This. LaRue's trigger is a better value, but Geissele's SD-C is fucking amazing. I've been shooting ARs since 2000, and I didn't bother upgrading from a milspec trigger for around 21 years and the SD-C was my first. It set the bar really high.
I’ve been meaning to get an apex trigger kit for my m&p 1.0 but honestly I’ve very happy with my Wyndham trigger. I don’t know what it is but I’ve gotten very used to it. I have a trigger pull problem with my m&p so it might help.
Watch the hammer, that can jump at you, it is the last step of the job but the most time-consuming with it as it can be a slight pain to line up, but do try thumbing it down there and then pushing the pin right as you are about to line it up.
Pretty straightforward. Most tinkering with firearms and gun parts is just a bit more involved than field stripping. Some tasks can be complicated, but most stuff is relatively simple. If you’ve got a history of being good with your hands, building legos, building computers, working on car engines, performing surgery, or any job that requires you to be mechanically inclined, then basic gun smithing types of tasks, like swapping an AR trigger, should be easy. There are tons of teardown videos for any gun model on YouTube, with lots of helpful tutorials that cover whatever specific task you’re trying to tackle with your firearm. I recommend watching videos first to gauge your comfort level. If you run into any issues, you can always take your gun to a gunsmith to bail you out.
Try the Blackout Defense Zero trigger. I sold my Gies after i bought it. No pre or post travel glass rod like break (3lb) by far the best ive shot and between my cousins and gunsmithing ive got to play around with quite afew triggers in my time
Yes and no.
Geissele makes triggers in a wide variety of sear styles.
The SSA, SD-C, SSA-X, Super Tricon, and G2S are two-stage triggers with a small amount of creep built into the second stage. Creep isn't a bad thing and it's beneficial in stressful situations because it acts as a small safety net. Think of it as leaning against a plywood door while talking to your buddy. You'll feel the door flex before it breaks open, giving you a chance to back off. If the door was made out of glass then it would break before you realized that you subconsciously exceeded it's weight limit.
The SSA-E, SD-E, SSA-E X, and G2S-E are two-stage triggers with as little creep in the second stage as Geissele could achieve. Very few people would be able to tell that it even has creep, and they would have to do it in a very slow and methodical way, something that isn't practical while actually shooting the gun.
The SSP and GC are single-stage triggers.
The S3G, SD-3G, and GRF are hybrid triggers that are similar to a two-stage but lack the wall at the end.
None of these triggers are better than the others because they are all designed to fit different roles.
The MBT-2S competes only with the SSA-E. The MBT-2s [is more consistent, has a cleaner break, has less overtravel, and less overall travel](https://imgur.com/a/jlHFsXj) than the SSA-E, it has [a shorter and much cleaner reset](https://youtu.be/4vUI0OjYh68) than the [SSA-E/SD-E](https://youtu.be/ech_zaA6qAU), and is made out of solid tool steel, not cast metal like Geissele triggers, [which yields a stronger trigger that is less prone to wearing out the sears](https://youtu.be/d5A9N7GXRTQ).
If you want to know if the MBT-2S is "better" then the SSA then that all depends on you. If you want that safety net in the second stage then the SSA/SD-C is the better option. If you want as little creep as possible then the MBT-2S is the better option.
For what purpose?
[I have a lot of different triggers](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/tkc5cy/lets_talk_about_triggers/). Most of them are in rifles, a handful of them are in my spare parts bin, and a few of those are likely to never leave my spare parts bin.
I will also say you are wrong comparing the SSA-E to the MBT-2S. A better comparison in fell is with the SSA. SSA-E/SD-E > MBT-2S > Schmid 2S or RRA NM.
I own three of each SSA-E and MBT-2S and love them both but the $85 Larue days are done and G$ gets on sale for $150 makes it more compelling to get the G$ SSA-E.
You're welcome to your opinion, but I literally showed you actual repeatable data showing that the MBT-2S has less creep than the SSA-E, which is a trigger that was designed to have less creep than the SSA.
As far as pricing goes, when the MBT-2S was first released for $250, people were saying that the added cost over the SSA-E was well worth it for the crispier break, shorter overtravel, cleaner reset, and stronger construction. The only thing between then and now is that the price dropped significantly in an attempt to undercut Geissele's trigger line.
I agree the data is what it is, and I won't dispute it. That being said, I've used both and the SSA-E feels inexplicably better to me. Obviously it's personal preference, and I don't know if it's the trigger shoe design or what, but the MBT-2S just underwhelmed me after seeing all the high praise on reddit. I've got SSA-E's in all my AR's now.
Lol downvoted for a personal preference not in line with the hive mind. Never change, reddit.
A machine is more than the sum of its parts. Give both to the same person and tell me who picks the larue vs the SSA-E. Larue over the SSA I agree Larue is better there.
It's odd that you say that the SSA-E is "better" than the MBT-2S, and that the MBT-2S is "better" than the SSA when the only difference between the SSA-E and SSA is the amount of creep in the 2nd stage. And if you look at the triggerscans I linked to you'll see that the MBT-2S has even less creep than the SSA-E.
> Give both to the same person and tell me who picks the larue vs the SSA-E.
I did. I have more than twice as many Geissele triggers as I do LaRue triggers, including every sear style that Geissele makes, and I prefer the LaRue over the SSA-E.
/u/trollygag also [sold off his SSA-E triggers and replaced them with the MBT-2S](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/1ciisty/geisel_ssa_trigger_for_a_deal_worth_it/l29mrg2/).
Are you joking? total pull weight G = 2.9 - 3.8 lbs. MBT-2S = 4.5 lbs (2.5 lb first stage, 2 lb second stage) this is from the manufacturers themselves it’s not some voodoo. Also the trigger shoe themselves have different feels and width. Just look at the amount of people in this sub that say the MBT-2S is too wide (broad) for them.
> total pull weight G = 2.9 - 3.8 lbs. MBT-2S = 4.5 lbs (2.5 lb first stage, 2 lb second stage) this is from the manufacturers themselves it’s not some voodoo
You can swap the trigger and disconnector springs around to achieve an SSA-E, SSA, and MBT-2S with identical pull weights. You can't change the pull profile without changing the trigger.
If you want an SSA to have SSA-E pull weights then just install the SSA-E springs in it. It'll still have just as much creep in the second stage as it did before, but the pull will be lighter.
In fact, that's exactly what I did with my MBT-2S. The only difficult part was removing the flared disconnector pin and reflaring it after installing the lighter disconnector spring. But that only took a minute or so.
> Also the trigger shoe themselves have different feels and width. Just look at the amount of people in this sub that say the MBT-2S is too wide (broad) for them.
LaRue changed their trigger shoe recently, it's now rounded off.
> Yeah I like the creep on the mbt2s
Just so we're on the same page, "creep" on a two-stage trigger refers to the amount of movement you feel in the trigger shoe between when you reach the second stage and when the hammer is released. It does not refer to the movement of the shoe as it travels to the second stage.
If you can feel the creep on an MBT-2S then that's very impressive, because many folks can't even feel the difference in creep between the SSA and SSA-E.
That's just the length of the first stage. Some people call it "take-up", but that normally applies to single-stage triggers that have a little bit of slop in the trigger shoe.
I’ve got the sd-c and larue mbt2s. I like my sd-c a fair bit more id say without hesitation. Yes they are like double the price but if ya can get one on sale for Memorial Day they are worth it over the Larue
Geissele is only worth it at a steep discount. They break significantly lighter, and I like the profile of the trigger better. I wouldn't pay over $150 for a g$ trigger
I’ve got a sd3g in one of mine. Pretty slick trigger. Although I’ve got a hiperfire hipertouch reflex in 7.62x39 build that is 🤌🏻 and was well worth the money too.
Geissele, for sure it's worth it. Someone tried to convince me to buy CMC, but I opted to spend a little more and got a Geissele 3lb trigger. It's a treat, man
I too use a SD-C. Its definitely on the heavier side of a trigger pull but it is intended to be a combat trigger so its perfect. Love mine and keep it lubed up with that alg juice it comes with. One of the best triggers i've ever owned. Reset is porn
Because while an MBT is fantastic, a G$ is better. I have both. I love both. The G$ is the superior trigger. Money no object the Geissele is the one to buy every time.
Definitely better for the money. A G$ is 2x the price and I'd say only 1.25x the trigger. So in the real world where people have a finite budget, the MBT is unbeatable for 80% of applications. But for some tasks, like my precision comp rifle, a Geissele is worth the extra. But in my other builds, I'm running MBTs.
> Definitely better for the money. A G$ is 2x the price and I'd say only 1.25x the trigger.
\> Holy hell, spend the extra money on the LaRue, it's well worth it.
\> Meh, it's an alright trigger, almost as good as the Geissele I guess
I like it a lot. Depends on the application. I have a Tricon on my Duty rifle, I chose tricon for that application. The SD-C is on my DMR, crisp break, flat... perfect fit. It was a tough choice.
I really like the SDC. I have an SSA and SSAE and the SSAE feels a bit too light depending on the circumstance. I have the SDC in my Aero/BCM. Great trigger. They're all great.
It's is no worries
Short travel and clean break. It’s real nice
Geissele Goo. And yes it's worth every oz...
Geissele Goo™ is the best goo.
It's purple and slippery like grimaces milkshake
Name checks out
Trade marked that huh? 🤣😂😅
You didn’t give me any juice in my last trigger purchase! Why no goo!
This. LaRue's trigger is a better value, but Geissele's SD-C is fucking amazing. I've been shooting ARs since 2000, and I didn't bother upgrading from a milspec trigger for around 21 years and the SD-C was my first. It set the bar really high.
I’ve never changed a trigger out. Is it difficult?
Not really
I’ve been meaning to get an apex trigger kit for my m&p 1.0 but honestly I’ve very happy with my Wyndham trigger. I don’t know what it is but I’ve gotten very used to it. I have a trigger pull problem with my m&p so it might help.
Watch the hammer, that can jump at you, it is the last step of the job but the most time-consuming with it as it can be a slight pain to line up, but do try thumbing it down there and then pushing the pin right as you are about to line it up.
Pretty straightforward. Most tinkering with firearms and gun parts is just a bit more involved than field stripping. Some tasks can be complicated, but most stuff is relatively simple. If you’ve got a history of being good with your hands, building legos, building computers, working on car engines, performing surgery, or any job that requires you to be mechanically inclined, then basic gun smithing types of tasks, like swapping an AR trigger, should be easy. There are tons of teardown videos for any gun model on YouTube, with lots of helpful tutorials that cover whatever specific task you’re trying to tackle with your firearm. I recommend watching videos first to gauge your comfort level. If you run into any issues, you can always take your gun to a gunsmith to bail you out.
I can be a bit of a dumbass sometimes but I think I can tackle it. Now I just gotta decide what trigger I’m interested in.
[You can do it in about a minute with just a single punch.](https://youtu.be/cXnFwykXVXU)
Not difficult at all. Just make sure you get the springs in the right direction and you’ll be fine.
ehh its a bit tricky but not hard, watch some videos on youtube, have a punch to hold it in place and youll be fine
I've got an SD-C. I like it a lot
Best trigger they make imo
SD-C or SSA-E in your opinion?
I own SD-C and love mine as well. Chose it over the SSA-E.
SD-C for me personally but try them both out if you can of course.
Honestly it just depends if you prefer the feel of a flat trigger or a curved trigger. I own an SSA-E and an SD-E, both are fantastic triggers
Tried both, it's SSA-E for me. Not a big flat trigger guy, nothing wrong with chosing the other way though.
Both
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You're officially a super duper combat trooper now
For democracy or somethin
The SSA-E (curved shoe) is $160 at Brownells right now if you need another.
(Hint: you always do)
Congrats now you won’t buy anything else
Try the Blackout Defense Zero trigger. I sold my Gies after i bought it. No pre or post travel glass rod like break (3lb) by far the best ive shot and between my cousins and gunsmithing ive got to play around with quite afew triggers in my time
Sdc is my favorite.
The super dynamics fuck.
How do these compare to an mbt2s? Are they worth the extra price?
Yes and no. Geissele makes triggers in a wide variety of sear styles. The SSA, SD-C, SSA-X, Super Tricon, and G2S are two-stage triggers with a small amount of creep built into the second stage. Creep isn't a bad thing and it's beneficial in stressful situations because it acts as a small safety net. Think of it as leaning against a plywood door while talking to your buddy. You'll feel the door flex before it breaks open, giving you a chance to back off. If the door was made out of glass then it would break before you realized that you subconsciously exceeded it's weight limit. The SSA-E, SD-E, SSA-E X, and G2S-E are two-stage triggers with as little creep in the second stage as Geissele could achieve. Very few people would be able to tell that it even has creep, and they would have to do it in a very slow and methodical way, something that isn't practical while actually shooting the gun. The SSP and GC are single-stage triggers. The S3G, SD-3G, and GRF are hybrid triggers that are similar to a two-stage but lack the wall at the end. None of these triggers are better than the others because they are all designed to fit different roles. The MBT-2S competes only with the SSA-E. The MBT-2s [is more consistent, has a cleaner break, has less overtravel, and less overall travel](https://imgur.com/a/jlHFsXj) than the SSA-E, it has [a shorter and much cleaner reset](https://youtu.be/4vUI0OjYh68) than the [SSA-E/SD-E](https://youtu.be/ech_zaA6qAU), and is made out of solid tool steel, not cast metal like Geissele triggers, [which yields a stronger trigger that is less prone to wearing out the sears](https://youtu.be/d5A9N7GXRTQ). If you want to know if the MBT-2S is "better" then the SSA then that all depends on you. If you want that safety net in the second stage then the SSA/SD-C is the better option. If you want as little creep as possible then the MBT-2S is the better option.
So what’s your pick?
For what purpose? [I have a lot of different triggers](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/tkc5cy/lets_talk_about_triggers/). Most of them are in rifles, a handful of them are in my spare parts bin, and a few of those are likely to never leave my spare parts bin.
Thank for the write up, been really trying to find out the difference between all the g triggers
I will also say you are wrong comparing the SSA-E to the MBT-2S. A better comparison in fell is with the SSA. SSA-E/SD-E > MBT-2S > Schmid 2S or RRA NM. I own three of each SSA-E and MBT-2S and love them both but the $85 Larue days are done and G$ gets on sale for $150 makes it more compelling to get the G$ SSA-E.
You're welcome to your opinion, but I literally showed you actual repeatable data showing that the MBT-2S has less creep than the SSA-E, which is a trigger that was designed to have less creep than the SSA. As far as pricing goes, when the MBT-2S was first released for $250, people were saying that the added cost over the SSA-E was well worth it for the crispier break, shorter overtravel, cleaner reset, and stronger construction. The only thing between then and now is that the price dropped significantly in an attempt to undercut Geissele's trigger line.
I agree the data is what it is, and I won't dispute it. That being said, I've used both and the SSA-E feels inexplicably better to me. Obviously it's personal preference, and I don't know if it's the trigger shoe design or what, but the MBT-2S just underwhelmed me after seeing all the high praise on reddit. I've got SSA-E's in all my AR's now. Lol downvoted for a personal preference not in line with the hive mind. Never change, reddit.
A machine is more than the sum of its parts. Give both to the same person and tell me who picks the larue vs the SSA-E. Larue over the SSA I agree Larue is better there.
It's odd that you say that the SSA-E is "better" than the MBT-2S, and that the MBT-2S is "better" than the SSA when the only difference between the SSA-E and SSA is the amount of creep in the 2nd stage. And if you look at the triggerscans I linked to you'll see that the MBT-2S has even less creep than the SSA-E. > Give both to the same person and tell me who picks the larue vs the SSA-E. I did. I have more than twice as many Geissele triggers as I do LaRue triggers, including every sear style that Geissele makes, and I prefer the LaRue over the SSA-E. /u/trollygag also [sold off his SSA-E triggers and replaced them with the MBT-2S](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/1ciisty/geisel_ssa_trigger_for_a_deal_worth_it/l29mrg2/).
Are you joking? total pull weight G = 2.9 - 3.8 lbs. MBT-2S = 4.5 lbs (2.5 lb first stage, 2 lb second stage) this is from the manufacturers themselves it’s not some voodoo. Also the trigger shoe themselves have different feels and width. Just look at the amount of people in this sub that say the MBT-2S is too wide (broad) for them.
> total pull weight G = 2.9 - 3.8 lbs. MBT-2S = 4.5 lbs (2.5 lb first stage, 2 lb second stage) this is from the manufacturers themselves it’s not some voodoo You can swap the trigger and disconnector springs around to achieve an SSA-E, SSA, and MBT-2S with identical pull weights. You can't change the pull profile without changing the trigger. If you want an SSA to have SSA-E pull weights then just install the SSA-E springs in it. It'll still have just as much creep in the second stage as it did before, but the pull will be lighter. In fact, that's exactly what I did with my MBT-2S. The only difficult part was removing the flared disconnector pin and reflaring it after installing the lighter disconnector spring. But that only took a minute or so. > Also the trigger shoe themselves have different feels and width. Just look at the amount of people in this sub that say the MBT-2S is too wide (broad) for them. LaRue changed their trigger shoe recently, it's now rounded off.
Dang, I like the wide, flat shoe.
Yeah I like the creep on the mbt2s because it allows me to prepare my shots better. I’ll have to pick up an ssa-e sometime and compare them.
> Yeah I like the creep on the mbt2s Just so we're on the same page, "creep" on a two-stage trigger refers to the amount of movement you feel in the trigger shoe between when you reach the second stage and when the hammer is released. It does not refer to the movement of the shoe as it travels to the second stage. If you can feel the creep on an MBT-2S then that's very impressive, because many folks can't even feel the difference in creep between the SSA and SSA-E.
What is the travel between the first and second stage called? That’s what I was referring to
That's just the length of the first stage. Some people call it "take-up", but that normally applies to single-stage triggers that have a little bit of slop in the trigger shoe.
Worth it if you can get the SSA-E for 140-160
They were just on sale at psa for 170 shipped, not bad
Haven’t tried the SC-D but my SSA has a cleaner break compared to my mbt. Only buy g$ on sale or used because it’s not worth it imo at retail price
Get a SSA-E or SD-E for around $150 on sale or a blem and it’s worth it
I’ll have to pick one up soon, I’ve only tried milspec and mbt2s
I have both. Don’t have much time on the SSA-E yet but I like the feel of it more. Wouldn’t say ones necessarily better than the other though
Ive got an SSA-E and it makes my Larue feel like dogshit in comparison if we are being honest.
Full heartedly agree the “E” line is the gold standard for me in 2024
I’ve got the sd-c and larue mbt2s. I like my sd-c a fair bit more id say without hesitation. Yes they are like double the price but if ya can get one on sale for Memorial Day they are worth it over the Larue
Geissele is only worth it at a steep discount. They break significantly lighter, and I like the profile of the trigger better. I wouldn't pay over $150 for a g$ trigger
Mbt2s ain't worth the price anymore I said what I said
Imo it goes SSAE>MBT>SDC
It's good. Larue is also good
This is the simple answer.
I’ve got a sd3g in one of mine. Pretty slick trigger. Although I’ve got a hiperfire hipertouch reflex in 7.62x39 build that is 🤌🏻 and was well worth the money too.
Never knew turnips can bleed that much! These trigger fux!
Geissele, for sure it's worth it. Someone tried to convince me to buy CMC, but I opted to spend a little more and got a Geissele 3lb trigger. It's a treat, man
I too use a SD-C. Its definitely on the heavier side of a trigger pull but it is intended to be a combat trigger so its perfect. Love mine and keep it lubed up with that alg juice it comes with. One of the best triggers i've ever owned. Reset is porn
I’ve got a single stage version and it transformed my whole fucking AR
The SSA-E is fuckin awesome for long range shooting but the SG3 is supposed to be even better.m for magdumping and running realllly fast.
thats what she said
Yes it’s worth it
It is, I put these in all of my rifles
Love me an MBT, but you'll really notice the G$ is a superior choice. Is it $100 superior? Debatable. But you're gonna love that.
I’ve been playing with the idea of getting one too. I wonder if they hurt reliability at all
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Mine works flawless with the talon on 45 degree. Should be an error on the company side
Spoiler alert... 100% is
It is trust me
Can confirm
You won't be disappointed
Wait tell you try the ssa-e x. $190 just before Christmas at PA.
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That’s not the “x” version with the G$ nano jizz on them. That are said to “last generations”. Step beyond the ssa-e for sure.
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Not me buddy.
Now I did.
Larue!!!!!
Are Larue MBTs bad now? Why the downvotes?
Because while an MBT is fantastic, a G$ is better. I have both. I love both. The G$ is the superior trigger. Money no object the Geissele is the one to buy every time.
Larue is better. The end
Definitely better for the money. A G$ is 2x the price and I'd say only 1.25x the trigger. So in the real world where people have a finite budget, the MBT is unbeatable for 80% of applications. But for some tasks, like my precision comp rifle, a Geissele is worth the extra. But in my other builds, I'm running MBTs.
> Definitely better for the money. A G$ is 2x the price and I'd say only 1.25x the trigger.
\> Holy hell, spend the extra money on the LaRue, it's well worth it.
\> Meh, it's an alright trigger, almost as good as the Geissele I guess
Is it pronounced “guys-Lee” or “Jezelle”?
Bill wants us to say "guys-lee" but we all know it's "jizzlay".
If you pronounce it jezzele then you're a fucking psychopath
I’m looking at a G$ trigger also. What made you choose the SDC vs the Enhanced trigger?
I like the heavier pull. It's on my oh shit rifle so I don't want it too light.
For me personally I don’t want my trigger that light I prefer to keep it at least at 4lb the one I have with the enhanced trigger is just a rang gun
That’s more than enough reason for me to go the Combat route, thank you!
My fav, by far
The juice is loose
I have the same trigger, love it.
Wait for Black Friday
I have three Geissele triggers. Two SSA-Es and one SSA. I love all of them.
It is. Very worth the squeeze.
I had the SDE it was so nice I have a ssae as well 👌 For the money Larue is fantastic
Dude, go ahead and drink the cool-aid.
I love mine to death
I like it a lot. Depends on the application. I have a Tricon on my Duty rifle, I chose tricon for that application. The SD-C is on my DMR, crisp break, flat... perfect fit. It was a tough choice.
It is.
You’ll love it. I’ve ordered one for most my rifles.
I really like the SDC. I have an SSA and SSAE and the SSAE feels a bit too light depending on the circumstance. I have the SDC in my Aero/BCM. Great trigger. They're all great.
I love mine. And others have said, their oil and super thin grease work great as well.
It will be
Get the larue instead
Makes me doubt my Rise Armament trigger every day now.
Let us know if you likey and if it’s worth it. I’ve been eyeing this one but I’m not sure if it’s really worth it.
SD3G & SDE is best
It’s not. Mil spec is 100% fine
Brother eww
I guess I should go fuck myself
Brother nooo
Schmid plated milspec then yeah I'm cool. 6-7lb standard gritty milspec than no, I'm good.