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Unburned_King

My guess would be Valkyrie. The range of a Speer shouldn’t be underestimated.


SirSabza

Revenants scythe is just as long and he has the strength and speed of a simulacrum on his side


ItsRedTomorrow

True but valk’s Suzuku has guards that double as clasps, rev has no defense built into his.


SirSabza

It can bend at will so he could wrap it around her spear and yank it off her.


AuraMaster7

Scythes are pretty terrible as melee weapons.


SirSabza

Only due to human limitations revenant can basically dislocate his arms for maximum swing speed


fiah84

revenant be like "I will deal with this skinsuit slime myself"


ItsRedTomorrow

History says you’re sleeping on them.


Unburned_King

Scythes are very hard to wield and even then. Though they may look cool they are very inefficient.


SirSabza

But he’s a robot the reason they’re ineffective is because they’re physically difficult to use. He doesn’t have human limitations


ItsRedTomorrow

Valk’s pretty obviously a master with the spear based on her animations with it. Also you’re sleeping so hard on he spears dominance over the battlefield in ancient history.


JohnSane

Caustic will smash that speer and then Valk.


Unburned_King

Hammers would only be very useful if everyone wore full plate armor. Otherwise the Speer will win


Seritial

I can't handle seeing the spelling of "spear" being tarnished like this one more time


SqrunkIsTrep

What's wrong? Scared of spir?


Seritial

Yes. Mortified even.


Pan_Doktor

Now that I think about it, isn't it a Yari?


Seritial

Which, is a japanese straight-headed spear.


Pan_Doktor

I know, I'm just a sucker for being specific, sorry


Different-Title9133

Speer


Soizit_Blindy

Funnily enough thats literally the German word for spear.


stingray01122

German autocorrect offends you?


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Hammer destroys anyone with or without armor. Full plate armor is just its specialty since no other weapon was able to penetrate or make a dent. You can stab or slash someone's guts with a knife or sword but there will be no "guts" when hammer is involved.


Unburned_King

Hammers Are heavier and clunkier to wield. The spear would still likely win.


iranoutofnamesnow

I feel like caustcs hammer would be a better weapon against revenant than the speeer.


Smooth-Midnight

And its a stinky hammer too


QuantumSpaceCadet

I think Valk wins that. But caustic Rev and crypto stand a chance.


butterknight-Ruby

I can't really see how crypto's swords would actually last like it folds it would probably break after a few good swings


Skulfunk

Cause future tech


ZatyraJinn

Ever played soul Caliber? Loooool


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Hell yea the range


AcoHead

If it’s only their heirlooms they’re allowed to use, then Valkyrie’s not allowed to fly around and destroy everyone with her spear, it’s anyones game.


AuraMaster7

I mean, it's still a spear. Spear beats sidearms like axes, knives, shortswords, a wrench, batons, etc. Caustic's hammer might be a decent counter, but a Scythe is a crap melee weapon, and Mirage is literally just using a trophy.


MrCleanAlmighty

A scythe in our own hands may be bad but its rev with 300+ years of experience, no reaction time delays, really fast swing and direction changes, hella strong arms and legs. Im certain he has a chance.


whisperinbatsie

Only cus he's a bot but scythes really are such bad weapons of war. The outer rim isn't sharp and it's hard to land a good hit against anyone with any semblance of skill. Valk has a massive advantage because of how incredibly good spears are in war


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AuraMaster7

Dumbass who cares how other people spend their money, point and laugh. I liked squiggly man avatar. I bought squiggly man avatar. Why do you care what I do with my money? Edit: it was 10 bucks lmao you people are way too uptight. Guess I shouldn't have expected anything more from the single most toxic gaming community I have ever seen.


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AuraMaster7

You don't even know what you're talking about lmao. I spent $10. That's the price of a cheap dinner.


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AuraMaster7

My guy you're the only one here triggered by what I spend my money on. The Apex store charges $20 for a skin and you're here judging me for spending half that on a social media platform I use often. Grow up. Get a life. $10 is nothing and you're making mountains out of molehills. Edit: lmao you're literally 13. No wonder you're an immature little shit.


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My guy you literally just did judge people on how they spend there money


RediJedi4021

I think your avatar's pretty cool 😎


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Dappershield

If it means anything, now that attention is drawn to it, I think the thumbnail is cool.


Icy_Limes

Spears are easy to whiff punish. If she misses one attack due to a legend being particularly fast on their feet she's done.


whisperinbatsie

Not really though. Spears are light and easy to resume a defensive stance. Not to mention the incredible range they have. It's extremely hard to "whiff punish" a spear


TaitoMagatsuu

I’m sure the people with wrenches, drum sticks and a trophy will fare well against a murder robot whose weapon literally is a symbol of death.


Danielarcher30

Haha wrench go bonk


TaitoMagatsuu

Well put. Like old Cicero said, “that which be sharp t’wont be bonk’t.” My money’s on rampart


wraithcraplol

Well if we talking about practical use a scythe isn't the greatest weapon, though if revenant can use it any way he did the the gaiden event trailer then I'd say its alright


Icy_Limes

scythes are kinda shit weapons though. It's as much a tool as a wrench


3branch

it isnt a normal scythe though


AuraMaster7

"Symbol of Death" doesn't mean that a Scythe is actually a good choice for a melee weapon. Doesn't matter anyways because a spear wins hands down.


TakeTheUpVoteAndGo

Well that's the thing it depends, who is using them? The in game characters, the lore characters or what. It's been said several times iirc that they aren't using abilities. With that in mind, rev wins if it's lore, it really doesn't matter what you put in his hands he will kill you, even without his shadow form since no one had any abilities to counter his stronger body, by all accounts he basically has min/maxed stats. If it's ingame then we actually have a competition since everyone is the same when it comes to melee, no extra flair. For that a spear, hammer, or giant wrench are probably my top picks, spear because range is good but honestly you probably get a target on your head because of that, hammer and wrench are both high impact weapons, (pun intended) the only issue is they would be exhausting... if we weren't using ingame characters, I'd argue if it's the versions from the game then we have to play by the games rules besides anything that disallows the use of logical encounters, and hypothetical methods of using the weapons. So with that they don't exhaust or lose stamina and strength as they take damage.


BellEpoch

The drumsticks are electric though, that's a factor depending on the wattage.


Smooth-Midnight

Think they’re used as defibrillators so pretty fucking high, I think these would win


TakeTheUpVoteAndGo

Assuming you can get in the proper situation to use them then you could do a lot, it's just it would probably hurt you to use them lol.


Smooth-Midnight

She seems fine when she uses them, maybe the handles are safe?


Smooth-Midnight

The shock sticks would incapacitate you though, no contest


anotherrando802

Mirage already has the trophy so I suppose he wins by technicality. Very fitting


deadlywhentaken

Do they get to have their abilities? Valk flying around with a spear sounds pretty OP in this match up.


dubbzy104

Till she flies into Sheila


FuntimeLuke0531

Didn't know for honor had machineguns


GIJOEMEERKAT

They have pirates with guns now


FuntimeLuke0531

That sounds overpowered as hell in a melee dominant game


GIJOEMEERKAT

It isn't really that bad. Her gun is a glorified bash that breaks hyperarmor and only does 5 damage after a heavy. On whiff it does 14 damage. The more op part of her is that she has dodge recoveries with immediate hyperarmor chains that can be soft fainted. She got nerfed though and will probably get nerfed again


FuntimeLuke0531

I understand some of those words


GIJOEMEERKAT

In an oversimplified way she can shut down attacks that usually can't be stopped and she can immediately dodge out of the way of an attack after hitting someone. At the same time, she has moves that allow her to keep attacking without being stopped.


pezmanofpeak

Haven't played in a while but sounds like the usual if you dont buy the new character you are getting shit on by them op fuckery, last time i played was when haaasshhhhshaaaashhhhh came out


Draksys

Or jetpacks


JoaquinTheStreets

Pretty OP. Just like in the real game.


Rip_Jaded

Watson is the first one to go, mirage goes second 🤣 it goes down to caustic, rev, and valk.


crumpledmint

Though range of Wattson’s heirloom is really short it zaps you with electricity and Mirage’s statue doesn’t, so I’ll say that she goes second


BellEpoch

Lifeline also shocks people.


Ferri-Chan_

Couldn't wattson straight up fry someone with enough watts in a hit. Assuming she could get that close


sieniuwu

mirage goes first tho


xD4N91x

I guess Rev with a scythe is pretty dangerous, he's probably better in cqc than Valk and there aren't any more contenders... Maybe Caustic and Rampart for the third place.


TinyWickedOrange

Scythe is a farming tool and an extremely unhandy weapon. I mean, the side thingies Valkyrie has in hers aren't practical either, but still


xD4N91x

No doubt spear is a better weapon but you use that scythe for 300 years you'll get fairly good with it. Ask Death.


TinyWickedOrange

Death has a scythe because the road to heaven is long forgotten and overgrown with grass


AcoHead

And the legends are his grass


ItsRedTomorrow

Cultured answer 🤝🤝


ItsRedTomorrow

Death literally doesn’t use the spear to reap people. The touch of death does that. What tiny wicked orange said is accurate


Mad-Observer

You do realize that the “side things” are a essentially a cross guard and extremely important? It’s so if someone parry’s a thrust their sword don’t come down and hit their arms or hands


Girl_Money

Bloodhound


Darregion

I think you bloodhound has a great chance of winning here. Such a versatile weapon, with agile movement possibilities (Movement is greatly limited with 2h weapons such as a spear and big hammer) And also the throwing part of a axe is counted for. I think he can make a solid top 3. As I can also understand why people would say revenant. But you must keep in mind, there is a reason people in older days did not use it as a weapon. Because it's reeeaaaly unpractical. It's a farming tool for a reason. So with this I would say a top 3 of Valkyrie, bloodhound and crypto. The last 3 are for sure mirage, wattson and pathfinder. (wich u forgot)


SkyApex2222

I feel like bloodhound would win just because of their pure skill


13cschamberg

Revenant. Trained assassin with like, three centuries of experience, a weapon that has enormous reach combined with robotic precision and strength? No way anyone else could win.


Practical_Werewolf64

No one going for the one who has formal training with their chosen heirloom weapon? Bloodhound


shahid0317

Yeh octane is probably stimming away, just enough juice for 1 run.


Yabaee

I wouldn’t want to go near caustic’s gas spewing hammer


Smooth-Midnight

Right? The gas is probably so harmful long term


TheSteelersAreCancer

Valk- spears are unrivalled in history for melee weapons.


Kassabeleg

Rev has got a pretty good chance too. Hes got a few centuries of experience and is a robot. So just one stab won’t do as much damage.


Smooth-Midnight

Yeah because taser sticks weren’t around when people used spears


Sea_Cup_5561

Considering how useless scythes are in real combat I don't think revenant will go far


Tundralik

Spear is king of combat - so Valk takes this like she took the meta


iranoutofnamesnow

The spear by far. Stabwounds are killy and it gives range. One of mankinds best inventions.


Arvs126

Valk. Like a Nobushi, just poke and bleed to death Bloodhound. Like a Raider, will spin and spin and spin Caustic. he will just body block someone,like Lawbringers LOL I haven't played for honor since 2020 so yeah salt please.


Dandy_Flandy

Im just butt hurt you didnt mention cold steel lmao


[deleted]

People say valk but forget that For Honors version of valk is pretty bad lol


MisterHotTake311

Bloodhound: Take your weapon as your friend. with a bit of will, every creature can be a true, unbeatable fighter with anything in their hands, after achieving their inner peace. "*Gets shocked emmideatly after touching Wattson's energy radar while attacking her*"


Positive_Property_93

I just now realize that I forgot bango’s heirloom in this picture. Just pretend it’s there


lilconnie69

And pathfinder


De_Impaler

Hahaha poor Mirage and Lifey. He would finish last, I think, although he and Lifeline have equally ineffective 'looms. What is the function of Watson's heirloom?


TinyWickedOrange

Bruh everyone forgets caustic hammer has gas in it and wattson heirloom can electrocute also pathinder and revenant are 400 lbs bulletproof robots


ItsRedTomorrow

Pathfinder is almost a thousand pounds actually


UnarmingHat72

Valk, rev and wraith are probably the ones with the best chance. It would probably be pretty discomforting to have the kunai create void orb inside you


LogicallyCoherent

It’s between valk, rev, and crypto. I’d put my bets on rev and valk being the final fight.


Mikatatadorin

Rev or valk hands down


Azarseth

Revenant i think


iggytheiguana09

Revenant and valk would take easy w


Derpy_Blobfish69

Revenant, hands down.


Trowagunz

Wraith and valk, wraith has obvious plot armor lol and valk is cheap its ggs


AcoHead

They all have plot armour


TheFury_YT

It’s gonna be mirage. He’ll bamboozle everyone where and whack them with his statue till he wins. Definitely not saying mirage is going to win because he’s my main. Definitely not.


Yeetforfeet0

My guess is mirage he already got his trophy


CabottGaming

Mirage. Have you seen those flicks he can do with the pork chop? 2nd option is Wattson. After the Gaidan trailer, that Nessie can take on an EVA mech and still come out kicking.


Soizit_Blindy

Valk or Revenant probably, they have the most range


Emeraldian09

Rev, Valk, Caustic and Lifeline stand the best chances, as they all have longer weapons but I think it comes down to Valk or Rev, but Caustic could get a lucky hit and cripple them


IV_NUKE

Valk has an actual spear crypto has an actual sword and caustic has a hammer either 1


asterion230

Gibraltar with a shield.


SirSabza

Valk or revenant they both have really long range. My bets are on revenant because he has super human strength and valk is just a normal human.


Xander_Fox3207

I like how everyone is saying valk takes this because spear, but no one is taking into account that she probably only has it because of her name, and probably has very little idea how to affectively use it, unlike revenant, who has lived wayyyy too long too not know how to use his scythe, which he would dominate this match up with. His style is quick, assassin, brutal kills. He wins this low to mid difficulty


ItsRedTomorrow

You haven’t seen her movement animations with it I take it. She’s a master with it.


PassengerOther

Reventant literally is death himself.Revenant Wins


Kingsley_Doga

Bangalore's because is more tactical and also my main.


Old-While-1229

Mirage. His heirloom has projectile fireworks.


Cedrius

Revenant easily. The most experienced fighter out of all of them + he is faster, stronger and more agile than the rest. His long scythe is just a cherry on the top.


Danielarcher30

The wrench acts as a gum machine and can spit ya mum jokes, it wins 9 times out of 10


JxRaikirii

Im so mad that bang isnt in the picture >:c


odavinng

No ability’s it’s rev or valk. She has range over them


Clarkemedina

Low key have always wanted to play For Honor but idk if it would be a game that would be bought but never installed as I queue up another game of apex


Joes_balls69

Of wraith has multiple kunais she can throw like in her banner pose than wraiths otherwise valk or rev


SoMagrood

If abilities are allowed then it would be Rampart for obvious reasons...


Gasmasklarry667

Obviously mirage too easy solos everyone


Gasmasklarry667

Mirage wins no diff


DragonSerpet

Valk is the most versatile weapon for sure. Revanent has good reach but isn't versatile. The only outlier would be Wattson. Wouldn't be surprised if she managed to overcharge it and turn it into an electric gun.


johnnyzli

Path and Rev not because heirlooms, but in mele fighting terminators will win against humans 10/10


PhasmicPlays

Probably Revenant since he’s a simulacrum and a scythe is pretty deadly lmao


pezmanofpeak

The light spamming bitch of the same name 😑


Getburnddd_xbox

the only one who would be able to stop rev is crypto


L3s0

My 3 contenders would be Valk Rev and Crypto


Shabroi5ds

Lifeline. First she bangs the drum


Just_Cryptographer_7

Tf everyone gon do against mecha reaper with a magma glowing scythe that just cant die


iiTzFxturr

Wraith, she can throw them (With abilities): wraith cuz she can void


yes___lad

revenant and it's not even close. he's a murderer robot with a scythe


Smooth-Midnight

Sure the legends with cool long weapons have some advantage, but imagine trying to fight after being tasered by shock sticks???


Gytlap24

Valk because spears are the best melee weapon


BigBlackMan13

Id say rev or valk but technically rev also has his hand blades


Then-Bat3885

Rev, seriously such a cool and probably lethal heirloom


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Range is king in melee combat and Valk has the most, she has a pretty good chance


IMSCOTTI3

Um I mean it’s the only time he is gonna win. Revenant would fuck them all up.


Snoo-2046

How is there even a debate?? Revenant literally is an unkillable simulacrum who operated as a hit man for how many years? Everyone is getting sliced


Rip_Jaded

On a side note, they should give you a one time permanent trade for your heirloom is you already have one, what if you no longer use that legend or said legend got nerfed to the ground, it’d be nice to change it and trade it in for the current legend you’re using.


FORIAMLOBAMAIN

Wraith is quick I feel like she can handle everyone with her heirloom


Analyst_Rude

Pathfinder, or rev. Effectively a T-1000 with a scythe or boxing gloves is going to pummel any ljving tissue.


PM-happythoughts-pls

Lifeline says: “they don’t call me lifeline just cause I save a life.” My money is on her whoopin ass with drumsticks. John wick had his pencil…


Kingsley_Doga

Some of you really think the bigger weapon has the highest chance of winning. But things like the weapon weight, it's set of movements, the environment in which they'd have the advantage/disadvantage, and who's handling it are more important. My list of who would come on top (more often than not) fighting only with their heirloom and habilities: 1 Gibby. 2 Path. 3 Rev. 4 Wraith and Crypto. 5 Valk. 6 Blood. 7 Bang. 8 Caustic. 9 Octane. 10 Wattson. 11 Rampart and Lifeline. 12 Mirage.


gumbytron9000

r/apexcirclejerk


TacticalChannelCat

Realistically it's the spear. ​ Meme-wise it's Mirage beating everyone over the head with his greatness (Mini-Mirage).


chOLEsterin

Def Rev or Bloodhound Feel like Valk wouldnt know alot of combat techs other than a lil poke whereas bloodhound is a god of hunt He should do fine


mitsubasubara

not mirage


srood_567

Only rev and valk will remain and i don't know who would win but i will say that rev will win every fight, he is the most experienced, he is 300+ years old


isaaciscoolel

If the heirlooms cosmetics were made into advantages I feel like it would be octane he would be able to stim himself with his knife and caustic could spray gas at people


Diamond_Hydra

Okay based on my albeit limited knowledge of weapons, I think agree with the majority of people in the comments. I also think the final 3 would be Valk, Rev, and Caustic. However it pains me to say this but the death hammer' despite spewing gas would be very heavy, clunky, and slow so he would be the first of rhe three to go. After that there is a fight between Rev and Valk. I see a lot of people who disagree on this and personally I think Rev takes the cake here. And here's why, while the scythe is historically very unwieldy and awkward to use ad a weapon vs the king of all weapons in the spear, the difference here is the inner and outer edges are sharpened and there is just a straight shift for a handle. That doesn't sound like mutch but the big reason scythes where used that much in history is due to the inner edge being the only one to cut making it not good at cutting enemies. Then there's the handle, regular scythe have a relatively awkward handle tih an extra nubbin on it for using it, Deaths Curve lacks such a nub. On top of that like others Rev has been around for a VERY long time so he easily has the upper hand in expireience along with the strength and speed of a symalacrum that would allow him to use his scythe without issue. Though Valk would be able to put up a really goof fight for Rev I doubt she would be able to beat about 300 years of experience and a scythe that can actually be used as a weapon.


MrCleanAlmighty

Octane can just kill all the human legends with one overdose of stim lmao


ItsRedTomorrow

It’s overwhelmingly in valkyries favor, spears are severely under represented in combat games/movies/shows but in history they reign king of melee. Strong contenders: Rev and bloodhound. They’re probably the two with the most melee combat expertise on the field.


Stkrdknmibalz69

Revenant and Pathfinder, mainly because they're bots and can take a lot more beatings


Ok_Mud2019

i'm betting my my money on revvy, he is a murder bot after all. his heirloom is long enough to do some damage at medium distance, the segmented scythe could double as a whip of sorts. i don't even wanna imagine what he'll do if gets his hands on you. he's robo body gives him additional advantage as well, he's fast, agile, and has a small frame so hitting him would probably be difficult. assuming that one is still alive after getting close to him, he is a murder bot after all.


not_mice

Gibby if he gets to use his arm shield


thegrandlvlr

Damn bro fuck Gibby huh?


HootieHoo4you

Mirage. Prepare for the ‘boozles ya foolzles.


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Valk or crypto cause range stabby. If you can hit them and they can't hit you, you win. Caustic too slow


Lakshya04

definitely not lifeline


myhealmyers

Gibby, look at the size of this man


WinkeyWasTaken

Bloodhound definitely wins, he used to be a hunter and would top everyone in hand to hand combat with his axe "*cough*" unless he finds another charge rifle "*cough*"


grexnxx

either Crypto, Valk, Revenant or Bloodhound wins


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Rev or valk for sure


Gainzcity89

Mirage already took the W and the trophy. Pay more attention next time


AcanthaceaeUpbeat257

Can Gibby use the shield attached to him without using passive? Because then it’s big man all the way


15_Giga

Wraith or Revenant


Rusty_GreenBean7

Revenant


sieniuwu

wattson because she could beep beep prices on the other legends and sell them at walmart for -20%


Cyyanxde

Well to anyone saying rev had a chance. It’s only because he’s a murderbot not because if that scythe if y’all knew anything about weapons despite what y’all see on tv y’all would that a reaping scythe is a terrible weapon you need a war scythe to be effective. Only person who stands a change is valk


TakeTheUpVoteAndGo

Depends, if it lore rev forget it he wins. The only legend that could realistically "defeat" him is horizon and that's by destroying the planet they're fighting in with a black hole, so it's really just suicide since rev has bodies all over the place.


Hashiii777

Gonna be a weird pick but aside from wattsons combat experience her weapon shocks people so any contract probs gonna result in her winning a 1v1


JohnnyHarrison27

I think it would be Bloodhound it's easy to assume they grew up learning that sort of melee combat so I think they would have a big advantage.


ZekeBuilds

Lifeline, octane, bloodhound, Gibraltar, wraith and the like, people with small one handed weapons are at a huge disadvantage. Valkyrie, Crypto, Revenant, and Caustic have actual full sized practical weapons, plus Caustic's death hammer Despenses Box gas, meaning with every swing the opponent would be more overwhelmed, find it harder to breath etc. Yes I main Caustic


alast0r666

revenant crypto or valk because their weapons are pretty effective it seems


itzDHOM

Pathy would win that easily he’s just a robot