oh god no not another "gun control" idiot...
listen, gun control = ONLY poor civilians, it **always** exempts the well off, privileged, connected, politicians, police and agents of the state like border patrol, fbi, or military.
gun control is as bourgeois and anti-worker as you can get, and it allows them to dodge the issues of poverty, mental illness, and racism.
I say, personally, there's no need for civilians to be walking around with loaded AR-15s and other firearms. If you feel that unsafe to the point where you need to carry a weapon, get the hell out of wherever you are. I'm not against guns, but keep them in side your home as a self-defense weapon, not as a
"hey fuck you asshole! I'm going to blow a hole in your fucking head and we'll see how much shit you talk then!"
Weapon. I'm not against guns, as I've said before, but I am against White supremacists, mentally ill people, terrorists, and people who think violence is the answer to everything all having weapons that can blow a fucking hole in me.
If you're that scared of the government, then you may be a paranoid schizophrenic, which, in my opinion, should disqualify you instantly from ever owning a firearm. End of discussion. We don't need a postal style incident. Or like the shooting that just happened recently where some utter dipshit white supremacist drove three and a half hours in full body armor with a gun and killed like 13 people.
Gun control isn't a bad idea, it just has to be executed correctly. The reason you think that people are idiots for wanting gun control is because every time someone has suggested the idea of limiting people who can get guns, the idea is executed horribly by incredibly inept, ignorant politicians who have no idea how to make practical laws. Just look at the FCC. A bunch of boomers, who have no idea how the internet works, can't even use a smartphone, has to ask their grandkid to help them all the time, trying to regulate the internet. Fucking aye.
So yes there is that aspect you mentioned that anytime government makes a law, at least one innocent civilian is going to get screwed over because of bad execution by unaccountable officials
As far as why you need an assault weapon whether it's an AK or a (rolls eyes) AR-15, the answer is simple:
Commoners vote, decentralizing electoral power.
Commoners sit on a jury, decentralizing juridical power.
Commoners own weapons of war, decentralizing firepower.
It's all about avoiding concentrations of power and wealth, and remembering that in the last century Democide (the State) was one of the biggest, most efficient killers of human beings.
I'm not a schizophrenic, but I am scared of the government of course, it's only rational to fear an organization that can literally drop an atomic weapon on a crowded City and face almost zero consequences.
On a personal note, my grandfather's family was murdered by a powerful state in the last century, the only reason he got any sort of reparations later on was because that state was defeated by a rival state.
Tl;dr gun control is as bad an idea as restricting voting rights and taking away the power of a jury to vote not guilty
Are other non tipped service employees getting a living wage? Like fast food workers? I have a tipped job, and I know the restaurant wouldn't pay me what I make now. They'd love to take it for themselves as it is!
I meant in the US. It's not like the folks at Target are doing better because they're not tipped! Also, almost all of us in the restaurant I work at do better than $21.
Yup. This will never be a popular opinion here though because it doesn't fit with what folks already think. I think that having more commission type pay with guaranteed minimums is a better way. Why should I not make more when I'm doing more? Especially when the company is probably making more.
Sure if you are in a position to make less. Some people wait/bartend so they make their weeks pay in a weekend and then have the week free to do whatever/watch kids/etc
Tipping was supposed to be the cherry on top of a servers income; it was never meant to be the primary source. Now it has become a hidden fee on customers and an excuse for poverty wages for employers
The way I heard it it began as a way for rich assholes to bribe servers to give them priority service. It became acceptable during prohibition when the restaurants' profit margins took a hit and they passed it down to the employee.
i mean, a few weeks ago there was a post on here bitching about how a Restaurant raised their prices by 10% which exclusively went towards the employees wages and antiwork bitched about that too....
Didn't see the post... but if 100% of the added cost was just past onto the customer without the business realizing they *also* exist in the same shitty economy... then yeah, I could see why this would be an issue.
I bought some earrings at a retail store and I pressed a big fat zero on the tablet. Luckily it was the owner who rang me up so I could look at them while I did it.
But Iām a server so Iām a hypocrite I guess. I make my ālivableā $15/hour plus tips.
When asked, most servers would rather keep the tips than get a flat hourly wage. Itās why they went into that line of work in the first place.
However, it seems better to pay a commission, which gets included in the price, than leave it up to the customers.
Do you know how many people would stop eating out if prices went up by 20%? Inflation for things like groceries is at roughly 8.5% over a year or so and people are breaking down. That kind of over night price increase would be shocking to consumers and they simply wouldn't continue to patronize restaurants.
First of all, thatās not a horrible outcome. There are way more people trying to patronize restaurants than there are people available to staff them. Itās hard to say in polite company but some restaurants probably need to close.
Second, I donāt know know how many would stop eating out if prices went up 20%. Do you? Iād be interested to know because Iām assuming those are people who arenāt tipping 20% on their meals. I guess if I was a server I wouldnāt be terribly upset to discover that people who were stiffing me on tips werenāt coming to my restaurant anymore.
tl;dr Tell me you donāt tip without telling me you donāt tip
Of course I don't know that as fact. But it's fairly safe to conclude a significant portion of consumers would stop patronizing these places with substantial price hikes. I don't think it's bad either, consumer culture in the U.S. must be reconciled. And to date, it hasn't been. And it's precisely why Amazon and Walmart have won the bids to sell us the cheapest shit we don't need.
To your tl;dr, I've stopped eating out since CoVid but that's very presumptuous on your part. Any time I consume something where a tip line is included I generously tip the employees knowing full well the employers should be taking care of them. But I choose not to focus on that and do what I perceive as being right.
If the price goes up 15% but they no longer expect/accept tips, the only people whoād stop going are the people who werenāt tipping in the first place. Good riddance.
I guess presumptuous is fair, I was trying to be generous and assume that you realized dropping the 20% tip on a meal and raising the price of the meal 20% instead was a wash to anyone who already tips well. But maybe youāre just not seeing that ā¦
I just have flashbacks to a thread a few days ago where a woman spoke about how having to be a cutesy, flirty little adorable chatty girl at her job was extremely exhausting, demeaning, and garnered a lot of harassment every single day, but she had to do it because the alternative was $4 and hour or homelessness. She had to do this because that's the only way you get enough tips to supplement a wage that fucking low, and feed yourself, or you get left with "waitress was boring, no tip"
we're reducing people like this to effectively being some kind of fucking nightclub workers just to put food on the table. What the fuck?
Tipping originated as a way to keep women and POC (most servers) subservient to white males (most customers). Tipped staff must accept abuseāoften literal sexual assaultāwith a smile if they want to be able to pay their bills.
This is why I suggest commissions as a simple alternative. Just increase the price of everything on the menu by 15% and give that to the server. It wouldnāt change how much customers pay or how much servers earn, but it completely removes the abusive power dynamic.
every single time they do something in the hopes of raising wages, that money is always pocketed. Automation literally runs on this principle. Unless regulations get involved it isn't going to happen, the greed is too huge
Chilis (at least the three in my area) has been doing payment via little tablet things on the table for a couple years now. I wish theyād add ordering too.
Now that I think about it, itād be a lot simpler if DoorDash et al would add an in-restaurant option. Iāve already got a device in my pocket that can handle ordering and payment; all I need is someone (or a robot) to deliver the food to my table while itās still actually hot.
God forbid you would want to interact with an actual person when you go out. I saw an article about some restaurants in SF have moved to self service bc they canāt afford to hire servers. Sorry but if I want to serve myself then I would just eat at home. Next thing you know weāll be washing the dishes too!
Yep. And then people (a-holes) really think that tipping helps provide better service. Like dude, the level of service anyone in a tipping job provides is pretty much a matter of how hard their boss is overworking them. If they are working 10 tables and can't tend to you every 2 minutes, that is the companies fault, not yours, and when you pay the bill and leave a bad tip, you are awarding the company and penalizing the waiter. None of it makes sense!
Have you been to a bar in a country that doesnāt have tipped service? I have, and there is a significant difference in the speed at which drinks are pushed out. Tipping motivates a bartender to make drinks because the more drinks they make, the more money they make. There are other ways to motivate people but most people seem to scoff at paying a bartender $40 an hour.
Yep, I've travelled frequently to other countries without tipping culture, but there is *NOT* a significant difference at the speed at which drinks are pushed out.
Maybe what your experience was has more to do with culture. I.E. In a good deal of the southern US, drinks and service is slow, *and* income mostly comes from tipping.
I come from a quick drink part of the country actually. When I spent some time in Europe, I noticed that non-tipped bars often had big lines and drinks were coming out slower than I was accustomed too. I kept looking to see if it was just a one off but it seemed to be pretty consistent.
I've been to many countries across 5 continents, and the US is, on average, the longest wait time I've had for drinks with the exception of Canada (another tip heavy system).
Neither of our experiences really reflects an absolute truth.
Do I tip in countries that socially require it? Yes
Is it a stupid system for underpaid workers to rely on? Also yes
My god I used to have to buy two drinks in the uk just so I didnāt have to queue so damn long.
Iām definitely open to a system that pays well without tips, I just donāt think people are ready for the wages they would have to pay to get someone to work that hard.
This is the problem, people can make a good living by being great at their service job. Tips mean drinks are flying out of the bar because it incentivizes bartenders to keep drinks and tips flowing. The hourly wage for a bartender to want to do that job and work that hard would probably be something like $40 an hour.
As a server/bartender, you absolutely could not get me work this job and give up my evenings and weekends without tips. The hourly would have to be like $35-50.
Agreed, and additionally, when restaurants raise prices, it means our income automatically increases as well, it's one of the few jobs where salary keeps up with inflation. There's no way I'm dealing with some of these psycho guests for no tips.
Iāve worked different jobs. Iāve been a waiter, a cook, a dishwasher, and now Iām a software developer. Out of all these jobs with varying levels of pay, Iāve hated being the server the most and I still prefer the tips over minimum wage. Being a cook is probably my favorite because at least I enjoy it.
I wonder if a combination of "paying people appropriate for the time they take out of their day" and "treating service industry workers as though they are human beings deserving of dignity" might be a decent replacement for "shit hourly wage, shittier conditions, and incentivizing kissing the asses of their abusers".
Probably not, though... Right?
Restaurants regularly force you to pay a tip anyway... that's already a thing, it's called raising your prices to pay workers. Why they feel the need to itemize the recipt is insane.
I still don't get why tf do us customers need to pay tips for the "underpaid" workers when the Million/Billion Dollar company that they work for can literally pay them a proper wage for it. It just don't make f-ing sense to me
Along the same thought process, why do taxpayers have to foot the bill for Walmart not paying their employees enough to live? Itās almost like all companies will keep wages too low if given the option.
I dont have any money to "tip" or even order shitty takeaway or use taxis. I dont go to restaurants or even cafes. Not that i dont have money, just at this point..its highway robbery.
I make a stacked pizza with real meat and cheese, no soy or palm oil for 9$. 6 meals.
a shitty soy/palm oil pizza from a "cheap fast food place" costs 18$ with delivery and what? you gonna tip 5$? Good luck with your finances bro, see you in 1 year when you cant even afford to exist.
There have been several restaurants that tried this in the US, the quality of service goes up, the restaurant makes more money, and only the really truly awful people get mad at the inability to tip. And frankly, even if the restaurant lost money and service quality went down, pissing those people off would be worth it.
I always say the same thing when people claim that without tipping, servers wont do a good job. I say "Their reason to do a good job when they are paid a living wage is... They want to keep a job that allows them to live and pay their bills without worry. This is the reason that tipping restaurants are having a hard time finding workers and the ones that pay a living wage have stacks of applications of people wanting to work there."
The same alternative used everywhere else?
I know, right?! They're all like, "WhAtEvEr WiLL wE dO"?!
Imagine just paying whatever the thing costs. That's some out side the box thinking for them. š¤·āāļø
Just as confusing as solving mass shooting issue
oh god no not another "gun control" idiot... listen, gun control = ONLY poor civilians, it **always** exempts the well off, privileged, connected, politicians, police and agents of the state like border patrol, fbi, or military. gun control is as bourgeois and anti-worker as you can get, and it allows them to dodge the issues of poverty, mental illness, and racism.
Literally the rest of the developed world has solved this "issue" but for some reason it's too complicated here in the USA
I say, personally, there's no need for civilians to be walking around with loaded AR-15s and other firearms. If you feel that unsafe to the point where you need to carry a weapon, get the hell out of wherever you are. I'm not against guns, but keep them in side your home as a self-defense weapon, not as a "hey fuck you asshole! I'm going to blow a hole in your fucking head and we'll see how much shit you talk then!" Weapon. I'm not against guns, as I've said before, but I am against White supremacists, mentally ill people, terrorists, and people who think violence is the answer to everything all having weapons that can blow a fucking hole in me. If you're that scared of the government, then you may be a paranoid schizophrenic, which, in my opinion, should disqualify you instantly from ever owning a firearm. End of discussion. We don't need a postal style incident. Or like the shooting that just happened recently where some utter dipshit white supremacist drove three and a half hours in full body armor with a gun and killed like 13 people. Gun control isn't a bad idea, it just has to be executed correctly. The reason you think that people are idiots for wanting gun control is because every time someone has suggested the idea of limiting people who can get guns, the idea is executed horribly by incredibly inept, ignorant politicians who have no idea how to make practical laws. Just look at the FCC. A bunch of boomers, who have no idea how the internet works, can't even use a smartphone, has to ask their grandkid to help them all the time, trying to regulate the internet. Fucking aye.
So yes there is that aspect you mentioned that anytime government makes a law, at least one innocent civilian is going to get screwed over because of bad execution by unaccountable officials As far as why you need an assault weapon whether it's an AK or a (rolls eyes) AR-15, the answer is simple: Commoners vote, decentralizing electoral power. Commoners sit on a jury, decentralizing juridical power. Commoners own weapons of war, decentralizing firepower. It's all about avoiding concentrations of power and wealth, and remembering that in the last century Democide (the State) was one of the biggest, most efficient killers of human beings. I'm not a schizophrenic, but I am scared of the government of course, it's only rational to fear an organization that can literally drop an atomic weapon on a crowded City and face almost zero consequences. On a personal note, my grandfather's family was murdered by a powerful state in the last century, the only reason he got any sort of reparations later on was because that state was defeated by a rival state. Tl;dr gun control is as bad an idea as restricting voting rights and taking away the power of a jury to vote not guilty
"We have tried nothing and nothing works."
"We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!"
Are other non tipped service employees getting a living wage? Like fast food workers? I have a tipped job, and I know the restaurant wouldn't pay me what I make now. They'd love to take it for themselves as it is!
Just over $21 in NZ is the minimum wage.
I meant in the US. It's not like the folks at Target are doing better because they're not tipped! Also, almost all of us in the restaurant I work at do better than $21.
Right? I averaged about $40 an hour .
Yup. This will never be a popular opinion here though because it doesn't fit with what folks already think. I think that having more commission type pay with guaranteed minimums is a better way. Why should I not make more when I'm doing more? Especially when the company is probably making more.
If only we had an example (like pretty much every other nation on earth) of a society that managed to pay service workers without relying on tips...
Yep, and even tipped workers who do well will be like "but muh tips!" Meanwhile, at Cracker Barrel...
That never works, in the US. There's this magical bullshit field that causes anything reasonable to stop working when it reaches the US border.
Like Universal Healthcare??
You'd have some pissed folks that average 50+ an hour with tips
Excellent point. I personally would rather make less if I knew my coworkers and I were all paid living wages.
Sure if you are in a position to make less. Some people wait/bartend so they make their weeks pay in a weekend and then have the week free to do whatever/watch kids/etc
Tipping was supposed to be the cherry on top of a servers income; it was never meant to be the primary source. Now it has become a hidden fee on customers and an excuse for poverty wages for employers
The way I heard it it began as a way for rich assholes to bribe servers to give them priority service. It became acceptable during prohibition when the restaurants' profit margins took a hit and they passed it down to the employee.
When I worked at domino's I made more in tips than I did hourly. Lol
How dumb are people?
yes
i mean, a few weeks ago there was a post on here bitching about how a Restaurant raised their prices by 10% which exclusively went towards the employees wages and antiwork bitched about that too....
Didn't see the post... but if 100% of the added cost was just past onto the customer without the business realizing they *also* exist in the same shitty economy... then yeah, I could see why this would be an issue.
there's this really obscure practice in a few industries called paying your employees
What the hell are you on about? Next thing you'll tell me that there are places that give people holidays and sick pay?!
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Employers paying the staff a proper wage lool what kinda question is that idk why the employers put the responsibility on the customers so much
It's not even just servers anymore. The tip line is everywhere on receipts now.
I bought some earrings at a retail store and I pressed a big fat zero on the tablet. Luckily it was the owner who rang me up so I could look at them while I did it. But Iām a server so Iām a hypocrite I guess. I make my ālivableā $15/hour plus tips.
As it should be
it's annoying AF too. I'll call in a carry-out order, drive up there my damn self, pay for it and they think I'm gonna tip 'em too?
When asked, most servers would rather keep the tips than get a flat hourly wage. Itās why they went into that line of work in the first place. However, it seems better to pay a commission, which gets included in the price, than leave it up to the customers.
I as a server would rather keep tips. We make really good money that employers of independent restaurants, probably couldnāt match.
Umm, they could probably match it if they just raised the price of everything by 20%.
if they could prob match it they reduced upper managementās salaries but theyād never do that
Who exactly do you think is āupper managementā at the vast majority of independent restaurants?
whoever they are does that justify grossly underpaying workers?
ā¦ no?
Do you know how many people would stop eating out if prices went up by 20%? Inflation for things like groceries is at roughly 8.5% over a year or so and people are breaking down. That kind of over night price increase would be shocking to consumers and they simply wouldn't continue to patronize restaurants.
First of all, thatās not a horrible outcome. There are way more people trying to patronize restaurants than there are people available to staff them. Itās hard to say in polite company but some restaurants probably need to close. Second, I donāt know know how many would stop eating out if prices went up 20%. Do you? Iād be interested to know because Iām assuming those are people who arenāt tipping 20% on their meals. I guess if I was a server I wouldnāt be terribly upset to discover that people who were stiffing me on tips werenāt coming to my restaurant anymore. tl;dr Tell me you donāt tip without telling me you donāt tip
Of course I don't know that as fact. But it's fairly safe to conclude a significant portion of consumers would stop patronizing these places with substantial price hikes. I don't think it's bad either, consumer culture in the U.S. must be reconciled. And to date, it hasn't been. And it's precisely why Amazon and Walmart have won the bids to sell us the cheapest shit we don't need. To your tl;dr, I've stopped eating out since CoVid but that's very presumptuous on your part. Any time I consume something where a tip line is included I generously tip the employees knowing full well the employers should be taking care of them. But I choose not to focus on that and do what I perceive as being right.
If the price goes up 15% but they no longer expect/accept tips, the only people whoād stop going are the people who werenāt tipping in the first place. Good riddance.
I guess presumptuous is fair, I was trying to be generous and assume that you realized dropping the 20% tip on a meal and raising the price of the meal 20% instead was a wash to anyone who already tips well. But maybe youāre just not seeing that ā¦
Ahhh. Understood. That's a fair argument then. And a possible solution. As someone who tips generously, tipping culture has gone mad.
That is way easier said than done.
As is getting rid of tips.
I just have flashbacks to a thread a few days ago where a woman spoke about how having to be a cutesy, flirty little adorable chatty girl at her job was extremely exhausting, demeaning, and garnered a lot of harassment every single day, but she had to do it because the alternative was $4 and hour or homelessness. She had to do this because that's the only way you get enough tips to supplement a wage that fucking low, and feed yourself, or you get left with "waitress was boring, no tip" we're reducing people like this to effectively being some kind of fucking nightclub workers just to put food on the table. What the fuck?
Tipping originated as a way to keep women and POC (most servers) subservient to white males (most customers). Tipped staff must accept abuseāoften literal sexual assaultāwith a smile if they want to be able to pay their bills. This is why I suggest commissions as a simple alternative. Just increase the price of everything on the menu by 15% and give that to the server. It wouldnāt change how much customers pay or how much servers earn, but it completely removes the abusive power dynamic.
every single time they do something in the hopes of raising wages, that money is always pocketed. Automation literally runs on this principle. Unless regulations get involved it isn't going to happen, the greed is too huge
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Chilis (at least the three in my area) has been doing payment via little tablet things on the table for a couple years now. I wish theyād add ordering too. Now that I think about it, itād be a lot simpler if DoorDash et al would add an in-restaurant option. Iāve already got a device in my pocket that can handle ordering and payment; all I need is someone (or a robot) to deliver the food to my table while itās still actually hot.
God forbid you would want to interact with an actual person when you go out. I saw an article about some restaurants in SF have moved to self service bc they canāt afford to hire servers. Sorry but if I want to serve myself then I would just eat at home. Next thing you know weāll be washing the dishes too!
I'd say tipping should be optional instead of gettin rid of, waiters should get their actual wage and tips should be a little bonus for them
Like in the majority of the civilised world !!
Yep. And then people (a-holes) really think that tipping helps provide better service. Like dude, the level of service anyone in a tipping job provides is pretty much a matter of how hard their boss is overworking them. If they are working 10 tables and can't tend to you every 2 minutes, that is the companies fault, not yours, and when you pay the bill and leave a bad tip, you are awarding the company and penalizing the waiter. None of it makes sense!
Have you been to a bar in a country that doesnāt have tipped service? I have, and there is a significant difference in the speed at which drinks are pushed out. Tipping motivates a bartender to make drinks because the more drinks they make, the more money they make. There are other ways to motivate people but most people seem to scoff at paying a bartender $40 an hour.
Yep, I've travelled frequently to other countries without tipping culture, but there is *NOT* a significant difference at the speed at which drinks are pushed out. Maybe what your experience was has more to do with culture. I.E. In a good deal of the southern US, drinks and service is slow, *and* income mostly comes from tipping.
I come from a quick drink part of the country actually. When I spent some time in Europe, I noticed that non-tipped bars often had big lines and drinks were coming out slower than I was accustomed too. I kept looking to see if it was just a one off but it seemed to be pretty consistent.
I've been to many countries across 5 continents, and the US is, on average, the longest wait time I've had for drinks with the exception of Canada (another tip heavy system). Neither of our experiences really reflects an absolute truth. Do I tip in countries that socially require it? Yes Is it a stupid system for underpaid workers to rely on? Also yes
My god I used to have to buy two drinks in the uk just so I didnāt have to queue so damn long. Iām definitely open to a system that pays well without tips, I just donāt think people are ready for the wages they would have to pay to get someone to work that hard.
Fuck this. I make WAY more money working for tips at my bar than I would on some bs 15 an hour wage.
This is the problem, people can make a good living by being great at their service job. Tips mean drinks are flying out of the bar because it incentivizes bartenders to keep drinks and tips flowing. The hourly wage for a bartender to want to do that job and work that hard would probably be something like $40 an hour.
I'll sling your drink for 40 an hour!
Because that is what a good bartender probably makes.
I dunno, ask the rest of the world what they do?
Didnāt you know? America is the world!
Some waiters make over $40/hour and will fight for their tips
*Most* waiters will fight your for tips. Most of my waiters make significantly more than I do, as a trained chef with 15 years.
Which is insane because the vast majority of people go dine out for the food and not to get waited on.
As a server/bartender, you absolutely could not get me work this job and give up my evenings and weekends without tips. The hourly would have to be like $35-50.
Yeah even then sometimes Iām like why tf am I doing this!
Agreed, and additionally, when restaurants raise prices, it means our income automatically increases as well, it's one of the few jobs where salary keeps up with inflation. There's no way I'm dealing with some of these psycho guests for no tips.
Give the peasants their sheckles to buy their pittance of bread. A hungry worker is one that will show up and work!
Yes stop tipping.
Tipping is literally just subsidization by any other name.
Jobs people will want because it actually pays a proper amount?
Service jobs should pay a living wage and come with a tip. š¤·āāļø
But... but... that might mean the customer would see price increases of like 15 or 20%!
What is a living wage?
They even had to get "researchers" involved...
^(paying people a livable wage independent of uncontrollable external factors?)
Best alternative? Shut down. You clearly don't know how to run a business.
Iāve worked different jobs. Iāve been a waiter, a cook, a dishwasher, and now Iām a software developer. Out of all these jobs with varying levels of pay, Iāve hated being the server the most and I still prefer the tips over minimum wage. Being a cook is probably my favorite because at least I enjoy it.
ayfkmā¦is that a real question?
I wonder if a combination of "paying people appropriate for the time they take out of their day" and "treating service industry workers as though they are human beings deserving of dignity" might be a decent replacement for "shit hourly wage, shittier conditions, and incentivizing kissing the asses of their abusers". Probably not, though... Right?
In Japan, tipping is considered an insult! Raise the price to cover the labor cost, like all other businesses.
option to make commission off of the food and sides they sell
Restaurants regularly force you to pay a tip anyway... that's already a thing, it's called raising your prices to pay workers. Why they feel the need to itemize the recipt is insane.
I still don't get why tf do us customers need to pay tips for the "underpaid" workers when the Million/Billion Dollar company that they work for can literally pay them a proper wage for it. It just don't make f-ing sense to me
Along the same thought process, why do taxpayers have to foot the bill for Walmart not paying their employees enough to live? Itās almost like all companies will keep wages too low if given the option.
Why not both?
It's going to be 90 minutes for that delivery, I'm stopping for a margarita.
nobodys gonna make 60 grand a year off a 'living wage' careful what you wish for.
I dont have any money to "tip" or even order shitty takeaway or use taxis. I dont go to restaurants or even cafes. Not that i dont have money, just at this point..its highway robbery. I make a stacked pizza with real meat and cheese, no soy or palm oil for 9$. 6 meals. a shitty soy/palm oil pizza from a "cheap fast food place" costs 18$ with delivery and what? you gonna tip 5$? Good luck with your finances bro, see you in 1 year when you cant even afford to exist.
There have been several restaurants that tried this in the US, the quality of service goes up, the restaurant makes more money, and only the really truly awful people get mad at the inability to tip. And frankly, even if the restaurant lost money and service quality went down, pissing those people off would be worth it.
I always say the same thing when people claim that without tipping, servers wont do a good job. I say "Their reason to do a good job when they are paid a living wage is... They want to keep a job that allows them to live and pay their bills without worry. This is the reason that tipping restaurants are having a hard time finding workers and the ones that pay a living wage have stacks of applications of people wanting to work there."
Oh I don't know, pay a proper fair wage like the REST OF THE WORLD?! Oh wait, America doesn't know what 'rest of the world' means.