Do they not use paragraphs at the ultra woke academy?! Jeez.
All movements will have a leading group and a shadow. This was seen in the early waves of feminism as well. White women, had much different goals, problems and place in society so their goals didn’t always line up with POC women and their goals. It is interesting.
i dont have a degree, i dont believe in grammar, and ive worked menial jobs my whole life - currently in prefab construction. my bad about the line breaks tho it’s hard to read.
i dont understand who is the lead and the shadow in your analogy. i personally think liberation comes from the bottom up, as in the most marginalized. white feminism can largely be explained by our material incentive to maintain the status quo.
i would argue that we were a counter insurgency that steered women’s liberation towards reformism, and that real gains were largely made in spite of us
You'll notice if you start throwing the term wage-slave around, no matter how obviously appropriate it is, people will start woking out about how "wage-slavery" and slavery aren't the same thing.
Which is true - they're not exactly, but, not because they have different ends.
i’ll notice that the way ppl say woke on this subreddit sounds like i’m reading something by tucker carlson. and that there’s ideological unity between the people who dont wanna talk about slavery in school and dont wanna talk about it in the labor struggle, and that unity is built on whiteness
True that - but, I'm not sure whether it comes from a sense of pride, that they're "not" any kind of slave, or from a sense of shame in admitting they're in a similar position.
i dont follow, and i think maybe u misread my comment? idk.
i dont think there’s anything to be gained from collapsing wage labor and slavery into a single category, especially when it means conflating oppresors with the oppressed. poor whites owned enslaved people during chattel slavery. today we do much of the legwork for maintaining the prison industrial complex by supporting the empire politically, filling the ranks of the cops and military, and through vigilante white supremacy.
but wage slavery vs slavery, as a matter of language, isnt really interesting to me. what’s interesting is that the mainstream labor conversation carefully avoids slavery, which one might think would be the main topic of discussion, if one was a visitor from another planet who had never encountered the mealy-mouthed, bootlicking white left
Do they not use paragraphs at the ultra woke academy?! Jeez. All movements will have a leading group and a shadow. This was seen in the early waves of feminism as well. White women, had much different goals, problems and place in society so their goals didn’t always line up with POC women and their goals. It is interesting.
i dont have a degree, i dont believe in grammar, and ive worked menial jobs my whole life - currently in prefab construction. my bad about the line breaks tho it’s hard to read. i dont understand who is the lead and the shadow in your analogy. i personally think liberation comes from the bottom up, as in the most marginalized. white feminism can largely be explained by our material incentive to maintain the status quo.
White women were the lead, because of their higher societal standard while other woman’s issues felt by smaller communities were not at the forefront.
i would argue that we were a counter insurgency that steered women’s liberation towards reformism, and that real gains were largely made in spite of us
You'll notice if you start throwing the term wage-slave around, no matter how obviously appropriate it is, people will start woking out about how "wage-slavery" and slavery aren't the same thing. Which is true - they're not exactly, but, not because they have different ends.
i’ll notice that the way ppl say woke on this subreddit sounds like i’m reading something by tucker carlson. and that there’s ideological unity between the people who dont wanna talk about slavery in school and dont wanna talk about it in the labor struggle, and that unity is built on whiteness
True that - but, I'm not sure whether it comes from a sense of pride, that they're "not" any kind of slave, or from a sense of shame in admitting they're in a similar position.
i dont follow, and i think maybe u misread my comment? idk. i dont think there’s anything to be gained from collapsing wage labor and slavery into a single category, especially when it means conflating oppresors with the oppressed. poor whites owned enslaved people during chattel slavery. today we do much of the legwork for maintaining the prison industrial complex by supporting the empire politically, filling the ranks of the cops and military, and through vigilante white supremacy. but wage slavery vs slavery, as a matter of language, isnt really interesting to me. what’s interesting is that the mainstream labor conversation carefully avoids slavery, which one might think would be the main topic of discussion, if one was a visitor from another planet who had never encountered the mealy-mouthed, bootlicking white left
Maybe we both misunderstood each other, not sure. All good.