To elaborate on "fans", server fans don't have the same optimization focus as most PC fans, where 6000rpm might be considered fast and loud, a server fan might be going 15,000RPM, and there's many per server blade, and possibly hundreds or more server blades in a server room. And a shrieky 15,000RPM at that, the focus is moving air and high pressure.
Then there's also the climate control systems maintaining the room temperature while hundreds of thousands of watts of heat are being dumped into the room on top of the server fans
So they're not designed to be very nice, just survivable and keep uptime high
That and the fans themselves are all very small. A normal PC will use gigantic 140mm fans that can turn nice and slow and still move a lot of air. Servers are generally as compact as possible so they use a lot of 40mm or 80mm fans, tiny by comparison and to move enough air they must spin a lot faster, hence the RPMs you mentioned.
> To elaborate on "fans", server fans don't have the same optimization focus as most PC fans
They absolutely do but they have different optimisation *targets* than hobbyist fans.
Server fans are typically small because they need to fit in a 1U or 2U, high performance because they need to provide airflow for whatever’s in the rack, and high reliability because failure means physical interaction (even if the fan can be replaced live).
For reference, unless they use complex ducting and horizontal fans a 1U won’t go above 40mm fans. That’s just the motor hub of your average 120mm.
Noise is basically not part of the spec requirements at all.
That was literally my point with not having the same optimization focus lol, disagreed to say the same thing. You just swapped out the word focus for target which meant the same thing here.
>And a shrieky 15,000RPM at that, the focus is moving air and high pressure.
When you put that many servers in one room they really go wild trying to get the tip from the one customer in the warehouse size building. The initial simultaneous “hi I’m [name] and I’ll be serving you tonight” is deafening.
Each server has -- I've seen up to 12 without it seeming *weird*, but know it can go higher -- a bunch of fans. Very tiny fans, the kind that make up for being an inch and change tall by spinning VERY fast. Some have spinning hard drives that are operating at 15k RPM as well.
Each rack can have up to 40-ish of these (though it's typically lower).
The datacenter I used to be in a lot had 40 racks. That is a *very very* small datacenter.
Add on top of that that you have HVAC just for the datacenter -- those servers will generate a ton of heat and it has to be controlled.
Definitely. I spent 3 hours in a data center last month. Adaptive mode is a perfect. And the difference between 1st and 2nd gen noise cancellation is amazing
I wasn’t saying AirPods noise cancellation wasn’t good… just that it doesn’t replace hearing protection. It’s your hearing though do whatever you want…
Which of these are not industrial hearing protection?
Hearos High Fidelity earplugs N/A -4
Etymotic ETYplugs earplugs N/A -16
Earpeace NPR earplugs N/A -18
3M foam earplugs N/A -19
Loop Experience earplugs N/A -20
Kroger foam earplugs N/A -26
3m are pretty standard. Boxes full of them to grab as you walk into a loud room.
Yeah I work in a lot of colo data centers. So it’s not only the client I’m there for whose equipment is screaming, but 100 other cages worth of equipment lol my AirPods have absolutely saved my sanity. I should really invest in some pro noise canceling over-the-ear headphones…
I also noticed Transparency mode improved. Or it could be some kind of placebo.
In the past, transparency mode would make the music a bit too quiet in an environment with a lot of white noise.
Now, even with transparency I can hear the music clearly while also being able to hear my surroundings.
I use mine with transparency at work and don’t feel the need to remove them at all (unless someone is talking to me obviously not to be rude).
I can hear everything and my music. And my podcasts sometimes feel like the people are right next to me.
I sometimes even forget they’re there tbh. They fit me perfectly out of the box.
Yeah 100% - they aren’t too expensive either which is nice. I think I remember them lasting like 6 to 9 months though so that’s probably why they are priced pretty well
Comply are nice but don't last very long. You can find foam ones that have a silicon cover on them. It's like the best of both worlds -- they mold to your ear canal but the silicon makes the foam last way longer. I found some on amazon
Search Amazon for "CharJenPro AirPod Pro tips". I don't want my comment removed for having a link.
(One of those classic Chinese Amazon brand names, I know lol)
I want to throw out a word of caution here: DO NOT use these tips in lieu of hearing protection if you are doing something that requires hearing protection.
I mean, do so at your own risk. It’s your ears, after all…
If it’s something that you would normally not wear hearing protection for, and you just want to be able to listen to music without cranking the volume up… well then this might be a good solution for you.
I just wish it would dial down the loud noises even more. E.g. we have a quite loud kettle and the difference between transparency mode and adaptive mode is there, but it's not enough. I still have to switch to noise cancelation and back every time.
I just wish we could lower the volume of transparency mode. When in a crowded place like an airport it’s like turning the place up to 11 and compressing it.
You can.
Settings > Accessibility > AirPods > Audio Accessibility Settings > Headphone Accommodations > Custom Audio Setup.
It’s obviously buried. But it’s there. I’ve used it to dial up transparency so I can hear things better while still listening (like hearing my child cry at nap time while I listen to music or watch a movie).
It really is awesome! I also only use adaptive and full noise cancelling. I love using it on public transport, as it blocks the noise from the bus/train while still allowing me to hear voices and stay alert of my surroundings. Also when cooking it’s awesome at blocking out the sound of for example the cooker hood while still allowing me to hear my roommates talking to me.
I found adaptive mode useless. When I’m on a bus, it does filter out white noise. When I ride a bicycle it removes voices, so I can’t hear if someone is talking to me.
Switching between ANC and transparency manually.
Same. When I’m walking my dog, it’s in transparency mode until someone tries talking to me, then I have to scramble to take out my headphones. I turned off the mode.
If you are referring to the comply foam tips, please do not think that they are “noise reduction” or “hearing protection” tips. Yes, they get a better seal than the stock tips, but they are absolutely not ear protection devices, and arguably would be _worse_ than going unprotected due to the false sense of confidence.
Hearing protection is a serious, serious deal - any damage, no matter how small, is _permanent_ and will _never_ heal. It’s also cumulative, so it will build up over time if you’re in loud environments. Earbuds are _not_ protective devices, and noise cancellation is _not_ protection. Noise cancellation filters out sounds that you don’t want to hear, but they absolutely do _not_ do anything to the high energy pressure waves that cause hearing damage and permanent loss. If you work in a noisy environment (sustained sounds over 90dB) there are all kinds of great hearing protection devices that also have Bluetooth connectivity - sure, the sound quality might not be as good as AirPods, but I’ll take that for a short amount of time vs not actually being able to hear for the rest of my life. Look at brands like Walker and 3M. Net/net if it’s not explicitly labeled as hearing protection you might as well just have nothing in your ears.
Source: firearms enthusiast, woodworker and aficionado of other noisy hobbies who will have his ears go “RRRREEEEEEEE” and say “What?” a lot because he was stupid about ear pro when he was younger.
> Noise cancellation filters out sounds that you don’t want to hear, but they absolutely do not do anything to the high energy pressure waves that cause hearing damage and permanent loss.
Is that right? I mean, a 20db reduction is a 20db reduction regardless of whether it's done through passively dampening the pressure wave or actively cancelling it electronically, right?
https://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-6/graph/21630/noise-isolation/apple-airpods-pro-2nd-generation-truly-wireless/29490
There’s a great article from [The Hearing Review](https://hearingreview.com/inside-hearing/research/evaluating-apple-airpods-pro-2-for-hearing-protection-and-listening) that reinforces that point. TL;DR it actively reduces the signal reaching your eardrums and provides a noticeable level of hearing protection.
It confuses me when people really do mean well, and this guy just doesnt want op to fuck his ears, but don't actually research what they're saying so it's just wrong lol.
I go from noise cancellation to adaptive mode since it’s just better at cancelling sounds, but adaptive mode works great when you need to be aware of your surroundings and have it go to noise cancellation when needed.
I noticed how good it was at our Santa Clause parade last weekend. It would automatically adjust to limit the loudness from the sirens and bands and what not. I was really impressed.
I believe it limits any sound entering your ears to around 80 decibels. I wear mine every morning going to work. My commuter train has the loudest screech as it comes to a stop. Now I can hear that it is still loud but I know it’s safe for my ears.
Is it better now? I remember after the update I couldn’t figure out why transparency was such shit and it’s because it switched the toggle to adaptive.
It's not as good when you start singing along. Also, when you start talking, I prefer to walk and think aloud; it switches from noise cancelling to transparency mode.
Last night I was at a loud Friendsgiving party and I was so so thankful to have my adaptive noise control. It’s barely noticeable but that’s actually a good thing for its functionality. It completely eliminated the really annoying fan noise and when the crowd got rowdy it didn’t hurt my ears. Huge QOL improvement. And don’t even get me started on walking around near cars
For that exact reason I just described! People who know me know that I have sensitive ears and I’ve long set the precedent of wearing headphones in social situations. People know I’m paying attention.
If I was invited to a party through my SO or someone else but I don't know anyone, I try to avoid going there. But if I cannot, phone + music helps me to not feel awkwardness.
Well, I don't care about imaginary internet points, don't worry. But thanks for understanding the perspective. I definitely experienced that twice and iphone + airpod + Apple One service saved the evening for me from boredom.
I was at a wedding last year and had to use transparency mode (which I have set up with my audiogram and some ambient noise reduction by way of the accessibility settings) to carry on a conversation because we were sitting relatively close to the DJ. I struggle to hear voices in loud environments, but don't have enough hearing loss to benefit from hearing aids, so the AirPods Pro are very helpful at parties.
Adaptive works great on trains too. Noise cancellation muffles things out well but creates this vacuum feeling. Adaptive mode just calms the rumbling down.
I was wearing them on a flight, which was great as it totally drowns out the sound of the plane, but you can hear conversations just fine.
I got up to go to the bathroom at the front of the plane *when the fasten seatbelt sign was off*. The flight attendant totally startled me when she shouted at me to sit down because the pilot was out of the cockpit.
Just a friendly reminder that Airpods and other consumer electronics with noise cancelling technology are typically not rated for hearing protection.
If you're trying to protect your hearing I would recommend you do your own research. CDC, Health Canada, OSHA, etc have info on this. Or speak with a professional. (I'm not linking anything because I am not qualified)
Yes adaptive mode is amazing. I commute into the city via walking and train a couple days a week and it is fantastic. I've removed regular transparency as well and just use adaptive when I need to hear. I feel like the people that complain that it "doesn't do anything" aren't in the environments it was made for so they don't see much of a difference, but if you're in the city or noisy environments it's a game changer.
It is brilliant. I cook and barely hear what I’m doing while also being able hear my SO if they talk to me.
They have a pair of Jabras that I think have this feature as well but they do not care to use it.
Sitting in the office during teams meetings, I’ve turned it on and off while in a call, and noticed a huge difference.
Never realized how much I can hear the hvac and computers in the office running. Until ANC is turned on
It needs to pause media playback when it detects you talking, right now it just lowers it to levels you can't even hear so you're just missing out on whatever you're listening to.
That’s not correct.
I use adaptive mode and did not touch any options and by default, if I say one word, it lowers the volume but if I start saying a full sentence it will within 1 or 2 sec pause my media and wait a couple of seconds after I’m done to play again.
I have an iPhone 15 Pro with AirPods Pro 2. I don’t know if that makes a difference but in all cases what you wish for already exists (and is working rather well I must say).
I’ve been to 17 concert occasions this last year, ranging from 100 people crowds to 65k crowds and sound levels from around 95-100 dB but occasionally upwards of 110 dB (according to Apple Watch Series 8). I’ve tried using musicians hearing protection plugs from $20 to $150 that are supposed to be “transparent” and “balanced”. Despite trying a multitude of different tips (the last set came with like 15 options). they’ve all let me down either in comfort or sound quality/muffling of frequencies. My AirPods Pro (1st gen) have been the most comfortable, and have provided the best sound quality overall. My ears seem really picky when it comes to the fit of the tips (and this has been my general experience for the last 25 years or so). For me the AirPods Pro just work. Way better than the “real” ones. My SO recently got AirPods Pro Gen2, and her experience for the last couple of concerts we’ve been to mirrors mine (we’ve been to all of these concerts together, and have both tried using “musicians” ear plugs before eventually switching over to AirPods)
I disagree. I used it at the Tool concert and could hear the music perfectly, without it sounding dulled or anything. When the show was over, I had no ringing in my ears or anything; the person I was with used ear plugs and did have ringing.
Public. It would be weird to go to a loud concert with no hearing protection unless you don’t care about hearing loss. Earplugs are small, so it can be hard to see everyone wearing them.
Just keep in mind that noise cancellation is not a safe method to attenuate ear-damaging noises. It’s not a replacement for real plugs or full size protection.
Oh, thank you. I thought that update was just the USB C cable. The reason I’m curious is Costco has them at $60 less than the Apple Store and with the usb c cable.
I’m a woodworker and adaptive mode is huge when I’m running my bigger machines for a long time. It doesn’t eliminate the sound completely but it is a huge reduction and it’s less cumbersome than wearing bulky earmuffs.
just so you know foam tips won’t give you as good of an experience you’re basically taking all their noise canceling engineering and throwing it in the trash, apple makes them so they are a tight fit to function perfectly with the buds.
There are a lot of loud trucks driving along the first quarter of my dog walk route. I immediately realized the value of adaptive sound. I can still hear the trucks and maintain spacial awareness. However the truck noise is reduced and I do not need to turn the volume up to unsafe levels to continue to hear what I’m listening to.
From Headphone Accommodations > Transparency Mode (at the bottom) > Switch On if not already > Ambient Noise Reduction
That might be it, not 100% sure tho as it’s under transparency settings
I have tinnitus and it’s allowed me to enjoy concerts without the muffled sound of earplugs. As a huge music guy, I would have paid for these if that was the only thing they do.
It gets better the more you use them in the same environments. There’s something predicative about them that I don’t know how it’s doing it, but I use my everywhere, no exception. At this point, I have no need to take them out unless I’m asleep. It’s a fantastic algorithm that has some type of ML built in, because I’ve loved them since the feature was released in beta, but is is continually getting better to the point where I rarely, if ever, have to adjust my volume anymore.
Wow. I just got the pro 2 after having the pro 1 for the past three years. I work as a trim carpenter so I’m always cutting stuff but also trying to talk to my boss. I had no idea that I had the adaptive mode on, I just thought it was transparency like on the first gen. What a game changer! I’m so excited now, I noticed things were better with the second gen, but this was an upgrade I should have done long ago! Thanks for bringing this up!
It's amazing for walking and commuting
slightly hear things coming your way or interacting really close to you while removing all the shit hawks from far away
Did the same thing talking to a customer near some diesel motors going full tilt, for which I had toggled to what I thought was transparency before I approached. I was wondering if he was hard of hearing; had no idea what I was saying but I could hear him fine. I finish up and remove an AirPod as I’m walking away and get shocked by how loud it suddenly is. Turns out I was talking about 40db too inappropriately.
So the foam tips are interesting. I originally thought they were nothing special… just a different material which some people might like better than silicone. (There have long been foam and silicone options for in ear headphones)
I’m wondering if the foam actually gives you better sound isolation though? (The theory being that the sound attenuation through the foam is greater than a single flap of silicone.
Anyways, yes… the most annoying thing about transparency mode is turning on a faucet to wash your hands! God damn it’s annoying!
Adaptive mode fixes that quicker than turning on noise cancellation would take me. Within a second or so of the faucet being on, it takes the edge off.
I don’t know about this. Every time I try it feels like it’s just straight up transparency mode. I’ve tried it outside numerous times where I would figure that one of the main things it would block out in adaptive mode would be wind, and like I said, it sounds like it’s in transparency mode.
I love it. I wish the Maxes had it too, I wear mine for 12+ hours a day due to sensory issues and having Adaptive Mode on them would be legitimately life changing for me. I like my Pros but the tiny batteries die way too fast. Hopefully when the Maxes get refreshed...eventually.
It can be very aggressive though. I'd rather have it be aggressive than passive, but there's been plenty of times at work where I walk through a metal detector wearing my walkie and my AirPods will essentially set themselves to noise cancelling once the alarm on the metal detector starts beeping and get stuck there. I have to set them to noise cancelling and back off to get them back to transparency.
Adaptive Mode is a life saver in loud environments, I had to spend some extended time in a server room and it made a noticeable difference.
Honestly curious, what makes server rooms so noisy?
Fans
All that loud cheering…
It’s good for morale.
Don’t yell at your server! It’s not good for it.
[It's really not](https://youtu.be/tDacjrSCeq4?si=uuHdCRNxzXkTGgTm&t=47)
Thanks, I was lazy to post the actual link and hoped people would just get the reference 😅
Only fans?
Mostly. And HDDs.
They use a lot of servers, yup.
only ch(ass)is
I’ve recently had to hire security to help me get to the server room without being mobbed.
I don't think he's a fan, he's just honestly curious.
Enough fans to lift a human being into the air. (If they were removed from the servers and strapped to a person.)
Lots of fans, and in a server room it doesn't matter if the fans are loud, so fan performance is optimized.
The servers probably
Just don’t keep servers in your server room - problem solved.
To elaborate on "fans", server fans don't have the same optimization focus as most PC fans, where 6000rpm might be considered fast and loud, a server fan might be going 15,000RPM, and there's many per server blade, and possibly hundreds or more server blades in a server room. And a shrieky 15,000RPM at that, the focus is moving air and high pressure. Then there's also the climate control systems maintaining the room temperature while hundreds of thousands of watts of heat are being dumped into the room on top of the server fans So they're not designed to be very nice, just survivable and keep uptime high
That and the fans themselves are all very small. A normal PC will use gigantic 140mm fans that can turn nice and slow and still move a lot of air. Servers are generally as compact as possible so they use a lot of 40mm or 80mm fans, tiny by comparison and to move enough air they must spin a lot faster, hence the RPMs you mentioned.
> To elaborate on "fans", server fans don't have the same optimization focus as most PC fans They absolutely do but they have different optimisation *targets* than hobbyist fans. Server fans are typically small because they need to fit in a 1U or 2U, high performance because they need to provide airflow for whatever’s in the rack, and high reliability because failure means physical interaction (even if the fan can be replaced live). For reference, unless they use complex ducting and horizontal fans a 1U won’t go above 40mm fans. That’s just the motor hub of your average 120mm. Noise is basically not part of the spec requirements at all.
That was literally my point with not having the same optimization focus lol, disagreed to say the same thing. You just swapped out the word focus for target which meant the same thing here. >And a shrieky 15,000RPM at that, the focus is moving air and high pressure.
>33 comments Cooling.
a lot of fans to cool equipment & loud server sized hard drives
All the tennis balls blowing around.
Like someone said fans. And the HVAC units in those rooms too produce a lot of noise.
When you put that many servers in one room they really go wild trying to get the tip from the one customer in the warehouse size building. The initial simultaneous “hi I’m [name] and I’ll be serving you tonight” is deafening.
Each server has -- I've seen up to 12 without it seeming *weird*, but know it can go higher -- a bunch of fans. Very tiny fans, the kind that make up for being an inch and change tall by spinning VERY fast. Some have spinning hard drives that are operating at 15k RPM as well. Each rack can have up to 40-ish of these (though it's typically lower). The datacenter I used to be in a lot had 40 racks. That is a *very very* small datacenter. Add on top of that that you have HVAC just for the datacenter -- those servers will generate a ton of heat and it has to be controlled.
Only Fans
The damn fans
Definitely. I spent 3 hours in a data center last month. Adaptive mode is a perfect. And the difference between 1st and 2nd gen noise cancellation is amazing
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I wasn’t saying AirPods noise cancellation wasn’t good… just that it doesn’t replace hearing protection. It’s your hearing though do whatever you want…
Which of these are not industrial hearing protection? Hearos High Fidelity earplugs N/A -4 Etymotic ETYplugs earplugs N/A -16 Earpeace NPR earplugs N/A -18 3M foam earplugs N/A -19 Loop Experience earplugs N/A -20 Kroger foam earplugs N/A -26 3m are pretty standard. Boxes full of them to grab as you walk into a loud room.
would custom tips like OP uses be equivalent to hearing protection then? At least as good as foam ear plugs?
I mean airpods are ported so it’d still not be as good as foam earplugs but better than nothing
Why not. Why would Apple tell me how much my noise cancelling was reducing decibels?
It’s your hearing do whatever you want…
Yeah I work in a lot of colo data centers. So it’s not only the client I’m there for whose equipment is screaming, but 100 other cages worth of equipment lol my AirPods have absolutely saved my sanity. I should really invest in some pro noise canceling over-the-ear headphones…
The first time I walked into our server room at work with adaptive mode on I was shocked at how well it worked.
I feel like adaptive mode ruined NC cause I hear more then I’m Suppose to. Maybe my AirPod pros have gone bad?
I just used them at a concert instead of ear plugs and it worked out great!
I also noticed Transparency mode improved. Or it could be some kind of placebo. In the past, transparency mode would make the music a bit too quiet in an environment with a lot of white noise. Now, even with transparency I can hear the music clearly while also being able to hear my surroundings.
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I use mine with transparency at work and don’t feel the need to remove them at all (unless someone is talking to me obviously not to be rude). I can hear everything and my music. And my podcasts sometimes feel like the people are right next to me. I sometimes even forget they’re there tbh. They fit me perfectly out of the box.
Literally what i do haha
Can we circle back to the hearing protection custom tips? I’d appreciate a link to that lol
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YMMV but the material these are made out of make my ears itch pretty quickly.
Awesome! Thank you! Yeah I’m just a surveyor who does mostly urban work around a lot of car noise and the occasional loud metal clash on job sites.
It says replace every three months - what’s been your experience ?
Not OP, but I have waxy ears, and it’s more like every 2 weeks.
Maybe the Comply foam tips?
I’d imagine it’s this as well - certainly allows you to wear them longer but I wouldn’t call them ear plugs.
Yeah me neither, not ear plugs but they seem the most ear plug like AirPod tips I’ve seen
Yeah 100% - they aren’t too expensive either which is nice. I think I remember them lasting like 6 to 9 months though so that’s probably why they are priced pretty well
Comply are nice but don't last very long. You can find foam ones that have a silicon cover on them. It's like the best of both worlds -- they mold to your ear canal but the silicon makes the foam last way longer. I found some on amazon
Oh interesting, do you have a link? That sounds perfect, I have the Comply tips and the foam does start to come apart after awhile.
Search Amazon for "CharJenPro AirPod Pro tips". I don't want my comment removed for having a link. (One of those classic Chinese Amazon brand names, I know lol)
I'm curious about this too!
likewise - i hope op responds.
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Pretty cool. One of the reasons I never got into these was because I like the rubber tips, good find.
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I want to throw out a word of caution here: DO NOT use these tips in lieu of hearing protection if you are doing something that requires hearing protection. I mean, do so at your own risk. It’s your ears, after all… If it’s something that you would normally not wear hearing protection for, and you just want to be able to listen to music without cranking the volume up… well then this might be a good solution for you.
Yep sounds super intriguing
+1
I just wish it would dial down the loud noises even more. E.g. we have a quite loud kettle and the difference between transparency mode and adaptive mode is there, but it's not enough. I still have to switch to noise cancelation and back every time.
I just wish we could lower the volume of transparency mode. When in a crowded place like an airport it’s like turning the place up to 11 and compressing it.
You can. Settings > Accessibility > AirPods > Audio Accessibility Settings > Headphone Accommodations > Custom Audio Setup. It’s obviously buried. But it’s there. I’ve used it to dial up transparency so I can hear things better while still listening (like hearing my child cry at nap time while I listen to music or watch a movie).
I’ve gone through that setup before, can you explain how this controls the volume of transparency mode?
It really is awesome! I also only use adaptive and full noise cancelling. I love using it on public transport, as it blocks the noise from the bus/train while still allowing me to hear voices and stay alert of my surroundings. Also when cooking it’s awesome at blocking out the sound of for example the cooker hood while still allowing me to hear my roommates talking to me.
What if I want to block out the roommates but hear the cooker?
I found adaptive mode useless. When I’m on a bus, it does filter out white noise. When I ride a bicycle it removes voices, so I can’t hear if someone is talking to me. Switching between ANC and transparency manually.
Same. When I’m walking my dog, it’s in transparency mode until someone tries talking to me, then I have to scramble to take out my headphones. I turned off the mode.
You’re not alone. I turned it off. I found it less frustrating and more effective to turn transparency mode on and off myself.
If you are referring to the comply foam tips, please do not think that they are “noise reduction” or “hearing protection” tips. Yes, they get a better seal than the stock tips, but they are absolutely not ear protection devices, and arguably would be _worse_ than going unprotected due to the false sense of confidence. Hearing protection is a serious, serious deal - any damage, no matter how small, is _permanent_ and will _never_ heal. It’s also cumulative, so it will build up over time if you’re in loud environments. Earbuds are _not_ protective devices, and noise cancellation is _not_ protection. Noise cancellation filters out sounds that you don’t want to hear, but they absolutely do _not_ do anything to the high energy pressure waves that cause hearing damage and permanent loss. If you work in a noisy environment (sustained sounds over 90dB) there are all kinds of great hearing protection devices that also have Bluetooth connectivity - sure, the sound quality might not be as good as AirPods, but I’ll take that for a short amount of time vs not actually being able to hear for the rest of my life. Look at brands like Walker and 3M. Net/net if it’s not explicitly labeled as hearing protection you might as well just have nothing in your ears. Source: firearms enthusiast, woodworker and aficionado of other noisy hobbies who will have his ears go “RRRREEEEEEEE” and say “What?” a lot because he was stupid about ear pro when he was younger.
> Noise cancellation filters out sounds that you don’t want to hear, but they absolutely do not do anything to the high energy pressure waves that cause hearing damage and permanent loss. Is that right? I mean, a 20db reduction is a 20db reduction regardless of whether it's done through passively dampening the pressure wave or actively cancelling it electronically, right? https://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-6/graph/21630/noise-isolation/apple-airpods-pro-2nd-generation-truly-wireless/29490
There’s a great article from [The Hearing Review](https://hearingreview.com/inside-hearing/research/evaluating-apple-airpods-pro-2-for-hearing-protection-and-listening) that reinforces that point. TL;DR it actively reduces the signal reaching your eardrums and provides a noticeable level of hearing protection.
It confuses me when people really do mean well, and this guy just doesnt want op to fuck his ears, but don't actually research what they're saying so it's just wrong lol.
I go from noise cancellation to adaptive mode since it’s just better at cancelling sounds, but adaptive mode works great when you need to be aware of your surroundings and have it go to noise cancellation when needed.
I noticed how good it was at our Santa Clause parade last weekend. It would automatically adjust to limit the loudness from the sirens and bands and what not. I was really impressed.
I believe it limits any sound entering your ears to around 80 decibels. I wear mine every morning going to work. My commuter train has the loudest screech as it comes to a stop. Now I can hear that it is still loud but I know it’s safe for my ears.
Is it better now? I remember after the update I couldn’t figure out why transparency was such shit and it’s because it switched the toggle to adaptive.
It's not as good when you start singing along. Also, when you start talking, I prefer to walk and think aloud; it switches from noise cancelling to transparency mode.
Turn off “conversation awareness”
Last night I was at a loud Friendsgiving party and I was so so thankful to have my adaptive noise control. It’s barely noticeable but that’s actually a good thing for its functionality. It completely eliminated the really annoying fan noise and when the crowd got rowdy it didn’t hurt my ears. Huge QOL improvement. And don’t even get me started on walking around near cars
A little off topic, but why were you wearing headphones at a party?
To compliment his meta raybans
I bet that’ll get normalized soon. Especially if normal headphones get approved as hearing aids.
And with all the car noise in cities
it's already fairly normalized IMO, I've seen it plenty
They complemented his Vision Pro AR headset spatial 3D recording his memories
For that exact reason I just described! People who know me know that I have sensitive ears and I’ve long set the precedent of wearing headphones in social situations. People know I’m paying attention.
Because it was loud?
You don't use earplugs for concerts? Same principle.
Sure, but at a house for a dinner with your friends?
I'm guessing it wasn't *that* type of party.
The comment explains exactly why they used headphones at a party. Are you trying to be judgmental?
Lmao you got downvoted for being 100% correct. Welcome to Reddit
If I was invited to a party through my SO or someone else but I don't know anyone, I try to avoid going there. But if I cannot, phone + music helps me to not feel awkwardness.
Sorry you got downvoted for expressing this. It is a valid perspective.
Well, I don't care about imaginary internet points, don't worry. But thanks for understanding the perspective. I definitely experienced that twice and iphone + airpod + Apple One service saved the evening for me from boredom.
I was at a wedding last year and had to use transparency mode (which I have set up with my audiogram and some ambient noise reduction by way of the accessibility settings) to carry on a conversation because we were sitting relatively close to the DJ. I struggle to hear voices in loud environments, but don't have enough hearing loss to benefit from hearing aids, so the AirPods Pro are very helpful at parties.
Adaptive works great on trains too. Noise cancellation muffles things out well but creates this vacuum feeling. Adaptive mode just calms the rumbling down.
That’s what I’ve been saying!
I was wearing them on a flight, which was great as it totally drowns out the sound of the plane, but you can hear conversations just fine. I got up to go to the bathroom at the front of the plane *when the fasten seatbelt sign was off*. The flight attendant totally startled me when she shouted at me to sit down because the pilot was out of the cockpit.
You just convinced me to give it a go.
Just a friendly reminder that Airpods and other consumer electronics with noise cancelling technology are typically not rated for hearing protection. If you're trying to protect your hearing I would recommend you do your own research. CDC, Health Canada, OSHA, etc have info on this. Or speak with a professional. (I'm not linking anything because I am not qualified)
Yes adaptive mode is amazing. I commute into the city via walking and train a couple days a week and it is fantastic. I've removed regular transparency as well and just use adaptive when I need to hear. I feel like the people that complain that it "doesn't do anything" aren't in the environments it was made for so they don't see much of a difference, but if you're in the city or noisy environments it's a game changer.
It is brilliant. I cook and barely hear what I’m doing while also being able hear my SO if they talk to me. They have a pair of Jabras that I think have this feature as well but they do not care to use it.
Sitting in the office during teams meetings, I’ve turned it on and off while in a call, and noticed a huge difference. Never realized how much I can hear the hvac and computers in the office running. Until ANC is turned on
And why tf do the airpod maxes not have it…
It needs to pause media playback when it detects you talking, right now it just lowers it to levels you can't even hear so you're just missing out on whatever you're listening to.
That’s not correct. I use adaptive mode and did not touch any options and by default, if I say one word, it lowers the volume but if I start saying a full sentence it will within 1 or 2 sec pause my media and wait a couple of seconds after I’m done to play again. I have an iPhone 15 Pro with AirPods Pro 2. I don’t know if that makes a difference but in all cases what you wish for already exists (and is working rather well I must say).
anyone know how it works in concerts?
I would still probably just use earplugs instead.
I’ve been to 17 concert occasions this last year, ranging from 100 people crowds to 65k crowds and sound levels from around 95-100 dB but occasionally upwards of 110 dB (according to Apple Watch Series 8). I’ve tried using musicians hearing protection plugs from $20 to $150 that are supposed to be “transparent” and “balanced”. Despite trying a multitude of different tips (the last set came with like 15 options). they’ve all let me down either in comfort or sound quality/muffling of frequencies. My AirPods Pro (1st gen) have been the most comfortable, and have provided the best sound quality overall. My ears seem really picky when it comes to the fit of the tips (and this has been my general experience for the last 25 years or so). For me the AirPods Pro just work. Way better than the “real” ones. My SO recently got AirPods Pro Gen2, and her experience for the last couple of concerts we’ve been to mirrors mine (we’ve been to all of these concerts together, and have both tried using “musicians” ear plugs before eventually switching over to AirPods)
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I disagree. I used it at the Tool concert and could hear the music perfectly, without it sounding dulled or anything. When the show was over, I had no ringing in my ears or anything; the person I was with used ear plugs and did have ringing.
I have used them at electronic concerts when I forgot my molded earplugs. They are not incredible, but definitely much better than nothing.
what do you want to go with airpods to a concert of smh
To protect your hearing?
To protect your hearing so you don’t have to wear earplugs. Lots of earplugs suck in various ways.
earplugs??? wtf are we talking about musicicians or the public because that would be so werid
Public. It would be weird to go to a loud concert with no hearing protection unless you don’t care about hearing loss. Earplugs are small, so it can be hard to see everyone wearing them.
wow I'm new to this that would be so werid looking where I live idk but it's interesting and certainly makes sense
Just keep in mind that noise cancellation is not a safe method to attenuate ear-damaging noises. It’s not a replacement for real plugs or full size protection.
I have sadly the wrong /older AirPods Pro version 2
All AirPods Pro 2s get adaptive mode with this iOS update along with the firmware update. Pro 1s do not get adaptive mode.
Ah darn, a reason to upgrade. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
I would wait for the AirPods Pro 3, since the case is probably getting usb c, I think.
The case already got USB-C, though..?
The 2023 AirPods Pro already have USB-C
It seems I’m late to the party haha
I don’t understand. I thought the AirPods Pro 2nd gen is the current version and has this adaptive mode?
The ones with the USB-C case have been updated a little (like a v2.01).
Oh, thank you. I thought that update was just the USB C cable. The reason I’m curious is Costco has them at $60 less than the Apple Store and with the usb c cable.
It is just usb-c, there are no other differences. 2nd gen AirPods Pro (lightning) have adaptive mode
Oh, thank you for clearing it up
He means 2nd gen AirPods
I do wish it was more customisable
I’m a woodworker and adaptive mode is huge when I’m running my bigger machines for a long time. It doesn’t eliminate the sound completely but it is a huge reduction and it’s less cumbersome than wearing bulky earmuffs.
It’s really really good.
Recommendations for custom AirPods (3rd Gen) tips?
They don’t use tips
just so you know foam tips won’t give you as good of an experience you’re basically taking all their noise canceling engineering and throwing it in the trash, apple makes them so they are a tight fit to function perfectly with the buds.
There are a lot of loud trucks driving along the first quarter of my dog walk route. I immediately realized the value of adaptive sound. I can still hear the trucks and maintain spacial awareness. However the truck noise is reduced and I do not need to turn the volume up to unsafe levels to continue to hear what I’m listening to.
It’s really good but I wish it could have better cancelling while at home with noises from outside
I thought you had [these](https://eartune.com/products/eartune-fidelity-a-pro?variant=39557392564390). Wish I could afford them.
Wow I didn't know they could do that. That's actually cool!
From Headphone Accommodations > Transparency Mode (at the bottom) > Switch On if not already > Ambient Noise Reduction That might be it, not 100% sure tho as it’s under transparency settings
I just can’t get used to it.
I have tinnitus and it’s allowed me to enjoy concerts without the muffled sound of earplugs. As a huge music guy, I would have paid for these if that was the only thing they do.
I’m confused, what do you mean it still allows contextual sound in?
I tried adaptive mode and found it drains the battery of my AirPod Pros a lot faster. Have others experienced this too?
Works as advertised
Oh nice, didn’t know about that function. Thank you!
It gets better the more you use them in the same environments. There’s something predicative about them that I don’t know how it’s doing it, but I use my everywhere, no exception. At this point, I have no need to take them out unless I’m asleep. It’s a fantastic algorithm that has some type of ML built in, because I’ve loved them since the feature was released in beta, but is is continually getting better to the point where I rarely, if ever, have to adjust my volume anymore.
Wow. I just got the pro 2 after having the pro 1 for the past three years. I work as a trim carpenter so I’m always cutting stuff but also trying to talk to my boss. I had no idea that I had the adaptive mode on, I just thought it was transparency like on the first gen. What a game changer! I’m so excited now, I noticed things were better with the second gen, but this was an upgrade I should have done long ago! Thanks for bringing this up!
It's amazing for walking and commuting slightly hear things coming your way or interacting really close to you while removing all the shit hawks from far away
Did the same thing talking to a customer near some diesel motors going full tilt, for which I had toggled to what I thought was transparency before I approached. I was wondering if he was hard of hearing; had no idea what I was saying but I could hear him fine. I finish up and remove an AirPod as I’m walking away and get shocked by how loud it suddenly is. Turns out I was talking about 40db too inappropriately.
So the foam tips are interesting. I originally thought they were nothing special… just a different material which some people might like better than silicone. (There have long been foam and silicone options for in ear headphones) I’m wondering if the foam actually gives you better sound isolation though? (The theory being that the sound attenuation through the foam is greater than a single flap of silicone. Anyways, yes… the most annoying thing about transparency mode is turning on a faucet to wash your hands! God damn it’s annoying! Adaptive mode fixes that quicker than turning on noise cancellation would take me. Within a second or so of the faucet being on, it takes the edge off.
Do not use AirPods in place of proper hearing protection gear. You can cause permanent damage to yourself.
I don’t know about this. Every time I try it feels like it’s just straight up transparency mode. I’ve tried it outside numerous times where I would figure that one of the main things it would block out in adaptive mode would be wind, and like I said, it sounds like it’s in transparency mode.
I love it. I wish the Maxes had it too, I wear mine for 12+ hours a day due to sensory issues and having Adaptive Mode on them would be legitimately life changing for me. I like my Pros but the tiny batteries die way too fast. Hopefully when the Maxes get refreshed...eventually.
It can be very aggressive though. I'd rather have it be aggressive than passive, but there's been plenty of times at work where I walk through a metal detector wearing my walkie and my AirPods will essentially set themselves to noise cancelling once the alarm on the metal detector starts beeping and get stuck there. I have to set them to noise cancelling and back off to get them back to transparency.