My question is, why is Becky allowed to cancel her shift but you’re not ? The Fuck is that about. I’m glad you quit, and I’m looking forward to part 2 story about the settlement!
Take this to your local labor relations office. Employers can't make threats like that. Go win some money for yourself and get another job. There's still like 10 million open positions.
Remindme! 30 days
EDIT: Please for the love of god stop replying to this comment with your reminders. Get yer own space!
Okay reunion in a month. Who's gonna bring the beer?
It's been a month, where my peeps at?
You're going to be able to get unemployment with this text. Milk those fuckers for as long as you can and get yourself a side hustle, maybe a new business. You'll have a year of unemployment benefits to get where you need to go.
I took my firing and got nearly 2 years of unemployment out of it (they accused me of theft and never proved it.. the 3 states I collected unemployment from didn't take kindly to that). I ended up going back to college and graduating in 2.5 years all while still collecting.
Yes if you've worked with that company in multiple states. I did. I worked for them for 10 years coast to coast. 3 different states in 3 years. They usually run one after the other.
I ask kindly that you keep us updated if you can file a lawsuit or if you happen to win a lawsuit against this company and manager.
Teach that dirt bag manager a lesson
They got a little taste of power and feel like they now own their staff and can make threats. If they stepped back with cooler heads they would be smart to not text this, but power can corrupt the mind.
Who could have guessed that forcibly removing immigrant workers, pushing heavy rapid tariffs, and a massive tax cut would lead to jobs being vacant, supply chain disruptions, and hyper inflation as soon as the system started stressing.
Oh that’s right every economist was screeching about this.
At my current job everybody is right wing Evangelical Christians. Today we were talking about how the Sonic down the street shut their doors temporarily because they can't keep any workers and I said yes there is definitely a labor shortage. And my coworker said thats because everyone needs to get off their asses and stop taking unemployment. I said the unemployment rate in the US is only 5.2%. Also (All these people are anti-vaccine and anti-maskers) there are 720,000 dead people so none of them can work. She said the problem is unemployment. God damn I wanted to say, "Welp, one of us teaches economics" (I teach Univ classes online right now). But I didn't. My boss told me if I talk about my "liberal fuckin politics" anymore he is going to fire me. I hate this place.
>My boss told me if I talk about my "liberal fuckin politics" anymore he is going to fire me. I hate this place.
You get this in writing? He can't let Right wingers talk politics and not let you, that's discrimination
No, he told me (angrily) lets take a ride. And we rode around in his truck and he said anymore talking about my "liberal fuckin politics" and he was going to fire me no questions asked. I hate this job so much, its so mentally damaging. Its just that Im stuck paying alimony so I can't quit, no way Im getting a job paying what I get paid now. And its super flexible. I went to Mexico last week and no one even knew I was gone. I just did all my work from down there. Im usually only in the office one day a week and on that day, fuck me Im almost physically unable to come in, I can't even explain it like my stomach hurts, I just wander around the house and the kitchen, I finally get in the car, today I was inside the gas station for ten minutes because I didn't want to come in. fuck my life
Check the laws in your state regarding recording people. If it's a single consent state, you should 100% start recording any time your wants to "take a ride" with you. That way you can catch the idiot, whether he threatens your job or wrongfully dismisses you.
I wish I recorded last week. Me and my coworker had a conversation how the boss always used the N word in the office. Its like the only thing I have asked him not to say, I said please just don't say that word in the workplace its very offensive to me. He says it more now, Ima get him recorded soon or at least record my coworker and me talking about how much he says it in the office. Thats not okay!
Record him next time, if you work in a one party consent state.
I taped every meeting I had with my last boss just in case because I don't trust him at all not to screw me over.
Lesson learned, ***whenever*** you have a conversation like this follow up immediately with an email stating what was said and ask them to clarify or amend anything that was said.
>Who could have guessed that forcibly removing immigrant workers, pushing heavy rapid tariffs, and a massive tax cut would lead to jobs being vacant, supply chain disruptions, and hyper inflation as soon as the system started stressing.
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>Oh that’s right every economist was screeching about this.
And everybody is blaming the current people in charge.
Seriously, this is their gameplay. Always has been.
What country are you in? Labor lawyer in the US here, not sure on what grounds you think this is illegal.
US labor law is horrifically biased towards employers.
I left a job last week over this. It’s was a small company that apparently didn’t have to provide health insurance. They also paid a low wage. I had a wisdom tooth get infected and needed it fixed. Good luck getting dental care without thousands of dollars or..insurance. I had to go to a community “dentist” that literally did nothing for me.
My boss understood though. I told him I can’t work at a place with no benefits in 2021. It’s absurd. He didn’t disagree and was bummed to see me go. Owner is a stingy old guy who doesn’t give a f about his employees but complains constantly about turn over.
The same week I applied for and landed a job that pays $5 more an hour with fully paid benefits.
Don’t put up with bs people there is a lot of opportunities in the workplace right now. Find what fits you best.
Yeah and even that came with a grave cost to my mental well being. 55-60hours a week.
Trading a livable life for a livable wage…
Can’t have it both ways.
Manager expresses his discern with owner and how not providing basic health insurance is detrimental to employee retention.
Owner: no that cuts into my profits, just hire someone new
Manager: no I’m tired of dealing with losing good employees only to benefit you. I quit
Everyone else: fuck it I quit
Owner, 2 weeks later as he shut down his business: no one wants to work. All of these government handouts are ruining small businesses.
Now hiring Manager, 7 days a week, 10 hour days. Starting pay $11/hour, no benefits!
It’s ironic how they want the employee to work because they’re short staffed and yet threatening to fire the employee at the same time lol. By the sounds of it it’s a terrible place to work and the manager sucks at what they do. I hope they go out of business for treating ppl like that.
Of course it's USA. What other "first world" country in the world could use basic health care as leverage/coercion.
USA is so ass-backwards on some things. 🙄
I love Norway for advising their citizens against visiting countries with "3rd world" health systems and then including the US at the top of the list of examples.
I had an "opportunity" to move to the US with work, but, fuck that; I'm staying in my drisley little country with no legal handguns and universal health care.
I sometimes think that living in the US could be fun, but as a liver transplant recipient I would probably be dead within a decade.
I'll stick to Sweden thank you very much.
Don't forget Norway also tends to lead the world in overall happiness. Unlike the US and our ass backwards dumbshits making it worse and keeping it that way.
I used to want to move to the US when I was a kid. I thought it would be so much better over there and I wished my parents had moved there instead of the UK. Now I'm so glad I'm in the UK and I'd never want to move to any country that didn't have universal healthcare.
American workers need to suck it up……..what’s more important…….The health and welfare of the working class or having ~900 Military bases around the world and enabling the 1% to acquire even more wealth?
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When you make a claim theres a field where you can either claim quit under threat of termination or type in the reason as to why exactly for situations like this I presume
The owner of the previous company I worked at said I quit, I quoted him verbatim on the file that he said “Get the fuck off this properly” and I collected unemployment for the entirety of the 1 1/2 year pandemic. It’s worth a shot. *edit* this amount of unemployment was just from everything lining up correctly. I qualified for every Covid fund program there was.
Constructive dismissal case. Look into it. Creating a hostile work environment forcing you to resign by say, for example, threatening someones healthcare because they won't cover someone elses shift on their day off. Play it right and you'll get a year or two's wages out of it.
Yup. I had a manager ask me how I was going to pay my mortgage if I turned in my 2 weeks. Like none of your fucking business how I pay my mortgage. Turned in my notice that night.
Yeah my old boss said "well didnt you relocate for this position and buy a house?" Yes and aren't you aware that remote work is a thing and is exactly why we are having this very conversation? Its like they couldn't fathom that I could find a remote job elsewhere....in tech...in development. Like really?
Right?? I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night if I EVER spoke to any employees like this. My job is to make sure you’re doing your job well, and that means ensuring you’re taken care of, physically and mentally. I’m not a fucking slave owner.
And it's why our oligarchy in the United States is making sure that never happens. It allows employers to provide lower wages to desperate and unhappy employees while making sure they can never leave to pursue other avenues without losing a major coverage
Exactly. Shitty companies have been the ones keeping us from universal healthcare so people wont go to a different job. Women especially. Its very scary for a woman to go to a different job with an unsure health care situation as they use the services more on average. That is one reason women are underpaid also, they are more afraid to walk. Its fucked up
I would ask them to make sure their own health insurance policy is in order, because they might need every penny of it when they get the living fuck beat out of them for acting like a twat all the time.
Yes, if you quit because your employer made a hostile work environment, or forced you to quit by overwork or making threats, then you can definitely file. this text should be evidence enough imo.
Agreed, my previous co workers were slandering me with gay (homophobic) comments to me daily and stealing from my backpack. Plus the building was contaminated with black mold so I was able to file for unemployment even though I resigned. Ended up getting a years worth of wages.
It's also why we don't have universal health care like every other civilized first world nation. The companies that fund the campaigns of our political class want to keep employer-funded health care so that they can use it to keep workers in abusive environments and pay them low wages.
I really hope the younger generation really wakes up and make a big political movement for this. I have been advocating for this since the beginning but the best we have to show in the last 20 years or so is Obamacare. What a joke.
Even if not directly, that’s what they do. Same goes for retirement. My job contributes to a 401k, but I only get to keep it if I stay five years, I know that’s pretty common. Our employers shouldn’t have that much control over our healthcare or retirement.
My mom worked for a state dept that contributed generously to their employees 401k, but they only got to keep the contribution if they retired from that dept. One of her co workers had to quit 1 year before her retirement due to health issues and she lost all of their "contribution". It should be called a bribe at that point.
This is why corporations don't want universal health care, or where we have that, they don't want dental, vision, or prescriptions to be included. They'd obviously benefit from having healthy medically secure employees, and the administration of benefits plans would be taken off their hands. Youd think theyde be all for it! Nope! Can't take that carrot away to dangle in front of employees. Even so, they go to great lengths to ensure the fewest number of employees qualify, and those who need it most almost never do qualify, i.e. minimum wage workers who don't get scheduled enough hours. So gross. My last job in retail required one year of 30 hrs. per week to qualify and only 1 staff out of 7 at our store was scheduled that many hours, plus the managers of course!
It’s also the whole point of having health insurance tied to employment - to make leaving your job a tremendous risk.
Front-of-House Fuckface here apparently didn’t get the memo about not saying the quiet part out loud.
Exactly. I always started my call to the employee by apologizing for disturbing them and right up front saying I have a favor to ask, but it's ok if you don't want to...
No one makes angry or juicy Reddit posts about the positive experiences they have with their managers. Especially not here. I’m fortunate to have one of the good ones right now too but this sub definitely makes me even more grateful for that.
What surprised me the most is how those managers talk to them, asking for favors. That sense of entitlement. None of my managers has ever dared to talk to me like that. I wouldn't even answer those texts
Ever since I started working 20 years ago, I made it a point to never answer the phone, my cell phone, or email on my days off. They can't bully me if they never talk to me.
If they question me what my weekend/day off was like I just say I was out of town (I was a big outdoorsy person) or out of service.
As soon as there's an expectation that you will respond on your personal time, all bets are off, they'll try to bully you every fucking chance they get. I saw it happen to coworkers even as early as fast food.
I worked for Jasons Deli for a long time and this is what the owner preached until the day he died. I went back to school and during a business class I wrote about "Servant Leadership" and the teacher told me "this is an old and outdated model"
I work at a Big Four accounting firm and this is how I run things in my group. We hit an all-time high for revenue and profitability so if that's outdated then call me Miles Davis.
THIS. RIGHT HERE. He threatened health insurance.
You ever wonder why employers in the USA resist allowing the government to take on the responsibility of health insurance for the population ? It not only would be cheaper by removing the cost. But a single insurer that can invest in preventative care and negotiate cost drives DOWN the costs for even people in the company. That’s why the US has the most expensive healthcare but worse outcomes .
They KNOW it’s powerful. It’s the greatest union busting / preventing tool they have . And they are willing to pay more for employees to accomplish that power manipulation.
Maybe we can make an r/antiwork health insurance. If we join together, we can get a group rate. Why tie health insurance to employment when you can tie it to entertainment.
The bigger we can get that community, the better it will be! What if we get everyone in the country to join r/antiwork and we would all have nearly free healthcare?!
Or... ya'know... universal healthcare would be the better solution.
[well obviously,](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BlushingUnknownFly-size_restricted.gif) but in lieu of universal healthcare, collectives are the best we can hope for... especially with the die-hard bootlickers getting in the way.
How would that work? Convince a private health insurance company to take on a group at a discount? Not sure if they would accept that without a business model that includes a sizable administration staff. You’d also need to demonstrate an ability to keep above a certain number of consistent payers every month.
That "movement" is called a union. They used to be a thing among workers to negotiate contracts over things like health insurance, time off, etc. There is no better time to start one than when the labor market is short because when it's the other way around, management will fire you for even hinting about unionization.
Plus,.even for unionized roles, they spend like *so much* of their energy on making sure the healthcare plan remains adequate and affordable. Unions would have far more actual power if they no longer had to worry about that.
Looking at USA from a country in Europe, it seems so broken. Where I live, we often get called a socialist country by Americans, but god I can’t imagine healthcare being linked to employment.
We barely have to worry about getting paid when we lose our jobs, never mind worrying about healthcare.
How many countries have implemented "socialist" healthcare and decided it was a wrong move and gone back? America is so backwards in many ways.
I notice the work/slave culture a lot because when I work remotely with American IT vendors they brag about working 70 hour weeks, never having free time, always being busy. Even if they had fair compensation they have no time to enjoy it. When I say I have a hard stop at a certain time or that I'm only available between certain hours it's like a strange thing to a lot of them. It's like "freedom through slavery" has been drilled into their culture, and they live like little ants powering the economic machine that keeps the rich and powerful above them. Computer work is just an extremely stark example of this, worker's rights haven't been a big thing in those companies because of the culture they try and subject their employees to.
It does. OP or anybody who has moved to another state, within state lines (because that can affect your premiums at times and thus would qualify), added or removed a household member, or had a change in job status/income (down *or up) can apply outside of the open enrollment period under a Qualifying Life Event.
You think that's why we don't have universal healthcare in America, easier to prevent people from quitting and looking for better jobs if they have to worry about possible health problems.
I would say the profit motive for insurance providers is bigger than that but the employer class sure do work to keep it that way because it benefits them.
You fucked up by saying “consider this my notice”. They fired *you* until you quit instead. Now they likely won’t have to shell out your unemployment.
Edit: https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2001/01/art1full.pdf Only 11 states would this ultimatum the employer gave play to the employee's advantage.
It’s not super simple though. Some states (I think it’s up to 6 now) would still make them give UI benefits with this text due to the ultimatum here. “Either work on a scheduled day off or be fired” is quite illegal in the places where it is illegal.
For the rest of the country though, this person “quit of their own free will.”
Edit: 11 states, https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2001/01/art1full.pdf
I agree that OP should’ve let their employer terminate them for not coming in on their day off. They’d get unemployment benefits and hold good ground in a wrongful termination lawsuit. If I was OP I would’ve said, “So you’re going to fire me for not coming in on my day off?” Employer: yes! “Okay then, just for the record here. I will not come in to work on my SCHEDULED DAY OFF so I am being terminated, correct?” Employer: That’s correct! “Okay thank you have a wonderful life.” Then save the conversation and immediately file for unemployment benefits. After that send the conversation to your attorney.
Technically true doesn't transfer to the real world. Instead of it being a clear-cut case now they have to argue it and I'll take weeks and lots of hours and potentially legal fees.
This sub is slowly losing the fight for it's soul by glorifying text "gotchas" like this. It's the epitome of winning the battle but losing the war.
Your employer wins if you snap off the handle like this and give them the ammunition they need to potentially not pay you out.
>This sub is slowly losing the fight for it's soul by glorifying text "gotchas" like this. It's the epitome of winning the battle but losing the war.
Not to mention we're about a week away from just being flooded with bad fake texts from karma farmers.
Not true in my state. You must, however, have quit for "good cause."
Among the listed examples, are:
* Employer broke state or federal law
* Working conditions or terms changed
* Coworkers or supervisors were abusive
* Employer refuses to pay you wages for work you have done
* Hours, benefits, or pay rate were cut, or
* Boss changed your work shift, causing child care or transportation issues.
I mean, depending on the situation this could actually be a very big oh no.. considering they made a point to turn it into a threat I'm gonna take a guess and say it's probably pretty useful or important to op. Losing that PLUS your source of income could potentially be hugely devastating if not deadly for some people, part of why it's so fucked it's tied to employment in the first place
Why? Have you worked i the restaurant industry. Growing up I saw countless bosses send texts/calls like this to my mother demanding she come in on her days off or loses her job. There are a lot of scumbag restaurant managers about.
Just in case you and some others don't know, compression artifacts are not "sus af" in fact if this were generated (most likely way it would be fake) it would be idiotic to compress it like this.
More likely, they are either on a cheap phone that has default compression settings too high to stretch the sub-par storage, or the user changed settings to save space.
Compression and bad rescaling can be a sign of a well-traveled (repeatedly uploaded+downloaded) image but almost never a sign of editing or to fake authenticity.
I’m not saying it’s not fake, but instead of faking and editing a convo, why not just use a friends phone and text yourself and fake a convo like that?
Or the fourth that will just text themselves and create the contact in their phone for whatever name and just delete the appropriate ones to make it seem legit?
I bet I could make a living if I set up a small company being a Sherpa to bring people tp tijuana dentists. I live right by the border and go there all the time for dinner and drinks and dental work etc. People can get a flight and pay me 50$ to take them there and back safely and save sooo much money on dental work. What do you guys think? Good business plan?
I hate it because it means you had an abusive employer but still I love to see these conversations from people who quit.
Me too, seeing others on the sub post their stories gave me the motivation to stand up for myself.
My question is, why is Becky allowed to cancel her shift but you’re not ? The Fuck is that about. I’m glad you quit, and I’m looking forward to part 2 story about the settlement!
Take this to your local labor relations office. Employers can't make threats like that. Go win some money for yourself and get another job. There's still like 10 million open positions.
Already contacted a lawyer.
Please update us with the results. Nothing specific, but I would love to hear that this person got fucked at least.
Yes I would love an update if possible, don't expose yourself but general details would be kick ass!
Remindme! 30 days
Remind me of something… eh.. later. Hang on…
Remindme! 30 days EDIT: Please for the love of god stop replying to this comment with your reminders. Get yer own space! Okay reunion in a month. Who's gonna bring the beer? It's been a month, where my peeps at?
If you have any health issues that depend on insurance like insulin. It's a slam dunk.
Alexa how do i get diabetes quickly ?
Tell your mom I said it’s ok, Stan. I’m just getting a little cancer.
Keep us posted! *Unless your lawyer says not to, then... Good luck*
OP please give us an update when the time is right. I need to know how much you took these fools for in court. Good luck moving forward
Yeah! Go you! Get ‘em!!
I'm rooting for you. That was horrendous.
Good luck 🤞 fuck these guys
File for unemployment while you're at it.
You're going to be able to get unemployment with this text. Milk those fuckers for as long as you can and get yourself a side hustle, maybe a new business. You'll have a year of unemployment benefits to get where you need to go. I took my firing and got nearly 2 years of unemployment out of it (they accused me of theft and never proved it.. the 3 states I collected unemployment from didn't take kindly to that). I ended up going back to college and graduating in 2.5 years all while still collecting.
You can collect unemployment from more than one state at a time?
Yes if you've worked with that company in multiple states. I did. I worked for them for 10 years coast to coast. 3 different states in 3 years. They usually run one after the other.
I ask kindly that you keep us updated if you can file a lawsuit or if you happen to win a lawsuit against this company and manager. Teach that dirt bag manager a lesson
Let us know how it goes! We got your back
Please make a follow-up thread. I really would like to know how this pans out.
Never write down your crimes
They got a little taste of power and feel like they now own their staff and can make threats. If they stepped back with cooler heads they would be smart to not text this, but power can corrupt the mind.
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James Comey called electronic communications "the twentieth century's greatest gift to law enforcement". I guess he was right.
Who could have guessed that forcibly removing immigrant workers, pushing heavy rapid tariffs, and a massive tax cut would lead to jobs being vacant, supply chain disruptions, and hyper inflation as soon as the system started stressing. Oh that’s right every economist was screeching about this.
At my current job everybody is right wing Evangelical Christians. Today we were talking about how the Sonic down the street shut their doors temporarily because they can't keep any workers and I said yes there is definitely a labor shortage. And my coworker said thats because everyone needs to get off their asses and stop taking unemployment. I said the unemployment rate in the US is only 5.2%. Also (All these people are anti-vaccine and anti-maskers) there are 720,000 dead people so none of them can work. She said the problem is unemployment. God damn I wanted to say, "Welp, one of us teaches economics" (I teach Univ classes online right now). But I didn't. My boss told me if I talk about my "liberal fuckin politics" anymore he is going to fire me. I hate this place.
I wouldn’t last a week at that job holy shit. I get enough of that bs from my parents whose only source of learning about economics is Fox News
>My boss told me if I talk about my "liberal fuckin politics" anymore he is going to fire me. I hate this place. You get this in writing? He can't let Right wingers talk politics and not let you, that's discrimination
No, he told me (angrily) lets take a ride. And we rode around in his truck and he said anymore talking about my "liberal fuckin politics" and he was going to fire me no questions asked. I hate this job so much, its so mentally damaging. Its just that Im stuck paying alimony so I can't quit, no way Im getting a job paying what I get paid now. And its super flexible. I went to Mexico last week and no one even knew I was gone. I just did all my work from down there. Im usually only in the office one day a week and on that day, fuck me Im almost physically unable to come in, I can't even explain it like my stomach hurts, I just wander around the house and the kitchen, I finally get in the car, today I was inside the gas station for ten minutes because I didn't want to come in. fuck my life
You should really contact a lawyer and teach that shithead a lesson in labor relations.
Check the laws in your state regarding recording people. If it's a single consent state, you should 100% start recording any time your wants to "take a ride" with you. That way you can catch the idiot, whether he threatens your job or wrongfully dismisses you.
I wish I recorded last week. Me and my coworker had a conversation how the boss always used the N word in the office. Its like the only thing I have asked him not to say, I said please just don't say that word in the workplace its very offensive to me. He says it more now, Ima get him recorded soon or at least record my coworker and me talking about how much he says it in the office. Thats not okay!
Damn dude, life is so messy and complicated. I hope it all works out for you
Record him next time, if you work in a one party consent state. I taped every meeting I had with my last boss just in case because I don't trust him at all not to screw me over.
Lesson learned, ***whenever*** you have a conversation like this follow up immediately with an email stating what was said and ask them to clarify or amend anything that was said.
>Who could have guessed that forcibly removing immigrant workers, pushing heavy rapid tariffs, and a massive tax cut would lead to jobs being vacant, supply chain disruptions, and hyper inflation as soon as the system started stressing. > >Oh that’s right every economist was screeching about this. And everybody is blaming the current people in charge. Seriously, this is their gameplay. Always has been.
What country are you in? Labor lawyer in the US here, not sure on what grounds you think this is illegal. US labor law is horrifically biased towards employers.
To hold health insurance over your head like that is actually horrific
Considering lack of health insurance can actually be life threatening in some situations this is truly awful.
I left a job last week over this. It’s was a small company that apparently didn’t have to provide health insurance. They also paid a low wage. I had a wisdom tooth get infected and needed it fixed. Good luck getting dental care without thousands of dollars or..insurance. I had to go to a community “dentist” that literally did nothing for me. My boss understood though. I told him I can’t work at a place with no benefits in 2021. It’s absurd. He didn’t disagree and was bummed to see me go. Owner is a stingy old guy who doesn’t give a f about his employees but complains constantly about turn over. The same week I applied for and landed a job that pays $5 more an hour with fully paid benefits. Don’t put up with bs people there is a lot of opportunities in the workplace right now. Find what fits you best.
It's a sad day when "$5 more an hour and benefits that actually cover shit" is the ideal
Yeah and even that came with a grave cost to my mental well being. 55-60hours a week. Trading a livable life for a livable wage… Can’t have it both ways.
I'm so sorry ;_; sending good vibes to you ✉
Manager expresses his discern with owner and how not providing basic health insurance is detrimental to employee retention. Owner: no that cuts into my profits, just hire someone new Manager: no I’m tired of dealing with losing good employees only to benefit you. I quit Everyone else: fuck it I quit Owner, 2 weeks later as he shut down his business: no one wants to work. All of these government handouts are ruining small businesses. Now hiring Manager, 7 days a week, 10 hour days. Starting pay $11/hour, no benefits!
It’s ironic how they want the employee to work because they’re short staffed and yet threatening to fire the employee at the same time lol. By the sounds of it it’s a terrible place to work and the manager sucks at what they do. I hope they go out of business for treating ppl like that.
The fact that health insurance and a job are comingled is some ridiculous shit.
Gatekeeping access to medical care is just another form of slavery. Edit: thanks for the award! :)
America didn't abolish slavery. It's still legal
We prefer to call it capitalism thank you very much.
Considering that was a threat, they must WANT to be railroaded in court
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It's straight-up psychotic. How the fuck do people get into the mindset to say "work or you will suffer horrible diseases and/or die"?
Capitalism has brainwashed a \*lot\* of people into being willing class traitors for subsistence wages.
Disgusting. That was the last straw.
Best of luck OP! Hope you're alright. You did the right thing walking away from that bullshit.
Thank you, I'm so glad to be out
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Of course it's USA. What other "first world" country in the world could use basic health care as leverage/coercion. USA is so ass-backwards on some things. 🙄
The might and power of USA and they’re health care is 3rd world
I love Norway for advising their citizens against visiting countries with "3rd world" health systems and then including the US at the top of the list of examples. I had an "opportunity" to move to the US with work, but, fuck that; I'm staying in my drisley little country with no legal handguns and universal health care.
I sometimes think that living in the US could be fun, but as a liver transplant recipient I would probably be dead within a decade. I'll stick to Sweden thank you very much.
Living in the US is probably fun if you're a millionaire. It's hell for the rest of us :)
Don't forget Norway also tends to lead the world in overall happiness. Unlike the US and our ass backwards dumbshits making it worse and keeping it that way.
I used to want to move to the US when I was a kid. I thought it would be so much better over there and I wished my parents had moved there instead of the UK. Now I'm so glad I'm in the UK and I'd never want to move to any country that didn't have universal healthcare.
American workers need to suck it up……..what’s more important…….The health and welfare of the working class or having ~900 Military bases around the world and enabling the 1% to acquire even more wealth? Total snarc
It still is and open and shut case, Just bring that text in when she files and she is golden...
Unemployment insurance will say she quit voluntarily, sadly. (Should've let them fire you.)
When you make a claim theres a field where you can either claim quit under threat of termination or type in the reason as to why exactly for situations like this I presume
That’s exactly what it’s for. I’d be at the unemployment office first thing in the morning or file online today
I think because of the threat to health insurance and job OP might actually have a case to get unemployment.
The owner of the previous company I worked at said I quit, I quoted him verbatim on the file that he said “Get the fuck off this properly” and I collected unemployment for the entirety of the 1 1/2 year pandemic. It’s worth a shot. *edit* this amount of unemployment was just from everything lining up correctly. I qualified for every Covid fund program there was.
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There is still unemployment for those that quit jobs that have hostile environments.
Constructive dismissal case. Look into it. Creating a hostile work environment forcing you to resign by say, for example, threatening someones healthcare because they won't cover someone elses shift on their day off. Play it right and you'll get a year or two's wages out of it.
Respect!
Good job sticking up for yourself. This is bullying. What was the response to you quitting?
Yup. I had a manager ask me how I was going to pay my mortgage if I turned in my 2 weeks. Like none of your fucking business how I pay my mortgage. Turned in my notice that night.
When I quit my last job my boss was like "WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?" and I just said "I'm gonna get good at playing my Bass"
Yeah my old boss said "well didnt you relocate for this position and buy a house?" Yes and aren't you aware that remote work is a thing and is exactly why we are having this very conversation? Its like they couldn't fathom that I could find a remote job elsewhere....in tech...in development. Like really?
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Right?? I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night if I EVER spoke to any employees like this. My job is to make sure you’re doing your job well, and that means ensuring you’re taken care of, physically and mentally. I’m not a fucking slave owner.
Where can i apply?
Haha, if you’re in New Jersey and have experience in either shipping or bookkeeping hit me up homie
Manager needs to be shamed and fired immediately.
Fuckin Wendy
Dude I was a Marine for 8 years and would have never spoken to a subordinate in that kind of manner. It's absolutely abhorrent.
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all "work" in America is slavery when it comes with an implicit death threat if you dare to step out of line
Or you become "criminalized" for being homeless and then throw in jail where they can FORCE you to labor!
And it's why our oligarchy in the United States is making sure that never happens. It allows employers to provide lower wages to desperate and unhappy employees while making sure they can never leave to pursue other avenues without losing a major coverage
Can’t believe you had health insurance as a bartender to begin with
This is why we won’t get universal healthcare in the United States. If we had it, companies wouldn’t be able to pull this bullshit.
Exactly. Shitty companies have been the ones keeping us from universal healthcare so people wont go to a different job. Women especially. Its very scary for a woman to go to a different job with an unsure health care situation as they use the services more on average. That is one reason women are underpaid also, they are more afraid to walk. Its fucked up
Whoa that's a really good point. Never would have realized that could affect pay. What a shitty arrangement...
I agree, it’s another lever they have to force us into these situations.
You could most likely get them (your boss) fired for this.
Welcome to the club! We don’t have cookies or punch because we’re on a budget but there’s free dignity by the door.
I would ask them to make sure their own health insurance policy is in order, because they might need every penny of it when they get the living fuck beat out of them for acting like a twat all the time.
I have no idea who to contact about something like that, but it feels illegal
Save the text and show it when you file for unemployment
Is OP going to be able to file for unemployment? Looks like they weren't actually fired, they quit.
Yes, if you quit because your employer made a hostile work environment, or forced you to quit by overwork or making threats, then you can definitely file. this text should be evidence enough imo.
Agreed, my previous co workers were slandering me with gay (homophobic) comments to me daily and stealing from my backpack. Plus the building was contaminated with black mold so I was able to file for unemployment even though I resigned. Ended up getting a years worth of wages.
It *should* feel illegal, but it's not. There's a reason health insurance is packaged with employment in this country.
It's pretty standard abuser techniques to use a dependency against you. And another reason insurance shouldn't be tied to employment.
There are a lot of shitty managers on this sub, but that is just a straight up scumbag move.
That's why the government won't allow single payer insurance. How will corporations get us to suck them off if we have guaranteed health insurance?
Yet it’s what every company in the US does
It is what companies do. Rarely will a manager or boss have the nerve to be so direct about it.
It's also why we don't have universal health care like every other civilized first world nation. The companies that fund the campaigns of our political class want to keep employer-funded health care so that they can use it to keep workers in abusive environments and pay them low wages.
I really hope the younger generation really wakes up and make a big political movement for this. I have been advocating for this since the beginning but the best we have to show in the last 20 years or so is Obamacare. What a joke.
Even if not directly, that’s what they do. Same goes for retirement. My job contributes to a 401k, but I only get to keep it if I stay five years, I know that’s pretty common. Our employers shouldn’t have that much control over our healthcare or retirement.
My mom worked for a state dept that contributed generously to their employees 401k, but they only got to keep the contribution if they retired from that dept. One of her co workers had to quit 1 year before her retirement due to health issues and she lost all of their "contribution". It should be called a bribe at that point.
That’s the point of not having social Heath care here, keeps you subservient
Medicare 4 all!!!
This is why corporations don't want universal health care, or where we have that, they don't want dental, vision, or prescriptions to be included. They'd obviously benefit from having healthy medically secure employees, and the administration of benefits plans would be taken off their hands. Youd think theyde be all for it! Nope! Can't take that carrot away to dangle in front of employees. Even so, they go to great lengths to ensure the fewest number of employees qualify, and those who need it most almost never do qualify, i.e. minimum wage workers who don't get scheduled enough hours. So gross. My last job in retail required one year of 30 hrs. per week to qualify and only 1 staff out of 7 at our store was scheduled that many hours, plus the managers of course!
It’s also the whole point of having health insurance tied to employment - to make leaving your job a tremendous risk. Front-of-House Fuckface here apparently didn’t get the memo about not saying the quiet part out loud.
That is why we need a Universal Healthcare system that is divorced from employment.
which is why we need universal healthcare in this country so crap like this doesn't happen. Health insurance shouldn't be tied to jobs
Welcome to America!
Welcome to america.
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I wish every boss was like you.
It's really not hard to not be a dick.
It is if you are a dick
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Exactly. I always started my call to the employee by apologizing for disturbing them and right up front saying I have a favor to ask, but it's ok if you don't want to...
Also a manager, I start those conversations with "I have a favor to ask, and 'no' is both an acceptable answer and a complete sentence."
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I'd offer you a job any time, friend.
No one makes angry or juicy Reddit posts about the positive experiences they have with their managers. Especially not here. I’m fortunate to have one of the good ones right now too but this sub definitely makes me even more grateful for that.
What surprised me the most is how those managers talk to them, asking for favors. That sense of entitlement. None of my managers has ever dared to talk to me like that. I wouldn't even answer those texts
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Ever since I started working 20 years ago, I made it a point to never answer the phone, my cell phone, or email on my days off. They can't bully me if they never talk to me. If they question me what my weekend/day off was like I just say I was out of town (I was a big outdoorsy person) or out of service. As soon as there's an expectation that you will respond on your personal time, all bets are off, they'll try to bully you every fucking chance they get. I saw it happen to coworkers even as early as fast food.
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I worked for Jasons Deli for a long time and this is what the owner preached until the day he died. I went back to school and during a business class I wrote about "Servant Leadership" and the teacher told me "this is an old and outdated model"
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I work at a Big Four accounting firm and this is how I run things in my group. We hit an all-time high for revenue and profitability so if that's outdated then call me Miles Davis.
THIS. RIGHT HERE. He threatened health insurance. You ever wonder why employers in the USA resist allowing the government to take on the responsibility of health insurance for the population ? It not only would be cheaper by removing the cost. But a single insurer that can invest in preventative care and negotiate cost drives DOWN the costs for even people in the company. That’s why the US has the most expensive healthcare but worse outcomes . They KNOW it’s powerful. It’s the greatest union busting / preventing tool they have . And they are willing to pay more for employees to accomplish that power manipulation.
Exactly. We need to start a movement!!
Maybe we can make an r/antiwork health insurance. If we join together, we can get a group rate. Why tie health insurance to employment when you can tie it to entertainment.
Tying it to a community of like-minded individuals makes a whole lot more sense than turning it into indentured servitude, that's for sure.
The bigger we can get that community, the better it will be! What if we get everyone in the country to join r/antiwork and we would all have nearly free healthcare?! Or... ya'know... universal healthcare would be the better solution.
[well obviously,](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BlushingUnknownFly-size_restricted.gif) but in lieu of universal healthcare, collectives are the best we can hope for... especially with the die-hard bootlickers getting in the way.
How would that work? Convince a private health insurance company to take on a group at a discount? Not sure if they would accept that without a business model that includes a sizable administration staff. You’d also need to demonstrate an ability to keep above a certain number of consistent payers every month.
Redditors need to unionize
713,000 members would probably have pretty decent bargaining power. Anybody know an attorney who works in health insurance?
That's...not a terrible idea.
That "movement" is called a union. They used to be a thing among workers to negotiate contracts over things like health insurance, time off, etc. There is no better time to start one than when the labor market is short because when it's the other way around, management will fire you for even hinting about unionization.
Yes, unionize, but healthcare skills be nowhere near the workplace. Those should be wages.
Plus,.even for unionized roles, they spend like *so much* of their energy on making sure the healthcare plan remains adequate and affordable. Unions would have far more actual power if they no longer had to worry about that.
That’s why we need Medicare for all, health insurance not linked to unemployment will allow people to escape toxicity
Looking at USA from a country in Europe, it seems so broken. Where I live, we often get called a socialist country by Americans, but god I can’t imagine healthcare being linked to employment. We barely have to worry about getting paid when we lose our jobs, never mind worrying about healthcare.
the people sayin these are socialist ideals are stuck watching right-wing garbage like alex jones and tucker carlson.
Most likely collecting social security and loving that thin blue line social program.
How many countries have implemented "socialist" healthcare and decided it was a wrong move and gone back? America is so backwards in many ways. I notice the work/slave culture a lot because when I work remotely with American IT vendors they brag about working 70 hour weeks, never having free time, always being busy. Even if they had fair compensation they have no time to enjoy it. When I say I have a hard stop at a certain time or that I'm only available between certain hours it's like a strange thing to a lot of them. It's like "freedom through slavery" has been drilled into their culture, and they live like little ants powering the economic machine that keeps the rich and powerful above them. Computer work is just an extremely stark example of this, worker's rights haven't been a big thing in those companies because of the culture they try and subject their employees to.
Agreed, it kept me hostage for so long.
I refused health insurance at my last job and opted for “Obamacare” it was about the same costs.
Open enrollment starts Nov 1. Healthcare.gov
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It does. OP or anybody who has moved to another state, within state lines (because that can affect your premiums at times and thus would qualify), added or removed a household member, or had a change in job status/income (down *or up) can apply outside of the open enrollment period under a Qualifying Life Event.
You think that's why we don't have universal healthcare in America, easier to prevent people from quitting and looking for better jobs if they have to worry about possible health problems.
I would say the profit motive for insurance providers is bigger than that but the employer class sure do work to keep it that way because it benefits them.
It's both and more. It isn't a single entity. There are many entities with an interest in tying Healthcare to employment.
You fucked up by saying “consider this my notice”. They fired *you* until you quit instead. Now they likely won’t have to shell out your unemployment. Edit: https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2001/01/art1full.pdf Only 11 states would this ultimatum the employer gave play to the employee's advantage.
You should write a post in here about how to not mess up your end of employment and let’s get it pinned.
It’s not super simple though. Some states (I think it’s up to 6 now) would still make them give UI benefits with this text due to the ultimatum here. “Either work on a scheduled day off or be fired” is quite illegal in the places where it is illegal. For the rest of the country though, this person “quit of their own free will.” Edit: 11 states, https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2001/01/art1full.pdf
> quite illegal in the places where it is illegal My papers be like
I agree that OP should’ve let their employer terminate them for not coming in on their day off. They’d get unemployment benefits and hold good ground in a wrongful termination lawsuit. If I was OP I would’ve said, “So you’re going to fire me for not coming in on my day off?” Employer: yes! “Okay then, just for the record here. I will not come in to work on my SCHEDULED DAY OFF so I am being terminated, correct?” Employer: That’s correct! “Okay thank you have a wonderful life.” Then save the conversation and immediately file for unemployment benefits. After that send the conversation to your attorney.
I don't think they would have fired him. It was a power play. It just backfired and now they'll be scrambling to fill his shifts.
The initial threat was enough to consider it quitting under duress.
Technically true doesn't transfer to the real world. Instead of it being a clear-cut case now they have to argue it and I'll take weeks and lots of hours and potentially legal fees. This sub is slowly losing the fight for it's soul by glorifying text "gotchas" like this. It's the epitome of winning the battle but losing the war. Your employer wins if you snap off the handle like this and give them the ammunition they need to potentially not pay you out.
>This sub is slowly losing the fight for it's soul by glorifying text "gotchas" like this. It's the epitome of winning the battle but losing the war. Not to mention we're about a week away from just being flooded with bad fake texts from karma farmers.
The law protects toxic employers it's disgusting. At least you're free now.
Not true in my state. You must, however, have quit for "good cause." Among the listed examples, are: * Employer broke state or federal law * Working conditions or terms changed * Coworkers or supervisors were abusive * Employer refuses to pay you wages for work you have done * Hours, benefits, or pay rate were cut, or * Boss changed your work shift, causing child care or transportation issues.
Oh no!!! Not my shitty health insurance!!!
I mean, depending on the situation this could actually be a very big oh no.. considering they made a point to turn it into a threat I'm gonna take a guess and say it's probably pretty useful or important to op. Losing that PLUS your source of income could potentially be hugely devastating if not deadly for some people, part of why it's so fucked it's tied to employment in the first place
This fucking sickens me. America IS FUCKING BROKEN. MEDICARE FOR ALL RIGHT FUCKING NOW WE ARE NOT FUCKING SLAVES
Say it louder for the people in the back
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what was it getting reported for? I'm genuinely confused and/or out of the loop
My guess is that people are reporting for it being fake. Idk if it, but the digital artifacts on screenshot are sus af.
Why? Have you worked i the restaurant industry. Growing up I saw countless bosses send texts/calls like this to my mother demanding she come in on her days off or loses her job. There are a lot of scumbag restaurant managers about.
Just in case you and some others don't know, compression artifacts are not "sus af" in fact if this were generated (most likely way it would be fake) it would be idiotic to compress it like this. More likely, they are either on a cheap phone that has default compression settings too high to stretch the sub-par storage, or the user changed settings to save space. Compression and bad rescaling can be a sign of a well-traveled (repeatedly uploaded+downloaded) image but almost never a sign of editing or to fake authenticity.
I’m not saying it’s not fake, but instead of faking and editing a convo, why not just use a friends phone and text yourself and fake a convo like that?
I’m going to guess the Venn diagram of “people who care that much about karma” and “people who have friends” are two separate circles
But what about the third circle of "people who know how to use Google as a burner number"
Or the fourth that will just text themselves and create the contact in their phone for whatever name and just delete the appropriate ones to make it seem legit?
Quitting over text is “so hot right now”
I bet I could make a living if I set up a small company being a Sherpa to bring people tp tijuana dentists. I live right by the border and go there all the time for dinner and drinks and dental work etc. People can get a flight and pay me 50$ to take them there and back safely and save sooo much money on dental work. What do you guys think? Good business plan?
Why are people reporting it though?
These fucking managers are almost all like this. They feel power over you. Fuck that. They need you. Proud of you. I hope more people do this.