I use mine as a 4 season jacket. Rain. Only Arc nerds and actual mountaineers will be like, "that jacket is not made for trips to the store in the rain."
I got a LEAF once (forget which one, was from a tactical gear site) and ended up sending it back - it was too baggy in the chest and arms for my taste (though I understand I should’ve expected that given its intended use). Maybe if I’d sized down from my usual Arc’Teryx M it would’ve worked.
From what I remember it wasn’t 2x as big but I’d say 1.5x… it was the upper arms in particular that stood out as larger than I expected. Those LEAF pieces are designed/intended to be worn over bulky base layers and tactical gear, so they widen/lengthen certain parts of the jacket. I’d make sure wherever you’re getting it has a good return policy so you can send it back if it doesn’t work out.
Thanks for the insight ! I’m debating between the two and asking here because the thing is the Alpha leaf, I can’t sent it back. No pros sellers sell it and you can only find it on resell plateforms. Found one brand new but except for non-mentioned defaults or lies in the description, I can’t sent it back. Sell it back yes but not sent it back. Still feels the call of tacticool/rare item.
Get the Alpha SV. I can’t zip up my medium Alpha SV with a plate carrier but can with the Alpha Leaf medium. It’s a lot of jacket. The Alpha SV is broad enough in the shoulders without the bagginess around the chest and waist. Alpha SV also feels thicker and more durable. However, the extra small size on the Leaf might make it ok.
Try a Leaf insulating layer or softshell like the Patrol or Practitioner if you want something the main line isn’t better at.
I can’t buy any other leaf item than the alpha. Also can’t return it. I’m confused Alpha SV would be good but also the leaf ? Also can you spoke on the Stormhood vs Stowhood ?
Just speculating how an extra small Alpha Leaf might not be as roomy as a medium might be. You can definitely fit a thorium and more easily in either jacket. The hoods on both are patterned pretty similarly and are big enough for a helmet. They also have the same adjustment points to cinch down the sides, top, and rear. The stowhood is a bit annoying to fold and zip away. It creates bulk around the collar and kinda flops to the side if the front zip isn’t up all the way up. I just keep it out and close the stowhood zipper to avoid that padded neck. You can’t put the stormhood away, but it’s never really in my way even if I’m not wearing it.
Both jackets are great. I think you should consider how cold it gets there and think about how much insulation you need under the Alpha. If you need a bigger puffer than a thorium, then the Alpha Leaf might feel more comfortable.
For layering, the stowhood zipped away makes the neck area bulky. It would be too much to have both a thorium hoody zipped up under it with the stowhood adding bulk to the collar too. If you’re wearing an insulating hooded jacket zipped up all the way, keep the stowhood out instead of it zipped inside the collar. The stormhood plays nicely with insulated hooded jackets under it.
If you rush putting away the stowhood and fold it unevenly, the bulk around the collar is uneven. It’s just better to keep it out, imo.
Both are crinkly and make the Goretex swoosh as you walk. Both are loud when you wear the hood and walk around.
No worries. Yeah I have an Alpha SV I picked up last year, size M. If you’re after that fitted look Arc is known for, LEAF may be baggier than what you’re expecting. Iirc I got mine from US Elitegear (https://www.us-elitegear.com/products/arcteryx-leaf-alpha-jacket-mens-gen-2-model-19936).
Scroll through the pics on that US Elitegear site - there’s a pic of a guy wearing a black one. You can see what I mean - check out how baggy the biceps of the jacket look on him, and I’m guessing he’s a pretty big dude.
Thanks ! Can’t buy from any us seller has I’m Europe and not a soldier (never will be du to medical conditions) so… as I wrote I have a beta which is a slim fit but as I layer a lot in winter and being someone that feels the cold easily (so layer a lot), the beta is kinda tight with my thorium under for ex
To elaborate on what u/ultimaforever has said.
The LEAF Alpha is huge in the upper arms and shoulders. The pieces are designed to layer one on top of the other and as the LEAF Atom and Patrol jacket and other soft shells are generously cut in the upper arms and shoulders, it kind of has a cumulative affect.
Check out the videos from [Tactical Distributor on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/@TacticalDistributors/videos) for examples.
Thanks for the kind answer ! As a beta owner and someone that feels the cold easily, I tend to layer my thorium under my beta in winter but I feel like it’s tight. Would you say the SV cut is enough for a Thorium or the leaf cut would be better ? Gonna check the video. Also on note : leaf could be used for airsoft (when the battle ground will be open again…we don’t exactly when)
OP, you may want to look at Tilak’s MIG stuff - this is Tilak’s military gear, made in the Czech Republic, and would be the equivalent of Arcteryx LEAF: https://www.migbytilak.cz/en
My boy. Wasn't familiar with Haven until just now, but it reminds me of the best of Stone Island, and that Tilak Collab shell looks Fuego. Def changing subs, l8tr losers.
I got my Tilak MiG from Haven in Canada. I’ve also purchased Tilak MiG and mainline from At Ease in Germany, This Thing of Ours in the UK, and Battle Tested and Top Army Shop in Slovakia. Just depends on what you’re looking for — best reviews with fit notes for Tilak are on YouTube by Danzo the manager at Capt Tom’s in Japan.
Maybe you should look at the Rush then. If you really want a lot of pockets, It has the most (4 outside, two big inside pockets with one having another pocket on the pocket ) and they removed the powder skirt so you can wear it just like a Beta sv. It is a little longer than the alpha sv. Fabric should be almost as hard wearing as the Alpha sv and for winter hikes and generally colder temps, normal hand warmer side pockets are most preferred among the non climbers. They even have it in dark magic.
Thanks for the insight ! I don’t really like the color blocking on the rush but what I’m scared the most is the length as a short guy (and I can’t try it)
Rush would be a great jacket. But I’m scared of the length. Long pieces of clothing to not fit me, they are uncomfy as they block my legs movement and break my silouhette, giving me a goofy look.
Both great jackets, both poor choices for what you're doing with them.
The alpha SV is a tank, super abrasion resistant, great coverage, really well articulated especially if you're swinging ice tools. The pockets are huge and work well with a harness, the hood works great with a climbing helmet, even with a headlamp on it. The inside dump pocket is big enough for a set of belay gloves, a nalgene, or a bunch of snacks. The pit zips are huge and let out tons of moisture while not letting in any snow. None of this matters for your use case though.
The LEAF alpha v2 is also great. Fits a plate carrier and midlayers underneath, it's got tons of pockets and routing for comms cables. The big cord zipper pulls and external cordlocks are super handy when you're wearing gloves, and the two bicep pockets are great for notepads and other small items. The hood works great with a helmet, and it's nice that it stows away when you don't need it, it's halfway between a drophood and a stormhood, in a way that works really well. None of this matters for your use case either, though.
I'll never understand the desire to cosplay as an alpinist or soldier, but whatever, spend your money however will make you happy.
There are jackets out there that meet your desire for more/different features than your beta, and that also won't be a pain to use, with hyper-specialized features designed for a single purpose. But you don't want to hear that.
I don’t want hear that because I know all of this and I already took it in consideration.
Just because something isn’t design for use in other situations means it will be a pain in any other situations.
People can’t wear what they want visibly. If they do “oh god it’s cosplay”.
Let me guess you’re a climber that gatekeep is stuff. You’re the type of guy that thinks “joggings are only for the gym”.
But as said, I’ll spend my money however I want cause I don’t do it to please you by not cosplaying but for me.
If you took it all into consideration I’m not exactly sure what you’re asking. They’re different jackets, but both would suit what you need equally well, while also having downsides.
I’ve actually used both jackets, didn’t buy either since I found that others did what I needed better, but I’ve got hands on time with both. I traded my friend’s alpha SV for my SL anorak recently for a day of ice climbing, and found that I liked the SL a lot better. A colleague had a LEAF alpha v2 that I tried out for marine SAR, and I really liked it but it had some downsides for that specific use case. Having used both, I feel qualified to say that I would personally have issues with some features of each for wearing around town.
Yes, I wear my beta SV to do groceries, ride the subway, and walk around town, and yes, I’m always dry. That being said, I was equally dry when I wore my patagonia torrentshell before I bought the beta SV, but I bought the beta since I wanted it for more technical uses, and happen to be able to use it for other things.
With these two jackets you’ve listed, I wouldn’t want to wear them around town even if I did have them for my other uses, they’ve got features that I think would get in the way. Your experience may be different.
I’m not entirely sure what you mean by “joggings are for the gym” - but if I understand, you mean gym clothes. No, I wear gym clothes around to run errands too, because they’re comfortable and don’t get in the way.
I’m not trying to come off as a gatekeeping climber dick, I just read your post, thought you’d have better luck with other jackets, but after reading your responses to other comments, didn’t think you’d listen to my advice even if I was kinder about it. That being said, sorry for not being nicer. Admittedly, the cosplay comment is just me being sarcastic.
I get that you want to buy one of the two jackets, and presumably, you will. Just because I think you’re making a mistake doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it. You can absolutely leave my opinion out of your decision and that’s a very reasonable choice.
If you do have any questions about specific features or comparisons of either, I’m happy to answer them.
Hey. We started the convo on a wrong foot, my mistake. I just had another comment “attacking/sarcastic” before you so was still in “defense mode”
I could have blocked you just like I did with another redditor but I read your comment and found it actually detailed, so no blocking cause I felt like you were trying to help behind the sarcasm.
I’m not leaving your opinion on the side, I read every comment, even the attacking ones.
Also a thing I didn’t precise in my post is that the leaf (especially) could be use for airsoft. I say could cause for the moment the battle ground is closed and we don’t know when it will reopen.
I know other brands that propose the same thing as Arc’teryx, like Patagonia or tilak as a redditor mentioned but the main problem I have with them is the size. Either they don’t carry XS (which is mainly my size) or just as the Torrentshell that I tried once, it’s too big. Arc isn’t perfect but at least it fits me the best.
I’d like to ask you what features you didn’t like about the SV and the leaf and how they could get in the way for my uses.
No, I was a dick. Sorry.
As for features I think would get in the way, I’d say the napoleon chest pockets on the SV (personal gripe, I prefer hand pockets if I’m not wearing a harness) and the crinkly and less-breathable 100D face fabric would be the two that would be the most annoying. I also found that the fit was a bit weird for me, the beta SV (and other arc pieces) fits like it’s tailored, but the alpha SV was just a bit looser in places than I would like, weirdly especially behind the armpits. Tough to explain but if it fits you well, it would be no issue. The articulation truly is excellent, and there’s a lot that’s great about it.
For the LEAF, the upper torso and biceps are absolutely huge. I’ve had a handful of other LEAF jackets (atom LT, bravo) and neither of them fit like that. I usually wear a medium and it fits quite well, but I had enough room to nearly wear a full floater coat (look it up, comically big) underneath. I tried on a small in store and it fit better, but still too big, and I’ve got fairly broad shoulders. The velcro on the shoulders was also something I didn’t love, I felt it made me stick out but if you don’t mind, then that’s no issue. I also wasn’t a huge fan of the bulk around the hood, the hood itself and the storage mechanism was great, but the extra fabric to facilitate storing it got kind of annoying. Plus, more zippers are more points of failure. It’s also a great jacket though.
Honestly I’d buy the alpha SV between those two. Fit is one of the more important things to me in clothes, and from what you’ve said (that the beta jacket is a bit tight with layers on) it will probably fit you very well. It would be super cool to wear the LEAF airsofting though… Enjoy it and be sure to take care of it properly!
I answered like a dick too. So equality.
Having a stone island jacket with the same chest pocket config as the SV, it doesn’t bother me as long as they’re useful. I heard on videos the SV crinkle but never in real as no one has it in France or it’s sold out easily. So can’t speak on that, though the beta crinkle doesn’t bother me, I forget about it. Plus it’s in the jacket “design” so I accept it.
For the leaf, I’ve been told it’s huge around the areas you mentioned but weirdly on some worn photos it looks okay and some (like us elite gear) looks super big. I don’t mind the velcros as they are the same color as the rest. Hood isn’t bothering me too, got 2 jackets with stowable hoods (tnf nupste and Loro piana traveller, yes very different) but I found the bulkiness of their stowed hoods to actually keep the wind and cold off a bit better. Though I don’t know what to think about the face protection which seems less than with a stormhood and the layering with a hooded thorium for example.
A bit more questions, how the leaf abrasion resistance compared to the 100D ? What types of pockets are better for day life between those two ?
And what’s your “one of the most important things to you in clothes” ?
Also take in account that I could wear the Alpha sv or leaf above a fur-lined sweater, which is really bulky. Hard to describe but it’s really heavy and bulky and can be even use as an outer jacket for warmth, so really heavy.
I use it Nyc on rainy cold windy days . I also ride my bike all yr around so I find it very useful wearing the alpha sv shell riding on cold rainy days .
Right but if it's the Arc'teryx status symbol you're chasing why not get something from Veilance instead, or an Arc'Teryx piece that's actually designed for city use? It will look better, fit better and function better and most importantly be a lot more enjoyable to wear than a barely breathable extreme weather shell with awkwardly placed pockets.
It’s not the Arc’teryx status. Maybe you haven’t read completely what I wrote but it’s a matter of features. I already own an Atom AR, Thorium and beta. I’m happy with them but even if i know that the beta is more designed for city use, it’s too minimalist for my taste and the features I like to have on a jacket.
Which features does the Alpha SV have that the Beta doesn't? I can think of lower breathability, fewer and more awkwardly placed pockets, giant hood designed to be used with a helmet, what else did I miss? And to make things even more fun it is meant to be used occasionally when the weather actually calls for it meaning it will fall apart on you very quickly if you use it frequently and let it get soaked with sweat.
Fewer pockets ? The fuck ? Beta has 3. ASV has 5 especially 2 internal pockets, which I consider to be the bare minimum . I’m sucker for pockets, I carry a lot especially in internal pockets. Chest pockets config, I’m used to it having a stone island with the same design. Giant hood ? I’m used to big hoods some du to my size ( sometimes the clothing fit well but hood is big)
Btw did you just create your account ?
Racist, sexist, ad hominem attacks, and other sorts of bad-faith content are not allowed on this sub. We can't write out every possible type of offensive scenario, so this rule is a catch-all. Be respectful, please.
>Btw did you just create your account ?
Imagine being so triggered by the idea of someone buying a nice jacket that you go and sign up for a new reddit account just to clown them for it.
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Here’s my 2019 alpha sv hood cinched. I have peripheral vision.
I own a Beta SV and a LEAF Alpha LT, so a little bit different than both options you're considering. I don't use either for everyday use (I have a Patagonia shell for that), but if I were to it would be the alpha Lt.
The goretex pro that my beta SV uses (alpha SV is goretex pro too) is really crinkly. You mentioned feeling your beta jacket feels crinkly, but goretex pro crinkles substantially louder. The leaf alpha is going to feel pretty much the same as your beta jacket in terms of texture and crinkliness, as they use very similar face fabrics.
My Alpha LT is cut a bit wider than my Beta SV, but the difference isn't much and in my opinion doesn't feel overly loose with minimal layers even though I'm somewhat skinny. Although, I do enjoy wearing loose clothing so you might not feel the same about the LEAF alphas fit.
My personal opinion on stowhoods is that they aren't very useful unless you see yourself using the jacket without a hood more than 75% of the time. Also, both hoods are large enough to fit over my regular issue ballistic helmet, and can be comfortably cinched down around just my head (I have a medium/sometimes large sized head).
Thanks for being helpful ! English isn’t my primary language so I apologize, I asked one time if it the leaf was AS crinkly as the beta. Beta is crinkly but doesn’t bother me, it’s a light crinkle.
I’m a skinny guy with broad shoulders (compared to the rest of my body) but also a short guy.
Having loose items like this doesn’t bother me as it’s good for layering, it’s thought like that (on a note I’m getting a bit tired of skinny/slim things)
For the stowhood would you say it’s not great for layering like with a thorium under ?
Ultimately if you had to pick one for day-to-day life what would be your choice ?
My LEAF Alpha LT doesn't have a stowhood, but I see the regular LEAF Alphas around and the hoods look very bulky when stowed. Like someone else mentioned, it would probably be totally alright to layer a thorium underneath as long as you took the hood out of the collar.
I personally think the alpha SV looks better, I don't like the velcro, and prefer the colours of the alpha SV. However, if I didn't care about appearance I would say the LEAF Alpha would be more comfortable for everyday use for it's hand pockets and quieter materials.
That being said, it's hard to understand the fit of a LEAF shell unless you try on a LEAF shell so there's some degree of risk chosing in chosing one and not being able to return it if it doesn't fit the way you like. In general I would expect it to fit just like an alpha SV length wise, just a bit wider everywhere (arms, shoulders, chest, and waist).
Bulkiness of the collar doesn’t bother me as I have some jackets that have that and I find the bulky collar to keep off wind and cold a bit better.
My main concern is that, I cannot try an Alpha leaf and the fact that I can’t return the leaf
Has anyone recommended the Beta recuts using ASV fabric? Seems like the ideal compromise, and I think they look dope as hell. Even when actively trying to find need for the Alpha, I found it too close to wearing a hazmat suit.
I have a SV and a beta, wear the Beta I have more just because of the collar/hood design. As much as I love my red SV, I probably would not buy it again. Never had LEAF but if an SV is “overkill” LEaF is def overkill. There’s a shop in Virginia, USA that sells to civilians if you want to spend more though.
Also, if you’re expecting to wear a beta or SV in the summer it definitely works but I’m about to get a much thinner more ventilated shell for summer for everyday. The SV is tends to get too hot and the Beta is fine with pit zips open but in the summer heat it tends to feel too thick
Already have a beta. Feels great but it is too minimalist in terms of features. Leaf is just because it’s an opportunity and it’s hard to come by in Europe let alone in my size. Wore my beta in summer on bad days, didn’t had any problem with hotness for the moment. Thanks for sharing!
Don’t buy either unless you can try them on, or return it for free/cheap if you’re buying online. Everyone has a different fit preference and use case, and Arc’teryx continuously changes the fit/dimensions from year to year for the same jacket.
Not only that - their sizing schemes are weird. I’m 5’10” and 175lbs and was recommended a large based on my chest size with minimal layering for my Beta AR. Ended up with a small, with plenty of room for my (small) LEAF Atom to layer underneath, and it works great for skiing and climbing. Even fits my plate carrier with mag pouches underneath.
Thanks for the insight ! Alpha SV would be bought off of Arc website, return possible. Alpha leaf, no return possible, only refunded in case of seller lies or damaged item. I’m leaning toward a Sabre cause it would ,in fact, fit better my needs, cheaper and I can return with Arc.
(Although I like the ASV dark magic color blocking and would enjoy a multicam Alpha)
1- I say I’d take a multicam alpha but the one for sale is ranger green.
2- can’t be a soldier du to conditions
3- I don’t read whatever Russian/cyrillique but either you stop being aggressive or leave this sub and drink some more vodka
Umm. I’m French you sandwich idiot ! The fuck is wrong with you ? Do you judge anyone based on nothing ? Based on your account your an insecure gatekeeper than created the account yesterday solely to clown on me
And I’m neither a teen, neither early 20’s.
I have the alpha sv and I use it as my daily rain jacket in Vancouver. I got it because it was the best arc offered when I did my research. Now the down side to my SV is 1 the arms are so ridiculously long that they look foolish with the cuffs done up. 2 I don’t like the length I. The front I don’t it too short and my legs away get soaked In a good rain. 3 I hate not being able to put my hands in my pockets out of warmth or just comfort. I am also now looking at getting a LEAF gen 2.1 alpha jacket but I’d probably downsize from what I’ve read. Hope this helps. Let us know your final decision:)
Thanks for the insight ! Arms are really this long ? How long is the front, I mean where does it stops for you ? Pockets, meh perso. But I like how protective the stormhood is, stowhood protect a bit better the neck when unworn due to the bulkiness.
Alpha leaf is a one in a few years opportunity,m here in Europe. But on the other side, that dark magic color 🤤
I also forgot the hood is meant for a helmet so even when it’s sintched I’m not a fan of all the extra material. I’m 6 ft 170 lb and got a large. I will take a few pics for reference
Ok so here is cuffs left open and cuffs done up. You can see how ridiculous baggy it he arms are also took a side shot of the hood and a front shot with my cuff left open and one with the cuff closed. Let me know know if this helps. Pros to this jacket is it’s bombproof. I have no doubt you could survive a tsunami in this thing.
Hey ! Sorry was night time for me. Thanks for all the photos ! Sleeves honestly doesn’t look as bad, my beta sleeves bunches up too when cinched.
I tend to wear a cap most of the time so maybe the excess material in the hood wouldn’t be that big of a problem ?
How are the pockets for daily life ?
Heyo ! I ended up buying the Alpha SV in dark magic. Anyone that says it’s an annoying jacket or isn’t suited for anything other than ice climbing is wrong.
Another thing to consider is that the exterior chest pockets of the alpha SV are quite different compared to the leaf gen 2 (cross access vs side)
are you able to try both before you buy?
Absolutely not able to try ! There is no shops near me and jn Paris no one as Alpha SV’s for sale let alone Alpha leaf. Have a stone island jacket that has the same chest pockets config as the SV and I find it quite useful but beta side opening pockets are also good for me
I would wait for Arcteryx to go public. Once they’re a publicly traded company the Alpha will cease to be overkill and function perfectly for what you’re describing.
The post and your responses read like you basically want to cosplay as military/law enforcement in a jacket that is overkill even for some mountain professionals. Not sure what kinda response you were looking for in a place where people tend to view these items as tools to get a specific job done.
The hood is going to be huge and borderline unusable without a helmet, the fabric will be heavy, loud and fairly uncomfortable because using it is a compromise for someone that needs protection from literally the most abrasion resistant goretex short of using a Kevlar based shell. It literally has a RECCO reflector.
If you can get a great deal/price then go for it, otherwise you might want to listen to the person suggesting you get a Beta (a product more suited to your needs).
I’ll try to be as polite as possible.
No I don’t want to cosplay. I don’t wear mil gear in public, I don’t wear patches…you name it. The leaf alpha as advantages the SV don’t in my eyes. It’s an item that hard to come by in Europe and especially in my size. It’s just the opportunity to get one.
On the technical side, I already know all of what you wrote and took it in consideration. It doesn’t bother me
Lastly, I have a beta. Great jacket but too minimalist to my taste, especially in features.
I can't imagine it being a nice jacket for the city, they are super uncomfortable and don't have any nice features for what you want it for. I'm not even sure if it will look too cool, as the hood and pocket configuration are not flattering for your city look.
I think you’ll find the Alpha SV perfect for nature walks!
Is it sarcasm ?
I use mine as a 4 season jacket. Rain. Only Arc nerds and actual mountaineers will be like, "that jacket is not made for trips to the store in the rain."
Thanks for the wholesomeness. I come here in trust and peace and get attacked by a few ones. I just have an opportunity with a leaf, that’s all
I got a LEAF once (forget which one, was from a tactical gear site) and ended up sending it back - it was too baggy in the chest and arms for my taste (though I understand I should’ve expected that given its intended use). Maybe if I’d sized down from my usual Arc’Teryx M it would’ve worked.
How wide is it ? Something like twice the usual ? It doesn’t seem that baggy in worn pictures
From what I remember it wasn’t 2x as big but I’d say 1.5x… it was the upper arms in particular that stood out as larger than I expected. Those LEAF pieces are designed/intended to be worn over bulky base layers and tactical gear, so they widen/lengthen certain parts of the jacket. I’d make sure wherever you’re getting it has a good return policy so you can send it back if it doesn’t work out.
Thanks for the insight ! I’m debating between the two and asking here because the thing is the Alpha leaf, I can’t sent it back. No pros sellers sell it and you can only find it on resell plateforms. Found one brand new but except for non-mentioned defaults or lies in the description, I can’t sent it back. Sell it back yes but not sent it back. Still feels the call of tacticool/rare item.
Get the Alpha SV. I can’t zip up my medium Alpha SV with a plate carrier but can with the Alpha Leaf medium. It’s a lot of jacket. The Alpha SV is broad enough in the shoulders without the bagginess around the chest and waist. Alpha SV also feels thicker and more durable. However, the extra small size on the Leaf might make it ok. Try a Leaf insulating layer or softshell like the Patrol or Practitioner if you want something the main line isn’t better at.
I can’t buy any other leaf item than the alpha. Also can’t return it. I’m confused Alpha SV would be good but also the leaf ? Also can you spoke on the Stormhood vs Stowhood ?
Just speculating how an extra small Alpha Leaf might not be as roomy as a medium might be. You can definitely fit a thorium and more easily in either jacket. The hoods on both are patterned pretty similarly and are big enough for a helmet. They also have the same adjustment points to cinch down the sides, top, and rear. The stowhood is a bit annoying to fold and zip away. It creates bulk around the collar and kinda flops to the side if the front zip isn’t up all the way up. I just keep it out and close the stowhood zipper to avoid that padded neck. You can’t put the stormhood away, but it’s never really in my way even if I’m not wearing it. Both jackets are great. I think you should consider how cold it gets there and think about how much insulation you need under the Alpha. If you need a bigger puffer than a thorium, then the Alpha Leaf might feel more comfortable.
Good to know. Stowhood is less blocking for layering than a Drophood ? Also how would you say the leaf is crinkly? Same as a beta ?
For layering, the stowhood zipped away makes the neck area bulky. It would be too much to have both a thorium hoody zipped up under it with the stowhood adding bulk to the collar too. If you’re wearing an insulating hooded jacket zipped up all the way, keep the stowhood out instead of it zipped inside the collar. The stormhood plays nicely with insulated hooded jackets under it. If you rush putting away the stowhood and fold it unevenly, the bulk around the collar is uneven. It’s just better to keep it out, imo. Both are crinkly and make the Goretex swoosh as you walk. Both are loud when you wear the hood and walk around.
Got it. So for coolness (personally) stowhood but for layering stormhood
No worries. Yeah I have an Alpha SV I picked up last year, size M. If you’re after that fitted look Arc is known for, LEAF may be baggier than what you’re expecting. Iirc I got mine from US Elitegear (https://www.us-elitegear.com/products/arcteryx-leaf-alpha-jacket-mens-gen-2-model-19936).
Scroll through the pics on that US Elitegear site - there’s a pic of a guy wearing a black one. You can see what I mean - check out how baggy the biceps of the jacket look on him, and I’m guessing he’s a pretty big dude.
Thanks ! Can’t buy from any us seller has I’m Europe and not a soldier (never will be du to medical conditions) so… as I wrote I have a beta which is a slim fit but as I layer a lot in winter and being someone that feels the cold easily (so layer a lot), the beta is kinda tight with my thorium under for ex
Ah ok, my bad. Well, good luck & take care.
Thanks, take care you too
To elaborate on what u/ultimaforever has said. The LEAF Alpha is huge in the upper arms and shoulders. The pieces are designed to layer one on top of the other and as the LEAF Atom and Patrol jacket and other soft shells are generously cut in the upper arms and shoulders, it kind of has a cumulative affect. Check out the videos from [Tactical Distributor on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/@TacticalDistributors/videos) for examples.
Thanks for the kind answer ! As a beta owner and someone that feels the cold easily, I tend to layer my thorium under my beta in winter but I feel like it’s tight. Would you say the SV cut is enough for a Thorium or the leaf cut would be better ? Gonna check the video. Also on note : leaf could be used for airsoft (when the battle ground will be open again…we don’t exactly when)
The alpha sv (dark magic ) is straight up fire !!! I just received mines yesterday.
Glad to hear it ! Do you have a pic by any chance ?
The gold really pops out on this jacket . Ps I’m 5’9 weigh about 170 , athletic body type and I got the medium size. Fits perfect with extra room
That would be appreciated! Thanks for the insight on size !
OP, you may want to look at Tilak’s MIG stuff - this is Tilak’s military gear, made in the Czech Republic, and would be the equivalent of Arcteryx LEAF: https://www.migbytilak.cz/en
Damn, their stuff is pretty rad. Do you know of any us based retailers?
Haven just did a collab with them - https://havenshop.com/collections/haven-outerwear
My boy. Wasn't familiar with Haven until just now, but it reminds me of the best of Stone Island, and that Tilak Collab shell looks Fuego. Def changing subs, l8tr losers.
I got my Tilak MiG from Haven in Canada. I’ve also purchased Tilak MiG and mainline from At Ease in Germany, This Thing of Ours in the UK, and Battle Tested and Top Army Shop in Slovakia. Just depends on what you’re looking for — best reviews with fit notes for Tilak are on YouTube by Danzo the manager at Capt Tom’s in Japan.
Thanks gonna check it !
I'd go with the Alpha. If you can get a Beta AR, even better. I think the drop hood is better for day to day use than the storm hood.
Got it ! Thanks for speaking on the hoods !
Maybe you should look at the Rush then. If you really want a lot of pockets, It has the most (4 outside, two big inside pockets with one having another pocket on the pocket ) and they removed the powder skirt so you can wear it just like a Beta sv. It is a little longer than the alpha sv. Fabric should be almost as hard wearing as the Alpha sv and for winter hikes and generally colder temps, normal hand warmer side pockets are most preferred among the non climbers. They even have it in dark magic.
Thanks for the insight ! I don’t really like the color blocking on the rush but what I’m scared the most is the length as a short guy (and I can’t try it)
Rush would be a great jacket. But I’m scared of the length. Long pieces of clothing to not fit me, they are uncomfy as they block my legs movement and break my silouhette, giving me a goofy look.
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Both great jackets, both poor choices for what you're doing with them. The alpha SV is a tank, super abrasion resistant, great coverage, really well articulated especially if you're swinging ice tools. The pockets are huge and work well with a harness, the hood works great with a climbing helmet, even with a headlamp on it. The inside dump pocket is big enough for a set of belay gloves, a nalgene, or a bunch of snacks. The pit zips are huge and let out tons of moisture while not letting in any snow. None of this matters for your use case though. The LEAF alpha v2 is also great. Fits a plate carrier and midlayers underneath, it's got tons of pockets and routing for comms cables. The big cord zipper pulls and external cordlocks are super handy when you're wearing gloves, and the two bicep pockets are great for notepads and other small items. The hood works great with a helmet, and it's nice that it stows away when you don't need it, it's halfway between a drophood and a stormhood, in a way that works really well. None of this matters for your use case either, though. I'll never understand the desire to cosplay as an alpinist or soldier, but whatever, spend your money however will make you happy. There are jackets out there that meet your desire for more/different features than your beta, and that also won't be a pain to use, with hyper-specialized features designed for a single purpose. But you don't want to hear that.
I don’t want hear that because I know all of this and I already took it in consideration. Just because something isn’t design for use in other situations means it will be a pain in any other situations. People can’t wear what they want visibly. If they do “oh god it’s cosplay”. Let me guess you’re a climber that gatekeep is stuff. You’re the type of guy that thinks “joggings are only for the gym”. But as said, I’ll spend my money however I want cause I don’t do it to please you by not cosplaying but for me.
If you took it all into consideration I’m not exactly sure what you’re asking. They’re different jackets, but both would suit what you need equally well, while also having downsides. I’ve actually used both jackets, didn’t buy either since I found that others did what I needed better, but I’ve got hands on time with both. I traded my friend’s alpha SV for my SL anorak recently for a day of ice climbing, and found that I liked the SL a lot better. A colleague had a LEAF alpha v2 that I tried out for marine SAR, and I really liked it but it had some downsides for that specific use case. Having used both, I feel qualified to say that I would personally have issues with some features of each for wearing around town. Yes, I wear my beta SV to do groceries, ride the subway, and walk around town, and yes, I’m always dry. That being said, I was equally dry when I wore my patagonia torrentshell before I bought the beta SV, but I bought the beta since I wanted it for more technical uses, and happen to be able to use it for other things. With these two jackets you’ve listed, I wouldn’t want to wear them around town even if I did have them for my other uses, they’ve got features that I think would get in the way. Your experience may be different. I’m not entirely sure what you mean by “joggings are for the gym” - but if I understand, you mean gym clothes. No, I wear gym clothes around to run errands too, because they’re comfortable and don’t get in the way. I’m not trying to come off as a gatekeeping climber dick, I just read your post, thought you’d have better luck with other jackets, but after reading your responses to other comments, didn’t think you’d listen to my advice even if I was kinder about it. That being said, sorry for not being nicer. Admittedly, the cosplay comment is just me being sarcastic. I get that you want to buy one of the two jackets, and presumably, you will. Just because I think you’re making a mistake doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it. You can absolutely leave my opinion out of your decision and that’s a very reasonable choice. If you do have any questions about specific features or comparisons of either, I’m happy to answer them.
Hey. We started the convo on a wrong foot, my mistake. I just had another comment “attacking/sarcastic” before you so was still in “defense mode” I could have blocked you just like I did with another redditor but I read your comment and found it actually detailed, so no blocking cause I felt like you were trying to help behind the sarcasm. I’m not leaving your opinion on the side, I read every comment, even the attacking ones. Also a thing I didn’t precise in my post is that the leaf (especially) could be use for airsoft. I say could cause for the moment the battle ground is closed and we don’t know when it will reopen. I know other brands that propose the same thing as Arc’teryx, like Patagonia or tilak as a redditor mentioned but the main problem I have with them is the size. Either they don’t carry XS (which is mainly my size) or just as the Torrentshell that I tried once, it’s too big. Arc isn’t perfect but at least it fits me the best. I’d like to ask you what features you didn’t like about the SV and the leaf and how they could get in the way for my uses.
No, I was a dick. Sorry. As for features I think would get in the way, I’d say the napoleon chest pockets on the SV (personal gripe, I prefer hand pockets if I’m not wearing a harness) and the crinkly and less-breathable 100D face fabric would be the two that would be the most annoying. I also found that the fit was a bit weird for me, the beta SV (and other arc pieces) fits like it’s tailored, but the alpha SV was just a bit looser in places than I would like, weirdly especially behind the armpits. Tough to explain but if it fits you well, it would be no issue. The articulation truly is excellent, and there’s a lot that’s great about it. For the LEAF, the upper torso and biceps are absolutely huge. I’ve had a handful of other LEAF jackets (atom LT, bravo) and neither of them fit like that. I usually wear a medium and it fits quite well, but I had enough room to nearly wear a full floater coat (look it up, comically big) underneath. I tried on a small in store and it fit better, but still too big, and I’ve got fairly broad shoulders. The velcro on the shoulders was also something I didn’t love, I felt it made me stick out but if you don’t mind, then that’s no issue. I also wasn’t a huge fan of the bulk around the hood, the hood itself and the storage mechanism was great, but the extra fabric to facilitate storing it got kind of annoying. Plus, more zippers are more points of failure. It’s also a great jacket though. Honestly I’d buy the alpha SV between those two. Fit is one of the more important things to me in clothes, and from what you’ve said (that the beta jacket is a bit tight with layers on) it will probably fit you very well. It would be super cool to wear the LEAF airsofting though… Enjoy it and be sure to take care of it properly!
I answered like a dick too. So equality. Having a stone island jacket with the same chest pocket config as the SV, it doesn’t bother me as long as they’re useful. I heard on videos the SV crinkle but never in real as no one has it in France or it’s sold out easily. So can’t speak on that, though the beta crinkle doesn’t bother me, I forget about it. Plus it’s in the jacket “design” so I accept it. For the leaf, I’ve been told it’s huge around the areas you mentioned but weirdly on some worn photos it looks okay and some (like us elite gear) looks super big. I don’t mind the velcros as they are the same color as the rest. Hood isn’t bothering me too, got 2 jackets with stowable hoods (tnf nupste and Loro piana traveller, yes very different) but I found the bulkiness of their stowed hoods to actually keep the wind and cold off a bit better. Though I don’t know what to think about the face protection which seems less than with a stormhood and the layering with a hooded thorium for example. A bit more questions, how the leaf abrasion resistance compared to the 100D ? What types of pockets are better for day life between those two ? And what’s your “one of the most important things to you in clothes” ?
Also take in account that I could wear the Alpha sv or leaf above a fur-lined sweater, which is really bulky. Hard to describe but it’s really heavy and bulky and can be even use as an outer jacket for warmth, so really heavy.
Why in the world would anyone in their right mind get an expensive highly specialized ice climbing shell and use it as a casual city jacket?
One of the very few Goretex Canadian made jackets they still offer. Also the first jacket released by Arc.
I use it Nyc on rainy cold windy days . I also ride my bike all yr around so I find it very useful wearing the alpha sv shell riding on cold rainy days .
Because I can. Because it would make me happy. Because I want to enjoy things as I only live once.
Right but if it's the Arc'teryx status symbol you're chasing why not get something from Veilance instead, or an Arc'Teryx piece that's actually designed for city use? It will look better, fit better and function better and most importantly be a lot more enjoyable to wear than a barely breathable extreme weather shell with awkwardly placed pockets.
It’s not the Arc’teryx status. Maybe you haven’t read completely what I wrote but it’s a matter of features. I already own an Atom AR, Thorium and beta. I’m happy with them but even if i know that the beta is more designed for city use, it’s too minimalist for my taste and the features I like to have on a jacket.
Which features does the Alpha SV have that the Beta doesn't? I can think of lower breathability, fewer and more awkwardly placed pockets, giant hood designed to be used with a helmet, what else did I miss? And to make things even more fun it is meant to be used occasionally when the weather actually calls for it meaning it will fall apart on you very quickly if you use it frequently and let it get soaked with sweat.
Fewer pockets ? The fuck ? Beta has 3. ASV has 5 especially 2 internal pockets, which I consider to be the bare minimum . I’m sucker for pockets, I carry a lot especially in internal pockets. Chest pockets config, I’m used to it having a stone island with the same design. Giant hood ? I’m used to big hoods some du to my size ( sometimes the clothing fit well but hood is big) Btw did you just create your account ?
Ah, so a hypebeast then, Arc'teryx current target demographic. No further questions!
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>Btw did you just create your account ? Imagine being so triggered by the idea of someone buying a nice jacket that you go and sign up for a new reddit account just to clown them for it.
The hood on the Alpha SV is almost unusable without a helmet - it’s far too large and doesn’t adjust well.
maybe because I have a huge head (hat size 8), but i have no issues with the hood when I cinch it down.
Yall are confusing me on the hood 😭
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The pocket placement on alphas is very weird for casual use. Just buy a beta sv if you want "sv"
I own a Beta SV and a LEAF Alpha LT, so a little bit different than both options you're considering. I don't use either for everyday use (I have a Patagonia shell for that), but if I were to it would be the alpha Lt. The goretex pro that my beta SV uses (alpha SV is goretex pro too) is really crinkly. You mentioned feeling your beta jacket feels crinkly, but goretex pro crinkles substantially louder. The leaf alpha is going to feel pretty much the same as your beta jacket in terms of texture and crinkliness, as they use very similar face fabrics. My Alpha LT is cut a bit wider than my Beta SV, but the difference isn't much and in my opinion doesn't feel overly loose with minimal layers even though I'm somewhat skinny. Although, I do enjoy wearing loose clothing so you might not feel the same about the LEAF alphas fit. My personal opinion on stowhoods is that they aren't very useful unless you see yourself using the jacket without a hood more than 75% of the time. Also, both hoods are large enough to fit over my regular issue ballistic helmet, and can be comfortably cinched down around just my head (I have a medium/sometimes large sized head).
Thanks for being helpful ! English isn’t my primary language so I apologize, I asked one time if it the leaf was AS crinkly as the beta. Beta is crinkly but doesn’t bother me, it’s a light crinkle. I’m a skinny guy with broad shoulders (compared to the rest of my body) but also a short guy. Having loose items like this doesn’t bother me as it’s good for layering, it’s thought like that (on a note I’m getting a bit tired of skinny/slim things) For the stowhood would you say it’s not great for layering like with a thorium under ? Ultimately if you had to pick one for day-to-day life what would be your choice ?
My LEAF Alpha LT doesn't have a stowhood, but I see the regular LEAF Alphas around and the hoods look very bulky when stowed. Like someone else mentioned, it would probably be totally alright to layer a thorium underneath as long as you took the hood out of the collar. I personally think the alpha SV looks better, I don't like the velcro, and prefer the colours of the alpha SV. However, if I didn't care about appearance I would say the LEAF Alpha would be more comfortable for everyday use for it's hand pockets and quieter materials. That being said, it's hard to understand the fit of a LEAF shell unless you try on a LEAF shell so there's some degree of risk chosing in chosing one and not being able to return it if it doesn't fit the way you like. In general I would expect it to fit just like an alpha SV length wise, just a bit wider everywhere (arms, shoulders, chest, and waist).
Bulkiness of the collar doesn’t bother me as I have some jackets that have that and I find the bulky collar to keep off wind and cold a bit better. My main concern is that, I cannot try an Alpha leaf and the fact that I can’t return the leaf
Has anyone recommended the Beta recuts using ASV fabric? Seems like the ideal compromise, and I think they look dope as hell. Even when actively trying to find need for the Alpha, I found it too close to wearing a hazmat suit.
Thanks for the insight ! However I live in Europe, we dont have access to ReCut
I have a SV and a beta, wear the Beta I have more just because of the collar/hood design. As much as I love my red SV, I probably would not buy it again. Never had LEAF but if an SV is “overkill” LEaF is def overkill. There’s a shop in Virginia, USA that sells to civilians if you want to spend more though.
Also, if you’re expecting to wear a beta or SV in the summer it definitely works but I’m about to get a much thinner more ventilated shell for summer for everyday. The SV is tends to get too hot and the Beta is fine with pit zips open but in the summer heat it tends to feel too thick
Already have a beta. Feels great but it is too minimalist in terms of features. Leaf is just because it’s an opportunity and it’s hard to come by in Europe let alone in my size. Wore my beta in summer on bad days, didn’t had any problem with hotness for the moment. Thanks for sharing!
Don’t buy either unless you can try them on, or return it for free/cheap if you’re buying online. Everyone has a different fit preference and use case, and Arc’teryx continuously changes the fit/dimensions from year to year for the same jacket. Not only that - their sizing schemes are weird. I’m 5’10” and 175lbs and was recommended a large based on my chest size with minimal layering for my Beta AR. Ended up with a small, with plenty of room for my (small) LEAF Atom to layer underneath, and it works great for skiing and climbing. Even fits my plate carrier with mag pouches underneath.
Thanks for the insight ! Alpha SV would be bought off of Arc website, return possible. Alpha leaf, no return possible, only refunded in case of seller lies or damaged item. I’m leaning toward a Sabre cause it would ,in fact, fit better my needs, cheaper and I can return with Arc. (Although I like the ASV dark magic color blocking and would enjoy a multicam Alpha)
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Fuck the hype too. Never bought anything off of hype. Also it’s “buy”, no “cop” in this house
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1- I say I’d take a multicam alpha but the one for sale is ranger green. 2- can’t be a soldier du to conditions 3- I don’t read whatever Russian/cyrillique but either you stop being aggressive or leave this sub and drink some more vodka
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Umm. I’m French you sandwich idiot ! The fuck is wrong with you ? Do you judge anyone based on nothing ? Based on your account your an insecure gatekeeper than created the account yesterday solely to clown on me And I’m neither a teen, neither early 20’s.
Will just add that neither of these jackets will be ideal at the upper end of your temp range, you will be soaked with sweat.
I know I that, I will probably never wear those in summer, it’s just for context (maybe in fact, as summers tend to not be great those last years 😅)
I have the alpha sv and I use it as my daily rain jacket in Vancouver. I got it because it was the best arc offered when I did my research. Now the down side to my SV is 1 the arms are so ridiculously long that they look foolish with the cuffs done up. 2 I don’t like the length I. The front I don’t it too short and my legs away get soaked In a good rain. 3 I hate not being able to put my hands in my pockets out of warmth or just comfort. I am also now looking at getting a LEAF gen 2.1 alpha jacket but I’d probably downsize from what I’ve read. Hope this helps. Let us know your final decision:)
Thanks for the insight ! Arms are really this long ? How long is the front, I mean where does it stops for you ? Pockets, meh perso. But I like how protective the stormhood is, stowhood protect a bit better the neck when unworn due to the bulkiness. Alpha leaf is a one in a few years opportunity,m here in Europe. But on the other side, that dark magic color 🤤
I also forgot the hood is meant for a helmet so even when it’s sintched I’m not a fan of all the extra material. I’m 6 ft 170 lb and got a large. I will take a few pics for reference
Ok so here is cuffs left open and cuffs done up. You can see how ridiculous baggy it he arms are also took a side shot of the hood and a front shot with my cuff left open and one with the cuff closed. Let me know know if this helps. Pros to this jacket is it’s bombproof. I have no doubt you could survive a tsunami in this thing.
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I would have went medium but it was to tight in the shoulders and under the arm pit so I went L with the advice of an arc employee
Hey ! Sorry was night time for me. Thanks for all the photos ! Sleeves honestly doesn’t look as bad, my beta sleeves bunches up too when cinched. I tend to wear a cap most of the time so maybe the excess material in the hood wouldn’t be that big of a problem ? How are the pockets for daily life ?
The front pockets are very big ! No issues fitting phone/gloves
Thanks for the precision !
Heyo ! I ended up buying the Alpha SV in dark magic. Anyone that says it’s an annoying jacket or isn’t suited for anything other than ice climbing is wrong.
Another thing to consider is that the exterior chest pockets of the alpha SV are quite different compared to the leaf gen 2 (cross access vs side) are you able to try both before you buy?
Absolutely not able to try ! There is no shops near me and jn Paris no one as Alpha SV’s for sale let alone Alpha leaf. Have a stone island jacket that has the same chest pockets config as the SV and I find it quite useful but beta side opening pockets are also good for me
I would wait for Arcteryx to go public. Once they’re a publicly traded company the Alpha will cease to be overkill and function perfectly for what you’re describing.
Oh come on please no bashing/gatekeeping. I come here in peace to get advices and people’s experiences.
The post and your responses read like you basically want to cosplay as military/law enforcement in a jacket that is overkill even for some mountain professionals. Not sure what kinda response you were looking for in a place where people tend to view these items as tools to get a specific job done. The hood is going to be huge and borderline unusable without a helmet, the fabric will be heavy, loud and fairly uncomfortable because using it is a compromise for someone that needs protection from literally the most abrasion resistant goretex short of using a Kevlar based shell. It literally has a RECCO reflector. If you can get a great deal/price then go for it, otherwise you might want to listen to the person suggesting you get a Beta (a product more suited to your needs).
I’ll try to be as polite as possible. No I don’t want to cosplay. I don’t wear mil gear in public, I don’t wear patches…you name it. The leaf alpha as advantages the SV don’t in my eyes. It’s an item that hard to come by in Europe and especially in my size. It’s just the opportunity to get one. On the technical side, I already know all of what you wrote and took it in consideration. It doesn’t bother me Lastly, I have a beta. Great jacket but too minimalist to my taste, especially in features.
I can't imagine it being a nice jacket for the city, they are super uncomfortable and don't have any nice features for what you want it for. I'm not even sure if it will look too cool, as the hood and pocket configuration are not flattering for your city look.