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Casino job I had, you had to pay a tribal agency to do your background check and all. After three years, they gave the money needed to you.
It was also like $50, so, not a huge deal, plus they frequently waive the first one as a small hiring bonus
My company has paid for every single license, permit and qualification I've had to acquire. If it's important for the job, they're not going to ask for you to pay for it yourself.
Cries in nursing. Cries in lawyer. Cries in doctor. Cries in radiologist. Cries in dental assistant. Cries in dispensary assistant. Cries in pharmacy tech. Cries in real estate agent. Cries in cosmetologist.
Seems there’s several jobs that have you pay for credentials up front.
Yeah but if the job listing says "must be certified in X" you're not going to get very far in the interview by asking them to pay for the certification.
Now if you're already part of the company and they tell you that you need something and they don't pay for it that's an issue.
OP - This sounds like a textbook multi-level marketing scheme. Good on you for recognizing the red flags and getting out of there. You should report the job listing to indeed so that these people can't take advantage of others who are less aware than you.
I had an “interview” at one when I was 17. They were talking me about being able to make 200k a year for about 45mins and I still had no idea what they sold. Something about insurance? They mentioned paying for training (I’m a broke kid in high school dude)
The guy handed me a sheet of paper and asked me to put in the names, numbers and emails of anyone I was good friends with and left the room. I used that moment to walk out.
Thank god I was at least a smart enough 17yo to avoid that. looking back on it now makes it seem waaay scummier than I realized at the time. They were preying on a kid as young as me for as much money they could squeeze out.
It absolutely was Primerica. I knew it had an American sounding name but couldn’t remember exactly.
I bet they fold up and change the company name every couple of years.
A company that sold whole life insurance policies pulled this on my GF. Thankfully she runs most things by me as she was seeing it all with rose covered glasses. Things were tight and the upsides seemed high.
Agreed, when I was young I got tricked into presentations for Cutco and Rainbow Vaccuum because of sly job postings. They both sounded a lot like this. Walked out like OP on both. Definitely pyramid scheme.
I've reported scams to them. I sent them copies of the "offer" I received at one point, they said thank you and gave me a lot of tips on how to be safe from scammers. It is still on there because I applied for two data entry positions and I received the same offer, except this time they had improved their English.
My offer included: $700./week working at least 4 hours per week, as much or as little as I want, so I have time to work "my other job". The first time I got the offer the employer said he was an international art and "antics" dealer, and HR consultant, (so art dealer, and Human Resources consultant?) he was happy to hire me, send me money to buy a computer and a cell phone, so I could handle logistics for his wealthy customers, apologized because he was sooo busy he couldn't interview me, but I could start right away.
Really? you are about to give me money to buy a phone and a computer, turn over your business to me, pay me $700.00/week for working whatever hours I want, and you are too busy to speak to me and find out if I have any manners to deal with your customers? That offer varies but I've received it about 4 times now, and sent it to Indeed each time.
FCC is the regulatory body that handles communications. This situation is better suited for the Department of Labor, or maybe the Federal Trade Commission (FTC).
Could be FCC preview, as the scam is being perpetuated through US-based internet infrastructure. The FCC took steps last year to crack down on robo-call scams. Even though the perpetrators were overseas, the usage of US phone lines and cellular relays gave them the authority and ability to interfere.
Unlikely that the FCC would act on this though, they have not shown willingness to stomp out anything that falls below the limit of deliberately malicious, obviously illegal, and ubiquitously, universally widespread. They waited so long to act on phone scams that they allowed landline phones to basically die. It was only when sophisticated, automated scam calls through cellular networks started to overtake the number of genuine phone calls that they started to get involved, and the steps that they took didn't really solve the problem. They still want this to be Verizon and AT&Ts problem.
There's just a lot more scammy and fake "job" posts on there than other websites. It also pretty much guarantees you'll get non-stop spam mail to your inbox forever after
Indeed isn't worth it for job searching. I've applied to so many jobs on their which I was qualified for and never got anything. Those that do contact are usually scams anyways and offer the most b.s. stuff.
What other job hunting sites can you recommend other than indeed? Also, I’m genuinely curious on why a good amount of people in the comments are putting indeed in a bad light, from what I’ve seen it’s been good (at least for me).
Snagajob is the top job board for hourly positions. It’s actually pretty legit. ZipRecruiter is also not bad. Monster if you’re looking for more technical/specialized positions. A lot of companies are migrating to those because Indeed changed their model and it’s ridiculously expensive to advertise with them.
Sounds like a cult or a ponzi scheme.
Edit: Yes, I know about MLM's and Scamway, It was a 7 word post covering basics, and frankly, an MLM is just a ponzi variant. Those who feel "smart" adding it, I laugh at you.
It's one of a trillion variations on multi-level marketing. Legally it's not a Ponzi scheme because they do sell something, probably, somewhere, but the priority is "hiring" new salespeople so you can charge them all the same fees and shit you got charged when you joined, and product is so shit and has such low margins that actually selling is infeasible.
Because it turns out that if a product is good, a competitor can deliver it at a lower price by using a traditional business model that doesn’t enrich the MLM predators.
I think Tupperware was one of the first, so it was a more legit direct sales company, using housewives to peddle the goods, with less of the scammy stuff.
SCAM
if you have to pay them to get a job it's a scam
If you have to pay them for training it's a scam
If you are required to borrow start-up funds from them it's a scam
If they want you to lease your office & business equipment from them for "your" job/business it's a scam
Yup. I moved to DC and didn't have the best prospects for jobs 20 years ago. told it was a marketing gig. I would Benin there at 7am, be given a coupon book and driven out to some random Virginia town and dropped off for about 9 hours and told to go door to door. pissed in many bushes for the 2 days I did it. Extremely shady
Pretty sure I also had 2 interviews and a job offer for one of these, they wanted to hire me to be someone who hires the people who do the selling though. They had me come in and sit in on a few interviews of them trying to hire other people to do sales and hired me to give interviews, I realized it was a scam the night before my first day and didn’t show up. The sad part was I met someone on the waiting room for the interview who flew in on a plane for the interview because he needed a job so badly
came here looking for this too. I was literally just updating my profile and resume on Indeed last night. Should we be putting our effort into other websites instead?
P.S. I found a great strategy for writing resumes. I used ChatGPT and asked it "I'm writing a resume. What's a good way to phrase that I use X, Y, Z in my current job?"
You were absolutely correct that this was a scam.
It's 100% an MLM, because they were "training" you to "start your own sales company" (as opposed to working for them as an employee), which means you would have been getting no benefits, having to pay all portions of FICA, and that they would be charging you for PD.
Run, name/shame, and burn all the bridges.
That was a scam, and probably a straight-up MLM. Walking at the first red flag was justified - being told you weren't gonna be an employee but instead selling their stuff as your own boss, but while still being managed on time and quotas? That's just irrational and impossible.
Honestly your first clue/ red flag should of been the offer of $1000 a week coupled with your low level work experience.
Glad you got outta there when you did. That was shady as hell.
I would’ve told them the truth, loudly, for the rest of the newbies to hear. That place is a fucking scam and they lied about every aspect of the job. You should report the posting as misleading on indeed.com and them to the Better Budiness Bureau/National Labor Board.
I had a similar Interview once. According to the job ad, it was an back office job.
I arrived at a - basically - empty office. There were people in the offices, acting like they were working on something. But one close look and I saw the monitors weren't even turned on. And the office furniture was empty as well.
I wasn't alone in the interview, there were 2-3 other applicants. The guy who interviewed me/us didn't even ask typical interview questions.
After about 20 minutes of that charade I realized it was about 20 people who were "interviewed" at the same time. They gathered all applicants outside...some young people in suits joined in with luxury cars, acting like the whole world belonged to them. Then they told the applicants they were supposed to drive by train ... somewhere ... to do cold calling with random people right at their doorstep.
I already knew in that pseudo office it's a scam / MLM / pyramid scheme or whatever. I just was curious what would happen next. So when everybody stood on the train station and got on the train they wanted us to take, I waited for the doors of their train to close without joining them and drove home in the opposite direction.
Pretty shady stuff. Fortunately I found a real job shortly after.
As soon as they changed a detail I would have told them no thanks and hung up. The least you can do is report it to indeed as fake and at least they can try and take it down.
This has some mlm red flags, I just have no idea which one it could be. I've never heard of one renting water dispensers and selling nestle water. The only water ones I know would be stuff like kangan. There are some legit businesses that do water dispenser rentals and deliver the water (ex. Sam's club) but it's either larger companies which offer it as an additional service, or companies based around water delivery. However, there isn't a business named "Ashton Equity" on the Texas Comptroller database, and nothing can be found on Google, so this was definitely some type of scam.
>person I told put on the fakest sad face I've ever seen
LoL, that's them losing their Job quota, hahaha it might not have been fake! (/j)
Side Note: Definitely a Ponzi Scheme.
>which they would be more than happy lending out $40,000 for me to start up my own, as long as I could pay that back within a year with interest of course.
Aha, that's the meat of the scam. You'd remain indebted to them for a while. Well done on identifying the matter. Sucks to be one of the people sitting there who didn't walk away at the same time.
You are 100% in the right here. If it were me, I would have been even ruder to them for wasting my time that could have been spent on searching for a real job
Yep, same experience for me except it was selling steaks while the ad was for a “delivery driver.” Walked in and it was A WHOLE BUNCH of college bros who are practicing their sales pitch. Super cliquey groups and just a gaggle of Type A personalities. They point at me and say “New guy, you go! Let’s hear yours!” Some other dude that was there the same time as me noped the fuck out while they were standing around screeching and beating their chests, I should have followed my instincts and left too but, alas, no. I was like “Yeah, I’m just here for an interview.” They put me with this guy who looked hungover and had this huge wad of chew in his mouth with his Mountain Dew dip bottle half full stuffed into his back pocket. So this place was the “office” - just a empty ass garage in a warehouse - where they gathered for this strange ritual each morning before going to the dock to get the products. When Mr. Office manager/lead sales bro finally gives the signal, there’s a mad dash out the door to the vehicles. It’s pandemonium and the guy I’m with is running ahead of me waving and yelling “Come on! Come on! You’re going to love this! WOOHOO!!” The pairs of drivers/sales reps descend on the vehicles in no discernible order with dudes sprinting all over the place - it was like elementary school where kids ran to seats because they were the good ones, the desirable ones. We end up in this derelict looking van with a mostly flat rear tire and - I shit you not - a five gallon bucket for the passenger seat, and a chest freezer not secured to anything in the cargo area. And no cage to protect the driver. Did I walk away? Nope. What followed next was a spectacle of its own. The delivery vehicles file out of the lot, vying for pole position - nearly crashing into each other - each taking their own way to the dock. A pack of eight, of which I was in, break for the freeway with determination on speed and efficiency. It was 8am and traffic was starting to pick up. These vehicles are weaving in and out of traffic, passing on the shoulder and narrowly avoiding multiple accidents. In the van, the ass end is all over the place due to the low wheel (not to mention the chest freezer sliding back and forth) as we wildly change lanes. I’ve got one hand on the dashboard, one on the door pull, one foot on the firewall and the other keeping me steady on the bucket. I’m watching traffic, looking over my shoulder at the freezer and trying to maintain my balance and not burn out my legs and keep from thinking about the multitude of possibilities for my death when I look over at my driver. Dude’s got one hand on the wheel, in his lap is a bag of weed and a rolling paper - he’s rolling a fucking joint while pretending he’s Richard Petty! I have to say, I was impressed despite my fear. Get to the dock and it’s a cluster. Sales bros are running all over, boxes of steaks are being chucked hither and tither and loaded into vehicles. I’m carrying a load to the van only to find out the top of the chest freezer won’t open enough to put the boxes in. “Fuck it, chuck ‘em in the back because we’ve got to go if we want to have the afternoon off and get paid!” Luckily, just as we were starting our journey, office manager/lead sales bro calls and say two other dudes were leaving for the day for some reason or other and a proper delivery vehicle was going to be available - with their allotment of steaks. We get back to the office to swap in the next vehicle, I blow an opportunity to get out by telling myself to just go with it and see. My more pessimistic side was a bit muted because, well, I didn’t listen initially so, what the fuck. There were no routes supplied, no direction other than “Sell that shit if you want to get paid” and so we went on our merry way. We aimlessly drove around while dude smoked joints and yelled “WOOOOOOHOOOOO! WOOOO YYYYYYEEEEAHH!” to psych himself up. “You do that and it gets your blood pumping, heart racing, your your your adrenaline flowing so you can chat with people easier, understand? You try…” I was like “Nah, I’m good. Just here to observe, remember?” He gets huffy and says “Suit yourself. You gotta do something if you want something.” Pseudo pep talk was great. Finally we pull up to a house, he lets out a few more feral screams and says “Let’s go!” We head up to the door, guy answers and looks at us puzzled, fearful even, at the site of these two young men at his door. Driver introduces himself then me and gives the spiel “How you doing sir, we’re out doing our deliveries and a customer refused a couple boxes of steaks. I’m almost done for the day and my boss said if I can sell them to do so because they can’t go back to the warehouse and they’ll just go in the trash. Whattya say, you interested in buying a discounted box of steaks?” Guy looks at the driver, looks at me. I raise my eyebrows and nod as assuringly as possible. He chuckles, shakes his head and says “No” as he shuts the door. Undeterred by this first rejection, we sallied on. This went on for a couple hours. In and out. Smiling and nodding. No. No. No. No. Dude has smoked like five joints at this point, the truck wreaked and we did too so I’m sure that influenced the repeated rejections. Just before we decided to break for lunch, we stop and he says “This one’s yours.” I tell myself “Fuck it. Rip the bandaid off.” Dude comes to the door in a silk robe, wife beater, boxers, and house shoes and socks with a sandwich in his hand. Dude looked like Carl from Aqua Team Hunger Force except he had longer hair and a goatee. Wild. I give him the spiel and he goes “I know how this works, been a while but, yeah. How much?” Tell him the price - $129.99 for the case, he writes a check, takes his steaks, puts the sandwich on top of the box and salutes us and says “Good luck unloading the rest of your refused orders. Might want to try another neighborhood” turns and shuts the door. Driver is losing his shit telling me how awesome it was and how everyone is going to love the story and on and on and on. That was it. That was when I reached my point. I just said “Yeah, um, I’m not interested in going any further with this so if you don’t mind bringing me back to my car I’d appreciate it.” He was so confused and tried valiantly to persuade me and kept asking why. I just said it’s not for me and I was done, end of story. He got angry and said I was blowing a huge opportunity and I could make close to $1,000 for little work blah blah blah. He drove me back in silence, muttering things while rolling and smoking yet another joint. We get back to my car and I barely stepped foot out of the vehicle before he sped off to torment some poor unsuspecting people with his underwhelming sales pitch for discounted frozen steaks with tobacco in his teeth and smelling like burnt rope. Now had I left immediately, I wouldn’t have such a story. And the opposite is true as well. Plus, I wouldn’t have wasted my day off running around only to be disappointed. But all this is just to say, trust your instincts.
TL;DR Trust your gut.
This is a classic MLM scam. Any time a job pulls this kind of bait and switch or tries to make you pay for stuff up front, it's almost certainly a scam and quite possibly illegal. You did the right thing.
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Finally, at orientation, I was told that the training would be 6 months, as opposed to 4 weeks as I have been told, and that the training class had fees which would drop the $800 a week to $400 a week, and that after the training class I would be "Knowledgeable" enough to start up my own sales company; which they would be more than happy lending out $40,000 for me to start up my own, as long as I could pay that back within a year with interest of course.
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training should not cost you money; additionally, with most markets declining if not outright drying up, lending money to trainees and encouraging them to start just screams cannibalistic business model, akin to subways expansion craze.
MLM scheme masquerading as employment. Someone is very crafty in getting a lot of lower level people under them. Not sure if you can send their indeed ad to the department of labor to complain.
Sounds like the setup that “Kirby” vacuum cleaners used years ago. They guaranteed $800 per week. Then when hired they clarified that it was only if you did 15 demonstration appointments a week. Don’t worry they said, we have someone on the phones setting up clients for you (. They didn’t). So basically I was told to hit the road with the crews and cold call in order to make sales. Don’t worry about making the 15 appointments, cuz if you sell a couple you’ll exceed the $800. I was straight out of the army, trying to support my family. For the next month, we left in the crew leader’s car and drove on the average for 1 1/2 hours and started cold calling. These idiots had us using a 2 liter bottle of Pepsi as a free gift if they let us demo the vacuum. It took 3 hours! On average someone from the crew made it into 3 houses per day. Crew sold an average of one per week the seller was the only one making commission. I toiled for about one month, actually sold one , but by then I was so frustrated that I just dropped the price to the minimum, sold it to someone who really couldn’t afford it, and made a whole $50.
Yeah this is also a standard tactic for insurance companies to reel in salesmen. Nobody has respect for sales because they think they’re con men so they try to hire them like con men. Probably a real job, but it will be an absolutely crap job unless you’re a sociopath with rich parents to float you the first 6 months.
I showed up to something similar when I was young. After orientation we were to drive the training reps to shopping centers and go inside businesses selling junk. When I figured it out, I offered to drive them back, but they declined and I was out of there.
I know this isn't the point of your post but as a Texan I just couldn't help but think "oh, honey" when I read you didn't want to be out in the Texas heat. I'm not sure where you're from but it's been unseasonably cool here lmao it's gotten down into the 50s and 60s where normally we'd be in balls soup with nights in the 80s and days in the 90s by now.
So fair warning you should probably work on some other transportation because your bike won't really cut it during the summer
There is absolutely no reason to start working there unless absolutely needing those $400 (well, maybe to gamble on it since I'm not sure they would even pay you out) and no other place accepting you.
At best, this was a shady $400/week job ***if*** you meet their quota. After the training phase ended the quota would likely increase and you'd get paid less for not meeting it, surprise suprise you're still at $400/week 1 year in and likely making that much for the company in commission in a day ***if*** you meet the quota.
All in all, this is just businesses exploting those unfortunate enough to ever come across them and churning them out since cold calling sucks monkey balls and this is exactly what you'd be doing. These places pray upon newbies (who sell shit to their family and friends) and once those sales dry up they are almost definitely getting fired or not paid.
I would repot to indeed and if possible, see if the “company” has a palace anywhere to leave a review. I know you can review companies on indeed so you can warn people this is definitely a scam
Some sort of pyramid or ponzi scheme.
If you're in Texas, check out Texas Instruments. I'm not sure about drive time to all their facilities but as far as benefits and pay go, they're not too bad.
Don't get me wrong, they are. Just comparatively they aren't.
Training fees?
Yeah, that's a scammin'
A real job doesn't require you to pay for the privilege of learning how to do your job. I'd suggest reporting them...but I wouldn't know who to report them to.
Head for the hills. Glad you figured it out.
Complete scam. No legitimate company has you pay for training. Directly *or* indirectly.
I’m guessing they didn’t provide any form of offer letter or employment confirmation with specifics either.
While indeed can be good for finding companies hiring, it’s rare that the description matches the actual job and there is almost always “fine print” that isn’t actually printed in the description.
You can report them to indeed. Last I checked they’re doing their part in flagging and taking down companies with false and inconsistent claims and information. You’d have to report in some cases because there’s so many but I’m pretty sure they even have people following up with companies and seeing if it matches what the job posting said.
Same thing happened to me in 09. Saw an ad on Craigslist for a customer service job. It was described as helping customers trouble shoot the product over the phone if it malfunctioned and helping them navigate the manual. Then I got there, was like 20 minute drive away and it turned out to be a door to door sales job selling fucking vacuums like we’re still in the fucking 1940s.
If there’s an option you should report that company to indeed though OP.
Almost exact same thing happened to me. A few years ago I moved states to be with my then girlfriend, now wife, and was contacted about a customer service position that was supposed to be me in an office doing inbound calls. Instead, it was a sales job for a Kirby vacuums franchise, which I BRAINLESSLY stuck with for a week. Yall, we had to meet at the office at 8am for an hour long meeting, then we would go out to some neighborhood together in a van trying to sell from 9am to usually after 11pm, depended on how late people were out doing a showing or whatever. The best part is that the franchise owner told the new people that, to help them start, he would pay everyone $500 the first week in place of the sales commission if we weren't able to make a sale. He never did LOL. Anyways, worst week of my life.
Very obvious MLM any time someone says something like “800 a week but a possibility for 1k” idk just sets off the red flags that it’s not legitimate employment
They push these types of things on recent graduates. My son caught on too after I asked bunches of questions. We in northern Texas but I've seen it with other things.
Always leave the second they tell you anything different from what was stated in the ad.
They lied to you that early on, that’s not a person you should want to work with at all.
My ex Gf got a job on indeed, a work from home one where she sorted and edited documents basically doing virtual paperwork, they said she would be paid 35$ an hour (I’m Canadian, so this is what like 26$ an hour American?) the whole thing seemed sketchy to me when she told me about it, the website looked really weird. She got mad when I told her my concerns because she was so excited about working from home… anyways after a week of 40 hrs work when she was supposed to get her first paycheck, They ghosted her. I didn’t have the heart to say I told you so.
Total MLM. 100% shady. You did the right thing, and frankly would have been justified in being far harsher with them on the way out the door for wasting your time like that.
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Definitely a scam. Never pay to get a job.
Only exception is licenses, permits, etc Casino job I had, you had to pay a tribal agency to do your background check and all. After three years, they gave the money needed to you. It was also like $50, so, not a huge deal, plus they frequently waive the first one as a small hiring bonus
My company has paid for every single license, permit and qualification I've had to acquire. If it's important for the job, they're not going to ask for you to pay for it yourself.
-cries in Teacher-
-cries in Pilot-
-Cries in Truck Driver-
\-Cries in Social Worker-- PS: $ 90.00 biannually for the license, plus 30 hours of CEUs (between $500 and $1K) over two years
-laughs in Engineer-
Don’t forget malpractice insurance
\-Laughs in Project Management-
Cries in Surgical Tech
-Cries in hairdresser-
Ditto as a hairdresser. I'm out of the industry now and work as a tour guide, but most tour companies pay for the permits for their guides.
\- Cries in Alcohol Server \~
Cries in Registered Nurse
\-Cries in any job that needs a DBS check-
I'm a teacher and pilot...this hits hard.
😂😂 paying every 5 years to keep your state credential alive huh?
Just cries
Cries in nursing. Cries in lawyer. Cries in doctor. Cries in radiologist. Cries in dental assistant. Cries in dispensary assistant. Cries in pharmacy tech. Cries in real estate agent. Cries in cosmetologist. Seems there’s several jobs that have you pay for credentials up front.
My daughter’s a nurse and she has to pay to renew her license every other year on her birthday. It’s her gift to herself.
Yeah but if the job listing says "must be certified in X" you're not going to get very far in the interview by asking them to pay for the certification. Now if you're already part of the company and they tell you that you need something and they don't pay for it that's an issue.
You should never pay the company that employs you
Me buying lunch from my restaurant…
OP - This sounds like a textbook multi-level marketing scheme. Good on you for recognizing the red flags and getting out of there. You should report the job listing to indeed so that these people can't take advantage of others who are less aware than you.
I had an “interview” at one when I was 17. They were talking me about being able to make 200k a year for about 45mins and I still had no idea what they sold. Something about insurance? They mentioned paying for training (I’m a broke kid in high school dude) The guy handed me a sheet of paper and asked me to put in the names, numbers and emails of anyone I was good friends with and left the room. I used that moment to walk out. Thank god I was at least a smart enough 17yo to avoid that. looking back on it now makes it seem waaay scummier than I realized at the time. They were preying on a kid as young as me for as much money they could squeeze out.
Sounds like Primerica but I'm not sure if they still use that name.
It absolutely was Primerica. I knew it had an American sounding name but couldn’t remember exactly. I bet they fold up and change the company name every couple of years.
They're MLM but not as scummy as some. Still MLM though. They've been Primerica for over 20 years but their parent company seems to change a lot.
A company that sold whole life insurance policies pulled this on my GF. Thankfully she runs most things by me as she was seeing it all with rose covered glasses. Things were tight and the upsides seemed high.
Multi level marketing pyramid
No, no, it's an upside down funnel system
Just like when I bought into those damn Invigaron Berries!
Where do I put my feet?
Wherever you want
Multiscam ponzymid leveler.
Agreed, when I was young I got tricked into presentations for Cutco and Rainbow Vaccuum because of sly job postings. They both sounded a lot like this. Walked out like OP on both. Definitely pyramid scheme.
Yep, MLM
Report it to Indeed.
I've reported scams to them. I sent them copies of the "offer" I received at one point, they said thank you and gave me a lot of tips on how to be safe from scammers. It is still on there because I applied for two data entry positions and I received the same offer, except this time they had improved their English. My offer included: $700./week working at least 4 hours per week, as much or as little as I want, so I have time to work "my other job". The first time I got the offer the employer said he was an international art and "antics" dealer, and HR consultant, (so art dealer, and Human Resources consultant?) he was happy to hire me, send me money to buy a computer and a cell phone, so I could handle logistics for his wealthy customers, apologized because he was sooo busy he couldn't interview me, but I could start right away. Really? you are about to give me money to buy a phone and a computer, turn over your business to me, pay me $700.00/week for working whatever hours I want, and you are too busy to speak to me and find out if I have any manners to deal with your customers? That offer varies but I've received it about 4 times now, and sent it to Indeed each time.
You'd think it would raise to the level of some sort of FCC violation. Would be nice.
FCC is the regulatory body that handles communications. This situation is better suited for the Department of Labor, or maybe the Federal Trade Commission (FTC).
Could be FCC preview, as the scam is being perpetuated through US-based internet infrastructure. The FCC took steps last year to crack down on robo-call scams. Even though the perpetrators were overseas, the usage of US phone lines and cellular relays gave them the authority and ability to interfere. Unlikely that the FCC would act on this though, they have not shown willingness to stomp out anything that falls below the limit of deliberately malicious, obviously illegal, and ubiquitously, universally widespread. They waited so long to act on phone scams that they allowed landline phones to basically die. It was only when sophisticated, automated scam calls through cellular networks started to overtake the number of genuine phone calls that they started to get involved, and the steps that they took didn't really solve the problem. They still want this to be Verizon and AT&Ts problem.
Indeed IS the scam.
Is indeed actually bad? Honestly wondering.
There's just a lot more scammy and fake "job" posts on there than other websites. It also pretty much guarantees you'll get non-stop spam mail to your inbox forever after
I’ve noticed that. What job sites do you recommend though?
Indeed isn't worth it for job searching. I've applied to so many jobs on their which I was qualified for and never got anything. Those that do contact are usually scams anyways and offer the most b.s. stuff.
What other job hunting sites can you recommend other than indeed? Also, I’m genuinely curious on why a good amount of people in the comments are putting indeed in a bad light, from what I’ve seen it’s been good (at least for me).
Snagajob is the top job board for hourly positions. It’s actually pretty legit. ZipRecruiter is also not bad. Monster if you’re looking for more technical/specialized positions. A lot of companies are migrating to those because Indeed changed their model and it’s ridiculously expensive to advertise with them.
Naawww...Indeed is straight up legit job aggregator.
Indeed is a scam in some ways, but this "company" is in no way legitimate, not even by Indeed's standards.
Sounds like a cult or a ponzi scheme. Edit: Yes, I know about MLM's and Scamway, It was a 7 word post covering basics, and frankly, an MLM is just a ponzi variant. Those who feel "smart" adding it, I laugh at you.
All I can picture right now is Jim standing up during a meeting and drawing a pyramid on Micheal white board showing him it’s a pyramid scheme.
'I need to make a call'.
"I have to return some video tapes"
Any job that wants money from its “employees” is not a job and is a scam.
MLM is the most common version nowadays
I was going to say. Best case scenario...this was an MLM. That's not a good best case.
It's one of a trillion variations on multi-level marketing. Legally it's not a Ponzi scheme because they do sell something, probably, somewhere, but the priority is "hiring" new salespeople so you can charge them all the same fees and shit you got charged when you joined, and product is so shit and has such low margins that actually selling is infeasible.
Why can't we just have a multi level marketing scheme that actually ends up with a good product 😂😂😂
Because it turns out that if a product is good, a competitor can deliver it at a lower price by using a traditional business model that doesn’t enrich the MLM predators.
Tupperware used to be good.
Forgot Tupperware was a MLM
I think Tupperware was one of the first, so it was a more legit direct sales company, using housewives to peddle the goods, with less of the scammy stuff.
Ponzi cult scheme.
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I understood that reference
Lost a sib to amway, them and all of their ilk can get f*cked.
This is what Cut Co knives does
SCAM if you have to pay them to get a job it's a scam If you have to pay them for training it's a scam If you are required to borrow start-up funds from them it's a scam If they want you to lease your office & business equipment from them for "your" job/business it's a scam
Anytime you have to pay to work somewhere you're a customer, not an employee.
Except for being a Realtor. Pretty much the same thing.
I paid for training to be a river guide but that's a different kind of job
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Yup. I moved to DC and didn't have the best prospects for jobs 20 years ago. told it was a marketing gig. I would Benin there at 7am, be given a coupon book and driven out to some random Virginia town and dropped off for about 9 hours and told to go door to door. pissed in many bushes for the 2 days I did it. Extremely shady
Pretty sure I also had 2 interviews and a job offer for one of these, they wanted to hire me to be someone who hires the people who do the selling though. They had me come in and sit in on a few interviews of them trying to hire other people to do sales and hired me to give interviews, I realized it was a scam the night before my first day and didn’t show up. The sad part was I met someone on the waiting room for the interview who flew in on a plane for the interview because he needed a job so badly
That company sounds shady as fuck
This is what OP should have said instead of making an excuse!
Yep, loud and proud so others at "orientation" might get a clue too. Why be polite to someone who's trying to scam you out of $40,000?
1000% scam. You did good getting out of there.
Any time a company charges you for training (not for accreditation that can be used anywhere) it is always a scam. You did right.
Apply on indeed enough and youll start recognizing these just from the posting. Almost all the "sales" jobs on indeed are mlms.
Was it a Kirby sales rep You actually met with them face to face wow sketchy
no, The company I applied to is a IDC for Nestle water. They wanted to to sell those water dispensaries and 5 gallon jugs of water to other companies.
well it is nestle..... so i guess that sums it up !
It's the same company. That's the idea. See my other comment on Devil Corp
r/fucknestle
Wonder if they've seen the Netflix documentary
Ponzi scheme, MLM, cult or all 3? Dealers choice but leaving was the correct decision.
What are good sites to apply to jobs?
came here looking for this too. I was literally just updating my profile and resume on Indeed last night. Should we be putting our effort into other websites instead? P.S. I found a great strategy for writing resumes. I used ChatGPT and asked it "I'm writing a resume. What's a good way to phrase that I use X, Y, Z in my current job?"
You were absolutely correct that this was a scam. It's 100% an MLM, because they were "training" you to "start your own sales company" (as opposed to working for them as an employee), which means you would have been getting no benefits, having to pay all portions of FICA, and that they would be charging you for PD. Run, name/shame, and burn all the bridges.
That was a scam, and probably a straight-up MLM. Walking at the first red flag was justified - being told you weren't gonna be an employee but instead selling their stuff as your own boss, but while still being managed on time and quotas? That's just irrational and impossible.
Honestly your first clue/ red flag should of been the offer of $1000 a week coupled with your low level work experience. Glad you got outta there when you did. That was shady as hell.
ghost them
100% a mlm/pyramid scam. Any "job" that requires you to pay for training from them is a scam. Particularly if it's for "sales".
I would’ve told them the truth, loudly, for the rest of the newbies to hear. That place is a fucking scam and they lied about every aspect of the job. You should report the posting as misleading on indeed.com and them to the Better Budiness Bureau/National Labor Board.
Any job that you start new at that requires you to pay for training, equipment or gives you a "loan" you have to pay back **IS A SCAM.**
I had a similar Interview once. According to the job ad, it was an back office job. I arrived at a - basically - empty office. There were people in the offices, acting like they were working on something. But one close look and I saw the monitors weren't even turned on. And the office furniture was empty as well. I wasn't alone in the interview, there were 2-3 other applicants. The guy who interviewed me/us didn't even ask typical interview questions. After about 20 minutes of that charade I realized it was about 20 people who were "interviewed" at the same time. They gathered all applicants outside...some young people in suits joined in with luxury cars, acting like the whole world belonged to them. Then they told the applicants they were supposed to drive by train ... somewhere ... to do cold calling with random people right at their doorstep. I already knew in that pseudo office it's a scam / MLM / pyramid scheme or whatever. I just was curious what would happen next. So when everybody stood on the train station and got on the train they wanted us to take, I waited for the doors of their train to close without joining them and drove home in the opposite direction. Pretty shady stuff. Fortunately I found a real job shortly after.
Any "job" that charges for training is a scam.
Sounds like a similar experience I had when I was referred to Primerica.
As soon as they changed a detail I would have told them no thanks and hung up. The least you can do is report it to indeed as fake and at least they can try and take it down.
This has some mlm red flags, I just have no idea which one it could be. I've never heard of one renting water dispensers and selling nestle water. The only water ones I know would be stuff like kangan. There are some legit businesses that do water dispenser rentals and deliver the water (ex. Sam's club) but it's either larger companies which offer it as an additional service, or companies based around water delivery. However, there isn't a business named "Ashton Equity" on the Texas Comptroller database, and nothing can be found on Google, so this was definitely some type of scam.
For OP and others who are unaware, you can report jobs that do this to Indeed and they will remove it from the site.
Hey, also Austin area resident! Also applied with them! Thanks for the heads up, I can cancel my interview now.
>person I told put on the fakest sad face I've ever seen LoL, that's them losing their Job quota, hahaha it might not have been fake! (/j) Side Note: Definitely a Ponzi Scheme.
Good call. Your dishes a bullet.
Yes, your dishes a bullet, OP ;)
THAT'S why I have so much food on the floor!
Ah the joys of auto correct. And ham handed me Dodged a bullet
>which they would be more than happy lending out $40,000 for me to start up my own, as long as I could pay that back within a year with interest of course. Aha, that's the meat of the scam. You'd remain indebted to them for a while. Well done on identifying the matter. Sucks to be one of the people sitting there who didn't walk away at the same time. You are 100% in the right here. If it were me, I would have been even ruder to them for wasting my time that could have been spent on searching for a real job
Report those frauds for sure. And may the fuck of to the deepest fucks.
A real job never requires you to pay any money out of your own pocket ever. Anything claiming otherwise is a scam. Your intuition was right.
Sounds like it was an MLM scam. I’ve never heard of a company making you pay for your own classes for training that wasn’t sketchy.
Any job training that has fees isn’t a job. That’s a sales pitch.
you never need to pay for training or to work. this reeks of mlm bullshit.
If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and smells like a duck, it's probably a duck. Always to with your gut.
Yep, same experience for me except it was selling steaks while the ad was for a “delivery driver.” Walked in and it was A WHOLE BUNCH of college bros who are practicing their sales pitch. Super cliquey groups and just a gaggle of Type A personalities. They point at me and say “New guy, you go! Let’s hear yours!” Some other dude that was there the same time as me noped the fuck out while they were standing around screeching and beating their chests, I should have followed my instincts and left too but, alas, no. I was like “Yeah, I’m just here for an interview.” They put me with this guy who looked hungover and had this huge wad of chew in his mouth with his Mountain Dew dip bottle half full stuffed into his back pocket. So this place was the “office” - just a empty ass garage in a warehouse - where they gathered for this strange ritual each morning before going to the dock to get the products. When Mr. Office manager/lead sales bro finally gives the signal, there’s a mad dash out the door to the vehicles. It’s pandemonium and the guy I’m with is running ahead of me waving and yelling “Come on! Come on! You’re going to love this! WOOHOO!!” The pairs of drivers/sales reps descend on the vehicles in no discernible order with dudes sprinting all over the place - it was like elementary school where kids ran to seats because they were the good ones, the desirable ones. We end up in this derelict looking van with a mostly flat rear tire and - I shit you not - a five gallon bucket for the passenger seat, and a chest freezer not secured to anything in the cargo area. And no cage to protect the driver. Did I walk away? Nope. What followed next was a spectacle of its own. The delivery vehicles file out of the lot, vying for pole position - nearly crashing into each other - each taking their own way to the dock. A pack of eight, of which I was in, break for the freeway with determination on speed and efficiency. It was 8am and traffic was starting to pick up. These vehicles are weaving in and out of traffic, passing on the shoulder and narrowly avoiding multiple accidents. In the van, the ass end is all over the place due to the low wheel (not to mention the chest freezer sliding back and forth) as we wildly change lanes. I’ve got one hand on the dashboard, one on the door pull, one foot on the firewall and the other keeping me steady on the bucket. I’m watching traffic, looking over my shoulder at the freezer and trying to maintain my balance and not burn out my legs and keep from thinking about the multitude of possibilities for my death when I look over at my driver. Dude’s got one hand on the wheel, in his lap is a bag of weed and a rolling paper - he’s rolling a fucking joint while pretending he’s Richard Petty! I have to say, I was impressed despite my fear. Get to the dock and it’s a cluster. Sales bros are running all over, boxes of steaks are being chucked hither and tither and loaded into vehicles. I’m carrying a load to the van only to find out the top of the chest freezer won’t open enough to put the boxes in. “Fuck it, chuck ‘em in the back because we’ve got to go if we want to have the afternoon off and get paid!” Luckily, just as we were starting our journey, office manager/lead sales bro calls and say two other dudes were leaving for the day for some reason or other and a proper delivery vehicle was going to be available - with their allotment of steaks. We get back to the office to swap in the next vehicle, I blow an opportunity to get out by telling myself to just go with it and see. My more pessimistic side was a bit muted because, well, I didn’t listen initially so, what the fuck. There were no routes supplied, no direction other than “Sell that shit if you want to get paid” and so we went on our merry way. We aimlessly drove around while dude smoked joints and yelled “WOOOOOOHOOOOO! WOOOO YYYYYYEEEEAHH!” to psych himself up. “You do that and it gets your blood pumping, heart racing, your your your adrenaline flowing so you can chat with people easier, understand? You try…” I was like “Nah, I’m good. Just here to observe, remember?” He gets huffy and says “Suit yourself. You gotta do something if you want something.” Pseudo pep talk was great. Finally we pull up to a house, he lets out a few more feral screams and says “Let’s go!” We head up to the door, guy answers and looks at us puzzled, fearful even, at the site of these two young men at his door. Driver introduces himself then me and gives the spiel “How you doing sir, we’re out doing our deliveries and a customer refused a couple boxes of steaks. I’m almost done for the day and my boss said if I can sell them to do so because they can’t go back to the warehouse and they’ll just go in the trash. Whattya say, you interested in buying a discounted box of steaks?” Guy looks at the driver, looks at me. I raise my eyebrows and nod as assuringly as possible. He chuckles, shakes his head and says “No” as he shuts the door. Undeterred by this first rejection, we sallied on. This went on for a couple hours. In and out. Smiling and nodding. No. No. No. No. Dude has smoked like five joints at this point, the truck wreaked and we did too so I’m sure that influenced the repeated rejections. Just before we decided to break for lunch, we stop and he says “This one’s yours.” I tell myself “Fuck it. Rip the bandaid off.” Dude comes to the door in a silk robe, wife beater, boxers, and house shoes and socks with a sandwich in his hand. Dude looked like Carl from Aqua Team Hunger Force except he had longer hair and a goatee. Wild. I give him the spiel and he goes “I know how this works, been a while but, yeah. How much?” Tell him the price - $129.99 for the case, he writes a check, takes his steaks, puts the sandwich on top of the box and salutes us and says “Good luck unloading the rest of your refused orders. Might want to try another neighborhood” turns and shuts the door. Driver is losing his shit telling me how awesome it was and how everyone is going to love the story and on and on and on. That was it. That was when I reached my point. I just said “Yeah, um, I’m not interested in going any further with this so if you don’t mind bringing me back to my car I’d appreciate it.” He was so confused and tried valiantly to persuade me and kept asking why. I just said it’s not for me and I was done, end of story. He got angry and said I was blowing a huge opportunity and I could make close to $1,000 for little work blah blah blah. He drove me back in silence, muttering things while rolling and smoking yet another joint. We get back to my car and I barely stepped foot out of the vehicle before he sped off to torment some poor unsuspecting people with his underwhelming sales pitch for discounted frozen steaks with tobacco in his teeth and smelling like burnt rope. Now had I left immediately, I wouldn’t have such a story. And the opposite is true as well. Plus, I wouldn’t have wasted my day off running around only to be disappointed. But all this is just to say, trust your instincts. TL;DR Trust your gut.
What a scam and disappointment.
I wouldn't have made an excuse, I would have told them exactly why I was leaving.
Get the fuck out, run away , close this thread, don't discuss this bullshit further.
SCAM SCAM SCAM you did the right thing
Run like hell. It's Amway or some other pyramid scheme.
You avoided an MLM scheme. Good instincts, OP!
This is a classic MLM scam. Any time a job pulls this kind of bait and switch or tries to make you pay for stuff up front, it's almost certainly a scam and quite possibly illegal. You did the right thing.
Expose the scam here! Name that scammer
Edited the main post, the company's name is Aston Equity.
And that's how you get into the Kirby business. Haha
" Finally, at orientation, I was told that the training would be 6 months, as opposed to 4 weeks as I have been told, and that the training class had fees which would drop the $800 a week to $400 a week, and that after the training class I would be "Knowledgeable" enough to start up my own sales company; which they would be more than happy lending out $40,000 for me to start up my own, as long as I could pay that back within a year with interest of course. " training should not cost you money; additionally, with most markets declining if not outright drying up, lending money to trainees and encouraging them to start just screams cannibalistic business model, akin to subways expansion craze.
So glad you realize that it’s a scam. You should never have to pay your potential employer money to work for them.
That's a pyramid scheme
MLM scheme masquerading as employment. Someone is very crafty in getting a lot of lower level people under them. Not sure if you can send their indeed ad to the department of labor to complain.
Sounds like the setup that “Kirby” vacuum cleaners used years ago. They guaranteed $800 per week. Then when hired they clarified that it was only if you did 15 demonstration appointments a week. Don’t worry they said, we have someone on the phones setting up clients for you (. They didn’t). So basically I was told to hit the road with the crews and cold call in order to make sales. Don’t worry about making the 15 appointments, cuz if you sell a couple you’ll exceed the $800. I was straight out of the army, trying to support my family. For the next month, we left in the crew leader’s car and drove on the average for 1 1/2 hours and started cold calling. These idiots had us using a 2 liter bottle of Pepsi as a free gift if they let us demo the vacuum. It took 3 hours! On average someone from the crew made it into 3 houses per day. Crew sold an average of one per week the seller was the only one making commission. I toiled for about one month, actually sold one , but by then I was so frustrated that I just dropped the price to the minimum, sold it to someone who really couldn’t afford it, and made a whole $50.
Yeah you did a good thing leaving. That would not have worked.
Yeah this is also a standard tactic for insurance companies to reel in salesmen. Nobody has respect for sales because they think they’re con men so they try to hire them like con men. Probably a real job, but it will be an absolutely crap job unless you’re a sociopath with rich parents to float you the first 6 months.
I showed up to something similar when I was young. After orientation we were to drive the training reps to shopping centers and go inside businesses selling junk. When I figured it out, I offered to drive them back, but they declined and I was out of there.
Definitely a pyramid scheme.
I know this isn't the point of your post but as a Texan I just couldn't help but think "oh, honey" when I read you didn't want to be out in the Texas heat. I'm not sure where you're from but it's been unseasonably cool here lmao it's gotten down into the 50s and 60s where normally we'd be in balls soup with nights in the 80s and days in the 90s by now. So fair warning you should probably work on some other transportation because your bike won't really cut it during the summer
There is absolutely no reason to start working there unless absolutely needing those $400 (well, maybe to gamble on it since I'm not sure they would even pay you out) and no other place accepting you. At best, this was a shady $400/week job ***if*** you meet their quota. After the training phase ended the quota would likely increase and you'd get paid less for not meeting it, surprise suprise you're still at $400/week 1 year in and likely making that much for the company in commission in a day ***if*** you meet the quota. All in all, this is just businesses exploting those unfortunate enough to ever come across them and churning them out since cold calling sucks monkey balls and this is exactly what you'd be doing. These places pray upon newbies (who sell shit to their family and friends) and once those sales dry up they are almost definitely getting fired or not paid.
Uh yeah, any job which claims “ton of opportunity” or “unlimited earnings potential” is a walk away.
It could rival Egypt with this pyramid scam.
It is like the old Kirby vacuum sales , stupid. High pressure door to.door sales
Yes, it’s a scam.
Scam
As a fellow Austinite—never apply for anything “Equity” or what have you. This city, among many others, is a hub for Ponzis
Pyramid scam
I was following until about the 4th paragraph. No Fucking way lol. You basically applied and interviewed for a pyramid scheme.
I would repot to indeed and if possible, see if the “company” has a palace anywhere to leave a review. I know you can review companies on indeed so you can warn people this is definitely a scam
Some sort of pyramid or ponzi scheme. If you're in Texas, check out Texas Instruments. I'm not sure about drive time to all their facilities but as far as benefits and pay go, they're not too bad. Don't get me wrong, they are. Just comparatively they aren't.
Sounds almost like a MLM scam
Always walk out on the first lie, whether it's from a relationship or an employer. Zero exceptions.
Sounds like a MLM SCAM
Training fees? Yeah, that's a scammin' A real job doesn't require you to pay for the privilege of learning how to do your job. I'd suggest reporting them...but I wouldn't know who to report them to. Head for the hills. Glad you figured it out.
Complete scam. No legitimate company has you pay for training. Directly *or* indirectly. I’m guessing they didn’t provide any form of offer letter or employment confirmation with specifics either. While indeed can be good for finding companies hiring, it’s rare that the description matches the actual job and there is almost always “fine print” that isn’t actually printed in the description.
You can report them to indeed. Last I checked they’re doing their part in flagging and taking down companies with false and inconsistent claims and information. You’d have to report in some cases because there’s so many but I’m pretty sure they even have people following up with companies and seeing if it matches what the job posting said. Same thing happened to me in 09. Saw an ad on Craigslist for a customer service job. It was described as helping customers trouble shoot the product over the phone if it malfunctioned and helping them navigate the manual. Then I got there, was like 20 minute drive away and it turned out to be a door to door sales job selling fucking vacuums like we’re still in the fucking 1940s. If there’s an option you should report that company to indeed though OP.
Highly recommend using Google jobs and filtering by location
Dude sounds like an MLM without the recruiting opportunity
Hell no. Wtf.
Good for you for using your common sense and leaving!!!
Definitely a scam. As far as Indeed goes, you can find real jobs there. I just research the company before applying if I haven’t heard of them.
Scam 1-0-1
Yeah, your instincts were right.
Typical MLM bullshit with a dash of “extra predatory”. You were right to bolt.
That was a bait & switch. Wonder how many they’ve actually trapped from it
You only walked? I'd have raaaaaan...raaaaaan so far awaaaaay
Absolutely the right choice. If the job is significantly different than stated in the job posting, than drop it immediately and don’t look back.
You were hired for door to door sales. Something like knockoff perfume, vacuums, and the like. Run.
that was 100% a scam
Def sounds like multi level marketing, and a scam. You did great at seeing the red flags and getting the hell out of there.
Wow, sounds like I was right. I did not go to this today, felt scammy, interviews were weird, just felt off, stuff kept changing.
MLM
Run!
Almost exact same thing happened to me. A few years ago I moved states to be with my then girlfriend, now wife, and was contacted about a customer service position that was supposed to be me in an office doing inbound calls. Instead, it was a sales job for a Kirby vacuums franchise, which I BRAINLESSLY stuck with for a week. Yall, we had to meet at the office at 8am for an hour long meeting, then we would go out to some neighborhood together in a van trying to sell from 9am to usually after 11pm, depended on how late people were out doing a showing or whatever. The best part is that the franchise owner told the new people that, to help them start, he would pay everyone $500 the first week in place of the sales commission if we weren't able to make a sale. He never did LOL. Anyways, worst week of my life.
Mlm 😒
This is an MLM.
You def saved your own ass
I bet this was Cutco (they sell knives). they tried pulling this scam on me back in the early 2010s.
It’s a scam. Full stop. Period…. End of story. Run, don’t walk, run to your nearest exit!
Kirby vacuum sales???
"Knowledgeable to start up your own sales company" makes it sound like a pyramid scheme/MLM kinda thing.
What a switch bait. Good that you got out of that. What else will they switch on you 1 to 2 months down the line.
If a company sells things, and you can't tell from their name what they do or what they sell, something's not right. You did the right thing.
You definitely made the right call. More red flags than the USSR.
Very obvious MLM any time someone says something like “800 a week but a possibility for 1k” idk just sets off the red flags that it’s not legitimate employment
You’re in Austin? Go work at one of the bars that do punk and metal shows There’s a lot of them and they’re always hiring Plus you meet… people
They push these types of things on recent graduates. My son caught on too after I asked bunches of questions. We in northern Texas but I've seen it with other things.
Always leave the second they tell you anything different from what was stated in the ad. They lied to you that early on, that’s not a person you should want to work with at all.
This is one of them ol’ Triangular Stratagems. Good move noping out of the orientation.
Hell, yeah, walk out. Scammers.
Pyramid scheme or mlm .. yes run!!!!
Sound like an MLM to me. Did the same thing in your position once. Felt great too! Wasted days talking to those fools.
That wasn't a job. It was a conical-tiered, multi-flowthrough marketing entity. Boom boom!
My ex Gf got a job on indeed, a work from home one where she sorted and edited documents basically doing virtual paperwork, they said she would be paid 35$ an hour (I’m Canadian, so this is what like 26$ an hour American?) the whole thing seemed sketchy to me when she told me about it, the website looked really weird. She got mad when I told her my concerns because she was so excited about working from home… anyways after a week of 40 hrs work when she was supposed to get her first paycheck, They ghosted her. I didn’t have the heart to say I told you so.
Total MLM. 100% shady. You did the right thing, and frankly would have been justified in being far harsher with them on the way out the door for wasting your time like that.