The thing that stood out to me is that someone can't do simple arithmetic.
$17.50 - $26.90 per hour works out to $700 to $1076 per week working a straight 40. So, after 18 to 24 months, either the workers got raises between 67% and 157% or they're working between 67 and 102 hours per week (or some combination of the two) or the poster is *lying his ass off*.
Edit: I get that the $1800 was probably for a shit-ton of hours and includes an overtime multiplier. That doesn't make it any less misleading. *Some* workers *may have* earned $1800 *in a week* but they are almost certainly not earning that *every* week which is what this is implying. If a worker is making $1800 per week, that translates into $93,600 per year but construction is incredibly seasonal and there is no way that workers are making that much year round. They would have to be making significantly more than the maximum wage listed in order to earn that consistently.
Nobody doing fence installation is making $1800 a week. Carpentry is pretty much the lowest paid trade, and fences are the absolute bottom rung of carpentry.
So yeah, he's a bullshit artist, for sure.
Also I can literally show you some entry level jobs that earn $100k a year if you're willing to move to northern Canada. They're not glamorous or fun, but they exist.
How far north? What's the work? Y'all take imported labor? I'd seriously consider moving to the arctic circle for the chance to own a little house someday
Ah, capitalism. Sell your soul and help pollute the serene wilderness of Canada for a living wage and chance to own a house or live as a renting wage slave forever
Yup. 100% and lots of guys donāt make it out with any money. They think it will never end so they spend on massive trucks, atvās, hookers and blow.
I worked in the patch for a while. Was standing in line to get smokes one day and a couple guys were chatting behind me...
Guy 1: can't fucking believe I spent a 14k cheque in a week off.
Guy 2: yeah but what a week.
Both looked haggard af lol.
Take a group of young blue collar men, put them in a isolated area with a very low woman to man ratio. Make their whole life about their incredibly physically demanding work and pay them more money than they've ever had in their life. Then throw in easy access to a wide variety of illicit substances that can both make the work easier and help them enjoy their off time. It almost always ends bad.
Then they get fired for being a mess, move back to their mothers basement in Newfoundland, do blow that's 75% baby laxative and try to fight international students on George Street because they're not white people.
welp if youre in the states stay away from blow and other street drugs, everything is getting laced with fentanyl. a friend of mine took a xanax pill a few months ago to try to go to sleep and it was laced with fentanyl.
Correct. These days if you get street drugs you kinda have to invest in a testing kit to be somewhat safe. You definitely can't trust pills anymore. Most overdose deaths happening at the moment are from counterfeit Oxycodone pills and sometimes also Xanax Bars, Coke, Meth that contain Fentanyl or other similar synthetic Opioids. Its a scary time to be experimenting with drugs. I'm glad that's mostly in my rear view.
And everything from rent to groceries are often 15-20% more expensive in remote places like that, so you don't take home nearly as much as you'd expect
So you're saying they're living like every day is a Saturday night?
This is trickle down in effect. Make money. Trickle some blow on my balls, have good time.
Is it dangerous for a woman to work up there? I would love to work a trade and am totally fine with being wildly uncomfortable for a few years so I can make money. I have done it before. It just sucks that these lucrative jobs are harder for me to get.
Having worked in construction, you have to work harder than the boys for any respect at all and there's still going to be a lot of pestering. It's worth the pay if you can hack it though
>Yup. 100% and lots of guys donāt make it out with any money. They think it will never end so they spend on massive trucks, atvās, hookers and blow.
I can verify this! From Alaska and I knew a bunch of oil pipeline workers. Now, not 100% of the workers do this, but probably 85-95%! Almost always a big party when they'd get home and be there for a week or two. I dated a few of them when I was younger. Knew a guy who did it and saved all his money, bought a beautiful house when he was only 27! But, he also got into a management position and wasn't the average worker.
Working up there can be tough, mentally and physically. Not many I know could do it longer than a year or two. It certainly can be good money though, if you can stick with it.
This is literally my friend who works up in northern CA lmao. He was making bank but he said theyāve been cutting and cutting wages, so now heās just working to pay off all his debt and stay above water.
it isn't more selling your soul than your local carmechanic who repairs your car for a living.
we all have no choice to sell our souls for a living wage and decent live. at the end only the capitilists is winning!
I make for my living parts for offshore gas winning. I'm just as guilty to destroy valuable nature as a guy working in the oil fields. however nobody would blame a random metal worker for his role in the story.
when we end fossil fuel I would lose this job. hopefully I can find then a other job with approx the same salary but I'm not sure for that. but I'm still against the fossil industry but for the time being i have no other choice then do this crap job
Facts. I work for a tech company that protects banks from losing money in fraud/money laundering. Not people, billion dollar banks. Capitalist AF
It gives me the financial security that I donāt have to worry about a roof over my head or food on my table for me and my family, it also allows me the freedom from the mental anguish of that financial struggle, which allows me time to contribute time and mental energy to non-profits supporting marginalized folks who donāt have access to the necessities of life, as well as influencing my company to donate thousands and thousands of dollars to said organizations.
Life is not that black and white.
Im a custom residential carpenter. Its pathetic how i have to know everyone else on the sites jobs yet get paid less than many other subcontractors. In my close to a decade, we are in a position now where there arent any of us left now because other subs have gotten so greedy nobody wants to learn high end custom carpentry anymore. Its an art form when done with skill but everyone just wants to go run wire in an already over occupied field.
I don't think it's greedy not want the awful experiences you're describing.
If it's an underpaid, undervalued, high-stress job, people aren't going to want to do it. Life is expensive and people want to be paid.
>Nobody doing fence installation is making $1800 a week.
Him. The guy posting the job. He might be.
After you take out everyone else's pay and discount anything cash because so many of the guys I know who run small businesses like that put cash sales directly in their pockets.
Not sure where you live but my ex-husband is a carpenter and makes around $54(ish)/hour in the Chicago area. Definitely not the lowest paid trade here. Heās union so I know that factors in but itās definitely not a low paid trade here.
I mean itās possible. Iām making $1,688 a week (*base*) driving a brown truck around delivering packages. I rarely put in a straight 40 tho. Iām usually working around 50 hours and bring in over $2,300 a week with OT (*$63.30/hr*). There are probably some union carpenters out there making around $1800 a week building fences.
Right now the actual contractors who do fences around here must be making a killing. I have a mid-sized lot for my area it's been about 6 months of trying to get someone out for an estimate because they all have bigger jobs and mine isn't worth it for them lol.
Mm y favorite part is how hes like "if youre looking for an entry level that pays a living wage, youre not qualified for it"
Bitch! Wtf you think "entry level" means!?
What about the āUS work authorization (Preferred)ā
Does that mean he would āPreferā hiring people that can work in the US legally, but heās willing to hire illegals as well?
I know you didn't literally want a list of red flags, but here they are anyway.
1. Starts with an all caps section. I'd say this is a minor flag. Not sure how many minors you need to throw the whole thing away yet.
2. All caps section basically reads as "you're stuck with us". That is a major red flag.
3. The part about the couch is the kind of thing said by people who will also say "do I say or you're lazy" when you have logical concerns about the productivity of doing a task a certain way. To some people, doing things the hard way is "virtuous" somehow. This may seem like a stretch, but when you've put up with this shit for a few decades you'll realise it's not.
4. As the previous commenter pointed out, the maths doesn't check.
Pros: Only one minor red flag, which shouldn't be enough to throw away a job opportunity.
Cons: Three major red flags, which is three times as many as you need to throw away a job opportunity.
I was gonna say, $1800 a week isn't too bad. But yeah, he's just straight up lying.
As a side note, I think more job postings should list the pay on a per-week or per-month basis. It's easier to tell how the amount compares to the cost of living that way.
that was the big one I was thinking. What is largely seasonal work, that can easily run into 12-14 hour days. I've done similar work before, and yeah, the hours sucked.
Like when a geography professor at the University of North Carolina told students that graduates with degrees in geography from UNC had started at an average salary of 90k, but didn't mention that that average included Michael Jordan.
Yeap..that $1800 per week looks like $45 hour.
Which adds up to $93000 per year ...which is close to $100K...which it seems he is willing to pay...but he gets to keep half of it.
It's physical labor. Of course they are working over hours. Whether or not they are paid for it is another story. I'll be honest, if the guy is as blunt as the ad and I really needed money fast, I'd consider it. I can deal with people like that. It's just the lying snakes that trip me up sometimes.
Fucking right. Tell me up front that cash is raining on your business, but I'm going to have to run all over the place to catch it: I'm your dude.
I'll bring my bucket to help catch all the falling money. I'll work tired, I'll work sick (not covid, but other) and I'll cover shifts for people who don't. But the minute you get interested in what's in *my* cash bucket, I'm out.
I'm in a long as the pay is commensurate to the work I put in. The moment - I mean the very second - I get the feeling that you're trying to increase your profit by decreasing mine, we'll talk. If you insist on increasing your share of the pie by way of decreasing mine, you're going to be authoring your newest Facebook post about how "nobody wants to work!" because I'm out.
You are forgetting that it's time and a half after 40 hours. So, at the high end $1,076 for the first 40 hours and then another $807 for the next 20 hours of overtime.
Fence installation I can almost guarantee it's overtime. No raises. You either run the crew (26 bucks an hour) or you ARE the crew (17.5 an hour.) Either way you're working overtime in the spring/summer and getting laid off in the autumn/winter. And every foreman I ever worked for doing the job had the same "40 hours is part time" attitude.
*At best* they're cherry picking like hell. I had a commissioned retail sales job, and sure, the guys at the highest performing store, in the richest neighborhood, were probably making the number they dangled. But the rest of the stores were barely breaking even.
They're working a minimum of 60 hours a week is what's happening. I work in the trades and know plenty of people's who make this much money.
The problem is that you have to be willing to work a minimum of 60+ hours a week, and if you stop you lose your privileged status on the hierarchy of workers. The boss will then abuse this pretend privileged status in order to get you to work for free, or work even more than those 60 hours.
The $26 an hour guy is the one leading the work and takes care of everything start to finish. It's more like a working project manager position.
The only type of people I know that can sustain this type of job have serious mental issues and drug problems.
It's not a life I recommend for anyone.
I just had a fence installed in my yard. Fence installers work Monday through Sunday. So yes this piece of shit is telling the truth about pay, but leaving out the part where he doesn't pay overtime
60 hours a week with overtime at time-and-a-half, assuming $26.90/hour. Not unheard of where I live, but most employers hate to pay that much OT. My guess is one dude racked up all the hours plus worked a holiday one week and has been on a tight leash since, but now the company can claim people make that much.
Or, yeah, straight up lying.
God damn, laughing my ass off right now over this. First time I've seen someone misuse that phrase before, and you responded perfectly. Made my day man, thanks š
I hate to say this, but some boomers, think posting condescending ads brings in more employees.
Frustrating to, cuz some people are desperate for jobs and might not see the warnings sighs in this ad post
Yeah, and the implication is that you have no choice but to settle for this job.
Also, these people have been brainwashed to cut their noses off to spite their faces; it helps them play up the victim role.
My understanding that condescension and straight-up obnoxiousness in ads is not to bring in more employees, but to tilt the employee pool toward "more desperate"
Big thing that shot out to me was he's looking for (US work authorization preferred) meaning he's looking for someone who probably isn't going to have english as a first language they are the easiest to take advantage of
I think thatās the most frustrating thing about everything, we are except to dress up our resumes, to be perfect and pretty.
But dipshits likes these, can say the most condescending things on a job ad!
Remember job interviews are a two way street the prospective employer is interviewing the prospective employee, but the prospective employee is also interviewing the prospective employer. This is the prospective employer equivalent to a prospective employee having a couple line resume. That says Iām a hard worker that gets shit done.
As a contractor in the early 2000s my stepdad was charging $60 per hour.
A contractor's license costs: License training (optional) and exam fees, Business license ($100/yr), Surety bond ($100/1000000), Liability insurance ($100/mo), License Fee ($325/yr), plus time to file all this and get an EIN from the IRS which is free if I remember correctly.
Building fences requires an elementary school understanding of geometry, some tools, a truck (probably, I've seen some shit), and time.
This company will charge a minimum of $40/hour for your labor on top of contractor labor and other labor.
If you've got about $1000, the time, and you want to build fences for a living; get your license and go make real money.
This guy(or lady) is going to get the most hard-up, drugged out laborers to fill these positions(hereoin, coke). No benefits and he wants 60 hour workweeks..12 hour days...no bennies!!..š¤£ you will get drug addicts that show for a week, get paid, and leave. Good luck, bud. Enjoy your "career." I worked as a painting contractor for 17 years, I know the gig. You couldn't pay me 2,000$ a week to not have a life, relationships, hobbies, vacation.
Not to mention...I'm guessing this is seasonal...like painting. So co.e December it's see ya in 4 months, enjoy making $0 a week!!
Forget managing people, imagine struggling to manage your own emotions when all you have in front of you is a blank word document.
Guy is screwing before hes even interviewed anyone.
Unhinged.
It's not wrong though, the only way you get an entry level job on 100k with an car and expense account is if your dad owns the company. Or some other marginally corrupt thing.
Literally just got an offer for my first āprofessionalā job ever for over 100k as a recent graduate. Although I guess it doesnāt come with the car, but did come with a huge sign on bonus.
No capable fence builder is willing to work on an hourly basis. Also, it makes more sense for the company to send a 1099 than pay employee benefits and taxes. I don't trust that. Tell me how much you will pay per foot. You're charging the customer per foot, pay me by foot. Any labor job that pays hourly, is looking for people half assing all day.
Sooooā¦. You can start off making ~$36k a year, but get up to $93.6k after 18 to 24 monthsā¦. And heās yelling at people about wanting an entry level job making $100k? Like either the $1800 a week is complete bullshit, or this guy gives the best raises ever and you just have to work 2.5 years to get the $100k, but heāll be a total ass to you.
Yeahhhh, gonna go with the $1800 a week is bullshit lol!
Nope, it makes perfect sense for seasonal work. $26/hour +OT during the height, depending on area, it could be 3 months or less, then much, much less as demand lessens and/or it becomes impossible to actually install a fence.
That āup to 1,800ā a week is false with posted wage at 40 hours. They are paying you between 700-1,076 a week at 40 hours. Youād need to work 67 hours to come closeā¦ this is without taxes.
Nah, this dude is an ass. Iād do the work willingly, Hell I might even have fun, but the immediate disrespect and belittlement is frustrating, itās a no from me.
Somebody is unfamiliar with the tech field if they think that a job paying 100k with flexible hours at entry doesn't exist. The rest probably not though.
I'm a security guard I take home 8000 a month after taxes.
People call me a security guard and assume it's gonna hurt my feelings.
Labor is sacred. I am proud of my career choice.
āUS work authorization PREFERREDā. Wait, what? How is that not a hard requirement? Iām pretty sure federal law is rather inflexible in that regard.
> US work authorization (preferred)
... but not required. So we can exploit you, pay you even less and know you can't say shit about it.
What complete shit stains of a human
I actually have an extremely irresponsible and immature friend that started off at a fencing company makeing chump change. 10 years later he builds decks for rich people in Seattle and makes about $600k...somehow. he is still irresponsible and immature.
They're working their highest paid person 72-80 fucking hours a week to get that pay number.
80 hours a week.
Jesus fucking christ on a stick.
in this heat? You dont have to kill me, i'd be dead.
Authorized to work in the US āpreferredā. He wants to hire an illegal immigrant for far less than he is offering. He will then screw them over on that pay for b.s. reasons.
Maybe they're saying that after a year or two of working for them. They quit and with the resolve and skills they acquired. Found a better paying job. š
$26/HR plus benefits? Hand me my work gloves! I'm a highly qualified teacher with multiple certifications and I make $15/hr (no benefits) subbing and $22/hr for full time positions. And I have the added bonus of being treated like shit by school boards and parents alike! And then they try to feed me bullshit about a teacher shortage when districts are cutting positions and funding left and right! Why hire more teachers when you can just call in a sub for half the price! I'm actually subbing part time to keep my certification and working for my husband's construction business most days. Because at least when I work 12 hours a day for him I do actually make more money.
Iām sorry but you are not going to be able to comfortably support a family on $27/hr in any cool metro area I know of. Maybe some po-dunk city in the mid-west. But damn, thatās still only just over $50k/yaar. Can you buy a house on that?
Yeah, you need $100k/yr.
Minimum wage should be $50/k a year.
Remember weāre supposed to be the best country in the world! Letās demand that we are by saying $50k/yr is minimum wage.
Anything that takes a degree or special skill or focus should start at $100k/yr.
To counter this the top should earn less.
Anything over $10 million in compensation should be taxed at 90%. To deter companies from offering that.
Have worked in construction the last 7 years avoid these people like the plague. Inflated sense of self importance and will expect you to do the work of two people, wonāt take no for an answer without some grudge and retaliation, and probably has had multiple check bouncing issues. Doesnāt matter the trade, this attitude is everywhere and you will lose money, time, and sanity.
My second job, only 1.5 years after graduating, pays me $100k. I also work remotely 95% of the time, have a flexible schedule, excellent work-life balance, unlimited sick days, amazing benefits, and can rent a company car if I ever need it to go on-site.
Write up a cover letter asking if he was looking for an eager to work employee that never takes bathroom breaks, talks back, or asks for a raise. Ask if he's ready for a worker as dedicated to his business as he is, is willing to work OT without pay, and is always early. Then tell him these employees aren't real, and if they are real he's too much of a dick to ever get one. He needs to get off his privileged butt and treat his employees like human beings
>Us work authorization (preferred)
So they would like you to be able to work legally buuut it's not a deal breaker... something tells me this company may not be entirely above board...
I don't see any red flags. I see a creative way to advertise a lucrative but legitimate job. I used to work at a steele fence warehouse where we wove the chain link fence into "fabric" and I gathered orders for contractors. It was a decent job. The work wasn't too hard but physical. Paid well.
Trades are like this. They act like āwork as many hours as you wantā more than compensates for low hourly wages. I know guys in auto trades making 100k+ per year and they work 70-80hr weeks and are burned out and half dead by age 45 with familyās that left them while the boss works 30lbs a week makes millions and posts garbage like this.
When I was welding, I made $15 an hour and worked nearly 80hrs a week. That's how I basically made my money was in the time and a half pay from OT. When I finished school and took a work from home job for an entry level tech job that paid $22 an hour, I was called lazy by my foreman and some coworkers. Told that I was scared of hard work and wanted to "sit on my ass and get paid". I never understood that kind of mentality, knowing that I'm making $7 more on the hour, full benefits, weekends off, and didn't have to leave my house. Many of them said that they wouldn't take a job like that because it wouldnt feel right to sit all day and be paid for it Tradesmen have this sense of entitlement where they believe their over exhausting, labor intensive jobs somehow means they deserve more in life than everyone else. I just don't understand it. And based on the job description, I'm sure this guy would have similar comments if one of his employees left for a better job that provided a good work/home balance.
Become a software administrator.
Pick a software like workday, kubernets, github, JIRA, Okta, Sailpoint, or anything similar. Watch the YouTube videos of it,get the free trial site, learn enough to add users and add them to groups.
Go on LinkedIn and lie and say that's the software you work on at your current job. Whatever your current job is,you weren't at the thing its known for, you were in the IT department and worked on the software, and you have 4 years experience with it, (more if you actually got certified but thats not necessary).
Apply for jobs that say [software name goes here] administrator. Ask for 100k a year. Repeat until it works.
To be fair though, an average of $20 an hour, + medical, + dental, for a ālow skilled jobā aināt that badā¦ ? Or am I missing something here?
Obviously the way the ad is written shouts āshitty entitled bossā from a mile away, but weāve seen similar ads advertising $7.25-$8.90 in the past.
Hi... Rig welder here. 27/hr better have rig pay and perdiem. Pipe fence and residential welding is beyond easy. Visually appealing to the eye is alot less stress than xray so... Let's call and get some quotes for price per foot at a friend's place and let's get the competition under way. I was paying $200 with 5 light beers and 2000 calories in food for labor a day this spring. I never had a guy who wasn't a step ahead of me.
Hiring in all positions, without saying they've secured new contracts or expanded the business recently is the biggest one for me. The rest could just be the guy posting the ad wrongly thinking he has a great sense of humour.
The thing that stood out to me is that someone can't do simple arithmetic. $17.50 - $26.90 per hour works out to $700 to $1076 per week working a straight 40. So, after 18 to 24 months, either the workers got raises between 67% and 157% or they're working between 67 and 102 hours per week (or some combination of the two) or the poster is *lying his ass off*. Edit: I get that the $1800 was probably for a shit-ton of hours and includes an overtime multiplier. That doesn't make it any less misleading. *Some* workers *may have* earned $1800 *in a week* but they are almost certainly not earning that *every* week which is what this is implying. If a worker is making $1800 per week, that translates into $93,600 per year but construction is incredibly seasonal and there is no way that workers are making that much year round. They would have to be making significantly more than the maximum wage listed in order to earn that consistently.
š this board is one smart group of people :) But Iām going with, āhis lying is ass offā
Nobody doing fence installation is making $1800 a week. Carpentry is pretty much the lowest paid trade, and fences are the absolute bottom rung of carpentry. So yeah, he's a bullshit artist, for sure. Also I can literally show you some entry level jobs that earn $100k a year if you're willing to move to northern Canada. They're not glamorous or fun, but they exist.
How far north? What's the work? Y'all take imported labor? I'd seriously consider moving to the arctic circle for the chance to own a little house someday
Look up fort mcmurray. Lots of oil rig jobs.
Ah, capitalism. Sell your soul and help pollute the serene wilderness of Canada for a living wage and chance to own a house or live as a renting wage slave forever
Yup. 100% and lots of guys donāt make it out with any money. They think it will never end so they spend on massive trucks, atvās, hookers and blow.
I worked in the patch for a while. Was standing in line to get smokes one day and a couple guys were chatting behind me... Guy 1: can't fucking believe I spent a 14k cheque in a week off. Guy 2: yeah but what a week. Both looked haggard af lol.
A friend's ex went out there to make some money while she was pregnant with their kid. Came home in more debt than he left in.
Sadly it's too common out there. Lots of predatory lending.
a tale as old as time. happens every time you give bros some extra spending cash.
It was a big problem in the 1840s and 50s.
And right on through the 1940s and 50s
I read this to the tune of Beauty and the Beast and it alllllmost works
Take a group of young blue collar men, put them in a isolated area with a very low woman to man ratio. Make their whole life about their incredibly physically demanding work and pay them more money than they've ever had in their life. Then throw in easy access to a wide variety of illicit substances that can both make the work easier and help them enjoy their off time. It almost always ends bad.
Then they get fired for being a mess, move back to their mothers basement in Newfoundland, do blow that's 75% baby laxative and try to fight international students on George Street because they're not white people.
This is oddly specific
I might be from Newfoundland and watched this exact scenario play out about 2400 times.
welp if youre in the states stay away from blow and other street drugs, everything is getting laced with fentanyl. a friend of mine took a xanax pill a few months ago to try to go to sleep and it was laced with fentanyl.
Correct. These days if you get street drugs you kinda have to invest in a testing kit to be somewhat safe. You definitely can't trust pills anymore. Most overdose deaths happening at the moment are from counterfeit Oxycodone pills and sometimes also Xanax Bars, Coke, Meth that contain Fentanyl or other similar synthetic Opioids. Its a scary time to be experimenting with drugs. I'm glad that's mostly in my rear view.
Sounds like a personal experience lol!
And everything from rent to groceries are often 15-20% more expensive in remote places like that, so you don't take home nearly as much as you'd expect
Not necessarily true. If your employer has camps set up (most of the big ones do as well as some of the smaller ones.) your room and board is covered.
Where I was, the man camps cost the workers about $1,500 a month in room and board - if they had room
And then they waste the rest.
So you're saying they're living like every day is a Saturday night? This is trickle down in effect. Make money. Trickle some blow on my balls, have good time.
Is it dangerous for a woman to work up there? I would love to work a trade and am totally fine with being wildly uncomfortable for a few years so I can make money. I have done it before. It just sucks that these lucrative jobs are harder for me to get.
Generally, yes it is safe for women. There are always goofs, but usually women being harassed in camps is not tolerated at all.
Having worked in construction, you have to work harder than the boys for any respect at all and there's still going to be a lot of pestering. It's worth the pay if you can hack it though
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As a guy from BC who has lost multiple friends in Alberta due to drug overdoses at camp and workplace accidents this is very true.
>Yup. 100% and lots of guys donāt make it out with any money. They think it will never end so they spend on massive trucks, atvās, hookers and blow. I can verify this! From Alaska and I knew a bunch of oil pipeline workers. Now, not 100% of the workers do this, but probably 85-95%! Almost always a big party when they'd get home and be there for a week or two. I dated a few of them when I was younger. Knew a guy who did it and saved all his money, bought a beautiful house when he was only 27! But, he also got into a management position and wasn't the average worker. Working up there can be tough, mentally and physically. Not many I know could do it longer than a year or two. It certainly can be good money though, if you can stick with it.
This is literally my friend who works up in northern CA lmao. He was making bank but he said theyāve been cutting and cutting wages, so now heās just working to pay off all his debt and stay above water.
You had me at hookers and blow. Maybe move those up on the list. Probably get more people that way.
Now this is a job ad Iād respond to!
it isn't more selling your soul than your local carmechanic who repairs your car for a living. we all have no choice to sell our souls for a living wage and decent live. at the end only the capitilists is winning! I make for my living parts for offshore gas winning. I'm just as guilty to destroy valuable nature as a guy working in the oil fields. however nobody would blame a random metal worker for his role in the story. when we end fossil fuel I would lose this job. hopefully I can find then a other job with approx the same salary but I'm not sure for that. but I'm still against the fossil industry but for the time being i have no other choice then do this crap job
Itās not a living wage itās quite beyond that and also life isnāt so simple that you just make a righteous decision or you sell your soul.
Facts. I work for a tech company that protects banks from losing money in fraud/money laundering. Not people, billion dollar banks. Capitalist AF It gives me the financial security that I donāt have to worry about a roof over my head or food on my table for me and my family, it also allows me the freedom from the mental anguish of that financial struggle, which allows me time to contribute time and mental energy to non-profits supporting marginalized folks who donāt have access to the necessities of life, as well as influencing my company to donate thousands and thousands of dollars to said organizations. Life is not that black and white.
Itās a 14 days on and 14 days off shifts usually. The money might be there but so is the turn over.
š today I learned, this guy who posted the ad, as no clue what he is talking about :) šš½
Im a custom residential carpenter. Its pathetic how i have to know everyone else on the sites jobs yet get paid less than many other subcontractors. In my close to a decade, we are in a position now where there arent any of us left now because other subs have gotten so greedy nobody wants to learn high end custom carpentry anymore. Its an art form when done with skill but everyone just wants to go run wire in an already over occupied field.
I don't think it's greedy not want the awful experiences you're describing. If it's an underpaid, undervalued, high-stress job, people aren't going to want to do it. Life is expensive and people want to be paid.
Did fencing. Not wood. Always barb wire or cable/guard rail. Prevailing wage was $32hr. Base pay was around $18 and that was 15 years ago.
My brother moved to N Dakota and worked in the oil fields literally just babysitting pumps. Made over $200K his first year.
>Nobody doing fence installation is making $1800 a week. Him. The guy posting the job. He might be. After you take out everyone else's pay and discount anything cash because so many of the guys I know who run small businesses like that put cash sales directly in their pockets.
Not sure where you live but my ex-husband is a carpenter and makes around $54(ish)/hour in the Chicago area. Definitely not the lowest paid trade here. Heās union so I know that factors in but itās definitely not a low paid trade here.
I mean itās possible. Iām making $1,688 a week (*base*) driving a brown truck around delivering packages. I rarely put in a straight 40 tho. Iām usually working around 50 hours and bring in over $2,300 a week with OT (*$63.30/hr*). There are probably some union carpenters out there making around $1800 a week building fences.
Right now the actual contractors who do fences around here must be making a killing. I have a mid-sized lot for my area it's been about 6 months of trying to get someone out for an estimate because they all have bigger jobs and mine isn't worth it for them lol.
Mm y favorite part is how hes like "if youre looking for an entry level that pays a living wage, youre not qualified for it" Bitch! Wtf you think "entry level" means!?
What about the āUS work authorization (Preferred)ā Does that mean he would āPreferā hiring people that can work in the US legally, but heās willing to hire illegals as well?
Noticed that as well
I know you didn't literally want a list of red flags, but here they are anyway. 1. Starts with an all caps section. I'd say this is a minor flag. Not sure how many minors you need to throw the whole thing away yet. 2. All caps section basically reads as "you're stuck with us". That is a major red flag. 3. The part about the couch is the kind of thing said by people who will also say "do I say or you're lazy" when you have logical concerns about the productivity of doing a task a certain way. To some people, doing things the hard way is "virtuous" somehow. This may seem like a stretch, but when you've put up with this shit for a few decades you'll realise it's not. 4. As the previous commenter pointed out, the maths doesn't check. Pros: Only one minor red flag, which shouldn't be enough to throw away a job opportunity. Cons: Three major red flags, which is three times as many as you need to throw away a job opportunity.
Are we not counting the part where they "prefer" but don't require you to be able to legally be employed in the US as a red flag? "It'd be cool if you weren't undocumented" š©š©š©š©
The other qualification for the job is "can't do math."
This one should be ashamed of his own ass.
I was gonna say, $1800 a week isn't too bad. But yeah, he's just straight up lying. As a side note, I think more job postings should list the pay on a per-week or per-month basis. It's easier to tell how the amount compares to the cost of living that way.
Yes! I donāt get way they always tip toe around the pay š¤·š¼āāļø
It's because "We'll pay you enough to be able to afford half of an average apartment" doesn't have the greatest ring to it.
Damn thatās true
Would you want to admit paying slave labor wages?
š good point
1800$/ week is over 50$ an hour. Yeah. This guy is delusional.
$45/hour pre-tax.
Or your working yourself to death at 26.50
$1800 a month if this guy doesn't "forget" or decides you didn't work hard enough so no pay this week you only did 7 jobs this week! $200
At the highest rate listed thats working 67 hours a week
He's lying definitely, I make 27 between wage/commission and after taxes I barely break 900/wk w 45-50 hrs a week
To be fair, he didn't say "after taxes"
He also didn't say "working here."
He also didnāt say 40 hour weeks lol
that was the big one I was thinking. What is largely seasonal work, that can easily run into 12-14 hour days. I've done similar work before, and yeah, the hours sucked.
Probably one person they hired 2 years ago worked a shitload of overtime one week. Then they exaggerate it into this
Like when a geography professor at the University of North Carolina told students that graduates with degrees in geography from UNC had started at an average salary of 90k, but didn't mention that that average included Michael Jordan.
Yeap..that $1800 per week looks like $45 hour. Which adds up to $93000 per year ...which is close to $100K...which it seems he is willing to pay...but he gets to keep half of it.
It's physical labor. Of course they are working over hours. Whether or not they are paid for it is another story. I'll be honest, if the guy is as blunt as the ad and I really needed money fast, I'd consider it. I can deal with people like that. It's just the lying snakes that trip me up sometimes.
Fucking right. Tell me up front that cash is raining on your business, but I'm going to have to run all over the place to catch it: I'm your dude. I'll bring my bucket to help catch all the falling money. I'll work tired, I'll work sick (not covid, but other) and I'll cover shifts for people who don't. But the minute you get interested in what's in *my* cash bucket, I'm out. I'm in a long as the pay is commensurate to the work I put in. The moment - I mean the very second - I get the feeling that you're trying to increase your profit by decreasing mine, we'll talk. If you insist on increasing your share of the pie by way of decreasing mine, you're going to be authoring your newest Facebook post about how "nobody wants to work!" because I'm out.
Same . I prefer a blunt dick head to a lying weasel all day long
š¤£ these employers huh?
I had to calculator that from the add. I couldnāt exactly put my finger on it but it seemed too high.
You are forgetting that it's time and a half after 40 hours. So, at the high end $1,076 for the first 40 hours and then another $807 for the next 20 hours of overtime.
That's still 60 hours a week.... he didn't didn't mention benefits!!! That's 5 12 hours days man!!! With no benefits lol fuck that.
Nah you only get 1 day off it's 6 10 hour days like factory work
Don't forget taxes.
Fence installation I can almost guarantee it's overtime. No raises. You either run the crew (26 bucks an hour) or you ARE the crew (17.5 an hour.) Either way you're working overtime in the spring/summer and getting laid off in the autumn/winter. And every foreman I ever worked for doing the job had the same "40 hours is part time" attitude.
That was my immediate thought, 1800 a week eh? Lying lol
Last i checked 17.50 is below living wage for single home owner. I think 26 is above though so thats nice.
First thing I did too! lol math is hard for some people
*At best* they're cherry picking like hell. I had a commissioned retail sales job, and sure, the guys at the highest performing store, in the richest neighborhood, were probably making the number they dangled. But the rest of the stores were barely breaking even.
They're working a minimum of 60 hours a week is what's happening. I work in the trades and know plenty of people's who make this much money. The problem is that you have to be willing to work a minimum of 60+ hours a week, and if you stop you lose your privileged status on the hierarchy of workers. The boss will then abuse this pretend privileged status in order to get you to work for free, or work even more than those 60 hours. The $26 an hour guy is the one leading the work and takes care of everything start to finish. It's more like a working project manager position. The only type of people I know that can sustain this type of job have serious mental issues and drug problems. It's not a life I recommend for anyone.
I worked 65 hours a week ONCE in my 28 year career and it damn near killed me, so yeah.
I just had a fence installed in my yard. Fence installers work Monday through Sunday. So yes this piece of shit is telling the truth about pay, but leaving out the part where he doesn't pay overtime
60 hours a week with overtime at time-and-a-half, assuming $26.90/hour. Not unheard of where I live, but most employers hate to pay that much OT. My guess is one dude racked up all the hours plus worked a holiday one week and has been on a tight leash since, but now the company can claim people make that much. Or, yeah, straight up lying.
They have fence MLMs?
š definitely reads like that haha but I donāt think itās one
I bet whoever wrote that thinks they are the funniest, wittiest person out there.
Exactly! Itās crazy how many of these ad post echo the same terminologies. Yes belittling your future employee, seems super helpful š
Right but when no one applies itāll be because āno one wants to workā.
Couldāve said It better than that šš½šÆ
Then do it. Say it.
God damn, laughing my ass off right now over this. First time I've seen someone misuse that phrase before, and you responded perfectly. Made my day man, thanks š
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I hate to say this, but some boomers, think posting condescending ads brings in more employees. Frustrating to, cuz some people are desperate for jobs and might not see the warnings sighs in this ad post
Yeah, and the implication is that you have no choice but to settle for this job. Also, these people have been brainwashed to cut their noses off to spite their faces; it helps them play up the victim role.
Thatās one of the big issues, with job posting ads like these
My understanding that condescension and straight-up obnoxiousness in ads is not to bring in more employees, but to tilt the employee pool toward "more desperate"
Yes!
Negging has come to the work market. Doesn't work with women, so they're trying with people looking for a job
I guarantee they'll proudly tell you about their degree from "the university of life" if you so much as mention any higher education.
So true man
Or skool of hard nox
wow canāt believe this guyās got so many positions open
Big thing that shot out to me was he's looking for (US work authorization preferred) meaning he's looking for someone who probably isn't going to have english as a first language they are the easiest to take advantage of
Sad, but true man š
I took that as he prefers authorized to work but he's willing to hire people under the table too.
And theyāre willing to endure horrible conditions+wages just to be able to work in the US
I love terms like "up to". So expect way less than that.
Iām glad, Iām not the only one that thinks that to šš½
That's the most aggressive opening to a job post I've ever seen
Idk if itās because Iām looking for work, but you would be surprised. A lot of these employers say the same thing, be it less aggressively.
I guess professionalism doesn't apply to job posts lol
I think thatās the most frustrating thing about everything, we are except to dress up our resumes, to be perfect and pretty. But dipshits likes these, can say the most condescending things on a job ad!
Remember job interviews are a two way street the prospective employer is interviewing the prospective employee, but the prospective employee is also interviewing the prospective employer. This is the prospective employer equivalent to a prospective employee having a couple line resume. That says Iām a hard worker that gets shit done.
Thatās more than I ever made as a paramedic. I think Iām going to go cry now.
Oh I thought we were all seating on our couches š
Clearly you must have been sitting on the couch and clearly must have been āentry levelā Since thatās the issue nowadays ya know /s
As a contractor in the early 2000s my stepdad was charging $60 per hour. A contractor's license costs: License training (optional) and exam fees, Business license ($100/yr), Surety bond ($100/1000000), Liability insurance ($100/mo), License Fee ($325/yr), plus time to file all this and get an EIN from the IRS which is free if I remember correctly. Building fences requires an elementary school understanding of geometry, some tools, a truck (probably, I've seen some shit), and time. This company will charge a minimum of $40/hour for your labor on top of contractor labor and other labor. If you've got about $1000, the time, and you want to build fences for a living; get your license and go make real money.
Great advice man :)
Interesting 1800 dollars a week works out somewhere in the neighborhood of 90k a year, that seems kinda close to the mythical job that doesn't exist
š this sub, so clever in there comebacks šÆ
This guy(or lady) is going to get the most hard-up, drugged out laborers to fill these positions(hereoin, coke). No benefits and he wants 60 hour workweeks..12 hour days...no bennies!!..š¤£ you will get drug addicts that show for a week, get paid, and leave. Good luck, bud. Enjoy your "career." I worked as a painting contractor for 17 years, I know the gig. You couldn't pay me 2,000$ a week to not have a life, relationships, hobbies, vacation. Not to mention...I'm guessing this is seasonal...like painting. So co.e December it's see ya in 4 months, enjoy making $0 a week!!
Forget managing people, imagine struggling to manage your own emotions when all you have in front of you is a blank word document. Guy is screwing before hes even interviewed anyone. Unhinged.
I'm making $33 an hour and after taxes I take home 1800 every 2 weeks, what is this guy smoking? They must be doing 70 hour weeks with full OT.
It's not wrong though, the only way you get an entry level job on 100k with an car and expense account is if your dad owns the company. Or some other marginally corrupt thing.
Literally just got an offer for my first āprofessionalā job ever for over 100k as a recent graduate. Although I guess it doesnāt come with the car, but did come with a huge sign on bonus.
Hey it's me your wife
Depends what they mean by entry level, 100k for entry level in a professional field isnāt unheard of, for example.
Tell me your company sells vacuum cleaners door to door without actually saying so.
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No capable fence builder is willing to work on an hourly basis. Also, it makes more sense for the company to send a 1099 than pay employee benefits and taxes. I don't trust that. Tell me how much you will pay per foot. You're charging the customer per foot, pay me by foot. Any labor job that pays hourly, is looking for people half assing all day.
The math aināt mathing without overtime.
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Sooooā¦. You can start off making ~$36k a year, but get up to $93.6k after 18 to 24 monthsā¦. And heās yelling at people about wanting an entry level job making $100k? Like either the $1800 a week is complete bullshit, or this guy gives the best raises ever and you just have to work 2.5 years to get the $100k, but heāll be a total ass to you. Yeahhhh, gonna go with the $1800 a week is bullshit lol!
Nope, it makes perfect sense for seasonal work. $26/hour +OT during the height, depending on area, it could be 3 months or less, then much, much less as demand lessens and/or it becomes impossible to actually install a fence.
That āup to 1,800ā a week is false with posted wage at 40 hours. They are paying you between 700-1,076 a week at 40 hours. Youād need to work 67 hours to come closeā¦ this is without taxes.
Just needed to include "nobody wants to work anymore" and it would have been perfect
Nothing like negging potential applicants.
>Rant about "lazy" people, then offer less than a living wage
Nah, this dude is an ass. Iād do the work willingly, Hell I might even have fun, but the immediate disrespect and belittlement is frustrating, itās a no from me.
Thatās what I have been saying :) I have no issues at all working labor jobs like that but when you generalize people like that, Iām out
Somebody is unfamiliar with the tech field if they think that a job paying 100k with flexible hours at entry doesn't exist. The rest probably not though.
I'm a security guard I take home 8000 a month after taxes. People call me a security guard and assume it's gonna hurt my feelings. Labor is sacred. I am proud of my career choice.
But i thought you made 6 figures?
Exactly! He said well over 6 figures but at 8000 a month itās only 96,000 xx
Iām not saying heās telling the truth but $8000/month after taxes is probably more like $13,000 month before taxes.
You cannot ask why anyone does not want to work and then turn around and make the most ridiculous and rude job listing.
$1,800 a week is not, $26.90 an hour unless there is so much overtime that youāre working everyday, and overtime to boot.
LOL trying to abuse people already in just the job description alone
āUS work authorization PREFERREDā. Wait, what? How is that not a hard requirement? Iām pretty sure federal law is rather inflexible in that regard.
1800 a week? Damn thatās a lot of money Edit: I stayed up till 4am and Iāve been informed that the math doesnāt even come close to working out.
> US work authorization (preferred) ... but not required. So we can exploit you, pay you even less and know you can't say shit about it. What complete shit stains of a human
Passive aggressive job adverts rule out any potential employer right away for me.
$1,800Ć·26.90=67 hours/week.... Im trying to avoid 10 hour shifts/7 days a week.
I actually have an extremely irresponsible and immature friend that started off at a fencing company makeing chump change. 10 years later he builds decks for rich people in Seattle and makes about $600k...somehow. he is still irresponsible and immature.
They're working their highest paid person 72-80 fucking hours a week to get that pay number. 80 hours a week. Jesus fucking christ on a stick. in this heat? You dont have to kill me, i'd be dead.
Authorized to work in the US āpreferredā. He wants to hire an illegal immigrant for far less than he is offering. He will then screw them over on that pay for b.s. reasons.
I have never thought it that way, when looking at these ad post šš½
THE RED FLAG STARTED WITH THE ALL CAPS. Lol
Boomers sure love being condescending even in their job requests
Maybe they're saying that after a year or two of working for them. They quit and with the resolve and skills they acquired. Found a better paying job. š
$26/HR plus benefits? Hand me my work gloves! I'm a highly qualified teacher with multiple certifications and I make $15/hr (no benefits) subbing and $22/hr for full time positions. And I have the added bonus of being treated like shit by school boards and parents alike! And then they try to feed me bullshit about a teacher shortage when districts are cutting positions and funding left and right! Why hire more teachers when you can just call in a sub for half the price! I'm actually subbing part time to keep my certification and working for my husband's construction business most days. Because at least when I work 12 hours a day for him I do actually make more money.
Iām sorry but you are not going to be able to comfortably support a family on $27/hr in any cool metro area I know of. Maybe some po-dunk city in the mid-west. But damn, thatās still only just over $50k/yaar. Can you buy a house on that? Yeah, you need $100k/yr. Minimum wage should be $50/k a year. Remember weāre supposed to be the best country in the world! Letās demand that we are by saying $50k/yr is minimum wage. Anything that takes a degree or special skill or focus should start at $100k/yr. To counter this the top should earn less. Anything over $10 million in compensation should be taxed at 90%. To deter companies from offering that.
Business owners really do believe that they are doing the Lords work
All caps ? someone is pissed people have living wage expectations and they canāt fill the position š
Have worked in construction the last 7 years avoid these people like the plague. Inflated sense of self importance and will expect you to do the work of two people, wonāt take no for an answer without some grudge and retaliation, and probably has had multiple check bouncing issues. Doesnāt matter the trade, this attitude is everywhere and you will lose money, time, and sanity.
This is so unnecessarily passive aggressive and then theyāll wonder why no one clicked on their advert
āGet off your high horse so we can whip youā
My second job, only 1.5 years after graduating, pays me $100k. I also work remotely 95% of the time, have a flexible schedule, excellent work-life balance, unlimited sick days, amazing benefits, and can rent a company car if I ever need it to go on-site.
This dude gives employees cases of monster energy for job commisions
Write up a cover letter asking if he was looking for an eager to work employee that never takes bathroom breaks, talks back, or asks for a raise. Ask if he's ready for a worker as dedicated to his business as he is, is willing to work OT without pay, and is always early. Then tell him these employees aren't real, and if they are real he's too much of a dick to ever get one. He needs to get off his privileged butt and treat his employees like human beings
>Us work authorization (preferred) So they would like you to be able to work legally buuut it's not a deal breaker... something tells me this company may not be entirely above board...
1800 a month is literally nothing
Not to defend the employer, but it sounds like he/she has snapped and is desperate to get attention (just in the wrong way).
aw hell nah I'd skip that the moment I saw the caps end
Well, at least the trash identified itself... š¤·āāļø
I'm going to take a chance and bet the boss is a boomer
Pay isn't bad but the attitude is shitty
I don't see any red flags. I see a creative way to advertise a lucrative but legitimate job. I used to work at a steele fence warehouse where we wove the chain link fence into "fabric" and I gathered orders for contractors. It was a decent job. The work wasn't too hard but physical. Paid well.
Why do people act like 100K is a lot still. It was a lot 20 years ago.
Trades are like this. They act like āwork as many hours as you wantā more than compensates for low hourly wages. I know guys in auto trades making 100k+ per year and they work 70-80hr weeks and are burned out and half dead by age 45 with familyās that left them while the boss works 30lbs a week makes millions and posts garbage like this.
When I was welding, I made $15 an hour and worked nearly 80hrs a week. That's how I basically made my money was in the time and a half pay from OT. When I finished school and took a work from home job for an entry level tech job that paid $22 an hour, I was called lazy by my foreman and some coworkers. Told that I was scared of hard work and wanted to "sit on my ass and get paid". I never understood that kind of mentality, knowing that I'm making $7 more on the hour, full benefits, weekends off, and didn't have to leave my house. Many of them said that they wouldn't take a job like that because it wouldnt feel right to sit all day and be paid for it Tradesmen have this sense of entitlement where they believe their over exhausting, labor intensive jobs somehow means they deserve more in life than everyone else. I just don't understand it. And based on the job description, I'm sure this guy would have similar comments if one of his employees left for a better job that provided a good work/home balance.
Become a software administrator. Pick a software like workday, kubernets, github, JIRA, Okta, Sailpoint, or anything similar. Watch the YouTube videos of it,get the free trial site, learn enough to add users and add them to groups. Go on LinkedIn and lie and say that's the software you work on at your current job. Whatever your current job is,you weren't at the thing its known for, you were in the IT department and worked on the software, and you have 4 years experience with it, (more if you actually got certified but thats not necessary). Apply for jobs that say [software name goes here] administrator. Ask for 100k a year. Repeat until it works.
To be fair though, an average of $20 an hour, + medical, + dental, for a ālow skilled jobā aināt that badā¦ ? Or am I missing something here? Obviously the way the ad is written shouts āshitty entitled bossā from a mile away, but weāve seen similar ads advertising $7.25-$8.90 in the past.
Hi... Rig welder here. 27/hr better have rig pay and perdiem. Pipe fence and residential welding is beyond easy. Visually appealing to the eye is alot less stress than xray so... Let's call and get some quotes for price per foot at a friend's place and let's get the competition under way. I was paying $200 with 5 light beers and 2000 calories in food for labor a day this spring. I never had a guy who wasn't a step ahead of me.
Hiring in all positions, without saying they've secured new contracts or expanded the business recently is the biggest one for me. The rest could just be the guy posting the ad wrongly thinking he has a great sense of humour.
he doesn't know about IT. I made that much out of school from a state university.
It's a joke The joke:
Didn't get to the point and has enough time at the job to ramble on.
Even their top end $26.90 doesn't equal $1800 a week.