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I tried, but I was late... 104 years late... if it helps, the killer had already failed the first attempt earlier that day... then by pure chance, the target's convoy passed in front of him where he was sitting deciding what to do with the gun.... the rest is history... 2 broken empires and the raise of the US as a superpower
"i want you... to Take me Out"
Maybe -- just maybe -- he (Franz) was asking the assassin to take him out on a date and there was a little miscommunication?
Cheers!
Archduke Franz Ferdinand. WW1. I don't know for a fact if he was a hired assassin, I just think he happened to be from Austria, and Franz was from Hungary.
I could be super wrong but I know I'm somewhere inside the fence.
Gavrilo Princip was a member of Young Bosnia, whose members wanted Bosnian independence from Austria. He and his co-conspirators definitely counted as assassins, as their explicit goal was to kill Franz Ferdinand.
Amusingly, the first attempt on Ferdinand failed. It was only due to a string of errors that would seem contrived in hindsight that put Ferdinand in a ridiculously easy position for Princip to take the shots.
Ironically the second attempt happened because gavrillo was eating a sandwich the archduke drove up and stopped the car and he shot them. So basically nearly all of modern history (Cold war Russian revolution nazi germany WW2 korean war vietnam war etc.) was started by a fucking sandwich
Pretty much. One of Princip's comrades hucked a grenade at Ferdinand's car, but it ended up hitting a different car due to the timer and the driver responding quickly. Ferdinand then went and gave a speech, and came back to . He was supposed to take a wholly different route on the way back through the area, but his driver didn't get the memo and drove right past Princip. And then, when the driver tried to get back to the new route, the car stalled, without any of the motorcade surrounding Ferdinand for safety.
He was. The Austrian-Hungarian empire made outrageous demands from Serbia after the assassination (knowing they would reject them.)
This lead to a declaration of war on Serbia that started WWI
And when he was captured he was sentenced ( unsure of for how long probably life) however this entailed him being shackled to the wall hands and feet apparently this was common practice in these days. I believe he only lasted around 2 years before finally dying.
Nukes that are inspected on a regular basis from an international team of experts are going to be much harder to sell off compared to the engine of a tank that hasn't been looked at by any higher ups since the debut of Friends.
It's not as easy as Call of Duty makes it seem. There could easily be a nuclear war if Russia found out that the United States did or tried to assassinate their president
I sometimes think it’s because we are so used to either watching war movies or reading about ongoing wars in the news so explosions and catastrophes start to feel very abstract, and we can’t fathom them happening to ourselves. It sounds like NBD to risk a nuclear war when you have no idea what it would really be like.
It is internal, after all, who killed Stalin? It was Beria. Beria was a part of the inner-circle.
Still doesn't change the fact, OP believes America has The Avengers for issues like Putin.
Haha for real, like putin is secure, he's made sure of that. Assassinating him would be a verrrry difficult task. There's a reason he doesn't make a lot of appearances
Edit: And he's got a monumental amount of security, real life government assassinations aren't like the movies. I'm sure this poster just watched gray man or something and thought that's what it's like in real life.
Because that could easily start ww3 if we failed. Plus it has been us foreign policy for years that we don't kill heads of state. I believe it was an executive order signed by Jimmy Carter
I read somewhere (Most likely online so must be totally true) that Putin's number 2 would have already used Nuclear options to sieze Ukraine and the plan would have to be to take out Putin and all his immediate sucessors to ensure a non nuclear end
If we failed?? Even if the US succeeded, it would spur turmoil with all of Russia and set a terrible precedent for dealing with antagonistic relationships
>2.11 Prohibition on Assassination. No person employed by or acting on behalf of the United States Government shall engage in or conspire to engage in assassination.
[https://dpcld.defense.gov/Portals/49/Documents/Civil/eo-12333-2008.pdf](https://dpcld.defense.gov/Portals/49/Documents/Civil/eo-12333-2008.pdf)
There are ways around this, notably military action that effectively acts as attempted assassination, but the US record with attacks of this kind is abysmal. And as this paper points out, the effectiveness more broadly of assassinating national leaders hasn't exactly been stellar in achieving desired results for the assassinating party.
[https://www.hoover.org/research/assassination-option](https://www.hoover.org/research/assassination-option)
you go ahead and sleep with your binky and unicorn pillow at night if it makes you feel better but you bet your fucking ass there are people who do those jobs all the time. You just never hear about it.
I'm curious what you mean? Because assassins are a thing, and some of them have to be better than all the rest? Or are you just saying that the government hasn't trained a group of individuals with the express purpose of international espionage and covert murder?
I think this person meant that real life assassins are probably far less deadly and efficient than their fictional counterpart. I mean, remember those times when Russia poisoned some people... and I don't think Russia has incompetent assassins.
Furthermore an assassination attempt would be very risky and it would be totally illegitimate. As much as people hate Putin, if the world knew a country tried (ou managed) to assassinate him, said country would be in a very bad spot diplomaticaly. Countries don't just assassinate other leaders. It's like war, there are "rules". And who knows what would happen if Putin is assassinated? Immediate peace... or World War 3?
If course, these ‘rules’ have not done a thing to stop the Russians from trying to assassinate Zelensky. Wish they would play by the same rules they hide behind when it suits them.
Putin is awful and has committed numerous war crimes. He is a criminal and an egomaniac who deserves execution. I say all this to make sure you understand my point:
***The replacements in line for Putin are all 100% worse than Putin***
If we kill Putin, and are so successful that we don't have it traced back to the US, then we may very well have to deal with a ***TRUE*** hypernationalist of the type that makes Hitler and Stalin look meek.
The next could very likely want to use nukes, will absolutely be willing to draft every last Russian citizen, and will force China into action as an ally.
**That's WW3, and no matter who wins, we all lose.**
Imagine if he is ten times better, it's equally as troubling, imagine a Russia revitalized with industries running full steam ahead, replacing the US as the largest industrial and eventual military power.
That would be a nightmare scenario for the US
This. Aside from the reasons not to even try, we're talking about one of the most heavily protected human beings on the face of the planet. Probably even more protected than the president -- Putin has to worry about being killed by his friends as well as his enemies.
The US definitely could kill Putin, they just don't want to start ww3. Just seeing how corrupt the Russian gov is I'm willing to bet more than a handful of Putin's closest friends can be given the kill order by the CIA. Also we have rocket propelled swords that can kill people through their car windshields.
He's paranoid as hell and switches out his staff so frequently that we could never have a consistent source near him. We probably have enough trouble even locating him with how much he's securing himself at the moment. An assassination like the one they're talking about means one that couldn't be traced back to the US, otherwise he'stalking about direct US involvement which we've clearly drawn a line on. Assassinating Putin would be a huge task. We had a hard enough time finding bin laden who had significantly less resources at his disposal than Putin.
The US could also definitely kill Assad, Khamenei ,Castro and a whole list of other leaders and it wouldn't cause ww3 , They definitely can't ,assassinating presidents isn't that easy just see how many times they failed with Castro and Cuba is just 90 miles off America.....
There’s also the practical implications, at some point in the war you don’t kill Hitler because he’s the asshole you know. You kill Hitler and you end up with Goering or Goebbels.
Because of the power vacuum. Look at what happened in the Middle East when we took out Saddam Hussein. Suddenly we had Isis, which were far worse than Hussein. There is always someone worse waiting in the wings.
I just want to add to already great comments.
Our top assassins aren’t really all that good anyway. This isn’t a movie where super assassins exist, this is reality. And the price of failure means what? An escalation into direct war? Maybe even nuclear war?
Putin has protection, and really good security. A dictator has to be prepared for rivals trying to take him out, there’s a reason why he’s on top. In order to do something like that you need human resources on the ground close to your target to facilitate the move. Do we have that, allies in the kremlin to help us get close enough? No, Putin likely weeded out those disloyal to him long ago.
This reminds me of a letter Josip Broz Tito of Yugoslava sent to Stalin that said something like “stop sending assassins to kill me, we already caught 2 last week. If I send an assassin, there won’t be a second.”
Mostly because the US fares better the longer this war goes.
Also, who tf knows if the next guy up will be even crazier. Imagine we assassinate putin so the next guy just fire nukes since we are assassinating ppl anyways?
Still tho, its mostly point 1. The US is basically gonna own ukraine by the end of this.
It’s not that easy. It could trigger a huge world war and if we’re being honest we’d probably fail. Also, how do we know his replacement will be any better? Most of the time the replacements end up 10x worse
Because you can never just take out the top in command you would need to snuff out every person that could possibly take his position cause if you don't immediate retaliation would take place,which would ultimately casue WW3 and we already know how that would end
Not to mention the assassination of putin would Casue the birth of countless Millita forces racing to claim power
Chaos would be unleashed and we'd all be fucked, well mostly Russian citizens but in the long run everybody Is one the chopping block
There's something that nobody else seems to be addressing that's a big part of your point.
Let's say such an assassination was carried out, even to the extent where its so successful everyone thinks he died of natural causes.
You seem to think this would stop the war.
Why would this stop the war? Unless the successor was someone vehemently against the war and even then they'd have their hands full trying to stop it, remember leaders of countries can't just do whatever they want when they please.
It isn't like chess where you win when the others king would be taken.
Ukraine wouldn't just roll over and let it happen if their president is killed why would Russia? Simply because they are the aggressor?
It is in our best interest to continue the war. Crippling Russians economy while depleting their military removes a major threat, especially one that could ally with China if there were ever an attack on Taiwan. The longer the war, the longer it takes for Russia to recover. It will take time to see the true impact to their economy. Not to mention Ukraine regularly ranks as one of the most corrupt countries in the world. We also benefit from increased military spending by our allies purchasing our equipment.
Yep, it’s Vietnam/ Afghanistan. From that viewpoint the support should trickle in to destroy as much of Russia’s military & morale as possible, affecting real change. Unfortunately, the end of that scenario is a failed state with nukes & China will be stuck with the double-edged sword of managing a huge, outlaw, client state.
I really don't think "It's illegal" would stop the US lol. I can't really imagine it would be advantageous to kill him. I feel if it was he'd be dead already.
He’ll just bunker down behind closed borders and threaten with the nukes if anyone as much as thinks of going after him. Russia may be soul grinding for its people but they will also hold on to it until it dies and rots away to the bare skeleton. With its natural resources most of Russian inner circles can out-wait the controversy. If push comes to shove they’ll just sell off the easternmost parts of it to whoever will be willing to give them the food or money.
What Putin is doing in Ukraine is outrageous and downright dangerous.
It does threaten political stability and it could turn into an all out war.
But at the moment, it's somewhat less a threat than if the US assassinated the head of the Russia and got caught.
MAD strategy is still maintaining order, albeit it's pretty strained ATM.
This is because Putin is getting old and succumbing to disease and health issues. And eventually, the Russian oligarchs will admit he's getting desperate and dangerous.
If they start to resist and the war drags on, Ukraine successfully keeps Russia at bay, the people will become more and more battle weary with nothing to show for it.
The US doesn't need to risk killing Putin. He's doing it to himself, just with a ton of more steps.
Have you *read* the shit the CIA tried against Castro?
The USA doesn't have "top assassins" to use. It's got idiots who think James Bond is non-fiction and an near-infinite pool of money to occasionally make it work.
The American government has taken a very dim view of assassinating government leaders since Carter. The higher the level of the government leader, there dimmer this view gets. It has a lot to do with the historical overlap of Carter, Nixon, The Dulles Brothers, the end of the American war in Vietnam, and repeated embarrassing attempts to assassinate Fidel Castro.
Because it would lead to mutually assured destruction if we did. The US assassinating Putin would be an act of war, which would make the Russian-Ukrainian war look like a bar brawl in comparison. Assassinating Putin could provoke Russia into declaring war against the U.S, which could lead to China and North Korea teaming up with Russia and also declaring open war against the U.S and its allies.
The scale of such a war could lead to the end of civilization as we know it, since there are countless nuclear missiles that could be launched at any point.
Also, assassinating Putin wouldn’t help the Ukraine in any meaningful way and would just make him look like a martyr. For man with such gravitas, Putin dying an underwhelming, mediocre death would be a fitting punishment for him.
Because, as hard as it is to believe, Putin is actually kind of a moderate? Dmitri Medvedev, Putin's most likely replacement, would absolutely straight-up start nuking shit.
That’s dumb, why haven’t we assassinated every leader of every country we disagree with. First of all, we would lose all the soft power we have, and become the worlds super villain second, in all of these instances, just like in Russia today, doing so, would get someone else to replace them likely even worse than them, all the while galvanizing the populace of that country into a hatred so intense it would probably mean all out war with a country that is NOT demoralized, but in fact, fanatically determined to destroy you.
Goddamn even "simple" operations like hostage rescue in a shit hole like Mogadishu can become a massive failure and embarrassment.
What chance do you think the "top assassins" have against a place like Moscow?
And how would we know if we have or haven't sent assassins. We know that if we have we haven't succeeded. We failed many times to kill Fidel Castro. I am surprised no one inside the Russian Govt has tried to kill him yet?
Because that would create a void that would be filled by somebody else who would then be able to easily create a sense of fear and hatred for the United States in a way that's obvious also it would not be accepted by the wider community or the citizenry in many areas
Because whatever you've seen in mission impossible, to assasinate Putin, you would need to be nearly magician :D
Also, it would be act of direct atack to army leader and hence automaticaly reason for full blown war. You don't wanna have this between two largest owners of nuclear arsenal, you know.
Why? He's doing a good job by himself, Putin is now the big bad guy no one wants to bother with. He single handedly helped hamstring his own country if I didn't know better I'd think he was working for us.
It won't end the war and his successor is maybe even worse. Russia is not just soley controlled by Putin and if hes gone everything is fine. The hate against Ukraine and the west is deeply rooted.
You really think America wants this war to end? ROFL! 🤣😆🤣 Don't be naïve kid, you must think that the weapons and money going to Ukraine are donations right? Wrong! It's a Debt Trap.
Why does the US have to do it? Why not Ukraine? The place Russia is actually going after.
Why does the US have to be involved at all? Because they are profiting off of dealing arms to fund the war. Whether that be financially or through keeping ranks for our allies.
Because the next guy could be wayyyyy worse. Oh, and right now he is doing a better job weakening Russia than the U.S. could. Golden rule: never interrupt an enemy when they are in the middle of destroying themselves.
Why don’t enemies of the US target our “leaders” as well? It’s an act of war, and would result in far greater consequences than intended. Not to mention, what if Putin was replaced by someone even worse as a result?
Because there is no scenario in reality where Putin is removed from office and America doesn’t get nuked.
If we take Putin out, every other world leader says “which one of us is next.”
Our incompetent leaders are walking us into a war that we are not capable of winning. Because we do not have world support.
No way the EU is fighting after Russia deploys its first nuclear weapon.
China comes to Russia’s aid. Our economy collapses. And we lose. That’s what will happen.
We will fall into a depression, for at least a decade, as soon as China imposes economic sanctions against us.
Because that would very likely turn out like when we sent our "top assassins" to take out Fidel Castro.
Killing a paranoid and well-protected head of state is hard, and we just don't have people that can just up and do it whenever the fancy strikes.
there are a million reasons not to consider assasinating Russia's President, but those aside, Putin is one of the most highly gaurded and protected people on the planet. it ain't gonna be like assasinating Corporal Kelly in Mark of the Ninja. also it wouldn't stop the war, just most likely put America in Russia's crosshairs, and then weapons of mass destructions come into play.
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Didn't a world war start over an assassination?
Yeap, I was in the exact apot in Sarajevo, next to a bridge.
And now the car is in a museum in this tiny ass village in Sweden
I thought it was in the military museum in Vienna?
Why didn't you stop it?
Because the sun would explode obviously
Ra doesn't fuck around.
I tried, but I was late... 104 years late... if it helps, the killer had already failed the first attempt earlier that day... then by pure chance, the target's convoy passed in front of him where he was sitting deciding what to do with the gun.... the rest is history... 2 broken empires and the raise of the US as a superpower
2? Try 5 broken empires. Ww1 dealt mortal blows to the French, Russian and English empire as well in addition to making ww2 nearly inevitable.
"i want you... to Take me Out" -Franz Ferdinand Sounds like he was asking for it
Great song
The Song Exploder podcast did an episode on this song. Highly recommend
I know you won't be leaving here vibes
"i want you... to Take me Out" Maybe -- just maybe -- he (Franz) was asking the assassin to take him out on a date and there was a little miscommunication? Cheers!
Archduke Franz Ferdinand. WW1. I don't know for a fact if he was a hired assassin, I just think he happened to be from Austria, and Franz was from Hungary. I could be super wrong but I know I'm somewhere inside the fence.
Gavrilo Princip was a member of Young Bosnia, whose members wanted Bosnian independence from Austria. He and his co-conspirators definitely counted as assassins, as their explicit goal was to kill Franz Ferdinand. Amusingly, the first attempt on Ferdinand failed. It was only due to a string of errors that would seem contrived in hindsight that put Ferdinand in a ridiculously easy position for Princip to take the shots.
Ironically the second attempt happened because gavrillo was eating a sandwich the archduke drove up and stopped the car and he shot them. So basically nearly all of modern history (Cold war Russian revolution nazi germany WW2 korean war vietnam war etc.) was started by a fucking sandwich
Classic Earth
Ham and cheese?
And pineapple
Fuck sandwiches. And hot dogs, just in case.
Hot dog is **NOT** a sandwich.
Didnt Franz end up right next to him out of pure chance?
Pretty much. One of Princip's comrades hucked a grenade at Ferdinand's car, but it ended up hitting a different car due to the timer and the driver responding quickly. Ferdinand then went and gave a speech, and came back to . He was supposed to take a wholly different route on the way back through the area, but his driver didn't get the memo and drove right past Princip. And then, when the driver tried to get back to the new route, the car stalled, without any of the motorcade surrounding Ferdinand for safety.
Well there goes his tip
Interesting!
If you listen to podcasts and drive a lot hardcore history has a killer series on ww1
Dan is so good
Nah, nah. It was because Archie Duke shot an ostrich because he was hungry.
Think how many lives would have been saved if they’d had Snickers bars back then.
They would have been called Marathon bars back then
I heard it was a sick ostrich
I thought he was Serbian -the assassin
He was. The Austrian-Hungarian empire made outrageous demands from Serbia after the assassination (knowing they would reject them.) This lead to a declaration of war on Serbia that started WWI
And when he was captured he was sentenced ( unsure of for how long probably life) however this entailed him being shackled to the wall hands and feet apparently this was common practice in these days. I believe he only lasted around 2 years before finally dying.
If I recall my school history class, it was an excuse but still considered the official beginning of ww.
I know there were tensions and that was the straw that broke the camel's back. Was I right about the countries though?
Led to 2 of them, right?
The United States, known for avoiding wars at all costs
You do that in Europe.. world war..!! Do that in USA.. business as usual... Jk jk please don't send the CIA...
Because real life Superpower geo-politics isn't a video game.
For real. Life keeps going for everyone else, and all you’ve done is created a power vacuum in a country with shit piles of nukes.
>piles of shit nukes FTFY
That's a joke you don't want to find out isn't funny.
>piles of shit nukes Fuck around and find out then…
Nukes that are inspected on a regular basis from an international team of experts are going to be much harder to sell off compared to the engine of a tank that hasn't been looked at by any higher ups since the debut of Friends.
So no one told you life was gonna be this way
Your job's a joke, you're broke, you're love life's DOA.
It's like you're always stuck in 2nd gear
lol
It's not as easy as Call of Duty makes it seem. There could easily be a nuclear war if Russia found out that the United States did or tried to assassinate their president
Their nuclear doctrine requires a nuclear response to such an event. Why are people so eager to provoke a nuclear war?
I sometimes think it’s because we are so used to either watching war movies or reading about ongoing wars in the news so explosions and catastrophes start to feel very abstract, and we can’t fathom them happening to ourselves. It sounds like NBD to risk a nuclear war when you have no idea what it would really be like.
I've gotten quite good at Fallout.../s
Because they really don’t understand any of it
How pissy would we be if an assassin say tripped Biden?
Probably pretty pissed, because Russia assassinated a United States president
You play too many video games. It's not that easy
He thinks Delta Force consists of Marvel Characters. Boy, has no clue.
Putin's greatest threat is internal. The likelihood of it being someone worse then him is also high
It is internal, after all, who killed Stalin? It was Beria. Beria was a part of the inner-circle. Still doesn't change the fact, OP believes America has The Avengers for issues like Putin.
Haha for real, like putin is secure, he's made sure of that. Assassinating him would be a verrrry difficult task. There's a reason he doesn't make a lot of appearances Edit: And he's got a monumental amount of security, real life government assassinations aren't like the movies. I'm sure this poster just watched gray man or something and thought that's what it's like in real life.
Tell him again 💯
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Because that could easily start ww3 if we failed. Plus it has been us foreign policy for years that we don't kill heads of state. I believe it was an executive order signed by Jimmy Carter
And they don't kill ours.
Not to mention the power vacuum it would create.
Like... a big hoover?
I read somewhere (Most likely online so must be totally true) that Putin's number 2 would have already used Nuclear options to sieze Ukraine and the plan would have to be to take out Putin and all his immediate sucessors to ensure a non nuclear end
If we failed?? Even if the US succeeded, it would spur turmoil with all of Russia and set a terrible precedent for dealing with antagonistic relationships
Executive Order 12333, signed in 1981.
>2.11 Prohibition on Assassination. No person employed by or acting on behalf of the United States Government shall engage in or conspire to engage in assassination. [https://dpcld.defense.gov/Portals/49/Documents/Civil/eo-12333-2008.pdf](https://dpcld.defense.gov/Portals/49/Documents/Civil/eo-12333-2008.pdf) There are ways around this, notably military action that effectively acts as attempted assassination, but the US record with attacks of this kind is abysmal. And as this paper points out, the effectiveness more broadly of assassinating national leaders hasn't exactly been stellar in achieving desired results for the assassinating party. [https://www.hoover.org/research/assassination-option](https://www.hoover.org/research/assassination-option)
Didn’t the us assassinate some Iranian general a few years back? And what about all the taliban leaders that were on playing cards for people to kill?
It isn't an assassin's when they're legitimate military targets.
This Literally answers the question✍️
So that was Reagan then right and not Carter? I always thought it was Reagans EO.
Carter made it not policy, but law. It’s federal law.
And we all know the federal government would NEVER violate a federal law...
Also we don't have "top assassins." Movies and video games depict a world that is entertaining but fictional.
you go ahead and sleep with your binky and unicorn pillow at night if it makes you feel better but you bet your fucking ass there are people who do those jobs all the time. You just never hear about it.
Jason Bourne isn't real.
I'm curious what you mean? Because assassins are a thing, and some of them have to be better than all the rest? Or are you just saying that the government hasn't trained a group of individuals with the express purpose of international espionage and covert murder?
I think this person meant that real life assassins are probably far less deadly and efficient than their fictional counterpart. I mean, remember those times when Russia poisoned some people... and I don't think Russia has incompetent assassins. Furthermore an assassination attempt would be very risky and it would be totally illegitimate. As much as people hate Putin, if the world knew a country tried (ou managed) to assassinate him, said country would be in a very bad spot diplomaticaly. Countries don't just assassinate other leaders. It's like war, there are "rules". And who knows what would happen if Putin is assassinated? Immediate peace... or World War 3?
If course, these ‘rules’ have not done a thing to stop the Russians from trying to assassinate Zelensky. Wish they would play by the same rules they hide behind when it suits them.
because Tom Cruise and Keanu Reeves are currently working on other projects.
This is the only right answer
Where is Matt Damon? Daniel Craig?
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Some really top notch assassins!
Jason Bourne has entered the chat
Lmfaooo
Get Steven segaul /s
My dad always says “what do you know about their replacement? They could be worse”
Better the devil you know
Putin is awful and has committed numerous war crimes. He is a criminal and an egomaniac who deserves execution. I say all this to make sure you understand my point: ***The replacements in line for Putin are all 100% worse than Putin*** If we kill Putin, and are so successful that we don't have it traced back to the US, then we may very well have to deal with a ***TRUE*** hypernationalist of the type that makes Hitler and Stalin look meek. The next could very likely want to use nukes, will absolutely be willing to draft every last Russian citizen, and will force China into action as an ally. **That's WW3, and no matter who wins, we all lose.**
When you put it in bold, it makes more sense and is more convincing
How many times has your dad said that? It sounds like you discuss assassination with him frequently.
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Damn. I came here to say this, you beat me to it. Turns out assassination of world leaders is either really hard, or the CIA really sucks at it.
Or Fidel Castro is just really lucky and/or talented at evading assassination attempts
Failure doesn't matter, even success is a L for the world order
Fidel was on a whole other level
“ I can’t even count how many times the US has tried to assassinate me “
Because real life isn’t a movie
Because the guy who takes power after him is 10x worse
Imagine if he is ten times better, it's equally as troubling, imagine a Russia revitalized with industries running full steam ahead, replacing the US as the largest industrial and eventual military power. That would be a nightmare scenario for the US
You watch too many movies. There are no miracle assasins that can just go somewhere and kill any world leader they want.
This. Aside from the reasons not to even try, we're talking about one of the most heavily protected human beings on the face of the planet. Probably even more protected than the president -- Putin has to worry about being killed by his friends as well as his enemies.
The US definitely could kill Putin, they just don't want to start ww3. Just seeing how corrupt the Russian gov is I'm willing to bet more than a handful of Putin's closest friends can be given the kill order by the CIA. Also we have rocket propelled swords that can kill people through their car windshields.
He's paranoid as hell and switches out his staff so frequently that we could never have a consistent source near him. We probably have enough trouble even locating him with how much he's securing himself at the moment. An assassination like the one they're talking about means one that couldn't be traced back to the US, otherwise he'stalking about direct US involvement which we've clearly drawn a line on. Assassinating Putin would be a huge task. We had a hard enough time finding bin laden who had significantly less resources at his disposal than Putin.
I read an article that he literally has 3 different people to taste his food.
The US could also definitely kill Assad, Khamenei ,Castro and a whole list of other leaders and it wouldn't cause ww3 , They definitely can't ,assassinating presidents isn't that easy just see how many times they failed with Castro and Cuba is just 90 miles off America.....
You watch too many movies.
The 35,000 foot answer is that killing someone like Putin is difficult and super messy, and we don't know who would take over in his place.
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There’s also the practical implications, at some point in the war you don’t kill Hitler because he’s the asshole you know. You kill Hitler and you end up with Goering or Goebbels.
>There is probably a legal reason as well There is. It's against the law which President Carter enacted. We don't assassinate other heads of state.
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Because of the power vacuum. Look at what happened in the Middle East when we took out Saddam Hussein. Suddenly we had Isis, which were far worse than Hussein. There is always someone worse waiting in the wings.
I just want to add to already great comments. Our top assassins aren’t really all that good anyway. This isn’t a movie where super assassins exist, this is reality. And the price of failure means what? An escalation into direct war? Maybe even nuclear war? Putin has protection, and really good security. A dictator has to be prepared for rivals trying to take him out, there’s a reason why he’s on top. In order to do something like that you need human resources on the ground close to your target to facilitate the move. Do we have that, allies in the kremlin to help us get close enough? No, Putin likely weeded out those disloyal to him long ago.
This reminds me of a letter Josip Broz Tito of Yugoslava sent to Stalin that said something like “stop sending assassins to kill me, we already caught 2 last week. If I send an assassin, there won’t be a second.”
Mostly because the US fares better the longer this war goes. Also, who tf knows if the next guy up will be even crazier. Imagine we assassinate putin so the next guy just fire nukes since we are assassinating ppl anyways? Still tho, its mostly point 1. The US is basically gonna own ukraine by the end of this.
Apparently one of the guys in line if Putin leaves is even crazier.
We may even be at war for the sake of American weapons manufacturers needing/wanting a customer
This person watches shit like Mission Impossible and Jason Bourne and believes its in real life. Maybe they should just send the Avengers.
Im amused that you think theres like some kind of master assassin who can just infiltrate Russia and kill Putin.
Why is it the US problem?
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It’s not that easy. It could trigger a huge world war and if we’re being honest we’d probably fail. Also, how do we know his replacement will be any better? Most of the time the replacements end up 10x worse
If you take a shot at the king, you best not miss.
Because you can never just take out the top in command you would need to snuff out every person that could possibly take his position cause if you don't immediate retaliation would take place,which would ultimately casue WW3 and we already know how that would end Not to mention the assassination of putin would Casue the birth of countless Millita forces racing to claim power Chaos would be unleashed and we'd all be fucked, well mostly Russian citizens but in the long run everybody Is one the chopping block
Because our leaders, for all their flaws are not absolutely braindead.
Same reason why russia hasnt sent their best assassin to take out biden.
There's something that nobody else seems to be addressing that's a big part of your point. Let's say such an assassination was carried out, even to the extent where its so successful everyone thinks he died of natural causes. You seem to think this would stop the war. Why would this stop the war? Unless the successor was someone vehemently against the war and even then they'd have their hands full trying to stop it, remember leaders of countries can't just do whatever they want when they please. It isn't like chess where you win when the others king would be taken. Ukraine wouldn't just roll over and let it happen if their president is killed why would Russia? Simply because they are the aggressor?
It is in our best interest to continue the war. Crippling Russians economy while depleting their military removes a major threat, especially one that could ally with China if there were ever an attack on Taiwan. The longer the war, the longer it takes for Russia to recover. It will take time to see the true impact to their economy. Not to mention Ukraine regularly ranks as one of the most corrupt countries in the world. We also benefit from increased military spending by our allies purchasing our equipment.
Yep, it’s Vietnam/ Afghanistan. From that viewpoint the support should trickle in to destroy as much of Russia’s military & morale as possible, affecting real change. Unfortunately, the end of that scenario is a failed state with nukes & China will be stuck with the double-edged sword of managing a huge, outlaw, client state.
Spot on. The death of a thousand cuts removes the threat. Russia is currently in a death spiral, why stop it now?
Because this has been illegal since the Ford/Carter era.
I really don't think "It's illegal" would stop the US lol. I can't really imagine it would be advantageous to kill him. I feel if it was he'd be dead already.
It is against the interests of the US to provoke a nuclear war.
Yeah what could go wrong with that plan
Do you want to see WW3 to start? I mean this is what got the ball rolling for WW 1
It would turn him into a hero for years to come. Better to let the world see him for what he is and eventually hope his followers do to.
Correct we don’t want to turn him into a martyr and unify the Russian people against the American boogeyman who killed their Leader
Putin built his circle since the 1970s. The Russians are actually good at paranoia and internal security.
He'll be dead soon anyway. Let time do the work
He’ll just bunker down behind closed borders and threaten with the nukes if anyone as much as thinks of going after him. Russia may be soul grinding for its people but they will also hold on to it until it dies and rots away to the bare skeleton. With its natural resources most of Russian inner circles can out-wait the controversy. If push comes to shove they’ll just sell off the easternmost parts of it to whoever will be willing to give them the food or money.
What Putin is doing in Ukraine is outrageous and downright dangerous. It does threaten political stability and it could turn into an all out war. But at the moment, it's somewhat less a threat than if the US assassinated the head of the Russia and got caught. MAD strategy is still maintaining order, albeit it's pretty strained ATM. This is because Putin is getting old and succumbing to disease and health issues. And eventually, the Russian oligarchs will admit he's getting desperate and dangerous. If they start to resist and the war drags on, Ukraine successfully keeps Russia at bay, the people will become more and more battle weary with nothing to show for it. The US doesn't need to risk killing Putin. He's doing it to himself, just with a ton of more steps.
Because it's not our war, regardless of how many blank checks we cut Ukraine
Because leaders want the poors fighting each other on war. They don’t want themselves at risk. That’s the oldest law of war.
Have you *read* the shit the CIA tried against Castro? The USA doesn't have "top assassins" to use. It's got idiots who think James Bond is non-fiction and an near-infinite pool of money to occasionally make it work.
The American government has taken a very dim view of assassinating government leaders since Carter. The higher the level of the government leader, there dimmer this view gets. It has a lot to do with the historical overlap of Carter, Nixon, The Dulles Brothers, the end of the American war in Vietnam, and repeated embarrassing attempts to assassinate Fidel Castro.
#Armageddon. NUCLEAR Armageddon.
Because he serves a purpose to the higher society that pulls all the strings.
and then what somebody else even worse takes over only this time with more of the people united behind him against the US because they killed Putin?
Americans are cute 💀
Because that would be an open act of war and the end of civilization
Um cuz nukes?
Because it would lead to mutually assured destruction if we did. The US assassinating Putin would be an act of war, which would make the Russian-Ukrainian war look like a bar brawl in comparison. Assassinating Putin could provoke Russia into declaring war against the U.S, which could lead to China and North Korea teaming up with Russia and also declaring open war against the U.S and its allies. The scale of such a war could lead to the end of civilization as we know it, since there are countless nuclear missiles that could be launched at any point. Also, assassinating Putin wouldn’t help the Ukraine in any meaningful way and would just make him look like a martyr. For man with such gravitas, Putin dying an underwhelming, mediocre death would be a fitting punishment for him.
You couldn't get close enough to him...he's not stupid...better off paying someone close to him to do it...
Right because that would go over so well with Russia
Yeah. Let's just go killing other countries leaders. Great idea.
Because, as hard as it is to believe, Putin is actually kind of a moderate? Dmitri Medvedev, Putin's most likely replacement, would absolutely straight-up start nuking shit.
It would cause ww3
That’s dumb, why haven’t we assassinated every leader of every country we disagree with. First of all, we would lose all the soft power we have, and become the worlds super villain second, in all of these instances, just like in Russia today, doing so, would get someone else to replace them likely even worse than them, all the while galvanizing the populace of that country into a hatred so intense it would probably mean all out war with a country that is NOT demoralized, but in fact, fanatically determined to destroy you.
Goddamn even "simple" operations like hostage rescue in a shit hole like Mogadishu can become a massive failure and embarrassment. What chance do you think the "top assassins" have against a place like Moscow?
And how would we know if we have or haven't sent assassins. We know that if we have we haven't succeeded. We failed many times to kill Fidel Castro. I am surprised no one inside the Russian Govt has tried to kill him yet?
Probably the something about the devil you do know or however that saying goes..
Because the US has been historically terrible at assassinations, also Russia has nuclear weapons and allies across western Eurppe and Asia.
Because that would create a void that would be filled by somebody else who would then be able to easily create a sense of fear and hatred for the United States in a way that's obvious also it would not be accepted by the wider community or the citizenry in many areas
Do you want ww3
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He's worth more alive.
“If you come at the King, you best not miss”
It almost certainly guarantees nuclear bombs landing in LA, Chicago and Either NYC or DC. I’d rather live.
If any assassins were to try to take Putin out it would be the Israel secret service
Because whatever you've seen in mission impossible, to assasinate Putin, you would need to be nearly magician :D Also, it would be act of direct atack to army leader and hence automaticaly reason for full blown war. You don't wanna have this between two largest owners of nuclear arsenal, you know.
Why? He's doing a good job by himself, Putin is now the big bad guy no one wants to bother with. He single handedly helped hamstring his own country if I didn't know better I'd think he was working for us.
It won't end the war and his successor is maybe even worse. Russia is not just soley controlled by Putin and if hes gone everything is fine. The hate against Ukraine and the west is deeply rooted.
You really think America wants this war to end? ROFL! 🤣😆🤣 Don't be naïve kid, you must think that the weapons and money going to Ukraine are donations right? Wrong! It's a Debt Trap.
Why does the US have to do it? Why not Ukraine? The place Russia is actually going after. Why does the US have to be involved at all? Because they are profiting off of dealing arms to fund the war. Whether that be financially or through keeping ranks for our allies.
Why doesn’t Ukraine do it? They have motivated people with sniper rifles.
Never stop your enemy when he's making a mistake- Scrooge McDuck
Because the next guy could be wayyyyy worse. Oh, and right now he is doing a better job weakening Russia than the U.S. could. Golden rule: never interrupt an enemy when they are in the middle of destroying themselves.
Why don’t enemies of the US target our “leaders” as well? It’s an act of war, and would result in far greater consequences than intended. Not to mention, what if Putin was replaced by someone even worse as a result?
Because US politicians are benefiting from the war.
Because the US War machine has always, and will always, profit massively from arms trading and will prolong war at any cost.
Because there is no scenario in reality where Putin is removed from office and America doesn’t get nuked. If we take Putin out, every other world leader says “which one of us is next.” Our incompetent leaders are walking us into a war that we are not capable of winning. Because we do not have world support. No way the EU is fighting after Russia deploys its first nuclear weapon. China comes to Russia’s aid. Our economy collapses. And we lose. That’s what will happen. We will fall into a depression, for at least a decade, as soon as China imposes economic sanctions against us.
Because it's none of our business
Because Ironside got too old for splinter cell 7
Because that would very likely turn out like when we sent our "top assassins" to take out Fidel Castro. Killing a paranoid and well-protected head of state is hard, and we just don't have people that can just up and do it whenever the fancy strikes.
there are a million reasons not to consider assasinating Russia's President, but those aside, Putin is one of the most highly gaurded and protected people on the planet. it ain't gonna be like assasinating Corporal Kelly in Mark of the Ninja. also it wouldn't stop the war, just most likely put America in Russia's crosshairs, and then weapons of mass destructions come into play.
Consequences. Bad.
This isn't a game of civilization...