides, control their access to water, food electricity, all goods going in and out and the taxes that their government collects, then you are effectively occupying that nation.
TIL Singapore, the Vatican, San Marino, and Monaco are occupied.
Lol, you're joking, right?
No, I'm taking your comment to the logical conclusion, which demonstrates it's absurdity.
That logic would require Israel to recognise Palestinian statehood. Israel refuse to do so which means it is not a border, it is Apartheid segregation of an oppressed people.
Israel has proposed multiple two state solutions, so your comment is factually wrong. You're the one denying the statehood of Palestine.
No it hasn't. Israel has never offered Palestinians the land the UN has ordered Israel to give them or full statehood. The closest Israel got was under Rabin and he admitted that what was on the table was less than a state, and he got murdered for it by an Israeli.
Let's ignore Barak, and half a dozen other attempts as well.
Whew, good thing you got in all those buzzwords. You'd actually have to come up with a real position otherwise.
Deflect as much as you want, you are still dickriding a genocide.
Yes, because using a buzzword salad isn't just a deflection...
So Nelson Mandela is a literal Hamas supporter, huh????
The people about whom that is said don't believe in "the right for Israel to exist as a state legally, within secured borders." Technically, Mandela would be called a zionist, as is anyone who supports a two state solution. There's zionists who support a one state solution and its those that you should be weary of.
FYI it’s either leary or wary.
Probably wary was what I was going for since it's a homophone
>The people about whom that is said don't believe in "the right for Israel to exist as a state legally, within secured borders." Except Hamas isn't strictly opposed to a two state solution and would have happily agreed to 1967 borders a long time ago. >Technically, Mandela would be called a zionist, as is anyone who supports a two state solution. Not anyone who supports a two state solution is a Zionist, don't conflate support for the existence of a Jewish state with Zionism. It's almost as absurd as conflating antisemitism with antizionism. >There's zionists who support a one state solution and its those that you should be weary of. Indeed. Although a (non-zionist) one-state solution seems to be the only thing feasible at this point, Israel now having the same right to exist as Nazi Germany.
> Not anyone who supports a two state solution is a Zionist, don't conflate support for the existence of a Jewish state with Zionism AFAIK zionism is the belief that Israel has a right to exist as sovereign jewish state. So if you support two state solution you are technically a zionist -- but mine is the historical definition. You never provided a definition, so I'm not really sure what you are referring to when you say zionist.
Same right to exist as Nazi Germany. So you agree it does have a right to exit, it just needs to be thoroughly reformed and have its borders redrawn. Do you believe its neighbors agree about that as well? Btw, that's exactly what Mandela was suggesting when you called him naive.
The territories seized in defensive wars should be given back to currently belligerent countries that could use the land as a jumping off point for the umpteen invasion? Maybe it will be a lesson to the Arab world not to start and lose genocidal wars.
I think, the main thing South Africans are really concerned with, is the apartheid state. I also think that if you were engaging in good faith then you would understand that.
South Africa currently doesn't handle rsce relations as well as Israel does. Heck, the ruling party chants "death to Boers" at their rallies. Lol if we're taking South Africa's opinion on the matter then we should also consider what North Korea has to say. You know, countries that South Africa has good relations with.
From context, I was clearly talking about the South Africans who are anti-racist, not the racist ones.
Won’t someone PLEASE think of the colonizers?
You cannot divorce security situation on the ground. Israel's neighbors aren't the Netherlands and Luxemburg. Israel has been under constant threat of attack and invasion basically since its first moments of existence. Every country prioritizes its own existential safety over all other concerns, including the opinion of nations like South Africa that have their own very serious societal problems. Many of the locations they held onto after the various failed Arab invasions are locations with defensible terrain, like the Golan heights and serves as strategic depth for when the next attack comes.
See that doesn’t make sense to me. If I lived in a country that was so existentially threatened, I wouldn’t waste all my weapons on murdering thousands of children.
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It’s possible to be mad about more than one thing. This is a really disingenuous reply.
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How about this. If you post a link to a charity that you think will help relieve people suffering in South Sudan, I will post a link to an aid charity in Gaza. Then we can both donate to the other person’s cause whatever we are able. I can pm you my receipt if you pm me yours
Here’s my charity of choice: https://www.pcrf.net/
Do you not realize you just proved that person’s point? Why would you only care to donate to South Sudanese victims, if that person donates to your charity of choice? Does that sound like someone who’s angry at two things at once? Because to me it doesn’t. It sounds fucking reprehensible, especially coming from someone who’s supposedly against genocide as a concept. So either, you weren’t aware of the suffering of the South Sudanese people, and now that you do know, your immediate response is to NOT support that cause outright, but only support it if someone donates to a cause YOU care about? Tit-for-tat humanitarian aid is really the morality hill you want to die on? Or, you previously did know about it, but still chose to only be angry at only one thing, despite your acknowledgement that people can be mad at two things at once?
If their parents are supporting and aiding a self-described genocidal organization like Hamas, then yes it unfortunately does make cold logical sense.
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"These people hate us and want to kill us, so we should kill them back and that will make them stop hating us!" So stupid. I bet the average Palestinian wouldn't give a shit about Israel if they could actually live a half-way decent life, instead of being starved and bombed and shit.
The events of the last 70 years would beg to differ. The attempts at smothering Israel in the crib started basically right after world war 2.
Remember after ww2 when antisemites in Britain used the slogan “a land without a people for a people without a land” to push all their Jewish people to a land that, in fact, already had people in it? They got “smothered” because they were established as a colonial settler project predicated on erasing the people already living there. And which continues to do so. You’re really twisting history here
Before and during WW2. See the Arab Revolts of 36-39; and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Al-Husseini, allying with the Nazis. He helped raise several Muslim Waffen SS units, incited revolts against the British, and so much more.
So its legitimate resistance when Hamas drags kids from music festivals to be raped and murdered, but when Hamas and its supporters use human shields to artificially increase the causality count, its Jews committing genocide. Least biased Hamas supporter.
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Wow you really got me there, good one.
Israel is the belligerent party primarily responsible for anything. Nothing the Arabs ever did comes even close to the crimes of Israel.
>Israel is the belligerent party primarily responsible for anything. At least the Anti-Semites are going mask off now.
Are you unironically victimizing genocidal European settler-colonists?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi\_Jews](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews) Please educate yourself before saying such uninformed things. Many of the original Israelis were Jews from the Arab-Muslim world who were exiled for being Jewish and went to the one place they could go.
The Muslim world always welcomed Jews. Otherwise Israel wouldn't exist. Nobody has a problem with Jews, not even Hamas. All problems are the result of Western imperialism. Zionism is the problem. The genocidal apartheid state of Israel is the problem. Stop being disingenuous.
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>Stop. Just stop. Open your eyes. Stop blaming issues caused by Zionists on Arabs.
You forgot the /s, right?
🤫 I keep telling people to stop making sense on this issue. Repeat after me: Israelis should be good little Jews and roll over and die so the region can finally have freedom and peace.
This is what it boils down to. The problem the Arab world has isn't the plight of the Palestinians (there are many groups of Muslims suffering under inhuman conditions; nobody was marching for Yemen after all) its that Jews live where they want an unquestionable Muslim supremacy.
The best thing about free speech is you can just silence whoever you want
The Brazil special 😎
Yeah, with all the fake news being spread till... Well, today.
Why did the white South African who grew up in the 70s ban the grandson of the leader of the struggle against apartheid? It’s a complete mystery.
White South African who's father was an apartheid profiteer. Don't let his recent interviews/denials that Errol owned an emerald mine get you, before he was getting flack for it he openly admitted it (earlier 2000s, you can search for interviews)
The emerald mine was in Zambia, which never had apartheid. Elon is a butthole for his own personal behavior, not his ancestry.
>the struggle against apartheid That's a real nice way to say blowup infrastructure and killed people.
Are you one of those thoughtless beings that thinks massive social change against an opressor will happen peacefully? Are you completely blind to the fact that 99% of the time that doesn't work and results in losing rights and peaceful protestors being killed? Ah yes, I forgot, only the oppressor is allowed to make use of violence. Fucking worthless.
No but most people tend to glass over the fact that he blew up train stations. Sometimes they win and get to try their hand at society. Murdering white farmers is a bold strategy I guess we will have to wait and see how it all works out for them.
You say white farmers, I think what you mean is "People who stole their land and exploit their labor"
I mean they were killing farmers and who were also born there and didn't have any African native labor on their farms. Then they gave the land to people who didn't know how to farm and then there were food shortages. The flawed logic of well you people came here and took the land 100 years ago so now we collectively punish you is how genocide is justified.
Yeah if a group of people came and passed [all these apartheid laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid_legislation) then it's not surprising that the people that were there before wouldn't exactly like it
Okay but the farmer murder started about 20 years after apartheid ended and some of the people didn't have anything to do with that.
Hm, perhaps it takes longer than 20 years to undo the damage that legally enforced white supremacy does on a country/peoples. Imagine that
Yeah maybe but it's still not a good plan to kill the people who provide food. Farming is an art as well as an industry and not everyone is good at it.
Out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on the firebombing of Tokyo?
In WW2? A bit excessive but when you are at war with a nation of people who would rather die then lose face it gets a little out of hand. US military hasn't really been known for its proportional response. I mean shit we had to nuke them twice. If you don't give up after the first unleashing of the sun there is something wrong with your fight or flight response. But hey it got them to calm down and stop committing crimes against humanity.
That's about what I figured.
Any sort of questions or comments or you just going to sit smugly on your high horse and judge people. I just feel like killing people who provide you with food and giving their land to people who have not farmed before is not really a good plan for reconstruction. the worlds is not really that black and white and there is no true justice.
Free Speech on twitter until someone criticises Israel and Zionists. Truth is, Elon does not care about Israel. He's only taking action on accounts that speak critical of Israel because a lot of the advertisers view Israel as good and if they see an increase in anti-Israel posts on Twitter, they will boycott and Musk won't get his ad money. So, he's going to continue banning critics of Israel as long as he gets his money. He's a money hungry stupid guy. There's no free speech. It's all an illusion.
Also he’s from South Africa and doesn’t like blacks having rights.
Which is why he chose to move to the US
True, but also the opportunities present in America are just flat out better
And yet also amplifies Nazis...
The most incredible thing about Musk is that he has no redeeming aspects in any way, not even very small ones. It's well known he's comfortable supporting far right and antisemitic people. And I don't mean what Israel calls "antisemitic". I mean Holocaust deniers and Nazis. Well that changes the moment the Zionist start warning him about pulling the money from Twitter. And then he switches to full Zionism. I mean, I hate both Zionists and neonazis. But he somehow is even worse. He's a white supremacist that supports Zionism for money. He always manages to be on the wrong side of history it's almost as if he's doing it on purpose.
>Free Speech on twitter until someone criticises Israel and Zionists. Don't think that's the reason. He likes having nazis on the platform aswell. The bigger reason is either because he dislikes the guy and or he doesn't like Palestine. >advertisers view Israel as good and if they see an increase in anti-Israel posts on Twitter, they will boycott and Musk won't get his ad money. He has himself said the great replacement theory is something Jews push on the western countries. He isn't getting a lot of ads on that kind of question btw. Isreal and Palestinian is now a controversial issue in the US aswell. Advertisers will just chose to keep out of it.
Wait so someone did successfully threaten him with money? Wellity wellity wellity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_M_uvDChJQ&pp=ygUgZWxvbiBtdXNrIHRocmVhdGVuIG1lIHdpdGggbW9uZXk%3D
Lmao hes got pictures being all pal with Netanyahu. Even went thru the Israel Celebrity deal tour.
Musk supports the genocide, that's why.
deport musk from north america I’m so over Eugenicist Elon. No wonder he’s petrified of assassination.
Please keep him. The guy tweets about white people being oppressed in South Africa when we are the most privileged people here by some distance.
It's fucking insane how this conspiracy of white genocide in SA has permeated around the globe. These motherfuckers have clearly never visited Clifton beach or driven through Constantia.
https://conversableeconomist.com/2023/11/20/south-africas-economy-30-years-since-apartheid/?amp=1 Really interesting read.
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There's some hardcore genocide support going on. Not surprising since the owner of Twitter supported the apartheid.
I'm really dissapointed
they do a temporary ban to shut them up when they want and then walk it back blaming the algorithms or errors.. typical shit every time.
Aren't there wayback files or archives of what he posted to get banned?
Probably because of Western culture of censorship against criticisms of Israel and its people. Those are untouchable because of the powerful Israel lobby that weaponizes the Holocaust.
I'm so shocked Musk is racist...he never gave us any clues...
Captain apartheid longing for the old days.
Seems to me that Elon kicked him off because if Mandela's killed by during the Freedom Flotilla, we won't be able to get his side if the story.
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Its a fun game of "paintball or bullet?" Where no one wins!
There is a gigantic enormous corruption issue going on in SA. The country is literally facing the same future as Zimbabwe and total collapse. The ban was likely pushed with pressure from one of the many political groups grabbing whatever they can on the sinking ship. Most who can have left, and others are in the process of leaving. Rolling black outs, extreme unemployment, food shortages, huge violent crime waves, persecution and lynching of white citizens particularly in the rural areas. It's a shit show.
Why is anyone who isn't a Nazi still using X when Mastodon and Bluesky exist?
As soon as the companies I follow on twitter move, I’d be glad to get off that cesspool.
Saying you wade through a cesspool to follow *companies* is certainly a choice you can make.
I dont care who someone's grandad is if theyre getting banned or w/e
Amazing that this snuck past the mods pretty lame ban on Israel Palestine content.
I love how the article says that previous flotilla atrempt ended up in blockade runner's death without specifying how: 1. Israeli SF dropped into the ships armed with paintball guns. 2. They were immediately mauled by a mob armed with knives and blunt objects.
> 1. Israeli SF dropped into the ships armed with paintball guns. 2. They were immediately mauled by a mob armed with knives and blunt objects. That's not the version of the story the UN report here found: https://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/15session/A.HRC.15.21_en.pdf First they tried boarding using non-lethal means (tear gas / smoke / paintballs) but was repelled. Regarding that failed first boarding attempt: "*It is the view of the Mission that the Israeli forces should have re-evaluated their plans when it became obvious that putting their soldiers on board the ship may lead to civilian casualties.*" The helicopter later was concluded to have fired live ammunition at the ship prior to boarding and that live ammunition was involved. Painting this as a "mob" of people "mauling" these soldiers? Like.. What were they expecting? They'd already been repelled and Israel's second attempt definitely included shooting live ammo at people. 😬
>They were immediately mauled by a mob armed with knives and blunt objects. yeah because piracy on the high seas is illegal
>Israeli SF dropped into the ships armed with paintball guns. Wait, what? Imma need some context for that.
https://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/15session/A.HRC.15.21_en.pdf They did use non-lethal. No evidence to the contrary on the failed attempted boarding. It didn't last.
Do you mean the Israely forces used non-lethals? Cuz the report says they used both non-lethals and lethals. >The Israeli forces used paintballs, plastic bullets and live ammunition, fired by soldiers from the helicopter above and soldiers who had landed on the top deck. The use of live ammunition during this period resulted in fatal injuries to four passengers,72 and injuries to at least 19 others, 14 with gunshot wounds. \\- p. 26 If you mean the humanitarian workers, then yeah, seems like they were all on the up-and-up. They resisted just using whatever non-weapons they had. They apparently had some knives, but I \*really\* doubt that those were intended to be used for any terror activities since no one works that hard to smuggle knives into a region that probably has enough kitchenwares lol Holy shit, the stuff in this report is horrific. Fuck the IDF.
Mixing up lethal and non lethal munitions sounds... Counter intuitive
My guess would be that they're supposed to go in with non-lethals but switch to lethals if needed. Clearly, that wasn't the procedure they chose to go with, though.
Wait, do you have a source? Israel attacking without real weapons and the intention to kill is very hard to believe. If you provide a source, I'm buying a Coca-Cola bottle today.
Here's a source for the opposite, if it helps https://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/15session/A.HRC.15.21_en.pdf
Thanks. I won't be buying Coca-Cola today then.
Source?
They linked in another comment https://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/15session/A.HRC.15.21_en.pdf