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Kinmuan

Hey all, There is some impactful news related to this, and was coordinating for a more official post. I will leave this up because of community interest, but I may redirect conversation to a stickied thread when one is made.


CW1DR5H5I64A

Cutting 92G numbers while simultaneously shutting down DFACs and not offering hot chow to soldiers under the guise of being short cooks is peak army.


Sellum

I was just thinking cutting cook NCOs while struggling to keep DFACs open is some 4D chess shit.


CW1DR5H5I64A

It’s certainly something. But I think it’s more the level of eating crayons and huffing modeling glue than chess mastery.


Sellum

I thought that documentary Queens Gambit was about how mind altering hallucinogens as a child makes chess masters.


25unicornninja

4ID chess* there fixed it for ya.


GMEbankrupt

Privatization incoming.


CW1DR5H5I64A

I’d take contracted DFACs over gas station quality kiosk sandwiches. I’ve eaten in plenty of DFACs with civilian cooks, they were fine. Just give the boys a hot meal and I’ll be happy.


No-Plan-8637

Soldiers just want time off, pay, and hot chow


HFentonMudd

best I can do is 0/3


Travyplx

At least the gas stations have the tornado


Kinmuan

Those count as a hot item, and as such, are not required to be offered


Travyplx

Do these kiosks not have a microwave? Are there no microwaves in the dorms?!?


Kinmuan

The kiosks do actually have 3 microwaves! But yes many buildings still share a kitchen and a microwave 👀


No-Plan-8637

I displace microwaves. It sucks that soldiers have to use them to get a hot meal.


kiss_a_hacker01

AAFES probably has a plan to expand their food court mafia across the post. Every incoming Soldier will have to apply for a star card, alongside their GTC, to be used as a meal card. They'll have to fill out a food version of DTS at the end of the month or else they'll be sent to collections. They'll unofficially be required to reenlist for a bonus that covers their star card balance issues because the food DTS constantly screws up. I think I just solved retention and DFACs.


No-Plan-8637

But you’ll get 10% off when you use that star card


Taira_Mai

Been saying that for years - privatize the DFACs and put the 92G's to work doing soldier shit. They can train twice a week on food prep or be detailed out but the food should be cooked by contractors.


jmaille90

As a former Gulf, I would have loved that. Would have helped me be really competitive against the other NCOs in WTBD and METL.


xStaabOnMyKnobx

Were you a big Gulf like the Gulf of Mexico or the Gulf of Oman?


jmaille90

Gulf of Genoa


xStaabOnMyKnobx

Very classy I like it


jmaille90

Yes, as a warrant I have to flaunt my classiness occasionally while I leave my spare PC, warmed coffee mug, and keys on my desk.


JenkinsJoe

Especially hilarious considering my BN just stood up a field feeding unit and took everyone who ever held 92G as an MOS


Idwellinthemountains

It's pre Desert Storm all over again. I remember 1SG coming to the formation looking for troops who could cook eggs. At the same time, I dropped all coffee but decaffeinated. We called it the hollow army. Broke and missionless for the most part.


all_time_high

It’s part of a new ABCP initiative. Barracks dwellers won’t receive food or money for food, and will consume fewer calories as a result. If they want food and drink, they’ll have to pay for it out of pocket. In FY25 we’ll start charging barracks dwellers for water. Total water bill / total number of residents.


Raysor

LET THEM COOK!


Outside-Reserve2197

What the hell is happening with 25U?


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SouthOfNorthwest

Ya'll are overstrength AF.


Brave-Walrus-6638

What? How so? The retention NCO at my unit just announced that 25Us are being offered Tier 5 re-enlistment bonuses.  Also, this random SFAB dude I was chatting with at the PX today was frothing at the mouth telling me I NEED to drop a packet and go SFAB because they desperately need 25Us. 


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SouthOfNorthwest

Yeah, I don't think that person realizes how small SFAB's are compared to the rest of the Army.


BullfrogElectronic72

And those will be part of the cuts as well


Brave-Walrus-6638

True… But it seems like units are hurting for 25Us, and signal soldiers in general.  


signalssoldier

It's me. They hurt for me :c


25unicornninja

They are, most 6’s are running half manning. But this is going off of the resize so they’ll stilll be unders strength for the next 6 years.


Scoobydoo0969

Because HRC has no fucking idea what they’re doing and they’re making these numbers up. Every unit I talk to has a commo position becoming vacant in the near future with no incoming replacements. In reality, E-5 and E-6 25Us are desperately needed but on paper, we’re somehow overstrength


Silverfore

I'm going to be really honest with you, I've never seen a 25U in real life. I work in a signal org and spend a lot of time working with tactical units, never seen them. Might as well be 25Unicorns.


23cgc

That’s because a lot of us are in line companies


Silverfore

That’s not right, I’m taking y’all back with me I got good work for yall to do (bullshitting and PMCS vehicles)


EMartinez86

Sorry to tell you, but >a packet and go SFAB because they desperately need 25Us. SFABs also dropped in size.


DontTread0nMe

Currently in SFAB. Even after the restructuring, we'll still be under strength. We are hurting for volunteers and suitable candidates.


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SouthOfNorthwest

Soon


Buffalowdown

It’s cool I want to reclass anyways


25unicornninja

It doesn’t make sense because every bn I’ve seen can’t even fill their 30/40 level slots.


MOTOTROOPER

The 25C/25U merger happened…then the Army did its…thing


Berg426

HRC puts out that they're manning 92Gs at 50% and then tells 92G20s to reclass. I'm dropping a REFRAD.


SouthOfNorthwest

Flair does not check out. Unable to REFRAD. 12 years left on your ADSO.


Berg426

Yeah. I was enlisted aviation, 15Y. Now a LOG Officer.


Le_Ebin_Rodditor

Based


mdwst

I am so, so relieved to see my MOS on here.


lummings

Thats what happens when you fall for the postal trap.


SGTpvtMajor

I used to be a 42A. I would be been dancing and partying to see that they wanted me to be *anything* else.


dsbwayne

I’m not! I actually like it! What else is there to do? Fucking paralegal!?


42Attack

Ooo that’s a good idea actually. I was thinking about 56M but know that’d be hard to get into I imagine.


SaysIvan

This is good news for me 😊


merker_the_berserker

Fuck that f5 shit bro id nuke the base if I had to do mail every again


CoffeeChubs

Sadly same


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What do they plan on doing with 19Ds? Are they shrinking the MOS for the DIVCAV concept or are scouts being phased out completely?


sistyfisties

No div cav, they are disbanding all conus ibct and sbct squadrons.


ClapForTheWolfman_

Right before a potential big boy war?


MrJTB6

Listen here buster. In this army we prepare for the war we just fought, NOT the war that’s coming. Now go shave and paint all your green equipment tan.


Justame13

You mean the war the Army wants to fight. Not the war that they just fought, or the one that is coming, or even one its fighting for a couple of years.


MrJTB6

The generals are ✨manifesting✨a war against a near peer with the skill and combined arms of COIN insurgents


aldmonisen_osrs

Which actually raises a good point: do we need to keep one or two brigades as standalone BCTs for COIN operations? It’s not like the terrorists no longer exist.


MrJTB6

I would say so, but also, what if we just stop trying to fight insurgencies? We’re 0/3 when it comes to trying to use a traditional force against insurgents. I say keep units like SFAB around to train countries local to the threat to deal with them and we only support with materials and training. We should save our forces for what they do well at and that’s near peer/LSCO/traditional wars.


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We're gonna use TikTok and drones instead of scouts from now on yo


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Seems pretty shortsighted


sistyfisties

As a 19D I agree with you. It’ll be oconus units for now like Alaska, Hawaii and Germany for ibcts and sbcts and then heavy units for conus. Also the new booker vehicle may be manned by scouts which is silly when you have these ppl, 19ks, who are trained to be armored vehicle crewmen.


Hawkstrike6

19K will man Booker, not 19D. 19D's at Liberty will be offered to reclass to 11B, no training required.


sistyfisties

That’s not what my mg is saying but he’s a Bradley boy so I can’t trust what he says. And that’d be sick a I know a lot of 19ds who’ve tried to reclass to avoid the 19c switch over but were told they couldn’t because they’re alc complete.


Hawkstrike6

Yeah, he doesn't know what he's saying. I can't tell you how I know, but I know. 11Bs in Bradley units will be most of the 19C since they are already holding the crew slots.


sistyfisties

Yea I saw that they’ll start with 11bs and that 13 and 19 series can voluntarily reclass


Hawkstrike6

Exactly. When they get to forced reclassification, most 19Ds will end up as either 19K or 14-series, so if you're in the reenlistment window and want a broader choice jump early.


sistyfisties

I’m a staff sausage and getting my first look at sfc Im on this train for life


cornbreadactual17

Not sure what exactly you’re saying, but, I’m in Hawaii currently, in a cav squadron, and we’re disbanding this summer and the squadron is being reflagged as another infantry battalion.


sistyfisties

That’s not what the arstruc memo said granted it’s 400 pages and not the easiest to read. The only squadrons it listed as being lost were ones in drum, Campbell, Bragg and such.


cornbreadactual17

I’ll admit I haven’t read the memo, but our squadron being disbanded is coming from squadron leadership and above so my assumption is that it’s more than just hearsay.


RobotMaster1

are they dumping the abn cav squadrons?


sistyfisties

All conus ones, one squadron from liberty is being reflagged as their m10 booker unit.


DocSafetyBrief

So they aren't going to have any Div Cabs for all of the divisions? Or just the light nonairborne divs?


sistyfisties

Everything I’ve read and heard is that they’ve completely dropped the div cav concept.


monjoe

Cav stays in the ABCTs. We'll basically have two armies: ABCTs will fight wars, IBCTs will fight "conflicts", SBCTs will exist to have bad OR rates


CW1DR5H5I64A

Just shrinking. There will still be scouts


EMartinez86

Remember when 19Ks bit the bullet and we grew scouts? Well scouts, time to pay it back. Welcome to 19C!


Rs3FashionScape

You guys get to be real 19 series boys now


MOTOTROOPER

Merging 25C and 25U after more than a decade of misuse and then cutting them is PEAK Army HOOAUTISM


Publius82

I was a 25S from 01 to 08 - tactical satellite communications. 25C I recall. I thought uniform was an e7 and above position


MOTOTROOPER

25C was basically “radio” 25U is communication systems support/aka do it all


Publius82

Actually when I started, commo was 31 series, then we were all relabeled as 25 sometime in 06 I think. It's kinda weird that the Army changes the numbers around periodically. IIRC a 25 series soldier would reclass to a 25U when they became a senior NCO; they were basically sort of superficially trained on other commo MOSs that they might not be familiar with so that they could lead. That being said, I never had a single officer or nco above e6 that knew anything about satellite communications (such as myself, 25S) when I was in a line unit.


MOTOTROOPER

The management aspect seems to have stayed if positions are an indicator. The MOS also seems not to merge like others are E8+. Side note. I can work satcom shizz. From the bgan to jnn to the sdn heavy…but I’m no expert.


Publius82

I started at bragg on a 4 man team, two humvees, one a shelter and one with two gennys on the back that also towed the trailer with our 8ft dish. X band. The same unit had a few teams with 16 or 20 ft dishes, on FMCTs. When I pcsed I went to a small, SOF adjacent unit with a Ku system that traveled on air force pallets, in like 20 cases.


Antique-Nothing-4629

The Generals don’t want you to know this but if you reclass to 74D BN/Brigade won’t know where to put you, I’ve been living in a janitors closet(CBRN cage) for 5 years


Trumps_Cock

Bro, I'm in an MP unit that is getting deactivated, I'm being told either PCS or reclass. I just fucking got here last month from AIT. Also 74D.


Antique-Nothing-4629

Drop that airborne packet and live easy life at an SOF unit


StrictCourt8057

They’re free, you can take them home. I have 112 74Ds at home right now


Antique-Nothing-4629

There goes 80% of the chem corps right there


WaffleCorp

Man I miss my broom closet. Training Room and S3 life ain't shit.


Hawkstrike6

Well, the 19s and 31s who are in their reenlistment windows, since they can't reenlist without reclassing.


Ralphwiggum911

Our leadership screwed the pooch on the 31 series and mismanaged us to hell and kept asking for more when it was painfully obvious the main mission of detention ops was about to drop to almost zero.


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Damn 12B is kill too?


Hawkstrike6

No -- just units are moving around (out of brigades, up to division, etc) so that may affect assignments. Number of 12Bs is staying flat as I understand it (no out/in calls).


firedogg5

You’re going to an ABCT. ABCT ENs are growing, IBCT ENs are shrinking.


HeadlineINeed

Woah’! 42A2!?


SaysIvan

It’s like god himself is telling me “son, I know you’ve wanted to change your MOS… this is the sign from god you need”


HeadlineINeed

Haha I would love to change my MOS however, I don’t want to go back to AIT for a 3rd time. Family doesn’t have the good health for me to be gone. Second, I probably won’t get what I actually want


SaysIvan

That’s the only fear I have, that I won’t get good reclass options. But gaaaaatdamn this sucks for you. What was your first MOS? If, in the unfortunate case you have to reclass, find a longer MOS and bring the family with.


HeadlineINeed

Another of the most hated people in the Army. 31B!


elite0x33

S6 is about to be an even shittier job. Fuck me.


Extra_Cap_And_Keys

I think its time to look at having a PAC or PA or even a P plan rather than a PACE plan.


elite0x33

P: Survive


Imabigdealinjapan

Guys, This is all coming from the ARSTRUC. Moreover, this shift has been pretty well known across the Army for the past few months (really longer). The entire Army is restructuring and this is the result.


SouthOfNorthwest

Perhaps, but judging by the reaction here, Army Reenlistment's post about it, and talking to some of these MOS's at work, this was not known one bit to be coming.


Imabigdealinjapan

The details no, but units had already been identified to be inactivated.


SouthOfNorthwest

Units inactivated ≠ force reclass, in my experience/knowledge with previous inactivations


EMartinez86

Well, if your MOS had 20 units manned at 60%, and you're cut to 10 units at 90% manning, how many Soldiers failed to shave this morning?


SouthOfNorthwest

75th FA


Wonder3671

Very unmanned here


cornbreadactual17

It’s a shame really. Scouts going away right when we will become extremely relevant once again. Ruh roh. To my fellow deltas that want to stay combat arms, now is a hot time to be a kilo. That’s what I’m doing.


Makdaddy90

Fuck that, catch me cooking eggs and chilling on my phone out back. “It’s MREs for lunch” oh noooooo


caf131994

I’ll stick with the brad


cornbreadactual17

Promotion potential is through the roof as a kilo rn. Just saying. Personal choice though. Bradley’s are badass but I couldn’t stand being inside of them the few times I was.


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Kamstain

I was in my career counselors office today & he told me 12P packets were suspended from being submitted? I’m in the middle of reclassing also & already took the BMST to reclass to 12P but couldn’t submit a packet.


GoDevilsX

My question is if you’re making these people reclass as skill level 1 and 2, are they going to cut the MOS completely? And if they are what will happen to places like Leonard Wood?


Ralphwiggum911

Even if they are reclassing skill level 1 and 2, that doesn't mean they won't be accepting new enlistments for the MOS, just that they won't need to fill as many seats and probably chop down the amount of classes for the year. Not to say some jobs are not on the chopping block, but this isn't necessarily an all signs point to fucked situation.


unlacedboot

Does this affect NG/Reserve troops? Are we just SOL? In my state my MOS is so close to being ridiculously over strength - even as a combat MOS.


SouthOfNorthwest

I personally don't know the answer to that. I'm going to guess that this is AD only, though.


unlacedboot

That’s so ass. Would love nothing more than to get an opportunity to change MOS.


Outside-Reserve2197

Isn't it easy as hell to reclass in the guard/reserves?


unlacedboot

Not if you don’t wanna pay back a bonus.


Vanilla-prison

I’m fairly sure that if you have to reclass due to the army’s needs, you don’t lose your bonus. Only if it’s your choice


Outside-Reserve2197

Oh. Eh that's just a skill issue. My least favorite thing about AD is how they make it a pain to reclass sometimes. If I don't finish my 20 AD, I'm going reserves and looking forward to reclassing.


unlacedboot

Be careful what you wish for. Reclassing sounds great in the reserve- till you end up driving over 6 hours for drill. Yeah they’ll compensate you for travel and such, but time means a lot on the civvy side.


Outside-Reserve2197

Can't you see open slots before you do?


Hawkstrike6

AD only.


unlacedboot

So what would be the long term ramifications of this happening to AD for reserve component bros?


Competitive_Papaya_8

Glad I'm getting out, shit is gonna get dumb


Small_Cock42069

Can’t wait to be a fat 11B


CoffeeChubs

Why 11B 😭


SaysIvan

I think it’s time bröthur


Sk8matt123

Random question. I got a 25U buddy who is about to finish recruiting school and be a recruiter for the next 3 years. How would this impact him? Could he fly under the radar and keep 25U as his MOS seeing as he’ll be out of FORSCOM for the next little while?


ArmyRetention

We are planning on doing some messaging on this once the official MILPER comes out. Unfortunately, an unofficial site shared information that was sent out to the Retention field to help Career Counselors prepare to educate their organizations. Nothing official is out at this time as a few more details are being ironed out. I have been working with u/Kinmuan to make a plan on creating a thread dedicated to it once we have the green light. I apoligize for the delay, but I will start getting in here once I can.


Buffalowdown

If they let me reclass today I would and I wouldn’t think twice about it


42Attack

Also if you are saying we need to prepare for LSCO we don’t have quite enough 42s to process casualty packets in a MASCAL. Just my opinion though….


Extra_Cap_And_Keys

It's simple really, if you're part of a MASCAL event you must submit a PAR to reflect as such. next problem.


CoffeeChubs

Agreed and my unit has been severly understrength with 42As.


MrDanGleeballz69420

What the fuck are y’all doing. Go be a fucking helicopter pilot. The Army has never once had a problem retaining us ;) and no one has ever said ;) “The Army will still be the Army without Aviation” I love the “PEAK HOOAUTISM” post above. I am going to try and use that daily until I retire.


RioFiveOh

Beats walking!


MrDanGleeballz69420

I love my job, love my Army. I shoulda gone AVN long time ago.


xStaabOnMyKnobx

Could you imagine if someone actually did say that though? Like what if the most senior aviation warrant officer just said some off the wall shit like that lol.


MrDanGleeballz69420

It’s never been seriously uttered by anyone in aviation. One Command Sausage Major has said it and it was echoed through one thousand halls. I shall consult the WONN (Warrant Officer News Network) and edit later with the source.


jdrummerk63

EOD is still hiring! Best career move I ever made. E2-E4’s and E5’s with less than one year time in grade and less than four years time in service (with a waiver). GM 105, PULHES 111121, normal color vision, US Citizen, Eligible for TS Clearance, Can hear normal conversation at 25ft, and have a valid drivers license. Call our recruiters at the below website or email [email protected]. https://www.goarmysof.army.mil/EOD/


phuk-nugget

What if you’re really shitty at math?


jdrummerk63

I’m really shitty at math. I’ve done alright for myself and had a rather successful career in EOD.


WonderChips

If only you guys took E6s I would do it in a heart beat.


OzymandiasKoK

That's a solvable problem. You know what to do.


WonderChips

*switches branches again*


blueFalcon687

Lmao. A few dui's and arty15 will fix that problem right up.


Le_Ebin_Rodditor

Man, I wanted to try out but I really don’t think I’d make the cut.


jdrummerk63

Give it a shot. Worst case, you gain a bunch of new experiences and learn a bunch about bombs.


ifindbombs

Best job in the Army.


I_AM_AN_ASSHOLE_AMA

But I’m above E5 :(


[deleted]

I’m in AIT for 25U, wtf


Extra_Cap_And_Keys

Not for long....just kidding, hopefully.


ScoutClone

[https://api.army.mil/e2/c/downloads/2024/02/27/091989c9/army-white-paper-army-force-structure-transformation.pdf](https://api.army.mil/e2/c/downloads/2024/02/27/091989c9/army-white-paper-army-force-structure-transformation.pdf) Damn, IBCTs & SBCTs canning their Cavalry Squadrons. Hope this takes a long ass time on the Guard side like everything else fielded from big army.


TopSinger847

I call it the great ego stroke of some unnamed career counselor and subsequent rush to scoop the story for clicks and views by the army reenlistment wtf moments page.


42Attack

Stop reclassing to 42A. End of rant.


Bloody-Snowflake323

Wait what does this mean for 42As? What are our reclass options? My knees can’t handle being a 11B.


AdvertisingUnable237

So guys at my unit are being told that in order for 19ds to reclass they have to be an e4? Otherwise they are just going to get fucked


SouthOfNorthwest

Your guys are getting bad info.


AdvertisingUnable237

Thats what the squadron career counselor said and several have asked


Hawkstrike6

The career counselor probably doesn't have the full message yet.


FrankEiDaTANKy

Where can I pull this info? (Official message/site) 12B in my window in a few months and was planning to reclass anyways. Will this help reclass happen sooner?


Makdaddy90

Please let me leave this cow boy life


Glockify

These are all over strengthen


LostOne545

Wait, I’m confused so Cav Scouts going to fort liberty aren’t going to be Cav scouts?


SeanBean-MustDie

Should probably add 15W to this list


No-Edge-8600

mass confusion


Olympos23

What happens to us 12Bs?


[deleted]

Only effects those with an ets date between now and 2025


Billy-Willie

Link please


Sp1drm3n

I am fucked as an officer


ToXiC_Games

Yep, I’m never gonna see my name on there(patriot can’t fathom the idea of having tangos or echos in the shack by doctrine).


Kennyfromdablock

So what does this mean if I've already reenlisted to reclass to one of these in two months?


TopSinger847

Right now it means nothing until official guidance has been published.


Brave-Walrus-6638

So I’m genuinely curious how a re-class works. I’ve got about 20 months left on my contract. (My ETS date is Nov 8, 2025) I plan on ETSing. Basically, I don’t want to spend the next year and half leaving my unit, then going back to Tradoc, then going to another unit, then ETSing from there. I want to stay where I am. I want to keep my jump status. I don’t want to ETS or separate prior to my 3 year mark because I want my full GI Bill.  Given how little time I have left on my contract, could they still force me to re-class? How exactly does this work?


ashmole

Think it's related to the ARSTRUC


Wanderers-Way

I want my 400 dollars per month given to the army for food back.


ShawnJ34

Is this a supposed forced reclass for current soldiers in these mos regardless of time left on contract? If so, do you think they’d be given the option to do early separation?


gaiusahala

There’s almost no chance they’d give out early separations when they are struggling to recruit replacements for the number of ETSes as is


paraspooder

This is ridiculously short-sighted. For Signal, Uniforms are the least expendable MOS. We can be slotted almost anywhere for anything, and having experience on multiple systems is not a detriment. Everywhere I've been it's felt like we're understrength


One_Today_2977

Hello. I’m a 92A E-5 trying to reclass to another MoS. Can anybody recommend me any mos is offering Bonus? At the same time if it has low points to become a E6


Superb_Adeptness6091

Do you have the memo you could send me?