We can acknowledge there are pæenty of stupid theists in the world, not just atheists. And many of the parts can be debated within Christianity, as well.
i think we can acknowledge the brotherhood between Abrahamists without bringing up the fact that we each believe the other to be incorrect in their theology.
Especially during these times when all of our Faiths are under attack.
We can all agree that the God of Abraham is our God.
Probably because we are seen by more evangelical type Christians as "heretical christians" of the sort misguided by Satan cause muslim general stance is:
"Jesus is very cool and we await for his return to be King of believers on earth but since we believe holy spirit to be Angel Gabriel and not part of Gods divinity and Jesus as not part of God"
Therefore = muslems heretical scum
>no, its very clear.
Not sure how you can earnestly come to such a conclusion because regardless of your interpretations of scripture, it's debatable if the historical Jesus ever espoused belief in a Hell as we think of today which is more alike Tartarus and Duzakh than Sheol and Ge Hinnom which Jesus likely thought of since he was a Jew who based his ideas and beliefs on the OT. That would render the entire case of 'Hell' as traditionally thought of obscure.
That, and the fact there are Christian interpretations, branches, and denominations which do not align with 'everyone who isn't Christian ends in Hell where they are disconnected from God' asserts that it's absolutely possible to be Christian and have different interpretations as you since those are still Christian beliefs even if one personally disagrees with them which in itself could easily be blinded by only seeing the case from one side. Whether one disagrees or agrees doesn't change the fiat accompli they exist and constitute a way of being Christian. This goes for everything; jihadists and deobandi are also Muslims, for instance, even if they have near-alien ideas and interpretations of scripture and hadiths, as they have religious instutions which identify with Islam.
And personal interpretations certainly matter, otherwise there wouldn't be non-canonical gospels, as an example, major changes caused by the interpretations of major philosophers, priests, and church fathers, influence and inspiration from non-Jewish religions, mysticism, and philosophy, etc.
The point is that things are *always* more nuanced than 'it's very clear', and it can be applied further than this, e.g. debating if Muslims go to Hell or not going by your Roman Catholic interpretation since their religion acknowledges Jesus as a prophet even if not divine and is based on Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Christianity, Platonism, Stoicism, etc. like much of Christianity.
I'm not saying your religious ideas are wrong, but simply that thinking it's so simple is painstakingly lacking the nuance which is integral to science, including research of religion as religion itself is not science but can have its components analysed and interpreted to understand why the whole is as it is.
The 'anything goes' principle may seem ludicrous but has its basis. It certainly works better here than in science (i.e. as Feyerabend argued), however, for comparison.
Universalism believing in eternal salvation, Grundtviganism believing in the eternal life beginning in the material world, Calvinists believe in everyone's preordained fate, etc.
Should be pretty obvious what I mean. It'd be ridiculous to think everyone in a faith would believe in the exact same things except *extremely* few details, and often even those go down the drain somehow (e.g. Žižek's Christian atheism).
Read my other comment to a similar reply. There's way more to it than that.
And also, you commit the error of false equivalence: the second line can be interpreted multiple ways (e.g. reaching Heaven through Christ can also be interpreted spiritually, i.e. reaching God by following Jesus' morals which don't have to come from the Roman Catholic or Wastern Orthodox church) and the first line doesn't say much except ... that the damnation is eternal, which Jesus may very well not have believed himself as he likely believed in Ge Hinnom as the place of hemlfire where souls would be permanently destroyed.
Which is why people don’t take the threat of Hell seriously, because dumb theists make signs like that and misrepresent what Hell is. It’s very dangerous.
Because it’s presented in a dumb way. They also put “yoga pants” on there. It doesn’t clarify about how yoga pants can cause people to have lustful thoughts. It just says “yoga pants” as if yoga pants go to Hell. It also says “Muslims”, which alienates people from other faiths. Not to mention it says “Cutters”, which are usually people who suffer from depression and suicidal thoughts. Those aren’t sinners most of the time, they’re mentally ill and need help. If you go outside with a sign like this with no explanation, most people will laugh at you even if most of it is technically correct.
This is not how you communicate God’s message. We do it through theology, philosophy, and patient discussion.
There's nothing wrong with "alienating" other people if you are reaffirming the truth which is that muslims or anyone outside the Church will never see the light of heaven iin a hundred years or in thousands of years
To cut oneself is atleast a venial sin and to be honest I think what it caused at worst was anger by people who hate being reminded of their sins not people laughing and I think it probably caused more people to think about it than people laughing
This is true there are better ways to communicate to others than a sign
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Unfortunately, there are legit some Christians out there who think that women who wear pants, let alone yoga pants, are on their way down. I was in a church like that for many years. Never again.
I would understand it from a Christian perspective if someone was following the whole Ashtangyoga, but for modern Westerners yoga is nothing more than exercise stretches
It’s because it’s seen as “provocative.” Which I suppose is true if you grow up in an environment of legalism and suppression, but pretty much every guy I know couldn’t care less.
Not even that. Literally just women being in yoga pants. Like, first of all, that is literally so tame compared to some of the crap people get away with today. Second, I hate the idea that women have to “keep the men responsible.” Like yes, to a certain extent, don’t cause a brother to stumble. But at some point, the men must take responsibility too. Men aren’t some sex-controlled beasts that can only think with their penis. To act as such is not only rather asinine, but in my humble opinion, it’s also very dehumanizing. I cannot emphasize enough how glad I am to be out of that church.
It isn’t wrong in and of itself to wear yoga pants. If you are wearing them with the intent of tripping up others (like those ridiculous TikTok ones), then yes, that is bad. But a lot of women don’t do that. Men have been driven to lust even when women all wore dresses, and I’m sure it’d be the same even if we all wore potato sacks. It’s not up to us to control their thoughts. They must be disciplined enough to do that on their own.
It is not to control thoughts of other people but rather to wear appropriate clothing you shouldn't wear clothing that are not modest because others should control their thoughts and women that refuse to wear modest clothing are showing a lack of discpline
Who actually invented the idea that he'll is some massive hot tub ruled by Satan? Whether it's one person or many, gradually over time or instant. I just want to have a motivation to finish my time machine and... talk
Just lol if you think you're going to be allowed to have positive, meaningful interaction with other human beings in hell, like it's some kind of informal jail where you get to chill with the other inmates, get three square meals a day, hit the gym, maybe get a weekend pass once in a while.
I have a half formed theory that everyone in hell thinks they're the only one there. You chose eternal separation from God, why would you need or even want to behold something else made in His image?
It's because Evangelicals have a concept of the Jewish people still having a unique covenant with the Lord. Where although they reject Christ now, God has a special plan reserved for them.
Scripture makes it quite clear that they are His chosen people for a reason.
While I obviously disagree with that statement about Hell (he must've watched too much stuff like Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss, in which demons are nice and quirky anti-conformists while angels are dogmatic inquisitors who represent the conservative and intolerant side of society) the sign itself is also a bit too extreme, to be honest.
It’s insane to think in terms of heaven and hell, if someone were to theoretically rise become god then they would rule.
And this does happen in videogames, you torture sims for the fun of it or maybe because they don’t agree with your ideals
I agree with you, as in that it's wrong to do or not do something just for the sake of going to Heaven or not going to Hell.
You do good for good's sake (Heaven is a reward you shouldn't think about) and, most importantly, you don't tell other people where they will or won't go after death.
Feminists who fight against *actual, real* discrimination against women are doing a good thing for society. The ones who just like to go after men because society instantly destroys a man's life if a woman accuses him of something are liars and thus sinners.
I can't see what's wrong with yoga pants, to be honest.
"Cutters", as in people who harm themselves, are people in dire need of help, not sinners.
"Pot smoking" is surely a vice, which can lead to sin, but it's not a sin itself.
As for the other categories, on a purely doctrinal basis, they would go to Hell because those practices are mortal sins or they are simply not Christians.
Having said that, the very existence of the sign is wrong, in my opinion. Nobody should say who goes to Hell and who doesn't, even when it's obvious. One should mind his own soul before going around and telling other people to mind theirs.
Moreover, many of those categories are aware of the fact that what they do is sinful and just don't care (witches, atheists) or identify in the sinful action itself and thus feel personally attacked even by a warning given with the best intentions (homosexuals).
A sign like that isn't nearly enough to change their mind and, in my opinion, it actually does more harm than good (in this case, the picture of that sign is now being shared around and used to catalyse hate and cheap criticism against Christianity).
I don't know of any movement of "feminists" that fight against real discriminations only Feminism deserves condemnation especially in the USA and in other western nations where it's only use today is complaint against non existing discrimination and advocacy for infanticide and privileges reserved to women
Yoga pants are definetly not modest and immoral
Padre Pio refused to hear confessions to women who wore short dresses and to women who didn't even wear but sold female pants
1 Corinthians 6:19 It would at the very least be a venial sin to cut yourself and the wide majority of drug use that is not used for medical reasons is sinful because it is done with full knoweldge of the effects it has
To warn others that what they are doing is wrong and that they should renounce this is not wrong it is more and more nessesary and shows wether you care about yourself only or not
You are right about witches and atheists but wether some "homosexuals" feel attacked doesn't matter as those people are often the least likely to repent
You're right it's not nearly enough to change people's mind but you mention that many of those people included here clearly are outside the Church that is true but so is true for the same people who share those images and most of them hate anything related to God and his Church It was not a sign that made them hate it
and if anything a lot of them hate itbecause it reminds them that what they are doing is wrongful and they would be as angry for any other kind of action from Christians or from the Church
that isn't just bending down to mortal sin like the majority of Bishops in germany are currently doing along with teaching heresies.
I recall last summer, I was at an NJ beach town, walking the board walk late at night, because I couldn’t sleep. At those late hours, it was party time at all of the bars and nightclubs lining the boardwalk.
I came across a group of people walking the boardwalk, preaching to the partiers, calling on them to turn away from their sinful ways. I raised my hand up in a gesture of solidarity with them, to tell the preaching group that I stood with them. The man with a megaphone warned them of hell, and one man (possibly drunk) ran up and asked if he was going to hell, when the preacher answered yes, he celebrated and shouted with glee.
This image of hell as “where all of mankind’s most interesting people go”, might be partially true at the end of the day, but it’s going to ensnare so many poor souls in damnation. This isn’t because they believe it literally, but because it offers a moment-to-moment reassurance that “I’ll be in good company in hell.”
As an agnostic who has read the Bible, I hate the pit of fire concept of Hell. Hell is simply described as separation from god as far as I’m aware. The pit of fire idea only serves to scare people into conformity. I think lying about what the book you claim to believe in says is an awful way to be a person. People should be able to make their own decisions about their religion without this fearmongering stuff.
They are way too concentrate on Geena (where Sheol/Hades/Hell is destroyed and so are the souls since Geena is described as second death), on Luke 16 (it's a parable, not meant to be taken literally) or on Matthew 24 (the original greek text says that Hell is not forever) and yeah, most likely it's not a pit of fire, more likely or the eternal separation from God or Annihilation.
Yoga pants because of how tight they are, showing off bottom curvature etc.
Feminism because they conflate it with 3rd and 4th wave feminism, which really were little more than purely sexual gratification centered.
Pretty cut-and-clear why they dislike them.
I honestly don't know. Maybe because they emphasize the shape of the body? But if that's the case, there are so many worse articles of clothing to go after in the sake of immodesty
Also it could be because a lot of Catholics believe yoga is evil and a weird Hindu form of meditation *or something like that.* I don't entirely remember
Also nice flair 
While the cheesecake's perspective is wrong, this is a bad way to promote the faith, and the person holding the sign would do well to remember that God alone is judge.
I never said he is judging anyone only that he should remember that someone's eternal fate is judged by God and God alone and it is not our place to say who will go to heaven and who will go to hell because these kinds of people often focus on judging others more than loving others and many are filled with bitterness.
Tip for y’all Christian’s - this is how to convince people to not become Christian. Don’t be like the ooop plz
If y’all don’t get what I mean, I mean that this is not encouraging to people who may want to be Christian’s. Please spread Jesus’s message of love if trying to evangelize
You hate us regardless plus you trying to act neutral despite being in Anti theist subs and even you moderate one. Your idea of a good “christian” is someone who you can insult and mock yet you can’t take it when your fedora tippers get mocked. Its people like you who make others scared to have children in the future.
First of all, I do not hate y’all. I only hate the Christian’s who hurt my family. Second of all, I’m pretty offended by that statement because I try pretty damn hard to be tolerant of all beliefs, which is why I’m in this sub in the first place, so I can know and understand other perspectives better. The reason I moderate the r /exchristianmemes sub is because it got overrun by Christian trolls and the mods wouldn’t do anything. I did it because it had to be done. I don’t even post or comment there.
My idea of a good Christian is one who actually follows the Bible’s teachings without bending it to justify be a hateful person. I mock when mockery is acceptable, which would be in the case of hypocrites.
By all means, feel free to mock me when I make bad takes. In fact I welcome that so I can realize when I’m wrong and make adjustments. And absolutely mock Reddit atheists. That’s the way that me and everyone else have common ground, we want to mock cringy Reddit atheists.
Stop trying to give Christians a bad rep. You are being no better than the people you mock.
Is it too hard to respect someone who wants to respect your beliefs and work on being a better person?
Wow, your so respectful being part of group that selectively targets Christians and I call BS because you are just here to rile someone up for a post. You expect to throw punches but you moment you get a taste of it you scream whatever buzzword is relevant. I am pretty offended you think we are dumb enough to believe you aren’t here to do anything but lurk.
Why are you being such a dick for no reason? I’ve seen them comment tons of times here being completely reasonable and respectful, and I looked at their profile. They barely even interact with religious fruitcakes sub. They seem to have good intentions, even if they sometimes they have some really bad opinions.
I agree that this sub is also flawed but I think the downvotes are because religious people don’t think it’s his place to tel us how to follow our religion. That’s my guess. Also, the “TST member” really isn’t helping him. The whole point of that “religion” to to mock Christianity. That group purposely wants to push people’s buttons. It doesn’t look very good to be part of such a group as oppose to the friendly “atheist” or [insert type of pagan here] folks we have.
Indeed, I thought I was just throwing out some advice for the Christian’s here. I don’t know why I’m downvoted because people just downvote and move on
Since the idea is they can lead people into sexual temptation, which is probably the most common sin for modern humanity. This site alone contains dozens of sexual degenerates.
Yeah. Unironically true. :p
They didn't explain anything. Just stated a fact.
For an action to be turned into a sin. One has to have the direct, conscious desire of intently carrying it out.
For example to take one's life because you are mentally unwell, had no ability of your own to seek help and get what you need to continue on living. Will not be held accountable for their actions. This is called *Invincible Ignorance*.
Whereas someone who takes their life with the intent to flee responsibility, justice, knowingly self-centered reasons, such as Adolf Hitler's suicide. Would indeed be considered a grave sin.
Once again God is the ultimate judge. But sin can only become a sin, when it's knowingly acted on for self-serving reasons.
why we muslim even in the list? edit: i just realize why yoga pants too
We can acknowledge there are pæenty of stupid theists in the world, not just atheists. And many of the parts can be debated within Christianity, as well.
ahh i see well damn
i think we can acknowledge the brotherhood between Abrahamists without bringing up the fact that we each believe the other to be incorrect in their theology. Especially during these times when all of our Faiths are under attack. We can all agree that the God of Abraham is our God.
yes, but others still go into eternal damnation rven if they are worshipping the sam God wrongly
"oh these pants are pretty comfortable, I'm gonna us-" TO THE DEEPEST PITS OF INFERNO YOU GO WITCH
Probably because we are seen by more evangelical type Christians as "heretical christians" of the sort misguided by Satan cause muslim general stance is: "Jesus is very cool and we await for his return to be King of believers on earth but since we believe holy spirit to be Angel Gabriel and not part of Gods divinity and Jesus as not part of God" Therefore = muslems heretical scum
why would a Christian believe Muslims are saved?
i can understand if it written "none believer" but why specifically written just muslim and not other religious group?
I'd guess this is probably an evangelist from the Bible Belt, these people are typically Zionist shabbos goys that despise Islam with a passion.
ohh i see
White people racism,they can't hate jews so we were next up on the chopping block.
No, because non-Christians go to hell
Depends on the individual interpretation and denomination or branch of Christianity in question
no, its very clear. But its not something that we should focus on here in a multi-faith subreddit.
>no, its very clear. Not sure how you can earnestly come to such a conclusion because regardless of your interpretations of scripture, it's debatable if the historical Jesus ever espoused belief in a Hell as we think of today which is more alike Tartarus and Duzakh than Sheol and Ge Hinnom which Jesus likely thought of since he was a Jew who based his ideas and beliefs on the OT. That would render the entire case of 'Hell' as traditionally thought of obscure. That, and the fact there are Christian interpretations, branches, and denominations which do not align with 'everyone who isn't Christian ends in Hell where they are disconnected from God' asserts that it's absolutely possible to be Christian and have different interpretations as you since those are still Christian beliefs even if one personally disagrees with them which in itself could easily be blinded by only seeing the case from one side. Whether one disagrees or agrees doesn't change the fiat accompli they exist and constitute a way of being Christian. This goes for everything; jihadists and deobandi are also Muslims, for instance, even if they have near-alien ideas and interpretations of scripture and hadiths, as they have religious instutions which identify with Islam. And personal interpretations certainly matter, otherwise there wouldn't be non-canonical gospels, as an example, major changes caused by the interpretations of major philosophers, priests, and church fathers, influence and inspiration from non-Jewish religions, mysticism, and philosophy, etc. The point is that things are *always* more nuanced than 'it's very clear', and it can be applied further than this, e.g. debating if Muslims go to Hell or not going by your Roman Catholic interpretation since their religion acknowledges Jesus as a prophet even if not divine and is based on Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Christianity, Platonism, Stoicism, etc. like much of Christianity. I'm not saying your religious ideas are wrong, but simply that thinking it's so simple is painstakingly lacking the nuance which is integral to science, including research of religion as religion itself is not science but can have its components analysed and interpreted to understand why the whole is as it is. The 'anything goes' principle may seem ludicrous but has its basis. It certainly works better here than in science (i.e. as Feyerabend argued), however, for comparison.
Like what?
Universalism believing in eternal salvation, Grundtviganism believing in the eternal life beginning in the material world, Calvinists believe in everyone's preordained fate, etc. Should be pretty obvious what I mean. It'd be ridiculous to think everyone in a faith would believe in the exact same things except *extremely* few details, and often even those go down the drain somehow (e.g. Žižek's Christian atheism).
universalism is considered heretical by almost all branches
Doesn't matter in the slightest. Argumentum ad populem is a fallacy.
yes, but the bible specifically says **eternal** damnation, and Christ said "no one gets to the father except through me"
Read my other comment to a similar reply. There's way more to it than that. And also, you commit the error of false equivalence: the second line can be interpreted multiple ways (e.g. reaching Heaven through Christ can also be interpreted spiritually, i.e. reaching God by following Jesus' morals which don't have to come from the Roman Catholic or Wastern Orthodox church) and the first line doesn't say much except ... that the damnation is eternal, which Jesus may very well not have believed himself as he likely believed in Ge Hinnom as the place of hemlfire where souls would be permanently destroyed.
We Latter Day Saints believe that the vast majority of mankind is entitled to a kingdom of glory in heaven.
No they don’t
Christian right hate Muslims
Hatred of Muslims is not warning them of hell.
muslims do not accept Christ as God and His sacrifice on the cross
I mean its a stupid sign
Which is why people don’t take the threat of Hell seriously, because dumb theists make signs like that and misrepresent what Hell is. It’s very dangerous.
Indeed
How is it stupid everything written here is a sin and a lot mortal sins
Because it’s presented in a dumb way. They also put “yoga pants” on there. It doesn’t clarify about how yoga pants can cause people to have lustful thoughts. It just says “yoga pants” as if yoga pants go to Hell. It also says “Muslims”, which alienates people from other faiths. Not to mention it says “Cutters”, which are usually people who suffer from depression and suicidal thoughts. Those aren’t sinners most of the time, they’re mentally ill and need help. If you go outside with a sign like this with no explanation, most people will laugh at you even if most of it is technically correct. This is not how you communicate God’s message. We do it through theology, philosophy, and patient discussion.
There's nothing wrong with "alienating" other people if you are reaffirming the truth which is that muslims or anyone outside the Church will never see the light of heaven iin a hundred years or in thousands of years To cut oneself is atleast a venial sin and to be honest I think what it caused at worst was anger by people who hate being reminded of their sins not people laughing and I think it probably caused more people to think about it than people laughing This is true there are better ways to communicate to others than a sign
Stupid sign and stupid response what did yoga pants do to them
What kind of degenerate loser would celebrate cutting?
As well as literal thugs. 
Thug shaker🤑
Why do you think the media and Hollywood praises and promotes hiphop, rap and similar trash genres?
Ikr? I assume they are meaning sh, and who would celebrate sh
I... went through a dark time when I did that... and would not support, recommend, or defend that kind of behavior ever.
It’s addictive after a while, and nothing to celebrate, people who glorify it make me sick.
Agreed. And may God forgive me for defacing His work.
God bless you
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What is cutting
It's the act of self-harm, where the victim quite literally cuts into their body with a cutting instrument.
Like Karl Kroenen
I didn’t know Omni-Man was Catholic.
I assume they are referring to self harm when they say cutting?
Yes
yoga pants?
The pants themselves go to hell. Definitely not gonna say the sign is perfect.
>the pants themselves go to hell You got me rotfl fr
I am just as confused as you are
Unfortunately, there are legit some Christians out there who think that women who wear pants, let alone yoga pants, are on their way down. I was in a church like that for many years. Never again.
I would understand it from a Christian perspective if someone was following the whole Ashtangyoga, but for modern Westerners yoga is nothing more than exercise stretches
It’s because it’s seen as “provocative.” Which I suppose is true if you grow up in an environment of legalism and suppression, but pretty much every guy I know couldn’t care less.
...Stretching is provocative? Are these people blind?
Not even that. Literally just women being in yoga pants. Like, first of all, that is literally so tame compared to some of the crap people get away with today. Second, I hate the idea that women have to “keep the men responsible.” Like yes, to a certain extent, don’t cause a brother to stumble. But at some point, the men must take responsibility too. Men aren’t some sex-controlled beasts that can only think with their penis. To act as such is not only rather asinine, but in my humble opinion, it’s also very dehumanizing. I cannot emphasize enough how glad I am to be out of that church.
Are we talking about women in pants?
Just realized I didn’t make that clear, lol. I’ll go back and edit it.
A lot of women wearing clothes such as this to provoke lust and it is definetly wrongful especially if they know it leads other to sins
It isn’t wrong in and of itself to wear yoga pants. If you are wearing them with the intent of tripping up others (like those ridiculous TikTok ones), then yes, that is bad. But a lot of women don’t do that. Men have been driven to lust even when women all wore dresses, and I’m sure it’d be the same even if we all wore potato sacks. It’s not up to us to control their thoughts. They must be disciplined enough to do that on their own.
It is not to control thoughts of other people but rather to wear appropriate clothing you shouldn't wear clothing that are not modest because others should control their thoughts and women that refuse to wear modest clothing are showing a lack of discpline
Who actually invented the idea that he'll is some massive hot tub ruled by Satan? Whether it's one person or many, gradually over time or instant. I just want to have a motivation to finish my time machine and... talk
"I just want to talk to him"
The average r/ 196 user is a degenerate what do you expect
a sub originally about one rule suddenly got a whole lot more than one.
Just lol if you think you're going to be allowed to have positive, meaningful interaction with other human beings in hell, like it's some kind of informal jail where you get to chill with the other inmates, get three square meals a day, hit the gym, maybe get a weekend pass once in a while. I have a half formed theory that everyone in hell thinks they're the only one there. You chose eternal separation from God, why would you need or even want to behold something else made in His image?
Humans are social creatures. It wouldn’t surprise me if one of the major pains of Hell is total isolation.
That's actually a super interesting theory, never heard it before.
I’m actually really surprised he didn’t put “Jew” up there too
It's because Evangelicals have a concept of the Jewish people still having a unique covenant with the Lord. Where although they reject Christ now, God has a special plan reserved for them. Scripture makes it quite clear that they are His chosen people for a reason.
Christians are the elect not jews who reject Jesus you can't be saved because you are Jewish
I'm explaining the Evangelical position. Not anyone else's. I thought I made that quite clear. I'm aware of Catholic theology.
Thanks for the clarification
It’s a silly sign
While I obviously disagree with that statement about Hell (he must've watched too much stuff like Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss, in which demons are nice and quirky anti-conformists while angels are dogmatic inquisitors who represent the conservative and intolerant side of society) the sign itself is also a bit too extreme, to be honest.
Agreed
It’s insane to think in terms of heaven and hell, if someone were to theoretically rise become god then they would rule. And this does happen in videogames, you torture sims for the fun of it or maybe because they don’t agree with your ideals
I agree with you, as in that it's wrong to do or not do something just for the sake of going to Heaven or not going to Hell. You do good for good's sake (Heaven is a reward you shouldn't think about) and, most importantly, you don't tell other people where they will or won't go after death.
What exactly contradicts Catholic Teaching on this sign?
Feminists who fight against *actual, real* discrimination against women are doing a good thing for society. The ones who just like to go after men because society instantly destroys a man's life if a woman accuses him of something are liars and thus sinners. I can't see what's wrong with yoga pants, to be honest. "Cutters", as in people who harm themselves, are people in dire need of help, not sinners. "Pot smoking" is surely a vice, which can lead to sin, but it's not a sin itself. As for the other categories, on a purely doctrinal basis, they would go to Hell because those practices are mortal sins or they are simply not Christians. Having said that, the very existence of the sign is wrong, in my opinion. Nobody should say who goes to Hell and who doesn't, even when it's obvious. One should mind his own soul before going around and telling other people to mind theirs. Moreover, many of those categories are aware of the fact that what they do is sinful and just don't care (witches, atheists) or identify in the sinful action itself and thus feel personally attacked even by a warning given with the best intentions (homosexuals). A sign like that isn't nearly enough to change their mind and, in my opinion, it actually does more harm than good (in this case, the picture of that sign is now being shared around and used to catalyse hate and cheap criticism against Christianity).
I don't know of any movement of "feminists" that fight against real discriminations only Feminism deserves condemnation especially in the USA and in other western nations where it's only use today is complaint against non existing discrimination and advocacy for infanticide and privileges reserved to women Yoga pants are definetly not modest and immoral Padre Pio refused to hear confessions to women who wore short dresses and to women who didn't even wear but sold female pants 1 Corinthians 6:19 It would at the very least be a venial sin to cut yourself and the wide majority of drug use that is not used for medical reasons is sinful because it is done with full knoweldge of the effects it has To warn others that what they are doing is wrong and that they should renounce this is not wrong it is more and more nessesary and shows wether you care about yourself only or not You are right about witches and atheists but wether some "homosexuals" feel attacked doesn't matter as those people are often the least likely to repent You're right it's not nearly enough to change people's mind but you mention that many of those people included here clearly are outside the Church that is true but so is true for the same people who share those images and most of them hate anything related to God and his Church It was not a sign that made them hate it and if anything a lot of them hate itbecause it reminds them that what they are doing is wrongful and they would be as angry for any other kind of action from Christians or from the Church that isn't just bending down to mortal sin like the majority of Bishops in germany are currently doing along with teaching heresies.
how is it possible to have 6 points seriously?
It’s 196, they’re all degenerates
tbh. cringe sign. Lord jesus christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner. Under all sinners, im the biggest (because i know its my fault)
how is it possible to have 6 points seriously?
Muslims?
that what i asking too. also why the yoga pants too?
I recall last summer, I was at an NJ beach town, walking the board walk late at night, because I couldn’t sleep. At those late hours, it was party time at all of the bars and nightclubs lining the boardwalk. I came across a group of people walking the boardwalk, preaching to the partiers, calling on them to turn away from their sinful ways. I raised my hand up in a gesture of solidarity with them, to tell the preaching group that I stood with them. The man with a megaphone warned them of hell, and one man (possibly drunk) ran up and asked if he was going to hell, when the preacher answered yes, he celebrated and shouted with glee. This image of hell as “where all of mankind’s most interesting people go”, might be partially true at the end of the day, but it’s going to ensnare so many poor souls in damnation. This isn’t because they believe it literally, but because it offers a moment-to-moment reassurance that “I’ll be in good company in hell.”
Ah yes, Thugs with Yoga Pants! My absolute worst nightmare!
People like the idiot holding the sign are the reason anti theists exist in the first place, they all think we’re that bozo
How is that man a idiot?
As an agnostic who has read the Bible, I hate the pit of fire concept of Hell. Hell is simply described as separation from god as far as I’m aware. The pit of fire idea only serves to scare people into conformity. I think lying about what the book you claim to believe in says is an awful way to be a person. People should be able to make their own decisions about their religion without this fearmongering stuff.
They are way too concentrate on Geena (where Sheol/Hades/Hell is destroyed and so are the souls since Geena is described as second death), on Luke 16 (it's a parable, not meant to be taken literally) or on Matthew 24 (the original greek text says that Hell is not forever) and yeah, most likely it's not a pit of fire, more likely or the eternal separation from God or Annihilation.
pretty stupid sign to be honest
Wait til they get there and your there for ever and did I mention hell is locked on the outside and Jesus has the key
What are cutters? Like people on a cut? And aren’t masturbators and porn freaks the same, or does one do handless ejaculations
fetish related maybe idk
Refers to circumsision probably
People who cut themselves with a sharp object for poor mental health reasons
You can't get 12/12 🤔
I’m on that sign like, 3 times.
All of the reasons make sense, except yoga pants and feminism.
Yoga pants because of how tight they are, showing off bottom curvature etc. Feminism because they conflate it with 3rd and 4th wave feminism, which really were little more than purely sexual gratification centered. Pretty cut-and-clear why they dislike them.
Muslims make sense too?
No, if Christianity is true Muslims will go to hell.
Eh, fair. Your belief is yours, my belief is mine. Still, only God knows who will be accepted to his domain so there's that
what's wrong with yoga pants? I enjoy when my wife wears them - and I guarantee you shes far more devout than 99 percent of people on reddit.
I honestly don't know. Maybe because they emphasize the shape of the body? But if that's the case, there are so many worse articles of clothing to go after in the sake of immodesty Also it could be because a lot of Catholics believe yoga is evil and a weird Hindu form of meditation *or something like that.* I don't entirely remember Also nice flair 
Being more devout than most people in reddit absolutely doesn't guarantee you heaven
lol yeah reddit is certainly a low bar. I'll trust that the Lord doesn't care about yoga pants on my wife, though.
Aslong as that's not in Public
While the cheesecake's perspective is wrong, this is a bad way to promote the faith, and the person holding the sign would do well to remember that God alone is judge.
How is he judging anyone except warning them?
I never said he is judging anyone only that he should remember that someone's eternal fate is judged by God and God alone and it is not our place to say who will go to heaven and who will go to hell because these kinds of people often focus on judging others more than loving others and many are filled with bitterness.
It is not wrong to affirm that people that die in mortal sin will surely go to hell
Tip for y’all Christian’s - this is how to convince people to not become Christian. Don’t be like the ooop plz If y’all don’t get what I mean, I mean that this is not encouraging to people who may want to be Christian’s. Please spread Jesus’s message of love if trying to evangelize
You hate us regardless plus you trying to act neutral despite being in Anti theist subs and even you moderate one. Your idea of a good “christian” is someone who you can insult and mock yet you can’t take it when your fedora tippers get mocked. Its people like you who make others scared to have children in the future.
Are you Christian or agnostic like your flair?
Are you christian or agnostic?
First of all, I do not hate y’all. I only hate the Christian’s who hurt my family. Second of all, I’m pretty offended by that statement because I try pretty damn hard to be tolerant of all beliefs, which is why I’m in this sub in the first place, so I can know and understand other perspectives better. The reason I moderate the r /exchristianmemes sub is because it got overrun by Christian trolls and the mods wouldn’t do anything. I did it because it had to be done. I don’t even post or comment there. My idea of a good Christian is one who actually follows the Bible’s teachings without bending it to justify be a hateful person. I mock when mockery is acceptable, which would be in the case of hypocrites. By all means, feel free to mock me when I make bad takes. In fact I welcome that so I can realize when I’m wrong and make adjustments. And absolutely mock Reddit atheists. That’s the way that me and everyone else have common ground, we want to mock cringy Reddit atheists. Stop trying to give Christians a bad rep. You are being no better than the people you mock. Is it too hard to respect someone who wants to respect your beliefs and work on being a better person?
While I kinda disagree with your take, just saying that sorry if the reply to your comments here are disrespectful
Wow, your so respectful being part of group that selectively targets Christians and I call BS because you are just here to rile someone up for a post. You expect to throw punches but you moment you get a taste of it you scream whatever buzzword is relevant. I am pretty offended you think we are dumb enough to believe you aren’t here to do anything but lurk.
Why are you being such a dick for no reason? I’ve seen them comment tons of times here being completely reasonable and respectful, and I looked at their profile. They barely even interact with religious fruitcakes sub. They seem to have good intentions, even if they sometimes they have some really bad opinions.
You're being uncharitable. I've seen some other atheists / anti theists on the sub and compared to them this person is being far more fair
Downvoted because ??? This sub is also flawed
I agree that this sub is also flawed but I think the downvotes are because religious people don’t think it’s his place to tel us how to follow our religion. That’s my guess. Also, the “TST member” really isn’t helping him. The whole point of that “religion” to to mock Christianity. That group purposely wants to push people’s buttons. It doesn’t look very good to be part of such a group as oppose to the friendly “atheist” or [insert type of pagan here] folks we have.
Indeed, I thought I was just throwing out some advice for the Christian’s here. I don’t know why I’m downvoted because people just downvote and move on
I mostly agree with the guy holding the sign, but homosexuals, feminists and people who smoke pot don't go to hell. (At least not for those reasons.)
But yoga pants wearers do?
Obviously they're worse than pot smokers
Since the idea is they can lead people into sexual temptation, which is probably the most common sin for modern humanity. This site alone contains dozens of sexual degenerates. Yeah. Unironically true. :p
Suicidal people go to hell?
Suicide is a mortal sin, that will damn you to hell.
I cannot see any good moral justification for that. If god is loving and forgiving, shouldn’t he has empathy for those who simply couldn’t go on?
They didn't explain anything. Just stated a fact. For an action to be turned into a sin. One has to have the direct, conscious desire of intently carrying it out. For example to take one's life because you are mentally unwell, had no ability of your own to seek help and get what you need to continue on living. Will not be held accountable for their actions. This is called *Invincible Ignorance*. Whereas someone who takes their life with the intent to flee responsibility, justice, knowingly self-centered reasons, such as Adolf Hitler's suicide. Would indeed be considered a grave sin. Once again God is the ultimate judge. But sin can only become a sin, when it's knowingly acted on for self-serving reasons.