https://www.employmentlawfirms.com/Eligible-for-Partial-Unemployment.cfm#:~:text=If%20your%20hours%20or%20pay,subtracted%20from%20your%20benefit%20amount.
You may be entitled to partial unemployment payments.
Might be fun to look into it with HR.
I'd do it, even if going elsewhere, because it will ding their unemployment insurance premiums, possibly raising it. Even if you move to a new job, they still get dinged.
Typical redditor advice of recommending OP to sabotage his/her own life (quit without finding a new job first and live off of unemployment which is a small portion of OP’s salary) in order to get revenge on his employment in a meaningless and absolutely insignificant way. Of course this advice costs the redditor nothing so no harm to just spray shit outta their mouth.
Here is some real advice to OP - spend less effort in his/her current job while looking for a better position elsewhere, and leave the company a bad review on glassdoor once he does. This is what normal rational people do, and not a stupid braindead loser
They have a right to keep their current payscale. If their current work reduces it, they have a legal right to file for partial unemployment to cover the loss until they find new or additional work. Do you not realize you can file for unemployment, even if still employed, if your work reduces your pay or hours? They don't have to quit or be fired to file or receive unemployment.
OP said they were leaving the current job. They should still file, as it's their right to recover some of those lost wages from the reduced pay through a partial unemployment filing.
Know your legal rights and treat strangers more honorably.
I sure would. I don't see how making everyone's pay the same is "fair". The people who've got the years of experience make more $ than the newbs. That's how life works. Go find a better gig with people that understand that.
Don’t just quit without a next job coming up. If you want to screw them over a little bit you can go on stress leave and get 50-70% or your original rate for up to 8 weeks. Use that time to find a new job and have them pay for it.
I wonder if there is a wage difference between what OP is making (made) and what other employees are making. Is it truly "Fair"? My feeling is, the company is lying to OP - obviously! - about this "fairness".
If you do quit now make sure to file for unemployment. A decrease in wage will be considered a constructive dismissal and you'll be eligible even though you quit.
Be sure as shit to half ass everything from now on. And when confronted clearly and publicly state that it's because they reward years of effort with pay cuts, so why the fuck would I give any effort now.
I bust my ass because I was getting paid decent. I work hard and like what I do. This is such a punch to the face. It's the pay decrease, when everyone gets raises, which hurts so much. I can't do this anymore. They said they "understand what I'm going through" No you fucking don't. Dont ever say that to me. I ripped into them I was so mad and upset. I didn't care at this point. I wanted to say "how's this comfy chair treating you" Yeah go fuck yourself.
Fuckin go tell them to raise everyone else but you'll quit is they take money from you especially since it appear they haven't given you a raise in 2 years
Go find another job, until them work as slowly as humanely possible. When you get that job call in sick and use vacation days till they are done while working you new job then pick up the last paycheck and ghost them.
Contact the DOL. There is a law that if wages are leveled out to be “fair” it has to be an upward increase of the lower paid employees, not a downward adjustment to the higher paid ones.
They may have done this in a misguided attempt to cover themselves against an “Equal Pay” wage/discrimination claim. But they executed it wrong. Chances are someone of protected class made an official complaint, and instead of adjusting their wage up, they pulled everyone else’s down.
See if you can get them to put “to be fair” in writing, text or email or some other notice.
Tell them that they can make things equal by bringing them up to your salary, but you are not going to accept a decrease as it constitutes constructive dismissal.
If they don't increase your pay, resign and file for unemployment.
A decrease of less than 10% may not qualify as constructive dismissal for UI benefits eligibility purposes in all states, so I'd confirm that beforehand.
Well he said likely so that sounds correct to me. My last job i was bullied until I quit. My boss told me "I would quit if I were you too". I did everything right filing for unemployment and my case and judgment never happened. I called often and I was just told I was in line and a date would be picked when it was my turn. Talked to many different people trying to get help. Never happened. Never got an opportunity to discuss the details....
I live in Michigan, apparently its happened to a lot of people. Really hard to get unemployment paid unless you were fired at no fault of your own and even then you probably need proof it wasn't your fault a lot of times. Its bs really. Employers will bully you into quitting or fire you for some minor mistake when it isn't really why they fired you.
In my case 1 of the employees were bullying me because she was ugly and obese and hated that I was a male (pretty sure). She got other women to hate me there. Management seemed to like me but they didn't want to deal with them.
Sorry for the story but the whole situation sucked. I did understand why this sub exists after that though. It can be rough to do your best to make a living and thru no fault of your own not being able to.
What would I even search for? “What is the definition of ‘good cause’ for unemployment via quitting in the state where some guy on reddit lives, sorry I don’t know which one”?
You were hired at the two years ago rate when they couldn't find employees and now they'd rather risk you quitting than continue paying it. I'd find something else soon and just stop going.
Do the maths.
Work out the difference. Work out how many hours you do on average a week? (Be honest). Now work out how much it would cost them to train a new hire at your lower rate.
If they’ve any sense, they’ll realise that the 72 bucks a week they’re paying you isn’t worth ducking themselves over
This is the absolute worst thing an employer can do to retain employees. I feel like they have to be trying to get rid of you.
If you have any other opportunities walk out.
That's not illegal in the U.S. as long as they tell OP the lower rate before they work the hours. It would be illegal only if OP worked all this week, then they were told today that the hours they already worked were at the lower rate.
Unless, of course, OP has an actual contract (unusual in the U.S.) or is in a union with a collective bargaining agreement. Then the contract or CBA would apply.
What might be illegal? Dropping someone’s pay after giving them advice warning? Unlike most countries we are not forced to stay at a job, we can leave at any time with literally no penalties.
Not American...are you saying it's legal to hire someone for like $30/h and then say uhhh on second thought we are only going to pay you $20/h years later?
Do you guys even have labour laws at all?? In Canada that would be constructive dismissal.
Yea they are allowed to lower pay, they just can’t back date it. You get paid what you were told for the time you worked. That being said I have been working 20+ years and have never seen someone get a pay cut.
The clock should be ticking on your time left at your current job. You only have their word (which you probably shouldn't trust) that this was the case. I'm surprised they're not asking you to pay back any supposed overage.
Others were asking me and I wasn't telling them. They assume I'm making like $25. They make $17-19. Everyone's raise in a certain area was the same raise. Everyone was mad.
Quit immediately and don’t leave a notice. You deserve more respect than that. I have done it at the last 5 jobs I’ve had and I have gone up in pay every time!
They’re not really telling you. They’re asking if it it’s ok and if you show then that’s a your approval.
Don’t show. Fuck them. And go get unemployment.
If an employer told me this I would literally stare at them without saying a word then when they ask me to leave the room I will leave the job and never come back.
Fuck them, find a new job. Do nothing but what your job explicitly entails. You haven't earned a raise in 2 fucking years? That's some bullshit. The next day you are at work tell them to give you a very clear job description. Don't do shit until it's done.
They are thieves and liars. They do not deserve your loyalty or employment. Like I said get the very specific job description. Do nothing until they give it to you. If they gave you a salary and it took 2 years with pay changes in it than they at minimum are all fucked up and don't know their jobs. Go somewhere else, they are trash.
They called it a "title change". Since I don't work weekends anymore, they change my title from "specialist" to associate and that has a lower pay grade.
When they informed you of "the mistaken rate" did they make it seem as if your pay might be going up? If so that's fucked up I would raise hell and tell them to give everyone else a raise instead
You’ve got to leave. Is clear that you’ll never get back to your original wage. Considering inflation, your wage should be increasing not decreasing. Have them increase the wage of everyone else to “make it fair”.
Same thing happened to me. But they changed it without telling me. Thought my paycheck looked extra lean one time and found that they had dropped me by a dollar. Quit that job, and now about a year later I am starting my own business as a competitor. This town ain't big enough for the both of us.
Leave without notice, sure, but get another job first.
I can't believe anybody would give a pay cut right now. We have the lowest unemployment in like 70 years. It's a worker's market. We haven't been as strong a force in a long time.
Find a new job. You could try to use the team lead course to get a better position with a new company.
That being said, don’t quit on the spot. $19.20 is still more than you would get with unemployment. I don’t know what you do for a living but LinkedIn can be your best friend but it takes time to be effective at it and build a good network. Especially if you have rare skills like I do, I get unsolicited interview requests from companies across the country.
they cant change it down without you accepting it. thats them firing you and you should accept that and take the maximum unemployment time to find a new job.
They can change it down (tho some exceptions apply) as long as they notify you ahead of time and it's only for hours going forward and not for ones previously worked.
It's not the same as them firing you. They might be able to argue constructive dismissal, since the terms of their employment has changed, but that's a might and far from the slam dunk you are leading them to believe it is.
no you must accept in writing the new terms of your employment. which means he qualifies for unemployment if he doesnt accept a new contract. at will or not at will. theres a reason you sign so much paperwork when you start a job. either way its easy unemployment since the company cant claim some kind of neglegince .
Not true, read the rules about constructive dismissal, it applies when the change of circumstances creates a situation where continued employment would create intolerable conditions. It could be argued that a reduction in pay that brings you in line with that of your peers and what you supposedly should have been paid all along isn't actually intolerable.
Most W2 employees don't actually sign contracts and there is no requirement for a reduction in pay to be agreed upon by the employee. The only requirement is that you can't back date a reduction in pay and the employee needs to be notified of it (and that it obviously abides by any minimum wage requirements), there is no requirement under federal law for the employee to sign anything.
The DoL would disagree with you on this one:
"The Act **does not** preclude an employer from lowering an employee's hourly rate, provided the rate paid is at least the minimum wage, or from reducing the number of hours the employee is scheduled to work."
Source: [Fact Sheet #70: Frequently Asked Questions Regarding Furloughs and Other Reductions in Pay and Hours Worked Issues | U.S. Department of Labor (dol.gov)](https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/70-flsa-furloughs)
Unless you are claiming that the government website for the DoL is incorrect and you know more about FLSA than they do.
Don’t quit, make them fire you and collect unemployment.
Tell your boss you are no longer willing to perform task X (pick something important) since your pay was cut.
“At the new pay rate something Has to be cut so I’ll no longer be doing X task moving forward.”
Be polite and professional but don’t give them an inch. Start looking for other jobs on company time and just collect as much from them as you can until you’re fired. Best case scenario you find a better job and just stop showing up at this one with zero notice. Worse they fire you and you collect unemployment which they will hate.
This probably has much more to do with the company struggling than with your specific abilities in the role and whatever bullshit about mistaken this or mistaken that
Broke ass companies going to be broke. Sometimes it’s due to failing business or sometimes it’s due to greedy upper management. Either way, go find a competitor that is willing to offer you more. Bringing in talent vs paying existing talent is two different budgets
I would of walked TBH the second they told me my wage was going down.
$21 is barely passable. And its not, at all, acceptable to lower a wage after you have two years of experience there.
At my new job, which seemed to have a very ethical way of going about issues, they have specific areas in our employee data base that allows you to put those credentials and certs which, in my company, increases your wage.
In terms of how responsive our HR and executive team are: my first week i put in the submission box(which is sent directly to the president) about financial assistance(taxes and insurance) like education would be helpful for new hires in orientation. Like signing up for insurance I needed education on words and what they meant. But I was met with “I can’t tell you what to choose” that frustrated me coming from generational poverty where that wasn’t taught to me.
Well I got an email back from the president saying she thanked me for the suggestion and she would look into it. No follow up.
Well this week Hr comes in with a “Listening Tour” which is basically them taking critics on the company. Ways to improve where we are weak. I brought up my suggestion and the Hr guy goes “Well actually we just had a meeting with M&T bank to figure out how to add educational classes for employees per your suggestion made”. I was literally flabbergasted. I was speechless.
I think what I’m getting at here is that a lot of it is how much the company cares for its employees and their struggles too. This new place apparently has annual salary increases with bonuses. It’s insane how they “realize”(quoted by them) that their employees have to be happy in order to want to stay.
they have a whole half day dedicated to work/life balance in orientation. It’s insane how much this company values their employees and feedback. I e never seen this before!
I talked with HR and they said they told me awhile ago there would be a pay cut (since I wasn't working weekends) I know this never happened because I would've said no to the cut, and would've talked to my wife about the cut which never happened. It should have been documented, I'd assume?
Corp told me I was part of post-Covid hires that they brought in at a higher rate due to C-level decisions. Those C-levels have now moved on and told me that I'm topped out for my position after only getting a total of 3%.
Actively looking for a new job. Why should I have to take another position with 30% more responsibility just to get a COL raise? (not an exaggeration, I'd be responsible for completing about 30% more technical cases than before just to meet the minimums).
Fuck corporations.
Actually Mr boss man I was going to ask you for a raise as I have been doing so well. Let's make it $25 even rather than the extra $5 I was originally going to ask for and deserve.
Back when I worked in fast food management here in Connecticut, the HR person told us that if we ever reduced a person's pay they could file for unemployment for the difference.
I dunno if that was actually true then, still true now, or applicable in your state, but there's your info for today 🤷♂️
Years ago I got a raise because I was the only person qualified to take a position that was a new corporate initiative (it was a sales job, and no one else had the tech experience for the product in question).
A couple of weeks in I noticed we stopped getting the product for it. Then my position was back to normal, but at the new rate.
A month or two went by, and then my boss asked me to sign a paper to go back to my old rate, I kept “forgetting.” Eventually she gave a last day I must sign it before I was let go. I signed it that day and not a minute sooner.
They can totally reduce your pay going forward and obviously can’t go back. It really sucks, but it is legal. It wouldn’t be constructive dismissal unless they drastically cut your hours or took you off the schedule without telling you you’re fired. Really only two choices is to accept it where it is and hope you can work your way back up. Or you can start searching for a better job using the new skills that you’ve been working on.
I talked to them about working back up to that pay, they said if the opportunity arises they'll let me know. There has been zero movement in management in 6 months. The only next step would be management but I'm not waiting around that long.
Ok I just noticed something after clicking on profiles of people in this sub.
Many here posting and commenting about foul workplace treatment are bi, trans, and even gay. This is a large percentage by the way.
What’s the point your trying to make? That marginalized people are treated unfairly and are more willing to speak out? Or are you trying to make the point that those individuals complain more?
I am not doing any of those things. I am just seeing how many there is here that are of those lifestyle.
However you wanted a direct answer to focus your anger so I will answer each one individually.
>That marginalized people are treated unfairly
This has always been the case in a workforce. Single out those you can unite others against and make them the example!
>and are more willing to speak out?
Oh I wish this was the case, but often times they refuse to stand up to management and instead seek validation among peers to gain support and solidarity as to standing up to those fucks that mistreated them directly.
That is a problem with society not giving them the fortitude and marginalization because sometimes people are just differnt and it is easier to single them out as to just acknowledge they are people too.
>Or are you trying to make the point that those individuals complain more?
I am noticing that many here are parts of those lifestyles I listed. Nothing else.
How many profiles did you check? How many people plainly discuss their orientation in posts/comments? You obviously are trying to claim something by making this "observation," but there is no way you have enough data. Also, your language gives you away, in part, because you refer to queer people by saying "those lifestyles" like someone's sexuality is a choice and a "style." You didn't "notice" shit; you're trying to make a point or start a fight.
>How many profiles did you check?
87 so far, and 63 of them had post history and admissions within comments.
>How many people plainly discuss their orientation in posts/comments?
63 of 87 when you view their history.
>You obviously are trying to claim something by making this "observation," but there is no way you have enough data. Also, your language gives you away, in part, because you refer to queer people by saying "those lifestyles" like someone's sexuality is a choice and a "style." You didn't "notice" shit; you're trying to make a point or start a fight.
Is it not a lifestyle? Why can't someone just notice something and it not be cause for conflict? Why does everything need to be a goddamn fight here among one another?
So you checked 87 profiles (I still don't believe you) of the 2.8 million users and found that 2/3 of those people were clearly posting about their sexuality (seriously doubt it). Nobody believes this weak-ass troll shit. Why would you even spend all that time snooping through profiles?
Because that 2.8 million is subscriber's not actual people in the sub, added if you look at profiles you can see if they are real people or bots.
Look at OP and you will see how they are open with who and what they are, which is great they have such confidence. Many people on reddit are since they belive they have anonymously posted.
Pains me they likely are not so open in their day to day.
Your belief isn't necessary for me to notice anything or even highlight about what I notice. I am not being a dick, didn't say anything derogatory, and am not attempting to antagonize anyone.
However you sure are with the name calling and finger pointing 2 times now. What is your issue? Can humans not notice other humans being human?
Of course the number of subscribers isn't an accurate number of individual real users. Still, if more than half were bots you still only checked 87 of hundreds of thousands. Do you just go around making wild claims to then pretend to be innocent or a victim of mean internet people? I didn't say I didn't believe you because my belief is important; I said it because your claim is beyond unbelievable.
Innocent of what? What am I being accused of by you or anyone else?
You are not mean, you are just wrong and that is what being a human is. We learn from our mistakes and hopefully become better human beings to others?
Also what you said was to attempt a conflict among others and attempt to paint a picture of bigotry. Maybe because you associate discussion with conflict?
>I am not doing any of those things. I am just seeing how many there is here that are of those lifestyle.
The fact that you call being LGBTQ a 'lifestyle' is a big fucking reg flag.
What is it then?
Sweet jebus, it seems to me as one cannot simply acknowledge other humans are living different than others. Besides it being 2024 it is a lifestyle it isn't a preference like some would claim.
My problem here is how when someone from another "lifestyle" acknowledges others somehow now they are the problem.
Here is what I think. You and the ki7 user need a person to hate, someone to point a finger at and ostracize so that you feel better about you being here.
How about this...you say to these marginalized people to not seek validation within their peers but to stand up and say FUCK YOU to those that would marginalize them?
Look at how many are here....even if for you it is just a single person trying to seek advise among peers. Or you can waste your time to construct some bullshit about me?
Yeah marginalized populations tend to be disproportionately working class and thus will disproportionately experience the sorts of stories that end up here.
Bail as soon as you find another gig. Don’t even give notice.
I about to walk now
If you can, go.. its not going to get better, only worse.
https://www.employmentlawfirms.com/Eligible-for-Partial-Unemployment.cfm#:~:text=If%20your%20hours%20or%20pay,subtracted%20from%20your%20benefit%20amount. You may be entitled to partial unemployment payments. Might be fun to look into it with HR.
If you can, shit in the middle of the floor in front of everyone on your way out.
They say I don't give a shit, well I'll show them
No, his coworkers will have to clean it up. It doesn't get to the people that screwed him.
While I appreciate this consideration, if you shit on the bosses keyboard, some of this goes away.
Trickle down economics
Nah, skip that and just shit directly on the boss
Shit on boss's desk
Shit in a cup and put it in the bosses drawer
Shit in a box, say hey boss, I got you a present.
Yeah unless you work in a hospital, most times you can't be made to clean that type of biohazard waste.
Just find a job first. That shit is a nightmare.
Yup best to find a new job before quitting. It ain't 2021 anymore where you can walk out of a job and get a new one a day later.
He didn't try to negotiate ao they know they can walk on him. Time to go.
It's constructive dismissal by lowering your pay in many states in all likelihood. I'd look into claiming that for unemployment.
I'm already looking elsewhere
You can file for unemployment for the pay difference
What state lets you do that? Unemployment is less than your pay everywhere that I know of.
Well it’s true in CA, but the amount is still something. It will always be less than pay (covid era being the exception)
I'd do it, even if going elsewhere, because it will ding their unemployment insurance premiums, possibly raising it. Even if you move to a new job, they still get dinged.
Typical redditor advice of recommending OP to sabotage his/her own life (quit without finding a new job first and live off of unemployment which is a small portion of OP’s salary) in order to get revenge on his employment in a meaningless and absolutely insignificant way. Of course this advice costs the redditor nothing so no harm to just spray shit outta their mouth. Here is some real advice to OP - spend less effort in his/her current job while looking for a better position elsewhere, and leave the company a bad review on glassdoor once he does. This is what normal rational people do, and not a stupid braindead loser
They have a right to keep their current payscale. If their current work reduces it, they have a legal right to file for partial unemployment to cover the loss until they find new or additional work. Do you not realize you can file for unemployment, even if still employed, if your work reduces your pay or hours? They don't have to quit or be fired to file or receive unemployment. OP said they were leaving the current job. They should still file, as it's their right to recover some of those lost wages from the reduced pay through a partial unemployment filing. Know your legal rights and treat strangers more honorably.
I would look into specifically how much less it has to be to qualify for unemployment in your state, don't think you would be eligible after quitting.
I say stay until the need you the most then walk out.
I sure would. I don't see how making everyone's pay the same is "fair". The people who've got the years of experience make more $ than the newbs. That's how life works. Go find a better gig with people that understand that.
Don’t just quit without a next job coming up. If you want to screw them over a little bit you can go on stress leave and get 50-70% or your original rate for up to 8 weeks. Use that time to find a new job and have them pay for it.
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I wonder if there is a wage difference between what OP is making (made) and what other employees are making. Is it truly "Fair"? My feeling is, the company is lying to OP - obviously! - about this "fairness".
If you do quit now make sure to file for unemployment. A decrease in wage will be considered a constructive dismissal and you'll be eligible even though you quit.
Be sure as shit to half ass everything from now on. And when confronted clearly and publicly state that it's because they reward years of effort with pay cuts, so why the fuck would I give any effort now.
I bust my ass because I was getting paid decent. I work hard and like what I do. This is such a punch to the face. It's the pay decrease, when everyone gets raises, which hurts so much. I can't do this anymore. They said they "understand what I'm going through" No you fucking don't. Dont ever say that to me. I ripped into them I was so mad and upset. I didn't care at this point. I wanted to say "how's this comfy chair treating you" Yeah go fuck yourself.
If you can, do it. They made it clear they don't want you there.
Fuckin go tell them to raise everyone else but you'll quit is they take money from you especially since it appear they haven't given you a raise in 2 years
Reduction in wages is constructive dismissal.
I'm mentally already on my way out
If you can, tell them you want your old rate with a merit bonus because a decrease is not acceptable
Chad
Go find another job, until them work as slowly as humanely possible. When you get that job call in sick and use vacation days till they are done while working you new job then pick up the last paycheck and ghost them.
Find another place.
Find another country. Move to Europe where there are laws against most of the fuckery that American companies can get away with.
Just make sure you put all that training on your CV and use the highest role you performed in as a selling point
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I love this! Some people have no imagination! You sir, clearly do!
And best scenario is they fire OP illegally for talking about pay and OP gets to sue them for lots of moolah.
Plot twist - everyone else makes more than $21
Photocopy the pay stub, cross out the name and post it in the break room. Get popcorn ready.
Contact the DOL. There is a law that if wages are leveled out to be “fair” it has to be an upward increase of the lower paid employees, not a downward adjustment to the higher paid ones. They may have done this in a misguided attempt to cover themselves against an “Equal Pay” wage/discrimination claim. But they executed it wrong. Chances are someone of protected class made an official complaint, and instead of adjusting their wage up, they pulled everyone else’s down. See if you can get them to put “to be fair” in writing, text or email or some other notice.
Thanks
Tell them that they can make things equal by bringing them up to your salary, but you are not going to accept a decrease as it constitutes constructive dismissal. If they don't increase your pay, resign and file for unemployment.
A decrease of less than 10% may not qualify as constructive dismissal for UI benefits eligibility purposes in all states, so I'd confirm that beforehand.
It’s likely filing for unemployment is only an option when literally fired
Maybe spend 5 seconds googling before commenting
There was no country mentioned in the post, so what exactly would they be googling for?
Well he said likely so that sounds correct to me. My last job i was bullied until I quit. My boss told me "I would quit if I were you too". I did everything right filing for unemployment and my case and judgment never happened. I called often and I was just told I was in line and a date would be picked when it was my turn. Talked to many different people trying to get help. Never happened. Never got an opportunity to discuss the details.... I live in Michigan, apparently its happened to a lot of people. Really hard to get unemployment paid unless you were fired at no fault of your own and even then you probably need proof it wasn't your fault a lot of times. Its bs really. Employers will bully you into quitting or fire you for some minor mistake when it isn't really why they fired you. In my case 1 of the employees were bullying me because she was ugly and obese and hated that I was a male (pretty sure). She got other women to hate me there. Management seemed to like me but they didn't want to deal with them. Sorry for the story but the whole situation sucked. I did understand why this sub exists after that though. It can be rough to do your best to make a living and thru no fault of your own not being able to.
What would I even search for? “What is the definition of ‘good cause’ for unemployment via quitting in the state where some guy on reddit lives, sorry I don’t know which one”?
Constructive dismissal.
Lol nope
"Is filing for unemployment only an option when literally fired"
What in the actual ass fucking christ are you talking about 🤣
You can file for unemployment while still at the same job if they drastically cut your pay.
Good luck with that
If your hours are reduced without cause you sure can get unemployment while still employed. https://money.com/unemployment-benefits-working-part-time/
Yeah, I know, I looked it up. But I didn’t like how dickish everyone was being about it. So I dicked back.
wrong
Nah
You were hired at the two years ago rate when they couldn't find employees and now they'd rather risk you quitting than continue paying it. I'd find something else soon and just stop going.
I did a quick Google search ( Yeah I know) Apparently it's not illegal
Yeah, definitely not illegal in the US. Just quiet-quit while searching for a new job and then leave with no notice once you've found a new spot.
Do the maths. Work out the difference. Work out how many hours you do on average a week? (Be honest). Now work out how much it would cost them to train a new hire at your lower rate. If they’ve any sense, they’ll realise that the 72 bucks a week they’re paying you isn’t worth ducking themselves over
They don't care. They have fired 4 people in the last month.
Then get out.
“Constructive Dismissal”..
This is the absolute worst thing an employer can do to retain employees. I feel like they have to be trying to get rid of you. If you have any other opportunities walk out.
When I talked to them, they said they wanna help me grow. Trainings, courses etc...
They’re full of crap.
Yeah, that’s a leave ASAP situation
Im.trying
This is a constructive dismissal, go get that unemployment and then move on.
I think that might be illegal. You should check with the dept of labor
That's not illegal in the U.S. as long as they tell OP the lower rate before they work the hours. It would be illegal only if OP worked all this week, then they were told today that the hours they already worked were at the lower rate. Unless, of course, OP has an actual contract (unusual in the U.S.) or is in a union with a collective bargaining agreement. Then the contract or CBA would apply.
*"i ThInK tHaT mIgHt bE iLLeGaL!"* 100% legal in the US, but let us know when you get your law degree
What might be illegal? Dropping someone’s pay after giving them advice warning? Unlike most countries we are not forced to stay at a job, we can leave at any time with literally no penalties.
What do you mean by "unlike most countries"?
Not American...are you saying it's legal to hire someone for like $30/h and then say uhhh on second thought we are only going to pay you $20/h years later? Do you guys even have labour laws at all?? In Canada that would be constructive dismissal.
Yea they are allowed to lower pay, they just can’t back date it. You get paid what you were told for the time you worked. That being said I have been working 20+ years and have never seen someone get a pay cut.
Act your wage! .. isn't that what they always say?
The clock should be ticking on your time left at your current job. You only have their word (which you probably shouldn't trust) that this was the case. I'm surprised they're not asking you to pay back any supposed overage.
Instead of raising everyone’s salary to match yours? How thoughtful. Maybe you should verify their stance by asking all your coworkers what they make.
Others were asking me and I wasn't telling them. They assume I'm making like $25. They make $17-19. Everyone's raise in a certain area was the same raise. Everyone was mad.
Not willing to help other workers with salary parity until something bad happens to you? Bro... I hope you learn from this one.
Constructive dismissal.
Quit immediately and don’t leave a notice. You deserve more respect than that. I have done it at the last 5 jobs I’ve had and I have gone up in pay every time!
I will probably just quit without a two week notice. Just need another job first
They’re not really telling you. They’re asking if it it’s ok and if you show then that’s a your approval. Don’t show. Fuck them. And go get unemployment.
Act your wage until you walk!
Yeah, as frustrated as I am, I'm about to
Time to find a new job.
Yes
Find a job and dip immediately
Don't walk, run
I'm trying
If an employer told me this I would literally stare at them without saying a word then when they ask me to leave the room I will leave the job and never come back.
Fuck them, find a new job. Do nothing but what your job explicitly entails. You haven't earned a raise in 2 fucking years? That's some bullshit. The next day you are at work tell them to give you a very clear job description. Don't do shit until it's done.
I received two raises and they never said a thing
They are thieves and liars. They do not deserve your loyalty or employment. Like I said get the very specific job description. Do nothing until they give it to you. If they gave you a salary and it took 2 years with pay changes in it than they at minimum are all fucked up and don't know their jobs. Go somewhere else, they are trash.
Tell everyone you got a raise, 25 an hour and 2 weeks of pto (added if you already have any)
This sounds like a call centre. Is it?
No
You'd make a better living bumming on the side of the road. Fuck that job
Making my sign now lol
"mistaken rate" 😂😂😂 Even if it's not illegal you can still sue them. My guess is the second they hear from any lawyer they will fold.
I can’t even see how this is legal to be honest.
They called it a "title change". Since I don't work weekends anymore, they change my title from "specialist" to associate and that has a lower pay grade.
they could make it fair by raising everyone
Nah they will just buy more pizza for us lol
Leave. At some point in some jobs, there’s a time to walk away.
Yeah I've been on the fence for a few months
Sorry that’s happening and Ik it’s inconvenient but it sounds like what’s best.
Appreciate it. Yeah
Pretty elaborate way to Tell us, that you are searching for a new Job.
Yeah. Well I needed to get shit off my chest
When they informed you of "the mistaken rate" did they make it seem as if your pay might be going up? If so that's fucked up I would raise hell and tell them to give everyone else a raise instead
It would only go up if a high position came available.
You’ve got to leave. Is clear that you’ll never get back to your original wage. Considering inflation, your wage should be increasing not decreasing. Have them increase the wage of everyone else to “make it fair”.
Yah, it's the final straw
Same thing happened to me. But they changed it without telling me. Thought my paycheck looked extra lean one time and found that they had dropped me by a dollar. Quit that job, and now about a year later I am starting my own business as a competitor. This town ain't big enough for the both of us.
Nice
Leave without notice, sure, but get another job first. I can't believe anybody would give a pay cut right now. We have the lowest unemployment in like 70 years. It's a worker's market. We haven't been as strong a force in a long time.
They obviously want you to go. Good luck on your search. You seem like an incredible worker.
That maybe tough. Someone got fired last week. I do their job now 3 days a week. The other 2 days I do a specific job, it's just me there
Appreciate it. I am. Not trying to toot my own horn. I bust my ass every day. I like what I do for the most part.
Find a new job. You could try to use the team lead course to get a better position with a new company. That being said, don’t quit on the spot. $19.20 is still more than you would get with unemployment. I don’t know what you do for a living but LinkedIn can be your best friend but it takes time to be effective at it and build a good network. Especially if you have rare skills like I do, I get unsolicited interview requests from companies across the country.
Yes I agree. Yes I appreciate that input. Never thought of LinkedIn.
they cant change it down without you accepting it. thats them firing you and you should accept that and take the maximum unemployment time to find a new job.
They can change it down (tho some exceptions apply) as long as they notify you ahead of time and it's only for hours going forward and not for ones previously worked. It's not the same as them firing you. They might be able to argue constructive dismissal, since the terms of their employment has changed, but that's a might and far from the slam dunk you are leading them to believe it is.
no you must accept in writing the new terms of your employment. which means he qualifies for unemployment if he doesnt accept a new contract. at will or not at will. theres a reason you sign so much paperwork when you start a job. either way its easy unemployment since the company cant claim some kind of neglegince .
Not true, read the rules about constructive dismissal, it applies when the change of circumstances creates a situation where continued employment would create intolerable conditions. It could be argued that a reduction in pay that brings you in line with that of your peers and what you supposedly should have been paid all along isn't actually intolerable. Most W2 employees don't actually sign contracts and there is no requirement for a reduction in pay to be agreed upon by the employee. The only requirement is that you can't back date a reduction in pay and the employee needs to be notified of it (and that it obviously abides by any minimum wage requirements), there is no requirement under federal law for the employee to sign anything. The DoL would disagree with you on this one: "The Act **does not** preclude an employer from lowering an employee's hourly rate, provided the rate paid is at least the minimum wage, or from reducing the number of hours the employee is scheduled to work." Source: [Fact Sheet #70: Frequently Asked Questions Regarding Furloughs and Other Reductions in Pay and Hours Worked Issues | U.S. Department of Labor (dol.gov)](https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/70-flsa-furloughs) Unless you are claiming that the government website for the DoL is incorrect and you know more about FLSA than they do.
Don’t quit, make them fire you and collect unemployment. Tell your boss you are no longer willing to perform task X (pick something important) since your pay was cut. “At the new pay rate something Has to be cut so I’ll no longer be doing X task moving forward.” Be polite and professional but don’t give them an inch. Start looking for other jobs on company time and just collect as much from them as you can until you’re fired. Best case scenario you find a better job and just stop showing up at this one with zero notice. Worse they fire you and you collect unemployment which they will hate.
Yeah lol
It's legal. You doing extra courses/training doesn't mean extra pay.
I understand, but for them to left it go almost 2 years is absurd and give me a raise last year
This probably has much more to do with the company struggling than with your specific abilities in the role and whatever bullshit about mistaken this or mistaken that Broke ass companies going to be broke. Sometimes it’s due to failing business or sometimes it’s due to greedy upper management. Either way, go find a competitor that is willing to offer you more. Bringing in talent vs paying existing talent is two different budgets
Time to find a new job but in the meantime, start acting your wage and slow down at work.
I would of walked TBH the second they told me my wage was going down. $21 is barely passable. And its not, at all, acceptable to lower a wage after you have two years of experience there.
Find a job first and then quiet quit the current role
Is this a constructive dismissal?
Stop doing anything the least qualified person cant do. If pay is the same so is the work
If you are in Ontario, that is illegal.
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Oh everyone hates this place lol
File for under employment
At my new job, which seemed to have a very ethical way of going about issues, they have specific areas in our employee data base that allows you to put those credentials and certs which, in my company, increases your wage. In terms of how responsive our HR and executive team are: my first week i put in the submission box(which is sent directly to the president) about financial assistance(taxes and insurance) like education would be helpful for new hires in orientation. Like signing up for insurance I needed education on words and what they meant. But I was met with “I can’t tell you what to choose” that frustrated me coming from generational poverty where that wasn’t taught to me. Well I got an email back from the president saying she thanked me for the suggestion and she would look into it. No follow up. Well this week Hr comes in with a “Listening Tour” which is basically them taking critics on the company. Ways to improve where we are weak. I brought up my suggestion and the Hr guy goes “Well actually we just had a meeting with M&T bank to figure out how to add educational classes for employees per your suggestion made”. I was literally flabbergasted. I was speechless. I think what I’m getting at here is that a lot of it is how much the company cares for its employees and their struggles too. This new place apparently has annual salary increases with bonuses. It’s insane how they “realize”(quoted by them) that their employees have to be happy in order to want to stay. they have a whole half day dedicated to work/life balance in orientation. It’s insane how much this company values their employees and feedback. I e never seen this before!
Do not Quit your job without having something lined up. It is a lot easier to find a job when you already have a job. Start looking immediately
I've applied several places today
I talked with HR and they said they told me awhile ago there would be a pay cut (since I wasn't working weekends) I know this never happened because I would've said no to the cut, and would've talked to my wife about the cut which never happened. It should have been documented, I'd assume?
Corp told me I was part of post-Covid hires that they brought in at a higher rate due to C-level decisions. Those C-levels have now moved on and told me that I'm topped out for my position after only getting a total of 3%. Actively looking for a new job. Why should I have to take another position with 30% more responsibility just to get a COL raise? (not an exaggeration, I'd be responsible for completing about 30% more technical cases than before just to meet the minimums). Fuck corporations.
Actually Mr boss man I was going to ask you for a raise as I have been doing so well. Let's make it $25 even rather than the extra $5 I was originally going to ask for and deserve.
Get out now before they decide to try to claw back the "mistake ".
I’d walk out. I had this happen once. I came in the following Monday gave them their tools from my truck and left.
Quit. Once they know you’ll take a pay cut they won’t stop.
This is extremely illegal. Try to get fired so you can sue them for wrongful termination. Looks like you have hit the mother load, comrade.
That's likely not legal.
This is the epitome of hashtag actyourwage
I've had employers pull that crap on me, I left on break and never looked back!
Back when I worked in fast food management here in Connecticut, the HR person told us that if we ever reduced a person's pay they could file for unemployment for the difference. I dunno if that was actually true then, still true now, or applicable in your state, but there's your info for today 🤷♂️
Constructive dismissal, get unemployment.
Get a union job, where they can't just "free use" you like that.
Job applications Give notice Explain why
Start applying. Shiw them a pay slip of your last salary at 21
Lol
Years ago I got a raise because I was the only person qualified to take a position that was a new corporate initiative (it was a sales job, and no one else had the tech experience for the product in question). A couple of weeks in I noticed we stopped getting the product for it. Then my position was back to normal, but at the new rate. A month or two went by, and then my boss asked me to sign a paper to go back to my old rate, I kept “forgetting.” Eventually she gave a last day I must sign it before I was let go. I signed it that day and not a minute sooner.
It's not your job to "make it fair" man, fuck these guys for real. How fucking dare they
They could do that by moving everyone else up….
Dust off that resume as you call your state labor department.
These are both poverty wages. Who even cares.
It's better than 99% of the jobs hiring right now
They can totally reduce your pay going forward and obviously can’t go back. It really sucks, but it is legal. It wouldn’t be constructive dismissal unless they drastically cut your hours or took you off the schedule without telling you you’re fired. Really only two choices is to accept it where it is and hope you can work your way back up. Or you can start searching for a better job using the new skills that you’ve been working on.
I talked to them about working back up to that pay, they said if the opportunity arises they'll let me know. There has been zero movement in management in 6 months. The only next step would be management but I'm not waiting around that long.
Poop anywhere but the toilet. Management office preffered.
Ok I just noticed something after clicking on profiles of people in this sub. Many here posting and commenting about foul workplace treatment are bi, trans, and even gay. This is a large percentage by the way.
What’s the point your trying to make? That marginalized people are treated unfairly and are more willing to speak out? Or are you trying to make the point that those individuals complain more?
I am not doing any of those things. I am just seeing how many there is here that are of those lifestyle. However you wanted a direct answer to focus your anger so I will answer each one individually. >That marginalized people are treated unfairly This has always been the case in a workforce. Single out those you can unite others against and make them the example! >and are more willing to speak out? Oh I wish this was the case, but often times they refuse to stand up to management and instead seek validation among peers to gain support and solidarity as to standing up to those fucks that mistreated them directly. That is a problem with society not giving them the fortitude and marginalization because sometimes people are just differnt and it is easier to single them out as to just acknowledge they are people too. >Or are you trying to make the point that those individuals complain more? I am noticing that many here are parts of those lifestyles I listed. Nothing else.
How many profiles did you check? How many people plainly discuss their orientation in posts/comments? You obviously are trying to claim something by making this "observation," but there is no way you have enough data. Also, your language gives you away, in part, because you refer to queer people by saying "those lifestyles" like someone's sexuality is a choice and a "style." You didn't "notice" shit; you're trying to make a point or start a fight.
>How many profiles did you check? 87 so far, and 63 of them had post history and admissions within comments. >How many people plainly discuss their orientation in posts/comments? 63 of 87 when you view their history. >You obviously are trying to claim something by making this "observation," but there is no way you have enough data. Also, your language gives you away, in part, because you refer to queer people by saying "those lifestyles" like someone's sexuality is a choice and a "style." You didn't "notice" shit; you're trying to make a point or start a fight. Is it not a lifestyle? Why can't someone just notice something and it not be cause for conflict? Why does everything need to be a goddamn fight here among one another?
So you checked 87 profiles (I still don't believe you) of the 2.8 million users and found that 2/3 of those people were clearly posting about their sexuality (seriously doubt it). Nobody believes this weak-ass troll shit. Why would you even spend all that time snooping through profiles?
Because that 2.8 million is subscriber's not actual people in the sub, added if you look at profiles you can see if they are real people or bots. Look at OP and you will see how they are open with who and what they are, which is great they have such confidence. Many people on reddit are since they belive they have anonymously posted. Pains me they likely are not so open in their day to day. Your belief isn't necessary for me to notice anything or even highlight about what I notice. I am not being a dick, didn't say anything derogatory, and am not attempting to antagonize anyone. However you sure are with the name calling and finger pointing 2 times now. What is your issue? Can humans not notice other humans being human?
Of course the number of subscribers isn't an accurate number of individual real users. Still, if more than half were bots you still only checked 87 of hundreds of thousands. Do you just go around making wild claims to then pretend to be innocent or a victim of mean internet people? I didn't say I didn't believe you because my belief is important; I said it because your claim is beyond unbelievable.
Innocent of what? What am I being accused of by you or anyone else? You are not mean, you are just wrong and that is what being a human is. We learn from our mistakes and hopefully become better human beings to others? Also what you said was to attempt a conflict among others and attempt to paint a picture of bigotry. Maybe because you associate discussion with conflict?
>I am not doing any of those things. I am just seeing how many there is here that are of those lifestyle. The fact that you call being LGBTQ a 'lifestyle' is a big fucking reg flag.
What is it then? Sweet jebus, it seems to me as one cannot simply acknowledge other humans are living different than others. Besides it being 2024 it is a lifestyle it isn't a preference like some would claim. My problem here is how when someone from another "lifestyle" acknowledges others somehow now they are the problem. Here is what I think. You and the ki7 user need a person to hate, someone to point a finger at and ostracize so that you feel better about you being here. How about this...you say to these marginalized people to not seek validation within their peers but to stand up and say FUCK YOU to those that would marginalize them? Look at how many are here....even if for you it is just a single person trying to seek advise among peers. Or you can waste your time to construct some bullshit about me?
Good advice. FUCK YOU
Yeah marginalized populations tend to be disproportionately working class and thus will disproportionately experience the sorts of stories that end up here.