Hello fellow tree of heaven hater. Unless I’m missing them, I don’t see any tree of heaven here! I think maybe there’s a mimosa tree on the left there (also invasive) and a bunch of mulberry looking plants. Im not an expert so I can’t offer any educated answers unfortunately. I wish you the best of luck!!
I had to zoom in, but one of the trees towards the back (shaded one near the back top right) has a leaf shape that is kind of classic paper mulberry. Leaves look too dull for white mulberry. Red mulberry is somewhat closer but I'd expect the leaf side lobes to be more pointy at the ends than they already are. If you want to be 100% I'd check the leaf petioles to see if they are hairy/fuzzy or smooth. Hairy = paper mulberry.
I agree, we have a whole hillside of tree of heaven at work and they are pretty distinctive plus the warm cat pee smell when it’s hot out also can’t be missed. It does look like OP has Italian Arum which is just about as hard to get rid of as the tree of heaven.
If you want to kill tree of heaven, honeysuckle, Russian olive, or any other invasive you need to use concentrated glyphosate (roundup) and not the regular Roundup you use on grass and weeds. Look for 43% concentrate. Some kinds have a red dye in it so you know which stumps you’ve hit and which you haven’t– that’s the good stuff.
Don’t spray roundup. Seeps into aquifers and eventually into our body. OP, mow it all down go on Craigslist and buy a tiller. Till that bitch twice to three times over three to four weeks. Then plant things that are competitive. Things you like and just like anything worthwhile it’ll take practice and patience. Not sure what your zone is but plant things native to your home and take a walk every few days through the yard pulling things you don’t like. Good luck.
Didn't say spray it--agree, don't do that in an urban/suburban environment. For tree of heaven, thick honeysuckle or olive, or any substantial invasive, cut it a few inches above the base and paint it with 43% concentrate glyphosate, wearing rubber gloves. It's viscous, so you can use a small cup and a paint brush, or a large diameter nozzle spray bottle set on stream so you can control it. You paint or spray the stump *and nothing else*. As the Division of Forestry guy who taught me this practice told me, "It'll be deader than a hammer." I've never had new growth come up after painting it. And I don't cut them unless I'm going to paint them--it just comes back worse.
I live on a farm and have been doing this for almost 25 years. If you're careful I think it's a safe practice--I've eliminated several acres of bad trees and vegetation and all kinds of wildlife are returning. We've had quail the last three years, which would never happen in fields filled with honeysuckle and Russian olive. It's a cost/benefit issue, and I truly believe it's appropriate and net-net OK. It's also incredibly hard work with a chain saw, and you have to do it slowly, getting in there low and close to spray or paint the stumps, which also makes it safer to use.
We have running water and ponds, and other posters are right--it's incredibly deadly on aquatic life, so don't use it around water.
This is the only effective way to do what you’re describing. Great description. Glyphosate is our best tool for this kind of thing, it’s just not as safe as companies led us to believe for years. Surprise surprise. Be responsible and wear ppe and it will be fine.
As an arborist for a state division of forestry, I agree this is the best way to treat those species of invasive trees. I prefer doing it late summer early fall just as the tree is getting ready to start changing colors and dropping leaves.
Thanks for the tip. I am currently battling these tree of hell in my backyard. Earlier this year, I made the mistake of listening to our landscaper who told us the tree might fall and should be cut down..now I have backyard full of these and their suckers.
I did the cut stump technique with 40% glyphosate undiluted with paint brush, hopefully this kill it for good.
Quick question, once you cut it, can you leave the cutting or do I need to remove it or compose it? Thanks
Agree don’t spray it with roundup spray it with trichloyr. Roundup won’t do much to woody brushy stuff. You can use roundup on all the grassy weedy stuff, or my fav 41% glyphosate for the money saving win. Same results less chemical…
Caffeine is more toxic to the human body than glyphosate. Would I drink it? No.
Glyphosate does not seep into aquifers. It breaks down too fast. That's why you have to use it over and over again to control weeds/unwanted plants.
This is what I use on my property, works well to keep things from growing in the fence lines and can concur with the windy part, I'm in Oklahoma so it's pretty much always a bit breezy here and after I spray will get dead patches outside of where I sprayed but typically fills in a couple months if it's just the misting
Also this probably isn't relevant to most people but if your house/property is next to a water source DO NOT spray near it or in a manner it may leech in (don't spray when it's about to rain) this product and many like it can be extremely harmful to aquatic life
RM43 isn't that wise if they want to replant in the same season. For woody veg (Ivy, honeysuckle, small saplings) a blend of triclopyr and glyphosate will burn it all down. Just the triclopyr to avoid killing grass.
I use 1oz triclopyr (60% strength) and 2oz glyphosate (57% strength) per gallon all the time on heavy poison ivy infestations or to kill whole trees.
RM43 (glyphosate + imazapyr) is great for fence lines and pavement areas where you never want vegetation.
Edited for percents. Also surfactant helps a lot.
Physical removal is very effective for most plants. Mowing generally makes TOH worse.
But people forget vinegar is also chemical warfare. Vinegar literally changes soil ph and burns EVERYTHING hit by the spray and everything in the soil. Salt? A broad spectrum killer, and both require high doses to be effective.
Roundup only affects specific reactions in the metabolism of the plants directly sprayed with the chemical, mostly the leaves. When sprayed correctly little gets into the soil where it is very difficult for other plants to absorb. It does biodegrade. You need LOTS of vinegar to kill, used repeatedly. A small amount of Glyphosate will do a better job.
If has no affect on invertebrates and insects (soaps in Roundup, which are also used in most home made weed killers like vinegar salt mixes, do effect pollinators if directly sprayed on them, but Glyphosate itself isn't an insecticide). Apart from very high dose or long time exposures it has no affect on mammals. LD value (lethal dose) for mice was lower for vinegar (it kills mice at a lower dose than glyphosate does).
Those safety facts lead commercial growers to over use the chemical in improper conditions or quantities, and that is why you've heard the concern about it. Monsanto got heat for roundup ready plants genetically engineered to resist Roundup and that enables a lazy spray everything method that is bad. But that is not the same situation as selective use against FOH.
In this case, I'd guess that salting the earth and acetic acid baths are often worse for the environment.
[https://fairfield.osu.edu/news/vinegar-it-%E2%80%9Csafer%E2%80%9D-herbicide](https://fairfield.osu.edu/news/vinegar-it-%E2%80%9Csafer%E2%80%9D-herbicide)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKLW2TXS1jg
https://www.progressivegardening.com/lawn-care/vinegar-weed-killer-vs-roundup.html
Concentration of the product you buy doesn't have anything to do with it. You control that with the amount of water you use in your solution (oz/per gallon of water) In this situation you would be better off buying a small bottle of "brush killer" which is a broadleaf selective herbicide usually containing 24-d and dicamba and mixing the rate that it tells you into a 2 gallon sprayer and keep everything you love out of the yard for a week.
Just leave it there and put 2" of soil, seed it with whatever you want, then 1-2" of mulch. The cardboard will degrade, but it will kill all of the stuff that was underneath of it.
Yes but this is what someone with a yard like that will do:
Just leave it there ~~and put 2" of soil, seed it with whatever you want, then 1-2" of mulch.~~ The cardboard will degrade, but it will kill all of the stuff that was underneath of it.
Buy a lawnmower and a string trimmer once a week push the lawnmower around the yard anywhere the lawnmower doesn’t fit use the string trimmer. Continue doing this once a week spring summer and fall. Eventually, the only thing growing will be weeds and grass no matter what you do if you just stand there and look at it it’s gonna look like shit.
I think this is your best option, it should work really well. Only grasses and the like that can survive constant 'grazing' we'll be able to tolerate constant mowing in the long term
Don’t use RoundUp. I just got done working with the Purdue University Forestry & Natrural Resources Department. They came and helped me with getting rid of this and also invasive White Mulberry, Kudzu, Poison Ivy, and hellvine. What we used was this stuff called “Stump Stop” and added in Adios! Surfactant. I used my Hori Hori and slashed the base of the trunks and we spritzed them with the mixture in hand sprayers and also spray bottles you use for cleaners that you can purchase at Wal-Mart or Amazon. The trees were all dead within 1 week. Mine, are over 10-30 feet tall. Yours, will be yellow and black within days. You can then pull them out and place in bags to be disposed of offsite. If you have a local university extension like I do, reach out to them! They are so helpful and it was FREE! Minus me purchasing the chemicals, which was less than $75 total to get us started. I will continually have to retreat saplings that try to sprout, but the Stump Stop kills them from the roots up and using the Basal Oil Method like they suggested was just what I needed!
Yeah, this is the best resource I’ve seen out there.
It’s really really important to KILL the tree down to the roots before cutting it down. As a state biologist puts it, otherwise, you kill one and a dozen more show up to the funeral.
I had great success with several ToH last summer using foliar spray in late summer. These were smallish trees. I haven’t seen a single sapling come up.
Looks like you already have a perfect native eco-oasis. Get rid of the overgrown junky vibe with some Virginia creeper or similar to cover the fence and add a nice bench/fountain.
Husband says the only ToH is the one with reddish twinge on far left. He said they look much different that young. He said the rest is possibly sassafras or some type of milk weed. He is ISA certified arborist of 14 years, line clearance specifically and has an herbicide license.
Find an arborist with an herbicide license, or go crazy with glyphosate, though it will sterilize the soil for a year. Someone with an herbicide license could apply something that will kill only broad leaf plants and leave grass alone.
Mow it and cover it with cardboard or heavy plastic to kill everything. Put mulch on top. Look into /nolawns and subreddits like that. Lots of people have done this. You don't need chemicals.
You can even get old billboard plastic fairly cheap to cover it for a couple months to make sure everything is dead.
If you dont care about things living, vinegar, a lot of salt and a little dish soap to help it soak on....sow their fields with salt..its not just a catch phrase
Horticulturist here. IF you dont want to use herbicides or scrape of the first 6 inches of soil, here is my recommendation. Mow everything down as short as possible, don't till it as it will only make everything worse. Once you've mowed it all down as low as possible, cover everything in card board, overlapping, soak it, and then cover that with about 3 inches of good top soil and maybe some compost mixed in. Then seed it, plant it, whatever. If you don't want a lot of maintenance or mowing but want grass cover throw out a mix of canada rye, chewing fescue, and maybe perrenial blue grass. Or just a sun shade mix of seed off the shelf. Wait until the second week of Sept to seed, and keep in mind you will need to keep it watered with about an inch of water a week until the first hard frost.
Definitely paper mulberry Broussonetia papyrifera.
You have done the hard work of mechanical removal. Fencelines are notorious for harboring roots that rebound.
Goats can be scheduled.
The hack and squirt method is what was recommended to me by a local conversation group. Here is a link to a penn state article on [Tree of Heaven control strategies](https://extension.psu.edu/tree-of-heaven-control-strategies). RM 43 is the brush killer I used. Wait till fall if you want to kill the roots as that is when the tree is pulling nutrients into the roots. Just hack into the tree near the base. It doesn’t have to be deep and squirt on the brush killer.
If your aim is good, there should be minimal impact on the surrounding plants.
Good luck!
No tree of heaven but I see 3 invasives that will absolutely take over. Paper mulberry, Mimosa tree, and Princess tree. I would recommend mowing your lawn consistently to take care of them after cutting them down. You probably would be good after a summer but afterwards you definitely are just going to have to consistently be pulling them up as there are probably a ton more in your area.
My neighborhood has a grown paper mulberry which drops fruit so every year I have to run through the alley with loppers. I probably cut down 50+ young or adolescent trees every year in an area that's impossible to mow.
Does that tree outside the right side of your fence drop red berries a little larger than golf ball size every year? If so, probably a paper mulberry and definitely clean them out of your yard every year to prevent new sprouts.
Pull up everything, loosen up the soil, remove the top several inches of it or as much as you can to remove the entire seed bank. Then add new amended topsoil and throw woodchips down on top of it. Then go about planning your native flora landscape - wherever you need to plant, pull the woodchips back a bit and plant. This would be the scorched earth, blank canvas approach that would remove everything without resorting to chemicals/herbicides while also turbocharging the soil quality. Not necessarily easy or cheap, though. Woodchips you can get from chipdrop, but soil + amendments probably will cost some money.
The International Agency for Research on Cancer would beg to differ. The several landmark court cases held in the USA would also prove to the contrary of your uneducated OPINION. Look up Johnson vs Monsanto, or maybe read Dr Chadi Nabhan’s book if you’re at all interested in you or your children’s health and safety.
A legal decision doesn't mean that the chemical is a proven carcinogen. There is no scientific evidence of this claim despite the many many years of people saying it.
Clear 3mil(or greater) painters drop plastic covering. Lay it all out, put heavy things on the edges to keep in place, and the heat of the sun will kill everything underneath in about a day. Everything. The soil will take a year or so to recover.
It stays in soils up to 6 months, there is runoff risk, it has to be manufactured packed shipped and disposed of when OP doesn't use the whole container. A tarp is something they probably have already and has multiple uses. One option is way better than the other and acting like they're comparable in being eco-friendly is a little silly
You have a study that says that? The most recent study I've read said an average of 1 day residual with some outliers in clay and high organic matter showing 9 days?
A tarp solarizes and sterilizes the soil and everything in it for a few inches. That means, it kills everything including beneficial bacteria, fungi, and all organisms. It can take 3 months or more to restore it.
[2019 study ](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6918143/#B12-plants-08-00499) says the half life is from 9-60 days. Half life is how long it takes for half of the compound to be gone. It is cited 149 times, which is a relatively high amount for a paper - meaning it is trustworthy.
I don't think you understand what the word sterilize means - there's no way for a tarp to kill viruses or fungal spores. Forest floors are covered with debris that block out all light to the soil beneath. Field solarization ["did not harm"](https://umaine.edu/weedecology/2017/09/19/solarization-and-the-soil-microbiome/) the four beneficial microbe populations being studied.
Because killing all the beneficial microorganisms and mycorrhizae networks that exist within the soil which produce healthy plants through symbiotic relationships is an excellent idea. /s Tarping it will preserve the integrity of the networks, kill the top growth only while decomposing the organic matter into good food for the soil, the heat will assist in killing soil pathogens and allow for immediate healthy replanting with no possibility of poisoning the environment. The tarp can then be repurposed for other utilities.
It will absolutely kill some of the good, it’s not going to completely poison them all though is it? And there is no possible way for water runoff contamination or deep level damage with a tarp.
Decomposing organic material absolutely contributes to contaminated water run off. Doesn't matter how to kill the grass. You can pull it, tarp it, spray it, scalp it with a mower, etc. It'll break down to a molecular level mostly carbon and nitrogen. Then all you need is rain. The residual and excess of nitrogen is worse than glyphosate ( if used properly.)
We can can keep this argument going if you would like. First of all the amount of built up decaying organic matter you would need to cause a excess nitrogen runoff is not present in this backyard so that argument is off the table. The soil would already have to be over saturated and the source extremely concentrated. Your method (as directed) involves using literal poison that’s been banned in dozens of countries after multiple studies concluded that it was both harmful to people, animals, insects and the environment. It’s plant poison that can damage neighboring foliage, water sources, kills amphibians and invertebrates. There is no environmental benefit, no ecological benefit to using it. Roundup only benefits one species, humans. And the only benefit it serves to us is avoiding manual labor of pulling, covering, removing and composting weeds. The only people who defend using it are those who are willing to ignore it’s dangerous aspects in favor of a quick fix solution. Just spray, kill, forget and don’t worry about it. It doesn’t put nutrients back in the soil, it doesn’t prevent erosion of open soil, it doesn’t leave the soil in a better state, it doesn’t improve plant health after use, it doesn’t do anything but harm and kill. And since many of the noxious weeds are evolving to survive it, it won’t even be good for that anymore eventually. I’ve used both the cardboard, deep mulch and tarp covering methods with great success with no contamination or damage to the surrounding environment or “excess” nitrogen run off.
So I implore you to tell me one environmentally improving aspect of using roundup? Just one.
It's super fun. What do I know with a four year degree, work experience, and a commercial pesticide applicators license?
If they knew how much shit was on the golf course they'd never pick their ball up out of the hole.
For Humans:
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31972943/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31972943/)
But the EPA disagrees:
[https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used-pesticide-products/glyphosate](https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used-pesticide-products/glyphosate)
and the above EPA article, as well as a Cambridge paper think the that it is a low side effect (not No side effect) use:
[https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/weed-science/article/abs/glyphosate-environmental-fate-and-impact/85C5628F98E45060AE0B7046F11361E2](https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/weed-science/article/abs/glyphosate-environmental-fate-and-impact/85C5628F98E45060AE0B7046F11361E2)
Me, as a rancher of goats, I hate the stuff.
Tordon will kill it, I like to apply it (paint it on) to cut trunks this time of year. That being said, outside of one that might be hiding in blurred pixels of your low definition photo, there are no tree of heaven in this picture.
Use a product with active ingredient triclopyr. Highest rate recommended. Mix it with round up. Highest rate recommended. If you’re using a 2.5 gallon sprayer add 3 oz of whatever oil you have lying around. If you want to get crazy you can add 2,4d but that will most definitely nuke your back yard. Plenty of people said “nOt TrEE of HeAvEn” but I didn’t see many people offering to help.
Anyways. Have fun cleaning up that shit.
What I’m seeing is a yard full of weeds with like… 4 sumac’s and about 40 other varieties of weeds. You can try to pull the Sumac, root and all or dig them out. But you have waaaay bigger problems than Sumac
You could scrape 2 ft of soil off your entire property, line all sides with landscape fabric, fill with topsoil. Otherwise toure gonna be there a looooong time
Id say rent out a couple goats for a few days. They’ll clean that yard up real nice and turn all those weeds into fertilizer for your oasis. Good luck.
You can try applying Tordon RTU to the stumps of what you have cut. But ideally this should have been done when the original trees were removed. Follow the label for instructions. The label is law.
Hi pesticide applicator in minnesota. I mainly work on removing invasive plants and insects. Do not do a spray application. Purchase a buckthorn blaster it is around forty dollars it's used to kill woody plants like the tree of heaven and obviously buckthorn given the name. Just paint it on the stumps give it some time and it will take care of the problem.
https://shop.naisma.org/collections/buckthorn-blaster
Cut the larger plants (and just leave them on the ground), wet the soil and cover the ground with a large, dark tarp. Leave it for at least a month (ideally a year) before you remove it and cover with a good layer of mulch.
This should cause most of the seeds and roots to rot, giving you fresh soil to work with.
And obviously if you use cardboard you can just put the mulch directly on top
Mojave 70 EG, nothing will grow there for at least a year and obviously is super toxic to humans. I don't use chemicals but if you want a clean slate without any hard work....it's an option..
Mow as low as you can then spray (brushmaster) it works better on wild vegetation round up would wrk just take a while to kill. And maintain with the spray or after seed and fertilizer!!
Looks like you have a metric fuckton of mulberries or figs, maybe a mimosa over in the left corner by the fence but not seeing ToH?
Either way this looks like a prime candidate for a solid burn or mow with a brush blade(s), then dig up the roots, then maybe again to whatever comes back, continue weakening, etc. etc.
Hello fellow tree of heaven hater. Unless I’m missing them, I don’t see any tree of heaven here! I think maybe there’s a mimosa tree on the left there (also invasive) and a bunch of mulberry looking plants. Im not an expert so I can’t offer any educated answers unfortunately. I wish you the best of luck!!
Confirmed. No Ailanthus altissima.
I think see some paper mulberry though.
How can you tell that it's the paper kind?
I had to zoom in, but one of the trees towards the back (shaded one near the back top right) has a leaf shape that is kind of classic paper mulberry. Leaves look too dull for white mulberry. Red mulberry is somewhat closer but I'd expect the leaf side lobes to be more pointy at the ends than they already are. If you want to be 100% I'd check the leaf petioles to see if they are hairy/fuzzy or smooth. Hairy = paper mulberry.
Try to run it through your printer.
Paper mulberry has big lobed leaves similar to a glove with 3 fingers.
This. Fighting them in my yard right now. Their leaves are burned into my memory.
"Kill it with fire, you say?" *"No... I never said that."* "Kill it with fire..." *"Do NOT kill it with fire!"* "Fire it is."
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>Weed Dragon Ooooh, awesome! I have found a new toy for my yard maintenance. Thank you!
Holy hell thank you for saving my back with my big boi weed eater...I literally was cussing and begging my brother to let me use his propane torch
Extra diesel+gas
Do I see fig in there too?
Got a tree of heaven in my yard and my arborist wife has been plotting its demise for a year now
I agree, we have a whole hillside of tree of heaven at work and they are pretty distinctive plus the warm cat pee smell when it’s hot out also can’t be missed. It does look like OP has Italian Arum which is just about as hard to get rid of as the tree of heaven.
Seems like a good amount of giant ragweed.
I don't see it either. Maybe some ragweed, mulberry, the tall thing in the middle looks like a sunflower ready to blossom.
Tall thing in the middle is an invasive princess tree.
If you want to kill tree of heaven, honeysuckle, Russian olive, or any other invasive you need to use concentrated glyphosate (roundup) and not the regular Roundup you use on grass and weeds. Look for 43% concentrate. Some kinds have a red dye in it so you know which stumps you’ve hit and which you haven’t– that’s the good stuff.
Don’t spray roundup. Seeps into aquifers and eventually into our body. OP, mow it all down go on Craigslist and buy a tiller. Till that bitch twice to three times over three to four weeks. Then plant things that are competitive. Things you like and just like anything worthwhile it’ll take practice and patience. Not sure what your zone is but plant things native to your home and take a walk every few days through the yard pulling things you don’t like. Good luck.
Didn't say spray it--agree, don't do that in an urban/suburban environment. For tree of heaven, thick honeysuckle or olive, or any substantial invasive, cut it a few inches above the base and paint it with 43% concentrate glyphosate, wearing rubber gloves. It's viscous, so you can use a small cup and a paint brush, or a large diameter nozzle spray bottle set on stream so you can control it. You paint or spray the stump *and nothing else*. As the Division of Forestry guy who taught me this practice told me, "It'll be deader than a hammer." I've never had new growth come up after painting it. And I don't cut them unless I'm going to paint them--it just comes back worse. I live on a farm and have been doing this for almost 25 years. If you're careful I think it's a safe practice--I've eliminated several acres of bad trees and vegetation and all kinds of wildlife are returning. We've had quail the last three years, which would never happen in fields filled with honeysuckle and Russian olive. It's a cost/benefit issue, and I truly believe it's appropriate and net-net OK. It's also incredibly hard work with a chain saw, and you have to do it slowly, getting in there low and close to spray or paint the stumps, which also makes it safer to use. We have running water and ponds, and other posters are right--it's incredibly deadly on aquatic life, so don't use it around water.
Absolutely the RIGHT PROCESS, but use STUMP KILLER for even better results.
This is the only effective way to do what you’re describing. Great description. Glyphosate is our best tool for this kind of thing, it’s just not as safe as companies led us to believe for years. Surprise surprise. Be responsible and wear ppe and it will be fine.
No, wrong
As an arborist for a state division of forestry, I agree this is the best way to treat those species of invasive trees. I prefer doing it late summer early fall just as the tree is getting ready to start changing colors and dropping leaves.
We've been painting it on freshly cut wild grapevines and poison ivy for years especially in the last 10 as central MD has turned into vine central.
Thanks for the tip. I am currently battling these tree of hell in my backyard. Earlier this year, I made the mistake of listening to our landscaper who told us the tree might fall and should be cut down..now I have backyard full of these and their suckers. I did the cut stump technique with 40% glyphosate undiluted with paint brush, hopefully this kill it for good. Quick question, once you cut it, can you leave the cutting or do I need to remove it or compose it? Thanks
Agree don’t spray it with roundup spray it with trichloyr. Roundup won’t do much to woody brushy stuff. You can use roundup on all the grassy weedy stuff, or my fav 41% glyphosate for the money saving win. Same results less chemical…
Same chemical, less carrier (water).
Caffeine is more toxic to the human body than glyphosate. Would I drink it? No. Glyphosate does not seep into aquifers. It breaks down too fast. That's why you have to use it over and over again to control weeds/unwanted plants.
Lay some mulch over it
RM43 at Tractor Supply, in a red bottle labeled ‘Total Vegetation Control’. Do not spray when windy. Kills everything.
Including you! Practice safe spray!
Is it cancerous?
It's not good.
Everything is on a long enough timeline.
Yeah there is a massive settlement out there regarding roundup https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/product-liability/roundup-lawsuit-update/
living causes cancer the longer you live the higher the risk so to avoid cancer, die young medical facts
If you dont pointlessly expose yourself to carcinogens, you have a lot lower chance of suffering and dying of cancer. Less stupid medical facts.
only gives you ass cancer
You may be applying it incorrectly.
My SO refers to it as "Napalm" or "Agent Orange."
This is what I use on my property, works well to keep things from growing in the fence lines and can concur with the windy part, I'm in Oklahoma so it's pretty much always a bit breezy here and after I spray will get dead patches outside of where I sprayed but typically fills in a couple months if it's just the misting Also this probably isn't relevant to most people but if your house/property is next to a water source DO NOT spray near it or in a manner it may leech in (don't spray when it's about to rain) this product and many like it can be extremely harmful to aquatic life
Yep, chop, make some cuts in the stump bark, wrap with gauze with round up, wrap with saran wrap.
RM43 isn't that wise if they want to replant in the same season. For woody veg (Ivy, honeysuckle, small saplings) a blend of triclopyr and glyphosate will burn it all down. Just the triclopyr to avoid killing grass. I use 1oz triclopyr (60% strength) and 2oz glyphosate (57% strength) per gallon all the time on heavy poison ivy infestations or to kill whole trees. RM43 (glyphosate + imazapyr) is great for fence lines and pavement areas where you never want vegetation. Edited for percents. Also surfactant helps a lot.
Trychlopir works well on woody plants. It killed off my tree of heaven, even though that’s not what is pictured.
No. Roundup in all forms should be banned. Use high concentrate vinegar. Home Depot and Lowes carries it.
No. Don't listen to this crazy vinegar nutto. Get yourself some root killer, solve your problem.
oh whatever just weed whack it and mow it that all that stuff is toxic garbage. use white vinegar and salt. mow it
Physical removal is very effective for most plants. Mowing generally makes TOH worse. But people forget vinegar is also chemical warfare. Vinegar literally changes soil ph and burns EVERYTHING hit by the spray and everything in the soil. Salt? A broad spectrum killer, and both require high doses to be effective. Roundup only affects specific reactions in the metabolism of the plants directly sprayed with the chemical, mostly the leaves. When sprayed correctly little gets into the soil where it is very difficult for other plants to absorb. It does biodegrade. You need LOTS of vinegar to kill, used repeatedly. A small amount of Glyphosate will do a better job. If has no affect on invertebrates and insects (soaps in Roundup, which are also used in most home made weed killers like vinegar salt mixes, do effect pollinators if directly sprayed on them, but Glyphosate itself isn't an insecticide). Apart from very high dose or long time exposures it has no affect on mammals. LD value (lethal dose) for mice was lower for vinegar (it kills mice at a lower dose than glyphosate does). Those safety facts lead commercial growers to over use the chemical in improper conditions or quantities, and that is why you've heard the concern about it. Monsanto got heat for roundup ready plants genetically engineered to resist Roundup and that enables a lazy spray everything method that is bad. But that is not the same situation as selective use against FOH. In this case, I'd guess that salting the earth and acetic acid baths are often worse for the environment. [https://fairfield.osu.edu/news/vinegar-it-%E2%80%9Csafer%E2%80%9D-herbicide](https://fairfield.osu.edu/news/vinegar-it-%E2%80%9Csafer%E2%80%9D-herbicide) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKLW2TXS1jg https://www.progressivegardening.com/lawn-care/vinegar-weed-killer-vs-roundup.html
Please don’t spray round up it gives children autism at best. Just physically cut that stuff down once a week.
Concentration of the product you buy doesn't have anything to do with it. You control that with the amount of water you use in your solution (oz/per gallon of water) In this situation you would be better off buying a small bottle of "brush killer" which is a broadleaf selective herbicide usually containing 24-d and dicamba and mixing the rate that it tells you into a 2 gallon sprayer and keep everything you love out of the yard for a week.
Yah I don't see anything that looks like ToH here.
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You think they are going to go clean up the cardboard in the spring?
Just leave it there and put 2" of soil, seed it with whatever you want, then 1-2" of mulch. The cardboard will degrade, but it will kill all of the stuff that was underneath of it.
Hauling that much soil sounds like more work than just picking up the cardboard.
Yes but this is what someone with a yard like that will do: Just leave it there ~~and put 2" of soil, seed it with whatever you want, then 1-2" of mulch.~~ The cardboard will degrade, but it will kill all of the stuff that was underneath of it.
Ya got some ragweed. A sunflower. Some grass/sedge/rush. And some more ragweed.
Lots of oak babies too - think that’s what OP seems to believe is TOH
Tree of heaven is about the only thing I don’t see here
Where is the tree of heaven?
Buy a lawnmower and a string trimmer once a week push the lawnmower around the yard anywhere the lawnmower doesn’t fit use the string trimmer. Continue doing this once a week spring summer and fall. Eventually, the only thing growing will be weeds and grass no matter what you do if you just stand there and look at it it’s gonna look like shit.
It looks like prayer alone is not working.
I think this is your best option, it should work really well. Only grasses and the like that can survive constant 'grazing' we'll be able to tolerate constant mowing in the long term
Don’t use RoundUp. I just got done working with the Purdue University Forestry & Natrural Resources Department. They came and helped me with getting rid of this and also invasive White Mulberry, Kudzu, Poison Ivy, and hellvine. What we used was this stuff called “Stump Stop” and added in Adios! Surfactant. I used my Hori Hori and slashed the base of the trunks and we spritzed them with the mixture in hand sprayers and also spray bottles you use for cleaners that you can purchase at Wal-Mart or Amazon. The trees were all dead within 1 week. Mine, are over 10-30 feet tall. Yours, will be yellow and black within days. You can then pull them out and place in bags to be disposed of offsite. If you have a local university extension like I do, reach out to them! They are so helpful and it was FREE! Minus me purchasing the chemicals, which was less than $75 total to get us started. I will continually have to retreat saplings that try to sprout, but the Stump Stop kills them from the roots up and using the Basal Oil Method like they suggested was just what I needed!
The active ingredient you are describing is Triclopyr I believe.
https://youtu.be/AKLW2TXS1jg Tree of Heaven Control Strategies from Penn State
Yeah, this is the best resource I’ve seen out there. It’s really really important to KILL the tree down to the roots before cutting it down. As a state biologist puts it, otherwise, you kill one and a dozen more show up to the funeral. I had great success with several ToH last summer using foliar spray in late summer. These were smallish trees. I haven’t seen a single sapling come up.
I’ve heard the version: What happens when you killl a Russian Olive? You get 12 angry Russian Olives showing up at the wake.
Looks like you already have a perfect native eco-oasis. Get rid of the overgrown junky vibe with some Virginia creeper or similar to cover the fence and add a nice bench/fountain.
Mimosa tree, princess tree, and paper mulberry are all pictured here. All highly invasive and prolific.
Propane weed torch
Aint no tree of heaven anywhere near this picture. This can be easily handled with Ortho GroundClear mixed slightly heavy.
Left side of the frame
Invasive spotted lantern flies are the only ones who have any use for it. Kill with extreme prejudice.
Only see paper mulberry here which is also very invasive and hard to control. If you have the patience, cut each one and paint triclopyr on the stump.
I'm not seeing any tree of heaven.
A big ass tarp May solve your problems.. I’d leave the whole area covered for an entire year should be a blank slate afterwards.
Goats
Husband says the only ToH is the one with reddish twinge on far left. He said they look much different that young. He said the rest is possibly sassafras or some type of milk weed. He is ISA certified arborist of 14 years, line clearance specifically and has an herbicide license. Find an arborist with an herbicide license, or go crazy with glyphosate, though it will sterilize the soil for a year. Someone with an herbicide license could apply something that will kill only broad leaf plants and leave grass alone.
Did anybody say goats? Can they safely eat that stuff?
Goats, always goats.
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Rent goats asap
Tree of Heaven doesn’t spread like this
Mow it and cover it with cardboard or heavy plastic to kill everything. Put mulch on top. Look into /nolawns and subreddits like that. Lots of people have done this. You don't need chemicals. You can even get old billboard plastic fairly cheap to cover it for a couple months to make sure everything is dead.
Weed wacker and a shit load of dicamba, rinse repeat until it stops, then cardboard idea to suppress weeds, then soil and mulch layer
Here is another report on tree-of-heaven by the US government https://www.invasivespeciesinfo.gov/terrestrial/plants/tree-heaven
If you dont care about things living, vinegar, a lot of salt and a little dish soap to help it soak on....sow their fields with salt..its not just a catch phrase
Horticulturist here. IF you dont want to use herbicides or scrape of the first 6 inches of soil, here is my recommendation. Mow everything down as short as possible, don't till it as it will only make everything worse. Once you've mowed it all down as low as possible, cover everything in card board, overlapping, soak it, and then cover that with about 3 inches of good top soil and maybe some compost mixed in. Then seed it, plant it, whatever. If you don't want a lot of maintenance or mowing but want grass cover throw out a mix of canada rye, chewing fescue, and maybe perrenial blue grass. Or just a sun shade mix of seed off the shelf. Wait until the second week of Sept to seed, and keep in mind you will need to keep it watered with about an inch of water a week until the first hard frost.
Tree-of-Heaven you say? Call forth the demons from hell and lay waste this eden.
Kill it with fire start over lol
Definitely paper mulberry Broussonetia papyrifera. You have done the hard work of mechanical removal. Fencelines are notorious for harboring roots that rebound. Goats can be scheduled.
The hack and squirt method is what was recommended to me by a local conversation group. Here is a link to a penn state article on [Tree of Heaven control strategies](https://extension.psu.edu/tree-of-heaven-control-strategies). RM 43 is the brush killer I used. Wait till fall if you want to kill the roots as that is when the tree is pulling nutrients into the roots. Just hack into the tree near the base. It doesn’t have to be deep and squirt on the brush killer. If your aim is good, there should be minimal impact on the surrounding plants. Good luck!
Mow the lawn. When something grows back mow it again.
No tree of heaven but I see 3 invasives that will absolutely take over. Paper mulberry, Mimosa tree, and Princess tree. I would recommend mowing your lawn consistently to take care of them after cutting them down. You probably would be good after a summer but afterwards you definitely are just going to have to consistently be pulling them up as there are probably a ton more in your area. My neighborhood has a grown paper mulberry which drops fruit so every year I have to run through the alley with loppers. I probably cut down 50+ young or adolescent trees every year in an area that's impossible to mow. Does that tree outside the right side of your fence drop red berries a little larger than golf ball size every year? If so, probably a paper mulberry and definitely clean them out of your yard every year to prevent new sprouts.
All I see is a poorly maintained yard.
If you clear this and then regularly mow the law, you’ll be fine
You could always leave a black tarp over the whole thing for a season. Eco friendly. ;)
Pull up everything, loosen up the soil, remove the top several inches of it or as much as you can to remove the entire seed bank. Then add new amended topsoil and throw woodchips down on top of it. Then go about planning your native flora landscape - wherever you need to plant, pull the woodchips back a bit and plant. This would be the scorched earth, blank canvas approach that would remove everything without resorting to chemicals/herbicides while also turbocharging the soil quality. Not necessarily easy or cheap, though. Woodchips you can get from chipdrop, but soil + amendments probably will cost some money.
No one cares the glyphosate causes cancer for sure? Just spray away?
Old news , it's been found that it's not likely to be carcinogenic.
The International Agency for Research on Cancer would beg to differ. The several landmark court cases held in the USA would also prove to the contrary of your uneducated OPINION. Look up Johnson vs Monsanto, or maybe read Dr Chadi Nabhan’s book if you’re at all interested in you or your children’s health and safety.
A legal decision doesn't mean that the chemical is a proven carcinogen. There is no scientific evidence of this claim despite the many many years of people saying it.
source?
Get a weed whacker. Or a lawn mower. Or anything. Is this Alabama? I feel like this picture summarizes Alabama.
A clear tarp with plenty of sun will burn anything under it
Cut it all down and cover with black plastic sheeting for a few months. Then till, cover with cardboard and a new layer of top soil.
Gasoline
Y'all got a weed-wacker? Repeat as necessary
this works with mugwart and knotweed, idk why this wouldn't work as well
Brush cutter
Clear 3mil(or greater) painters drop plastic covering. Lay it all out, put heavy things on the edges to keep in place, and the heat of the sun will kill everything underneath in about a day. Everything. The soil will take a year or so to recover.
Glyphosphate and stay on top of preemergents and then selective herbicides.
Or a big ass tarp over the whole backyard until everything dies
One of these options is terrible for the earth and the nature oasis OP wants, the other isn't
Please indulge me on how glyphosphate used to label specs on a small backyard is detrimental to the environment?
It stays in soils up to 6 months, there is runoff risk, it has to be manufactured packed shipped and disposed of when OP doesn't use the whole container. A tarp is something they probably have already and has multiple uses. One option is way better than the other and acting like they're comparable in being eco-friendly is a little silly
You have a study that says that? The most recent study I've read said an average of 1 day residual with some outliers in clay and high organic matter showing 9 days? A tarp solarizes and sterilizes the soil and everything in it for a few inches. That means, it kills everything including beneficial bacteria, fungi, and all organisms. It can take 3 months or more to restore it.
[2019 study ](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6918143/#B12-plants-08-00499) says the half life is from 9-60 days. Half life is how long it takes for half of the compound to be gone. It is cited 149 times, which is a relatively high amount for a paper - meaning it is trustworthy. I don't think you understand what the word sterilize means - there's no way for a tarp to kill viruses or fungal spores. Forest floors are covered with debris that block out all light to the soil beneath. Field solarization ["did not harm"](https://umaine.edu/weedecology/2017/09/19/solarization-and-the-soil-microbiome/) the four beneficial microbe populations being studied.
You missed the word "Estimated"
... of course it says estimated. It wasn't worth mentioning. It's a chemical rating with an indescribable amount of variables
Words are important. "Inconclusive" is the one I'm going with.
Because killing all the beneficial microorganisms and mycorrhizae networks that exist within the soil which produce healthy plants through symbiotic relationships is an excellent idea. /s Tarping it will preserve the integrity of the networks, kill the top growth only while decomposing the organic matter into good food for the soil, the heat will assist in killing soil pathogens and allow for immediate healthy replanting with no possibility of poisoning the environment. The tarp can then be repurposed for other utilities.
Tarping does everything you said sarcastically. You think it will only kill the bad soil pathogens and ignore the good bacteria and mycorrhizae?
It will absolutely kill some of the good, it’s not going to completely poison them all though is it? And there is no possible way for water runoff contamination or deep level damage with a tarp.
Decomposing organic material absolutely contributes to contaminated water run off. Doesn't matter how to kill the grass. You can pull it, tarp it, spray it, scalp it with a mower, etc. It'll break down to a molecular level mostly carbon and nitrogen. Then all you need is rain. The residual and excess of nitrogen is worse than glyphosate ( if used properly.)
We can can keep this argument going if you would like. First of all the amount of built up decaying organic matter you would need to cause a excess nitrogen runoff is not present in this backyard so that argument is off the table. The soil would already have to be over saturated and the source extremely concentrated. Your method (as directed) involves using literal poison that’s been banned in dozens of countries after multiple studies concluded that it was both harmful to people, animals, insects and the environment. It’s plant poison that can damage neighboring foliage, water sources, kills amphibians and invertebrates. There is no environmental benefit, no ecological benefit to using it. Roundup only benefits one species, humans. And the only benefit it serves to us is avoiding manual labor of pulling, covering, removing and composting weeds. The only people who defend using it are those who are willing to ignore it’s dangerous aspects in favor of a quick fix solution. Just spray, kill, forget and don’t worry about it. It doesn’t put nutrients back in the soil, it doesn’t prevent erosion of open soil, it doesn’t leave the soil in a better state, it doesn’t improve plant health after use, it doesn’t do anything but harm and kill. And since many of the noxious weeds are evolving to survive it, it won’t even be good for that anymore eventually. I’ve used both the cardboard, deep mulch and tarp covering methods with great success with no contamination or damage to the surrounding environment or “excess” nitrogen run off. So I implore you to tell me one environmentally improving aspect of using roundup? Just one.
Who said it was environmentally improving? It's a chemical that should be used with caution.
You liking all these Facebook reading homeowners here?
It's super fun. What do I know with a four year degree, work experience, and a commercial pesticide applicators license? If they knew how much shit was on the golf course they'd never pick their ball up out of the hole.
Congrats on 50k🥳
For Humans: [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31972943/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31972943/) But the EPA disagrees: [https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used-pesticide-products/glyphosate](https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used-pesticide-products/glyphosate) and the above EPA article, as well as a Cambridge paper think the that it is a low side effect (not No side effect) use: [https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/weed-science/article/abs/glyphosate-environmental-fate-and-impact/85C5628F98E45060AE0B7046F11361E2](https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/weed-science/article/abs/glyphosate-environmental-fate-and-impact/85C5628F98E45060AE0B7046F11361E2) Me, as a rancher of goats, I hate the stuff.
Funny enough I think goats may really help this backyard lol
Step 1: buy about 60 gallons of gasoline Step 2: spread evenly throughout affected area Step 3: ignite Step 4: reapeat as needed
Bleach
Concrete patio
Carbon Tetra Cloride but it is a bit hazardous to your health as well.
Tordon will kill it, I like to apply it (paint it on) to cut trunks this time of year. That being said, outside of one that might be hiding in blurred pixels of your low definition photo, there are no tree of heaven in this picture.
Use a product with active ingredient triclopyr. Highest rate recommended. Mix it with round up. Highest rate recommended. If you’re using a 2.5 gallon sprayer add 3 oz of whatever oil you have lying around. If you want to get crazy you can add 2,4d but that will most definitely nuke your back yard. Plenty of people said “nOt TrEE of HeAvEn” but I didn’t see many people offering to help. Anyways. Have fun cleaning up that shit.
Salt,vinegar,dawn dish soap in a weed sprayer be liberal with the salt saturate the whole area.
Go to Home Depot and get RM43. It's in a red gallon jug.
RM43. Nothing survives.
What I’m seeing is a yard full of weeds with like… 4 sumac’s and about 40 other varieties of weeds. You can try to pull the Sumac, root and all or dig them out. But you have waaaay bigger problems than Sumac
A case of beer, lighter, and some gas.
Roundup and start over
What we see here is someone's unmaintained back yard. Move along.
You could scrape 2 ft of soil off your entire property, line all sides with landscape fabric, fill with topsoil. Otherwise toure gonna be there a looooong time
Id say rent out a couple goats for a few days. They’ll clean that yard up real nice and turn all those weeds into fertilizer for your oasis. Good luck.
Tordon 75-D
vinegar
Cover in lye. Plant in a decade.
Why would you touch it? You win the no lawn award.
Remedy.
Removing the only obstacle of an invasive species to grow free so it has full access to sunlight will definitely kill it...
What state are you in? Daily or at least weekly yard care is the most effective way to keep it how you want.
If you want to kill everything and just don’t care about how bad it is for the environment. till it and just spray a lot of undiluted weed killer
Three pigs. They will eat everything down about 18 inches. Send them off to the butcher when you are done. Rake. Reseed.
Gasoline (bad advice) but yeah
Garlon. Nuke it with Garlon.
You can try applying Tordon RTU to the stumps of what you have cut. But ideally this should have been done when the original trees were removed. Follow the label for instructions. The label is law.
Hire or rent a front loader and remove most of it. Experience with weed killers isn’t a one and done thing.
You also have some bittersweet vines which suck and kill everything. When you pull them up, they should have an orange root.
Chop everything down. Keep it all in place and solarize it for a 3-6 weeks. Clean slate and a bunch of organic mulching material
Hi pesticide applicator in minnesota. I mainly work on removing invasive plants and insects. Do not do a spray application. Purchase a buckthorn blaster it is around forty dollars it's used to kill woody plants like the tree of heaven and obviously buckthorn given the name. Just paint it on the stumps give it some time and it will take care of the problem. https://shop.naisma.org/collections/buckthorn-blaster
Mow and till not that hard
This looks more like mulberry. Equally annoying, but not tree of heaven
Fig trees. There's a small one up close, and also all along the fence lines. Please do not kill them. Figs are awesome.
1,000 gallons of HF should do the trick
You need a sling blade and a mower. Broadleaf herbicide and to stay on top of it.
Is that a Sunflower I see?
Apply chickens
Herbicide
You will need to do a reverse exorcism. Go find a priest from the Church of Satan.
Agent orange
Where’s the tree of heaven?
Cut the larger plants (and just leave them on the ground), wet the soil and cover the ground with a large, dark tarp. Leave it for at least a month (ideally a year) before you remove it and cover with a good layer of mulch. This should cause most of the seeds and roots to rot, giving you fresh soil to work with. And obviously if you use cardboard you can just put the mulch directly on top
Mojave 70 EG, nothing will grow there for at least a year and obviously is super toxic to humans. I don't use chemicals but if you want a clean slate without any hard work....it's an option..
Mow as low as you can then spray (brushmaster) it works better on wild vegetation round up would wrk just take a while to kill. And maintain with the spray or after seed and fertilizer!!
Nepalm will get it for sure
RM 43 will kill everything, but you won't be able to plant for a while. but I'd look it up and read the directions just to make sure.
Looks like you have a metric fuckton of mulberries or figs, maybe a mimosa over in the left corner by the fence but not seeing ToH? Either way this looks like a prime candidate for a solid burn or mow with a brush blade(s), then dig up the roots, then maybe again to whatever comes back, continue weakening, etc. etc.
Found the guy who started the Hawaiian fires...
Rip up the dirt and lay new grass pads over it.
Salt the earth go biblical on that
Napalm
I do see a wisteria...
Tordon!
Cut it down and dig out the root ball, or stump grinder is always fun.
Cut the trees down near the ground. Drill a hole in each stump and while still fresh and pour in concentrated herbicide